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Dr. Ruff is listed here at the end of the distribution, although no referent from his institute participated in the meetings and his institute did not have anything whatsoever to do with these experiments? AI cannot quite understand the claim by the Prosecution if I read through the list of the distribution here correc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,035,000 | 1,035,500 |
the more interested to hear f** you if such high altitude experiments with the low pressure chamber were absolutely necessary for our Luftwaffe in the year 1942 or were these experiments superfluous? AThese experiments were very important, and I am speaking of this from my experience as Fleet Medical Officer, where the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,035,450 | 1,035,950 |
my agency they always referred to the fact that medical experiments which required special aviation experience could only be carried out with Ruff and by Ruff. He did not hesitate to carry out these experiments at all times. Furthermore, Ruff at that time was a relatively young physician. However, he had an outstanding... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,035,900 | 1,036,400 |
mainly basical research work, research work which animated from work in physiology. Q.As I assume, you probably know the scientific work of the Munich Institute and I should like to put a question to you and I am sure you can answer on behalf of your activity at that time. How was his work evaluated scientifically? Was... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,036,350 | 1,036,850 |
say any more definitely. Q.I am sure you probably didn't know the exact connection. Now, can I say with right, that is, a certain of the research work when he tried to clarify this problem was with animals? Do you know he only carried out experiments with animals? A.Yes he did that. He performed these experiments on li... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,036,800 | 1,037,300 |
provided that the execution of the experiments was to be controlled in Dachau by Eppinger and others? A.As far as I remember, even Eppinger himself initiated the idea in order to inform himself about the development of the experiments. Q.Was the name Dr. Beiglboeck already mentioned in Himmler's letter; that is, before... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,037,250 | 1,037,750 |
competent chief; that is to say, I made these suggestions and they were then sent to the personnel office of the Air Force, where all the suggestions came in from various fields and from there, in turn, they were prepared for presentation to the Commander in Chief or the chief of the government. Q.Your recommendation t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,037,700 | 1,038,200 |
is how I know something about it. Q.What gave rise to the discussions; was there some controversy existing in German medical circles at that time concerning the question of whether or not there might be something ethically wrong with experimenting upon human beings? A.This discussion didn't take place from that point o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,038,150 | 1,038,650 |
held a rank at that time -- since I had an officer working with me at that time whom I had to warn because of his bad behavior that he may be sent to the police and then be sent to a concentration camp. Q.Can you state by what process or writ such a man in the Luftwaffe would be placed in the concentration camp; would ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,038,600 | 1,039,100 |
the Luftwaafe were incarcerated in the Dachau prison camp? A.That I don't know. Q.Do you know whether there were any? A.Yes. Q.How do you know that? A.I heard that on the basis of such transfers as they were demanded. A.You heard it from whom? A.During my activity as Fleet Physician, this came to my knowledge whenever ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,039,050 | 1,039,550 |
German prisoners. Q.Did you have any idea at the time of the size of the Dachau Concentration Camp or of the facilities there for housing the prisoners? A.No, I saw Dachau for the first time when I was sent there myself as a prisoner. Q.Can you tell the Tribunal after these salt-water experiments were approved who actu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,039,500 | 1,040,000 |
before a decision which demands of me to request you to make it possible for me to carry on an experiment at a camp." End quote. Something like that. And then a discussion followed what was intended by us, where the purpose of the experiment laid and, furthermore, that we ourselves in a small frame had performed these ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,039,950 | 1,040,450 |
prisoners were selected for labor and sent to the concentration camps in order to work there in armament work for the war effort and they mention one thing. Mr. President; in the Wehrmacht there were two forms of punishment. One was the so-called disciplinary punishment which was not in the hands of the judges but in t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,040,400 | 1,040,900 |
following the procedure that you followed, was that accordance with military procedure for getting such matters approved? AAmilitary procedure did not exist for that purpose. I had to see how I could safeguard the execution of the experiments in the most expedient manner and under the consideration of all prerequisites... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,040,850 | 1,041,350 |
it not? A.Yes. Q.Then the problem of where to conduct that special research would considered by someone and approved by someone wouldn't it? A.Yes. Q.Then would there not arise the question of financing or making the fund available for the research and in that particular some other governmental agency would have to kno... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,041,300 | 1,041,800 |
he could pass on this information to Himmler in case it became necessary. Then this letter was sent off and after possibly four weeks when Beiglboeck had arrived at Dachau --in the meantime he was given an opportunity to carry out this work. Whatever lay in between that, how in the administrative way this was organized... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,041,750 | 1,042,250 |
further questions. THE PRESIDENT: With no further examination by defense counsel the prosecution may proceed. DR. MARX: May it please the Tribunal, I request the permiss of the Tribunal to now call as my first witness, the witness Jentsch because this witness has to leave this afternoon on a trip to England. The prosec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,042,200 | 1,042,700 |
for the Luftwaffe for the civic commander. When Himmler was able to develop his power in the OKH I lost my office in 1943. I was conscripted as a simple soldier and I was medical soldier with the parachute troops. After the collapse I was used by the Americans and the English in Italy as senior chaplain for entire Ital... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,042,650 | 1,043,150 |
because official spiritual welfare for soldiers of the Luftwaffe had not been planned for in Berlin. Thus, as an officer he gave an example and he maintained an attitude which was contrary to the official attitude of higher officers in the Luftwaffe Q.What were your further contacts with Professor Schroeder? A.On the b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,043,100 | 1,043,600 |
order to again start discussing the question of spiritual welfare in the Luftwaffe. The predecessor of Professor Schroeder, Professor Hippke, and General von Hase, who was later on hung by order of Hitler, and the civilian adjutant of Goering, Ministerial Director Boettge, and I, tried to formula A memorandum in which ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,043,550 | 1,044,050 |
that several soldiers now were able to spiritual welfare as ministers. Of course, they were not military chaplain but they were plain soldiers who had been ministers in civilian life. That is sufficient for the time being, and while for the time being Prof. Schroeder was in Italy. QFrom April, 1943, you had been conscr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,044,000 | 1,044,500 |
any military service. The Protestant objectors for religious reasons, and above all, the group of Jehovah's Witnesses, did not have any advantages whatsoever. On the contrary, they were sentenced to death by Hitler without any consideration whatsoever, although the legal situation was the same as that of my Catholic fr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,044,450 | 1,044,950 |
students whom I had confirmed. He also request me in the letter to keep the matter secret. Then I got into a very great difficulty, because I was a private first class in the Luftwaffe. First of all, I should have seen my company commander, and then I should have r*o** ed the whole matter. At the time, after a severe s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,044,900 | 1,045,400 |
a friend of General Schroder. His name was Oberstabarzt Fischer. He gave me permission although he knew what the m*t* concerned. Then in the days of 20 July or afterwards, I came to Germany. Gentlemen, you know what was going on in Germany at that time. I then had an attack of malaria and I was unable to move. Three of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,045,350 | 1,045,850 |
the Vatican. And at the time, Professor Schroeder, gave me the opportunity to do this. This was in the period while I was in Italy. QWhat general picture can you give of the personality and the character of Professor Schroeder? AMay it please the Tribunal, the usual place from which I speak is the pulpit, not the witne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,045,800 | 1,046,300 |
of the secret service, and that I had already mentioned the name of Professor Shroedor that time in a positive sense, because the London Minister of War requested me at that time to give all the information which I had about the personalities of the Third Reich. At the time I stated everything I knew, and repeat I am a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,046,250 | 1,046,750 |
of the possibility to escape this th*** Q.You mentioned the fact that the Jehovah Witnesses were persecuted by the SS; do you know whether the Jehovah witnesses were sent to concentration camps? A.Yes, I knew that. Q.Do I understand you to say that it was a practice to condemn Jehovah Witnesses to death? A.You must mak... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,046,700 | 1,047,200 |
Wehrweht, because I had a colleague who was working there and certainly there are no ministers in the concentration camps, but certainly they are there as prisoners. QLet me put a case to you; you have heard of the Concentration camp Dachau, I assume? AYes. QYou know that that camp was under the jurisdiction of the SS ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,047,150 | 1,047,650 |
concentration camps, in particular who the inmates were, on which your testimony has been based so far? A.Those were my friends from the confessional church. Q.Didn't they tell you that in concentration camps there were large numbers of criminals, partly persons condemned to death and partly person with long prison sen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,047,600 | 1,048,100 |
were to camouflage names -- two cover names. As far as I know, at lest, and as far as I knew from confidential reports from my friends in the Confessional Church, they wore divided into two parts, into a public part which was shown as a model camp, and an unofficial half which was hot shown. My friends knew only the pu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,048,050 | 1,048,550 |
High Command of the army, as well as the officers of the Luftwaffe who were favorably inclined to religion by private agreement, as it were, took care of the Luftwaffe units which were in the neighborhood through the divisional chaplains. The result was that they got practically no care, because the army chaplain could... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,048,500 | 1,049,000 |
Concentration Camps. That was function which he had as Chief of the German police, in the German Ministry of the Interior. QBut, General, all of the defendants and their counsel have been very meticulous in drawing the line about the various duties of the man who occupies two positions and, since that's been done to su... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,048,950 | 1,049,450 |
personally did not make such a great emphasis on these fine points, because I approved the position of superior in the in the chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service to the extent by which, for example, the instructions as given before August 1944. I considered orders, and I acted accordingly. For example, if it was a d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,049,400 | 1,049,900 |
testimony that is here given. I am asking you if the statement in this affidavit which I have read to you is a correct statement in your understanding of Rostock's job in the years of 1944 and 1945. Now is it or isn't it? AYes, that was my understanding of the position. QWell, let's turn to Becker-Freyseng, You describ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,049,850 | 1,050,350 |
work carried out by the Luftwaffe, was he not? AOn aviation medicine research -- on aviation medicine, yes, that was received by my office and was turned over to him. As I said this morning, and say now, of course, he know what kind of assignments were being carried on, but he was still not a specialist in these indivi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,050,300 | 1,050,800 |
Rose. It is possible that Rose did not learn of all the daily work, because the department took care of it if it did not require any scientific knowledge. Q.I am not interested in the daily operations of this office that Hippke ran. I put it to you that Rose knew anything important that came up in the Hygienic section,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,050,750 | 1,051,250 |
all of us to get a clear picture of how things operated in practice. And I want that this affidavit you signed was a pretty nice document from Rose's point of view compared with this interrogation you were referring to, because you were asked another question. "Question: You never heard of Dr. Mrugowsky? Answer: Indeed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,051,200 | 1,051,700 |
seawater drinkable, which were carried on in the concentration camp Dachau?" You answered in part: "I cannot say anything about it. To me it looks as if the SS at that time, as it also can be seen from here, was in charge of the execution and there by it was completely out of my hands or ay direction. The situation in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,051,650 | 1,052,150 |
the high-altitude experiments was after the war ended and you were in captivity? AYes. That was in October or November 1945 when I was a prisoner of war in Latimore near London. We heard it on the radio. That was the first thing I had heard of it. QRose didn't tell you about those, did he, in London I mean? AWe were to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,052,100 | 1,052,600 |
I imagine he himself was not informed. QAnd you never made any investigation of the matter, of course, since you knew no nothing about it? ANo. QAnd you took no action against anyone with respect to it, of course. AI am sorry. That came through in English. (Interpreter put the question). ANo, I had no knowledge of thes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,052,550 | 1,053,050 |
circular to the subordinate agencies saying that should be done. I can't say exactly; but it was certainly in the report somewhere. QWell now, General; do I understand that the German military medical system was run so that you received your instruction from these reports about meetings? Didn't the medical service, as ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,053,000 | 1,053,500 |
in the matter of the United States of America against Karl Brandt, et al, defendants, sitting at Nuernberg, Germany, on 27 February 1947, 0930, Justice Beals presiding. THE MARSHAL:Persons in the courtroom will please find their seats. The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal 1. Military Tribunal 1 is now in sess... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,053,450 | 1,053,950 |
and was assigned to the man working on it. I cannot say that exactly. That is a matter of mail distribution which was not supervised by me in any way. Q.Well, General, don't you know as a matter of fact that with respect to the work of Haagen on typhus, and assuming he sent a report in to the Luftwaffe, didn't that rep... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,053,900 | 1,054,400 |
you mean? What discussions do you mean? Do you mean in the year 1940? Q.General, you know as a matter of fact there apparently is some dispute between the prosecution and yourself about the precise date, but you knew during the course of the war that Holzloehner, Finke, and Rascher had carried out experiments on concen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,054,350 | 1,054,850 |
you to have denied heretofore; now, had you seen Holzloehner's report, or not? A.No, nor did I ever say that I had. He reported to me on this, but he not show me a report. Q.Now, General, I am reading from a summary from an interrogation of you made on 21 October 1946, and one paragraph reads as follows: "Schroeder als... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,054,800 | 1,055,300 |
report in just a moment, but right now I want to go on with your discussion with Holzlochner. Can you tell us, more or less, exactly what he told you? A.That is a little too much to ask, a short remark that I made in 1944 on the occasion of a fast visit, that I should recall it now, I do recall the Holzlochner was not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,055,250 | 1,055,750 |
water of 2 to 12 degrees." That statement indicates very clearly that Rascher and Finke were working with Holzloechner, does it not? A.Yes. Q.Now, I think you stated to your own Defense Counsel that it was impossible for you to conclude from this report that experiments had been carried out, but rather, you thought the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,055,700 | 1,056,200 |
at that time. QOn the same, page they have this remark: "With the drop of the rectal temperature to 31 degrees, a clouding of consciousness occurs, which passes to a deep, cold-induced anesthesia if the decline reaches below 30 degrees." Now, do you suppose that they pulled this aviator in and inserted a rectal thermom... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,056,150 | 1,056,650 |
to light, I should; but at that time I never suspected the possibility from that report that these were a special group of human being experiments. I can say that here under oath; and I should like to reiterate it. That was my attitude toward the matter at that time and it has only been change by what I have discovered... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,056,600 | 1,057,100 |
experiments, did you? A.No. During our imprisonment, yes, but not at this time. Q.On the sulfanilimide experiments you state that you know nothing about these? A.Yes. Q.Did you read the report on the meeting of the consulting physicians in May, 1943? A.I don't remember. I don't know anymore. I do not recall the report ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,057,050 | 1,057,550 |
Butchner and Herr Zuckschwert. Naturally, I have already arranged with Herr Kalk that we shall undertake that type of experiment with our material. I must therefore first determine the point of view of the others concerned. "I shall be very glad to begin work on the nephritis material from your Oberstarzt K." Signed Ha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,057,500 | 1,058,000 |
business was not something which was communicated to us by the Luftwaffe. It can be seen from the document that the hepatitis research was resigned by the research institute and was not under control of the Luftwaffe. If I can return to my previous testimony I shall repeat that a working circle was built with no regard... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,057,950 | 1,058,450 |
there I no word saying that Buchner or Kalk wants that. It is only Haagen's point of view, and he referred to the fact that Gutzeit is thinking along somethat the same lines. Q.Well, General, I put it to you that this jaundice was a very serious problem, and I also want to call your attention to the date, that is June ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,058,400 | 1,058,900 |
the Reich Research Council could supply funds to Haagen to carry out a certain experiment but, as Hostock himself has told us, the Reich Research Council couldn't issue orders to Haagen or anybody else. They just supplied funds to make it possible to do the thing. Now, this man was subject to your orders? ANo. In this ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,058,850 | 1,059,350 |
were interested in - don't you think he told you about it? ANo.And, the document here clearly proves that his reports were sent to the Reich Research Council and not to us. The distribution is to be seen there - the place to which Haagen sent his reports. And, you must believe me about that - that the reports did not c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,059,300 | 1,059,800 |
in the academic room not in the actual office carrying on my business. QYou left these matters up to Rose, didn't you, doctor? ARose and QWill you tell me again when you visited Haagen in 1944? AAbout the 23 of May 1944 when I returned via Strassburg from France on an official trip and went to Berlin. I interrupted my ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,059,750 | 1,060,250 |
that the Luftwaffe had given such orders to Professor Haagen; that Professor Haagen was working on such matters." Your answer: "Well, I can only say that such orders had already been given earlier. The questions on spotted fever were questions in which the whole Wehrmacht was interested and these matters were not organ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,060,200 | 1,060,700 |
as also appeared in the Buchenwald experiments, that the testing of various vaccines simultaneously gives a clearer idea of their value than the testing of one vaccine alone." Dictated by Professor Rose and apparently signed by his adjutant. A.Please look at the heading - upper right - 13 December 1943. At that time I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,060,650 | 1,061,150 |
a form that I repudiate, then I also would have known how to take measures against that. Q.General, do you admit that, on the basis of the evidence here presented, Haagen carried out artificial infection experiments to test his typhus vaccines in the year 1944? A.There is no proof of that at all. In the matter of typhu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,061,100 | 1,061,600 |
when I note the date of this letter, the 27 of June 1944, I can see that this proposal never became a reality because in the next month the war events took such a turn as to make such experiment; impossible. It was a proposal that Haagen made to Professor Hirt which never came to the attention of my office. It was a pr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,061,550 | 1,062,050 |
It is not to be expected that Professor Haagen, under the circumstances, would take the stand and admit that he carried out a single infection experiment on human beings without their consent. A reasonable conclusion would be exactly the contrary and the same is true with respect to his assistant, Miss Crodel. If these... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,062,000 | 1,062,500 |
it did not come to me, I was given these things only in special cases by the commanding officer. First we have established contact with Luxenberger and asked whether he remembers having approved the work which mentioned experiments on human beings, he said "no". He said that he had not approved any work, that such expe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,062,450 | 1,062,950 |
write the report himself; it was probably done by Rose or Athmer, but I assume that Rose wrote it. He can certainly give you a good answer to this, which I cannot. QI am sure he probably has a very good answer, General. Now we come to document 131, which Prosecution Exhibit 309. This is a memorandum dated 29 August 194... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,062,900 | 1,063,400 |
Haagen's agency in some way. The budget experts took this sum from the funds at my disposal and sent it to the University of Strassbourg, to the treasury of the University of Strassbourg. From this sum Haagen was able pay the expenses for getting the chicken eggs, for paying the workers, and so forth. In addition, the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,063,350 | 1,063,850 |
regulation that information about such events, typhus cases in military installations, was to be sent as secret matters. That is what I read from it. Q.General, your reference to paragraph 4 here, I put to you, is just a little bit childish. Four reads: "The report of 21 June 1944 -- which obviously is a report by Haag... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,063,800 | 1,064,300 |
a large scale or very important, I had reserved for myself. The assignment of funds as an extension, or the renewing of existing assignments, I had turned over to my chief of staff. This is only a matter of a business dealing with a current matter which did not required any decision, and I didn't want my absence from t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,064,250 | 1,064,750 |
Do you find "Hygiene", Roman Numeral VI, General? It must be on page 6 or 7. AOn Page 7 of the German. QDo you find that? AYes. Q Hygiene. Item 2. "The manufacture of typhus vaccine. Secret. Medicine Institute, Strassbourg, Oberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Haagen." AIt, as well as the next case, "I manufacture of Yellow Fev... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,064,700 | 1,065,200 |
also contacted the Luftwaffe Medical Academy about this time to see if cadets could be made available. Now, when did you contact with the Medical Academy take place. AI said in connection with the Haagen business that I was on an official trip in France, and in the last days of May I returned to Berlin--about on the 27... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,065,150 | 1,065,650 |
and Becker-Freyseng reported to me and told me about this question and what had developed in the meantime. QGeneral, let's look at the minutes on that meeting. This is DocumentNO 177, Prosecution Exhibit 193. Now, if you say there was no intention of going to the SS until after you had exhausted all possibilities for o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,065,600 | 1,066,100 |
Berlin. I was able to see it there. No work could be done. Q.Any law against experimenting on members of the Wehrmacht? A.No. Q.Isn't it a fact that you knew that these experiments were apt to kill somebody and you weren't interested in volunteers, so you went to the SS? A.It is quite impossible. I would not expose the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,066,050 | 1,066,550 |
and unambiguous instructions which I issued were to carry out the experiments only to the extent that no damage would result to health. That cannot be explained away. If with the Berker drug any damage had been shown after one or two days, it would have been the duty of the person in charge of the experiments to break ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,066,500 | 1,067,000 |
the face of it, this is an outrageous document, and if it had been sent to me concerning anybody subordinated to me, I certainly would have seen to it that it was corrected, and I certainly would have insisted that my subordinate, such as Becker-Freysing was to you, bring such a document to my attention. But that didn'... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,066,950 | 1,067,450 |
do with this matter. QGeneral -- General, it is immaterial to me whether it was a mistake or wasn't a mistake. The important thing is that he get it, whether by mistake or otherwise. This says that it was distributed to his institute doesn't it? AIt says so here, yes. I don't know whether he got it. QNow then, after Mr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,067,400 | 1,067,900 |
about this meeting when I returned from my trip. He mostly mentioned the points which were important for me, that is to say, that the experiment was planned. QDid he tell you that he and Schaefer had reported on behalf of the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe? AHe represented my agency and, therefore, they ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,067,850 | 1,068,350 |
sea water at all. The fact that was water with five or six days undergoes, or, rather, has as a result permanent physical damage. I could not confirm on the basis of my own experiences, which I at that time made in my capacity as Fleet Physician about this very point. QIn other words, it is your considered judgment, as... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,068,300 | 1,068,800 |
and he insisted at great length that he told you; that he warned you; that he wanted no part of the Dachau experiments. Of course, you didn't know that when you were interrogated on the 2nd of October; and there you denied that he told you and that he warned you. Now, which position is correct? AIf Schaefer had testifi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,068,750 | 1,069,250 |
had somebody to speak to at that time and that was the reason I went there. QHow long did you talk to him? AI don't know that any longer; perhaps a quarter of an hour, or twenty minutes. I had no other subject to discuss with him than this after I dealt with it shortly, as I said, he and I, and I think it took about tw... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,069,200 | 1,069,700 |
war effort, and furthermore, that politically unreliable people and many other Germans with any way were not politically reliable were kept there too. This is what I knew about it; I already stated it here a few times. I can only say the am here under oath and I have to say that -- either you believe me or you don't. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,069,650 | 1,070,150 |
and the experiment could not be continued beyond three or four days, that exactly was the question which had to be decided by that experiment. It was not intended that by forcible means the Berka drug should be established. QBut, General, I dare say that if you were to rewriting this letter today, you would probably ph... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,070,100 | 1,070,600 |
volunteers. This point being mentioned here at all. Even if I was to real it today, I would ask myself why couldn't there by any volunteers among these people if any improvement of nourishment is offered, and if the men in charge of the experiment would tell them that this experiment will have no harmful effects regard... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,070,550 | 1,071,050 |
merely my assumption from which I can conclude to he recalled that I spoke about soldiers. This letter was sent off about fourweeks later, 28th June; that is probably four weeks after I had visit him. Perhaps he didn't remember the events exactly at that time. But that is an inter-office letter in the SS about which I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,071,000 | 1,071,500 |
rate, we in the Wehrmacht had people who were Gypsies, read a decree about it. I still remember that. There was something about Gypsies in one of the regulations that were issued that I remember that name, in one of the regulations that were issued during the War. QThen you are quite sure that Beiglboeck's instructions... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,071,450 | 1,071,950 |
I said yesterday, a superior has the duty to select a man for any work, whatever it may be, even in experiments, a man, who in accordance with his pre-education and other qualities can really assume responsibilities for any such work. I couldn't possibly do that from Berlin. I couldn't possibly assume responsibility fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,071,900 | 1,072,400 |
place at the Bunker Hospital near the zoo and I was supposed to attend an operation which was to take place at the same time. Therefore, I was very busy and went over to the operational theater in order to inform myself about something. I don't recall what it was. QYou weim just there long enough to ascertain that the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,072,350 | 1,072,850 |
we objected to that procedure we were told that later we would have sufficient opportunity to state our opinion about it verbally, so under these conditions we always signed our name. Now, of course, the situation is somewhat different. QWere you interrogated in the German language? AYes. QOr did you think that you kne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,072,800 | 1,073,300 |
that this entire complex included two points as far as I was concerned; namely, at first the introduction, my talk to Grawitz and my letter to the Reich Minister of the Interior, and then the execution of the experiments in Dachau. Whatever lay between I don't know because it wasn't within my sphere of competency. QNow... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,073,250 | 1,073,750 |
hepatitis patients under his supervision. I put a hospital at his disposal where he could continue to observe hepatitis patients. We were merely concerned with observation of sick soldiers. QThen a few more questions in order to clarify some points. You said before that your consulting surgeon, Professor Buerkle de la ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,073,700 | 1,074,200 |
a. by order, Chief of Communication Service, Chief of Transportation Service or whatever agency it may have been, and within the agencies at had been established who actually had authority to sign any letter. Q.The prosecutor put a question to you, what knowledge you had of concentration camps and you stated two names,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,074,150 | 1,074,650 |
Medical Services, who, according to official regulations, was to keep him informed about all important questions. Q.And to whom -- now, he was to be informed, would one inform him personally or would one turn to Rostock or to the Department of Planning and Economy, or Economy and Research? A.I think that one would have... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,074,600 | 1,075,100 |
excluded these f** A.Well, there are a number of other things which are listed in that list that was permitted. I think about 80 such things were mentioned. Q.Would you perhaps give us some such examples? -- Up to this point, no such things were discussed here. A.Well, these things are not subjects of discussions here,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,075,050 | 1,075,550 |
you, Dr. Seidl, in my office at four-thirty o'clock, after the recess, Dr. Seidl, counsel for the defendant Oberhauser, Counsel will proceed. BY DR. SERVATIUS: QWitness, I have had given to you two charts,NO-418and NO-41 that is Exhibits No. 12 and Exhibit No. 13. These are two charts which signed as an affidavit. Witn... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,075,500 | 1,076,000 |
right impression, and would be correctly submitted only if one made an explanation of the said plan, otherwise, there would be misunderstanding, such as we are explaining right now. QThen, the chart in itself is not clear? AYes, it is not clear; that is what I said at the time. QHew about the distinction between techni... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,075,950 | 1,076,450 |
AYes, that is right. QI thank you. DR. KRAUSS:Mr. President, I have no further questions. DR.TIPP (for the defendant Becker-Freysing): QProfessor, I have a few questions to put to you. During the direct examination we have discussed the position of Becker-Freyseng on your staff. At that time you described the position ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,076,400 | 1,076,900 |
by experiments; that the intro duction of the Berka procedure, at least, for a matter of days, in case of a distress at sea would be possible, in order thus to save the raw materials which the Schaefer procedure would use in large quantities. QThen, the Berka procedure had technical advances which made its introduction... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,076,850 | 1,077,350 |
Rose) QProfessor, yesterday or the day before I asked you a few questions concerning the position of your consulting hygienist Prof. Rose with reference to other consulting hygienists in the German Wehrmacht, and I had referred to your affidavit Number 449; and you had agreed with your co-defendants Handloser and Rosto... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,077,300 | 1,077,800 |
year 1944 that the phrase "control group" had not suggested anything to your mind. Possibly I misunderstood you. AI do not know at the moment in what connection that could have been said. QThe matter is clear to me now. I would also ask you, Witness, did I understand you to say this morning that if a person would drink... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,077,750 | 1,078,250 |
1934 I was assistant for clinics in Dortmund and Karlsruhe until 1937. In 1937 I took maneuvers with the Wehrmacht. On the first of October 1937 I became assistant arzt of the reserves On the first of January 1938 I became an active officer in the Wehrmacht. Q.Now, how were you employed in the Wehrmacht? A.Until the be... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,078,200 | 1,078,700 |
He was in charge of claiming hospitals, he directed the hospitals, he directed the removal of the wounded, the replacement of drugs and dressings, and all such things. Q.Can you tell me anything about the extent of the duties, first in the West, and second in the South, and then where Air Fleet Two was used in the East... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,078,650 | 1,079,150 |
that there were very close relationship or friendship and comradship and for this reason Hippke told Schroeder about everything that Hippke did. A.That may have bee the case formerly but as long as I was with Professor Schroeder, from the end of 41 on, in my opinion there was a definitely cool feeling between the two g... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,079,100 | 1,079,600 |
this meeting at Nurnberg? AI don't know the time exactly but some times that was received. QThat isn't what I want to know. I'm coning to that. But I mean, for example, whether at luncheon or supper it was discussed? A.No. QThe Medical Inspectorate later issued a report of this meeting. AYes. QIt was distributed to the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,079,550 | 1,080,050 |
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