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AFirst of all, for reasons of organization the office staffs and the RUS leaders were under the Main Office Chiefs. This system of subordination, which was originating in the time of Pancke, did not undergo any changes at all during Hildebrandt's or Hofmann's period of activity. For the rest, the offices always had kep... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 883,350 | 883,850 |
istuation as of the 1st of March 1943," and I ask that the Tribunal permit me to reserve Exhibit No. 2 for this document. And the third and last document I am handing to the witness is a plan headed "Organizational Plan of the RuSHA, situation as of the 1st of August, 1944," and I ask that the Tribunal reserve Exhibit ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 883,800 | 884,300 |
did not want to do so. Q.That you didn't have the possibility to do so is quite clear to me on the strength of your position as staff leader, but why do you stress that you did not even want to take an influence? A.There is a personal reason for that. The chief of the Racial Office was SS Standartenfuehrer Prof. Dr. Sc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 884,250 | 884,750 |
the Defendant Schwalm) QWitness before the recess you spoke about your activity in Berlin as staff leader in RuSHA. You also gave the circumstances which limited your activity there. Can you give us some additional circumstances which restricted your activity? AWell, there was not as much a limitation of my activity bu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 884,700 | 885,200 |
know that up to the spring of 1945 he personally concerned himself with the approval or disapproval of requests for marriage. We didn't understand why this was done, but perhaps it can be explained by the testimony which the witness Hofmann made here yesterday. QWere these considerations to make a request for the disso... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 885,150 | 885,650 |
do with the restrictive regulations. I want to remind you here of the decrees which were issued by the Main Staff Office and VOMI in 1941 and 1942; here we were dealing with a very old dispute which already had been underway in 1940 and 1941 when I was still in Lodz. I want to testify now that I participated in this co... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 885,600 | 886,100 |
there is also another reason and that is that the decrees from the Reich Security Main Office which above all referred to Point 12 of the Indictment, the abortions on eastern workers had not even been issued yet at the time when I was at Lodz. The decrees about illicit sexual intercourse of eastern workers, Poles, Czec... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 886,050 | 886,550 |
racial office tell me anything about it. with regard to Point 12 of the indictment, abortions on eastern workers, I only heard from the documents submitted here that Conti instigated the entire matter. On the 4th of March, 1943, Conti issued an order to that effect, and Conti was the highest health official of the Reic... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 886,500 | 887,000 |
had atthe time, and which I still hold today, there were three possibilities for expansion of Bolshevism. First of all, there was the possibility of utilizing propaganda by word, in literature, and by films. Secondly, the political way of armed conflict, and we were situated in this armed conflict. Thirdly, for me, as ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 886,950 | 887,450 |
any expenses arising out of printing errors. I would like to tell this Tribunal why I made this survey. As I have just stated, for the most part these documents were new to me. I looked through them here, and I must say that in the first weeks after the documents were distributed, there was quite a bit of time before t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 887,400 | 887,900 |
Flame, Dutchman or Wallonese. In any case, he had to be a Northwestern European. All other cases were not to be reported at all to the Race and Settlement Leader, but the Reich Health Office was to decide about these cases alone and independently. The situation was such that only a fraction of all cases which occurred ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 887,850 | 888,350 |
What did you understand in this connection by the term "special treatment"? A.The terms "Special treatment" meant the fact that in the case of an Eastern worker, a Pole, or in case of a Czech, who became liable for punishment because they had violated the prohibition of sexual intercourse with a German woman, and that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 888,300 | 888,800 |
A.I already refuted it before, and I want to refute it once again, I didn't carry out any examination in these cases. Before 1 October 1941, I didn't have any reason, and opportunity to do it, and from 1 March, 1943, I carried out another function. Q.Did you hear anything about these examinations? A.I heard so little a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 888,750 | 889,250 |
make his own decision then. Whenever the files were returned, I never saw them either. However, I know from the measures which were taken, that the person about whom it was said, that this man represented the average population, and that he could be considered eligible for Germanization, and that this man would receive... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 889,200 | 889,700 |
can reasonably be discovered in the course of an anthropological opinion. This can be discovered very easily. All these characteristics which do not have to be measured on a scale, but they can be described. The anthropologist certain would not do this without driving the width and length of the face in order to ascert... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 889,650 | 890,150 |
was done in collaboration with the Reich Security Main Office. As far as you know, did the Geneologic Chart Office have anything at all to do with these things? A.No, the Geneologic Chart Office did not occupy itself with that activity, neither in the Reich nor outside of the Reich. Q.If the Geneologic Chart Office did... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 890,100 | 890,600 |
have ancestors who were of pure German blood. If he had ancestors who sooner or later became Christians, after having been heathens, these cards were placed in a special file. When these cards had accumulated as a result of this work, there was established an index file with regard to half-Jews and people with partly J... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 890,550 | 891,050 |
all SS officers proof had to be found back until the year 1750; and whenever possible the ancestry was to be determined even beyond that. Q.Were similar attempts already made prior to the year 1933? A.Yes, quite. The question of genealogy research is not a political nor a party question; for example, since 1790 there e... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 891,000 | 891,500 |
in a decentralized manner genealogical societies had been established in Germany; several of them were very well known; a very well known one was the Eagle Society, which existed in Vienna. Another society was the Deutsche Ahnengemeinchaft, the German Genealogical Society, in Dredsen. These societies were established o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 891,450 | 891,950 |
destroyed for the most part, it is actually the only library which has remained of that nature. Beyond that, this library contained a unique collection, a collection of all documents pertaining to the Hugenotts which had been traced. These documents of the Hugenotts had been turned over from the University Library at L... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 891,900 | 892,400 |
one can say and I stated yesterday already that perhaps at the most we only had collected one hundred thousand charts there. Naturally the percentage of the appearing of Jewish ancestors was less large as far as the SS members were concerned than it was in general because whoever knew that he was not strictly of German... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 892,350 | 892,850 |
and the term eugenics office was after 1942 not only used in the terminology of RuSHA. Q.In Berlin Unter Den Linden opposite the Hotel Bristol was there an agency of RuSHA or was the eugenics office of the SS located there? A.No, RuSHA did not have an agency at Unter Den Linden either. RuSHA had its main office at Berl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 892,800 | 893,300 |
truck. He had to furnish some reasons for that. He sent one Obersturmfuehrer Neumann-Reppert to the Netherlands at the time, and that was at the time when the invasion armies had already penetrated into the Netherlands, because this letter dates back to September 1944. I assume that the following took place: Osiander h... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 893,250 | 893,750 |
activity I had nothing to do with VOMI. QI an now going to hand you the basic information sheet which has been submitted by the Prosecution, and I ask you to look at the chart which is contained therein. Is this chart correct? AI would like to restrict my testimony to the fourth main department from the left, and that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 893,700 | 894,200 |
a result of the war, this office was not established. Consequently, it only existed as far as the plan of the Reichsfuehrer was concerned, which dated back to the year 1942. Then comes the Main Welfare Office, Tills is listed correctly here, but only as far as the year 1943 is concerned, because in the year 1944 this o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 894,150 | 894,650 |
respect, and then he discusses the matter in somewhat more detail by stating that the members who attended the meeting had the opportunity to not only look at the organization of the ghetto and its war effort in connection with industries, but they were also able to make studies with regard to the racial differences, a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 894,600 | 895,100 |
for an anthropologist to watch this phenomenon. This film was understandable to us because the text was in Yiddish, and Jewish dialect, after all, can be understood quite easily by a German. I knew that this film had to be kept somewhere in the Training Office and, since it was interesting to us, I wanted to have copie... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 895,050 | 895,550 |
Ministry of the Interior. Then come the file notes, "S-3", "A-5", and so on. From this it becomes evident that this decree must have originated with the Reich Security Main Office. This decree was classified as "secret", and that was done for the reason that we probably received it in that classification as being secre... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 895,500 | 896,000 |
to establish a healthy average which was capable of achieving results. However, I know the tern "Master Race" from another connection, and as far as I could ascertain so far, this is the first time that the word appeared. I know it from the book by Madison Grant, "The Passing of the Great Race", which appeared for the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 895,950 | 896,450 |
from my rank until the outbreak of the war. For the position which was provided for in the budget, I was paid until the time of the Capitulation. Therefore I never changed my status. I was promoted in the year 1936 to Sturmbannfuehrer, and in the year 1943 I was appointed Obersturmbannfuehrer, as I have already testifi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 896,400 | 896,900 |
Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath) Proceed with the examination. CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. SCHWARZ: (Attorney for the Defendant Hofmann) QWe are talking about Prosecution Exhibit774which has been submitted subsequently. Will you pl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 896,850 | 897,350 |
have been the Reich Eugenics Office or the Reich Office for Eugenic Research. In the second place, I am telling you that this morning a witness testified that the Eugenics Office of the SS did not have their office located in Unter Den Linden but in the Hedemannstrasse at Berlin. Do you admit that you could have made a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 897,300 | 897,800 |
was well-known for it was published in all agencies. QWitness, what happened to you after the capitulation? AAfter the capitulation, on 1st June, 1945, I submitted voluntarily to the British occupation power. I had two reasons for doing that. I had the opinion and I was convinced that I had nothing to hide, and in the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 897,750 | 898,250 |
for me to make myself available to the trials here at Nurnberg. QFrom Nuernberg were you transferred back into a British camp? AHere in Nuernberg, I testified before the Commission of the IMT; that was on 1st July, 1946, and after this interrogation I came back to Neuengamme. QHow did you come to Nuernberg now? AIn Apr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 898,200 | 898,700 |
interrogators that I could not testify to more than I knew. QWhat further happened to you? AI was first put into solitary confinement, but this state changed pretty soon, After about four weeks I suddenly was called again and the transcript was submitted to me for certification. QWas the transcript formulated in your o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 898,650 | 899,150 |
PRESIDENT:All right. BY JUDGE O'CONNELL: Q.Mr. Witness, I have a few questions to ask. You have just made a statement that certain threats were made, and you quoted a statement made by attorney Schwenk. What was the date of that conversation? A.The date of this interrogation--that was my second interrogation, and I was... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 899,100 | 899,600 |
not know at that time, I would have clarified the matter. I could only assume that, and that is why I insisted that the verb-assume" be used in the transcript. Q.You remember the document, Exhibit 439? That is a report on an examination of Dr. Ebner, which he made, during his visit in Angenzell, report concerning Rouma... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 899,550 | 900,050 |
correct. Hildebrandt left for South Russia at the time before Christmas of 1943, and he remained there, at Army Group A, as Higher SS and Police Leader, until the end of August 1944. Q.Witness, did you gain any knowledge of the manner in which Hildebrandt administered that office in his capacity as Chief of the RuSHA? ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 900,000 | 900,500 |
am not that man. DR. MUELLER:No further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any further questions by the defense? (No response) For reasons beyond the control of the Court, it will be necessary to adjourn at 12 o'clock for the day. If we start with the cross-examination now, you would have a few minutes of it today and a few minu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 900,450 | 900,950 |
been given. Since this witness has now been kept in prison for two years, these three weeks certainly should not make much difference. MR. SHILLER:May I explain to the Tribunal that the Polish Government is now reaching the end of its program and has set a date within the next few weeks in which all its extradition pro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 900,900 | 901,400 |
the Polish authorities in their request so that these witnesses can be used both here and there. Give us that report as soon as you can. MR. SHELLER:I shall do so. May it please the Tribunal, during the Defense Counsel, Dr. Helm, has stated that he has tried, through official channels and through the Prosecution, to go... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 901,350 | 901,850 |
just found the two documents. QAt the top of these two exhibits, witness, does the note say "evacuated" instead of "voluntary"? AYes, that is quite true. In these two documents, under Head of Family", it says "evacuated". QWill you please explain the difference between "voluntary" and "evacuated", witness? ADuring the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 901,800 | 902,300 |
would have happened to such a person, witness, or such a family? AMr. Prosecutor, not only what would have happened to him, but what did happen to him, was this. They were returned to the agencies from which they came, that is to say, in most cases, the UWZ. If such a family had volunteered and had perhaps been sent ba... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 902,250 | 902,750 |
this sentence say that the RSHA could roach a decision without the opinion of RuSHA? A.Yes, it says that in the letter. Q.Witness, when you wrote that, didn't you know that when the result of the racial examination was negative that this decision was: Hanging? A.In this case, counsel, I believe it is a matter of clarif... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 902,700 | 903,200 |
A.I knew that the Reichsfuehrer SS used all possible documents in order to reach his decision; among others, also this opinion of the racial examiner. How he made this decision was in many cases, dependant I would like to say, on the criminal point of view of the matter. Whether or not there was an assault and soon, if... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 903,150 | 903,650 |
duty to edit this staff order. I would probably have signed it frequently because in the draft it was signed by the Chief. Decrees that were concerned with special and subjective matters of these agencies were a matter of these agencies to take care of just as they had their own payroll and just asthey received that ma... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 903,600 | 904,100 |
work this decree was published in 1942 and that was the year when I was no longer in the RuSHA. Q.Witness, I think I got your answer, but let me ask you a question again, and see if we can't have a shorter answer. THE PRESIDENT:You have two minutes, MR. SHILLER:Very well, your Honor. BY MR, SHILLER: Q.Witness, let's ta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 904,050 | 904,550 |
I stated that this Himmler for us -- and that we found out too late -- had two faces. Unfortunately he understood it too well to show us that face with which alone he could ask for loyalty from us his employees. And if we have broken down, it was our conception of loyalty that caused this breakdown. THE PRESIDENT:Your ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 904,500 | 905,000 |
do not cover any territory that has already been covered by the witness while he is on the stand. I want to caution counsel now for both the Defense and the Prosecution that hereafter when a witness is on the stand we must got through with him by everybody that expects to use him. There is no reason to keep having the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 904,950 | 905,450 |
that this roan mentioned by you -- Obersteiner -- was also Deputy of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism? AA deputy representative of the Commissioner? Well, as far as I know, he was not that because this office was held by the Higher police and SS Leader; however, he was, as far as I know, the he... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 905,400 | 905,900 |
of the camp. I was only racial examiner and it was my duty to make racial examinations of the inmates of this camp. QHerr Roedel, did you ever select children from the orphanage in Zilly? AIt is not known to me at all that there was an orphanage in Zilly. QAt that time in the area of Zilly were you the only racial exam... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 905,850 | 906,350 |
I say that in the course of these commissions in the Yugoslavia border area there was also a folkdom expert from the population that lived there? AYes, that is correct. Every commission had a folkdom expert. QWhat other commissions are concerned in this case? AI do not quite understand this question, Will you please cl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 906,300 | 906,800 |
evacuated? A.No; well, I mean I have to express that differently. In this case where the aim, that is, the evacuation was known to me and where there was an examination, but at no other times. Q.Did you have anything to do with the family care? A.Yes. Q.What did you have to do there? A.As an expert in the welfare depar... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 906,750 | 907,250 |
Lorraine. Q.Now, let's turn to another matter, the interruption of pregnancy inasfar as examiners were connected with them. Were these interruptions of pregnancy on female eastern workers carried out on a voluntary basis or was coercion exercised? A.Only on a voluntary basis because the applications were made by the fe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 907,200 | 907,700 |
took place. QWell then, let's find out did you know unofficially in most instances, witness, what was to be done after you made your racial examination with the result of the examination? AIn most cases, no, because that was none of my business; those were official orders and I didn't have to care what they were for. Q... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 907,650 | 908,150 |
the woman; all I had was the information that the woman had made an application and that I had to check that. QSomeone else told you that the woman had made an application; is that correct? AYes, that is correct. QWitness, you stated - AThey didn't tell me to check these applications; they told me to examine the woman;... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 908,100 | 908,600 |
a member of the RuSHA; that is right. I was an integral part of the RuSHA if you put it that way. QWhen did you become racial examiner? AIn the year -- I think it was 1941. QWhat was your occupation prior to that time? ABefore that I was a member of the SS in my official capacity in the marital office, in the family of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 908,550 | 909,050 |
ask you to speak into the microphone; that will make things easier. QWitness, during your activity as liaison leader of the RuSHA with the SS Main Office, what were your tasks? AI had to see to it that the volunteers who reported directly to the SS Main Office were selected, and I had to regulate the assignment of the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 909,000 | 909,500 |
in a village or town, it was known when a drafting was to take place. Therefore, the agency involved, which then needed a racial examiner, approached a drafting commission or the racial examiner directly - that is, the racial examiner attached to that commission. QNow, the defendant Hofmann was Higher SS and Police Lea... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 909,450 | 909,950 |
did you ever carry out such an examination? ANo, at no time. QWell, did you have knowledge of such orders? ANo. QOr did you hear about such an extermination camp? ANo. QDid you have means to determine otherwise, and to see how children of foreign workers were treated? AI visited a children's home in a factory camp near... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 909,900 | 910,400 |
witness to be cross-examined on his affidavit. I could then check my files and see whether or not we agree. THE PRESIDENT:I think that is a good suggestion, that hereafter when counsel calls a witness, he advise the Court whether he is called as a witness in chief or whether he is called for the purpose of crossexamina... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 910,350 | 910,850 |
we meant ethnic Germans, that is, Germans living abroad. QDid you state that when you were interrogated? AAs far as I remember, I did. QNow, did these ethnic Germans receive the German nationality prior to that recruitment? AWell, we were in no position to check that. That was settled after they were drafted, and it wa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 910,800 | 911,300 |
know what special treatment meant, and if so explain it. A.No, I didn't know it, Q.Witness, have you ever heard of the term "special treatment?" A.Yes, we heard that term. Q.Do you know what the term "special treatment" meant in general? Did it have any meaning to you? A.Not for me, no, but I assume that special treatm... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 911,250 | 911,750 |
did you work in the area of the Higher SS and Police Leader Southwest? A.From the first of December 1944 until -- well, until the end of April 1945; that is, until the surrender. Q.Did you work there under Kaul, Hofmann's predecessor? A.No. Q.I mean during the war. A.No, no, not during the war. Q.In other words, you co... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 911,700 | 912,200 |
should be sent to Hungary as adviser or observer. Was such a representative of the RuSHA actually called into this matter and sent to Hungary? A.I saw nobody. Q.Do you know Wyslyceny? A.Yes. Q.Was he an adviser to the Hungarian government, on Jewish affairs? A.He was in the Eichmann office. Q.In other words, he was not... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 912,150 | 912,650 |
the surrender with the troops in the Protectorate. I was married when I was 20 years old. I have five children that live in the eastern territories in bad conditions. That will be all. QWill you please speak a bit more slowly. Were you a member of the Party? AYes, since I was 18. QWere you a member of the SS? AYes, als... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 912,600 | 913,100 |
persons racially of mixed blood. From this index at that time, I took out a few cards at random and I convinced myself that these index cards concerned mostly persons that were deceased, and they were either baptized or were married to a non-Jewish partner or Jewish partner. QDo you still remember the dates of birth th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 913,050 | 913,550 |
the SS men were, for instance of Malay descent originating from their colonies. Also the genealogical records office was interested, in the course of the construction of new office, in getting all possible documents that would put them in a position to support the SS men in obtaining information in family matters and o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 913,500 | 914,000 |
indexes, and that, of course, a genealogical card index usually consisted of persons already dead, and for this reason, of course, would be quite unsuitable for those purposes. Q.Did the genealogical records office after the already-mentioned visits of these representatives, did they undertake any steps for getting rec... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 913,950 | 914,450 |
A.After this project was concluded I wrote a rather jocular, yes, I would say, a rather ironical letter to him. Q.Witness, I am showing you Document No. 4853, which is Exhibit No. 654, contained in Document Book XIV C of the prosecution. That is, XI C of the prosecution. This document, is this the letter that you just ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 914,400 | 914,900 |
an analagous index file of persons of Malayan mixed blood in contrast to that of persons of Jewish mixed blood. This card index has never been shown to me and I can't remember whether this card index was also safeguarded or not. From this letter can be seen that the attempt was to be made, that is to say, the various a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 914,850 | 915,350 |
see that from the fact that I have put these words "plundering expedition" in quotes. From a purely legal point of view we cannot talk about plundering expedition. This can be seen from the fact of the volentary agreement of the rightful owner which was in existence at the time. QThank you, that is enough in connection... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 915,300 | 915,800 |
and police leader concerning the registration of the Jewish population? ANo, he could not do that; he did not have the prerequisites for that sort of order, that is competency, and also the possibility to carry out such an extensive work with the means that had been put at my disposal. QDid you ever get an order concer... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 915,750 | 916,250 |
material and was only competent for the SS? AHe himself had contacted the genealogical records office, and the office had much more experience in the procurement of these records and besides, the genealogical records office was free to inquire at various other offices - I am now thinking of the registry agencies - whil... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 916,200 | 916,700 |
defendant Schwalm. Since when and from where do you know Schwalm? AI met Herr Schwalm already before the war. I cannot tell the exact date, or where it was; however, it must have been at some sort of a meeting. I only got acquainted with him more closely in 1943 when he began his activities as staff leader in the RuSHA... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 916,650 | 917,150 |
and I made the agreement concerning these various wishes with him, which then, though, still required the permission of the various department heads, as it was the case in the racial examination procedure. QWitness, before that you were talking about the Order Leaflet, that is the Order of the Day of RuSHA. Besides per... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 917,100 | 917,600 |
take care of this? AUntil a leader for this planned home was to be appointed, and until he was ready to take over the duties and the various business of the Lebensborn, I was to be a representative of the Lebensborn until that time; that is, mainly, I was to inform the NSV of the fact that by order of the Reichsfuehrer... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 917,550 | 918,050 |
than a few short letters. QDid I understand you correctly to say that this maternity home never was opened up? AYes, that is correct; it was never opened, that is to say, actually, I believe it was used for something different; I can't say that exactly of course; it was a combat zone and there was fighting in the area.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 918,000 | 918,500 |
on Berlin were increased, and because of important orders, a decentralization of the agencies followed. With that, the various agencies were transferred to various places of residence. The tasks of these various agencies were then carried out in a responsible manner by the chiefs, because, after all, it was impossible ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 918,450 | 918,950 |
command. At that time there were about 25,000 families to be taken care of through this agency. These families received relief payments of 1.2 million Gilders per month, that is to say, 1.6 million Reichsmarks. The invasion of the allied troups caused the Netherlands railroad employees, and partly also the mail system ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 918,900 | 919,400 |
come to some sort of arrangement as to how soon these witnesses shall be called I shall inform this Tribunal tomorrow morning. THE PRESIDENT:I appreciate that very much. Proceed with the examination. BY DR. PRACET: QWitness, I have only a fewmore questions to you concerning Hildebrandt. Can you tell me in a few words w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 919,350 | 919,850 |
the international law or the Hague Convention or the Geneva Convention or the general principles of humanity? ANo, I never received such directions. QThank you. No further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the cross examination. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. SHILLER: Q.Witness, will you please turn to Document No,NO-149... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 919,800 | 920,300 |
Herr Suedor, who had come with his wife-- and first he waited outside--and I asked his wife to have him come also to my office. Frau Suedor was very much surprised and she was even please about it, and thus her husband was introduced to me. Before I gave further attention to the matter, I talked with Herr Suedor and He... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 920,250 | 920,750 |
choice that Mr. Suedor had to make? What was he faced with if he did not agree to be sterilized? A.Well, whether there was a choice for him at all and what he could expect-well, that I couldn't tell you. That wasn't the point of our conversation. It was only the question as to whether he, as other people, had to wear t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 920,700 | 921,200 |
in order to obtain a treatment which was contrary to the laws, that I didn't know. Q.You didn't answer my question. My question was whether or not I correctly understood you in your testimony to say that when you put this sentence in your letter about sterilization, you knew at the time that the subject of sterilizatio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 921,150 | 921,650 |
I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) PRESIDENT:Proceed with the examination. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. HEIM: Q.Witness, will you please state your full name to the Tribunal and your birthplace and year of birth? A.My name is Heinrich Kaul. I was born on the 18t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 921,600 | 922,100 |
a proper lease treaty? A.Yes. It seems that way. I can't confirm it because I didn't have an insight on those matters, but I think I may go that far with certainty, that is, these matters were handled in a very correct and careful manner and on the strength of various signs, I assumed that such treaties of lease existe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 922,050 | 922,550 |
AI know only one genealogical file index in the office, and that is the file index which I saw later on when the boxes were sent to Rothenburg. I saw only a box that was opened, that is, the file index which had been created before the war on the initiative of Ossiander and gathered from a Part of the file index existi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 922,500 | 923,000 |
have an interest in half-Jewish file indexes, and such file indexes? AWell, until 1944, I didn't know anything about that in any country and as from '44 the only thing I heard about it, that is, in the lower countries, there was such a file index of half-Jews or such an interest, at least. QWhy specifically in Holland?... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 922,950 | 923,450 |
in Germany; and thirdly, as I have already, described, the photostating of the Huguenot documents from France. And now, a very strange thing, it also made charts of the families and tribes listed in the Hugenot documents. With this drawing up of charts on the average three employees of the ATA filled their time, such p... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 923,400 | 923,900 |
Steudtner fully capable of working? ANo, on no means. QNow, only two more questions. Do you know whether Steudtner was in Paris? AYes, he was certainly in Paris once at least; I don't know whether he was there twice, but certainly once. He was strong and tall, certainly he was nothing but a mail boy -- somebody who cou... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 923,850 | 924,350 |
a very friendly and comradeship relationship between myself and Ossiander, and it had nothing to do with the difference in rank between the two of us, and as it is only too obvious in such a castle away from every vestige of civilization, we would talk in the evening with Dr. Grobtefendt and with Ossiander, and we exch... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 924,300 | 924,800 |
MR. SHILLER:The Prosecution has no further questions. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. HEIM: (Attorney for the Defendant Schwalm) QWitness, do you know whether the ATA under Ossiander, from the file index existing, was always in a position to answer all the requests made to it in this connection? AI don't understand what yo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 924,750 | 925,250 |
the stand. DR. HEIM:Your Honor, I have another witness, but on account of the fact that vie have only three minutes left, may I perhaps postpone it until tomorrow morning. At the same time I would like to make the request that these three minutes be registered to our credit account. THE PRESIDENT:Well, since the clock ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 925,200 | 925,700 |
an honorary member of the Security Service-the SD -- in the capacity of Chief of a Field Agency in Ulm on the Danube. In October 1939, I was drafted into the EWZ. From the middle of February 1945 until the middle of April of the same year. I had been transferred to Office VI of the RSHA, Group France, in order to train... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 925,650 | 926,150 |
were the tasks of the EWZ? A.The EWZ, as a naturalization authority, had joined representatives of the Reich Ministries and Reich Agencies, just mentioned, in its body. According to the internal division valid for the last years of existence of that body, the departments I and II of the EWZ dealt with personnel questio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 926,100 | 926,600 |
explain to the Tribunal whether this chart is correct as far as the subordination of the EWZ is concerned. A.On the chart, the EWZ is listed as directly subordinate to the RSHA. I have to comment upon that. The EWZ was not subordinated directly to that main office, but on the strength of the delegation of powers to Hey... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 926,550 | 927,050 |
the EWZ. And part of them was considered for later naturalization. This activity took place between 1943 and autumn 1944. In northern France in the area around Douai, there was furthermore a group consisting mainly of miners who after the first world war had immigrated into France from Upper Silesia and Westphalia, a g... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 927,000 | 927,500 |
The individual commissions of the EWZ which had a personnel strength of 40 to 70 employees had the same expert departments themselves which were always under the direction of an official or of an export employee specially trained for that purpose, and which had to take care of the so-called screening in view of natural... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 927,450 | 927,950 |
for resettlement in the East, in the case of "A", fit for resettlement in Germany proper, "S" would single out such cases where for the time being the primary requisites for naturalizations were not given, and where, therefore, the applications had to be submitted to a further examination or also such cases where the r... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 927,900 | 928,400 |
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