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not participated in any such course in their whole life. On the basis of the experience of Dr. Wagner and myself as practicing physicians, we considered it right, in the interest of public health and also in the interest of each doctor, to make post-graduate study a duty for the doctor. That was done in the law which I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,305,000 | 1,305,500 |
international academy for post graduate medical studies should be created. This suggestion was accepted without objection, and for the coming year, that is for 1938, the establishment of the academy in Budapest was decided upon. This ceremony took place in Budapest in 1938, and numerous nations participated; and at thi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,305,450 | 1,305,950 |
you whether that is correct? So that I don't have to read the whole report and thus save time, the first point is, that also the practicing physician and the licensed doctor must go through a certain training in order to reach the necessary heights of science, and the other point, which I can see from your reports is y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,305,900 | 1,306,400 |
and taught there is borne by me alone and I am glad to bear this responsibility. What was taught there was decent and good. It was morally and medically on a high level and it can be defended before the world. Lectures on human experiments not given there as the Prosecution assumes. The main purpose of this training wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,306,350 | 1,306,850 |
called in to Bormann - was given a reprimand and Bormann said that Wagner and I should be careful - we should keep our mouths shut or something would happen to us. Wagner was not much affected by this. He once said to Bormann; "I don't give a damn. If this goes too far for me I will go to Hitler and will tell him somet... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,306,800 | 1,307,300 |
that is, so-called "school medicine", was frequently disavowed by important people and the lay ***ler in Germany was admired by these people. Thus, Dr. Warner, ******the beginning of 1934, had to invite the lay healer who treated Hess to ***ecti********actors at Munich. Hess took part in the beginning of the meeting hi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,307,250 | 1,307,750 |
by giving your name to the Rudolf Hess Hospital." I completed my statements and I said: "If you gentlemen decide that in addition to the doctor, the lay healer is to be given legal sanction, then you will be the death of the new German medical science." I don't believe that one could speak any more clearly than that. I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,307,700 | 1,308,200 |
as a"famulus" - that is, practicing student before his state examination. This was an arrangement which had not existed before which only helped the training of the German doctor. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will now be in recess. (A recess was taken.) THE MARSHALL:The Tribunal is again in session. BY DR. SAUTER: QWitne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,308,150 | 1,308,650 |
ask you now to take note of two documents, which are contained in Document Book Blome and a Supplementary volume 1. These are contained in Document Book Blome on Page 11 of Document Book No. 3; a letter of professor Dr. von Bergmann. I repeat Document Book Blome, page 11, Document No. 3, a letter from Professor Dr. von... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,308,600 | 1,309,100 |
not publically certified. This is not necessary as the difference is between the public servant and the private individual and the difference between the public legal document and a simple private document. I would also like to point out, Your Honors, I do not think that a high official can understand or see my point i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,309,050 | 1,309,550 |
prosecu**on authorities. THE PRESIDENT:These documents would certainly be refused by the Court if offered by the prosecution if I heard any objection by the defendant. If counsel desires to request the attendance of these wit nesses, the Tribunal will approve the request. BY DR. SAUTER: Q.Witness, you have heard that I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,309,500 | 1,310,000 |
Blome, not to deal with your relationship to Dr. Conti in detail. This will come up later. Please only talk about this particular point. A.It is true that Dr. Conti interpreted his office almost exclusively as a political one and that he used his training as a physician only as a reasonable excuse for his holding that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,309,950 | 1,310,450 |
I knew that Kersten had a large international practice. He treated leading personalges from all over the world, people from politics, the arts, scientists and he also treated members of the Swedish and English Royal houses. For part of the year, he practiced in Sweden for which he received official approval from the Ge... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,310,400 | 1,310,900 |
in his capacity as Reich Physicians 'Chamber, the professional society of German physicians. Here, too, there were fields in which I did not represent him because according to law, the Reich Physicians' Leader could commission other people besides his deputy to do Certain tasks. In the Hauptamt fuer Volkagesundheit, I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,310,850 | 1,311,350 |
you remember Q.In the interest of saving time, I would like to ask you if this statement Dr. Kosmehl made yesterday is correct in your opinion? Do you agree with all he said? A.Yes. Q.Would you like to add something special, something perhaps which Dr. Kosmehl had not mentioned? Or are you satisfied with all Dr. Kosmeh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,311,300 | 1,311,800 |
you to let me know and tell us, did you also work in the same house with Dr. Conti or were your offices arid those of Dr. Conti's in different houses? AAfterApril 1939 we were parted. We had our offices both in the Haus der Deutschen Aerzte on Lindenstrasse. In 1940 the Haus der Deutschen Aerzte was hit by a bomb; knoc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,311,750 | 1,312,250 |
centralize to a greater central research in Germany. The president of the Reich Research Counsel had at his disposal for carrying out of his business the following: First the Planning Counsel whose director was Professor Menzel. This was in charge of all administrative and financial matters of the Reich Research Counse... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,312,200 | 1,312,700 |
Honor, all defendants are present in court with the exception of the defendant Oberheuser who is absent on account of illness. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the defendant Oberheuser who is excused on account of illness, being in the hospita... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,312,650 | 1,313,150 |
order given? Did the specialist leader (Fachspartenleiter), viz. the departmental leader or the respective scientific control, the individual specialist leader who was an expert, give these orders himself, or did the entire Reich Research Council or a major section of it have to meet in order to decide these Orders? Ho... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,313,100 | 1,313,600 |
were not paid for our activities. Our work was honorary. I have never received a penny from the Reich Research Council--not even so-called per diems. That I would like to say in order to correct your expression "official." As far as these reports were concerned, their purpose was mainly, in my opinion, to inform Goerin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,313,550 | 1,314,050 |
to make value of these assignments. For instance, in the clinic of Professor von Eicken in Berlin, if there was an order in this clinic about throat cancer, it was certain that the scientists concerned published this report in magazines, and gave it thus to the scientists and doctors. QTherefore, it was not the case th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,314,000 | 1,314,500 |
to know one thing more. What you have told us now, was that the whole activity of the Reich Research Council -- the giving out of assignments, the financing of same, the receiving of reports, etc., -- or had the Reich Research Council other purposes and if so, which? AI know nothing about additional tasks of the Reich ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,314,450 | 1,314,950 |
these institutions. Thus, all cases of cancer were being dealt with in a way that had never been done before. To make use of all material, a large number of questionnaires were filled out, but our adversaries were taken by surprise from Russian part in 1945 and the material would not be returned; but I hope that in the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,314,900 | 1,315,400 |
of June 1943 I took over this Nesselstedt officially. I must also mention that this Central Institute for Cancer Research, which I had founded - after I had teen made the Plenipotentiary for Cancer Research, I was elected as a leading neater of the Reich Research Council. Q.Professor Blome, in this book which I offered... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,315,350 | 1,315,850 |
examination has run, for some time, far beyond the field of evidence in this case. The Tribunal does not desire to unduly limit witnesses. The witness may tell what he has done but these extensive excursions into fields wholly unconnected with this case has really, in this instance, gone far enough. The book which the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,315,800 | 1,316,300 |
people's diseases. If I made these tasks the main aims of my life, it is obvious that a war can only hinder or destroy these aims. I did not think the war necessary just because of the Polish corridor-whoever started this war. I hated the second World War from its very beginning. When our people began to recover from t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,316,250 | 1,316,750 |
it with other defendants, even if you know them? ANo. QAlso the euthanasia program is charged. You are charged with having talked about this with the defendant Brack. When and where was this, and why? Please be short, because we must deal with this point later. AI did not speak about the euthanasia program with the def... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,316,700 | 1,317,200 |
were certified by people like Stumpfegger. I also know that there was one former co-student of Himmler who told me that Himmler made abusive remarks about Conti at a time when Gerhard Wagner was still alive. I also know that Himmler was not in favor of Conti succeeding Gerhard Wagner. QAlso on the point of conspiracy I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,317,150 | 1,317,650 |
to say to this point? AThis must have been a mistake of the Prosecution in the form of a reading mistake because if the Prosecution had read what it says in the context, it could have stated and found out that in this meeting it was an Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Gross, because the man who was my assistant was only a Stur... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,317,600 | 1,318,100 |
freezing experiments, page 68. This document 401, document of the Prosecution No. 401, Exhibit 93, a record about a scientific discussion of the 27 October 1942, in Nurnberg. This is the famous meeting about freezing experiments. Were you present at this meeting and did you hear about these horrible Dachau freezing exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,318,050 | 1,318,550 |
discussion Professor Holz also took part on my iniative. QWhat impression did you gain from Dr. Rascher as a doctor and as a person? ARascher made a favorable impression on me to start with but without question he was a so-called bluffer. He is a man who undertakes to make an impression, a good impression for a short o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,318,500 | 1,319,000 |
your affidavit - do you still make those same assertions and what do you have to say regarding them? A.What I said is true, Racher informed me briefly of his concluded experiments on human beings and also about the technical way in which they were carried out. I asked him then whether nothing had happened during these ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,318,950 | 1,319,450 |
of experiments. He told me he intended to set up a so-called cancer station for Rascher so that this vegetable extract could be tested there. He had instituted inquiring in all concentrate camps but had been informed that there were none or only one person suffering from cancer in all the concentration camps. I reminde... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,319,400 | 1,319,900 |
in the fields of cancer, of polygal, the blood coagulant, and also in connection with a newly developed canned potato, which was of great interest to us from the point of view of providing food. But I did no work in this field of any sort. The work that was done is to be traced back to the efforts on the part of Herr F... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,319,850 | 1,320,350 |
at your disposal for research at your Institute in Nesselstedt in Posen, and apparently some such thing was agreed upon;" would you care to make a statement on this subject? ARascher asked me to use him in my Institute. He told this to Himmler and I also spoke with Himmler about this. All this is true, but Rascher was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,320,300 | 1,320,800 |
sort were issued during the War. This provided certain of the prerequisites for a habilitation. He then took up the question of this habilitation with Professor Menzel in his capacity as Office Chief in the Science Department of The Ministry of Culture, particularly because the works that Rascher had carried out in his... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,320,750 | 1,321,250 |
a specialist, namely. And then as I recall, at the end of 1943 I received from Rascher a very extensive paper with the request that I help him become habilitated. I opened up this paper, read through it, paged through it, that is. I remember it was full of charts, but I didn't actually read the paper, which did not int... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,321,200 | 1,321,700 |
out; at the very most it could only have been experiments that were carried out long before I made Rascher's acquaintance. JUDGE SEBRING:Well now then, of the experiments carried out before you made Rascher's acquaintance; do you know which ones were at the time classified as secret or top secret? THE WITNESS:So far as... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,321,650 | 1,322,150 |
was kept secret on the basis in which the person in question was habilitated. So far as I know this secret was kept within the medical department of the University in question and was confined to the three or four specialists who gave their opinion of the value of the habilitation thesis in question. In other words, th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,322,100 | 1,322,600 |
appointment because the purpose of a habilitation was that the person in question could perfectly publicly call himself a "Dr. Habil," and the appointment as "Dr. Habil" was the necessary prerequisite for a later professorship. So here it can only be a question of Sievers having expressed himself clumsily or poorly. JU... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,322,550 | 1,323,050 |
secret in its content and nature, but that also the appointment of Rascher as a lecturer. Could you help the Tribunal in that particular? THE WITNESS:I can't really recall this letter. Permit me to ask is all that you read just now one letter to me from the beginning to the end? JUDGE SEBRING:No. This is not a letter t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,323,000 | 1,323,500 |
us clearly on more what exactly was kept secret in that case or what it was that was supposed to be kept secret? A.The procedure that was necessa.ry to admit somebody as a lecturer to a university was never secret. Also, the fact that somebody had, in effect, been admitted as a lecturer was not kept secret as a. matter... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,323,450 | 1,323,950 |
away from an agency where he couldn't simultaneously become a lecturer at a university. An adjustment for these contrary interests was found in the manner; namely, that the research worker was given the possibility of habilitation but that the subject of his thesis was kept secret. Such secret habilitations naturally w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,323,900 | 1,324,400 |
Faculty, and whatever formalities are required in the case of such habilitation. Q.That is to say you did not read the report by Dr. Rascher about his experiments? A.Yes. Q.Did Dr. Rascher ever inform you verbally about details of his experiments, and in particular about the kind of experimental subjects on which these... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,324,350 | 1,324,850 |
was given by me to Dr. Rascher. When I saw that the assignment which was entitled "Re-Warming of Human Beings" was accredited to me, I spoke to Rascher about this matter and told him that this assignment was not my concern but belonged to the jurisdiction of the Geheimrat Dr. Sauerbruch, and that the entry on my card i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,324,800 | 1,325,300 |
in these horrible experiments. Now, if you look at these documents the first thing is card index page for Blome, document No. 690, then you will see that under the current No. 0328 there is an entry, and I am speaking about your card index page: "Rascher-Munich". The title of this assignment is as follows and I quote: ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,325,250 | 1,325,750 |
to follow the statements of the defendant. JUDGE SEBRING:I am unable to find document 691. MR. HARDY:Your Honor, I would like to call to your attention that Document 691 was never introduced by Prosecution. We merely introduced 690. JUDGE SEBRING:I find Document 690 but I could not find Document 691. DR. SAUTER:The Doc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,325,700 | 1,326,200 |
belongs to it, document 788, as Exhibit Blome 5. JUDGE SEBRING:Is it not true that the statement of Professor Bergmann is now in evidence as Blome Exhibit 3? DR. SAUTER:Bergmann that so far as not been admitted. It was not admitted by you. Consequently this Exhibit #3 has so far not been used. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel is ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,326,150 | 1,326,650 |
manner in Hirth's assignment where it says "attitude of 'Gelbkreuz" (Lost)'." When looking at tho SS numbers I see something else which rather surprises me. If you compare these SS numbers in Document 690 one another, that is, going from the top towards the bottom, you will find a considerable difference. The figures b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,326,600 | 1,327,100 |
that particular problem is within tho sphere of Dr. Sauerbruch's activity. What then does the number preceding it - 548 - indicate? AThat I cannot tell you with certainty. Now for the very first time I looked at such card index pages while in prison. Perhaps they are some registration figures, but I couldn't tell you w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,327,050 | 1,327,550 |
the document 788, if I read it correctly, and I have it the Exhibit Number Blome No. 5. I shall present this document to the Tribunal very soon. This is an index entitled, and I quote the title: "Registration Number in the Registration Office of the Expert Office of the R.F.R." which is the Reich Research Council. That... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,327,500 | 1,328,000 |
at the right hand side, 1881-15. would you think it is correct to say on the basis of your knowledge that this is meant as Order No. 1881 of Branch No. 15, which was under your charge? A.Yes, that is correct. Q.Witness, on the left hand side of the Document 691, that is Sauerbruch's card index page, with reference to o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,327,950 | 1,328,450 |
Underneath that you find the word, "Deputy Dr. Breuer," and his address is given; now, and looking at Document No. 691, which is the card index page of Sauerbruch; you will find a similar notation worked on by Staatsrat Professor Dr. Sauerbruch; underneath that the words, and I quote, "Deputy Dr. Breur," and then the w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,328,400 | 1,328,900 |
of course, I can't know, and I can't judge it. If I consider that question and if I think when I received it, about the fact that I was supposed to have given that order, then I estimate that it was appro ximately in the beginning of 1944. I said before I think that the Plenipotentiary, the departmental heads, from tim... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,328,850 | 1,329,350 |
these two entries for Rascher and Hirth were put on your card index by accident. For this reason I would be interested in knowing was the Reich Research Council an old agency with trained reliable personnel, or was it a new institution which was created only during the War which had a great scarcity of personnel and wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,329,300 | 1,329,800 |
assignment? A.No. I did not receive any reports either from Professor Haagen or from Professor Hirth. In my opinion, such reports could have been sent only to Professor Schreiber. Q.Professor Schreiber who has been mentioned here repeatedly? A.Yes, that is the man. Q.Professor, Blome, your name has been mentioned in co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,329,750 | 1,330,250 |
that Rudolf Brandt makes such a statement? AOne could find various explanations. QYou know nothing definite? ANo. QThen we will ask him himself after wards. Now I go on to another subject in connection with which your name has also been mentioned, 'lost gas.' Did you have any part in tho lost gas experiments, for examp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,330,200 | 1,330,700 |
ago? ANo, not Dr. Gross either. I have already pointed out that this was an error on the part of the Prosecution apparently. QNow I come to typhus vaccines, Dr. Blome. In a session of 18 February a document, 1323, Prosecution a letter of Dr. Handloser to the Reich Health Leader, Dr. Conti. In this letter, Dr. Handloser... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,330,650 | 1,331,150 |
objected to several things in the letter and did not acknowledge it at that time. They were external matters which occasioned me to make that statement. Later, however, in December, when you took over my case, you gave me this photostatic copy, and I had an opportunity to study it carefully and reconstruct conditions w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,331,100 | 1,331,600 |
sometime later I learned of the so-called Fuehrer order according to which the Euthanasia action was stopped and prohibited I considered this matter, respectively the statement of Greiser, settled. Then the year 1942 was filled with purely organizational preparation for the tuberculosis action. For example: All the pop... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,331,550 | 1,332,050 |
agreed that I was to write a letter for him which he would pass on to Himmler for a decision. As for Greiser's letter to Himmler of the 1st of May 1942, which you just mentioned, Dr. Sauter, I learned of it for the first time from the files here, and Himmler's opinion on my letter of November 1942 I learned of here for... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,332,000 | 1,332,500 |
described. At the X-ray Congress in 1938 in Munich in May I made this procedure public and I observed that with the aid of this procedure public and I observed that with the aid of this procedure one could begin a large scale fight against tuberculosis. Only a few people believed my words at the time and some people sm... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,332,450 | 1,332,950 |
in the Warthegau, but also of the Polish population, as is clearly seen from the affidavit of Regierungsdirektor Dr. Guntermann. Dr. Guntermann was the Chief Medical Officer of the Wartheland; that is, he had the main responsibility for the fight against tuberculosis in this Gau. Q.Dr. Blome, before we go into the lett... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,332,900 | 1,333,400 |
heard of Greiser's plan for the first time, this plan to eliminate the tubercular Poles? A.Of course Gauleiter Greiser was thinking of X-raying; that is the pre-requisite for finding incurable cases of tuberculosis. Q.Then, witness, on the 16th of November you wrote a letter, which is in Document Book 9, as Prosecution... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,333,350 | 1,333,850 |
excuse me for saying this but I must say it when such a charge is made against me. I will try to speak as dispassionately as possible. Dr. Sauter had just said that the Prosecution considers my letter a "masterpiece of murderous intention." I now state the following. The Prosecution, in addition to this questionable af... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,333,800 | 1,334,300 |
photography, the so-called screen photograph; you stated that using this new method one could use 200 to 300 photos per minute; were you not wrong, didn't you mean perhaps per hour and not per minute? AYes, per hour. QI just wanted to correct that so that it does not appear erroneously in the record. We shall continue,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,334,250 | 1,334,750 |
Dr. Dorn and Dr. Hein had lectured about tuberculosis settlements, excerpts from these speeches are contained in my document book. I that experiments had been made with such tuberculosis settlements not only in Germany, but also in England. When making my suggestion to Himmler I explained in detail how such a suggestio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,334,700 | 1,335,200 |
to put this letter you are referring in evidence or is he merely quoting from his own letter? THE INTERPRETER:The question did not come through. MR. HARDY:Is it the intention of the defendant to put the letter he is referring to in as evidence, or is he merely quoting from his own letter. THE PRESIDENT:Can counsel for ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,335,150 | 1,335,650 |
only with these people who had only been slightly wounded. I point to their reaction which would result in the case of such a crime with the Italian physicians and scientists as well as with the entire Italian population. I further more point to the church, and I say then and I quote: "Therefore, I think it is necessar... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,335,600 | 1,336,100 |
No. 6, Blome Exhibit No.6. BY DR. SAUTER: Q.Witness, in this letter of the 18th of December 1942, about which we are speaking now, you really dealt with three proposals; one, special treatment of the seriously ill persons; two, most rigorous isolation of the serious ill persons, that is to say, separation from the outs... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,336,050 | 1,336,550 |
letter Himmler to Greiser, dated at the end of November, 1942, the documentary value of my letter can objectively be seen only in tho following: It shows, firstly, during that time of brutal thinking, men like Himmler had no room for any ailment of any human nature; secondly, only through an open and clear statement of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,336,500 | 1,337,000 |
if I had been able to show any success in that action it would have been easier for me later on to have stopped these plans, rather the plans already mentioned, during that tuberculosis meeting of 1937 by pointing to the success which I made in the Warthe Gau. Even today I realize as well we haven't been able to bring ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,336,950 | 1,337,450 |
almost their entirety, for the purpose of these examinations, and American literature on the other hand complained that this wasn't fully the case with the white population. A (continued) This action started in 1936, was continued in 1937, and I then read - I could not hear anything further about it - the final end of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,337,400 | 1,337,900 |
informed to the effect that everything was handled in Warthe-Gau orderly as regards examination and list of Poles in Warthe-Gau. QWho sent you this report that this plan had been withdrawn on the basis of your suggestion? AI heard that from Hohlfelder as well as Perwitschky. QThese were the two gentlemen ---- AWell, Ho... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,337,850 | 1,338,350 |
of Prosecution 9 as Document 441, Exhibit 205. It is the last document of this volume. Here Brandt says and I want to put that to you and I quote: "At the end of 1942, and the beginning of 1943, Greiser carried out the extermination of the Jews in the Warthe-Gau and also the execution against the tubercular Poles was b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,338,300 | 1,338,800 |
heard about here during the trial. Q.Do you remember, Doctor, that in the euthanasia institution, Hadamar about which you have been speaking, not only 30,000 insane, from the year of 1941 to 1944, had been killed, but also as it says "numerous Poles and Russians from the beginning of June, 1944, until March 1945? That ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,338,750 | 1,339,250 |
is correct I don't know because I have no possibility of proof. Furthermore, in my protest at that time I pointed out - and I remember that exactly - the following: In future history nobody will ever understand that a victor, after the end of hostilities, proceeds to paralyze the progress of the conquered nation. In hi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,339,200 | 1,339,700 |
No. 1, page 1 and. 5. This is an affidavit of Dr. Oskar Gundermann, and I give it the Exhibit Number Blome No. 8. Taking into consideration the particular importance of this problem, I ask to be permitted to read this affidavit, especially since I don't know whether the witness that I wanted, Perwitschky, will ever be ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,339,650 | 1,340,150 |
who was decidedly hostile to civil servants, and myself, relations were definitely strained, for reasons which need not be discussed here. As, however, I could not leave Greiser's supposed statements at that, I thought it my duty to talk personally to the head of the Department of Health in the Reich Ministry of the In... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,340,100 | 1,340,600 |
trained, hygienically living, medically attended and nursed patient does not represent any danger worth mentioning for his family. Dr. Blome and I having agreed on the tactics to be taken toward Greiser and on the contents of the said letter, Dr. Blome began in my presence to dictate the draft of a new letter. "After t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,340,550 | 1,341,050 |
and again, dated November 18, 1942? AYes, that is the same letter and I expressly declare that at no time were there any preparations made for any liquidation of Polish tuberculosis patients. QThat Dr. Gundermann confirms, too. With that I leave this chapter pass over to another chapter, outhanasia. MR. HARDY:I suggest... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,341,000 | 1,341,500 |
you please comment on this, whether this chart is correct or not. A.No, the chart is not correct. Dr. Conti was connected with the euthanasia action only in his capacity as State Secretary in the Reich Ministry of the interior. In this capacity I was not his deputy, however. As State Secretary in the Reich Ministry of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,341,450 | 1,341,950 |
1940 and '41. Q.And what was done about these letters? A.I took notice of these letters and according to instructions from Dr. Conti sent them to the Chancellory of the Fuehrer. Q.And why did you send them to the Chancellory of the Fuehrer? Why did you send them to that office? A.Because upon my complaint, when I asked... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,341,900 | 1,342,400 |
but the euthanasia action, and I agreed with him that on the basis of his influential position he was to write to Conti, Bormann and others, and demand information about the euthanasia action, and protest against the methods of this action. It was impossible for me myself at the time to get any details about the proced... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,342,350 | 1,342,850 |
according to the regulations, and Professor Klare says the following about euthanasia, the killing of the insane: "I, (Professor Klare) first heard about euthanasia (killing of insane persons) from laymen (among others from my sister, Mrs. Agnes Klare of Karlsruhe). I thereupon collected evidence of these proceedings w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,342,800 | 1,343,300 |
take effective steps in the question of euthanasia. Dr. Kurt Klare." And then follows the certification. The next Document, Exhibit 10, I shall not read. I ask the Tribunal to take judicial notice of it. I have submitted this extract only in order to show you that this Professor Dr. Klare as early as 1936 spoke in exac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,343,250 | 1,343,750 |
This Dr. Linden wras the representative of the State Secretary Dr. Conti in the Reichs Ministry of the Interior in the Euthanasia action. Brack also showed a law, or a draft of a law, which had not been published and which was to regulate Euthanasia was to be handled after the war; I believe that this was only a draft ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,343,700 | 1,344,200 |
a radio broadcast about the trial before the International Military Tribunal where an affidavit of Dr. Sprauer was read, who as far as I recall I believe that he was the head medical officer of Baden. In this affidavit, Dr. Sprauer described how he approached Dr. Conti to object and how Dr. Conti said that this action ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,344,150 | 1,344,650 |
when he had no idea that in the year 1947 he would be called upon to defend himself before a Court. In this book, "Arzt Im Kampf", which appeared in October. 1941, the defendant, Dr. Blome, writes on pages 221, to 223, as follows: I am reading from document No. 6. "Sterilization is not dishonorable: It is no Disgrace. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,344,600 | 1,345,100 |
by reasons of profound humanity." This is the extract from the book by the defendant, which as I said, was published in the year 1941. I lay special emphasis on this date, because at that time the euthanasia action of Hitler was still in operation and the defendant, Blome, was diametrically opposed to this action of Hi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,345,050 | 1,345,550 |
you did. What assignment did you receive? A.I received an assignment for research, for counter measures against biological warfare. Q.An assignment for counter measures against biological warfare? A.An assignment for defense measures. Q.When was that? A.That was about the beginning of 1942 in a discussion of a meeting ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,345,500 | 1,346,000 |
AOnly defense measures were discussed in the event that the enemy should begin biological warfare. QOnly defensive measures? AYes, only defensive measures. QIn this connection, Professor Blome, I should like to point out to you a document submitted by the Prosecution. This is Document 1308, Exhibit 325. I do not believ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,345,950 | 1,346,450 |
did not himself believe everything that he said. His field of work was physics but he dealt primarily with music and composed a great deal. To make it brief, he was unreliable and not to be taken seriously, and an English Major in an interrogation at Karlsberg expressed the same opinion. QMr. Blome, this file note of P... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,346,400 | 1,346,900 |
say? Is it true that you made the suggestion that experiments should be conducted in the Military Medical Academy in Berlin? A.Yes, I suggested medical students, medical students of the Wehrmacht, so-called medical officer candidates, but Professor Klieve refused experiments in the Military Medical Academy because ther... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,346,850 | 1,347,350 |
especially of the plague vaccine. Experiments on human beings would have to be conducted. There are quite wrong opinions prevalent about the effect and maximum doses of many poisons which can also be removed only through experiments on human beings. As soon as Professor Blome reports to the Reich Marshal Goering and Ge... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,347,300 | 1,347,800 |
done. It was not in my sphere of duties. It was merely a suggestion on my part. I made the suggestion because Klieve, when he visited me, spoke about the news of sabotage with poison and bacteria in the East. Since poisoning is frequently treated with socalled anti-toxins and the official maximum doses are very low, I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,347,750 | 1,348,250 |
could be used in Germany should it become necessary. For decades this field had been worked on only foreign countries. The few institutes in Germany that were justified at all in working on this matter had only made use of this possibility or opportunity to the extent that they kept special laboratories ready to carry ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,348,200 | 1,348,700 |
was he a member or not? AI never saw him there, but one of his co-workers; I don't believe that he belonged to it. QAnd who in addition belonged to the Blitzableiter committee? AColonel Hirsch as chairman, Ministerialrat Dr. Standin, and two gentlemen from the Amy Veterinary Inspection, one by the name of Dr. Nage? a l... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,348,650 | 1,349,150 |
15. I cannot read the excerpt today because, as I said, the translation has not come back to me. AMay I continue? QI don't understand. AMay I continue? QYes. AFor this reason I wanted to have the maximum doses determined, and in this connection I should like to say that the reports I received about the enemy activities... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,349,100 | 1,349,600 |
extent of our defensive measures, and secondly, the population was not to be worried. Those are the clear reasons. QDo you know anything about why precisely you, Dr. Blome, were given this assignment regarding preparations to defend against biological warfare, and why this assignment was brought into any connection wit... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,349,550 | 1,350,050 |
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