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he not? AYes. QAnd do you know whether he attended the meeting of consulting physicians in 1942? A 1942? QYes, 1942? ANo, he did not. QWhere was he then? AHe was with the office then. He attended only one meeting. In 1944, I believe it was. QYes, that is on the list. Well witness, you have said that the office of the A... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,080,000 | 1,080,500 |
been in a great many institutes. I had never seen such a large animal kennel. This helps my memory. It was something I had never seen before. There were 8 ** 10 martens which were otherwise not used. There were very modern facilities for the animals. Q.Now what was discussed? A.The production of vaccine. Q.And what els... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,080,450 | 1,080,950 |
I would certainly remember that. Q.What was the subject of the conversation? A.The subject of the conversation was the production of vaccine. Q.Was the manner of production discussed? A.Yes, it was the production of typhus vaccine from rabbit lungs. Q.Was anything said about what assignment this was? A.That may be but ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,080,900 | 1,081,400 |
anything which he for his own person would repudiate? A.He told me at the time that he personally would conduct his office in such a way as was demanded of a decent doctor, and in regard to thing for which he could not take the responsibility he would combat them with all possible means. Moreover, in a discussion about... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,081,350 | 1,081,850 |
remember whether they were American or English-- officers at the time whom I get to know rather well. One of the officers thanked me for the care, and he wrote down my name before he left for Munich. Q.Are you through? A.Yes. Q.Do you know that Professor Schroeder took an interest in the spiritual care of the members o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,081,800 | 1,082,300 |
they heard. We frequently had to ask him to be more careful in his statements, since he and the Medical Service would no doubt suffer if that went on. Q.And how did he react? A.He was held back with difficulty, but he broke out again repeatedly. I can give an example of his inner attitude. His last son, Hans who has me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,082,250 | 1,082,750 |
this respect, and as long as he were with the fleet we were often envied for our fleet physician. QHow about his care for the nurses? AThat was the second thing in which he took a special interest. The nursing personnel in the Luftwaffe were really selected in time, and, in the almost five years when I worked with him,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,082,700 | 1,083,200 |
for making sea water potable you had no contact yourself? ANo. QDid you learn anything about it? AYes. QMay I ask you what? AI was told that the problem of making sea water drinkable was to be attacked, and then I heard that Dr. Schaefer had worked out a procedure and that this was another procedure according to Berker... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,083,150 | 1,083,650 |
AYes. DR. MARX:Then I have no further questions. BY DR. TIPP: QWitness, how long have you know Dr. Becker-Freyseng? ASince we were with the Medical Inspectorate, although we did study together, but we did not know each other. QThen your acquaintance dates from January 1944? AYes. QAnd you were with him until the end of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,083,600 | 1,084,100 |
stopped. Q.Then that was a general principle in the Medical Inspectorate? A.Not always. I must correct myself. It was the principle, yes, but from Prof. Schroeder a referent never signed. Q.I think we will come back this matter of the signature later. From your experience in the Medical Inspectorate or as adjutant, you... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,084,050 | 1,084,550 |
the actual specialized research? AYes. QAnd technical advice on technical things? AHe had consulting physicians for aviation medicine. QNow, do you know who was the consulting physician for aviation medicine? AYes, that was Prof. Dr. Struckholdt, Prof. Rein and Oberregierungsrat Benzinger. QThen, one might call them th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,084,500 | 1,085,000 |
personal impression of these personalities that Anthony probably worked on these questions personally and that he gave Dr. Becker-Freyseng only certain fields. A.Yes, that is my opinion. Q.Very well. Now in this connection, concerning Prof. Anthony, I will show you a document; it is in the German Document Book No. 3 fi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,084,950 | 1,085,450 |
copied then; it was not necessary to have it signed again. That the person who had worked out the natter and submitted it, that is to Anthony, had the right to certify this letter. A.Yes. Q.That was the general practice? A.Yes, at that time. Now witness, just keep the document book; there are some other things in it. I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,085,400 | 1,085,900 |
Institute in Strassburg, or whether this assignment was ordered by the medical inspectorate? AThat happened in 1942? for that reason I can answer only on the basis of my general knowledge. Luftgausanitaetsbteilung 7 can transfer a physician under his command from one point to another. There was no difficulty in that, t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,085,850 | 1,086,350 |
been enough? All this ... A.Yes. Q. .... correspondence would not have been necessary? A.Yes, that is right. Q.So that we can say with considerable certainty that this assignment was given without the knowledge of the Medical Inspectorate and according to the document was instigated by Luftgau Physician 7 in Munich? A.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,086,300 | 1,086,800 |
question for your orientation and to avoid misunderstandings. CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. KRAUSS: Q.There is a German university city with the name "Rostock". Witness, if you testified that Professor Anthony was deferred for the Medical Polyclinic Rostock, then you meant, did you not, the medical polyclinic at the Univers... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,086,750 | 1,087,250 |
apt to prolong the case considerably. It also should be noted that the defendant Schroeder has a substantial number of affidavits dealing with character in his document book, and I think that the rights of the defendants will be amply protected by permitting them to call no more that two character witnesses to testify,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,087,200 | 1,087,700 |
Professor Schroeder. At the outbreak of the war, it had been determined that the dental supply had not been secured to a sufficient extent. I, therefore, furnished the experience which I had gained in practicing my profession and I was conscripted into the Luftwaffe. In 1942, I was then transferred to the Medical Inspe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,087,650 | 1,088,150 |
only visited Berlin two or three times? AYes. QBecause from the beginning of 1940 until the end of '43, he was assigned as Air Fleet Physician? AYes. QCan you tell us something about the fact whether Professor Schroeder, during this period of time, had any official or private contact with the Medical Inspectorate? AHe ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,088,100 | 1,088,600 |
least by the fact that Professor Schroeder was living with us at the camp, and he took his meals in the noontime and in the evening together with us. Q.Therefore, general interesting questions from the individual special fields were discussed, and also questions which exceeded these things which were discussed official... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,088,550 | 1,089,050 |
of your judgment of him, Dr. Schroeder, as a human being, as a soldier, and as a physician, and, also, about his attitude towards the church, and his general ideaology. However, I must ask you to be as brief as possible, so that this will not take, too much of the time which is made available by the Tribunal. a. Profes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,089,000 | 1,089,500 |
better, and he was a very good superior. He was honest, and he strictly had a fooling of fulfilling his proper duty, and he had a profound sense of justice, and he had a pronounced love for the truth and that for me is a picture of the character of Professor Schroeder. DR. MARX:May it please the Tribunal, I have reache... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,089,450 | 1,089,950 |
a ENT physician; no, he was an eye physician, and he came from the front where he was also a pilot. He had obtained a large amount of knowledge of aviation problems. Q.And, therefore, both of these men were in a certain way experts on the questions of aviation medicine? A.Yes, certainly. Q.Now, what was your personal a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,089,900 | 1,090,400 |
Can you tell us anything about it? AThat is completely out of the question because a referent does not have the authority to issue orders. He was only able to make pre parations in some field of work but otherwise it would not have been possible for him to cause anybody to comply with his orders. QTherefore, it was imp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,090,350 | 1,090,850 |
keeping with the ruling recently made by Tribunal II, whereby they ruled that certain documents of this nature can be incorporated into the record, without necessitating the reading of them before the open court. I have not had an opportunity to talk to Dr. Mars, but I suggest that we could complete this case more expe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,090,800 | 1,091,300 |
hepatitis, typhus, and similar other experiments. MR. HARDY:Do I understand correctly that Dr. Marx at this time is offering exhibits 1, 2, and 3, or is he merely explaining that he is going to offer them, and offer them separately later? THE PRESIDENT:I understood counsel was simply explaining the documents to the Tri... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,091,250 | 1,091,750 |
admissible here. DR. MARX:May it please the Tribunal, the objection on the part of the prosecution is justified in itself because the document does not comply with the rulings which the Tribunal has fixed for an affidavit. However, it can be declared admissible as evidence if the previous exchange of letters and corres... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,091,700 | 1,092,200 |
German language. Are there translations from German? DR. MARX:No, we do not have the translation, Mr. President; but this could be done now. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will be glad if counsel will during the noon recess ascertain whether or not there is any provision in German law for the admission in evidence of such ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,092,150 | 1,092,650 |
And then I should like to speak of the political attitude of Mr. Schroeder as this witness sees it. It says that he had nothing to do with national socialism or any outgrowth of national socialism. I offer this affidavit as Exhibit - I offered the Lutze affidavit as Exhibit No. 2 and Buerkle De La Camp affidavit as Exh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,092,600 | 1,093,100 |
it. But, on page 2 under 3(b) I should like to read something. It says: "Attitude towards the wounded and sick: "In his care for the wounded and sick; Professor Schroeder continuously tried to get the best specialists for the hospitals and to assist them as much as he could in their work as well as with their equipment... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,093,050 | 1,093,550 |
the proper form hence I object to its admission in evidence as it does not comply with regulations set forth by the Tribunal. It has no jurate at all. It has no preamble - nothing that bears semblance of a proper affidavit. DR. MARX:Mr. President, this is an affidavit which is offered only provisionally. Karin Huppertz... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,093,500 | 1,094,000 |
of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe, during the war, since 1944. I, myself, was employed with the medical inspectorate of the medical service as a consulting specialist for internal diseases attached to the medical inspectorate of the Luftwaffe from the beginning of the war. "Regarding the question of alleged Exper... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,093,950 | 1,094,450 |
of his experimental animals. "Nothing was known to me of an intention of Professor Haagen or of an order to him to perform any experiments on human subjects, within the framework of his experiments. I never received a letter of the kind directed by Professor Haagen to Professor Kalk (27 June 1944), much less any corres... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,094,400 | 1,094,900 |
German transcript. That is on Page 36 - Document Book No. 12. That was not translated, I am sorry, Mr. President, because it is a Prosecution document. It is Document 287 - Document Book 12 - Document 287. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel, is the portion of the exhibit to which you just referred -- did you read from the Prosecuti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,094,850 | 1,095,350 |
of the Luftwaffe. I offer this as Exhibit 19. THE PRESIDENT:Let me understand, Counsel, just what you are offering as Exhibit 19. A portion of the Ding Diary which is already in evidence? DR. MARX:Yes. That is an excerpt from the Prosecution document book, Document 265. In the German document book 12 on page 36. THE PR... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,095,300 | 1,095,800 |
university vacations the only students who were not required to do practical work in military or general hospitals (compulsory service for assistants), ordered to attend the officers' training school, or to work for their examination, had to be drafted to medical service at the front in accordance with the Academy's tr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,095,750 | 1,096,250 |
experiments as were conducted at one time in the Camp Dachau. These gentlemen have declared themselves willing to do this because they have confidence in Professor submit this document today, however, because it is not in the proper form. I have just been informed that it is not translated. I ask to reserve the right t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,096,200 | 1,096,700 |
active in the Navy. Until the war I was Flotilla physician of a torpedo boat flotilla an assistant physician on a ship of the Line. In the spring of 1914 I went to our colony Tsingtau in East Asia and I was there when the first world war broke out. I participated in the campaign at Tsingtau against Japan. In 1915 I ret... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,096,650 | 1,097,150 |
medical practice for 15 years why did you give up this profession and join the Party or rather the SS? A.I have already said that there were reasons of health which motivated me to look for another profession, and that I had the inclination to the class of a medical officer. Q.What was your position in the SS? A.I was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,097,100 | 1,097,600 |
Army to the Waffen SS, and another time we discussed the decontamination companies and the third discussion with Professor Handloser was in my office. He came to see me in order to inquire about the SS physician who was to be appointed to his section as Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service, but the Reichsfuehrer Himm... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,097,550 | 1,098,050 |
from the hygiene laboratory when the Waffen SS was created. He was at the same time the head of the hygienic service in my office, the office chief in my office, and until August 1943 at the time of the reorganization of the medical service which I have already mentioned, he was under my command. After this time he ent... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,098,000 | 1,098,500 |
Then another time the physician of the National Political Training Institutions told of his experiences in the medical service with the students of the institution. Then the Reich Physician also organized two lectures in the police state hospital in Berlin, the purpose of which was to have the police and SS doctors bot... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,098,450 | 1,098,950 |
the Waffen SS was lacking all reserve medical officers because these had been conscripted, even before the war, by the branches of the Wehrmacht. Q.Were these medical officers furnished to the Waffen SS gladly? A.As a result of this shortage of medical officers, big difficulties prevailed and I had to fight for almost ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,098,900 | 1,099,400 |
the Waffen SS, and on the other hand he tried to obtain all the power in the State. In order to do this he had to camouflage most of his aims, and in this case he used to play out one person against the other, and in this way he left the supreme medical leadership in complete unclarity, and he played out several physic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,099,350 | 1,099,850 |
the SS, At that time, without having previously been prepared, all the four office chiefs, and all hygienic institute and pharmaceutical establishments were taken from me all at the same time. Q.What was one discussion, and when was the second? A.The second one took place in spring 1942, on the occasion of a discussion... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,099,800 | 1,100,300 |
of it and he report that to me later. Q.And what did you do then? A.I told Obergruppenfuehrer Jeuttner, my military superior, that he could take over my office, and I told the Reich physician SS Dr. Grawitz that disciplinary measures should be taken against me. However this suggestion was not approved. Q.Now what resul... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,100,250 | 1,100,750 |
him? ABefore the War and from 1936 to 1939, we were able to work together extremely well, and at the beginning of the War I was given a command at the Front which I have previously mentioned, and he tried -together with the Chief of Staff who was then Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Dermitzel-to keep the command at the Front whic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,100,700 | 1,101,200 |
his secret research assignments? A.No. He never gave me any insight into this field or work. Q.Why not? A.According to the knowledge which I have obtained now, I think it was for the following reasons: first of all, there was the well-known Fuehrer's Decree for Secrecy, the so-called Fuehrer Decree No. I, and, secondly... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,101,150 | 1,101,650 |
men and the losses of the Waffen SS can be estimated as approximately 320,000. At that time fifteen divisions were still being prepared for action. That was before the end of the war. Q.And what medical units were included in the SS division? A.In the case of the first twelve divisions the medical unite of a division c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,101,600 | 1,102,100 |
August 1943, it was the longest time these institutes were subordinated to me, we added six further institutes, and while this first institute was the only one which was located at home in Berlin, the remaining six institutes were located in the occupied territories. They were at Riga, Minsk, Jepopotrowsk, Kiew, Reichk... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,102,050 | 1,102,550 |
a considerable extent through air attacks. I was forced in the summer of 1943 to find other quarters seventy kilometers from Berlin, and I transferred the larger part of ay agency to that place and only had a small staff with the old agency in Berlin. Q.And if I have correctly understood your previous statements, you w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,102,500 | 1,103,000 |
wounded and the pa tients and he had to take care of the transporting of the wounded and the patients. He was in charge of the hospital system and then he was in charge of establishing new medical units. He also, took care of the welfare, supply, and replacement system. Furthermore, he was in charge of the convalescent... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,102,950 | 1,103,450 |
DR. MERKEL:May it please the Tribunal, I am now coming to the sulfonimide experiments. Perhaps it would be a convenient time now to call a recess. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will be in recess until 9:30 o'clock Monday morning. (The Tribunal adjourned until 0930 hours, Monday, 3 March 1947.) Official transcript of the A... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,103,400 | 1,103,900 |
the charges against Defendant Genzken under Specification K, experiments with poison, and Specification L, the incendiary bomb experiments. Q (By Dr. Merkel) Therefore, in connection with the sulfanomide experiments you are mentioned in two experiments, one of them in connection with an affidavit of the Co-Defendant Fi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,103,850 | 1,104,350 |
the English Document Book: DR. MERKEL:May I repeat please, it is Document Genzken, Number 7, on page 15 of the Document Book. "I remember that toward the end of April or the beginning of May 1943 I drove Dr. Genzken from Berlin to Karlsbad to take the cure. Sturmbannfuehrer Gross mann accompanied him on this trip. I dr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,104,300 | 1,104,800 |
that? AI heard that in the course of a preliminary interrogation. QWhere did this preliminary interrogation take place? AHere in Nurnberg. QWitness, please make a short pause between my question and your answer. When did you hear about the origin of the cultures which were used in the experiments at Ravensbruck? AI onl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,104,750 | 1,105,250 |
the reason for manufacturing your own vaccine? AIt has already been mentioned here during the course of the trial, in the year 1941, at the front in tho East, and also in the occupied territories and even already within Germany there was a great danger of typhus epidemics. At the time there was very little vaccine in o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,105,200 | 1,105,700 |
to exclude me from everybody on account of that. And, he knew that Himmler had withdrawn all his confidence from me and I heard from Professor Mrugowsky that he had stated on several occasions that Genzken was not to concern himself with scientific research. DR. MERKEL:May it please the Tribunal, may I present another ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,105,650 | 1,106,150 |
mainly interested in the results of the manufacturing of the vaccine in Block 50 which as I now know was stepped up in the summer of 1943, and as Dr. Hogan stated in the middle of August, 1943, it began it's production and only in the late fall of 1943 the production of the vaccine really got under way. That was at a t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,106,100 | 1,106,600 |
of tho experimental series and fatalities was shown to me for the first time here in the Palace of Justice. QWon't you say with that that you would have reacted differently if you had been informed in detail about these matters by Dr. Mrugowsky? AYes, I am certain that such big numbers certainly would have remained per... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,106,550 | 1,107,050 |
any research activities because of the first world war. At the time of the first world war I had interrupted my surgical training and then I was organizationally 15 years active in the Navy Section submarine and later on I was ten years with the Waffen SS and I mainly occupied myself with organizational matters and in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,107,000 | 1,107,500 |
If I may say so, I had such a relationship with several SS physicians and I can name several. Q.I believe, witness, that this will be sufficient. Witness, Kogan testified that Ding wanted to exploit you in your position. A.Yes, I also gained this feeling after some time. I felt this: Ding was trying to gain through my ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,107,450 | 1,107,950 |
middle of August, as I have already stated. It only began its production in late fall. That was at a period of tine when I was not responsible anymore. Q.But then why was the name of the research department approved when this actually was a production establishment? A.That in itself is a contradiction of the objective.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,107,900 | 1,108,400 |
June until the middle of August was also taking a vaca tion on a Baltic sea island near Ruegen. Then, from spring 1942 until A****t 1943, there were only few winter months and according to the diary it is in these winter months that the main activity was carried out by Ding in his research institute and I believe that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,108,350 | 1,108,850 |
initiative try to obtain details about the experiments at Buchenwald? How can you explain that fact? A.I never felt responsible for the experimental station. Proof of this is the fact that I never visited it. I was mainly interested in the results which were achieved in the production of vaccine at the production place... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,108,800 | 1,109,300 |
under the superior to whom they had been attached." The defendant himself has made a little chart which shows the subordination procedure of Blocks 46 and 50 in Concentration Camp Buchenwald. It shows the relationship of subordination of Dr. Ding; this is Genzken Document 11 on page 26 of the document book and I offer ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,109,250 | 1,109,750 |
of the Reich Physician SS, as far as medical matters were concerned. "Furthermore, there occasionally existed direct contact between the *** of the experimental station, Dr. Ding, and the personal staff of Himmler. "The prerequisites for a vaccine having been created, the site for the production of vaccines was prepare... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,109,700 | 1,110,200 |
institute. "From that time, the postal address for official communications for Block 50 was given as: '"R. F. S. S. - Department for Typhus and Virus research at the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen SS, Weimar-Buchenwald.' I remember that before this name was adopted, that is before spring 1943, Ding, as chief of the ex... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,110,150 | 1,110,650 |
for the new vaccine production establishment; that is to say, I would have been his superior. However, this never came to pass because it only began its work in December and that was at the time when I was no longer responsible. QAnd what was your relationship to Dr. Ding? AUntil his appointment as the Chief of the Exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,110,600 | 1,111,100 |
Exhibit 281, page 1, of the Document Book Number 12 of the prosecution. It is here maintained that according to Ding's utterances you showed a special interest in typhus experiments and Ding had sent you reports on frequent occasions; is that correct? AI think that is slightly exaggerated by Dr. Ding. QDr. Hoven mainta... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,111,050 | 1,111,550 |
in that form. This is merely an order to Ellenbeck composed of two orders, one directed to Amtsgruppe D. Berlin, Charleffenburg and to SS hospital Lichterfelde, and that is how this address is composed of Ellenbeck, but that isn't really correct as you put it. QNow, one final question. What did you know about the exper... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,111,500 | 1,112,000 |
QWhat was Poppendick's designation after Grawitz's office was reorganized in September 1943? AWould you repeat? QWhat was Poppendick's designation after the agency of Grawitz was reorganized in September 1943? AHe was chief of the personal office. QWas such a designation placed in or outside of these offices of Grawitz... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,111,950 | 1,112,450 |
on human beings which are the subject of the indictment? ANo, we never discussed that. DR. BOEHM:Thank you. I have no further questions. DR. KRAUSS:Mr. President, please permit me to put two questions to the witness. EXAMINATION BY DR. KRAUSS: (Counsel for Rostock) QWitness, did Professor Rostock in his capacity as lea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,112,400 | 1,112,900 |
not have carried out any measures on the Hygiene Field in the SS which he seemed to be corrected? A.He always had to go over my military authority. Q.Now, with reference to the other organizations of the SS; for instance, concentration camps or other organizations which were subordinated to the medical office of the Wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,112,850 | 1,113,350 |
his institute were used for front matters. Q.What was the official relationship of Mrugrowsky to Grawitz? Was he in any close connection with him? A.No, one can hardly say that. It was no personal relationship at all. Q. Did he give Grawitz orders at any time? A.I don't know anything about that. Q.Do you know his opini... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,113,300 | 1,113,800 |
on his own initiative, to see to it that these were dropped? A.On the basis of his position in the medical office and in the SS operational office, he had no authority inside the concentration camps, and had nothing to do with the entire administration of inmates, and he had no business interfering. Q.When you were exa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,113,750 | 1,114,250 |
about Block 46. I emphasized that I know that from the files and I think Dr. Kogan testified to that effect, namely that the Reichsarzt had appointed you as the camp physician of Buchenwald as the man in charge of the medical service of the concentration camps. Q.Well in order to clarify that point I am merely basing y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,114,200 | 1,114,700 |
department far instance was in Berlin, whereas Eicke's agency was outside in Oranienburg where he had his department. Q.Now, wasn't this Eicke a fabulous character? Can you tell us something about Eicke? A.Eicke had been active with the Navy during the first world war and in some treasury capacity. He must have been a ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,114,650 | 1,115,150 |
Commission come there from the Red Cross and from the Army who were really surprised about the cleanliness and order in the concentration camps. I know nothing about anything you are telling me and I certainly didn't make any such observations. Q.You were responsible for the physical condition of the inmates within the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,115,100 | 1,115,600 |
to Eicke and Grawitz monthly, wasn't it? A.As far as I remember, monthly reports were made as it was done with fighting units. Q.Well, now, do you maintain, doctor, that during the time that you were chief medical officer of these concentration camps that the camps were somewhat similar to a Boy Scout health camp? That... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,115,550 | 1,116,050 |
in America. Now, it is also my understanding that even the unspeakable Oswald. Pohl had some misgivings about the conditions of the camps during your time. At the time when he was to take over the economic administration he wasn't particularly satisfied with some of the things that were going on under Eicke. How do you... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,116,000 | 1,116,500 |
as his personal physicians; and Dr. Hoch was there for a short period of time, and this was in the fall of 1943, and from that time on it was a reserve physician, Dr. Bliess. These men were in charge of the Office for the Medical Service. QNow what was Amt 14? AThat was for the dental service. QAnd Amt 15? AThat was th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,116,450 | 1,116,950 |
under your control. Now, as a matter of fact, wasn't the Experimental Station at Buchenwald a Hygiene Station of the Waffen SS? ANo, this was ordered by Grawitz and it was an experimental station that was connected with the Research Institute of the Reich Physician within the Concentration Camp Buchenwald. I, as Chief ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,116,900 | 1,117,400 |
of the Institute Hohenlychen. Gebhardt had a similar position with Restock. He was Chief of the University Clinic, and at the time he was Medical Officer in the Army and Gebhardt was over the Civilian Institute of Hohenlychen, and he was also in the same research status in the Waffen SS, and since he had already been a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,117,350 | 1,117,850 |
had been assigned to the Army. The division of physicians of these camps were subordinated to the Army physicians of the Army Group Medical officers. They were subordinated to the Medical Inspectorate of the Army or Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service. However, as far as the troops at home were concerned, there was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,117,800 | 1,118,300 |
I have seen that before the document, which was presented to the Tribunal here, and it must have been in 1941 or 1942. A number of budgets were set up for such institutes and they were included in the budget, and this was discussed in a meeting at the Ministry of Finance. I also attended this meeting, and it came from ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,118,250 | 1,118,750 |
it did not go over Mueller, but if Grawitz had any incident to establish them Grawitz probably passed these matters on directly to Pohl, because he did not have any main office. But you just made the mistake, hat you stated Mrugowsky had initiated these things. I only stated that the things which referred to the Hygien... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,118,700 | 1,119,200 |
resulted that I really was not a suitable man to be the deputy to Grawitz. It was only an assumption that he was sick, but I do not know if it was actually the case. Q.Next to Grawitz, you were the most important man in the SS medical service; were you not? A.I don't want to pass any judgment as to my importance, howev... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,119,150 | 1,119,650 |
Q.Prior to the reorganization - before? A.As I have already stated this morning in my examination by the defense counsel, of Mrugowsky, he participated in a meeting and gave me an over-all report. We did not engage in any correspondence, I did not like to have a lot of paper correspondence. I was very well known for th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,119,600 | 1,120,100 |
research and planning. It had expressedly boon stated in a written order from Mimler to the Reichs Physician of the SS, *oca use these things did not only apply to the Weffon SS, but also to the remaining SS and the Police. Q.Alright. Now those fighting units of the Waffen SS were at all parents; were they not? A.Yes, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,120,050 | 1,120,550 |
in order to but into contact with the Army hygienists. Since a short existed in Germany also with the Army the collaborators of Professor Mrugowsky Were also very much welcome by your trans at the front. QWell then first y u state in your opening state sent that your solo and exclusive task was the Medical care of the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,120,500 | 1,121,000 |
of Mrugowsky. QWell then, in as much as you were considerably interested in the lives of those soldiers in the East and they were dying like flies from a typhus epidemic, what did you yourself about it? It was of immediate interest to you. AThey died like flies of what? QTyphus. Weren't the soldiers dying in the East o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,120,950 | 1,121,450 |
and also concerned Dr. Handleser, as he stated when he was on the stand. Now, the Weigl vaccine, mulch perhaps was the one that you had in the most quantity at that time, you needed to experiment, didn't you? Now you couldn't produce the Weigl vaccine in sufficient quantity, therefore experimentation was necessary. Now... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,121,400 | 1,121,900 |
am Ding to real again from the Ding diary, which has been introduce as Prosecution's Exhibit -- Document No. 265, which is Exhibit No. 237, and it says: "By order of the Surgeon General of the Waffen-SS, SS Gruppenfuehrer and Generalleutenant of the Waffen-SS, Dr. Genzken, the bither to existing spotted fever research ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,121,850 | 1,122,350 |
order, an order was not given. It was a suggestion of Ding's to which Genzken gave his approval. These are statements which Hoven made, which I have just mentioned. Therefore, if I may summarize: If what is contained in the diary is derrest, then it must be stated that I only have the approval for change of the startin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,122,300 | 1,122,800 |
Mrgowsky, and some of them went directly, according to the testimony, they were passed on the Reich Physician SS. He could report to Himmler in accordance with Kogen and Balioewsky, who stated indirectly that he had a special interest in this arrangement, and that he had reported on it, and that he wanted to know every... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,122,750 | 1,123,250 |
according to the affidavit put in this morning, - "Dr. Genzken ordered the foundation of the Department for Spotted Fever and Virus Research at the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen SS in the Buchenwal Concentration Camp and appointed Dr. Ding as Chief of this department. As I was at that time Chief of AXT XVI Hygiene in... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,123,200 | 1,123,700 |
very brief. I believe that I can remember that both of us were standing at the time. I would like to hear Dr. Mrugowsky when he takes the witness stand. I can only emphasize once more that if this had been a detailed discussion then I would have had an idea about the big figures of the experimental series, and as far a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,123,650 | 1,124,150 |
here in Nurnberg? AIt was as follows: When I was told. I did not have to give my testimony without first consulting my defense counsel, and at that time without a defense counsel I was confronted by Mrugowsky. We actually were not confronted with each other but we had our backs to each other. I was behind Mrugowsky so ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,124,100 | 1,124,600 |
there was an entomologist solution, the fact that typhus should occur in as big a camp as Buchenwald, it seemed to me that the information that typhus had broken out as a result of an epidemic, and I thought that observations wore being made on persons who had. been vaccinated and persons who had not been immunized on ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,124,550 | 1,125,050 |
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