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the professor divide them into? A.- As far as I can recall, five. Q.- After he had divided them this way, did he examine them again? A.- Yes, they were all examined again. Q.- What group were you in? A.- I was in the Schaefer group, so far as I remember, and I had Experimental Number 9 and my relative had the number 10... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,790,000 | 2,790,500 |
important. This is Exhibit 21. It's important to ascertain how far the sea water station was from the station in which the witness Mettbach was accommodated. If the Tribunal would be so gracious as to look at this chart - THE PRESIDENT:Will you give us the volume and page in which this chart may be found? DR. STEINBAUE... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,790,450 | 2,790,950 |
experimental subjects did receive the packages during the preparatory period, During the experiment proper they did not receive the packages. They were saved up for them until after the experiment. Q.- Now, when the experiment was over, did the people recover rapidly, or did it take a long while? A.- Since they all rec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,790,900 | 2,791,400 |
right side, they were covered with adhesive tape; I asked them what it was, and they said they had received an injection. Q.- Did they tell you that that hurt? A.- They said it wasn't as bad as having a tooth pulled. Q,- Did you ever hear that experimental subjects drank dirty water? A.- No, I never did, and if it had ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,791,350 | 2,791,850 |
They were in the same place with these fever charts. I took them along with me and showed them to Mr. Beiglboeck and asked if they were the experimental subjects, and he said they were. Now, I'd like to have them identified by the witness so that he can say these really are the experimental subjects. MR. HARDY:I have n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,791,800 | 2,792,300 |
and the picture next to that is also Henreiner. Below that is a Frenchman; I recognize him. And here is a little gypsy that was the youngest one there, the Professor's favorite. We called him the Parrot, Papagei. He is standing next to the Frenchman. QWitness, were these experimental subjects strong persons or weakling... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,792,250 | 2,792,750 |
received the good food that they had received before the experiments that I described. QNow, these were simple people in the experiment. Were they constantly afraid of death or did they fear that they were on the point of death all the time? ANo, they didn't have to and they didn't, because the Professor assured us tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,792,700 | 2,793,200 |
about? AYes, of course they really did. QEven after the experiment? AThree or four days outer the experiment they got the food. First they were on a diet and then they received this good food that I mentioned. QDo you know whether Professor Beiglboeck, after the experiments, did something in behalf of the gypsies? ASo ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,793,150 | 2,793,650 |
QWere you in the Wehrmacht yourself? ANo, but I was in the Reich Labor Service. QDo you remember a nurse from Vienna, a young fellow? AYes, he talked the same dialect as the Professor speaks. QWas his name maybe Pillwein? AI don't know his name, but I believe this was the nurse who took Max's place when Max was fired. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,793,600 | 2,794,100 |
to go to Dachau for a special commando, didn't you? A.Yes; in Buchenwald we volunteered and that is why we went to Dachau. We were then sent to the quarantine station, and waited to be sent to the promised special commando. Q.How many other gypsies accompanied you from Buchenwald to Dachau? A.Exactly 40 in toto; 39 oth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,794,050 | 2,794,550 |
you know that? A.I was with them. We talked with each other. Q.You don't suppose it is possible they didn't want to be there? A.You are asking whether it is possible they did not want to be there - those two? Q.Yes. A.No, they declared their willingness after we all had talked the matter over. Q.Would you consider, tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,794,500 | 2,795,000 |
14th of September 1944? A.When I went to Mauthausen? Q.That's right -- the 14th day of September 1944? A.I can't say this for sure but I think it was the end of September. Q.Would the records of the ... the Dachau records of the prisoner's transfers be incorrect if they said that on 14 September 1944 you were transferr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,794,950 | 2,795,450 |
absence from the Tribunal will not prejudice his case. DR.GAWLIK: (Attorney for Defendant Hoven) Mr. President, the Defense Counsel can speak to the defendant only in the morning and afternoon. Since the Court is sitting all day today, I would have no opportunity to speak to my client, Dr. Hoven. I can assume that my e... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,795,400 | 2,795,900 |
the American surgeon in charge ;f the prison. Upon filling of those certificates, the defendants Oberhauser and Gebhardt may be excused from attendance before the Tribunal this afternoon. DR. GIERL:Thank you. BY MR. HARDY: QWitness, you know the name Robert Adler? AI remember the name. QDid he come from Buchenwald in t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,795,850 | 2,796,350 |
as a saboteur if he refused? ANo, that is impossible. Professor Beiglboeck never said that. QYou never heard anything about that? ANo. QCould you state that your fellow gypsies used in the experiments were being careless with the truth if they state one of the men was refused and threatened in that manner? AIf they tes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,796,300 | 2,796,800 |
and they were easy names to remember - Bamberger, Laubinger, Reinhardt. QThis subject was a Russian gypsy. You don't know him? ANo. QDid you know Michael Durnow, spelled D-u-r-n-o-w? Also a Russian gypsy. He was in bed #20. Did you know him? ANo, I don't remember. QDid you know Victor Viljaew, spelled V-i-l-j-a-e-w? AN... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,796,750 | 2,797,250 |
Yes. Q.- Do you know Franz Klavda, spelled K L A V D A? A.- I don't remember that name. Q.- He was a Czechoslovakian. A.- No, there was no Czech there. Q.- You're certain of that, are you? A.- Yes. Q.- Suppose he told you he was a Czech; would you disbelieve him? A.- Yes, if he had told me he was a Czech, I would have ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,797,200 | 2,797,700 |
feel so ill on the fourth day? A.- Yes, the fever went down and I didn't feel so bad but the next day the fever went up again. Q.- The fever actually didn't go up until the seventh day again, did it? A.- And then I was put in Ward 3, Room 2. Q.- Then you never went through the experiment, did you? A.- No, I never drank... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,797,650 | 2,798,150 |
high temperature up to 39 -- and you were weighed again then and weighed 49.3 kilos; so you actually don't know when you were weighed, do you? A.- I was weighed when I came in to the experiment and I fell sick on about the third day. I don't know exactly when but I was weighed every day and afterwards I got a fever. I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,798,100 | 2,798,600 |
hospital? AWhy should he go to the hospital, he wasn't sick. QHe was very weak, wasn't he? AYes, but not so weak that he had to go to the hospital. QHe was afraid to go to the hospital? He actually was afraid to o to the hospital, was he not? ANo. The hospital in Dachau was very good. The treatment was very good. He di... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,798,550 | 2,799,050 |
AYes, my whole family. My father and my five brothers and sisters, they all died in Auschwitz. QThen you were the only one still at liberty? AYes, I am the only one of my family. QWhere were you working? AIn a dynamite company in Fuerth. In Stabern near Fuerth. QThen you were arrested and interrogated by the Gestapo. W... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,799,000 | 2,799,500 |
and the stool was collected daily, too. The stool was weighed daily. DR. STEINBAUER:I have no further questions. MR. HARDY:I have two more questions, Your Honors. RECROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. HARDY: QHow many of these experimental subjects received the sea water by a stomach tube? AI know nothing about that. QYou actuall... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,799,450 | 2,799,950 |
the point of view of the defense to the Tribunal. The exhibit remains, the fever chart. This is just an explanation. THE PRESIDENT:In the preparation of his trial brief counsel may include anything which he deems relevant and pertinent which will be of assistance in understanding the record as counsel contends it exist... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,799,900 | 2,800,400 |
his counsel the defendant Waldemar Hoven will take the witness stand. (WALDEMAR HOVEN, a defendant, took the stand and testified as follows.) BY JUDGE SEBRING: Q.The defendant will please raise his right hand and be sworn, repeating after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,800,350 | 2,800,850 |
a lieutenant. QLet us make this perfectly clear, At what rank did the Fuehrer Corps begin? AI just said, with the rank of Unterscharfuehrer, which equal led lieutenant. QUntil when did you belong to the General-SS? AUntil the 28th ofAugust, 1939. QFrom what date on did you belong to the Waffen-SS? AFrom the same date, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,800,800 | 2,801,300 |
Czechs, Dutchmen, Poles and Jewish prisoners. From this fact the impression might have arisen in Roemhild's and other prisoners' minds, that I occupied a very powerful position. In reality, however, I was having great difficulties at this time in having my will carried out because I had to take my chief into considerat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,801,250 | 2,801,750 |
as garrison doctor? A.Nothing Q.Were there other camp doctors? A.Yes. Q.How many. A.Two or three. It depended. It was different at different times. Q.Did you have considerable medical knowledge at that time? A.No. Q.You have heard Kogen's testomony here, who stated that you had no particular interest in the medical aff... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,801,700 | 2,802,200 |
possible medical care. I gave those prisoner doctors a perfectly free hand because I said to myself that they would be most concerned for the welfare of their fellow prisoners and that, of course, was the case. Therefore, so long as the SS doctors were doing official duties I made them subordinate to the prisoner docto... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,802,150 | 2,802,650 |
as an important man by the public, particularly in the university. Ho sought every opportunity to further his personal interests and to have himself looked up to." AThat description of Kogen is certainly correct, Kogen knew Ding-Schuler much bettor than I did, moreover, and was more closely connected with him that I wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,802,600 | 2,803,100 |
QWhat was your activity in Block 46? AAt Block 46 I had no medical or research activities or duties at all. QWere you Dr. Ding's deputy for Block 46? ANo, I did. not represent Dr. Ding in Block 46. Once for a short time I was his deputy in Block 44 and 49, but at that time there were no experiments being carried out. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,803,050 | 2,803,550 |
ANo. It was in this trial that I ever heard any more precise information about typhus. Before the trial I had never concerned myself with typhus at all. QIn your opinion, what knowledge is necessary for a person to be able to carry out typhus experiments? AWell, at least specialized training in typhus and hygiene. QDo ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,803,500 | 2,804,000 |
was sent to a rest home. Right after that I had a detail to the Pasteur Institution in Paris, During this time the sick reports carried the signature of Hoven or Plaza", This is on page 12. AFrom the diary it can be seen that during Ding's sickness with typhus there were no typhus experiments carried out at all. The sa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,803,950 | 2,804,450 |
with the person who is really going to receive the package, and that is what the firm is doing, asking him for an address, nothing more, to which the packages or letters or whatever it is should be sent. Oral or written instructions from Ding must have previously been sent to this firm which apparently were not quite c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,804,400 | 2,804,900 |
these experiments because Ding was absent on that day? A.Nobody, not even Pr. Ding, ever commissioned me to carry out any experiments in Block 46. Q.You don't know what the situation at Buchenwald was? A.On 27 August 1943 Ding could have done the experiments and then later in the same day he could have gone to Jena. It... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,804,850 | 2,805,350 |
on 10 February to the Dora tunnel. Brought back to Buchenwald on 1 May 1999 in order work in Block 50...." BY DR. GAWLIK: QDr. Hoven, do you think that Balachowsky is in a position to make statements about the situation at Buchenwald before that time in view of conversations that he may have had with other prisoners? A... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,805,300 | 2,805,800 |
QWhy, what arc the reasons why he must have found out about it? AThe nurses discussed everything that went on in Block 46 among themselves; and if I had had a hypodermic needle or a vaccinating lancet in my hand, Kirschheimer would have found out about it on the same day. DR. GAWLIK:Herbert Buhlick has made an affidavi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,805,750 | 2,806,250 |
April 1947, Document No. 1, page No. 1 to 4. THE PRESIDENT:Now is the time for the afternoon recess. I wish to ask Dr. Steinbauer, counsel for defendant Beiglboeck, and the prosecuting attorney in connection with this exhibit which was marked Exhibit 23 just before the noon recess, I am not clear and I don't know if th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,806,200 | 2,806,700 |
is possible. I never heard anything about it and I never took any interest in it. I had so much to do in the hospital that it took up all my time. QWho performed these injections if Dr. Ding was absent from Buchenwald? AI do not know. I was not there. Q.I shall now show you DocumentNO-1063, Exhibit 328 of the prosecuti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,806,650 | 2,807,150 |
camp administration and myself to prevent foreigners being used in these experiments. It agrees with the fact that Levvarden says at Christmas 1942 we came to the Gustlof Works. That was one of the drives which together with the illegal camp administrator Jan Robert and Henry Pieck undertook to save the Dutchmen from t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,807,100 | 2,807,600 |
have any opportunity to prevent the execution of the experiments? A.No, I believe it has become known in this room that it was not possible to fail to carry out a Himmler order. Himmler had ordered these experiments. One could only try to sabotage them and I did so in the question of destroying the typhus dice. Q.The p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,807,550 | 2,808,050 |
me to say that they were not tight. And Dietzsch and I threw them into the stove and made a report on the basis of my position as camp physician I could not take the responsibility of an epidemic breaking out. I believe later I had a dispute with Ding about it. I can't remember exactly what he said. He said I should an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,808,000 | 2,808,500 |
docs an a typical disease mean? A:That shows that they did not contract typhus. Q:Now, I come to the selection of the experiment subjects. Did you select all the experimental subjects for the typhus experiments? A:No. Q:On page 1178 of the English transcript, Dr. Kogan said that at times the camp physician wa.s involve... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,808,450 | 2,808,950 |
matter. Finally, the list came to Block 46, and I can very well imagine that there was the rumor prevalent in the camp, that I was responsible for selecting the prisoners. Q:Witness, the witness Roemhild, according to page 1633 of the English transcript, testified that selection of experimental persons was done on the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,808,900 | 2,809,400 |
but Poles, Russians and Frenchmen in the last year. What do you have to say about this? A:Of course, Dr. Kogon's statement is true. That was the reason why the prisoners asked me to see to it to take some part in the selection. While I was active I cannot imagine foreign prisoners being used for experiments. The foreig... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,809,350 | 2,809,850 |
be able to prevent experimental subjects being taken. Cur endeavor was t prevent German and foreign prisoners being taken for these experiments; when such persons were on the list the names were taken off the list and the names of the informers were put in their place. Q:Did you select passage persons? A:No, I never he... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,809,800 | 2,810,300 |
once but over a course of three quarters of a year. I should like to say that during my time not a single professional criminal condemned to death entered Block 46. This is true until the 12th of September 1943. For the rest I refer to the testimony of Dr. Kogon who described very correctly how and in what way the expe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,810,250 | 2,810,750 |
history was handed to you in Germany after you had signed the whole affidavit in English? A.- That is true. The affidavit included my life history in English and this part of the affidavit was given to me three days later in Ger man to sign. MR. HARDY:Your Honors, to clarify for the record, I might call to the attentio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,810,700 | 2,811,200 |
A.- No. Q.- To make it quite clear, I am talking about this entire affidavit in Document Book 12. Was it translated to you orally before you signed it? A.- No, with the exception of the life history; but that was a few days later; a.s I have already said. Q.- To make it quite clear the life history was translated for y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,811,150 | 2,811,650 |
was to be a witness or a defendant. I did not know that I could refuse to sign this affidavit and demand that it be translated into German. The interrogator did not inform me about all these things. DR. GAWLIK:Mr. President, with reference to the ruling of the Tribunal in the session of 3 January 1947, page 1079 and 10... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,811,600 | 2,812,100 |
I did not understand and sometimes the meaning was different from what I thought. For example, when I read books -- I have been reading some English books lately -- I understood the general sense and I knew what the story was about, but I didn't understand all the details. Q.- Well, I am going to read to you the last p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,812,050 | 2,812,550 |
or something like that. Q.- Now, are there other words? A.- No, that's all, sir. Q.- In other words, you said that prior to the time you signed this affidavit you were not familiar with the word "affidavit"? A.- Yes, that's right/ Q.- You were not familiar with the word "voluntarily"? A.- That's right. Q.- You were not... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,812,500 | 2,813,000 |
glad to do that. I should like to point out once more that at the time, I did not quite realize the meaning those various words because I did not know the purpose of this affidavit. I did not know that it was going to be used in an indictment against myself. There were individual matters which could have been clarified... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,812,950 | 2,813,450 |
States of America and this Honorable Tribunal. There will be order in the courtroom. THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain that the defendants are all present in Court? THE MARSHAL:May it please Your Honors, all the defendants are present in the Court. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will not for the record... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,813,400 | 2,813,900 |
the second paragraph "assigned" in the first sentence. In the third line "I was appointed", the word "appointed". In the fifth lino "in charge". In the third paragraph..... QVery well. AIn the third line from the bottom on this page; paragraph three; "acquainted". QVery well. AOn page 2 "spotted fever".As far as I know... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,813,850 | 2,814,350 |
word "notified" in the second line. "Request" the first word in the 4th line I have already mentioned. In the same lino "at random". I never hoard that in my life. And the last word in that lino "roster". In the 7th line "event". In the last line "requested" again. In the 9th line "substitutes" and the next word in tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,814,300 | 2,814,800 |
individual words. I Believed at the time that I had understood the meaning But, Because I could speak a little English and could carry on a little conversation, I may have over-estimated my understanding. QVery well. And you say that you did not understand the words "spotted fever"? AI had never heard it Before. QSo th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,814,750 | 2,815,250 |
camp. In July 1942 I was elevated to the position of Chief Physician and thereby had the full responsibility for the innate patients in the hospital. I held this position until September 1943 when I was arrested by the SS Police Court of Kassel and remained under arrest until 15th of March 1945. " 3. Due to my various ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,815,200 | 2,815,700 |
occasions I was the Fever Institute. However, when Ding went to Berlin, the experiments were discontinued until he returned. "7. The experiments at Block 46 in the Buchenwald Concentration Camp were conducted as follows: One group of victims were first vaccinated with the fever vaccine and then infected with the fever ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,815,650 | 2,816,150 |
action was executed under the code name '14 f 13'. I visited Bernhurg on one occasion to arrange for the cremation of two inmates who died in the Wernigerode Branch ( ) of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp. THE KILLING OF INMATES BY PHENOL AND OTHER. "10. In the camp we had a great many prisoners who were jealous of th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,816,100 | 2,816,600 |
Sebring to tell him what words I do not know and I had never heard the word "spotted fever" before. A.Are you aware of the fact the words in German which I have endeavored to read appear in your original affidavit? A.Yes. Q.Then you understood perfectly well what the words "spotted fever" in English meant, because they... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,816,550 | 2,817,050 |
paragraph 2, the last line reads, referring to yourself: "And remained under arrest until 12 September 1944." The affidavit was originally written with that date "until 12 September 1944"; that date was changed in handwriting to 15 March 1945. Is that the correct date when your arrest was terminated, 15 March 1945? THE... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,817,000 | 2,817,500 |
fountain pen, and that is why I signed it. Perhaps I was a. little careless. It wa.s also a fact that my interrogator had the impression from what I told him that I spoke English and after a few days he gave me a part of the affidavit, my life history, in German, not in English like this affidavit, but in German. There... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,817,450 | 2,817,950 |
about them, nor did they interest me. Q.What do you have to say about the next sentence. It also says in that same sentence we just mentioned, under number 6, that you visited his experimental station from time to time. A.Yes, that is so, I did that. Frequently I visited the experimental station. Q.What was the purpose... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,817,900 | 2,818,400 |
not quite correct because the SS hospital had nothing to do with the concentration camp. QWhat should be differentiated between here? AThe concentration camp is to be kept separate from everything that existed outside of the protective custody camp. QWhere was the SS hospital? AIt was outside. QAnd as Assistant Medical... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,818,350 | 2,818,850 |
incendiary bombs. Where were you during that time? AI was under arrest by the Gestapo? QAccording to the diary there were also two poison experiments carried out. Where were you at that time? AAt that time I was also under arrest by the Gestapo. QDid you take part in the phosphorous incendiary bomb experiments? ANo. QA... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,818,800 | 2,819,300 |
the senior block inmates were called to the office. The senior block inmates then decided which prisoners in Block 46 were to be used for experimental purposes." From the next paragraphs it can be seen how the affiant has this knowledge. Then as my next exhibit I out in the affidavit by Heinz Schaeuble. This is Hoven D... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,819,250 | 2,819,750 |
in tho next few days a commission of doctors would come from Berlin to Buchenwald. This commission of doctors would seek out the cripples and tho mentally ill. Moreover all Jewish inmates here at Buchenwald were to be included. These prisoners were then to be assigned to various transports and killed. Where this was to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,819,700 | 2,820,200 |
to the effect that his work had been supported by me or by any other doctor or any prisoner nurse. In view of the detailed manner in which he described his activities in Buchenwald he certainly would have mentioned a fact of such importance as that. Q.I have just been told that apparently a mistake has been made by the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,820,150 | 2,820,650 |
consideration. The order read explicitly "All Jewish prisoners are to be taken for the 14F-13 Action." Thus, a medical examination become or Dr. Blancke would not have been necessary. Moreover, why should they be examined? The important thing was not whether the Jews could work or not, but it said there unmistakably th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,820,600 | 2,821,100 |
of any further scratchings from the list. He said they were all going to die any way, I couldn't prevent the transport from leaving altogether since I had a boss above me who, so far as the prisoners were concerned, had a basically different orientation than I did. Only at the last minute was I told, shortly before the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,821,050 | 2,821,550 |
camp physician. On my suggestion, the commander then reported to Berlin that there were no prisoners in Buchenwald who were not capable of work. This brought it a pout that the continual inquiries from Berlin about the transports stopped coming in. Because of these continual inquiries, it had been necessary to prevent ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,821,500 | 2,822,000 |
be Exhibit 6. This is also a letter from another trial from the Fourth Criminal Court of Frankfort on the Main. From this it can be seen that all Concentration camps, including Buchen ald were to be cleared of Jews. This document is to close this part of my evidence. I have found out by interrogating people that when B... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,821,950 | 2,822,450 |
the concentration camp and to make a report in which the number of the prisoners who were directed the special treatment 14 f 13 are to be mentioned; did you make any such report. A.No, and if there had been any such report it would have been Dr. Blancke' s job, and not mine. However, I cannot recall that any such repo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,822,400 | 2,822,900 |
the concentration camp Gross-Rosen. The prosecution asserts that this list was prepared for the commander by the camp doctor. On the basis of this document the Prosecutions claims the following and I quote: "This list simply describes what went on in the Camp Gross-Rosen. Oranienburg issued the orders that the concentr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,822,850 | 2,823,350 |
did happen? A.There were about 300 Jewish and non-Jewish prisoners. It is not stated in this sentence that there were non-Jews also. Q.What else is wrong? A. "A few days later I received a list of the names of those Jews who were exterminated at Bernburg from the Camp Commander and was ordered to issue falsified statem... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,823,300 | 2,823,800 |
one and one-quarter years later and bore no connection with the 14-F-13 action? A.That is correct. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel, it is time for the Tribunal to be in recess until 1:30 o'clock. (A recess was taken until 1330 hours.) AFTERNOON SESSION (The hearing reconvened at 1330 hours, 23 June 1947.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribuna... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,823,750 | 2,824,250 |
we could send these representatives up tomorrow inasmuch as the laboratories in Frankfort will be available to us tomorrow? THE PRESIDENT:The matter may be taken up as soon as the defense counsel for Beiglboeck arrives. MR. HARDY:Your Honor, we can continue with our examination. When the defense counsel for Beiglboeck ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,824,200 | 2,824,700 |
accomplish anything with me. QWhy were these two people killed? AI do not know. QIs it true that Kogon went to you and Dr. Ding and tried to help these two people? AWhether he went to Dr. Ding for this purpose, I do not know. If I had known anything about the arrest and intended killing, it would certainly not have tak... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,824,650 | 2,825,150 |
for the defendant Steinbauer -- I mean, for the defendant Beiglboeck, Dr. Steinbauer, being present has heard the statement by the prosecution. DR.STEINBAUER (Counsel for the defendant Beiglboeck): Your Honors, I believe that this application of the prosecution is superfluous. By the detailed examination in the presenc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,825,100 | 2,825,600 |
the same day that the documents are taken there? MR. HARDY:Unfortunately, your Honor, I am not able to estimate that; however, I would think it would take longer than one day. There are 44 charts, and how extensively they do their work with microscopes and whatever is the process used in such work, that I am not too fa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,825,550 | 2,826,050 |
and listen to the report of the experts and ask them any question that they might desire to ask. MR. HARDY:The purpose of the prosecution in sending the documents to Frankfurt is to ascertain what, where and when the entries were made. And this is purely on the behalf of the prosecution. If defense counsel has any obje... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,826,000 | 2,826,500 |
concentrate his attention, and then when the expert has made his report if the Prosecution desires to use that report in any way whatever before the Tribunal that the expert who made the report will be available or someone who understands the matter will be available here in Nuernberg for cross examination by defense c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,826,450 | 2,826,950 |
killed two but I cannot say myself." What do you have to say about this? AWhen he reports rumors which circulated in the camp he knows exactly as well as I do what to think of them. When Dr. Kogon was Ding's first secretary such incredible rumors were circulated about him in the camp, that he was in the same with Dr. D... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,826,900 | 2,827,400 |
They were called Jew slaughterers because they literally beat Jewish prisoners to death. Q.- By what right were these traitors and SS and Gestapo informers killed? A.- The justification against people like these two one cannot judge from normal circumstances. The issue was not that they were informers, not just that th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,827,350 | 2,827,850 |
I took prisoners into the hospital under false diagnosis in order to protect them from death through the Gestapo or SS. I helped German and foreign Jews whenever I could without consideration of a position which would be more than illogical as at the same time other prisoners had been killed those who played this terri... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,827,800 | 2,828,300 |
these stool pigeons and traitors was now supervised by the illegal camp administration. They warned the traitors against going on. In some cases I had agents warn these traitors and stool pigeons. In many cases the illegal camp administration had the contacts of these traitors in the camp broken. Thus they were often u... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,828,250 | 2,828,750 |
Zill once asked him when he intended to come for his next meal (one chunk of bread and one piece of sausage. This meant that Knoll was to muder a round figure of one hundred prisoners before he got this meal. This Knoll answered: "I have 97 and shall quickly dispatch the remaining 3 by noon." At noon we saw him go into... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,828,700 | 2,829,200 |
I tried to describe the conditions during my interrogations and, on the basis of this statement which I made, the affidavit was drawn up, not by me but by the prosecution, as I have already said. I did not know what the prosecution was interested in. I did not know that the statement would be used against me. I had no ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,829,150 | 2,829,650 |
to proceed very carefully. I cannot describe the details. I don't know them. The result of the warning was that the agents who had approached him were arrested and killed by the Gestapo. The head of the Illegal camp administration, a former German Reichstag delegate Walter Kraemer, whom I have already mentioned, who wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,829,600 | 2,830,100 |
for the illegal camp administration and the members of the foreign prisoner groups, and I continued to do this until the end. But if Dr. Kogan's testimony, which I believe camp from the camp rumors, were true you may be sure you would not now have the leading prisoners, and the German and foreign groups, like Pies, Dr.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,830,050 | 2,830,550 |
is Prosecution documentNO 257, Exhibit 283, on page 9 of the German, 10 of the English Document Book 12. THE PRESIDENT:As reading that affidavit will take sometime, the Tribunal will now take its recess before you start reading this affidavit. The Tribunal will be in recess. (Thereupon a recess was taken.) THE MARSHAL:... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,830,500 | 2,831,000 |
first sentence? In particular, what did you understand the word "I supervised..." to mean? A.I understood this to mean that I had knowledge through the prisoners' committee of the intended killing of these stool pigeons. Q.How can this, in exact terminology, be explained, the use of the word "supervise"? A.Here again I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,830,950 | 2,831,450 |
a trustee was one of the most powerful in the camp. It was indifferent whether he remained in the camp. The goal of the illegal camp administration, and my goal also was that a trustee who represented the interests of the prisoners should take his place; and with my assistance this was brought about. His successor was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,831,400 | 2,831,900 |
immediately had them done away with. But the situation was rather as follows: I have already said before, the illegal camp administration and the committee and the foreign liaison men conducted very careful investigations of two individual informers, and only when it was inequivocally proved that the informers were get... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,831,850 | 2,832,350 |
prison hospital had not been the execution chamber, and that otherwise it would have cost the lives of many valuable human beings. However, the way in which the informers were killed would have been slow and painful, because if there had been no other way they simply would have been beaten to death by the prisoners. Q.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,832,300 | 2,832,800 |
their shameful acts, namely, the act of destroying the political prisoners. Just what happened in detail is shown in the last paragraph on page 28; at the top it says: "How many sick prisoners, for example, were hospitalized contrary to the intentions of the SS." This was Hoven's activity for the welfare of the so-call... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,832,750 | 2,833,250 |
Netherlands Committee on the illegal preparations for international anti-fascist cooperation in the Camp Buchenwald. MR. HARDY:Where is the original? DR. GAWLIK:In Holland. Pieck brought the report with him, and I had the General Secretary prepare this copy. MR. HARDY:May I see the copy, please? Then this copy in Germa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,833,200 | 2,833,700 |
these people "Kuschnarev, or one of these informers you have employed, has killed hundreds of prisoners, turned Russian commissars over for extermination and let the Jews be beaten to death?" They would have told me I was crazy or more probably they would have simply shot me, and no one would have been helped by that a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,833,650 | 2,834,150 |
your particular attention to the fact that he himself says "I am chiefly interested in international and humanitarian movements." In view of this, the statements made in questions 13 to 15 by this affiant should be of particular probative value. He also says under No. 1" Since 1935 I have a school for Quakers in my man... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,834,100 | 2,834,600 |
but that would have had evil consequences also. That would have led to an action against the political German and foreign prisoners and the Jewish prisoners. Kuschnarev's anti-Semitism was greater than that even of the camp administration, the SS. The number of Jews that he had executed on false charges runs into the h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,834,550 | 2,835,050 |
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