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had become accustomed to it, organizationally speaking, to the extent that the agencies of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism could slowly but surely be diminished and have the main burdens taken away from them. At the beginning of 1943 considerable releases of personnel were brought about by the dr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 658,350 | 658,850 |
the SS members within my agency, this attempt failed because the number of SS members in my agency was quite insignificant. QCan you tell me how many of the male members of the agency of the Plenipotentiary of the RKFDV were members of the SS? AI estimate about 5 percent at the most. QWhat about the managing employees ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 658,800 | 659,300 |
certain number of people. but I left the large majority of the Poles in the agency. I reported to my superior agency, but this report was knowingly falsified and it camouflaged the real situation. In this way I could secure an existence for quite a number of Poles. QIn the long run, could you keep such a measure secret... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 659,250 | 659,750 |
gave me the order to check this welfare and care and make current reports to him about it. I had had considerable experience for this task from my previous work, and I was certainly fit for the task too. QWhat, in detail, did this care activity consist of? AIt covered the whole sphere of personal life of the resettler.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 659,700 | 660,200 |
my power of conviction and persuasion to bring into the field all the other agencies which could be taken into consideration at all, and to have them take an interest in this care, and to incite them to practical collaboration in that field. QWhat agencies and government agencies are involved here; I mean those which y... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 660,150 | 660,650 |
department. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. QWell, before you do that, let's deal with another question. Did you have sufficient experience and knowledge at all in order to be able to supervise and have an insight into the work in the various main departments and, if necessary, to intervene there? AThrough my activity in v... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 660,600 | 661,100 |
I had a certain training were immaterial for the work of this department, because the financial matters were taken care of only and alone by the DUT, and the DUT was not part of the Posen agency. The directives concerning the factual work of this department were taken care of by the corresponding office in Berlin, and ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 661,050 | 661,550 |
matter very much in detail; while for the many factual other tasks of the main departments, I took as little interest in them as in those of the other main departments. Q.- May I here refer to the testimony of the witness Dr. Stier who has already confirmed these statements. In other words apart from your sphere of wor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 661,500 | 662,000 |
case to another. Q.- What about the so-called working staff leader meetings? Who ordered these meetings to take place, and how did they carry on? A.- As I just said they were ordered by Koppe from one case to another, and they were called by him or once in a while by myself, by orders of Koppe. In order to prepare an a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 661,950 | 662,450 |
on page 90 of the German, which is a chart of several agencies at Lodz which Koppe supervised in his capacity as deputy plehipotentiary of the RKFDV in Posen. Is this chart in line with the facts? A.- No, not at all. Q.- Why and what is incorrect there? A.- Neither the VOMI nor the EWZ ever were in any manner subordina... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 662,400 | 662,900 |
Because he had no time to deal with the work of the RUS leader. Gloystain had quite a number of tasks in quite a large circle. Apart from the administration of a larger agricultural enterprise, these works took his full time up and did not leave him much time for the RUS tasks. Apart from that, he lived 200 kilometers ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 662,850 | 663,350 |
dealings were then forwarded to the agency of the RKFDV. Q.- The number of your collaborators in the RUS Agency, Posen, did it always remain on the same low lever? A.- When there was a considerable drafting, then once in a while it would be increased to two or three, but when this wave had passed, then there was no wor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 663,300 | 663,800 |
are not known to me. Q.- The local sphere of activity of the agency in Lodz, did it include the local sphere for which you were RUS leader? A.- Yes, the whole Warthegau. Q.- Was the field agency in Lodz also competent for the whole sphere of activity of other RUS leaders? A.- No. For Danzig, Western Prussia and for Upp... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 663,750 | 664,250 |
only know the broad outlines of the work of the field agency. I don't know sufficient expert information in this matter in order to give you details. Q.Did the agency of the RUS leader at Posen participate in the tasks of the field agency at Lodz? A.No, that does not come into consideration because we just helped each ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 664,200 | 664,700 |
to you a document. This is Prosecution Exhibit No. 45, DocumentNO 1402in Document Book 2-C on page 37 in the German. Did you make a conference concerning ethnic questions at this meeting? A.No. Q.Do you know who made that conference concerning ethnic questions? A.Yes, I know. The conference was held by the Gauamtsleite... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 664,650 | 665,150 |
had beenattached to the Standarte of the General SS. The field of activity of this welfare detachment covered only and alone the district and the circle of the SS. Thereby the main wieght of the activity of theRUS agency was shifted clearly towards care and welfare measures. QDid you keep this field of activity until t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 665,100 | 665,600 |
official capacity do you know this document? ANo, the address shows already that it was not forwarded either to the agency in which I worked. QIn the same document book 8-B on page 9 of the German you will find the two Prosecution Exhibits 406 and 407. Do you know these documents from your official capacity? AI cannot ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 665,550 | 666,050 |
page 156 of the German. AThat is as far as that is correct in regard to other field agencies of the RKFDV I don't know but as far as the agency of the plenipotentiary in Posen was concerned particularly during the time where I was Staff Leader there that does certainly not apply. QDid the RUS agency at Posen deal with ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 666,000 | 666,500 |
were there Eastern workers as referred to here in this document? A.- No. There were no Eastern workers in the Warthegau. There were only female Eastern workers in Germany proper. That was a well-known fact, apparently for the reason that in the territories with mixed population the alien part of the population was not ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 666,450 | 666,950 |
if only for the reason that quite apparently this refers to conditions in Germany proper. The decree was forwarded and distributed only to the Higher SS and Police Leaders. An RUS leader as representative of the Higher SS and Police leader in the capacity as representative of the RKFDV basically existed only in the are... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 666,900 | 667,400 |
such questions of evacuation, as little as that would apply to the working and resettlement staffs. Such evacuations certainly would have caused considerable expenditure but even in the budget of the agency no funds had been appropriated for such evacuations. Q.- Did you hear perhaps from Koppe or from Greiser and did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 667,350 | 667,850 |
and for all my collaborators, however, there was not the slightest shadow of a doubt that the agency responsible for this matter was the chief of the Security Police and the SD. The order for the individual evacuations was a matter for the UWZ to decide as I have already explained. QWas this competency always maintaine... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 667,800 | 668,300 |
of the Black Sea were escaping from the Russian Armies. Therefore, they were to be housed and placed in the Incorporated Eastern Territories and this settlement drive was generally known under the name of Drivefor the Germans of the Black Sea. QNow, this reception of the Black Sea Germans, wasit preceded by an agreemen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 668,250 | 668,750 |
wireless. The so-called important directives were published through the same channels, when they were issued by the department of the Reichstatthalter, only in so far as they concerned the Black Sea action. Q.Did the resettlement staff also receive information of these orders? A.As the Kreisleiters alone had a line on ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 668,700 | 669,200 |
Q.Was that done by the labor exchanges? A.There was an order of Himmler's which specifically prohibited the labor exchanges from intervening in these matters when jobs were found for the refugees who were Germans from the Black Sea. Therefore, the work procurement in these cases was done by the Kreisleiters or their ag... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 669,150 | 669,650 |
which circumstances work locations had to be made free of the Poles who had worked there up to that point. This decree was forwarded to the Kreisleiters by wireless. Q.As to this decree which was forwarded by wireless, was it entered in one of the execution regulations you have already mentioned, these summarized regul... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 669,600 | 670,100 |
either, because it was not competent for the labor allocation of Poles. QCould the agency of the representative of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism on its own initiative issue any directives about how Polish labor was to be selected for labor allocation in France or in Germany proper? ANo. QWhy no... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 670,050 | 670,550 |
Roman I, the arabic letter 3 of the document, states that the lists of persons to be deported were to be sent to the UWZ. Was this actually already in order for a deportation measure to be carried out? ANo, a special order would have had to be issued for that. QAnd why do you think so? AThe UWZ received its orders excl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 670,500 | 671,000 |
Document Book V-A, which is before you now, please take a look at Page 75 of the German. This is Exhibit 210, DocumentNO-3437. Did you have any knowledge of this correspondence? A.No. Q.Did you work out the draft for this letter? A.No. Q.Was this done by the competent main department? A.I don't know that. In general, t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 670,950 | 671,450 |
living -- ethnic Germans -- or Poles. Both fractions of the population had the Polich nationality. For this reason, the separation between Germans and Poles was much easier to carry out than in any other areas. Q.In the Warthegau, was the separation between German and Polish national characteristics ever carried out --... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 671,400 | 671,900 |
themselves with legal property title questions of members of the DVL. Can you give us any details about that? A.I can recall that representatives of Main Department I took part in revisional negotiaions at the Central Agency of the DVL. Q.And what was the purpose of this participation? A.They probably participated so t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 671,850 | 672,350 |
the re-Germanization of people or did you have these measures carried out? AI have already testified repeatedly that I did not examine any foreigner whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever. I never issued any such instructions to my collaborators. QWho was actually carrying out these re-Germanization procedures? AThe re-... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 672,300 | 672,800 |
to see, to look into the factual work which was done by the individual departments, since I was not responsible for it. However, I still considered it impossible because in some way or another I would have found out about it any way. QI am now going to put to you Prosecution DocumentNO-1402; this is Exhibit 45, in Docu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 672,750 | 673,250 |
approve this matter. After all he wanted these resettlers to be placed in these enterprises. QHow was it in the case of purchasing contracts? AWho sold, whether the HTO or the DUT, I don't know; however, if in such cases the approval of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism was necessary, then the man ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 673,200 | 673,700 |
posting at the bulletin board, however, were not submitted to me. However, in spite of this they still would have come to my attention even if they had not been passed on to me before. After all, frequently and regularly I would make an inspection trip through the entire building, and I would take a look at the individ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 673,650 | 674,150 |
was arrested; his name was Hotho, and I did this even though he was a local group leader in the NSDAP. In another case the head of labor staff had taken movable furniture from uninhabited Polish houses into his custody so that he would be able to protect it from theft. Subsequently, however, he did not only use these o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 674,100 | 674,600 |
to his position, I interfered and I saw to it that Lilienthal was eventually punished. QWere yoy authorized to interfere in this matter? AI would point out such corruption wheever I took care of my tasks of accomodating resettlers. I considered it to be my duty to see to it that such parasites were punished, no matter ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 674,550 | 675,050 |
the refugees from the Black Sea area, the depots of the working staffs of furniture and household goods were well filled. They were so well stocked that besides the requirements for resettlers, we were also able to give a large number of furniture and household goods to people who had suffered bomb damage. Therefore, i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 675,000 | 675,500 |
namely, these eighteen? ANo. QWhat was the reason for this demolition being carried out? AThese were quite regular measures which were carried out for traffic reasons or for reasons of minicipal construction. For example, the Government President of Lodz in the year 1940 or 1941 had some houses broken down in order to ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 675,450 | 675,950 |
ASometime later -- it may have been in early October, 1944 -- I went to Lodz together with Reinefarth in order to attend some sort of a meeting. Later on at the agency of the settlement staff at Lodz a discussion took place, and besides Reinefarth and myself Hirschboeck and Dr. Lindner also participated. Hirschboeck to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 675,900 | 676,400 |
to be present here during the proceedings as defense counsel and it is quite impossible for us to double our personality in order to be at the disposal of talking with the witnesses and with the Prosecution at the same time. Tomorrow the witness Dietz is being called and yesterday evening I had made an agreement with c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 676,350 | 676,850 |
yesterday will be ready tomorrow morning, so with all of our fingers crossed, we will start again in that court room in the morning. Proceed with the examination of the witness. HERBERT HUEBNER -- Resumed DIRECT EXAMINATION (continued) BY DR. DURCHHOLZ: Q.This morning we interrupted the examination when you, witness, s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 676,800 | 677,300 |
at that time the Posen agency no longer existed. Q.Well, how do you explain to yourself the testimony of the witness Hofmann that you attended another conference in the room of Schwarzenberger? A.After the Office Chiefs' conference which was mentioned before I discussed with Schwarzenberger in his room concerning perso... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 677,250 | 677,750 |
wanted to find a link with the tradition of the old German Order or old Teutonic Order which asked for a chivalrous attitude and conception. Q.Did the Old German Order have the Teutonic Knights? Did this German Order have an anti-Semitic tendency? A.The Young German Order had no National tendency and had no antiSemitic... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 677,700 | 678,200 |
November Putsch in 1923 at the so-called Hitler Putsch? AOn 8 November 1923 in the afternoon I was called to a roll call which had been summoned from my work in the Munich Bank. In the evening we were told that a National, government was being formed or had been formed in Bavaria under Hitler and Ludendorff. On account... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 678,150 | 678,650 |
"Blood Order". How do you explain that? A.Alter about a year the same agency sent back the "Blook Order" to me, the same agency that had withdrawn it from me with the demand to come to Munich and to report to the Supreme SA Leadership in order to justify that I was entitled legally to be bearer of this "Order". Q.Did y... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 678,600 | 679,100 |
aims and purposes of the SS known to you at that time? A.They were known to me in as far as they could be apparent from the by-laws which existed at that time. In these by-laws it was stated in quite a general way that the SS was to serve the protection of the Nazi Movement. This included generally protection of Party ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 679,050 | 679,550 |
harty and friendly contact resulted, and this hearty relationship still exists today between myself and the members of these families. Q.Didn't you work in other Jewish enterprises afterwards? A.Yes. In 1927 I found a job in a Jewish commercial enterprise and I remained in that job for two and a half years. Q.You said ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 679,500 | 680,000 |
I receive an SS uniform. Until that period I could not even make an official appearance as an SS member for that very reason. I did not even report my transfer to the Ortsgruppe of Poznan of the NSDAP. During the whole of the five years I kept my registration in the NSDAP in Stuttgart, in spite of the fact that that wa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 679,950 | 680,450 |
The death head ring was conferred after one had been a member of the SS for three years. Q.But you also received the war cross, first and second class, without daggers. Do you know the reason why you received that distinction? A.As the chief of the Personnel Department of the agencies of the RKFDV, I had submitted quit... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 680,400 | 680,900 |
was also conferred upon the members after they had been in the NSDAF for ten years. It was conferred automatically. According to my recollection, I received the information fr* Stuttgart, in 1943, that this official distinction had been conferred upon However, it was not handed to me because I would have had to to to S... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 680,850 | 681,350 |
a more profound insight into these occurrences? AI have described in great detail what my activity as RuS leader consisted of. There was no contact concerning the criminal acts here involved. QWell, with the general knowledge of the persecution of Jews and political enemies--did you just satisfy yourself with that know... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 681,300 | 681,800 |
I also wish to remind you of the Hotho case, which I have already mentioned, where I protected that Polish family against an Ortsgruppenfuehrer and saw to it that they got their property back. DR. DURCHHOLZ:Your Honor, that concludes my direct examination of the defendant. THE PRESIDENT:Any questions by any of the defe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 681,750 | 682,250 |
as far as luggage and household goods were concerned? ANo, that was not in its competency. QYes, that is just what I mean. Now, who would be the man to issue such directives? AThey could only have been issued by the Chief of the Security Service and the SD. QIn your affidavit you mentioned a report made by Greifelt, ac... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 682,200 | 682,700 |
the RKFDV, which were not at all in the competency of the Main Staff Office? AYes, that is correct. QI mean, I am referring now, of course, to the VOMI and the RuSHA and their tasks. I mean, that is wall known. AYes, and if I speak of a central level agency there, then I definitely mean as far as Greifelt's agency was ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 682,650 | 683,150 |
covered in detail five or six times during the previous direct examination, and already one time in the course of your examination he has said, "As I explained in detail.." I just think it's fair to Court No. I, Case No. VIII. the witness for the attorneys not to require him to continue to go over the same thing. DR. M... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 683,100 | 683,600 |
wanted to use the conversations with the individual main departments to explain your position with it. You stated that the Main Department II was not identical with the agency Planning of the SS, and Police Leader Koppe; thereupon, you stated the tasks of your Main Department II in your agency. Now, however, in your af... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 683,550 | 684,050 |
of the Research Institutes of that university? Court No. I, Case No. VIII. AYes, I can confirm that. Meyer-Hetling had also a nomination to the University of Posen, but later he did not accept that nomination. QIn the direct examination you spoke of the registration of farmers and you mentioned the registration of farm... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 684,000 | 684,500 |
what position Greiser held at Poznan; he was Reichstatthalter and consequently he was the highest official on that level of the Reich Administration. He was a Reich Defense Commissar, and further more, he was a Gauleiter of the NSDAP; and he also held a number of other positions; and in this personnel union he was also... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 684,450 | 684,950 |
It is NO-3180. Now, what is that document that I have handed you there? A.This is a list of the members of the personnel, of the male personnel of the staff in the agency of the representative of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism in Poznan, of 1 October, 1944; and it does not bear any signature. Q.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 684,900 | 685,400 |
advisor or his adjutant and his two or three collaborators were located at No. II-A Fritz Reutherstrasse in the office there, and that is why he is not listed here. MR. LAMB:The Prosecution offers Document No-3180 as Exhibit 318, to be submitted in evidence or rebuttal. Correction; that is Exhibit No. 817. Q.Now, I und... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 685,350 | 685,850 |
knew when you brought people into Germany that the Poles would have to be taken away from their property or evacuated from their property; and these Poles were all pushed together. Now, why didn't you send those Poles out to the Government General or some place; why did you keep them there? A.I stated in detail and exp... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 685,800 | 686,300 |
you will look on Distribution List No. 3 you will see that the Warthegau is listed there. A.Nothing is mentioned here about the Warthegau under No. 3. It only states there the higher SS and police leader and SS leader in the race and settlement service . Oh, I see here. All the main sectors are listed here; they were S... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 686,250 | 686,750 |
with it. A.I know about it; I know that they were demolished. Q.Well, what became of the Jews that were in there? A.The Jews weren't living there any more. The ghetto had already been cleared in the middle of 1944. Q.Well, now, where had those Jews been sent that were in the ghetto; you knew that they had been sent out... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 686,700 | 687,200 |
there ready to join this revolution whenever they told you to and it looked like it wasn't coming on, so finally on the afternoon of the 9th, the next day, they dismissed you. Isn't that the truth? You were there ready and willing to joinit? A.We had received the order to stay there and to wait for further instructions... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 687,150 | 687,650 |
included here? A.Well, after all, it was accommodated outside of our office building, just like several departments of this agency. The agency of the representative of the Reich Commissar did not comprise one building but it included for or five buildings which sometimes were three or four kilometers away from the Kais... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 687,600 | 688,100 |
incidents from happening in the future. Q.No I am coming to the last document which was put to you. Did the fact that an agency received a certain order by distribution plan, did this mean that the agency factually had to deal with the matter?Were there any orders which were only sent to an agency for information purpo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 688,050 | 688,550 |
of Germanism, at Poznan? AYes. QDuring what period of time? AFrom May 1941 until January 1945. QWhat field of work did you deal with at the agency? AI was Herr Huebner's secretary. In the year 1944 I was a collaborator in the Settlement Staff Alexandrowo. In July 1944 I returned to my old position. QYou went back to He... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 688,500 | 689,000 |
main departments to an equal extent. QWere these tasks unified in one particular department? AYes; in the department of which Herr Huebner was in charge. QWas Herr Huebner included in the factual work of the agency? ANot as far as his own responsibility went. The chief of the agency, Herr Koppe, desired, however, that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 688,950 | 689,450 |
agency once or twice. However, the individual office chiefs in the main office staff would come to see the agency in Poznan frequently in order to have discussions there with the individual main department heads. QDid Herr Huebner participate in these discussions? ANo; he was not present when these discussions took pla... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 689,400 | 689,900 |
as Staff Leader. Q.Therefore, from your testimony up to now, we can deduce that Herr Huebner was the organizational head of the agency, but he was not the chief. Can you give us some example or other, and explain it to us by means of such an example? May I remind you of the Languth case? A.There was a telephone convers... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 689,850 | 690,350 |
you say how the incoming mail was addressed which arrived from the superior agencies? A.To the Reichsstatthalter, Representative of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism at Posen, 13 Kaiserring. The mail which arrived for the Land Office would have the additional line, "Land Office". For the Main Depar... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 690,300 | 690,800 |
cases. Q.Principally, what sort of cases were they which were so severely disciplined by Herr Huebner? A.Mainly embezzlement of Polish or Jewish property. Q.Did it have any influence on Huebner's execution if the culprit occupied a position in the Party or if he had a rank in the SS? A.No, I was never able to observe t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 690,750 | 691,250 |
get in evidence at all. So it is to your interest to get them into the hands of the Translation Department now. The Defense Counsel who are present will please convey this message to those who are not. The Tribunal will recess until 9:30 tomorrow morning, downstairs. (At 1630 hours, 16 December 1947, a recess was taken... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 691,200 | 691,700 |
more in this case than he had done in the settlement action. Q.And what was the practical effect of this interference? A.All important decrees and directives originated in the office of the Gauleiter and were broadcasted by wire to the subordinated agencies. Q.And who were these subordinated agencies? A.They were the K... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 691,650 | 692,150 |
could, live; later on the Kreisleiters slowly tried to get some work for these Germans from the Black Sea area. Q.Were they successful in doing so? A.Actually not because it was very difficult to find work for them. Q.Were there enough places of work for them? A.No. There were not sufficient places of work for them, an... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 692,100 | 692,600 |
the Gauleiter aid Reichstatthalter in matters pertaining to the settlement of Germans from the Black Sea areas. QWas this decree signed by the defendant Huebner? AYes. QWhy did he sign it, this document? AI have just stated that in the office of the Gauleiter these decrees were compiled and Herr Huebner always had to d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 692,550 | 693,050 |
us the reasons for that? AAfter all they were not competent for that. The selection of the places of work was not carried out by the working staff leader. QWere such places of work cleared of Poles in writing and were those Poles actually evacuated? AIn my agency, Alexandrowo, no evacuations at all were carried out any... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 693,000 | 693,500 |
the competent agencies as you had described it in the case of evacuations? ANo, this was not an evacuation measure, but it was only an exchange. QHad only the authorities on the district level participated in it? AYes. QCould the next higher level, the Gau level, the Gau authorities or of the agency of the plenipotenti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 693,450 | 693,950 |
Lodz from an official journey. QCan you tell us something about the contents of this file note? AThis was a discussion between Gruppenfuehrer Reinefahrt Herr Huebner and Herr Hirschberg, and they discussed the demolition of part of the Lodz ghetto. The Main Staff Office wanted to purchase that section, and to turn over... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 693,900 | 694,400 |
the latter had been charged with the carrying out of the demolition work by Huebner. Can you say something in that connection? AThat is not possible at all. That is contrary to the file note which I wrote at the time. And then, it was not possible either because Gruppenfuehrer Reinefahrt was present at the conference w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 694,350 | 694,850 |
certain period of time, the resettlers were to be sltogether exempted from military service. QDo you know whether Herr Huebner, amongst the members of the agency or amongst the resettlers, favored their voluntarily reporting for service in the Waffen SS? ANo, he did not do that. On the contrary, he was always opposed t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 694,800 | 695,300 |
Huebner especially active in that field? AYes, he did quite a lot of work there. He was somewhat more interested in that because of his other welfare work, which he did for the resettlers. DR. DURCHHOLZ:Your Honor, I have a question now. The witness has made five sketches for me about the organization of the agencies w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 695,250 | 695,750 |
correct, without reading all that it shows on its face, since it is to be in evidence. I think it would be better for everybody. DR. DURCHHOLZ:Your Honor, I had originally intended to have these sketches placed before this Tribunal and the witness then could have confirmed the correctness of these charts. However, sinc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 695,700 | 696,200 |
is what Huebner told you? AYes. However, Huebner was not interested, after all, in telling me anything different. After all, he had just received a reprimanded from Herr Koppe. QYou say the conversation was pretty heated? AYes. QDid Herr Huebner feel that he had been mistreated by Koppe? AI don't want to say that, that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 696,150 | 696,650 |
for example. QI thought you said you didn't know anything about it. AI did know, of course, that there was a ghetto at Lodz. QNow you testified a few minutes ago with reference to this Document 819 and also with reference to Document 818--Exhibit 818 and 819. This is a letter from Diefurt--that is the place. It is date... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 696,600 | 697,100 |
You cannot talk about any expulsions here. That was perhaps a clumsy expression which was used here. QI am not talking about expulsion measures. The letter is the thing that talks about expulsion methods. AYes. Naturally, the term was very clumsily chosen in this letter. QYes. And when you say that the ethnic Germans d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 697,050 | 697,550 |
on and it only applies to the drive with regard to the Germans in the Black Sea area. This will become Exhibit No. 5. I have no further questions, your Honor. THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness retire from the stand. (Witness is excused.) The Tribunal will recess until 11 o'clock. (A recess was taken.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 697,500 | 698,000 |
the resettlers. Q.Can you tell us to what extent Herr Huebner issued directives? A.Herr Huebner issued independent directives only in his direct field of task as I have just outlined. For the rest he limited himself to pass on the directives and orders which he received from the Main Staff Office or from the Chief of t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 697,950 | 698,450 |
to the agency and then was divided to the various offices through the means I just outlined. In exceptional cases, however, it happened that the mail went directly to Greiser and, as I have said in my affidavit, it went then on through the various channels until it reached the agency. Q.In your affidavit you spoke of H... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 698,400 | 698,900 |
for the prosecution, of 30 September 1947, Document No. NO-5364, Exhibit 714 in Document Book VIII-B. THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness come to the stand. HERMANN A.KRUMEY, a witness, took the stand and testified as follows: THE PRESIDENT:The witness will raise his right hand and repeat after me: I swear by God, the Almigh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 698,850 | 699,350 |
or evacuation? A.No. Q.In your affidavit you stated that Huebner had handed on orders to make room for the resettlers. What did you mean by that? A.What I meant was the list of the resettlers of the racial Germans to be resettled. Q.In your affidavit under Section 5, in connection with your description of the evacuatio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 699,300 | 699,800 |
forced to submit to re-Germanization? A.No pressure was exerted. Q.Witness, is it correct that the Polish population, before they were deported, were racially examined by commissions of the RUS Main Office and that these commissions were assigned with the resettlement staffs or with the field agencies of the RUS? Is th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 699,750 | 700,250 |
Book 7. I am handing it to you. THE PRESIDENT:Did I understand that you subpoenad this witness for cross examination with reference to an affidavit he made? DR. ZAPF:Your Honor this affidavit was submitted by the Prosecution. THE PRESIDENT:I didn't ask you that. I asked you if you subpoenad this witness for the purpose... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 700,200 | 700,700 |
as a witness. Q.Witness, since when have you known the defendant Huebner? A.Since 1938. Q.During his activity in Posen have you been able to observe the defendant Huebner? A.Yes, we came to Posen at about the same time and for about two years we were in the same agency of the Reich Commissar. Q.Witness, you were told a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 700,650 | 701,150 |
Huebner was informed or had the possibility even of getting informed of all the matters of the agency? A.No, I said already that was not possible in all that. Q.Do you know the organization and the activity of a working staff? A.Yes. Q.Were the working staffs subordinated to the district councillor responsible for that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 701,100 | 701,600 |
decided what estates were to be evacuated and which estates were not to be evacuated. Q.Did you have working and settlement staffs and did these staffs have an influence on the decision made by the UWZ? A.No, these agencies of the RFKDV had no influence over this decision. Q.In other words the agency of the Plenipotent... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 701,550 | 702,050 |
the course of your activity was it pointed out to you that the agencies of the RFKDV were not responsible and competent for evacuations? A.Yes, Obergruppenfuehrer Koppe already pointed that out to us when we were introduced into our work and his Staff Leader also pointed it out once in a while. Q.The Staff Leader you j... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 702,000 | 702,500 |
Now, it is said that the working staff used a certain term which explained that very clearly. A.Yes, I recall that very well. We called ourselves a transport agency, because that was practically all the right of disposal we had. Q.Do you know whether Herr Huebner was in any way connected with the kidnapping of Polish c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 702,450 | 702,950 |
Kienzl as director of the field agency of the RuS, and successor of Kaserer, as expert for RS questions in the EWZ, the emigrant central agency. Q.What was his official rank at that time? A.He was Sturmbannfuehrer of the Waffen SS. Q.Did you have any insight into the activity of the field agency at Lodz? A.Yes, insofar... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 702,900 | 703,400 |
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