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field agency was under the RSHA. A.You are speaking of the RSHA: that is certainly wrong. Q.Well, to whom was the field agency Lodz subordinated? A.Well, it was subordinated to RuSHA. Q.But wasn't it also under the Higher SS and police leader in Poznan? A.No, no main office was under the Higher SS and police leader. Q.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 703,350 | 703,850 |
your questions very short. Witness, you make your answers very short. We will try to finish with him. BY DR. HEIM: Q.Was Schwalm superior to any offices of RuSHA? A.No; no office of RuSHA was subordinated to Schwalm. Q.How do you know that? A.Because most of the offices were no longer in Berlin. Q.As far as his office ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 703,800 | 704,300 |
don't have to listen to what you say but I have to listen to the interpreter. THE PRESIDENT:Well, you answer his questions. A.Could you please repeat the question? Q.I said that in these letters which you read, these people whom, you said were so terribly anxious to get into Germany, the country that was run by Hitler,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 704,250 | 704,750 |
order to you, as the deputy of Koppe, would you have taken that order and carried it out? A.It depends upon the order which he passed on. Q.Now, with reference to the work which you did settling these socalled ethnic Germans that came into Poland. You were mainly interested in seeing that these people were settled and ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 704,700 | 705,200 |
that property. A.No, they never owned these things as long as the working staff was active. As I stated, it was considered a temporary accommodation there, until the final ownership of the property had been clarified to the construction agencies and other authorities. Q.Well, apparently you are not going to answer that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 705,150 | 705,650 |
take place, and from there the police were also notified. Q.In other words, you told the UWZ that you had some resettlers coming in and you wanted some places cleared out so that you could put these resettlers in, and the UWZ had the police do that. That is true, isn't it? A.Well, this happened quite automatically. The... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 705,600 | 706,100 |
of the card index file, just what farms were to be evacuated? A.Yes. That was handled quite independently by the UWZ. DR. MUELLER:Thank you; I have no further questions. DR. FROESCHMANN:I have only one question as a result of the cross examination. BY DR. FROESCHMANN: Q.Witness, you just mentioned the fact that when th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 706,050 | 706,550 |
town for eight semesters. After I left school I went into the banking business, and then I went to sea for several years. Afterwards I again took up my old profession, which I had learned, and in 1935 I became a full-time SS officer. Q.Were you an SS officer in the Race and Settlement Main Office? A.Yes. From 1939, unt... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 706,500 | 707,000 |
the authority to issue instructions in the field of work. Q.Who took care of the factual work of the agency? A.The main departments which had been established for the individual fields of work. Q.And where, in turn, did they receive their instructions? A.Fundamental instructions were issued by the Main Staff Office, an... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 706,950 | 707,450 |
enterprises were to be evacuated? A.Just as in all other cases, this decision was solely made by the UWZ. Q.And when did the large-scale deportations take place? A.During the first month after the outbreak of the war. Q.Did settlements already take place at that time? A.No, they only began later on. Q.The large mass of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 707,400 | 707,900 |
Main Office at Lodz. What was the field of work of that office? A.It was responsible for the field of tasks of the Racial Office within the Race and Settlement Main Office for the Eastern Districts. Q.And what were the tasks of the Race and Settlement leaders in the Eastern Districts? A.Internal tasks within the SS. In... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 707,850 | 708,350 |
have Polish women there who had to wear the "P"-insignia. Q.The extension of the orders of interruption of pregnancy of Polish women only referred to the Polish women who had to wear the "P" insignia? A.Yes, that is what I know from my activity. Q.Do you know whether the Race and Settlement leader or the representative... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 708,300 | 708,800 |
come back for the RuSHA one more time. Then all the RuSHA attorneys could examine him at that time. My idea was just to try to keep the Main Staff Office separated from RuSHA, and I think that is agreeable with them all right and his testimony would be more understandable to the Court and everybody else, I think. THE P... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 708,750 | 709,250 |
the reason you didn't have many resettlers was because there weren't many people whom you wanted to deport from Danzig? A.I can't give you the reason for that. Q.But would you say that the reason they had more in the Warthegau was because they had more people they wanted to get rid of? The reason they had more resettle... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 709,200 | 709,700 |
Huebner was a deputy of Koppe or not, can you? AYes, I can. I can say that because the organization of the different agencies in the individual districts was the same. QWell, you don't know. I mean, you're going on how it was organized in your district. But you can't say that Huebner didn't give orders and that these o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 709,650 | 710,150 |
reason for him to take that action an I couldn't explain to myself why he should want to carry out such examinations. QTherefore I can sum up your testimony to have been that also in the Warthegau, fundamentally orders from higher agencies were obeyed and that at least it was attempted to make them somewhat milder when... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 710,100 | 710,600 |
now reached the end of the presentation of my case in chief. THE PRESIDENT:Well, with reference to the witness, I will simply state that the Tribunal will cross that bridge when it gets to it. Proceed with the next defendant. DR. SCHUBERT:Dr. Schubert for the defendant Lorenz. May it please the Tribunal, I now would li... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 710,550 | 711,050 |
and then they continued until 1932. We were able to bring 20,000 Menonites to Canada to join their relatives. QAnd since when were you a resident of Germany, witness? AI left the United States where I had gone in June of 1920 in October; and on the first of November I returned to the members of my faith in Holland. Her... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 711,000 | 711,500 |
we placed the greatest stress, just like our Baptist, Lutheran and Protestant brethern, that the religious life in the camps, the religious life in our homeland should be brought in order and these two men cooperated with us very well and in every respect they gave us all possible aid and also to the Baptists, the Luth... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 711,450 | 711,950 |
and herr Brueckner, during those days when we had to fight and when we were afraid for our comrades of the same faith, he and Herr Brueckner were a real solace for us. Q.- Witness, that brings me to another point. Is it correct that the racial Germans in Russia based themselves in their claims on a right which had been... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 711,900 | 712,400 |
myself was a candidate for the German Peasants in Tuaria for this constituent assembly, but later this assembly was dissolved. Q.- Witness, may I gather from your answer that the emigration trend which you described as having started in 1923, was based already on the fact that you thought that it would no longer be pos... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 712,350 | 712,850 |
the fate that would await them, and it was not exactly a rose fate. They were afraid of the most severe disciplinary measures which had already struck their brothers. Q.- Witness, do you know the name, Hoffmeyer? A.- He was a deputy and a representative of the Vomi in Russia, I know, but I don't know in detail his powe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 712,800 | 713,300 |
be concentrated in large areas in order to prevent that again and again the Russian people would be made nervous. QWitness, in a few prosecution documents, it is mentioned that as long as the racial Germans in Russia were still down there in Russia, interpreters and domestic workers were recruited amongst them and sent... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 713,250 | 713,750 |
in one area each, if only in order to prevent making propaganda in the orthodox church or against it. Those were colonization areas or settlement areas which were very strictly outlined and limited. QIn other words, in the literature and also in the usual ways of life throughout all these years settlement areas were al... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 713,700 | 714,200 |
approved, and that was a help for us Mennonites. Q.- Professor, I will have to ask you not to make your answers quite so long, because I have a limited time in which to question you, and I would appreciate if you would make them as short as possible. A.- Yes. Q.- Were you in Russia between 1939 and 1945? A.- Since 1920... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 714,150 | 714,650 |
I have to ask you again, Professor, to try to keep your answers as short as possible. A.- Yes. Q.- Speaking of the Jews, you know, don't you, that a great many Jews were exterminated by the Nazis? DR. SCHUBERT:Just a minute, witness. I object against this question Your Honor; it has no connection whatsoever with my dir... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 714,600 | 715,100 |
THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness come to the stand. BY THE PRESIDENT:The witness will raise his right hand and repeat after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The Witness repeated the oath.) Proceed with the examination. WERNERLORENZ, a wit... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 715,050 | 715,550 |
newspapers and by Polish statomen. They expressed it quite openly. That is No. 2. Now, as far as the affidavit is concerned, I have the following to add furthermore and I have to rectify. It is not correct that I became a general of the Waffen SS at the same time as a general of the police. I did not hold these positio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 715,500 | 716,000 |
never. QNow, let us turn to No. 5 of your affidavit. Do you have anything to add there? AWell, you see, oh, yes, I have. When, on the first of January 1937, I became Chief of the Vomi, I was subordinated to the so-called Deputy of the Fuehrer. His name was Hess. And later on I was directly under Hitler's orders, on the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 715,950 | 716,450 |
forces. Also, in disciplinary matters, I had the right to downgrade these people or to prohibit their wearing the uniform. Other disciplinary powers. I did not held. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. It's true that I very often decreed promotions, but never any punishment. Q.Last but not least, according to No. 6 of your aff... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 716,400 | 716,900 |
1945, required my presence in Hamburg very often. Q.Do you have any addition to make concerning 7 of the Affidavit? A.There it says that I had to carry out the deportation of racial Germans and had to see to it that they were transferred to collective camps for the purposes of reGermanization. This formulation is incor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 716,850 | 717,350 |
was completely deactivated during the war and it had no significance whatsoever. My predecessor was the poet, Blunck. The tasks in that field were only in the merely cultural field and it was completely and automatically deactivated because of the war. Q.Is that all what you have to add or correct in the affidavit, Exh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 717,300 | 717,800 |
that time, you were an active general in the Waffen SS? AYes. QWere you this at the moment of capitulation too? AYes, at the moment of the capitulation, I was at the disposal of the chief of the SS personnel office of the Waffen SS, that is General of the Waffen SS von Herfft, H-e-r-f-f-t. QDid you become a P.W.? AYes,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 717,750 | 718,250 |
SS leader and 20 SS men altogether. I asked him about the aims of the SS, I wanted him to explain to me what its tasks were. He told me several things. The main point which then persuaded me -- may I just outline these points quite briefly, several points altogether? The first point, was to find people who were especia... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 718,200 | 718,700 |
QDid you have any differences of opinion with Himmler? A Yes, frequently. From the time on that I went to Hamburg, as I said at the time, it was 1944 - I beg your pardon, 1934. I went to the German Reich for the first time in 1934. I went to the German Reich for the first time as since the first war, I had been in Danz... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 718,650 | 719,150 |
his capacity as RKFDV? AIt grew worse. I frequently told Himmler when I dispersed with him, and again and again asked him to relieve me of my post and to have me drafted for service with the forces. Himmler always refused. I had several disputes with him. I remember a case when I was with the German ethnic group in Rum... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 719,100 | 719,600 |
insane ideas. In addition he did not read the speech but spoke ex tempore and I think, I remember that he spoke about distant aims which couldn't possibly be realized. Q.Did you tell your office about this speech? A.No, it was impossible to discuss this speech or to pass it on. Q.Did you hear speeches in Nek and Bad Sc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 719,550 | 720,050 |
us again this business about the letterhead, and please allow an interval after the question. A.I personally and Behrens used the letterhead "The head" or "deputy head of VOMI", Main Office VOMI, signed "the Reich Commissioner of the Strengthening of Germanism", then underneath that VOMI. The other department only sign... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 720,000 | 720,500 |
the VOMI I was strictly forbidden to deal with Germans outside Europe. Q.In Prosecution Exhibit36, an organization plan of VOMI of 15 June 1944, under Office VI, an Oversead Department is mentioned. Did VOMI perhaps after all concern itself with Germans overseas? A.No. This section was only concerned with issuing ethni... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 720,450 | 720,950 |
however, was immediately superseded by the first basic decree of Himmler as Reich Commissioner, which has been submitted by the Prosecution as Exhibit 21. In this VOMI was entrusted with a definite task, that is the bringing in of ethnic Germans. QKerr Lorenz, at that time did it occur to you that in order to make room... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 720,900 | 721,400 |
and later on by the Gauleiter concerned. QAbout when was the settlement from Estonia and Latvia concluded? AIn about November 1940. QWere all ethnic Germans from Estonia and Latvia resettled by that date? ANo, about ten thousand ethnic Germans remained, in particular members of the higher income groups. Another proof o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 721,350 | 721,850 |
the Red Cross and other organizations, and transported to the reception camps. These camps were also managed by VOMI. QWhat other resettlement on the basis of international treaties took place after this which were carried through in the same manner? AFirst of all, the resettlement from Bessarabia and North Buchenland ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 721,800 | 722,300 |
they received a returnees' pass the way to their resettlement was clean, They were then called away by the Main Staff Office. VOMI did not have the slightest thing to do with all these procedures. QDid VOMI have any connection with the racial examination of resettlers and other people in VOMI camps? ANo. When such comm... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 722,250 | 722,750 |
German ethnic group that is, and on this occasion I pointed out particularly the many-fold guerilla attacks against Germans in Croatia. In this report I most particularly stressed the losses incurred by the racial Germans in Croatia; this is Prosecution Exhibit 251. QAnd what happened on account of Himmler's commission... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 722,700 | 723,200 |
Here again racial Germans arethe only persons involved; and Himmler who according to my recollection on the occasion of a visit had been approached by the leaders of the ethnic group, Karmasin in this condition. As I heard later, the action was later carried out on the strength of an agreement between the Slovakian gov... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 723,150 | 723,650 |
became still more stringent as the years went on and until 1942 by the fact that Himmler established his field command post near Shitomir and, therefore, he was in constant personal contact with Hoffmayer. The VOMI had only to provide Hoffmayer with the replacements of personnel and material. Therefore, of course there... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 723,600 | 724,100 |
QHowever, the Prosecution has submitted Exhibit 256, and there they charge that the area of the northern Caucasus was to be evacuated by the ethnic Germans, and in the teletype mentioned there, you informed Himmler about that. What do you have to say to that? AInasfar as I can recall, the German front at that time bega... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 724,050 | 724,550 |
I don't know either how it came about that such a document was drawn up at the time. QYour testimony concerning the voluntary action, does it refer also to the racial Germans in the entire area? AThe conditions were the same everywhere. QThe VOMI commands in Central Russia and in the Leningrad area, were they subordina... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 724,500 | 725,000 |
large extent, they were filled with Slovenes. However, I could not obtain satisfaction from Himmler. Of course, then I could not throw these people who had been driven away from their homes out of our camps. On the contrary, I took care of them as well as I could. QDid you ever visit VOMI camps when there were Slovenes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 724,950 | 725,450 |
a Slovene from a camp has to be reported and the Slovene and all those who have supported him and his family were to be sent to a concentration camp, what do you know about that? AI do not recall that I over received such an order had been submitted to me then I would have initialed it with my "L". Whatever was submitt... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 725,400 | 725,900 |
At the time, that is during the second half of 1944 and at the beginning of 1945, masses and masses of racial Germans, particularly from Hungary and other southern European countries, poured in together, chased by the advancing Russian armies, and together with the retreating German troops they streamed into Germany. I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 725,850 | 726,350 |
were you connected with the resettlement of ethnic Germans from France? AThe registration of ethnic Germans there was carried out by the responsible military commanders. I know that at a later date, the VOMI had a representative in Paris and he was in charge of the care for the racial Germans in France. QDid you ever c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 726,300 | 726,800 |
now, -- there was a small refugee camp at St. German near Paris for the reception of racial German refugees. Q.- Do you know whether there was a VOMI camp in Wangenhaid, in Austria? A.- No, I don't know that. Q.- The Prosecution charges you that you have been connected with re-Germanization measures. Particularly, they... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 726,750 | 727,250 |
the racial Germans who escaped from the East and the Southeast. Therefore, this matter was no longer carried out, as becomes apparent also from the second letter of December, 1944 quite clearly. QThe Prosecution have submitted several documents, Exhibits 177, 178, and 179, concerning the re-Germanization of prisoners o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 727,200 | 727,700 |
reported to Himmler that the whole matter did not give any results and was just dropped. I think the Prosecution should have that letter, too, but I haven't seen it here. I have seen only that one that the Prosecution has submitted. QDo you know whether the Camp Coblenz just mentioned in that letter waslater handed ove... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 727,650 | 728,150 |
reference to looking after them later. These peoples were later looked after by the regular competent Police and SS Leaders. I don't think that members of Group 4 were transported away from the incorporated Eastern territories, though. Q.In the competency agreement with Greifelt, Exhibit 71, it says under Roman IV, Ara... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 728,100 | 728,600 |
be made that only the welfare was to remain in the hands of VOMI, and Himmler agreed to that. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. Q.In Prosecution Exhibit161, the Reich Commissioner for Germanization held, among other things, reports about the re-Germanization of the deported lower Istrian border population. Are these the Slov... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 728,550 | 729,050 |
as far as I know, it never actually happened because in the meantime Himmler or Koch had ordered that Russian-Germans were not to be allowed to immigrate to Germany. Q.Witness, you mentioned the name "Koch" several times. Who was Koch? A.Koch was the Reich Commissioner for the Ukraine. Q.He had no connection with VOMI?... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 729,000 | 729,500 |
at all it could only be carried out on a legal basis. Such legal basis did not exist, in my opinion, in the case of foreign states unless the corresponding international treaty was signed. When they heard of "call-ups" among the various ethnic groups which had originally been carried out by the agencies of the Waffen S... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 729,450 | 729,950 |
But this had to be put on a sound legal footing, because cases had occurred where, for instance, when racial Germans had reported voluntarily to the Waffen SS and were then treated as deserters by the Roumanian court-martial. All these people caused me again and again to urge the conclusion of international agreements.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 729,900 | 730,400 |
to which such unregulated drafting was not to take place. This agreement was discussed between the German Ministry in Zagreb and the Croat Go-vernment, I was told that further drafting had taken place which was contrary to this agreement. Thereupon I went to Croatia myself and talked to the Minister and to General Glai... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 730,350 | 730,850 |
nor did Behrends inform me of it. I don't know that ethnic Germans were drafted to the Waffen SS in northern France. Q.- In Prosecution Exhibit366, a certain Riemer, of VOMI, asked for the drafting of a certain Benedict in the Reich Commissariat for the Strengthening of Germanism into the Waffen SS. Do you know anythin... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 730,800 | 731,300 |
He didn't have any orders from me and I would assume that he was a member of the Gau Assignment Squad of VOMI in Klagenfurt. Q.- Did you issue any special orders for the accommodation of the Sloven children? A.- When visiting a camp I discovered for the first time that Slovene children were present in VOMI camps. On th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 731,250 | 731,750 |
on the Slovenes. Did you see this. It deals with expulsions from Oberkrain? A.- I don't remember this nor can I imagine that such an internal file note would have been brought to my attention by my colleagues. I would like to state with reference to this that after my return from the camp where I had seen Slovene child... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 731,700 | 732,200 |
agrarian definition small settlements had been formed. These settlements could not provide a living and the settlers had, in many cases, simply abandoned the land. I knew that. I as sumed that these abandoned settlements could provide sufficient funds for a small number of the resettlers. I would like to repeat the las... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 732,150 | 732,650 |
Prosecution also charges you with stealing of church property Prosecution Exhibits 622 to 625. There is correspondence concerning the seizure of church property in Silesia, and reference to the housing of resettlers in 1940. Are you acquainted with this incident? A.- Neither my office nor I ever robbed churches or took... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 732,600 | 733,100 |
deportation. Q.- The IMT Judgment lays down certain kinds of crimes of the SS. What did you know about the persecution and extermination of the Jews? A.- I only heard rumors about the deportation of Jews to the East. I once asked Himmler about it and received the following answer: I was not to bother about things which... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 733,050 | 733,550 |
take measures for the welfare for the s ettlement in the Schitomir district in the Ukraine; did you ever carry out such settlement measures there? A.No, never. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. MUELLER: (Attorney for the Defendant Meyer-Hetling) Q.Witness, I am submitting to you Document 2703-B, Exhibit 206, in Document Book V... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 733,500 | 734,000 |
to Danzig as leader of the new SS sector to be formed there? A.Yes, I remember that. He was in Wiesbaden and then quite suddenly he was taken away from there by Himmler and sent to Danzig, very much contrary to his expressed desire. I remember how Hildebrandt objected all the time and asked to be left in Wiesbaden. Q.A... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 733,950 | 734,450 |
his estate was called Sabbonc; he was a Pole and was not to keep his farm. His wife was a German, and he was always making efforts to stay on his estate. Some decree or another had been published; I didn't know what it was, but any way this Pole Tempski approached me. I got in touch with all the offices concerned and c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 734,400 | 734,900 |
couldn't make the change I wanted. Q.Witness, I am showing you here an earlier draft of your affidavit; the one in evidence was copied from this one with several changes made by you. Will you please look at this draft signed by you. (Witness is offered the document.) Witness, there are approximately 15 changes made in ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 734,850 | 735,350 |
at the time, did you not, witness, that this task was the mass murder of Jews and others whom the SS considered undesirable, did you not? A.No, I didn't know that at all, and I was in Berlin and these Einsatzgruppen it is alleged--I didn't know that either--were to go with our advancing armed forces, but I had no knowl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 735,300 | 735,800 |
Prosecution Exhibit No.822. AI have to read that once. I am sorry, Mr. Prosecutor, this first page is blurred. I can't read it. Don't you have, anything better? Couldn't I have a copy which I can read because I really can't decipher that. But if you tell me what's in it, I will believe you. ( ANother copy is offered to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 735,750 | 736,250 |
see that these people would get work. If I speak of short-term labor commitment, I mean that they could take that job, but they could step whenever they wanted. They didn't have to sign any long-term contracts. That is what I mean. QWitness, will you please look at the next paragraph--at the second sentence in the next... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 736,200 | 736,700 |
short-term labor allocation. For other kinds of labor allocation, I wasn't competent at all, and I couldn't issue any directives in that regard. Q.Thank you, witness. Witness, did you ever have a dispute with the defendant Greifelt as to the jurisdiction over ethnic Germans from VOMI camps who had been assigned to work... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 736,650 | 737,150 |
Now, my question is, in this case was it your duty or was it the defendant Greifelt's duty to prepare this decree for Himmler? A.Well, I can't give you any detailed information. I assume, however, that this document involved the domestic workers who had gone to Germany or wanted to go to Germany voluntarily. As far as ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 737,100 | 737,600 |
dreamy idealist? Impractical. A.No, you really can't say that he was a dreamer or an idealist. What he showed to be and what he told us in the Posen speech, that you can only term -- well, how should I say it? -- I would say that it was the outbreak of a completely crazy man and I think the expression "nuts" I would gl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 737,550 | 738,050 |
question will put you about fifteen minutes over. One more question. MR. SHILLER:If Your Honors please, I have no further questions. I would merely like to submit one document to the witness on this point. Q. witness, will you please look at DocumentNO-2534. A and B, which I now offer together for identification as Pro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 738,000 | 738,500 |
and became a General of the Waffen SS, is that correct? A.I did not go over to the Waffen SS, but I was appointed General of the Waffen SS. In other words, there were no changes in my functions, and I didn't -- well, how should I say it? -- I didn't receive any assignment with the troops. I went on as Obergruppenfuehre... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 738,450 | 738,950 |
please, this witness has made an affidavit for the benefit of the Prosecution. I am referring now to Exhibit 438 in Document Book VIII-C andI am going to ask the witness only about matters contained in the affidavit. CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. SCHUBERT: Q.Witness, will you please state your full name to the Tribunal? A.K... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 738,900 | 739,400 |
they were even molested. Q.Did any one of the grown-ups tell you that they were forced to go to Germany? A.No. MR. SHILLER:May it please the Tribunal, the Prosecution wishes to point out that the affidavit deals merely with children. There is no mention anywhere in it of adults. THE PRESIDENT:Well, since the Tribunal d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 739,350 | 739,850 |
people were fetched with cars of the Hermann Goering Works. Q.Then there is a mention that part of the children came to the Waffen SS? A.That is an error of the typist and I found fault with it at the time and the interrogator told me, "Oh, well, that is only a detail. Otherwise I would have to have it rewritten. It is... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 739,800 | 740,300 |
they were assigned for work, they remained until they were drafted into the armed forces. As far as the transport to Linz is concerned, I asked every single one of them personally whether they wanted to go to Linz or whether they wanted to stay; whoever wanted to stay was allowed to stay and the others were gathered in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 740,250 | 740,750 |
Greifelt, et al, defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 19 Dec. 1947, 0930-1630, the Honorable Lee Wyatt, presiding. THE MARSHAL:The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal I. Military tribunal I is now in session. God save the United States of America and this honorable Tribunal. There will be order in the co... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 740,700 | 741,200 |
law for reorganization of professional civil servants I was given notice. Q.Do you remember the exact date when you were conscripted for emergency reasons? A.On the 9 of November, 1939. Q.What would have happened if you had not followed this emergency conscription? A.The emergency conscription had a legal foundation. I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 741,150 | 741,650 |
was usual in the case of all officers. Q.Did you become a member of the Waffen SS voluntarily? A.No. As far as I know, it is only in 1941 that I was drafted into the Waffen SS as an SS private. In 1943 I became Unterscharfuehrer. That is an NCO rank, as was the case with all people who had been in the World War like my... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 741,600 | 742,100 |
and departmental chief under the deputy chief of VOMI Brigadefuehrer Behrens. During this time my sphere of work was not outlined definitely. The third phase, from about Autumn 1942 to the end of the war. During this time I was in charge of Office 6 of VOMI. Q.Was your work during the first period independent work? A.N... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 742,050 | 742,550 |
the different negotiations with the Soviet Union. Q.In this case were the ethnic Germans forced to resettle or did they do it voluntarily? A.I myself did not take part in this resettlement of Bessarabia and North Buchenland. But I know this resettlement agreement and I know the negotiations with the soviet agencies and... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 742,500 | 743,000 |
Swedes, Lithuanians, Russians and people of Jewish descent too. This meant a definite danger for me at that time. I remember one individual case very well. A Lithuanian Lt. Col. Sukuss came to me; he was being persecuted by the GPU; he asked me to resettle him. There was no way of doing this under contract. What I did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 742,950 | 743,450 |
QDid you make any memoradum or notes about this discussion at the time? AYes, of course; it went into the files. QWas it in your files? AYes, it was in my files. QAt this discussion, this conference, did Behrens give you any instructions in what form the delay might possibly be carried out? AYes, the order was a very d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 743,400 | 743,900 |
have the resettlement dropped altogether could not possibly succeed with Gauleiter Simon so I was limited in my negotiations to delaying tactics. In this discussion on the first day I told Guenzel a good many of our misgivings, and I was able to convince him that these planned resettlement measures were not right. In a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 743,850 | 744,350 |
in Luxembourg? A.No, this is a secret letter which Simon sent to the high command of the Wehrmacht and which was written in 1943. Q.Now, we will abandon the Luxembourg question and pass on to Alsace. On the 7th of October, 1942, you took part in a discussion in the Main Staff Office. It is a discussion mentioned in Exh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 744,300 | 744,800 |
with the approval of the Gauleiter. That is why at my suggestion this question too was narrowed down. It was provided that first of all it should be investigated whether the dependents of these objectors to military service were COURT I CASE VIII in any way to responsible, and then in order to make the circle of people... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 744,750 | 745,250 |
Schoeppke, whom I just mentioned as having been persecuted, and commissioned him to go to Lorraine and collect evidence about Buerkel's deportation measures. Schoeppke did so and thereupon I wrote a very cutting report which the defendant Lorenz then passed on to Himmler. I further saw to it that from the intelligence ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 745,200 | 745,700 |
Himmler? A.- No; on the contrary, he was furious about it, and that is shown by the document too. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will recess for 15 minutes. (A recess was taken.) (The hearing reconvened at 1110 hours.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. HEINZ BRUECKNER - Resumed DIRECT EXAMINATION - Continued TH... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 745,650 | 746,150 |
the field headquarters at Douai. This was a Kriegsverwaltungsrat, an administrative officer in the army, Mueller. Q.- Do you know whether the VOMI carried out any resettlement drive in the area of Douai? A.- I never heard anything about it. Q.- Did the VOMI have anything to do with the regermanization procedure and the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 746,100 | 746,600 |
done by way of the so-called repatriation plenipotentiaries who worked in the German Consulates. Q.- In Prosecution Exhibit694, in Document Book V G, the question of deportations by Gauleiter Buerkel are mentioned. What do you know about that? A.- I have already mentioned before that already at a earlier period of time... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 746,550 | 747,050 |
the subject of the deportation of the Slovenes. Did you have any knowledge of this deportation drive of the Slovenes, or did you even play any part in it? A.- No. Q.- Did you or Office VI of VOMI, which was established in 1948, and of which you were in charge, have to look after the Slovenes who were placed in VOMI cam... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 747,000 | 747,500 |
time. QCan you recall whether at the time in the discussions which you had with Brill you made any notes in the files? AYes. I always took notes. QProsecution Exhibits 679 and 680 in Document Book V G contain a correspondence between the main staff office and yourself. Please describe to us how it came about that the e... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 747,450 | 747,950 |
I cannot recall the details of that matter any more. I only knew one thing. I knew that this reply was given on the basis of an information given by telephone which I had received from Office XI. After all, Office XI actually was competent in this matter. My office, or I myself only replied in this case because we did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 747,900 | 748,400 |
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