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my colleague Tipp, you have already stated that to carry out the typhus vaccinations you requested inmates as vaccinees. Now I should like to find out whom you approached for that. A.I have already stated yesterday that these vaccinations were based on discussions which had taken place between the camp commandant and m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,745,000 | 2,745,500 |
at Strassbourg do you know that Sievers was the superior of Hirt, or did Hirt in conversation with you Speak of Sievers as his superior? A.In his position as a professor and director of the Anatomical Institute Professor Hirt could not have been subordinate to Sievers. Q.Did you know Hirt's office in the Anatomical Ins... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,745,450 | 2,745,950 |
you may notice, to the situation at the Strassbourg University. Do not these facts I just mentioned also play a part? ACertainly; in judging such personal matters these things are important. If this draftsman visited his chief all the time and entered and left the room all the time, they may have had pretty close relat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,745,900 | 2,746,400 |
must have known to whom I wrote letters and from whom I received them. QThen you Did not send or receive letters involving Professor Rostock? ANo. QThank you. No further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any other questions of the witness on the part of defense counsel? If not, the prosecution may cross-examine. CROSS EXAMINATI... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,746,350 | 2,746,850 |
you received a research assignment on influenza from the Luftwaffe. I have some difficulty reconciling these two propositions. A.You have to discriminate between two things here: on the one hand, my military activities, and on the other hand my activities as professor and scientist. I received this assignment not as a ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,746,800 | 2,747,300 |
the word "orders" but you were a virus expert. I don't assume they would come to you with a problem on surgery but if they indicated a desire you work on typhus, as distinguished from epidemic jaundice, I am asking you if you wouldn't comply with that request. A.I should not have had to accord with this request unless ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,747,250 | 2,747,750 |
isn't it? A.I never saw that any research assignments emanated from his office. Q.Then Dr. Rose wrote you a letter in June 1943 saying something about Anthony being away and that he wished him to issue you the order when Anthony returned. You remember that, don't you? A.I remember that and I also have just stated that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,747,700 | 2,748,200 |
with the Strassbourg University or the Luftwaffe? I am a little confused here. A.He was a member of the Luftwaffe. Q.And did you show these trips to Natzweiler on these accounts you turned an to the Luftwaffe? A.In the accounts there was only mention of the gasoline I bought at some gas station. Q.I am asking you if th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,748,150 | 2,748,650 |
of visits. Q.Any besides Natzweiler and Schirmek? A.No. Q.Who gave you permission to enter Schirmek? A.The camp management. Q.Did he come to see you or did you go to see him? A.As I said yesterday, the camp commander of Natzweiler and his adjutant of Natzweiler with which Schirmek was affiliated and the camp physician ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,748,600 | 2,749,100 |
you can't put it that way because I only asked for such funds when they were exhausted. It was all the same research assignment which in each case was extended. Q.It was extended twice then, once in 1943 and once in 1944? A.That is possible, yes. QAnd were you using a living virus in the influenza vaccine? I understood... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,749,050 | 2,749,550 |
in this respect. QIt is your scientific opinion and you want the Court to understand that in a camp the size of Schirmeck vaccinating twenty women was a good prophylactic measure to keep down influenza in Schirmeck, is that right? AOf course, I should have preferred to be able to vaccinate more people but my production... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,749,500 | 2,750,000 |
this to the Luftwaffe then, is that right? AHow am I to understand that: "Charge it to the Luftwaffe?" Q.Well, you had received money from them to do something for them in the way of influenza, research. I haven't heard much about what you did but you said these protective vaccinations didn't have anything to do with i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,749,950 | 2,750,450 |
none were done there. QWell, this bill hero has nothing to do with typhus. We are only concerned with influenza here. A.Perhaps the title of this is influenza but that doesn't mean a thing. If I made a trip to Natzweiler, I could have put that down under influenza. Everything wasn't done as carefully as all that. The s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,750,400 | 2,750,900 |
just put it down here as having some connection with research assignments. MR. MC HANEY:If the Tribunal please, I do not know the next exhibit number in order. THE PRESIDENT:You can ascertain that during the recess period and properly advise us later. MR. MC HANEY:Very well, Your Honor, I will offer this document at th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,750,850 | 2,751,350 |
kilometers from Strassbourg? A.I guess it is about 60. Q.From Heidelberg? A.Heidelberg - one and one-half to two hours train ride. Q.How many kilometers would you say Heidelberg was from Strassbourg? A.I should estimate 90 to 100. Q.And you feel that those two cities are in the vicinity of Strassbourg, is that right? A... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,751,300 | 2,751,800 |
that? A:Why shouldn't they believe it? In other places also they carried on investigations with volunteers on hepatitis epidemica. Q:And there was no regulation of the Wehrmacht preventing the use of these students or of soldiers? A:I know if no such directive. Q:Well, if there had been he would you known of it? A:Sinc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,751,750 | 2,752,250 |
Strasbourg. Q:Meyer was in the Hygiene Institute? A:In the Medicinal Research Institute - that was part of the institute, or rather, I was also in charge of that particular institute, and of this Medicinal Research Institute which I just mentioned, Meyer was an administrative inspector. Q:Who was Henri Pierre? A:Henri ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,752,200 | 2,752,700 |
very infrequently. Q:What was Bickenbach's job at Strasbourg? A:He was director of the Internal Polyclinic at the University. Q:Did you ever bump into him in Natzweiler? A:No. I never hit in Natzweiler. Q:Suppose you tell the Tribunal what you know about Hirt's gas experiments, Professor? A:I only know what I have read... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,752,650 | 2,753,150 |
be marked for identification as Prosecution Exhibit No.519. Professor, you testified that you know nothing about Hirt's gas experiments or Bickenbach's gas experiments; is that right? AThat is correct. QDid you ever carry out any gas experiments? AI have never carried out any such experiments. QThe affiant Schuh in Doc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,753,100 | 2,753,600 |
the witness and that it be put to him. That has always been done and I know Professor Haagen does not have the document in front of him right now. THE PRESIDENT:It seems that the document should possibly be submitted to the witness. MR. MCHANEY:I can submit it to him in English, I understand he reads English. I do not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,753,550 | 2,754,050 |
I want you to be advised so that you can make statements now that Mr. Mollis, whm you say you do not remember, that he was an inmate in Natzweller, and it says he was assigned to you as an assistant in 1944. Pardon me, that is incorrect. I am speaking of another witness now. He says that you supervised autopsies of per... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,754,000 | 2,754,500 |
participated in Lost gas experiments. I do not know, therefore, against whom the prosecution wants to submit this evidence on Lost gas experiments. In my opinion, a witness can only be heard on matters for which he can be a witness and which are included in the Indictment. That is not the case here. The Lost gas experi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,754,450 | 2,754,950 |
proceed. BY MR. McHANEY: Q:Witness, did you or did you not witness the prerformance of any autopsies on experimental subjects killed during the course of gas experiments at Natzweiler? A:I never witnesses that. Q:You do remember the name Georges Boegarts as being an inmate surgeon at Natzweiler, is that right? A:Yes, I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,754,900 | 2,755,400 |
was a Dr. Rode. Those were the 3 physicians I met. Q.- Did all these gentlemen impress you as good, honest men? A.- Well, I did not notice anything in particular when I was there. Q.- What sort of a man did Kramer impress you as being? A.- Well, I did not come to know Kramer very intimately. We only had conversations o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,755,350 | 2,755,850 |
that question. Q.- We will pass that. You say the typhus vaccine you tested in Schirmek in 1943 was a murine typhus vaccine? A.- Yes. Q.- And that, as we laymen understand it, murine typhus is rat typhus - that is right, isn't it? A.- Yes, rat typhus, yes. Q.- And that is not quite so dangerous as the so-called louse t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,755,800 | 2,756,300 |
dangerous. Q.- Of course, it makes your documents look a little bit micer if we follow your definition, doesn't it, that a virulent virus does not necessarily mean anything except a living virus and it might be attenuated or might be regarded by Rose and the rest of us up to now as an attenuated avirulent virus ? A.- W... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,756,250 | 2,756,750 |
places experiences with these vaccines. I have yesterday already spoken about vaccinations with these vaccines. Such experiences had already been gained by French researchers. Q.Well, we can say than that the real purpose of your going to Schirmeck was simply to accomodate the came commander Kramer, who was worrying ab... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,756,700 | 2,757,200 |
would be quite willing to explain it once more. Do you want me to do that? QWell, I am not sure. Is this something different from the Weil-Felix reaction? AIt is the Weil-Felix reaction which is carried out, before and after a subsequent vaccination. QBut you did or did not do that in connection with the murine vaccine... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,757,150 | 2,757,650 |
vaccinations. We have frequently found out that during the illness already before the end of the convalescent period a reduction of the tita values in the serum can be found and since I have conducted similar research with small pox I intended to extent that study also to typhus. QNow, you testified that in May 1943 yo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,757,600 | 2,758,100 |
Hirt had intervened at the time, and the result of this interference is the points which you can find in the documents, among the documents. QFor what reason did Hirt interfer? ASpecific reasons I could not tell. I do not know, but Hirt believe - and I have told the camp physician and the camp commander that I could no... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,758,050 | 2,758,550 |
are all Gypsies, Poles, Slavssand so forth, Hungarians, or Italians, which were amongst them, or other dark haired types. I could not make that distinction. QDid you personally examine these 100 inmates shipped in for your vaccinations? The first 100 in November or the first of December, 1943? AWell I looked at the fir... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,758,500 | 2,759,000 |
I noticed -I could speak, I conversed with some of them. At any rate, they belonged to different nationalities, they were not all Poles. QDid you make the remark attributed to you by several of the witnesses here? ANo, I did not make it, no. QIt strikes me that you were a bit persistent with your vaccinations when you ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,758,950 | 2,759,450 |
was any danger to the test persons, and I am having some difficulty reconciling the great danger to the laboratory assistants, but no danger to persons who where subject to the vaccinations? AI believe one cannot interpret this in that manner because sometimes even in the laboratory we are confronted with matters which... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,759,400 | 2,759,900 |
could say that. QWell you concede that the Prosecution's interpretation of the word "subsequent infection" as meaning infection with a virulent typhus virus of the type carried out in Buchenwald is equally consistent with the interpretation you put on it? AIf one interprets it that way, one has to consider what materia... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,759,850 | 2,760,350 |
your letter to Hirt of 27 June 1944, asking for an additional 200 persons, that is Prosecution Exhibit 306? APage 96, to Professor Hirt. QNow you had already carried out your experiments in December and January, 1943 and 1944, respectively, on 80 persons, is that right? AYes. QNow in June again you asked for an additio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,760,300 | 2,760,800 |
vaccinations in December and January on the 80 persons? Did you carry out any more vaccinations in Natzweiler? A.No, I did not. There were no more vaccinations carried out. Q.You didn't vaccinate anyone during the course of the epidemic? I should have thought that they would have been eager to let you vaccinate those p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,760,750 | 2,761,250 |
3 vaccinations in a series, the first two being given by injection, the last one being a scarification vaccination and at the same time the 40 control persons were given a similar scarification vaccination, is that right? A.Yes. Q.That's all I wanted to know. Now then, when you gave the first vaccination to the 40 pers... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,761,200 | 2,761,700 |
the control group when the control group didn't get any thing more than a, vaccination. The other group got a similar vaccination and two others, yet you are indicating to, Mr. Hirt, that we can expect some illness in the control group. That's nonsense, isn't it? A.Up that is not nonsense. I have explained yesterday al... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,761,650 | 2,762,150 |
should like to read it also and be able to compare it. Mr. Hardy told me the document book and did not give me the page of the document. I should like to know where the document is located unless it is a new one. MR. McHANEY:It is an old one. It can be found in the skeleton collection document book. Document Bock # 7. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,762,100 | 2,762,600 |
the Ahnenerbe, can you, Professor? Have you found this excerpt? AYes, yes, I have it here. "Experiments in the experimental station Ahnenerbe have not yet started. Of the 80..." That is very difficult to read here. "Of the 80 experimental subjects, inmates, Gypsies, one died from ploura caupiaenina in the meantime. 40 ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,762,550 | 2,763,050 |
do not know what the reason for this is, but I reiterate the defense is not acquainted with this document Mr. McHaney is putting to the witness under No.NO-807. If Mr. McHaney wants to discuss this document here, either he must give it his own exhibit number or at least, according to the rules of procedure, he must mak... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,763,000 | 2,763,500 |
to give them my photostatic copy when I am finished with the witness. DR. TIPP:Mr. President, I am sorry, but this statement of Mr. McHaney is not sufficient. In our document book according to the running page numbers there is a Document 807 but this is merely an interrogation of Hauptsturmfuehrer Kramer and nothing el... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,763,450 | 2,763,950 |
not the first page of the document which, as I see from the photo copy, contains excerpts from some report on the part of the camp doctor. It is precisely this part of the document, which we do not have in our document book, that Mr. McHaney is putting to the witness to cross-examine him on. I can only reiterate that t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,763,900 | 2,764,400 |
of Fraulein Schmidt on the ground that she was talking of 150 to 200 experimental persons, whereas you said in fact that you experimented only on some 80 in December and January of 1944. I suppose you will concede, as a hypothetical proposition, that, if you in fact carried out the experiments which you speak of in Pro... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,764,350 | 2,764,850 |
is that right? A.Those are the people I am talking about, yes. Q.And where were they confined? A.They were accommodated in the hospital, as I believe I have already said at another time. Q.You had 40 in one room and 40 in another room? A.There were 80 in all who, as I remember, were all accommodated in one barracks. Q.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,764,800 | 2,765,300 |
had become pathogenic. If you vaccinated these persons in January, completed your examination in February, and made a report in May or June, how is it that somebody can testify that he thought your vaccine had become pathogenic and possibly had something to do with an epidemic? A.- Mr. Prosecutor, I have already told y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,765,250 | 2,765,750 |
of any sort. Q.- It didn't occur to you to tell them that their inquiry was baseless because, firstly, you hadn't conducted any vaccinations at Natz waiter since January, 1944, and, secondly, that in any event they certainly had no cause for alarm because you had no pathogenic virus to infect anybody if you had wanted ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,765,700 | 2,766,200 |
laboratory tests with a vaccine preparatory to using it on human beings, what sort of experiments would you carry out on animals to satisfy yourself that it was safe to use this vaccine on human beings? A.- This question is of such a technical nature, Mr. Prosecutor, that I am afraid that I cannot make it immediately c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,766,150 | 2,766,650 |
while you have given us a very interesting talk for five minutes, you haven't told me how you determined in the case of your living virus vaccines that it was not going to kill the first person you innoculated with it; and I also suggest to you that -- and I think I am correct without being a technical expert -- that m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,766,600 | 2,767,100 |
"I volunteer"? AI should like to answer that question hypothetically. If you see a laboratory experiment that mice or rabbits already innoculated with vaccine virus die, would you then have the courage to have yourself vaccinated with that virus? I think that is the best way that I can answer your hypothetical question... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,767,050 | 2,767,550 |
Schirmeck I vaccinated only with the murine vaccine, because at the time my scientific knowledge hadn't progressed so far. QAnd you were all through with your vaccinations there in May 1943? AMay 1943, yes. QThe Ibsen vaccine from Copenhagen about which the defendant Rose wrote to you was a murine vaccine, was it not? ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,767,500 | 2,768,000 |
the laboratory staff contracted laboratory infections purposely with the Rickettsia-prowazeki, which led to very mild cases, and could only be subsequently ascertained by serological examinations." QThat is quite sufficient. Now Rose told you, in effect, in this report, that the compatibility of this vaccine had been t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,767,950 | 2,768,450 |
A "In addition there is the experimental series that is to begin in the next few days which makes special demands in view of the medical activities that will take place then." DR. TIPP:I have some misgivings about the formal admissibility of this document. If the Tribunal will look at the document it will see that from... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,768,400 | 2,768,900 |
activities in Natzweiler - the one immediately under that - the first one checked. AThen the second paragraph. "At the examination which the professor carrying out the experiment conducted, only 14 gypsies could be found who were suitable. The number of gypsies affected with scabies could be reduced to 4. General measu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,768,850 | 2,769,350 |
so far as the time element is concerned, there could be some connection. This sentence that mentions somebody who died of pleura empyemia, however, makes me wonder a bit. That could not have had anything to do with my vaccinations. The last sentence is tho one that refers to typhus vaccinations. QWill you read the next... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,769,300 | 2,769,800 |
would rather he would do it under redirect than now. THE PRESIDENT:I didn't understand that the witness made the direct admission of that which you state. The Tribunal will new be in recess. During this recess period the document will be studied, and the Tribunal is not yet advised as to the history of this document or... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,769,750 | 2,770,250 |
to defense counsel, that has occasioned an element of surprise to Dr. Tipp and other defense counsel which is unfortunate. THE PRESIDENT:You will see that there is a complete translation made and furnished? Mr. McHANEY: Yes, I will, Your Honor. Now there are a number of different extracts there and I was in the process... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,770,200 | 2,770,700 |
at the Ahnenerbe experimental station are still not under way. One of the 89 human experimental prisoners, gypsies, died with Pleura epyemia during the period covered by this report. 40 gypsies received prophylactic innoculations for a typhus experiment." Does that extract apply to your typhus vaccination? A.- From thi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,770,650 | 2,771,150 |
says on the document then SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Kramer didn't sign it. If the camp doctor had signed it, it would be Dr. Krieger. QDo you know of any typhoid inoculations or experiments in the Natzweiler Concentration Camp around this time? AI knew nothing about it - that typhoid experiments were carried out. But, I kno... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,771,100 | 2,771,600 |
I am putting to you documentNO-2874which is a letter dated 4 October 1943 directed to Oberstarzt Professor Dr. Rose and I ask you if this letter originated from you? AMay I first read the document? THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal has not received German copies of this document. BY HR. McHANEY: QDid you send this letter to t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,771,550 | 2,772,050 |
far to perform infectious experiments on the vaccinated persons." Now hero you are telling Prof essor Rose that you really meant that you hadn't performed another vaccination on the vaccinated persons. Is that your explanation of that? ANo. First I want to read this sentence. QInfektions versuche. AI said yesterday tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,772,000 | 2,772,500 |
to the 200 persons whom I had asked for. Q.- Oh, it does? Well, we'll see about that. You still want to maintain that you didn't perform any vaccinations in Schirmeck after May, 1943, do you, Professor? A.- Yes, I maintain that. Q.- And you also maintain that although you used the words "performing infection experiment... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,772,450 | 2,772,950 |
here that if we were to use the Ipsen vaccine it would not be in a planned group since otherwise the figures for comparison would be too small. That we would need a special series of persons. Q.- You testified that you did not suggest anything to Rose about testing his Ipsen vaccine as to its anti-infectious effect. Yo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,772,900 | 2,773,400 |
this little note book is. Will you please tell them? "A.- As far as I can see at the moment, these are records, but they are rather extensive. After such a long time, I should like a chance to study them. Q.- Professor, aren't those your notes? Your recognize your own handwriting, don't you? A.- No, this is not my hand... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,773,350 | 2,773,850 |
as "nach-inpfung", didn't you? A.That is exactly the sane thing in this sense. The assistant made this entry, and I an quite certain that is right. Q.Except when your assistant was referring to mouse test, "nach impfung" and not "nach-infcction". Suppose you tell the Tribunal what happened to those two nice. Did they d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,773,800 | 2,774,300 |
photostatic copy, and because of the two pages appearing for one photostatic copy, they had to be renumbered. Page 5 on the translations should be markdd page 3. BY MR. MCHANEY: Q.Do you find the entry for 30 April 1943, Professor? A. 30 April '43, yes. Q.And that says, "S, plus, plus, plus, 9, S ch." That is Schirmeck... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,774,250 | 2,774,750 |
any exact interpretation. I'd have to study the document very carefully. Q.What does this "per person" refer to? Talking about human beings, aren't they? A.Yes. It is very, possible that that was the vaccine which we had injected into the persons in Schirmeck in May of '43; and then in parallel experiments, we tested i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,774,700 | 2,775,200 |
Those are probably the 20 people that we vaccinated in May that the witness here mentioned. "Two cc distilled water, then 0.5 cc ner uerson." I do not know even today that in the fall of 1943 we carried out vaccinations in Schirmeck. Then there is an entry on the 27th of January, 1944, nine months. Q.That is right. Tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,775,150 | 2,775,650 |
be changed to read page 4 of the original. Q.Now, Professor, do you find an entry on page 4 before you, of 10 October, five months, inoculated ten persons in Schirmeck? Do you find that, Professor? A.Yes. Q.That indicates you inoculated some after 4 October 1943, vaccinations which you mentioned in your letter to Rose,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,775,600 | 2,776,100 |
what it says here, page 5, 10 October-14 October, ten persons, three-times point five, it says again. It only says it is a vaccination if this document is right. Q.Does the document say "Vaccinated ten persons, inoculated for the third time"? Is that what it said? A.Yes, it says so. In May at Schirmeck in the control g... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,776,050 | 2,776,550 |
THE PRESIDENT:Counsel may continue. EUGEN HAAGEN - Resumed CROSS EXAMANATION - Continued BY MR. McHANEY: QWith the permission of the Tribunal, I would like to direct a few additional questions to the witness concerning the last exhibit. This is prosecution exhibit 521 for identification which has again been handed to t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,776,500 | 2,777,000 |
clearly enough in the cross examination, why precisely in this control group you felt that you had to count on cases of sickness. Perhaps you could clarify that. Please do not go into the problem of subsequent infection at the moment. AI shall confine myself to the interpretation I gave yesterday. Sickness in this case... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,776,950 | 2,777,450 |
us Professor, whether this sent one refers to your work? AThat sentence comes from a report of 1942 so that sentence does not refer to my protective vaccinations. DR. TIPP:When I look at this document, your Honors, I see a number of points in it that will be of very considerable probative importance. There are clipping... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,777,400 | 2,777,900 |
been authenticated as genuine by the proper French authorities, and has been admitted into proof, I take it that this material is admissible and can be put to the witness and can be used for whatever value appears. DR. TIPP:From this document, as it is put together, and from individual sentences which taken by themselv... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,777,850 | 2,778,350 |
could this roll-call or examination refer to the one that you referred to in your direct examination? Perhaps I could read the next sentence, to make this clearer. "The gypsies provided by Ahnenerbe for Natzweiler from Auschwitz on 12 November have after medical examination been released from the concentration camp as ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,778,300 | 2,778,800 |
it is very difficult to read. The first line is altogether covered and the second line reads? "Part of the additional dressings needed were taken from the SS drug-store and the rest from the medical military department of the Anatomical Institute of the University of Strassbourg." Is it your opinion that this sentence ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,778,750 | 2,779,250 |
of the last monthly report they are speaking of the report from the month of February which we don't have here? AThe lapse of time would have had to be about two months so that, apparently, one report is missing here, a report that was made in that period of time? QThat is apparently the report at the end of February a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,779,200 | 2,779,700 |
were the individual expenditures in research assignment sharply kept separate or was the general policy that the funds could be spread around for the individual assignments and the funds for one assignment could be used to make up for deficits in the other assignment? AYes, that was customary. If you had several funds ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,779,650 | 2,780,150 |
letter. The first thing he put to you is on page 2 of this document, in the original it is toward the end of the second paragraph. You are speaking here of Serum Titer Values in connection with your, and I will quote: "The Serum Titer is considerably higher, even after a single vaccination, in comparison with triple va... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,780,100 | 2,780,600 |
sent from Waischenfeld, in Upper Frankonia on 30 September 1983? AThat can be seen from my letter to Hirt. If I had received this letter by then, I would have referred to it. This is document 120 and the letterhead is, "Institute for Military Scientific Research", and if I had received it, I should have referred to it.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,780,550 | 2,781,050 |
two different things on the one hand when you speak of test vaccinations and on the other hand, subsequent test infections, or do these both refer to the same thing. Are you using the two concepts simultaneously in tho words you explained in your direct examination? AYes, that is so. I am testing here the anti-infectio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,781,000 | 2,781,500 |
could only be decided by showing it to Miss Cordell herself. Q.You are no doubt quite right, professor. The only person who can identify the document one hundred percent would be Miss Crodell, but we do not have her here. Therefore, I must unfortunately ask you do you consider that the entire document was written by Mi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,781,450 | 2,781,950 |
returned with the original. TEE PRESIDENT:Defense counsel may proceed. Dr. TIPP: Mr. President, of course I shall ask the witness which parts he considers authentic and which not. First, I wanted to ask him whether he had may doubts at all. Now, Professor, you have the photostat before you. It is regrettable that the o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,781,900 | 2,782,400 |
not the handwriting of Miss Crodell", very well, but I can't see anything is to bo gained by his testifying to events now. He has already done that. THE PRESIDENT:Submit the photostat to the Tribunal, now. BY JUDGE SEBRING: Q.- Witness, are you familiar with the handwriting of Miss Crodell? A.- Yes, I do. Q.Will you pl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,782,350 | 2,782,850 |
of July. "Drawings of blood, Schirmeck, 10 persons." The vaccinations were performed in May, as the witness Hirz has confirmed, and the serological examinations were undertaken four weeks after the vaccinations, It seems to mo that this date is a little late. The only explanation I can think of is that Miss Crodell ent... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,782,800 | 2,783,300 |
is certainly a big mistake here. Q.- Now, witness, the entry of 6 July "Drawings of blood, Schirmeck 10 persons", that's the fourth entry on page 3. I quote: "6 July, Drawings of blood Schirmeck, 10 persons (3 had fever)" and then follow 3 figures which are apparently titer values. Then it goes on "the other two were n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,783,250 | 2,783,750 |
this question which I asked? THEPRESIDENT (Interrupting): The objection to that question is sustained. It is leading and suggesting. Q.Very well, Witness, the titer values of eight persons are listed here, probably you remember these are titer values of the persons given in your paper? A.Yes. I recognize them. Q.So tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,783,700 | 2,784,200 |
Crodell first describes something supposed to have taken place on the 1st of October 1943, and suddenly she jumps back to the 27th of January 1943? A.No; I cannot say. And the entry does not show what it was about. Q.As far as I know myself, Miss Crodell worked for you for a long time? A.Yes. Q.Was she such a sloppy wo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,784,150 | 2,784,650 |
time for argument, but counsel may proceed. Q.Witness, let us examine the document more closely. Let us look at Page 4. First of all, there is an entry of 14 May 1943. A capital "S", then three plus marks, 11 persons, 11 Tubes. Witness, can you explain this entry? A.It is 11 passages, not 11 persons. That is the number... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,784,600 | 2,785,100 |
of the entries are of any particular importance as far as the probative value of the document is concerned. I come to page 8; I believe it is the entry of the 25th of May, 1933. Do you have that entry, witness? AYes, 23 May 1933. QIn my copy it reads, together with capital "S", innoculated five tubes of M-1 at Natzweil... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,785,050 | 2,785,550 |
could not have been made by a scientifically trained assistant. ANo, we didn't have the material for that. QThen, if we assume hypothetically that this entry is correct assuming that you really knew that the people were infected with typhus, assuming that you knew they were vaccinated during the incubation period --1 g... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,785,500 | 2,786,000 |
altogether. However, the important thing is very low titer, which indicates neither a real typhus injection nor a vaccination with a living vaccine. QThen you say the formulation in tho titer values does not agree with your scientific experience and your knowledge of tho personality of Miss Crodell? Is that correct? AY... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,785,950 | 2,786,450 |
correctly you say that you told Hr. Meyer the number of tests made. He was the administrator who was in charge of the money and he was to collect the money; is that right? AYes? Mr. Meyer was in charge of the office of the Medical Testing Institution. He registered all the tests and he obtained the necessary funds. QNo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,786,400 | 2,786,900 |
95 in the English, 97 in the German. I repeat. Subject: "Approval of the memorandum of Oberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Haagen and B. Crodell: Experiments with a new dried typhus vaccine, second report." Is it correct, Professor, if I assume that this second report was the last one? AYes. QThe work approved on the 7th of Ju... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,786,850 | 2,787,350 |
Blanc, one cannot speak of any mutation. As a scientist, to be quite honest, I have nothing to conceal. I admit that our experience is not great enough yet. One must have millions of vaccinations before one can take the responsibility for this decision. To explain, a decision of the Reich Ministry of the Interior, I be... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,787,300 | 2,787,800 |
AIf you insist on 1/2 cc. I cannot answer the question. QLet's change the quantity to one which you could introduce by scarification. AIf we vaccinate by scarification we can expect that the effect of the vaccination will be the same as if we inject subcutaneously or intramuscularly. QIn other words, the method of appl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,787,750 | 2,788,250 |
1943, parentheses 9 months, that is nine months dated from the first of May 1943, isn't it, Professor? AThat's right, yes. QSo that indicates quite clearly that Miss Crodell had that same failing which most of us do have and carried over the date of the old year during the first month of the new year, isn't that right,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,788,200 | 2,788,700 |
to the stand. THE PRESIDENT:The Marshall will summon the witness Ernst Mettbach. ERNSTMETTBACH, a witness, took the stand testified as follows: BY JUDGE SEBRING: The witness will stand, raise his right hand and be sworn: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,788,650 | 2,789,150 |
chosen for this commando. Q.- How and when did the transport from Buchenwald to Dachau take place? A.- On the 8th or 9th of August we arrived at Dachau on a special transport; we spent the night in the bathhouse; the next day we were deloused; and we were given clean clothing and were sent to the quarantine station. Q.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,789,100 | 2,789,600 |
ask the witness to see if he can see the professor among the defendants? THE PRESIDENT:The witness may stand up and see if he can pick out the professor, defendant Beiglboeck. If he cannot from his witness chair, he may step out in front of the dock. A.- Yes, I see him. There he is over there, this short fellow here. T... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,789,550 | 2,790,050 |
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