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place as Professor Gebhardt described. QYou have heard various witnesses here, on whom experimen were carried out, and who show the damage that had been done on them. A Are these damages to be traced back to the experiments themselves, or are they the result of therapeutic means that word taken surgically to reduce inf... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,260,000 | 1,260,500 |
edges and there is no destruction of tissue around t* wound. For this reason it was possible in our experiments to have this therapeutic effect. However, actual was wounds are much different - the tissue is crushed, and so on. Thus the results could not be transferred to military medicine. Professor Gebhardt was greatl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,260,450 | 1,260,950 |
the experimental subjects. There was, of course, the language difficulty but, nevertheless, we did exchange words rather frequently. I was very sorry for the experimental subjects. Above all, because they were not free; and I found myself in an uncomfortable position because I had the feeling that I had done them harm.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,260,900 | 1,261,400 |
and it was a clinical rule of ours that we carried out a change of dressing on women always in the presence of other women, or another woman, and, for this reason also, it was pleasing to me that Dr. Oberheuser should be there playing an altogether passive role. She did not play an active role ever. QDid Dr. Oberheuser... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,261,350 | 1,261,850 |
and lived entirely within the circle of Hohenlychen, and it was not a pleasant task for me to go over to Ravensbrueck. At Hohenlychen I had the same tasks I had had previous to when any of the experiments started-- ambulant patients and so on, and only between 2:00 and 4:00 in the afternoon, namely the time when there ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,261,800 | 1,262,300 |
other operation room, the aseptic room. I knew only that he was dealing with the so-called osteogenic substance; he was attempting to prove that it existed in human tissue. I did not concern myself with his experiments further. It did happen at times when he was operating in one room and I was changing dressings in the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,262,250 | 1,262,750 |
subject. Do you have anything to add to that testimony? A.Yes, I do. This case appeared to me to be quite different from what Professor Gebhardt described it; but I believe that is because I saw it from a different perspective. Of the entire proceeding discussion and of the problem I know nothing. I must say something ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,262,700 | 1,263,200 |
limbs or part of limbs; and in Lexer's book the surgery of restoration and in the book on the free transplantation of limbs chapters are devoted to this subject. We In Hohenlychen had not carried out any such operations heretofore, and the assistants were allowed to pursue the problem of remobilization in their own way... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,263,150 | 1,263,650 |
technique, the diagonal cut across the shoulder blade. I then climbed into the car that stood outside, went to Ravensbruck, and found a patient prepared. The camp physicians had already washed and dressed for the operation. I took off my second surgical apron, washed myself, tried out the incision as told by Lexer, cut... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,263,600 | 1,264,100 |
and chemists, had found out that all micro-organisms as they belonged to plants were bacteria, and these bacteria all reacted to sulfanilamide. That is something that does not originate from us, but was a statement we knew of. Spirochaetes and protozon were not sensitive to sulfanilamides, and we didn't find that out e... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,264,050 | 1,264,550 |
position to draw any conclusions from that, and I know that was also the motive of professor Gebhardt, because we wanted to free ourselves under all circumstances from the obligation to carry out any further experiments. That is why we only carried out these experiments on dead tissue of plants. The idea was that was t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,264,500 | 1,265,000 |
evaluate the results. I should like to state that this is the group which Professor Rostock remembered when he was speaking about a group amounting to approximately 20 persons. From these charts, it could also be seen that 12 persons from these 24 only showed local diseases which were not dangerous, the chart showing f... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,264,950 | 1,265,450 |
limited effectiveness of sulfanilimide was clearly shown, and especially with reference to wound infections. that in spite of that the mechanical therapeutical treatment was suggested to the practicing physician as an additional treatment, but in addition by way of a certain drug ho had to be told that he considered gi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,265,400 | 1,265,900 |
tasks in the SS or in the Party? A.I had nothing at all to do with the Party. I never attended any Party meeting or any of their functions. I was never very clear about my party membership and only here during an interrogation did I hear that I had a certain number as a Party member. Before that I had not known that. I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,265,850 | 1,266,350 |
these were the statement male by Professor Gebhardt. All this happened after the collapse and everything that was connected with it. It was the first time that I again heard of all these events and it was the first time when I had to try to reconstruct the entire events as they took place at that time. That is how it i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,266,300 | 1,266,800 |
preceding interrogation and he assured me, at that time, that at a later date I should have the opportunity to give an explanation in regard to these matters. At that time I said -and this is most important - that according to my information the experiments had to be done in the interest and in the service of the Germa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,266,750 | 1,267,250 |
of the witnesses that Professor Genzken was in Karlsbad, I cannot maintain my assertion with reference to his presence. Q.What did you do after leaving Berlin and Hohenlychen after this meeting in May 1943? A.During that entire period I had always volunteered for service with a division. Dr. Gebhardt had told me that i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,267,200 | 1,267,700 |
the motives and the circumstances that surrounded it. That the motive that lay behind the activities for which I am here on trial was exclusively that of helping wounded persons. In that uniquely difficult period I wanted to help the millions of wounded persons. The act was committed by me as an obedient member of the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,267,650 | 1,268,150 |
acts which as independent agents they would never have committed, and which were against their innermost and personal feelings. I believe that the situation is analagous. I believe that my situation was the same at the time, the same situation in which the individual soldier fires a torpedo against a ship and another s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,268,100 | 1,268,600 |
time were ready to conquer the fear that we felt as human beings, as creatures, to overcome our inner weaknesses and to put into the background all the hopes and plans that we had for the betterment of mankind and to place in the forefront our desires as medical men to assist mankind. In other words, we accepted the la... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,268,550 | 1,269,050 |
Mrugowsky knew anything of the sulfonamide experiments? A.No. What I know I have already attempted to say. So far as I remember, Professor Gebhardt spoke to me of a letter from the Hygienic Institute, or it could have been from Mrugowsky's Institute. It is too difficult for me not to clarify that here. I have no other ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,269,000 | 1,269,500 |
that this was a problem for the armed forces and that this problem had not yet been decided by him personally in all its details. Q.Professor Gebhardt actually went on further to state, didn't he, that the Wehrmacht should have made these experiments itself but that he was ordered to conduct them? A.Gebhardt told me th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,269,450 | 1,269,950 |
death for such experiments? AHow am I to understand or construe this verb "discussed?" Whether I spoke with Gebhardt about it or challenged this position? I ask you to please repeat the question. QI will rephrase my question. Did you over discuss the legality, that is did you or Gebhardt over have a discussion whether ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,269,900 | 1,270,400 |
in my battalion and from others in the course of the War, they had to commit acts which they as individuals regretted, and which they as individuals would never have committed on their own initiative. QDr. Fischer, if I understand you correctly, as a doctor, that is disassociating yourself from the position as a soldie... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,270,350 | 1,270,850 |
I did not concern myself with these matters any further for reasons that you will understand, than it was necessary for me to carry out the orders that I had received. QYou say it wasn't apparent that these girls had been forced into these experiments; would you say then they were all happy they had been operated on? A... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,270,800 | 1,271,300 |
soldier who receives an order. Q.Now, Doctor, is it true that these girls after having undergone the experiments were shot? A.Of that I know nothing, Mr. Prosecutor. Q.Now, we have introduced evidence here that these girls were not pardoned. Miss Szupulska, in her affidavit, which is Document No. 873, page 52 of Docume... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,271,250 | 1,271,750 |
and I believe Gebhardt told me it was the R.S.H.A., who chose the list which was handed to him of the chosen persons and that the medical authorities of the camp, the camp physician or his deputy were simply to carry out the physical examination of these people. Q.Well, now, isn't it true from the affidavits and eviden... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,271,700 | 1,272,200 |
affidavit; which was written in November; 1945; you stated that these bacterial culturals used in the experiments were obtained from the Hygienist to the Waffen SS: do you still maintain that they were obtained from the Hygienist to the Waffen SS? AYes, I know that is correct. QNow you are refuting the fact; as stated ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,272,150 | 1,272,650 |
it became apparent that up to that point the inflicted wounds did not simulate actual battlefield woulds, is that right? A.You stated it a little too broadly. When we saw that the inflammation that arose in the first experiments really was not an inflammation at all, consequently it was no effective test of the effecti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,272,600 | 1,273,100 |
sick, and I know what an unhappy fate it is to be sick. On the other hand, I know that the pains that make sickness so serious a matter are not in every case dangerous pains. I would like to say that there are sicknesses that are painful but not dangerous, and there are other sicknesses that are less painful but much m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,273,050 | 1,273,550 |
a question, I don't want you to go into this tete a tete about the fact that you were fully aware of the pain and suffering. I just want to find out wny you didn't do something about it. As you know, Mr. McHaney and I have always contended that you could have done something about it. Now I will continue. You did know t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,273,500 | 1,274,000 |
the infection spreading by the use of his surgical knife and this was the case with those persons who did not receive sulfanilimide. QNow, doctor, you have heard in this court room the witness Madzka who testified to the effect that the victims of these experiments who died, that is the Polish girls Kuraska, Peplawka, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,273,950 | 1,274,450 |
tetanus in connection with those experiments. Bid you ever consider that sulfanilimide was a potent remedy against tetanus? ANo, nor is it true. Sulfonimides do not have any effect on tetanus germs. We never carried out any innoculations with tetanus. That is out of the question. QNow, Madzka says again on page 1439 of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,274,400 | 1,274,900 |
is that right? ANo, if you got that impression the translation was not correct. I wanted to say that being used for work would not have been a great burden on the great part of those who were experimented upon, and in the case of the last group who were seriously sick, they could not work for some period of time. AWell... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,274,850 | 1,275,350 |
be read in the publications of Dr. Stumpfegger. As far as I am informed, Dr. Stumpfegger wanted to prove something else and that was the austegiene substance, a certain power which only could be tested in relation to the human being. QDid you over remove extremities or parts of extremities from any inmate of the Ravens... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,275,300 | 1,275,800 |
you know whether he gave consent to the removal of his scapula, which is the main bony part of the shoulder girdle? A.No, I did not know that either. I tried to describe to you today what the special situation was under which I was assigned to do the job and under what situation I mobilize that shoulder blade. QI am fu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,275,750 | 1,276,250 |
effect? A.Mr. Hardy, you expect me to critically define myself to a testimony which was made by my former chief physician and by my medical teacher. I ask you to consider that and I want to tell you the following. The patient, Ladisch, had a swelling which obviously looked malignant. It was in the area of the shoulder ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,276,200 | 1,276,700 |
school of Lexer, mostly in the case of a swelling which is just on the borderline of malignacy, as was the case here. In text books it is quite easy to decide what is malignant and what is not, but in reality the case is different. In the case of Ladisch, the borderline had just been reached, and a decision was extreme... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,276,650 | 1,277,150 |
this old settled problem, that homeoplastic transplantations were unsuccessful, was it indicated at all, wouldn't you think it would first be advisable to re-investigate this problem in animals before depriving human beings perhaps of their limbs? AI am not quite clear where your emphasis lies in putting that question.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,277,100 | 1,277,600 |
plastic operation on the bone. QWell, now, do you know, Dr. Fischer, that the prisoner, Helena Teasakka, one of the Polish girls, is still severely ill from a crippling osteomylitis ever since the bone operation was performed in the summer of 1943, do you know that? ANo, I don't know that, Mr. Prosecutor, and I must as... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,277,550 | 1,278,050 |
concentration camp inmates were used? AI endeavored to remember that exactly.At that time, and always since, I had a conception that that was so. I myself didn't report on that, since I only mentioned the technical part. The introductory words were spoken by Professor Doctor Gebhardt. As I now try to concentrate on the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,278,000 | 1,278,500 |
in 1942 was the escort physician of Himmler. QWell, during the time that Stumpfegger was at Hohenlychen engaged in his activities at Ravensbrueck did Gebhardt, the Gruppenfuehrer, always insist on absolute obedience on the part of Dr. Stumpfegger? AStumpfegger, on the basis of his position with the Reichs Fuehrer, held... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,278,450 | 1,278,950 |
President, I believe that I can remember what Dr. Gebhardt testified as a witness on the stand. I think I can say with certainty that he made no utterance of that contents. It can only be a question of a mistake in the translation, and I should like to state at this opportunity that in view of the incorrect translation... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,278,900 | 1,279,400 |
at which you saw any of these subjects. Was it merely three weeks? ANo. During these changes of dressings patients, experimental subjects from previous experiments reported for changes of their dressing, so that I could check on the patients for a period up to eight weeks. QWere any plans made by you and Gebhardt for r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,279,350 | 1,279,850 |
Your Honor so sees fit, I would like to finish today. QWell now, Doctor, you operated on these girls. You were the operating surgeon. Didn't you feel responsible for them? AMr. Prosecutor, at that time I was quite clear about that, and I have to revert to the entire situation once more, that during the war situations a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,279,800 | 1,280,300 |
exist, had occurred or had not occurred? this was the only channel I had for any such discussion. QWell then, Doctor, after these experiments in a place that was twelve kilometers from Hohenlychen, those girls were merely abandoned, young ladies like Miss Kiesmierszak who was here in this courtroom, to the tender merci... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,280,250 | 1,280,750 |
it please Your Honor, all defendants are present in court with the exception of the defendant Oberheuser who is absent due to illness. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the defendant Oberheuser, who is absent in the hospital on account of illne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,280,700 | 1,281,200 |
who legally had to decide on it. MR. HARDY:I submit that we have gone over this same line of question time and time again and I object to this or questions of this sort. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal is of the opinion that this matter has been gone into quite thoroughly on examination of counsel. It does not desire to res... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,281,150 | 1,281,650 |
question. QIs it true that in 1943 Dr. Stumpfegger came to Hohenlychen with a special order from Himmler and was to that extent not under the medical supervision of Dr. Gebhardt? AThat was in 1942. Yes, Dr. Stumpfegger came at that time with a special order from Himmler, whose escort physician he was, to Hohenlychen, a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,281,600 | 1,282,100 |
I was called to Paris for a conference on military medical matters and there met Professor Gebhardt. Q.The experimental persons in the sulfonamide series were subsequently examined by you. When did the checking on them cease and what was the diagnosis on them when you turned them back over to the camp physicians? AFor ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,282,050 | 1,282,550 |
the essential and decisive differences. In my opinion, the decisive thing, aside from the fact it was an order, was the fact that my motive was that of helping wounded persons, and secondarily, the belief that the persons on whom experiments were to be carried out had been condemned to death. I have already discussed t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,282,500 | 1,283,000 |
Gebhardt when he testified as a witness how this order came to be given and what the motives for it were. AYes, I remember that. QThe situation was that Professor Gebhardt said at one point, perhaps in summarizing, "The purpose of this order was that under no circumstances to suffer any unnecessary losses in the Waffen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,282,950 | 1,283,450 |
supplementary volume are a second document book for all three defendants whom I represent. As in the case of the first document book I shall present all of the documents under the heading Gebhardt" but should like to retain the right to refer to these documents in the defense oh my other defendants. THE PRESIDENT:Will ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,283,400 | 1,283,900 |
not the case, then we defense counsel do not need to concern ourselves with these further problem in our defense of the defendants. Perhaps it would be well if the Prosecution made a statement on this subject soon. It would also be well if another point were clarified, towit: I believe that on the last day of the openi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,283,850 | 1,284,350 |
Kosmehl - H-E-R-B-E-R-T. DR. HERBERTKOSHEHL: a witness, took the stand and testified as follow. BY JUDGE SEBRING: Q.Hold up your right hand and be sworn, repeating after me the oath. I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,284,300 | 1,284,800 |
one went there were representatives in uniform, with whom one had to state one's point of view. Dr. Wagner, at that time, saw to it that I was given a political rank. Q.And that is why you are automatically under arrest now? A.Yes. Q.Dr. Kosmehl, since the end of 1933 you were with the doctors' organization which was f... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,284,750 | 1,285,250 |
who at that time was still in Mecklenburg. It was only much later that DR. Blome entered the Reich physicians Leader-hip itself, roughly 1935 or 1936. Therefore I had seen him in the course of the years at doctors' meetings or saw him if he was on official business in Munich. Q.But then from 1935 or 1936 on how was it ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,285,200 | 1,285,700 |
could not do so in any better was by appointing Dr. Blome as deputy for Dr. Conti, as he had belonged to the inner circle around Dr. Wagner. For that reason, by a specific order on the part of Hitler, he was appointed as deputy, something which was in itself not the usual course. QDr. Kosmehl, we will later deal with t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,285,650 | 1,286,150 |
entitled: "Thou Shalt Not Kill," the author of which was in favor of Euthanasia. As far as I know, Dr. Blome also treated on this subject in his book entitled: "The Physician in combat and he has taken the attitude versus Euthanasia without a legal basis. During the war and as time were on, I believe during the first y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,286,100 | 1,286,600 |
Reichs Physicians Leadership must something about such events; on the other hand, they turned to these organizations specifically because a few years priority that, when the law regarding hereditary diseases was passed many persons turned to these two organizations with complaints in cases which did not fell For certai... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,286,550 | 1,287,050 |
Dr. Blome, about these complaints concerning Euthanasia? AI believe I did talk to Blome about them. QDo you know what Blome's position was at that time, what his attitude was? ASo far as I can remember, I asked him if he knew anything about these matters or whether there is anything to it. I also found out he knew no m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,287,000 | 1,287,500 |
position in the Euthanasia program, and, therefore, I should like to hear from you something about the relationship between Dr. Conti and his deputy, Dr. Blome. Was that relationship such that one could assume that Dr. Conti informed his deputy of all details, or was it such that one could assume that Dr. Conti had pri... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,287,450 | 1,287,950 |
from informing him on all important matters. QDr. Kosmehl, I should like to ask one last question on the subject of euthanasia. Now on the basis of the trial we know that the execution of the euthanasia program was in the hands of the amtsaerzte and directors of the insane asulums. Will you please tell us were these of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,287,900 | 1,288,400 |
charges against Dr. Blome, and made Dr. Blome responsible for conditions in the medical profession, in particular, the elimination of Jewish doctors step by step from practice, did Dr. Blome have any part in these measures? I am referring to the limitations imposed on the Jewish doctors, and then the regulations, they ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,288,350 | 1,288,850 |
manent deputy and that he occasionally can give someone a special assignment, and that was the case here just as earlier Dr. Grothe became the leader of the public office of the Chamber of Physicians in Berlin. Also in other cases this path was pursued. QDr. Kosmehl, do you know that in the course of years the relation... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,288,800 | 1,289,300 |
openly in these matters. Blome was forced by Ley at that time to break off his plan for public meetings which he had planned for many large cities. He had already spoken in Hamburg and Duesseldorf. Because of these meeting Dr. Ley wanted to bring Blome before a Party Court, charging him with carrying on activities prej... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,289,250 | 1,289,750 |
concerning the Reich Chamber of Physicians and to devote himself to cancer research. It was particularly noticeable to all his associates in Munich, that at the same time Blome moved to Munich, Dr. Conti transferred two physicians from Berlin to Munich who enjoyed his particular confidences. These were Dr. Roehrs and D... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,289,700 | 1,290,200 |
were under Dr. Conti himself? AI know of such an order. I saw a memorandum of Dr. Conti's persona ly. It was specifically mentioned in this memorandum to Dr. Blome, that Dr. Conti reserved for himself all important matters and that Dr. Blome was empowe ed only to deal with incidental and unimportant matters himself. On... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,290,150 | 1,290,650 |
hand, it was in the very nature of Dr. Conti that he answered that in political spheres he had had success in many different branches, and it was obvious that he wanted to take all the credit this work of Dr. Blome's. Dr. Blome then, in opposition to Conti's instruction showed his paper to Dr. Bormann with the request ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,290,600 | 1,291,100 |
then can you say why Dr. Conti did not simply dismiss Dr. Alone, he then could have appointed Dr. Kaufmann, for example, whom you mentioned. A.I am dealing now with the question I spoke of this morning, when I spoke of Conti's being called as Reich's Health header and Dr. Blome as his assistant. At that time, as I said... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,291,050 | 1,291,550 |
me that he had drawn up a memo randum regarding a conference in which he made the suggestions to Dr. Conti. Dr. Blome made the suggestion to Conti particularly because he had taken part in world War I from the beginning until its conclusion as a combat officer and not as a doc tor. He had been decorated with the highes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,291,500 | 1,292,000 |
and did not know the human body as a whole organism but simply saw the organism as a whole from their Particular field. of specialization, and this was to be avoided. Q.Then if I have understood you correctly, Dr. Blome issued regulations that general practitioners had to continue their studies. Is that true? A.It is. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,291,950 | 1,292,450 |
Doctor, do you know that Dr. Blome took a great interest in medical post-graduate training on an international basis? What can you tell us about that and about his success? A.In the field of medical post-graduate training Dr. Blome had, in my opinion, great success. He also worked in the international field of medical ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,292,400 | 1,292,900 |
which I took part, repeatedly pointed out in opposition to other doctors, his opinion that it was an absolute human duty for a German doctor to take over treatment of a Jewish person under such circumstances, and if I recall correctly he also stated this at a Congress in Bad Elster in 1942, the question having been bro... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,292,850 | 1,293,350 |
I said this morning, Dr. Conti wanted to stay in closer touch with party organizations and indeed went so far that the Reich Chamber of Physicians was to be coordinated with the party organization, thus for every gau that the party had, he wanted to set up a special chamber of physicians. That was not otherwise the cas... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,293,300 | 1,293,800 |
the main office for public health. Dr Bormann even went so far as to forbid even any mention of this office and threatened his subordinates in the party chancellery with being fined if they brought it up. DR. SAUTER:Mr. President, I have no further questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY DR. SERVATIUS: Q.Servatius for the Defe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,293,750 | 1,294,250 |
considered pro and con? A.That could be, yes. It was a very extensive work if I may so express myself. I never read it in detail, and since it did not fall within my confidence, I am only superficially acquainted with this whole matter. Q.Would you in this case in the legal treatment of this question of the socializati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,294,200 | 1,294,700 |
the legal basis of Euthanasia is as far as it was carried out unknown to you? A.No, it isn't. Q.Do you know of the decree of Hitler of the 1st of September, '39? A.I don't know about it. Q.Then I may tell you briefly the contents of this decree. DR. FROESCHMANN:Mr. President, unfortunately, I do not have the decree her... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,294,650 | 1,295,150 |
two offices. These complaints did not make any particular impression, particularly, if one knew that most of these things were sent by people of bad faith or crack-pots. QWitness, is it true that there were frequently complaints dealing with the fate of some relative which were sent by persons who themselves were psych... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,295,100 | 1,295,600 |
witness on the stand in connection with this document? DR. FROESCHMANN:Mr. President, I merely wanted to ask the witness one question, whether the decree of the Fuehrer leads to the conclusion that there was a program. MR. HARDY:No objection, Your Honor. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel may proceed. QWitness, have you read the de... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,295,550 | 1,296,050 |
chose Dr. Bolme. He knew all the people mentioned very well. He decided in favor of Dr. Blome. Bormann then told Hitler what his opinion was in this matter. QWhat gave Hitler or Bormann reason to believe that Blome could be faithful to the principles of the Reich Physicians' Leader Wagner and to the NSDAP? A.Blome and ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,296,000 | 1,296,500 |
also the respective spheres of competency. The Reich Ministry of Interior was superior in this respect to all professional societies that had anything to do with health, not only German doctors but also the professional societies of druggists, dentist, and so on down to nurses; to that extent the Reich Ministry of Inte... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,296,450 | 1,296,950 |
of fact you stated, was able to succeed in governing and controlling of laws against hereditary diseases. Well, now, it must follow that his successor, Conti, as Reichsarztefuehrer, would have had the same capacity regarding Euthanasia, wouldn't it? A.The question is not correct in this sense. Dr. Wagner as Reichsarzte... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,296,900 | 1,297,400 |
the accuracy of a report received by the relatives, according to which the patients had died a natural death. Q.Well, now these reports as I understand it were shown to Blome, weren't they? A.I do not know at the moment, but I assume that I showed them to Blome. Q.Did you have any discussion with Blome about them? A.I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,297,350 | 1,297,850 |
Dr. Wagner was quite an extraordinary person and an authority who in every respect, in contrast to his successor, Dr. Conti, was recognized everywhere. Dr. Wagner, in contrast to Dr. Conti, had the opportunity of seeing Hitler at any tine he wished and to express any wishes he had to Hitler personally and he was listen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,297,800 | 1,298,300 |
to me, witness, that Conti, in his triple capacity - that is, Secretary of State, Reichsaerztefuehrer, an Reichsgesundheitsfuehrer - that whenever he was engaged in any shady activities, that those activities only arose but of his position as Secretary of State in the Reichs Ministry of Interior and not in his position... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,298,250 | 1,298,750 |
in addition to these offices. Q.Well then, do you know that Blome was concerned with some of these racial problems? AHe no doubt discussed such things in individual cases and worked on them, but whether he was empowered to decide, I do not know. I myself once submitted a case to him. During the war in France I had a co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,298,700 | 1,299,200 |
them, and I also said that within tho medical profession the Deputy Chief of the Government Insurance Society of Germany carried out these regulations. QWell, now, the Reichsaerztefuehrer's office, as I understand it, executed or carried out these restrictions on the Jewish doctors, didn't they, -- the Reichs Physician... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,299,150 | 1,299,650 |
and he left Munich at the end of 1942, as I recall. QWell, now, Doctor, you are a lawyer, aren't you? AYes. QAnd on these medical problems of a secret nature--suppose that they were discussing euthanasia, Blome and Conti--they wouldn't invite you into any conferences, would they? ANo. QAnd it is highly possible that Bl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,299,600 | 1,300,100 |
especially under the era of Conti, who was higher SS Obergruppenfuehrer, who would have liked to have me or Blome join the SS. I personally did not do so because I did not want to sell myself to Dr. Conti, and that also was probably the reason for Blome too. QWould you know that Blome was approached and asked to join t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,300,050 | 1,300,550 |
Dr. Brandt received his assignment of coordination. QDr. Kosmehl, do you not believe that there is a certain significance for Dr. Conti in maintaining his position? First, that he was a very old party member, and secondly, that he had a high rank in the SS, that he was an SS Gruppenfuehrer, do you not believe that thes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,300,500 | 1,301,000 |
little earlier today that the former Reichsaerztefuehrer Dr. Wagner, in his capacity as Reichsaerztefuehrer, had the opportunity to supervise the law about hereditary diseases, or to change it or some such thing; now I should like to know the following: Do you know that the former Reichsaerztefuehrer Dr. Wagner in the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,300,950 | 1,301,450 |
would deal with this matter too thoroughly. QDid you not know, Doctor, that this so-called Party Chancellory, that is, the Chancellory of Hess and later Bormann, was declared competent for all complaints coming from the population about abuses within the Party or in the State? AYes, I believe I said that myself this mo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,301,400 | 1,301,900 |
MARSHAL:May it please your Honor, all the defendants are present in court with the exception of the defendant Oberheuser, absent due to illness. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the defendant Oberheuser, who is in the hospital ill and has been... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,301,850 | 1,302,350 |
three children, from two to seven years? AYes. QYou went through a course of studies? AYes. QYou became a doctor? AYes. QYou studied in institutes and became a professional doctor? AYes. QAnd you started your own practice in Rostock? AYes. QAs practicioner there in dermatology? AYes. QYou were in the first world war, y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,302,300 | 1,302,800 |
Honor, it is suggested that this entire book written by the defendant he introduced under one exhibit number rather than having each extract containing a different exhibit number, in as much as the prosecution may well use sections of this book during the course of cross-examination, and I wouldn't want to be held to g... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,302,750 | 1,303,250 |
a personality of special character. So I always remember that from my ninth year I always fell ill with appendicitis with severe pains exactly at Christmas time. The fifth time, however, it was especially bad. The same doctor was always called by my parents and I had great confidence in his skill. This time the operati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,303,200 | 1,303,700 |
as to whether we should not join the Communists, as a small party of the so-called intellectual circle of Germans had done. The most important reason for our rejecting Communism was its dictatorial form of Government. That National Socialism would ever develop into an absolute power I did not suspect at the time. Q.Wit... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,303,650 | 1,304,150 |
go from the SA to the SS. Is that correct, and can you explain this point, especially about the motive why you did not join the SS? A.That is true, that I was on various occasions asked to join the SS. AT the end of 1933, or in the beginning of 1934, I was suddenly called to Berlin, and the Office of Reichs Physician S... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,304,100 | 1,304,600 |
(Fortbildongswesen in Germany. In 1939, I became Deputy Reich Leader Physician, (Deputy Reichsaerztefuehrer), and at the same time Nominal Deputy Chief at the main office for Public Health at the Party and of the National Socialist League of Physicians. The Reich Chamber of Physicians was a legal entity. I believe that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,304,550 | 1,305,050 |
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