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persons employed in Office 5 amount to? A.The staff of Office 5 in 1942 was about 60 or 70 persons. However, towards the end of the war it was reduced considerably. Q.Did your subordinates work in an independent manner? A.The experts in charge accounted independently on a very large scale. Q.Who supervised the activity... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 613,350 | 613,850 |
arising out of bringing the children into homes and schools until such a time until a decree to the contrary was issued. QWhy were these expenses paid by Office V only until a decree stating the contrary was issued? AThis probably was done because the payments for these measures actually was not a part of the task of t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 613,800 | 614,300 |
carried out the transfer of the funds? AThe expert Kohner who was competent for this matter. QCould Office V have prevented or refused to carry out the payments which Greifelt had ordered to be made? ANo. That becomes evident from the Reich Budgetary Decree. QWhat payments were made for the German orphan children who w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 614,250 | 614,750 |
requisitions for funds read? AThe requests for funds read approximately as follows: Please remit to me the amount of such and such figure from the Lebensborn account to that and that bank. QDid the requests for funds contain any further details? ANo. QDid you hear the speech of Himmler at Bad Schachen on the 13th of Oc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 614,700 | 615,200 |
and how was it with the other agencies of the Race and Settlement Main Office? AThe Finance Administration made payments to the field office of RuSHA, which waslocated at Lodz. QFor what reasons were payments made to that agency? ABecause this agency had to take care of the racial examinations of the resettlers and peo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 615,150 | 615,650 |
to have a racial examination given to the infants of eastern workers? ANo. QDuring the time of your activity as an office chief of Office V did it ever come to your knowledge that the infants of eastern workers were subjected to racial examinations? ANo. QDid the racial examiners at Lodz have the authority to give a ra... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 615,600 | 616,100 |
occupied territories and sending them to the Reich for the purpose of having them work there as slave laborers? ANo. QDuring the entire time of your activity in Office V, did you ever receive knowledge of the fact that the funds which were furnished by Office V were to be used for such measures? ANo. QI am now going to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 616,050 | 616,550 |
work in Germany? ANo. QDuring your activity in Office V of the Main Staff Office, did you know that the Main Staff Office had to deal with such tasks? 11 Dec 1947_A_MSD_22_4_Daniels (Garnad) ANo, that was not known to me. QDid Office V furnish funds to any agency for the execution of these measures? ANo. QDid you give ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 616,500 | 617,000 |
trusteeship basis? ANo. QDid you in any way participate in the utilization of seized property on behalf of the resettlers? ANo. QWere funds furnished by Office V for seizure measures of church property or cultural objects? ANo. QDid Office V receive funds for that purpose? ANo. QDid Office V play any part in the seizur... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 616,950 | 617,450 |
the amount of 25,000 Reichsmarks? AYes. QWho ordered this payment to be made? AHimmler had done this in his capacity as Reich Commissar. QWhat steps did you take as a result of Himmler's orders? AI only saw to it that Himmler's orders were carried out and that the 25,000 marks were paid to the German resettlement pleni... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 617,400 | 617,900 |
not the case. QWas the auditing of the treasury a part of your tasks? ANo. QWho had been ordered to carry out the treasury auditing work? AThe officials and employees of the auditing department. QHow many officials belonged to the auditing department? AOffice 5 had 15 to 20 auditing officials. However, the number decre... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 617,850 | 618,350 |
knowledge of what I did in the course of that journey. QWhat was the purpose of this trip to Cracow? AAt the time, together with Councillor Finsterer, I went to Cracow in order to classify the persons who were employed in the office of the Reich Commissar into the various ratings of the civil service decree in the Reic... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 618,300 | 618,800 |
DR. GAWLIK: QI am now coming to point 21 of the Indictment. Did Office V play any part in the deportation of Jews from the occupied and incorporated territories? ANo QDid Office V during the time of your activity in that office ever furnish funds for such measures to any agency? ANo. QDid Office V remit any funds to th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 618,750 | 619,250 |
had been ordered by the field office at Litzmannstadt without my cooperation and without my halving knowledge of this fact. QDid the so-called ghetto drive, which has been mentioned in there documents, have any connection with the deportation and extermination of Jews? ANo, in no way whatsoever. The term "ghetto drive"... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 619,200 | 619,700 |
the first time of the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the SS was charged in that trial? AI heard that during the time of my imprisonment. QThank you, Your Honors, I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any question by counsel for the Defense? BY DR. HAENSEL: (For the defendant Greifelt): QI want t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 619,650 | 620,150 |
for the defendant Meyer-Hetling. BY DR. MUELLER: I only have one more question, Were the resettlements in the occupied Ukraine territory financed by the Main Staff Office or by you? AIn the Ukrain area? No, we never furnished any funds for such a purpose. QI have no further questions. 12 Dec 1947_M_MSD2_3_Gaylord (Gara... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 620,100 | 620,600 |
conferences were brief and these official matters only were discussed. QDid you talk to Brueckner about Brueckner's office activity in VOMI on that occasion? ANo. QDid you have a precise insight into the activities of VOMI? ANo. QBefore this trial did you know about the business distribution plan of VOMI and the activi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 620,550 | 621,050 |
of that sort? AAt the beginning of the trial I was not aware of the difference between resettlers, people who were eligible for re-Germanization, or eligible for Germanization. Consequently, I was unable to know just what categories of people had been accommodated in VOMI camps. The figure of one million I had heard at... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 621,000 | 621,500 |
or whatever oath they give? AYes. QNow, when you went into the Army in 1939 did you receive any kind of a discharge from the SS or did you submit a resignation? AWhenever a man was conscripted into the army his membership in the SS was automatically suspended, as well as his membership in the Party or any other organiz... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 621,450 | 621,950 |
is a document that was issued by you and signed by you, wasn't it? AThis was an internal order to the finance administration which I issued. QThat is right, and that shows that you ruled these 60 or 70 men with an iron hand, doesn't it, and that all correspondence had to be signed by you or by your deputy except very m... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 621,900 | 622,400 |
out in the field. I will ask you whether or not that indicates that you were wrong about that. A.I cannot get the idea at all of that document. The question is discussed here that Main Department 3 is to complete the work of turning over furniture to the resettlers until the end of December , 1942, as far as the accoun... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 622,350 | 622,850 |
that part of your tasks? A.No, I never ordered any furniture. Q.To what extent were you occupied in this procurement of furniture? A.I was only included insofar as the bills would be checked in my office with regard to their correctness and I would give order for payment. Q.And the furniture , the payment of which you ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 622,800 | 623,300 |
result of your activity did you have any contact with the Main Staff Office? A.Yes. Q.On what occasion did this happen? A.In the course of the negotiations regarding the budget we had to deal with the Main Staff Office. Q.What was involved in these negotiations? A.Funds had to be furnished for the carrying out of the t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 623,250 | 623,750 |
between various intervals of time; one before Schwarzenberger took over the management and the other for the period during which Schwarzenberger was active in the management? AYes, the distinction has to be made. The funds were made available via the extraordinary budget in accordance with the regulations of the Reich ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 623,700 | 624,200 |
this was in line with the facts. Then Schwarzenberger had to issue the directive as far as the treasury was concerned, and to issue directives that the treasury pay these amounts and he had to explain in this connection whether the request remained within the limits given by the budget. That was all the influence he ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 624,150 | 624,650 |
October, 1939 which I have already mentioned, and from the application of the decrees and regulations of the Reich which I have also already mentioned; decrees and regulations intended for the top level Reich agencies; Reich economic regulations, Reich budget decrees and Reich treasury decree. Q.Who would have placed t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 624,600 | 625,100 |
for the Defendant Greifelt) Q.Landesdirector, how did you make Herr Greifelt's acquaintance? A.I made Herr Greifelt's acquaintance during the negotiations concerning questions pertaining to the budget of Main Staff Office. Q.Can you remember about when you made his acquaintance and how long ago? 1939 is the decree ther... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 625,050 | 625,550 |
to do with the payments made by the Reich Treasurer. The Reich Main Treasury was only and alone the central Reich payment agency for the funds of the Reich Ministry of finance. QNow, the defendant Schwarzenberger was an efficient finance man, wasn't he? ASchwarzenberger was a financial expert of no great scope. He woul... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 625,500 | 626,000 |
by the law, and so forth and so on. That is ture, isn't it? AYes, that is correct. QTherefore, if you are seeing whether or not an expenditure was legal, why you have got to see what the expenditure was made for, haven't you? Just answer me yes or no; you can explain that later, because I haven't but just a few minutes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 625,950 | 626,450 |
again, is that this designation of financial plenipotentiary did not 12 Dec 1947 M_MSD_9_4_Daniels (Treidell) exist for the Reich Ministry of Finance in that connection. MR. LAMB:We have no further questions. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. GAWLIK: QWitness, the question of accounting and auditing was touched upon in the c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 626,400 | 626,900 |
from the receipts and from the checking. A.The expenditure was listed in the books as money paid to some field agency in general, for instance, for medical care in some resettler camp. If this item was not found fault with, the matter was settled. However, if the item was found fault with, then the individual receipts ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 626,850 | 627,350 |
in the Main Staff Office. In 1941, in June, I was transferred from the Reich Ministry of Finance to the office of the Reich Commissar--not upon my own initiative, and without my knowledge. Q.Where did you work before that? A.Until 1941 I worked in the Government's Main Treasury at Ansbach as a senior tax inspector. Q.I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 627,300 | 627,800 |
of the Main Staff Office? A.Well, he had the management in Office V. But in the field agencies there were, again, the so-called administrative leaders who had been appointed. These administrative leaders, again, had directives which they had to comply with in their activities. They could only make decisions on their ow... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 627,750 | 628,250 |
of an economic year had been split up on the strength of the so-called budget statement, and they had been granted on the strength of that project. This budget could not be exceeded as far as the economy and as far as the expenditure were concerned. QWhat primary requisites had to be complied with for individual paymen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 628,200 | 628,700 |
agencies I couldn't see at all times; but I still think that it was impossible because the administrative leaders of the agencies had also their plans established already and it was directed to them what expenditures could be made. It would be advisable and desirable if such a budget project could be submitted to me or... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 628,650 | 629,150 |
kept in the official offices of Office V. Besides that, the audit court may have been forced to take this measure because for reasons of lack of personnel the preliminary checking could not be carried out of Office V. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will recess for 15 minutes. (A recess was taken.) Court No. I, Case No. VII... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 629,100 | 629,600 |
the funds had been put? ANo, it could not be seen. QDid Schwarzenberger audit these bills himself? ANo, this work was much too extensive. After all, there were a large number of field offices and the proof of payments which had been made amounted to thousands with some field offices alone, we can say that it would be a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 629,550 | 630,050 |
workers? ANo, I never saw such material at all. If I had seen material of that kind I would recall it; it would have been something quite special, and I cannot imagine that this work would have come within this field of work of the Reich Commissar. QDid Office V ever furnish funds for the purpose of taking away the inf... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 630,000 | 630,500 |
5 was it generally known that the DAW, the German Equipment Works, operated, a concentration camp? AI couldn't know that and I don't think that any of the others knew it. After all, I didn't even know what DAW stood for. The Furniture Procurement Agency gave orders to a large number of firms in Germany who manufactured... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 630,450 | 630,950 |
I know, also received subsidies but certainly not for that purpose. QDid you ever ascertain anything of that sort in the material which you audited? ANo. By subsidies I mean that they receive some payment and, of course, they don't check these funds with the office of the Reich Commissar, They couldn't do that. QDid Of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 630,900 | 631,400 |
that we were carrying out auditing work in that area at the administrative Court No. I, Case No. VIII. office at Cracow. QWhat did you state with regard to the travel expenses for your journey? AI could write nothing else in there but that I carried out the treasury auditing at Cracow. QWhat did Schwarzenberger write t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 631,350 | 631,850 |
importance the mail did go through his office, did it not? AWell, the correspondence would go through his office. However, when payments were concerned then he would use his deputy. QYes. Now, when these different organizations who received money through Office 5 wanted to fix a budget for their next financial year, th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 631,800 | 632,300 |
awfully cheap? A.I only heard about that on one occasion and that is the first time that I heard of the DAW, the German Equipment Works. And I heard for the first time about this fin and I heard for the first time that this firm employed inmates. It was the very first time. However, otherwise they did not become eviden... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 632,250 | 632,750 |
LAMB:I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Anything on redirect? DR. GAWLIK:Only one question, your Honor. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. GAWLIK: Q.Witness, when the treasury was discovered at Lodz, had the furniture been sold at that time? A.You must imagine this: If the man Reichert discovered that some sort of a t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 632,700 | 633,200 |
drafted I took over the auditing of the treasury. Q.What did you have to do as Director of the Treasury? A.As the man in charge of the Treasury I had to look after posting accounts in the banks and I had to deal with the cash book and to supervise the bookkeeping and the monthly accounting of the Main Treasury. Q.Did a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 633,150 | 633,650 |
of enemy Nationals? A.No, I never heard of that. Q.From the material which passed through your hands did it become evident that the Treasury was making payments for the forcible deportation of enemy Nationals? A.No. Q.Did the Office Treasury ever make payments for putting into effect of the German People's List? A.No, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 633,600 | 634,100 |
once received the amount of three million. Q.Wait just a minute now. I want you to answer my question as I ask them to you and try to be responsive, please. A.Will you repeat the question once more. Q.You remember those agencies just named to you, Do you know what they did with the money they received from Office 5? A.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 634,050 | 634,550 |
of booking and my activity and monthly accounting with the Reich Main Treasury. QSchwarzenberger knew more about these other organizations than you did didn't he? AWell, I must assume that. QHe was in charge of Office 5 and all the correspondence had to go through him, didn't it? AI am quite certain of that as far as f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 634,500 | 635,000 |
discussion took place. QWitness, don't only tell us what you heard; we only want to know what you know of your own knowledge. We don't want any conclusions or assumptions. Did any other written material arrive from that Office 5 from any other agency outside of the accounts which you rendered? ANo. QIs it consequently ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 634,950 | 635,450 |
anything else now? DR. GAWLIK:No, I have nothing else right now. For the time being I have concluded the presentation of my case. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the next defendant. MR. LAMB:May it please the Tribunal, I don't see the attorney for Meyer-Hetling in the court room but he had one more witness that ha was going... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 635,400 | 635,900 |
long did you work down there? A.I am still working in that institute today. Q.What kind of work did you have to take care of in the Research Council -- not so quick with the answer; don't forget the interval. A.In my activity in the Research Council at the university I had to take care of the clerical work. Q.I told yo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 635,850 | 636,350 |
the mail addressed to him personally for the planning office. For the rest he received only such mail of the planning office as the experts thought fit to submit to him because it was important. QWhat about the mail of the Central Land Office? AIf I have to speak the truth, I never saw the mail of the Central Land Offi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 636,300 | 636,800 |
QDid Gebert once say to you that he reported to Professor Meyer-Hetling concerning the results of the Monday Conferences, or that he talked them over with him? ANo. QNow, what about the afternoon? ADuring the afternoon, most of the time, Professor Meyer spent the hours in his institute for Agricultural Research, or he ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 636,750 | 637,250 |
broad outlines? AYes, I do remember that mention was made of rural planning, with very high expenditures for material, and there was also an estimate for the expense of a project, the creation of main villages and the way they ought to be built. However, this was quite a number of years back, and only that has clung to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 637,200 | 637,700 |
Institute or in the Research Service. QDo you recall that on one occasion Professor Meyer was summoned to the Kreisleiter? AI cannot remember that. QDo you remember the disputes he had with the Ortsgruppe at Dahlem? AYes. This Ortsgruppe demanded that Professot Meyer take part in the Party assemblies, but, as I have al... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 637,650 | 638,150 |
on another occasion one Herr Noye, came to see Professor Meyer in this connection. Q.I see. You are still working in that agency, aren't you? I mean today, in the Research Service. A.No, no, not in the Research Service, only in the university. Q.Were you an employee of the university at that time? A.I became an employe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 638,100 | 638,600 |
by the SS. Isn't that true? A.Well, I can't say that. Professor Meyer never discussed these matters with me. He never discussed concentration camps. Q.Just a moment ago you stated you knew that he had knowledge-I will change that. You stated that you knew that he took care of all of his friends who got in trouble. Now,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 638,550 | 639,050 |
who used to work for the Central Land Office? AYes. QAnd Mund had to resign on account of his health, didn't he? AWell, yes, as far as I know, he was sick for a period of time. QAll right. Now, Gebert didn't have any dealings to amount to anything with the defendant Greifelt, who was head of the Main Staff Office, did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 639,000 | 639,500 |
defendant ever make any remarks to you concerning the conditions in concentration camps? Did he know about these conditions? ANo. QThank you. Was Dr. Gebert deputy of the defendant in the Planning Office? AYes. QDid Dr. Gebert represent the defendant in any other capacities? ANot that I know of. QOh, you don't know it?... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 639,450 | 639,950 |
transferred to Munich, then to the Bavarian Vereinsbank, and there I was an independent expert in a department. At the end of 1923, they had to release people for questions of economy because of the currency reform and the scarcity of money caused by it. It was felt generally in commerce and industry that the staff had... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 639,900 | 640,400 |
my activity was terminated and that was about in October, 1934. Then I found a job with the Labor Office at Herzfeld in the department for labor location exchanges. In spite of the fact that normally I was quite satisfied with my activities in that job, the prospects for the future were very low. Q.But wouldn't you hav... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 640,350 | 640,850 |
practical questions of settlement. However, an independent activity I did not exercise because, after all, I was still a novice and worked only to get acquanited with matters. Q.As far as activity in the Race and Settlement Main Office, was membership in the SS or the Nazi Party decisive or was it even a primary requis... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 640,800 | 641,300 |
the RuSHA in Berlin to be released. However, this was refused. Q.Now, how were you put to use? A.I received the commission to draw up an allocation plan for the farmer experts in the agencies of the General SS. Q.Well, what was the meaning of these farmer experts? A.The Orts District and Kreis-Peasant leaders were to b... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 641,250 | 641,750 |
that I would like to make the quite general statement concerning the tasks of the Race and Settlement Leader as they were conceived at that time, as already the official designation indicates "SS Leader in the Race and Settlement", his competency covered questions of race and questions of settlement. Those fields of ta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 641,700 | 642,200 |
and found myself to be director of several selection boards of the Waffen SS in central, South and Southwest Germany. Q.Didn't you have to have any previous racial knowledge to exercise such an activity? A.The Chairman of such boards generally did not have to have any racial scientific basis or knowledge because after ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 642,150 | 642,650 |
United States of America against Ulrich Greifelt, et al, defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 15 December 1947, 6930-1630, the Honorable Lee Wyatt, presiding. THE MARSHAL:The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal I. Military Tribunal I is now in session. God save the United States of America and this Honor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 642,600 | 643,100 |
the arguments. The Tribunal is now being required to use Saturdays and nights studying this record. The Christmas holidays will include about twelve days only two of which are really legal holidays. This time the Tribunal will very largely use in studying the record. We suggest the like procedure on the part of counsel... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 643,050 | 643,550 |
that is not absolutely correct. I was transferred from RuSHA to another office in Posen. Q.After you reached Posen did you still have ties and responsibilities for your RUS Office in Stuttgart? A.I had already stated that the RUS Office in Posen at the outbreak -- you mean in Stuttgart? Q.Yes, I mean in Stuttgart. A.I ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 643,500 | 644,000 |
and discussed orally. This decree was to form the foundation for our work. This was the Fuehrer Decree for the Strengthening of Germanism, dated 7 October 1939, submitted by the Court No. I, Case No. VIII. Prosecution as Exhibit No. 20 in Document Book II-B. We were also shown a decree by the Plenipotentiary of the Fou... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 643,950 | 644,450 |
of Polish farms, if necessary, would be carried out by the police. QYou said just now that the heads of the labor staffs assisted the Landrate. Now, would you explain quite briefly what sort of an authority the Landrat is? AThe Landrat was the newest administrative office or administrative authority in the Reich Admini... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 644,400 | 644,900 |
from one of the people present, as to whether the labor staff leaders had the right to issue orders to the police, Koppe said that the labor staff had nothing whatsoever to do with police jobs and that these were completely separato from settlement matters, that the Inspector of the Security Police and SD had set up a ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 644,850 | 645,350 |
attached there from the Reich Food Office. In addition, there were a number of representatives of students from all faculties as auxiliary workers. QWhat does one understand, in general, by Labor Staff? What was its position? AThere was a labor Staff in every district of the Warthegau; there were 36 of them altogether.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 645,300 | 645,800 |
maps we needed. First of all, we made maps just showing the roads, plans of villages, plans of communities, and of districts. As soon as the ice and snow had gone, the proper work of registering the farms was started. Every single farm was registered in every detail, on so-called farm maps. House by house, farm by farm... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 645,750 | 646,250 |
the Polish campaign, large parts of the population had already fled in 1939. Almost all the farms, and a large number of the large estates had been evacuated by their owners and abandoned; others had been cleared as a result of evacuation measu issued by all sorts of agencies and offices. Therefore, when their work sta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 646,200 | 646,700 |
farms. In the meantime, the settlement staff in Lodz had issued instructions that the plans of the farms which were made to sent in, community by community, to the Lodz settlement staff, and that took place. A few years later a commission came to the district of Leslau, consisting of the deputy head of the settlement s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 646,650 | 647,150 |
had been taken what farms could be evacuated. How did the procedure continue? A. In the Settlement Staff the data about the resettlers had in the meantime arrived, and these data gave detailed information about everything concerning the resettler. It gave details about his personal nature, his training or skill, status... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 647,100 | 647,600 |
was too poor to represe*---* a suitable exchange for the property the resettler had left behind. In gone the condition of these farms and in particular the condition of the building was so bad that without thorough repairs one could not expect anybody to live in huts of this kind. In addition the Ostland, which adminis... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 647,550 | 648,050 |
single purpose of work, but was in general usage applied as a sort of general term. This word resettlement included the evacuation from the resettler's old home, from the time when he left home up to and including his settlement in a now place in his new home. This total process was called resettlement. This term reset... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 648,000 | 648,500 |
I wasn't at the time, at a period when I wasn't even in the East yet. QI will turn later back to the question of evacuations. Anyhow, as far as your present testimony is concerned, I understood it to the effect that your tasks were those of a working staff, and this task was to house the resettlers committed to the dis... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 648,450 | 648,950 |
resettlers, after all, had been compelled to leave almost all their holdings in the countries they had left and had come ever with very little personal belongings to Germany. On the other hand, they had legal claim to be indemnified for what they had left in the countries they came from. The farms placed at the disposa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 648,900 | 649,400 |
Settlement Companies." QIn what manner were these Peasant Settlement Companies called into the development? AShortly after the resettlers had been housed provisionally by the working staff, the settlement company started its activity and they had their own agency in every district. They checked the economic conditions ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 649,350 | 649,850 |
strength of a committment contract, is that correct? AYes. QNow would it happen too that resettlers did not conclude such a commitment upon contract? AYes, that would happen once in a while too. In such cases where the resettler was not satisfied with estate or in any case where he didn't want to take the estate for so... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 649,800 | 650,300 |
was appointed head of the working staff in Schroda. QWhat was your work in Schroda? AThe same work as in Leslau. The superior office was just no longer the settlement staff in Lodz, but the settlement staff in Posen. QWere you also dealing with resettlers from Wolhynia and Galicia there too? AExcept for a few Baltic Ge... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 650,250 | 650,750 |
to confirm these facts, I will submit in my document books some affidavits deposed by these persons. QNow, were the evacuating Poles allowed to take their moveable property with them? AYes, that was expressly ordered and announced at the time. I believe I remember that in the first exchange settlements this was carried... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 650,700 | 651,200 |
They were very demanding and were not easily satisfied. I had built up a welfare apparatus in my office, which worked very carefully; according to a welfare system which I had thought out, it systematically and very carefully benefited even the very last and least of the settlers. On the occasion of an inspection Koppe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 651,150 | 651,650 |
settlement staff could order that on a certain date a certain number of resettlers were to be brought in and settled in a certain district; that was in their competency. It could not determine what resettlers were to be brought to which district. Decisions of this kind lay with the higher agency. This activity of the s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 651,600 | 652,100 |
settlement questions or measures of any size took place. QWas there no settlement at all at this time? AI can remember for certain that the Settlement Staff at this time dealt only with questions of accommodating a few individual families of the Bessarabian group. These families came, arrived singly, in single transpor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 652,050 | 652,550 |
the work in general, and he thought this would be a great benefit for the whole office. When I again raised doubts, he interrupted me and said, Herbert, you are tired. QAnd then, when did you deputize and take over this job as Doering's deputy? AI think it was the 6th of June, 1941; it was certainly at the beginning of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 652,500 | 653,000 |
and a deputy in his capacity as RKFDV plenipotentiary. QWho was this deputy? AThe deputy to the plenipotentiary of the RKFDV was whoever happened to be the higher SS and police leader. QAnd who was this actually in Posen? AFrom 1939 to 1943 this was Obergruppenfuehrer Koppe; then, for a short time Obergruppenfuehrer Be... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 652,950 | 653,450 |
it at the time? AThe organization of the office of the RKFDV in Posen was in the main adjusted to the central office of the RKFDV in Berlin, that is the various departments corresponded to the main departments of offices of the central agency in Berlin. If I remember rightly, the department in Posen at the time or the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 653,400 | 653,900 |
see to the welfare of the Baltic Germans, since this was solely the job of the Posen office, and they only looked after the ethnic groups which they had treated themselves. The Posen office on the other hand restricted itself exclusively to looking after the Baltic Germans, and referred applicants from other ethnic gro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 653,850 | 654,350 |
instance, with, figures of motor vehicles. All these departments, the work of which had to serve all the main departments together, I concentrated on the staff department of which I was the head, and so the main departments were freed of all administrative tasks and became purely expert specialized departments. The off... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 654,300 | 654,800 |
put together the groups of settlers in detail in accordance with the general division made by the Main Staff Office. Then there was a regulation of transportation, baggage, examination of the right to be settled, and approval to settle in individual cases and issuing passes. A very important question was the accommodat... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 654,750 | 655,250 |
housed outside the Main Office, I had no clear insight into its way of working, and as a result, I can't say much about cooperation and competency in detail. For the whole of this time, I, myself, was there perhaps only twice. The procurement of furniture, household equipment, clothing and all the requirements of the s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 655,200 | 655,700 |
had also to clear up all legal questions connected with land and dealings with the courts arising out of it and with the senior finance presidents. Q.After this survey of the tasks of the various departments, I think that what follows will be more easily understood. In what way were orders issued? Did Himmler issue his... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 655,650 | 656,150 |
verbal discussions to the Main Department and their workers. To the Settlement and working Staffs, his instructions usually went in writing. Often in passing on orders to the above mentioned offices, he made use of me. Q.What was the position of the Main Offices? A.The Main Offices received instructions in all importan... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 656,100 | 656,600 |
draft to Koppe. Koppe agreed to put it into effect temporarily but only shortly afterwards recalled this permission with the reason that it needed changing in some points, but that never happened. Such contradictory behavior lay in Koppe's character. He hated being tied down in his measures and that is why many things ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 656,550 | 657,050 |
Staff Office in Berlin, and there I had to clear up important matters in my own sphere of work or I had to discuss them there after we talked to Koppe about them. Q.How about the mail distribution at your office? A.The mail reached the Central Post Office. There it was distributed, that is, Koppe received the mail inte... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 657,000 | 657,500 |
they would be drawn up in the agency. Q.A while ago you spoke of organizational measures on a larger scale. What were your tasks in that field? A.There my tasks were many fold. In the interest of a rational working procedure it was often necessary to split up fields of tasks or to concentrate individual expert departme... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 657,450 | 657,950 |
personnel policy was so extremely difficult. We were an agency which had been completel newly set up within a very short period of time, and therefore we could not base ourselves on the support of a staff of trained and reliable employees and officials, as would have been the case in the older government agencies or ad... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 657,900 | 658,400 |
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