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was to be screened according to other view points as the other resettlers? A.Before that, may I supplement that I have made the acquaintance of this document here in jail, and that I haven't known it up to that point. Now, concerning your question, whether the Tschernowitz population was screened according to other vie... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 928,350 | 928,850 |
and one has to consider It as an aim he was tending towards, but as far as the facts are concerned, it must be termed incorrect. After a comparatively short period of activities, at the end of 1940, Kaserer resigned from the EWZ. Q.Was the commitment decision a disadvantage for the resettlers? A.The resettlers with the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 928,800 | 929,300 |
German persons during the first years of the war, there was as from the end of 1942 or the beginning of 1943 a certain number of persons were screened who were partly of German descent, and who aimed at being received within the German people again. Those were the so-called Germans by descent. This registration was aim... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 929,250 | 929,750 |
these people had been screened, he had no further connection with the persons registered or with the fate of these persons. Q.From Document Book IV-D of the Prosecution, I am now handing to you DocumentNO-2763, Exhibit 171. Please explain your position to this document too. A.This document came to my knowledge here. In... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 929,700 | 930,200 |
course of the drive in Northern France, no identification papers could be issued any longer, as a result of the advance of the Western Powers, No resettlement was planned in any case for these areas. Q.I am now going to hand you, from Document Book V-E, Document NO-3568, Exhibit 316. This document bears the title of "B... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 930,150 | 930,650 |
Northern France, and it is an extract from the EWZ Decree No. 212. In the curse of the incidents which brought about this drive in Northern France, did the Race and Settlement Main Office play any part? A.The Race and Settlement Main Office did not participate in that, nor did any other office belonging to that agency.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 930,600 | 931,100 |
Book V-B. Do you still have it in front of you now? A.No. (Document submitted to witness) Q.This document is signed by the Chief of the Main Staff Office. Do you consider this document to be an official instruction for your office? A.I do not consider this document to be an official directive to the EWZ. In my opinion,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 931,050 | 931,550 |
Race and Settlement Leader in Posnan? A.I had nothing officially to do with Heubner in these capacities. DR. MUELLER:Thank you. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the cross-examination. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY DR. SHILLER: Q.Witness, please try to answer my questions as briefly as possible. A.Yes. Q.I should like, first, to take ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 931,500 | 932,000 |
you know whether or not there was any agreement with any French government? AAn agreement with the French Government was under preparation. This agreement was supposed to be reached with the Vichy Government. In my opinion, this agreement probably was not concluded because of the time factor. QWitness, was any one ever... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 931,950 | 932,450 |
until he asks you the question. THE WITNESS:I beg your pardon, Your Honor. BY MR. SHILLER: QWere you the Chief of the EWZ at the time you made the report of which that is an excerpt, witness? AI cannot see any date on this letter, but if I understood you correctly, this report dates from the year 1944. QYes, witness, a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 932,400 | 932,900 |
we would succeed as a result of mutual discussions that an agreement could be reached in favor of the resettlers. QThank you. I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness retire from the stand. DR.HESSE (For the defendant Lorenz): Your Honor, I would like to ask two questions of the witness. In the cross ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 932,850 | 933,350 |
Rautenfeld. I was born on the 16 of April 1913 at Katharinenberg in Latvia. Q.Were you a Party member? A.I want to describe my curriculum vitae very briefly. After I escaped from Russia in 1918, I attended the school at Berlin and later on the commercial school until the year 1932. After that time, I was a commercial e... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 933,300 | 933,800 |
until approximately February of 1943. Q.What rank did you hold at the time? A.I was a Hauptsturmfuehrer in the Waffen SS. THE PRESIDENT:May I caution the witness and the attorney that we have no lights to flash this morning to slow you down, but it is necessary that both the witness and counsel speak slowly, and that t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 933,750 | 934,250 |
his activity as Reich Peasant Leader, Darre had to devote all his time to that work. Q.You stated that in 1942 you were again attached to RuSHA. At that time also, was there a staff leader in RuSHA? A.No. Q.When was the position of a staff leader in RuSHA reestablished? A.The position of a staff leader was established ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 934,200 | 934,700 |
the tasks of the racial office? AYes, however, I only have a very superficial knowledge of it. QWhat do you know about it? AI only know that the racial office had the task to train the racial examiners, to screen them, and to assign them. DR. HEIM:Thank you, I have no further questions. PRESIDENT:Do you have any cross ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 934,650 | 935,150 |
from Berlin in spite of the separations and locations, to maintain contact with the offices which were outside of Berlin. QWitness, did you ever have anything to do with matters of policy, with directives and orders to other parts of RuSHA, with directives to racial examiners, and so on? ANo, I didn't have anything to ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 935,100 | 935,600 |
over his office to Hildebrandt was only very brief. As far as I know, perhaps only several weeks may have been involved. DR. HEIM:Thank you. I have no further questions. BY THE PRESIDENT: QWitness, what did you do when you worked with RuSHA? AFrom the hospital I was attached to the staff and I worked on organizational ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 935,550 | 936,050 |
one agency within RuSHA. ABesides this activity, as I have stated before, I also took Court No. I, Case No. VIII. care of organizational matters. QWait a minute. What did you do while you were taking core of organizational matters? What were you doing--what duties did you actually perform? AFor example, I had to see to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 936,000 | 936,500 |
you please state your full name to the Tribunal and also state your date and piece of birth? A.My name is Frau Elli Wolfgramm. nee Miss Lolan, on the 8th of October 1918 at Dortmund. Q.What is your present address? A.Wetterburgerstrasse 15, Arolsen. Q.Where is your place of birth? A.Germany. Q.For how long have your pa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 936,450 | 936,950 |
come that you went to Germany for the second time? A.With the ethnic, Germans where I worked, I very often talked to Germans. I myself expressed the wish to return to Germany proper. After that the police came to see me and told me I should got ready and that I was just about to go to Germany. However, first of all I h... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 936,900 | 937,400 |
of re-Germanization? A.Yes, Her Schwalm told me that I was becoming German. Q.In this connection was any threat expressed against you? A.No, no. Q.How was the treatment there in the field agency of the RuSHA itself? A.Well, really I think they were very decent and nice -nice. Q.Could you remember perhaps the port of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 937,350 | 937,850 |
work and then you had your free time to yourself, and the treatment was better; you were treated as a human being. Q.Witness, in what other respects weren't you quite so well treated in the Warthegau. You said the treatment was better aside from the working hours. What did you mean by that? Did you get better rations i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 937,800 | 938,300 |
Q.Was this area part of Germany or of Russia before 1917? A.As far as I know, it belonged to Russia. Q.How did you come into contact with the field agency of Lodz of the RuSHA? A.When in 1942 I read the German newspapers, I gathered that one could volunteer to the German People's List, and that one could acquire German... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 938,250 | 938,750 |
were you in that camp? A.I remained there for six weeks. Q.In other words you were in that camp for six weeks. Did you like it there? A.Yes, I liked it very much. Q.Could you move around freely down there: I mean, could you leave the camp and go to town whenever you wanted or did you have to remain within the camp all ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 938,700 | 939,200 |
gain advantages by that, and as I lided to do it, well, I did it. Q.Witness, did your parents ever apply for membership in the German People's List? A.No, my parents didn't do that. Q.Where are your parents today, witness? A.My parents are now in Poland. Q.Witness, you stated that you were very well treated in Lodz, an... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 939,150 | 939,650 |
of the government in 1942 in the territory in which you lived? A.Government? Q.Yes. A.The German Government in our territory at that time, Your Honor. Q.And you, at that time, were not living with your parents? A.No, Your Honor. Q.Why were you not living with your parents at that time? A.My parents did not remain where... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 939,600 | 940,100 |
right, let the witness step down. (Witness excused) DR. HEIM:Your Honor, my next direct witness, with the permission of the Court, will be the witness Otto Fersch. THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness come to the stand. DR. HEIM:Your Honor, I ask a recess of five minutes to fetch the witness. You see, he is a free witness, an... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 940,050 | 940,550 |
Schwalm's acquaintance in Koblenz in 1934. Q.Were you then a member of the Race and Settlement Main Office? A.No. Q.When did you join the RuSHA? A.I joined the RuSHA on the 1st of august, 1935. Q.In what towns did you work for the RuSHA? A.At Stuttgart, Berlin, and Vienna. Q.What was your official rank, and what was yo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 940,500 | 941,000 |
for members of the Waffen SS and of the police, Q.Witness, were there other fields of tasks which had been added? A.Yes, quite a few. The Race and Settlement Main Office was called upon for expert opinions in various government tasks. Q.Who had caused the RuSHA to be called into those matters? A.Basically, the Main Sta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 940,950 | 941,450 |
the further labor commitment of those people. Q.These families or single individuals, did you have to commit them to a concentration camp, for instance? A.No, and that was also out of the question for the very simple reason that my agency had no authority to commit anybody to a concentration camp. Apart from that, in t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 941,400 | 941,900 |
that was a merely expert checking. Q.What do you mean by "expert checking?" Do you mean racial examination? A.Yes. Q.Was it known to you, witness, that the term "special treatment" had for the state police the meaning of a well-defined procedure? A.No. Q.How how was the procedure in these cases where you were called in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 941,850 | 942,350 |
Continued BY DR. MUELLER: QWitness, I would like to ask you several questions. When did you meet the defendant, Huebner for the first time? AOn the first of August 1935 I was transferred from the Race and Settlement main office to the Race and Settlement leader at Stuttgart. In May of 1936 Herr Huebner arrived there, w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 942,300 | 942,800 |
gave a general speech about the tasks of his agencies or the RUS leaders and the representatives of the Reich commissars; about his activity as a Race and Settlement leader. Huebner stated that he only had to deal with the internal tasks of the SS. Of course, all this happened three years ago, so that I cannot recall a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 942,750 | 943,250 |
mean any antagonism towards regermanization -- did you also mean that? ANo. I did not mean that at all, because the entire regermanization program in any case was carried out on a voluntary basis and I also know that a large number of requests for admission to the regermanization procedure were disapproved by the compe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 943,200 | 943,700 |
was interruption of pregnancy. QUsing that term, Witness, what period of time was covered by applications for interruption of pregnancy? AFrom the time on when I again became Race and Settlement leader, that was from the spring of 1944 on. QWitness, you stated on direct examination that the eastern female workers had m... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 943,650 | 944,150 |
that the man might be hanged? ANo. QDid you know what could happen to these men, Witness, did you know that they would either be hanged or else regermanized? ANo. When the opinion was given, the activity of the Race and Settlement Office was completed as far as special treatment was concerned. QWitness, you spoke of ce... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 944,100 | 944,600 |
that the child would most likely make a good racial German, that the interruption would not be permitted. AYes. QIf on the contrary, it appeared that the child would most likely not make a good racial German, the interruption of pregnancy would be permitted. AMay I clarify another point before I answer to that? In our ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 944,550 | 945,050 |
last rank was that of Hauptsturmfuehrer. QSince when were you in the Race and Settlement Main Office? AI was in the Race and Settlement Main Office on two occasions; first, I joined it toward the end of 1934; and I stayed there until the end of 1935. And then in 1940 until 1943 I came from the Waffen SS to the Race and... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 945,000 | 945,500 |
with in RuSHA, but in the Reich Security Main Office. QWhy weren't physicians used for these examinations, who after all had the professional ability to do that? AIt was the original tendency within RuSHA to use physicians for this work; however, very soon it became evident that the physicians as a result of their prof... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 945,450 | 945,950 |
the proper training, so that the mistakes which I have mentioned before could not occur any more. Q.Witness, is there any scientific anthropology at all, that is to say a science, which deals with human beings, races and their varieties, as for as characteristics are concerned, and their physical characteristics, their... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 945,900 | 946,400 |
the racial office. He could only have some distant effect by the fact that the examiners which had been trained by him continued their work and they continued their work in his line -- in conformity with his ideas. Q.What persons were trained as examiners ? A.Originally above all members of the RuSHA were used for that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 946,350 | 946,850 |
adjoining Europe. Further in these theoretical subjects we had history of the European minorities and those European nations who were living in areas of mixed population. Q.How were the examiners otherwise prepared for their later activity? A.Only after a thorough technical training which they received, the examiner be... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 946,800 | 947,300 |
or 20 of them altogether in these jobs. One examiner would work with each replacement office of the Waffen SS. As I say, altogether, there would be about 15 or 20 of them. Q.Then, at any one time, approximately 75 people would be working in these jobs? A.Yes. Q.Besides the six agencies which you have just mentioned, we... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 947,250 | 947,750 |
EWZ. Each one of these agencies, in its own competence, would give an opinion about the candidate. The examiner would give his opinion in his own competency, that is to say, his racial opinion of the candidate. Therefore, his opinion was only one opinion amongst several and it would be used, together with all other opi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 947,700 | 948,200 |
beginning, the old corps of examiners was still used in screening these people, and they still closely adhered to the directives which had been issued by Himmler, and adjudged only according to the external characteristics. This form of screening, of course, inevitably led to wrong opinions. Later on, the number of wro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 948,150 | 948,650 |
and inconsiderate in his measures that families were torn apart or they were sent to different camps. QWhat were the effects of his activity, of this psychosis on the part of Amberger and how did this activity become apparent? AI have just described briefly what its effects were. This failure became quite apparent by t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 948,600 | 949,100 |
Germans from the Bukowina and in this respect we also saw a considerable number of cases where wrong decisions had been made, and where undue hardships had been imposed... That is why Schwalm ordered me to visit all the camps in which Germans from the Bukowina. That is what I did. QIn the document which I have just han... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 949,050 | 949,550 |
was made an absolute orde as far as the racial office was concerned. QIn the case of these orders and instructions by Himmler, were also such orders amongst them which in practice could not be executed? AYes, that happened repeatedly. The Reichsfuehrer would issue orders and instructions in the field of examinations wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 949,500 | 950,000 |
the method which had been introduced by Schwalm. QWhen Schwalm became race and settlement leader in the Race and Settlement Main Office, did he still have any influence on the racial office in this sense? ASchwalm did not have any direct influence any more on the racial office because the racial office was extremely in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 949,950 | 950,450 |
gave to everybody his unrequested and unsolicited opinions. He would give advice in everything when he wasn't even consulted; he tried to interfere in everything, and he would sound out the examiners about important work that they were doing, and then he would utilize the material and information which he had gained in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 950,400 | 950,900 |
the Jews were concerned, QAt the time what did one understand by partly of Jewish blood, or mixed blood? AThe expression party of Jewish blood did not come from anthropology, nor did it belong to the terminology of the examiners. This expression was only known to me from the propaganda from the RacePolitical propaganda... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 950,850 | 951,350 |
or Ukrainians then a corresponding remark would be made in their papers. Q.What was the result of this note that was made on the papers? A.First of all it did not have any effect but later on when Bessarabia and Bukowina were recaptured by the German Troops these people were sent back to their old country of origin. Q.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 951,300 | 951,800 |
time did individual children come into the re-Germanization procedure. Children would only come together with their families. Q.Was there a drive for orphans in which the field office played a part in bringing these children to Germany for re-Germanization? A.Yes, such a drive did take place I believe in 1943; on up to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 951,750 | 952,250 |
very pronounced and this only applies to various small fractions. Q.Are there other means which can be used in order to ascertain these things? A.Yes, one can judge a larger percentage of the children somewhat more accurately if one has the phychological training in order to use that for their judgment. Q.Witness, I ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 952,200 | 952,700 |
our opinion only refers to the area in which a race lives, that is to say; for example, in Europe the white races are the most suitable for living there and working there rather than non-European races and consequently they have the right to govern Europe. For example, in tropical areas the darker races are more suitab... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 952,650 | 953,150 |
front I would visit Hildebrandt repeatedly was that in him we would always find a listener to our problems and we could speak to him quite often about the bad conditions in politics, in the State, and in the SS which we observed in the course of time and which of course oppressed us personally to a considerable extent,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 953,100 | 953,600 |
office of the Party? A.For my activity I do not know of any collaboration with the racial political office. Whether this happened otherwise I don't know. However, I assume that discussions took place. Q.Witness, yesterday you spoke of having tried to use doctors as racial examiners at first but that this proved impract... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 953,550 | 954,050 |
to these potential examiners on that subjects Q.And they were all SS men is that correct, witness? A.Originally, yes. However, in 1942, or at the beginning of 1943, officers of the Wehrmacht and Wehrmacht psychologists were also assigned as examiners, and they were attached to the SS for that purpose. I cannot say anyt... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 954,000 | 954,500 |
to examine 20 or 25 individuals, and that is a very small number. Q. witness, you spoke of the examinations of people from Fukowina. During your direct examination you said that you and the defendant Schwalm had examined many of these people who had been rejected by Amberger. Exactly when was this -- I mean, in time? A... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 954,450 | 954,950 |
question. Q.Well, witness - A.You can't use the expression that they were good or not good. There was no such thing; I have stated that before. Q.Let me explain, witness. You stated that you did not personally believe in the theory of the Master Race. A.Yes. Q.Now, you consider Jews to be as intelligent, shall we say, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 954,900 | 955,400 |
competition, did that finally lead to the incidents that have come up now during the course of the trial; that is, did these qualifications lead to the final solution of Jews in the Third Reich? AI do not believe that the persecution of the Jews, as it has become known now, is based on this attitude, for we members of ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 955,350 | 955,850 |
theory? AThe University of Yale. QAre you familiar with the studies and writings of Professor Ernest Hooton, head of the Department of Anthropology of Harvard University? H-O-O-T-O-N? ANo, I am not. QHave you read Professor Hooton's writings? ANo, I don't even know the name. QWould you want this Tribunal to believe tha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 955,800 | 956,300 |
one cannot even give a probable exact characteristics of the racial components of that man. QIsn't anthropology a modern science, practically an outgrowth of the studies that only have been brought into consideration with the last 50 years? ANo, I think that the scientific basis of anthropology as a science and especia... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 956,250 | 956,750 |
Honor, is that correct? Q.Yes. Had that been done prior to, as you say, the racial examiners doing it? Had that been done in Germany prior to that time? A.Yes, of course. Such examinations were carried out by scientists for their own private scientific purposes again and again. Q.But you say for their own private knowl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 956,700 | 957,200 |
in my possession any paper or writing material. After that in the camp while I was there for a few days I was forbidden to leave that camp. Besides, Mr. Strauss was feared, and one was afraid to make such reports at the time. Q.Just repeat that last sentence: Mr. Strauss was feared.... A.People were afraid of Mr. Strau... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 957,150 | 957,650 |
so that the interpretor has a chance to catch up with you. What was your rank in the Waffen SS? A. Untersturmfuehrer. Q. When did you come first into contact with RuSHA? A. That was in the year 1934. Q. What was your capacity? A. I was an expert in the personnel department. Q. How long were you attached to the RuSHA? A... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 957,600 | 958,100 |
settlement affairs and I there had the same capacity with part of the personnel at the Higher SS and Police leader East. Q. Who was the head of this agency? A. That was SS Standartenfuehrer Henschel. Q. Were your activities there different from what you performed in Kiev? A. No, I had the same duties; it was just that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 958,050 | 958,550 |
say this taking over did not take place. A. No, it did not take place but the front was very near at the time. Q. Did the settlement office take over enterprises into their own account at all in Russia? A. No, the settlement office did not take over any property and make it their own. These were only enterprises which ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 958,500 | 959,000 |
with the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism. This was only a civilian agency, that is, he is the Reich Commissioner for the Ukraine. Witness, I now want to ask you whether the examination of orphans that is mentioned in this report actually took place? A.No, this examination did not take place. Q.But... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 958,950 | 959,450 |
in the Ukraine? A.No. Q.The SS men for whom you found jobs, did they have the free right of disposal over the products of these enterprises? A.No, that could only take place with the permission of the area Commissioner, that is to say the SS Economist of that area. It is not even possible that the men could simply take... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 959,400 | 959,900 |
of course in course of such a retreat everything was confused, so that we had to clarify certain things when these various troop trains got together again. QAnd the horses and this other property did not become real property of the RuSHA did they? ANo. DR. SCHWARZ:Thank you, no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 959,850 | 960,350 |
who conducted the discussions in connection with the proposal to collect the orphan children, were you not? AThat was a preliminary negotiation in which this matter was only discussed very much in brief; it was said in the course of this meeting that there was a plan to collect these orphans through the chief of the SD... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 960,300 | 960,800 |
were to dissolve this office. However, it never came to my knowledge that there were any more concerning these orphans, nor did I read anything in the files about it. DR. SCHWARZ:It has been pointed out to me that Security Police was translated SD or the other way around. However, it was only the SD. Thank you, I have ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 960,750 | 961,250 |
accompanying letter. However, I can add these extracts to my brief if I want to, but here we have the advantage that if we take the small extracts which have been noted here, and which have some probative value -- they have been noted in this letter -- then, I could immediately use them if they were translated. That is... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 961,200 | 961,700 |
in Luedteburg, at Holstein. QWhat did you study and when did you complete your studies? AI studied philology at Berlin, and I completed my studies in the year 1939 - in December of that year - when I passed my Doctor's examination. QDid you work for the settlement staff at Lodz? AYes. QWhen was that? AI came to Poznan ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 961,650 | 962,150 |
impression did you gain of the families who were selected for re-Germanization? AThese families made an excellent impression on mo. After all, they had been given a preliminary examination previously. QCould you perhaps give us a comparison between the families who were eligible for re-Germanization and the resettlers.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 962,100 | 962,600 |
do you know whether children were registered as individual persons in official drives, and selected? In this case I refer in particular to the time from September 1940 until September 1941. That is the time when Schwalm was in charge of the field office at Lodz. AI know nothing whatsoever about that. It is only possibl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 962,550 | 963,050 |
Police Leader? AYes. QWitness, were you familiar with Koppe's attitude? AYes. QWith Koppe's attitude, would he have permitted the designation "Field Office of RuSHA at Lodz" if that agency had been subordinated to him--that is to say, Koppe? AWhen I consider the matter carefully once more, I would say no. QCouldn't you... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 963,000 | 963,500 |
Can you give us the approximate time when this occurred? AIt was in the summer; it must have been in the months of May or June, 1944. QDo you know what position Schwalm occupied in Berlin at the time? ASchwalm, at the time, was the staff leader, of RuSHA. QOn what occasion did you establish contact with Schwalm at Berl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 963,450 | 963,950 |
However, they were to keep their permanent residences in the Government-General. AAs far as I know, this drive was carried out only by the labor offices and not through this agency. I cannot testify as to anything about it. DR. SCHWARZ:Thank you. I have no further questions. BY DR. HAENSEL (Counsel for the defendant Gr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 963,900 | 964,400 |
of the Reich Commissar. QTherefore in your chart, one would have to speak about the Reichsfuehrer and then one would have to draw a little arched line to the third box that is the representative of the Reich Commissar. AYes. QOn the lowest level you have just stated that RuSHA had a field office at Lodz and it was of s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 964,350 | 964,850 |
VDA was already in existence before 1939. QWhat problems did it deal with before October 1939? AThe VDA had to carry out welfare work and it had to deal with the problems of all the German minority groups abroad. QHow were these Germans called who lived as a group abroad amongst other nations? AThey were called "The Ge... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 964,800 | 965,300 |
not to be just a deporation of the Poles which had any connection with the destruction of the Polish national culture. That was not intended at the time. With the agreement which must be contained in your files, this must also be contained, and it should become quite evident. QThis actually was a triangle more or less,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 965,250 | 965,750 |
(for the defendant Lorenz): QWitness, your sketch has been shown to you on several occasions, and I have to do the same thing to you also. I am referring to the sketch with regard to Prosecution Exhibit No.34. You have already stated that the line leading from VOMI to the Agency of the Reich Commissar is not correct. T... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 965,700 | 966,200 |
the Main Staff Office at Berlin, is that correct? ANo, it received its instructions from Obergruppenfuehrer Koppe. QAnd Obergruppenfuehrer Koppe probably received his instructions from the Main Staff Office, is that correct? AYes. QI am now going to hand to you Prosecution Document,NO-4632, Exhibit 199, from Document B... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 966,150 | 966,650 |
why this was done? AYes, actually this entire drive was only the task of the Gauleiters since it was not a normal settlement any more in the whole sense. Since, however, the Gauleiter apparently did not have the necessary personnel in order to carry out this work, he approached Herr Huebner directly at the time and ord... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 966,600 | 967,100 |
EXAMINATION BY MR. SHILLER: QYou stated on direct examination that you knew about the activities of the branch office at Lodz from having heard certain speeches by the RUS leaders at meetings. Is that correct? AYes. QWitness, about how many meetings did you attend of that nature? AI cannot give you any figure any more;... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 967,050 | 967,550 |
the homeland of the Poles, so probably they must have considered it to be their homeland. QWitness, didn't you ever hear that the Poles considered the Government-General to be in a terrible condition and were very afraid to go there? AI never saw that they were afraid to go there. QWitness, you testified that the branc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 967,500 | 968,000 |
no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any further questions by the defense? REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. HEIM: QI only have one single question, your Honor. At the time at Berlin did you turn to Schwalm as a staff leader because you considered him to be competent for these questions or because you knew Schwalm from the ti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 967,950 | 968,450 |
I am married. QWhere do you live now? AI now live in Pullei on the Mosel River. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. QIs that in the French zone of occupation? AYes, this is in the French zone of occupation. QWhat is your husband's profession? AMy husband is an official of the Savings Bank in the Ruhr. QDo you yourself have a p... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 968,400 | 968,900 |
one and a younger one. The younger girl was called Johanna Kuntze. QThen, that was the girl that you later on took into custody? AYes. QAt that time you were in the Camp Oberweiss. AYes. QWhat sort of impression did you have of the quartering and the treatment of the children in this home? Will you please describe that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 968,850 | 969,350 |
the father of this little Johanna was a railway employee and shortly before the war had been transferred to the border to Poland or to eastern Prussia, I think, and then he was apparently murdered there. QWhere was the father supposed to have come from? AThis father was supposed to have been from the Rhine area. The mo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 969,300 | 969,800 |
I, Case No. VIII. also told me about this. QDid one now search out where this child's mother could have been, or where this foster parent, this aunt of the child could have been? AYes. QDo you know anything about that? AYes. When I took over the child I was told about it immediately that this case was a very strange on... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 969,750 | 970,250 |
when you took the child away from Oberweiss? AOn the top of this police report there was also a Polish name, but this Polish name was not at all familiar to the child. QWell, how do you explain this Polish name? AWell, that is very easily explained, for all our friends told us and especially this teacher from Pullei, t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 970,200 | 970,700 |
two days. DR. SCHMIDT:Thank you. No further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Go ahead with the cross-examination. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. NEELY: QWitness, you stated that there were about 80 children at the home at Oberweiss. Weren't some of these children there too young to talk? AI beg your pardon. I said 15 girls and 15 bo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 970,650 | 971,150 |
to have a child, and as I told you before -- and I believe you understood me correctly -- those conditions were lovely for the children. We could only have been glad that we got children who were well trained, who were in good physical condition. Why should we want to have bad children? QI think that answers my questio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 971,100 | 971,600 |
officials, is that correct? AYes. QThere has been no correspondence at all requested from the counsel who just interrogated you, is that correct? ACorrespondence? I don't understand. QI mean, has - AI don't understand. The counsel? QYes. AHe invited me to come here. That is, he subpoenaed me, but I do not know why. QAn... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 971,550 | 972,050 |
Witnesses. I do not recognize any difference in nations or in races; I love all men who are decent and honest. Q.How long were you in Koenigsberg? A.I was born in Bromberg. After the first World War my father was transferred to Eastern Prussia, and my last residence in East Prussia was in Koenigsberg. Q.How long did yo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 972,000 | 972,500 |
of June, 1944; that is when I came to Oberweiss. Q.And how did you stay there? A.Until the 5th of May 1945, when American troops occupied it. Q.And were there other Jehovah's Witnesses in Oberweiss besides you? A.Yes, there were two such Jehovah's Witnesses; Frau Keppe arrived there seven weeks before I came there, and... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 972,450 | 972,950 |
who often came to me and talked to me. QWho were those people? AThose were the brothers Museahl. QThese brothers Museahl, did they tell you that they had been separated by force from their parents? ANo, the brothers Museahl had a mother. They frequently showed me her letters. This mother visited those children when the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 972,900 | 973,400 |
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