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nothing to do with them. Q.Did you hear of these measures? A.No. The documents show that the VOMI did not receive knowledge of these things at all. Q.You are not charged with anything in Counts 13 and 14 of the indictment. According to Count 15 you are to be held responsible for and you are alleged to have participated... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 748,350 | 748,850 |
occupied COURT I CASE VIII territories and was that deportation for the purpose of slave labor? A.No. That was not my task nor was it the task of VOMI. Q.Did you have anything to do with deportations? Did you order deportations to be carried out? Did you carry them out or did you favor them? A.No. I have already stated... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 748,800 | 749,300 |
of the resettlement was concerned. In this case also it was specified in particular in the agreement that these people were to go on a voluntary basis. Q.Do you still recall whether these people had to declare their willingness to leave before mixed commissions? A.In the case of all resettlements in other countries it ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 749,250 | 749,750 |
A.The expert of Office VII, Dr. Wolfrum, sometimes would be absent from his office and in this case since he did not have a deputy, the correspondence in Office VII would be submitted to me for my signature. In several cases Dr. Behrens or his successor told me to deal with individual questions. Q.What does the term, "... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 749,700 | 750,200 |
the area of Smolensk was to be carried out by order of Himmler and that it was not on a volumtary basis. What did you express in that opinion? A.In all the cases of resettlement of ethnic Germans from the Soviet Union there cannot be the least doubt also in this case that these resettlements were carried out upon the w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 750,150 | 750,650 |
the Soviet Union. Of the Russia-Germans resettled or repatriated by VOMI; at least 200 thousand are living in the western zones of the occupation today. They read the proclamation of the Prosecution that they should report here as witnesses for this trial. Of these hundreds of thousands of Germans from Russia, not a si... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 750,600 | 751,100 |
whose ethnic security is concerned. Did you have anything to do in handling this question? ANo, that was the task of Brigadefuehrer Hoffmayer, and of his office. I only passed on an information copy of this correspondence; factually I had nothing to do with it. QIn Prosecution Exhibit259, in Document Book V-C, the ques... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 751,050 | 751,550 |
accommodated in apartments. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will recess until 1:30. (The Tribunal recessed until 1330 hours, 19 Dec 47.) Court No. I, Case No. VIII. AFTERNOON SESSION (The hearing reconvened at 1330 hours, 19 December 1947.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the examina... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 751,500 | 752,000 |
293 and Exhibit 294. Are these complaints of this kind? A.Yes, one of these complaints; this is a case where refugee Russian-Germans had been put to work in a plant which had been evacuated because of air raid damage. They were there with their families, and were dissatisfied with a number of things. When this letter o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 751,950 | 752,450 |
VOMI or Office VI had any connection with it. Most of the orders did not even go to VOMI for information purposes. But if any letters did come for information, they were sent to me in Office VI. It did not mean that we did anything about it. In the matter of Germanization or re-Germanization, VOMI, and I think I, mysel... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 752,400 | 752,900 |
then possibly be able to protest against them. Q.Did you protest against them? A.Yes, in a report which I still remember very well addressed to the Cracow Office, which was in very severe terms. This letter was also in the documents, in which Document 670 and 671 are contained. Of course, it hasn't been submitted, and ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 752,850 | 753,350 |
are to get German nationality. Can you tell us what this is about? A.Yes, When in 1941 the German troops occupied parts of Russia a large number of Russo Germans immediately put themselves at the disposal of the troops as interpreters or to fight against Bolshevism. These Russo-Germans, who were Soviet nationals, could... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 753,300 | 753,800 |
I know these files very well indeed. Q.- Thank you very much. May it please the Tribunal, I have no further questions. BY THE PRESIDENT: Q.- I want to ask the witness one question to clarify something in my own mind. You testified this morning that during your connection with VOMI you did resettle a number of people wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 753,750 | 754,250 |
at the time -- I don't know by whom -- and was asked to inform Kiev that Professor Meyer would arrive there on a definite date with a definite order. So it was purely a matter of passing on information about his arriving. Q.- And why was VOMI informed about this? A.- Probably because in the Main Staff Office they didn'... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 754,200 | 754,700 |
it. Q.Did VOMI have any connection with the planning office or with Professor Meyer? A.Not that I know of. At any rate, I never did. Q.Did Professor Meyer have any connection with deportations from the West, for instance, Alsace or Lorraine or Luxembourg? A.I never heard of it. Q.In your direct examination you mentione... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 754,650 | 755,150 |
the SS but I only knew the few members of the SS who were in VOMI. They were exceedingly decent people. There was no reason for me to refuse because as things were at the time it was a recognition of distinction for me. Q.Thank you, Witness. In connection with the resettlement of settlers in Wolhynia and Galicia, did y... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 755,100 | 755,600 |
He never gave me any orders not to help people who were in need. There was in existence a Himmler order that people of Jewish descent were not to be resettled. In five or six cases which I can list individually I ignored this order and saw to it that these people were able to leave Germany.. I can not prove that becaus... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 755,550 | 756,050 |
Exhibit No.828? This is a letter from Lachmann whom you mentioned earlier to both you and Klingsborn concerning this subject. AI can't recall having received this letter nor did I initial it. QThat is all right, witness. We will not go on to the next point. You have often mentioned on direct examination that this whole... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 756,000 | 756,500 |
just to see what the subject matter is about. You don't have to study it. ANow that I have read it through quickly I remember the letter. It says that at the time I objected to the expression used, namely, slave trading. QWitness, didn't Office 6 of VOMI cooperate closely with Lebensborn in connection with the care of ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 756,450 | 756,950 |
did you get this letter, witness, just for information? AI don't know. QWitness - AThere is no indication on it that it was handled by any of us. QWitness, I think we can now go on to the next point. Are you sure that you never knew of the sterilization of children? AI cannot remember any incident of this kind. QWitnes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 756,900 | 757,400 |
did not kill off any ethnic Germans as well? A.I don't know. I don't remember. Q.Witness, didn't you notify one Einsatzgrup that Wohlrabe was going to Smolensk with a VOMI detachment? A.Certainly. I already said that in the direct examination. Q.Witness, why did you notify the Einsatzgrup which was a mere telegraph age... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 757,350 | 757,850 |
in turn from the Reich Security Main Office. A.I believe I can recall, but I cannot say that with certainty- Q.Thank you. A.That the Reich Security Main Office had already taken a different stand on the subject. Q.Could you on your own initiative, if you alone had knowledge of this matter, would you on your own initiat... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 757,800 | 758,300 |
Are these two documents signed? A.Neither one of then is signed. Q.Do you know the authors of these two documents? A.With regard to DocumentNO-5311, the author's name is not mentioned. Q.And on DocumentNO-5312? A.Here it is stated: Re: The Luxembourg Comradship Work, but it does not become evident from this document wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 758,250 | 758,750 |
A.There were no Yugoslav children, but there were the children of Slovenes. Q.In any ease they were foreigners? A.Yes. Q.What language did those children speak? A.These children spoke their Slovene language. Q.Did the children also speak German? A.Yes, frequently they also spoke German. Q.Were those children prohibited... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 758,700 | 759,200 |
intended for resettlers and later on they were to be used for aliens who were eligible for re-Germanization. What category of resettlers did you have in your camps? A.We first had ethnic Germans from Bessarabia; then we received Yugoslave nationasl, and they were Slovenes; they consisted of families. After these famili... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 759,150 | 759,650 |
in a camp in Straubing and at Straubing there were camps of people who were eligible for Germanization and also those were not eligible for Germanization. 19 Dec 1947_A_MSD_22_2_Gaylord (Garand) I also had access to the camps of people who were not to be Germanized and I could see how they were treated there also. QYou... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 759,600 | 760,100 |
you sure that this camp was subordinated to VOMI? AYes, that is what the children told me. I only know what the children told me. I have to depend on what they told me in this respect. QDid the children tell you who separated them from their parents? AYes, they told me that also. QWhat did they say about that? AThey to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 760,050 | 760,550 |
the spelling of the name was changed. AYes, that is correct. QNow you stated that this change of name had been carried out 19 Dec 1947_A_MSD_22_5_Gaylord (Garand) in an assembly camp of VOMI. Do you know for certain that this was a VOMI camp? AI don't know that for certain. It is possible that these names were immediat... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 760,500 | 761,000 |
had been shot and their mothers sent to concentration camps. Did they tell you who did that? AYes. The children told me that the SS had done that. That is what some said. Others said that the police had separated them from their parents. QVery well. Let the witness retire from the stand. (The witness is excused.) THE P... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 760,950 | 761,450 |
you know whether Behrends informed Lorenz of everything that happened? AHe constantly informed Obergruppenfuehrer Lorenz; whether he was able to inform his of everything that happened, I don't know, but I don't think so. QWas Behrends very ambitious? ABehrends was industrious and he was also ambitious. QDo you know whe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 761,400 | 761,900 |
to the Supreme SS and Police Leader,and furthermore he was in charge of the ethnic German colony at Transnistria. QAnd you also had to look after ethnic Germans in the Ukraine? AYes. QIf I understood you correctly, Hoffmeyer, after he had begun his activity in Transnistira in Russia, was not subordinated to Lorenz any ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 761,850 | 762,350 |
who were under our care were decently cared for. QDo you know that he did this especially with regard to the Slovene children? AYes, I know that. QWith regard to the children, to whom did he give the special assignment? AHe discussed the matter with Behrends and I believe that he pointed out to Altena that this camp wa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 762,300 | 762,800 |
these persons were given some work? AYes. QIs it correct that the camp leaders had to report to the VOMI offices that a certain number of people were located in the camps? AI am not acquainted precisely with the technical procedure but I think so. QWitness, it has been mentioned here many times that so-called deportees... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 762,750 | 763,250 |
from the Reich. QThey only had to deal with these people when they were transported from one camp to the other? AYes. QDo you know, Witness, in what manner the land was procured on which these camps were constructed? AYes. The Sturmbannfuehrer Altena had the task, first of all, to procure land in order to construct the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 763,200 | 763,700 |
be done right on that spot, that was done by Hoffmeier? A.In Russia? Yes. Q.Hoffmeier was not subordinate to the VOMI in Berlin, but another agency, is that correct? A.Yes, that is correct. Q.The Prosecution has submitted a document here, as exhibit 245. This is a telegram or teletype from Lorenz to Himmler which bears... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 763,650 | 764,150 |
existence of such commissions which gave assurances to resettlers for indemnification of the property? A.No, I can't tell you anything about that. Q.Don't you recall that Lorenz stated explicitly before members of the VOMI that no promises were to be made to the resettlers in this respect? A.It was prohibited to our de... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 764,100 | 764,600 |
from the Reich Treasury? A.Yes. Q.Would you have found out about it if Lorenz had received any pay from the General SS? A.Yes. Q.That would be passed on through VOMI? A.Yes. Q.Witness, can you tell me something, since you were the adjutant of Lorenz and since you have known him for some time, about his character? A.Yes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 764,550 | 765,050 |
the work which you did do continued to function in the normal sort of way. THE WITNESS:Yes, it continued. MR. SHILLER:Thank you, Witness. Q.Now, Witness, who paid Hoffmeier and the people under him? A.I don't know who paid them. Q.Do you know who paid Weitgen and the people under him? A.I can't tell you that either. W.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 765,000 | 765,500 |
paid by the General SS? A.Because I know that the representative of the Reich Treasurey Damzow would personally bring the salary to the Obergruppenfuehrer. Q.Witness, can you state positively that the defendant Lorenz did not, in addition, get paid from the General SS? Court No. I, Case No. VIII. AI can say that for ce... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 765,450 | 765,950 |
NIKOLAUSPIEGER, a witness, took the stand and testified as follows: THE PRESIDENT:The witness will raise his right hand and repeat after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the ex... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 765,900 | 766,400 |
and Hungarian monarchy, they had been called there by the former emperors. Then there are people who lived in countries where rulers of German descent had called them; for example, Catharina had called them to Russia; Carol to Rumania, and Ferdinand had called them to Bulgaria. These ethnic Germans whom we found in the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 766,350 | 766,850 |
any special rights; and they could not insist on any legal privileges; and that is why it is that they were absorbed to another nationality. Furthermore, in the west and in the United States, these difficulties covered a western culture there, and therefore it was more easy to adapt themselves to these conditions. QDo ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 766,800 | 767,300 |
Russia to be a special national body? A.Yes, because until the year 1939 the Germans in the Soviet Union in their close settlement areas were allowed to have their own schools; they used in their communities in many cases German as their official language. In the year 1924, the autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 767,250 | 767,750 |
time, I was expelled by the SD; then I returned to Bucharest, and the Ministry of Culture of Bucharest looked after me. Through the Catholic representative, Archbishop Casullo I received the special protection of the then leader of the State, Antonescu, and as a Catholic Priest under Rumanian protection I was able to w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 767,700 | 768,200 |
reproached with anything, then I as being acquainted with the conditions can only reproach them with one thing, and that is, that they carried out the resettlement too late. No force was exerted on our Germans in Russia, Court No. I, Case No. VIII. because it was unnecessary after the hell through which these people ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 768,150 | 768,650 |
know nothing about any forcible deportations. QIs it perhaps known to you, witness, that German authorities in Russia turned down many Germans in Russia, when they reported voluntarily for work in Germany? AIt should have become evident quite clearly from my previous statement, that consideration was not given to all t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 768,600 | 769,100 |
up our ecclesiastical life and its organization, and particularly with the ecclesiastical buildings which had all been desecrated. I, therefore, had no other interests beyond these. QWitness, did you ever hear what the SD Einsatzgruppen were doing in Russia? AI already stated before I took no further interest in these ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 769,050 | 769,550 |
QWitness, you have testified that all these ethnic Germans, many of whom had been in Russia, or rather their families had been in Russia for hundreds of years, that all of these people wanted to leave Russia. Wasn't there a single ethnic German in your district who wanted to stay there? AI stated previously there were ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 769,500 | 770,000 |
the Russians. Now these people who again fell into Russian hands, these hundreds of thousands, none of these came back to their homes, not one of them; but all of them were deported into the wide plains of Russia. We have received information from the district of Archangelsk, from the district of Kasakstan and from the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 769,950 | 770,450 |
people in charge of VOMI because VOMI was the world by authority in the individual municipalities and communities, and in the same manner as the church today has to maintain contacts with any wordly agency, whether they liked to or not; the same applied there; they had to do it there, too. QDid you find in your activit... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 770,400 | 770,900 |
which was exercised within Germany itself. I do know that German agencies abroad did of course endeavor to subordinate the church too under their control and supervision, but we abroad of course enjoyed, quite a different condition, particularly in the southeast because we were always in contact with the regional Gover... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 770,850 | 771,350 |
the performance of your priestly duties, or to your knowledge with the duties of any other priest? A.Hoffmeier's detachment did endeavor to do so on various occasions via the Governor Alecsianu to restrict our activity. For example, in the presence of the Apostolic Nuncio he asked that I be expelled, expelled from Tran... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 771,300 | 771,800 |
date. What year did you say? A. 25 January, 1940. Q. 1940..yes. And in what office did you work there with VOMI? A.In what was later called Amt*ll, Main Department Camp Administration. Q.Who was in charge of this Office 11? A.Herr Ellemeier. Q.And what was the task, what was the field of duties of this office? A.To tak... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 771,750 | 772,250 |
registered their requirements for equipment. QWitness, you stated Before that accommodation was procured according to the Reich procurement law, equipment was requisitioned. The Prosecution has submitted Exhibit 623, according to which Himmler was to have issued an authority of 30 December 1939 in favor of VOMI for car... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 772,200 | 772,700 |
Medical Chamber I know that the mortality rate of infants amounted to one percent of the Reich average. Q.And what food rations did the resettlers receive? A.Up to the fall of 1942 the Resettlers received twenty percent higher rations than assigned to the Reich population itself. From the fall of 1942 onwards they rece... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 772,650 | 773,150 |
did the labor offices just receive a communication from their VOMI camp commandant as to how many resettlers happened to be in the camp? A.Usually the procedure was as follows. After the resettlers had arrived the respective deputy of the labor office appeared in their camp itself and discussed labor allocation with th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 773,100 | 773,600 |
complaints of the resettlers and do their best to alleviate conditions. Q.Hans Klingsporn, were measures taken against such members of the camp staff who did not fulfill their duties? A.Yes. Action was taken against them--The camp leaders, camp fuehrer who utilized food destined for the camp inmates or who approached w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 773,550 | 774,050 |
the SS Obersturmfuehrer Harder of RUSHa, according to which Vomi by carrying out racial COURT I CASE VIII examinations by RuSHA had to determine the racial grading of Slovenes. Was that done? A.No. As far as I know, there was no ethnic group in Slovenia. Q.Do you know whether Vomi at first refused to accept Slovenes in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 774,000 | 774,500 |
from some other agency. Q.Are you sure that Vomi Berlin did not-pass on such an order? A.I am sure of that. Q.Witness, do you know of any case in which a Slovene escaped from a Vomi camp or his accomplices--that a Slovene or any accomplices of his had been hanged in camp. Did you know such an incident of escape? A.No, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 774,450 | 774,950 |
acted upon orders from VOMI or independently in this matter? A.In this matter he could not have acted by orders of VOMI because the instructions and directives which Zyriack received, as far as VOMI was concerned, only dealt with the treatment and care of the camp inmates. Q.In this letter, Witness, Slovene children ar... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 774,900 | 775,400 |
not only resettlers but also deportees. In what manner could these resettlers who were in VOMI camps represent their own interests? A.There was an order in effect stating that the people who were in the camps could elect a spokesman, a male spokesman and a female spokesman, in a democratic manner and the camp administr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 775,350 | 775,850 |
official channels. They could turn directly to the Einsatzfuehrung or they could turn directly to us at Berlin, which was done in many cases. Q.Did this decree of Gaueinsetzfuehrung in Lower Silesia, also refer to the camps at Kloster Neuberg and Boberstein? A.I can't say that for certain. I assume so. Q.Did you ever i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 775,800 | 776,300 |
the fact that the Slovenes who were not eligible for Germanization are to be subjected to another racial examination. For what reasons did you state that in the file note? A.I signed this file note, but I did not work it out myself. It was worked out by Herr See. I know that Herr Sec informed me of the for that in the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 776,250 | 776,750 |
to hand to you Prosecution Exhibit710. This is a letter from Creutz to the VOMI. Here a children's drive has been mentioned and it deals -- particularly with Slovene children. What can you tell us in that connection? A.The letter has been signed by Dr. Creutz, but it does not concern him. The letter was dictated by Dr.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 776,700 | 777,200 |
However, we refused to do so because the people had behaved decently during their stay in the camps. Q.From Prosecution Exhibits 234 and 235 it becomes evident that resettlers from Lithuania who wanted to return to Lithuania had to fulfill certain formalities and that VOMI also carried out certain functions in this res... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 777,150 | 777,650 |
and privileges of resettlers. In this connection the Slovakian Government also wanted to resettle Slovakian anti-social elements. However, we refused to do that. Q.If I understood you correctly, the Slovakian Government was interested in this question? A.Yes. Q.In Prosecution Exhibit366, a certain man by the name of Ri... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 777,600 | 778,100 |
of Germanism? AWe didn't have any liaison man there at all. QAs head of Office VI, was Brueckner an office chief within the SS? ANo. After all, we were not an SS Main Office. QHe was not an office chief in the SS? ANo. QAs head of Office VI, could Brueckner have any influence on or the right to issue instructions to th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 778,050 | 778,550 |
unreliable and intolerable in his position which he occupied, as far as the Reich Security Main Office was concerned. QI am now coming to something else. Were the questions which referred to the deported Slovenes handled by Brueckner or your office? AThey were dealt with by Office XI. QDo you know whether Brueckner, ho... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 778,500 | 779,000 |
entire matter pertaining to the Germans from the southeast? AThe ethnic Germans were to be accepted in our camps. The number of ethnic Germans who were fleeing was much higher than we were able to accommodate in our camps. Consequently, it became necessary that other agencies also looked after the accommodations for th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 778,950 | 779,450 |
-in order to help those people to get back to their old homeland, or at least in the vicinity of their old home country -- the VOMI turned to the Main Staff Office with a request that Himmler should agree that these people should be sent to the right bank of the Rhino. Q.If I understood you correctly, the Luxembourgian... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 779,400 | 779,900 |
whether because of these children, another conference took place? A.A discussion took place at Berlin in the Main Office of the NSV. Q.Do you know whether the Lobensborn occupied itself with these children from the southeast at all? A.Well, first of all I know that through a letter from Obersteiner, and on the other ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 779,850 | 780,350 |
been for Herr Lorenz, I would have finally ended up in a concentration camp. Court I Court VIII QDid the Lebensborn put up certain conditions for taking over of these children? AAs the result of the correspondence from discussions that took place in my agency, in which two ladies from the Lebensborn participated, at th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 780,300 | 780,800 |
out the administrative business for the Reich Commissar? AThat was done by Herr Hagen. QWhen this administrative business was taken care of did Schwarzenberger appear there in any way? AI only saw his name on some circulars. QDid you yourself see Schwarzenberger at the VOMI? If so, how many times did you see him altoge... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 780,750 | 781,250 |
camp under guard, witness? AA police detachment took them to the camps. QAnd once they reached the camp they were free of all restraints and supervision, is that correct, witness? There was no police, no camp guards, nothing of that sort, is that correct? AI have already stated that our camps were quite open, and that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 781,200 | 781,700 |
that paragraph, witness, in which you say that the educational measures should be directed in a lesser degree to achieve a high-grade of education but rather to establish an association with Germanism? AYes. QAren't you therein concerned with Germanization, witness? ANo. QCould you explain that very briefly? AWe consid... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 781,650 | 782,150 |
you; no further questions. EXAMINATION BY THE PRESIDENT: QWitness, I understand you to state that on some occasions Slovenes would get into VOMI camps who were not eligible for Germanization, and that a further racial examination was conducted so that you could get them out of the VOMI camp. What did you do with them? ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 782,100 | 782,600 |
statement. Tell me, please, very briefly, what were the activities of groups in Germany concerning German minorities in Europe before the 1st World War? AThe German racial groups and though they did not have the means to pursue their responsibility to keep up their cultural heritage, and keep up relations with cultural... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 782,550 | 783,050 |
VOMI? A.In January, 1937. Q.Was he subordinated to Himmler at that time? A.No, The task of VOMI was given to it by Hess, as Reich Minister, and Lorenz received his authority from Hess. Later on, in 1938 he was given his power by Hitler personally; thus, Lorenz was subordinated to Hess and later to Hitler, but never to ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 783,000 | 783,500 |
some in the VOMI who had previously been members of the SS; for the rest, for the most part received SS ranks but to this they neither became members of the General SS nor active members of the Waffen SS. Q.Witness, in order to complete our questions of organization, is the name of Hoffmayer known to you? A.Yes, the na... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 783,450 | 783,950 |
Foreign Office wanted to help him. The end of the letter of the Foreign Office, in which the reasons which I just stated appear also, contained a hand-written notation: VOMI is to be informed of this. The Prosecution claimed last year that this handwritten notation, proved that the VOMI had provided the funds. The pres... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 783,900 | 784,400 |
the draftings were detrimental to the racial German groups, and in order to avoid and prevent them I coordinated myself into these operations. I went to Lorenz concerning this matter, and Lorenz considered it right that our office concerned itself with these matters. Q.If I understand you correctly, you, on the order o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 784,350 | 784,850 |
were foreign citizens. In order to utilize them for the German Wehrmacht, that is to say, to conscript them for the German Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS, international agreements had to be concluded; and I know that Oberuppenfuehrer Lorenz definitely and strictly kept in mind that the international side of it in our relations... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 784,800 | 785,300 |
that an obligation to serve as racial Germans abroad--that is, as foreign citizens--did not only arise from the fact that this man was a racial German but as a result of international agreements. Did I understand you correctly? AYes. QI now show you Exhibit 330. This concerns an order of Himmler's to Lorenz. It gives t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 785,250 | 785,750 |
by Himmler about the matter and I visited Fleps once more and with Obergruppenfuehrer Lorenz instructed Fleps to release the racial Germans which Fleps had gotten from Rumania and Croatia. In addition, 4,000 men who had not volunteered were also to be released from the army. Lorenz also fought to see that the 700 men w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 785,700 | 786,200 |
that the VOMI was to be informed by Berger about planned operations before the foreign office and the racial Germans were to be informed. The VOMI was to give its appraisal of the planned operation. QYou need not go in so much detail. Just state the individual parts. APoint 2 determined that the Volksgruppen leader was... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 786,150 | 786,650 |
court. THE PRESIDENT:Tribunal I will come to order. Mr. Marshal, have you ascertained that all the defendants are present? THE MARSHAL:May it please Your Honors, all the defendants are present with the exception of the defendant Huebner who is absent, excused. THE PRESIDENT:The record will so indicate. Proceed with the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 786,600 | 787,100 |
very keen to get members for the Waffen SS. Perhaps, too, Lorenz was approached only because according to the eight-point agreement, the ethnic German leader was responsible for exemptions and he wanted to ethnic group leader. That is the way Altgeier told me the story. So I emphasize once again that Lorenz had no powe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 787,050 | 787,550 |
agreements with the various countries of the southeast about the drafting of ethnic Germans, in the setting up of such international agreements, was VOMI itself a partner in the negotiations or not? 23 Dec 1947_M_MSD_1_4_Gaylord (Lund) ANo, only the foreign office negotiated in every instance. QWhen you mention draftin... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 787,500 | 788,000 |
officer in the Wehrmacht. A.Yes. Q.In 1944 or '45, when the German troops retreated, were you in Hungary? A.Yes. Q.Did you see any formations of the VOMI there? A.I met a few members of the VOMI who were assisting the fleeing population. Q.You mention the fleeing population. Was there any sort of compulsion on the popu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 787,950 | 788,450 |
resettlement from Luxembourg? A.I didn't think it was a discussion of advisers. I just happened to be there when Behrens was talking to his advisors and I remember hearing something about resettlement in Luxembourg. Q.What was it about? A.Gauleiter Simon, Chief of the Civil administration in Luxembourg, had expressed t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 788,400 | 788,900 |
down this plan. In fact, with the help of the foreign office through discussion with Brueckner this plan was not carried out. QDo you know whether VOMI established an office in France? AI don't know whether VOMI established an office in France. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. I only heard once that an office should be esta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 788,850 | 789,350 |
any more connection with VOMI. QIn other words, witness, you claim that you know nothing about VOMI after the middle of 1943, is that correct? AYes. QWitness, do you know who paid the personnel under Hoffmeier in the East? AI can not say. I had nothing to do with these things. I would assume that it was paid by whateve... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 789,300 | 789,800 |
Germans placed into the German Armed forces. What did you have in mind as being illegal? AWhat I had in mind as being illegal was to draft those Court No. I, Case No. VIII. Ethnic Germans who outside of state treaties had volunteered for the Waffen-SS, and who might have been drafted without the knowledge of their own ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 789,750 | 790,250 |
countries. AYes, that is what I am talking about. In the Prinz Eugen Division originally only men from the Serbian Banate were to be in included, volunteers, and in addition Phleps included men who had volunteered from Roumania and Croatia, and also conscripted men from the Serbian Banate, and when we heard that we saw... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 790,200 | 790,700 |
concern with the drafting, and it was only when Ethnic group leader Janko advised VOMI that VOMI considered it her duty to restore conditions in keeping with International Law. If I may put it that way -- VOMI was only called in after the damage had been done. That is right. QThank you. EXAMINATION BY DR. DOETZER: QWit... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 790,650 | 791,150 |
and Southern Bukowina, the Dubrutscha, from Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia were resettled. The first resettlement which preceded this resettlement was however the resettlement of Germans from Estonia and Latvia. QWitness, you have mentioned Estonia and Latvia twice, why? AYes, two resettlements were carried out. The fir... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 791,100 | 791,600 |
the agreement with the Soviet Union. QI don't think that is quite right, witness, because the so-called incorporated eastern territories were also administered by Germany. AYes, the Wartheland and the areas belonging to Danzig and West Prussia and to East Prussia were not included in the Government General. QWitness, j... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 791,550 | 792,050 |
Behrens tell you? ABehrens told me that it was a matter of resettlement which Humitsch had suggested to him, an intended resettlement. QWho was to be affected by this resettlement? AI asked that too, and in particular I asked what on earth did RSHA have to do with resettlement. He answered that it was not a matter of r... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 792,000 | 792,500 |
out by the local security police and by the chief of the civil administration. Q.You said that Lorenz, when you were at Behrens' place was out of town? A. Yes. Q. Was Lorenz absent a lot from Berlin? A. Yes. Lorenz was travelling quite a lot. Q. Then if Lorenz wanted to find out about the matters of the VOMI, did he ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 792,450 | 792,950 |
this task of the VOMI, namely, to take care of the ethnic Germans -- did this task exist before the war? A.Yes, That was the actual task of the VOMI, to take care of ethnic Germans abroad. Q.In the Document 179, Volume IV D, there is talk of attempts of germanization of North American prisoners of war. Do you know anyt... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 792,900 | 793,400 |
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