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over the Buchenwald Institute was Grawits, Mrugowsky and Ding--is that correct? ADid you say "series f*ord*rd" QI said "the chain of command." AI see. It went or on Ding, a s Chief of the Experimental Station, to the Reichsarzt-SS. QThen you state that in view f Kogan's testimony, Haven's testimony, and the affidavit o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,125,000 | 1,125,500 |
dressing station, then to the main dressing station to the roar; from there they went to the hospitals and there they were treated on the basis of the principles of surgery. QThen the actual preparation for wounds, any drugs ti be used in that course, were of interest to you, weren't they? what I an getting at, Doctor,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,125,450 | 1,125,950 |
said I as other physicians, attended, official conferences during the exhibition of the film. I went there and saw the film, A short time thereafter I met Professor De Grenius, Director of the Psychiatric Clinic in Berlin. I met him at the port where I was active, and we had a discussion about that film, and exchanged ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,125,900 | 1,126,400 |
is Prosecution Exhibit 173; the subject of which is "Discussion of Sterilization of Women at Auswitz Concentration Camp." It is most interesting to note, Doctor, that your immediate subordinate, Chief of Ampt 15 directly under your control, states in a letter which I shall quote, "In addition I should like to make a fu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,126,350 | 1,126,850 |
Q.New, I want to call your attention to Document No. 194, Prosecution Exhibit 263, where Dr. Wimmer was A be transferred to the Waffen SS, in order to aid Dr. Hirt in his Lest experiments, which is another man coring under your jurisdiction as chief of the Waffen SS in connection. with Last experiments. What do you kne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,126,800 | 1,127,300 |
the office of the Reichsarzt-SS, of SS-Wirtscharftsverwaltungshnuptamt (SS Main Office for Economics and administration) and with ******be. The necessary chemical products, medical supplies and glass ware will be made available by SS-Sanitaetsamt (SS Medical Office) Berlin." It was your office that was engaged in the w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,127,250 | 1,127,750 |
the Waffen SS on.20 November 1942 in which your assistant took part. AI did not receive any report about that and it was not reported to me that Mrugowsky visited the Hygiene Institute or that he made any visits there; I know nothing about these Rascher experiments. QWhat was your rank in the SS, Doctor? A SSGruppenfue... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,127,700 | 1,128,200 |
which was the highest office in my group of offices. This so-called chief of the medical service at the beginning of the war hold the rank of an Oberfuehrer; his name was Oberfuehrer Fehrensen. He lost his life in Bucharest, then it was Brigade Fuehrer Berndt, who died after he was in prison for a short time. There was... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,128,150 | 1,128,650 |
is to say, I could issue orders in a military and in a technical sphere. Q.In the affidavit made by the witness Barnewald which I offered in evidence early this me morning it is stated, that in the correspondence before the title "Department for Typhus and Virus Research" there were the letters "RFSS", which is to say ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,128,600 | 1,129,100 |
Q.I have no further questions, Mr. President. RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. FLEMMING: Q.I would like to be permitted to pit a few questions to the witness following the cross examination. Witness, -- THE PRESIDENT:Counsel, just announce your name. QDr. Flemming, counsel for the defendant Mrugowsky. Witness, during cross... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,129,050 | 1,129,550 |
Q.Would you mean by that that he asked him whether he thought Ding was the right man for the position? A.Yes, that's possible. Q.Thank you. I have no further questions. DR. GAWLIK:Dr. Gawlik, counsel for the defendant Hoven. Mr. President, I have a few more questions to put to the witness. BY DR. GAWLIK: Q.Witness, whe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,129,500 | 1,130,000 |
it as an utterance of Hoven's. No, not Hoven, I mean Kogon, Dr. Kogon. I myself did not say that. DR. FLEMMING:That is all, thank you. THE PRESIDENT:Any further examination of this witness? MR. HARDY:I have no further questions, Your Honor. DR. MERKEL:I have no further questions, Mr. President. Thank you. (witness excu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,129,950 | 1,130,450 |
in the officers personnel department, and since September 1943 as chief of the department for organization. During this time I was in contact with Dr. GENZKEN and can therefore make the following statements: "1. In spring 1943 a commission of Italian physicians paid a visit to Germany to inspect the medical institution... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,130,400 | 1,130,900 |
the innumerable conversations which I had with him since September 1943. I have never personally seen any scientific reports which Ding allegedly sent to the Hygiene Institute. I know nothing else on this subject and consider at completely out of the question that any correspondence took place between Ding in his capac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,130,850 | 1,131,350 |
been closely connected with him since 1943. I often not him both officially and inofficially. His words and actions always showed a high medical ethos. I am absolutely convinced that he never engaged in any kind of illegal actions or crimes against humanity, and that he never allowed any such actions without objection.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,131,300 | 1,131,800 |
this will become Genzken Exhibit No.11. This is an affidavit of Herbert Grossman, and reads: I quote: "I was technical medical leader and personal technical advisor for the medical personnel on the staff of the medical chief of the Waffen SS, Dr. Karl Genzken, from 1942 until the end of the war. From my knowledge in th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,131,750 | 1,132,250 |
the Waffen SS I can make the following statements: "During my activity as Division Doctor - it may have been towards the end of 1943 or in the first half of 1943, I learned that the lack of typhus vaccines would soon be ****come by the SS producing vaccines of their own in Buchenwald. Details about the production of th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,132,200 | 1,132,700 |
of the SS operational main office, Juettner. Whether it over came to that, I do not know. "There was a general antipathy means the SS leaders of the medical office pf the Waffen SS against the Reichsarzt because of his entire personality. There were also frequent differences because the Reichsarzt SS repeatedly tried t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,132,650 | 1,133,150 |
"Problems of scientific research and planning in the medical sphere within the jurisdiction of the Waffen SS were dealt with exclusively by the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz, and not by the SS Operational Main Office or the medical Office of the Waffen SS, which was under the supervision of Dr. Genzken. In the same way eve... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,133,100 | 1,133,600 |
Genzken and Dr. Grawitz. As far as I remember the limits of their fields of action were clearly divided once again, presumably as a result of this conversation. Finally, I remember an incident concerning a unit of the Waffen SS stationed in Poland, which ** ***** to be infected with venereal disease. The incident worri... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,133,550 | 1,134,050 |
the beginning of 1943 was that Dr. Ding contracted typhus in 1944 and, after his recovery, was ordered to Paris until the end of November 1942. In 1942 Grawitz induced Himmler to order the establishment of an experimental station for typhus research in the Concentration Camp Buchenwald and made Dr. Ding the head of thi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,134,000 | 1,134,500 |
SS I never heard anything about medical experiments on concentration camp inmates, nor did I see any documents on this subject. Scientific research and planning, as far as I know, were never the job of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, but the exclusive job of the Reich Physician SS, Dr. Grawitz. I never heard anyth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,134,450 | 1,134,950 |
had Exhibit No. 16 for Genzken Document No. 14. What number did you give Genzken No. 14? DR. MERKEL:Genzken No. 14 was already submitted. It had Exhibit No. 4. I submitted that when examining the witness. That was Genzken No. 4. JUDGE SEBRING:Would not Genzken No. 15 be Genzken Exhibit No.15as well. If not, what is Gen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,134,900 | 1,135,400 |
differences world evenon the arise with the Reich Physician SS, Dr. Grawitz, when Grawitz noticed that Genzken and I had confidence in each other. Grawitz was a morbidly ambitious and vain man who perpetually imagined that his position as Reich physician SS was imperiled if another higher medical officer had an establi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,135,350 | 1,135,850 |
not permit any Heinrich Himmler to take away prisoner.' "I know absolutely nothing about medical experiments carried out on concentration camp inmates, and Dr. Genzken never discussed such nents with me. "I know nothing about an order from Himmler to Dr. Genzken through me, to set up an institute for typhus research in... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,135,800 | 1,136,300 |
No. 3, No. 4, No. 5; No. 6, No. 10, No. 11 and No. 13. Furthermore, I shall refer to the following evidence of the prosecution which was submitted outside of the document books, that is, Exhibit No. 211, No. 219, No. 209, and 214. The document book which I submitted contains documents which refer to the defendant Dr. G... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,136,250 | 1,136,750 |
case of the defendant Oberhe**er. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal understands, Doctor, that *****ur opinion the rights of the defendant Qberherser will not be prejudiced before the Tribunal by following that plan. Is that correct? DR. SEIDL:Yes, that is correct. THE PRESIDENT:As Counsel for defendant Oberheuser you are cont... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,136,700 | 1,137,200 |
also decent; that for the way in which he respected and acknowledged the work of other authors suggests an honest disposition. "I would not have believed anything wrong of Professor Gebhardt. Although, of course, restorave-orthopedy and subsequent treatment need strong will-power on the part of the physician, to overco... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,137,150 | 1,137,650 |
affidavit, I am submitting a statement made by Professor Dr. Buerkle De La Camp, who comes from Bochum, which can be found on page 55 of my document book. This affidavit will become Genhardt Exhibit No. 2. Professor of these proceedings, is the leading physician of the Surgical Department of the Hospital Bergmannsheil ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,137,600 | 1,138,100 |
unique organization, which obliterates social inequalities and the very life and soul of which was Gebhardt. Later, Gebhardt made use of the knowledge and experience he had gained at this training camp, at the mental institution Hohenlychen. "2. I am able to confirm that at the conference of consulting physicians at Ho... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,138,050 | 1,138,550 |
am submitting an affidavit by Generalarzt Dr. Rudolf von Heuss, retired from Heeresdienst, page 59, of the document book. This will become Gebhardt Exhibit No.3. Generalarzt von Heuss is 72 years of age. He was medical officer in the old Bavarian Army, and has known Gebhardt ever since the year 1920. He knew him. at th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,138,500 | 1,139,000 |
of care or liable to relapse. That is, the care of youth from the athletic, scientific and social aspect. These long-term objectives, however, assumed a most serious actual importance on account of the consequence of Germany's defeat in World War I. For those tines demanded the creation of a youth capable of the highes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,138,950 | 1,139,450 |
efficiency, 3. General increase of selfconfidence, 4. intensified conception of comradeship and increase of cheerfulness. As supervisor (Obmann) of 7 training camps I was charged with the liaison between the highest authorities, especially between the Ministry for Church and Education natters, the highest railroad auth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,139,400 | 1,139,900 |
in the social-medical sphere and also in the welfare of the entire nation. The occupants of the training camp had so far been drawn exclusively from working youth circles. It was obvious, after the experiences gained, that they should also be extended to adult circles. Naturally, the question of prophylaxis had to be s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,139,850 | 1,140,350 |
under what circumstances I made the acquaintance of Dr. GEBHARDT, what form this collaboration took; the results of this work; what impressions I gained of Dr. GEBHARDT during this collaboration. The political note may be missing in this picture. The explanation for it is simple: the years of cur collaboration were ent... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,140,300 | 1,140,800 |
defendant Oberhauser evidence may be presented to the Tribunal after her release from the hospital, which may be expected within two or three weeks. And, defendant Oberhauser, herself, having filed in the Office of the Secretary General, March 3, a signed statement in the German language and in the English language, re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,140,750 | 1,141,250 |
addition to this affidavit, I now ask you to please give us a short description of your life history, and please tell the Tribunal what caused you to take up the study of medicine? A.In order to give an exact answer to the first question, may I use the word "addition", and to take that word from the question of my defe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,141,200 | 1,141,700 |
answer with regard to my medical status. First of all my life was not such that at the age of eighteen I knew exactly what decency was and that I had gone this way with the utmost feeling and conviction. Later on as a teacher I have always doubted that. The Junk people in that early period know so clearly what the worr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,141,650 | 1,142,150 |
will not be necessary to explain that in detail. However, I think it is more essential for me to emphasize that there was a dissatisfaction with the developments of the time and people were assured that the situation would never change in Germany unless the social need of the time was combatted. Without any political c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,142,100 | 1,142,600 |
the necessity of living to earn money, because of war, events and other incidents. I think that I can say one thing in favor of that group, he were the most outspoken pacifists in Germany because we wanted to connect ourselves with ordinary civil life, but I think we were also the ones who were most ready to make sacri... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,142,550 | 1,143,050 |
juvenile feeble minded it is hard to decide what cannot be changed and is born heritage or, on the other hand, what may be the inferences of a bad education which caused him to follow the example of other feeble minded with which he came into contact. During the so-called controlled experiments at the Munich-Augsburg I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,143,000 | 1,143,500 |
a university professor and in the year 1932 I endeavored to go to a little hospital which was in the scope of activity of my father, when in the year 1932 Dr. Lexer offered me a university career. During the transition period of 1932 and 1933 I already was a member of customary associations. I don't think it is necessa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,143,450 | 1,143,950 |
many individual limitations but which, on the other hand, over-emphasized the importance of the Reich sport associations - the sport associations of the people who were well off or of the so-called "semi-amateur" who was paid b industry. On the. other hand, the Reich sport leaders Von Tschammer and Osten attempted to f... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,143,900 | 1,144,400 |
conditions. More important than any other results during treatment seems to me to be one thing and that is something that couldn't just be left out even after my death, and that is to say that I created the German sport aid. I originated that suggestion between the bureaucratic social insurance of Germany and the priva... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,144,350 | 1,144,850 |
PRESIDENT:Counsel may proceed. KARL GEBHARDT - Resumed DIRECT EXAMINATION (Continued) BY DR. SEIDL: Q.Witness, I was told that some cf what you have said did not come through. I therefore ask you to make shorter sentences and in order to clarify some of the misunderstandings I ask you once more: When you were appointed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,144,800 | 1,145,300 |
newly founded and extended. I have already mentioned the 3 decisive men; they were Tschammer, Todt, and Kruemmel. In addition, Generaleberstabsarzt Waldmann became a member of the so-called Curatorium. He knew my family and I knew him from Munich; he saw to it that any sport-injured members of the Wehrmacht who express... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,145,250 | 1,145,750 |
patient towards that sick leg, in other words, to see whether with the right shoulder and the right limbs, the left leg could be moved. This extension of the muscles comparable to something that follows the principle of the branch of a tree which extends towards each side. This principle was only possible if the patien... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,145,700 | 1,146,200 |
into the foreground but the very peculiar psyche logical distortion which is so often the case in the crippled patient. We had gardens, bathing facilities, schools. We would accept remnants of the activities, and for that purpose I trained a staff of physicians and sport teachers ever since 1943, and in the year 1943 I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,146,150 | 1,146,650 |
the supreme principle, of the physician from which he can derive the moral activity." Certainly not Apollo is being spoken to in that connection. There are a number of physicians where the metaphysical super-imposed concept of the supreme order is outside any natural events. That has much to do with the physicians of t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,146,600 | 1,147,100 |
secrecy in the case of the physicians. That led to a situation that the poor man, who was a member of the insurance company, could no longer choose the physician and that between the physician and the patient there was a bureaucratic state order, some bureaucratic welfare institutions and that a number of secretaries a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,147,050 | 1,147,550 |
and after 1933 for this is too bureaucratic and it forces the physician to become an official. During the war, development of these totalitarian state principles were increasingly intensified. Perhaps I should place Hippocrates where he really belonged. In history Hippocrates comes from the old excleate school, he is a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,147,500 | 1,148,000 |
I tried to teach Himmler this correction of his conception of Hippocrates, but he as a layman just read from it as a layman what he considered to be useful. I think that the physician who has an inner feeling of decency is the man who most probably will always believe in God. This man would be the most decent doctor wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,147,950 | 1,148,450 |
that we were able to alleviate that situation essentially. QI think that you describe the outlines and the spirit which moved you and according to which you intended to lead Hohenlychen, and I now go ever to your activity within the National Socialist Party. When did you enter the NSDAP and what was your position towar... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,148,400 | 1,148,900 |
was exercised by the Third Reich. I was the physician of Thomas Mann and Tuchelsky and I know all these people. They impressed me deeply as spiritual individuals, but they had no support at the German people in thier need and in their concerns. They had no instrument of power in order to restore order. I don't want to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,148,850 | 1,149,350 |
survive, even in spite of all the failings of the officers, individuals and all eventually will be steered properly when people who are in the Government who are in the country will advance their criticism, and will then steer the country to the proper goal. May I take the historical example of the French revolution; t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,149,300 | 1,149,800 |
as in the case of every simple man from good to bad. Himmler originates from the same city a s I do, that is, from Landshu? and these very notorious relationships of confidence which are being repeated, only existed in so far as my father was Himmler's house physician, and Himmler an the other hand, Himmler's father wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,149,750 | 1,150,250 |
here that I did net do that because of any certain political insight, but because of the concept which was valid in all schools; namely, that the older never subordinated himself to the younger. Up to the moment the war started, up to that moment, I had my independence toward Himmler. After that moment, however, I beca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,150,200 | 1,150,700 |
was a foundation of an order which can clearly be conceived. It was grand if it was an order which is tied to absolute morality. It was danger if it is severely imitated. The oath says: to be absolutely obedient, come what may, that one looks into tho future and gives absolute obedience in order to finally help Germany... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,150,650 | 1,151,150 |
entire life, but I can well differentiate. I could limit Himmler where it was within my sphere of power. On the other hand I couldn't gain any influence where I don't know what was going on and where I had no knowledge of the details. I then was included in a German committee for the Olympic games and an international ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,151,100 | 1,151,600 |
everything was going well. A. (continued) During this journey Himmler told no about a very personal conflict in his life, and because of the tradition of my father asked one to help him in that task. I wouldn't want to give any hints about that event if I hadn't read so many untruths and bad things in newspaper reports... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,151,550 | 1,152,050 |
who told me. Nobody at that tine in 1939 know what the future will bring, how difficult the future will be. And, I therefore made this very clear agreement with Himmler as we thought it was. One thing absolutely, the duty of secrecy as it is proscribed by the order. I only concern myself with medical affairs and not wi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,152,000 | 1,152,500 |
use, etc. The concept remained for a long time and it always appeared with Himmler that we, as medical men, considered our profession purely from the point of view of money, and for the duration he never kept a really fully trained physician at his side. The Finnish massage physician was with him most of the time; that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,152,450 | 1,152,950 |
and it was probable that he would survive his chief. By careful camouflage he always managed to show every relationship in suck a way that he always recieved directly the order from Hitler, or in any case from that direction. How he had a strange scientific opinion based on political reasons in a State Ideal from Hegel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,152,900 | 1,153,400 |
the sense of positive criticism, however, on the other land I have complied. with the orders which were given, and I have demanded the same thing from all my subordinates, and that is why today I have to stand by this concept. However, it is something quite different a former SS-man somewhere should believe that the st... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,153,350 | 1,153,850 |
sentences now from the document that you wish to read. DR. SEIDEL:I quote, "The Riechs Fuehrer SS. Berlin, the 17th of May, 1940. I have ordered SS Oberfuehrer, University Professor, Dr. Karl Gebhardt, consulting surgeon to the Waffen SS, to clinically supervise the medical company , the main dressing station, the fiel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,153,800 | 1,154,300 |
the Navy. I made it my task to take care of the most surmountable difficulties providing medical supplies to the front, and untangle this matter in the Waffen SS. Therefore, you see in this order, I, unlike the consulting medical officers in the Army, did not travel around individually, but was traveling with a so-call... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,154,250 | 1,154,750 |
the whole replacement of personnel and material was to be routed via the army. Himmler always opposed this idea, because he had the idea that his Waffen SS should be independent in the future , and I shall go into this later. Or the other hand, when I came back from Donez from a plane crash with other wounded, it could... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,154,700 | 1,155,200 |
the Waffen SS, the Police and all the formations within, was to be placed at his disposal, and I was to be in charge of this clinical Set-up. The prerequisite was that tho police had to be brought over to this point of view first, and that Dr. Hock, one of our most experienced combat physician should take over tho offi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,155,150 | 1,155,650 |
I perhaps say a few words with regard to the plan. It is wrong to subordinate Grawitz to Karl Brandt, because Grawitz always expressively stated that he as Reichs Physician, with his special assignments, was directly responsible to Himmler-Hitler and only by way of personal cooperation did he maintain any contacts. It ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,155,600 | 1,156,100 |
officer, had owned by this institute, was absolutely coordinated, of course, and locked after his own influence in his field. I personally did not have any contact with the bacteriologists at sanitarians. AYou therefore, in particular, did not have any discussions with him, the subject cf which was medical experiments?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,156,050 | 1,156,550 |
a very good personal relationship to Genzken, and I did everything in order to keep Genzken in his position because he was taking good care of the Waffen SS. On the other hand I took everything away from him at the front which he was unable to supervise, and I tried at first to give orders from outside the army, and th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,156,500 | 1,157,000 |
is now in session. God save the United States of America end this honrable Tribunal. There will be order in the courtroom. THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain that the defendants are all present in court. THE MARSHAL:May it please Your Honor, all the defendants are present in court with the exception of the d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,156,950 | 1,157,450 |
soldiers had to be brought through very dangerous territory, he was able, by virtue cf his well-known personality to arrange for their speedy billeting and treatment in field hospitals. Because of the impression received from this front visit, he quickly sent me a group of surgeons with Stumpfegger as chief, which work... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,157,400 | 1,157,900 |
to 1942, Dr. Wittmann was excerting physician, and from 1942 to the autumn of 1944 up to tho armistice it was Dr. Mueller. "During my assignment as adjutant to Himmler, Prof. Gebhardt held the position of consulting surgeon of tho WaffenSS where he also performed operations. Furthermore, Prof. Gebhardt was also chief p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,157,850 | 1,158,350 |
to the last exhibit which you offered. That would be Gebhardt Ex hibit No. 5, the affidavit of Werner Grothmann. You did not mention that number DR. SEIDL:Mr. President, the last exhibit was number 5. I beg your pardon. And this extract from this meeting which had taken place in May, this meeting which was the meeting ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,158,300 | 1,158,800 |
SEIDL:The document numbers are contained in the index on the first page. Altogether I am going to submit three extracts. That is, one about the conference of May 1942, pages 1-19 of the Document Book. Secondly, an extract with reference to the second meeting in November 1942, that is page 14-21. And, thirdly, an extrac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,158,750 | 1,159,250 |
SEIDL:The purpose of these documents is not that of showing whether other participants in the conference, particularly with reference to the responsibility of these experiments, could form a picture about that. But the purpose, as the Tribunal has just stated, is to present the entire context statement between the indi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,159,200 | 1,159,700 |
erysipelas cannot be denied. We are not concerned with these diseases here. We only want to deal with wound diseases (tetanus, gas edema) and with wound infections. "We know that sulfonamides are ineffective against tetanus. Their effectiveness with regard to gas edema is under discussion, and has so far, not been clar... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,159,650 | 1,160,150 |
"If we try to determine the aim and method of clinical experiments, the following deductions can be made: "The most important thing appears to be the examination of the method of operation of local application to the wounds of sulfonamides, but the operative treatment of the wound must not be forgotten in any way. It r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,160,100 | 1,160,600 |
experiments do by Fischer and Gebhardt, and now I quote Professor Krueger; "Very favorable opinion of sulfonamide prophylaxis though only on the basis of clinical observations, (brain shots without meningitis, pulmonary gun shot wounds without ompyoma, etc.) (5000 cases)." Following that, Professor Sauerbruch spoke. Wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,160,550 | 1,161,050 |
the problem of chemotherapy based on our chemotherapeutical animal experiments. From what we have seen, for instance from the experiments which took place under my direction, none of the preparations used had any recognizable effect. Neither prontosil nor prontalbin showed anything similar. None of the animals remained... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,161,000 | 1,161,500 |
the condition of course, that you do not expect too much of it." As far as the rest of the report of this conference is concerned I shall ask the Tribunal to take judicial notice and I shall pass on to page 13 of the document, an extract on the Second Conference East (Arbeitstagung-Ost) of the Consulting Physicians, ta... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,161,450 | 1,161,950 |
" PROF. SCHIMDT rejects the intraperitoneal treatment with sulfonamides. 7 different surgeons cured 50% of the cases without this method, although under conditions which equalled those of peacetime." Then I pass on to page 19 of the document book and from there I quote statements made by Professors Krueger and Krauss. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,161,900 | 1,162,400 |
one step further. They say, -- and don't forget that they are laymen, and I shall go into the scientific part of what they said in more detail -they said that any value of this work for the wider part of humanity did not exist. The Prosecution denied it. You all know that the discussions going on abroad at this moment ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,162,350 | 1,162,850 |
layman, notoon my behalf, but on behalf of the public, and put him in his place. In other words, the fact implicates me legally, and I am well represented by myself since I am assuming responsibility for that. The incredible impression which we have received has been achieved by a minor optical trick. Without knowledge... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,162,800 | 1,163,300 |
officer and doctor is in a position to express his pity to a prisoner by means of words. I was medical officer of the American camp at Hersbruck. I should add that there I had an opportunity to deal with open tuberculosis, cancer, and other diseased persons greatly in need of medical treatment. The American medical off... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,163,250 | 1,163,750 |
when you were advisory physician to the Waffen SS in the winter of 1941 and 1942 and you went to the Eastern Front, and what were the experiences you gained there? A.I shall deal with the basic plan of the Russian war very briefly, I shall summarize it generally. I should like to point out to the Tribunal that my actio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,163,700 | 1,164,200 |
you run in winter conditions such as this cannot be solved with modern vehicles, air-craft or means like that. If can only be solved by employing masses of civilians and by using thousands of men to transport every barrel of gas, every medical supply, every instrument to the front. This complete sacrifice on the part o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,164,150 | 1,164,650 |
of volunteers. Mostly people who were personally known to Himmler and Hitler. This report had an effect so terrifyingly personal, the old guards known to Adolf Hitler since the seizure of power. Twelve to fourteen thousand men were sent in and there returned shortly afterward about one thousand men strong. The feeling ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,164,600 | 1,165,100 |
after all my task to act as an expert and carry out personal orders. This must have been approximately at the time of Charkow - Poltawa. Q.You mean in April of 1942? A.Yes in April of 1942 when I was with the sixth army and I was at the front to such an extent that when the conference took place on May 18 20 I was not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,165,050 | 1,165,550 |
we say, a large amount of the army proper, and that he believed that considering all the military political difficulties, this instrument would enable him to remain in power. Yesterday, I took the liberty of describing briefly how for a few weeks or months Himmler had been a soldier, that he never had acquainted himsel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,165,500 | 1,166,000 |
Allied troops gave their soldiers sulfonamide bags. This was unknown in the Germany army. Second, that there was a definite propaganda on the radio and the press and hand bills which were dropped, that these miracle drugs which could have protected our wounded men from infection from the beginning, these were discussed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,165,950 | 1,166,450 |
advising surgeon, the consulting surgeon of the General-SS and Himmler knew him. He was, of course, not called in. We had no knowledge of these discussions but Grawitz quoted him as very important in contrast to my point of view. Then we had another unfortunate factor which made the situation more difficult, the possib... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,166,400 | 1,166,900 |
where I wanted him and speak against him now when he is dead. We were able to bear him as a superior and there is a limit when a man is dead. But, I can say that Grawitz, had the unique opportunity as savior of the Waffen-SS at the front in contrast to our soldiers, after becoming acquainted with foreign literature and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,166,850 | 1,167,350 |
the whole discussion as a surgeon with experience at the front and, of course, I expressed my opinion. The question of animal experiments was senseless. I might point out that sulfonamides had been tested for abouts even years in Germany, and that only in 1944, in the last studies, was there any clarification by animal... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,167,300 | 1,167,800 |
to appearance, according to the damage done. It is a false conclusion to say that one can have comparable conditions at the front, but even if it is possible to find wounds which are more or loss comparable, one man has been marching for ten hours before hand and is exhausted before he is wounded, and the other is hit ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,167,750 | 1,168,250 |
to good hospital care. In Russia in the winter it was different. Every suggestion, every statement, according to the school, was destroyed by the emergency of the Russian winter. Of course, the way of settling a question will always be by inquiry. The Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical & Service always recommended that. Bu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,168,200 | 1,168,700 |
surgical events occurred. Q.Now, witness, who was Heydrich? A.Heydrich was the Chief of the RSHA - the Reich Security Main office, at the time, and, in my opinion, he was much closer to Hitler than Himmler. He was the decisive active man of the whole counter-Intelligence, espienage, enemy propaganda, and security withi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,168,650 | 1,169,150 |
took my part. He said that nothing had been overlooked and we could not comment on ultraseptyl because we had no experience with it. Grawitz had already received the order and I could only contact Grawitz on the influence which I had voluntarily chosen, that the experiment should not be conducted by an internist or by ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,169,100 | 1,169,600 |
a condition that if any experiment was conducted which was not based on medical initiative, the course of which was decisive, that then the agency issuing the order must clearly determine the group of persons, and the method of selection; that I thought at the time, sufficient, in view of the legal might behind Himmler... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,169,550 | 1,170,050 |
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