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to talk about such matters). For his part, he always did all he could to correct unscientific and unexpert actions. He was an exemplary Army Physician and Army Medical Inspector, to whom the German soldier and the wounded or sick enemy owes the greatest gratitude. As much as he was feared because of his strictness, he ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 945,000 | 945,500 |
are preceding a little too fast. We have net succeeded in numbering our documents yet, due to the fact that the last document mentioned was neither indexed or paged. The **at we have is your Exhibit 47, HA-53. Will you give us again the next number of your next exhibit -- the number of your next exhibit? DR. NELTE: It ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 945,450 | 945,950 |
etc.) to the French hospitals and had them help and work there. If wounded prisoners of war were brought to German field hospitals, he did not have the patients separated according to friend or fee, but only according to tic typo and severity of tie wound or the sickness." I am presenting this document as Exhibit 48 an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 945,900 | 946,400 |
the Tribunal upon the letter from the pretonetary, it is my understanding. that HA Document No. 55 would now receive the permanent number HA Exhibit 42. If I remember correctly that number was left assigned to this document provisionally. Is that correct, counsel? DR. NELTE:That was Exhibit 41. It was the affidavit by ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 946,350 | 946,850 |
defendant may offer these provisionally with the record to be supplemented later. Counsel may proceed. DR. NELTE:Mr. President, I come to the conclusion. Finally, I refer to the personality of Dr. Handloser, to the affidavit of Generalarzt Penner, HA 6, Exhibit 25, as well as the affidavits of Colonel Dr. Von Erlach, H... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 946,800 | 947,300 |
saw him at such an occasion around the end of 1942. He impressed me as a highly qualified physician and soldier and a good man. This opinion I expressed already in an earlier letter which I directed a month ago for the President of the Military Tribunal in Nuernberg, through the Military Attache of the US Army at Berne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 947,250 | 947,750 |
impression that Prof. Dr. Handloser is a good man and a good physician and I refuse to believe that the unheard-of cruelties performed in the PW camps were carried out with his knowledge and his approval." It is possible that Prof. Brunner is mistaken in the last sentence. There was no question of prisoner of war camps... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 947,700 | 948,200 |
the number, the HA number? JUDGE SIEBRING:This morning you handed up to the bench two documents filed supplemental documents, Handloser. One of them was HA 43. The other document was HA 54. The Tribunal received Document HA 54 as Handloser Exhibit 46, but I do net recollect that HA 43 was ever tendered to the Tribunal ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 948,150 | 948,650 |
of the medical faculty at the University of Berlin. During the past war I was assigned to the army as consulting surgeon. During the Polish campaign I was not used, and during the French campaign I served with the 16th Army, later on at the hospital base at Paris. During the Russian campaign I was with the 6th Army for... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 948,600 | 949,100 |
experiments I have taken from the indictment. I have drawn a very thick black line around the experiments of which I am accused with special responsibility. Q.May I interrupt you, the Tribunal has photostatic copies. The heavy lines there are not black but white. Also your activity as Editor of the Central Journal of S... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 949,050 | 949,550 |
before, because I knew that it was a document which had been admitted in the first trial. Now, as Document No. Rostock 4, Exhibit No. 4, I submit an except from the list of German surgeons. This is a scientific publication in which all works in the Medical Field are contained which German professors had done at that ti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 949,500 | 950,000 |
publish a scientific journal? A.Ever since the year 1939 together with Professor Hagnus and after his death I have issued the journal for Surgery as editor. Q.Is that a journal which is well-known in scientific circles? A.It is the oldest German surgical journal with the largest number of publications. Q.Were you a mem... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 949,950 | 950,450 |
in order to be able to be present there at all times. Q.During the war you were also a consulting surgeon in the Army Medical Inspectorate. Please describe your activity there to the Tribunal. A.First of all, I had to consult with the inspector and members of his staff with single surgical questions. I further had to d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 950,400 | 950,900 |
a chairman in a specialized group for surgery? 3266 AThe presidents of those specialists groups were always the consulting hygienists, or surgeons of these specialists groups. That since during that when I was consulting surgeon of the Army Medical Inspectorate, I was charged with the direction of the specialists' grou... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 950,850 | 951,350 |
by members of this department. Q.At the meeting in 1943, did you yourself hear Professor Gebhardt's speech? A.Yes, I heard it personally. Q.What did you think, when you hear Professor Gebhardt's speech as to the manner and the execution? A.Professor Gebhardt said the following: That the experiments been carried out on ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 951,300 | 951,800 |
anybody, and the lecturer did not draw any particular attention to it, as the effect of sulfanilamide was discussed not only solely in connection witt the lecture of Gebhardt, but at the time about four or five more lectures were given on the subject, and about six or seven people discussed this which complex question.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 951,750 | 952,250 |
wounds, that also examination of the blood and urine should be carried out with regards to quality as well as quantity. They were usually carried out in the healing of wounds. Q.Did you actually carry out this work? A.No, in order to be able to place these examinations on a very broad. basis, I required a psychologist,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 952,200 | 952,700 |
also with laboratory equipment, should be sent to the front line hospitals and they should there study the effects on wounds, which had been inflicted in the course of combat. Accordingly, two such troops were established under Professors Hellner and Koestler. Q.Did you inform Professor Gebhardt of your efforts in the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 952,650 | 953,150 |
constantly during the war? A.We saw each other on very rare occasions. He was located in tho Fuehrer's headquarters; and I was at the front with the army and also in Berlin. Q.Were you informed about what I did during the war up to the end of 1943? A.No. Q.What do you know about the decree of the 28th of July, 1942, co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 953,100 | 953,600 |
regard to scientific subjects and student training and text books became small and smaller. Finally I knew that lecturing for the German scientists about the experiences collected abroad had came to a complete standstill. Q.You were already head of the Surgical Clinic, Generalarzt in the Army, Consulting Surgeon, Dean ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 953,550 | 954,050 |
Q.Did you have the impression that by the decree of September 1943 a science and research in Germany was out under you? A.No, not at all. Mr. Lammers has expressed the fact very clearly. In my opinion, that also in the field of science and research Brandt was only told to solve and to carry out special assignments, as ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 954,000 | 954,500 |
te carried out in this field for the time being. Q.Was anything changed when - I believe it was in February 1944 - you exercised this activity no longer in your clinic but in the office in Belit near Berlin? A.The work at Belitz was, of course, carried out much more slowly, the other hand the separation of the clinic a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 954,450 | 954,950 |
all other specialized people. The purpose of such a conference was not to give special research assignments, but it was to give general ideas in these fields, and similar discussions were under preparation about research on the brain current, on the tissue cultures and Spor element, and ultra sound. Q.Perhaps I may int... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 954,900 | 955,400 |
to the look question which I have mentioned. here. I further more know myself that special research was already being furthered and supervised by other agencies, and that furthermore the necessities of the war were limited te a certain number. Q.In the chart, Exhibit No. 1, you described the proportion of your activity... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 955,350 | 955,850 |
for that was lacking too. Q.And you did not consider the decree in that sense either? A.No, I did not understand it to be in this way. In my opinion, only one person can want to be a dictator and that is one who does not have the slightest idea about real science. You cannot tell anybody on that kind of work to reach a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 955,800 | 956,300 |
complied with. It happened frequently that for example a drug, which we had described as dispensable, that this drug could be produced very easily, because it had accumulated as a by-product of some other product. In such a case, the clinical interests had to stay behind the interests of production. Of course, this was... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 956,250 | 956,750 |
agencies who could conscript personnel in Germany and that was not only the Wehrmacht, but that also was the police and some other agencies, desired to conscript personnel, he could say that he had the research assignment and further that the people could not be conscripted as these people were needed because they had ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 956,700 | 957,200 |
priority number, was assigned by the agency which gave the assignment, but from what you have just said, I am beginning to doubt. It seems that the assignment was given by an institution and that this priority, this preference, was given by another agency. A.The priority was determined by the war economic agency. If ot... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 957,150 | 957,650 |
we still considered necessary for research. And these one dozen subjects I submitted to the Ministry for Armament and also the other agencies which were interested. Q.This subject is somewhat difficult. You have stated that for judging an assignment from the joint of view of war economy it was decisive to determine the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 957,600 | 958,100 |
their seats. The Honorable, the Judges of Military Tribunal 1. Military Tribunal 1 is now in session. God save the United States of America and this honorable Tribunal. There will be order in the courtroom. THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain that the defendants are all present in court. THE MARSHAL:May it pl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 958,050 | 958,550 |
asking you if turns preliminary work had any effect whatsoever. Did such an interference or an intervention take place, that is an intervention of the part of the armament industry or any other state agency? Did they intervene in the medical research activity? ANo, such an intervention did not take place. The developme... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 958,500 | 959,000 |
is documentNO-082, that is Prosecution's Exhibit 7. This decree also mentions for the first time the right to issue instructions. Did this decree change anything in your previous activities. ANo, no change occurred, I have already explained yesterday that I do not think much of instructions in the field of research. An... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 958,950 | 959,450 |
ANo, it did not seem to be very important to me. QDid you find out anything about the fact that the research work was carried out by the SS in the various concentration camps? ANo, I have not found out anything about it. QDid you find cut anything about the experiments on human beings on the part of the SS? AI never fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 959,400 | 959,900 |
the most unimportant matters were classified as secret, and perhaps I could describe to you an incident which I know from my activity as Dean of the Medical Faculty in Berlin. It may have been in the year of 1942 or 1943 and those questionnaires were sent to all the university teachers by the Reich Research Counsel and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 959,850 | 960,350 |
A.I also know that from President Menzel. Q.As it was previously mentioned, Fr. Menzel was the manager in the Reich Research Council? A.Menzel was the deputy president, if I remember correctly. He was acting president council. Q.What was the position of the presidial council? A.I assumed that the presidial council was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 960,300 | 960,800 |
Research Council had to comply with this request or could it have refused the request? A.It did not need to comply with it; it could also refuse. Q.That was a suggestion? A.Yes, that was only a suggestion. Q.The witness Prof. Gutzeit has testified before this Tribunal that you had made written inquiries to him with reg... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 960,750 | 961,250 |
to do this I had to approach the people that were to obtain the foreign literature. In his matter I also asked Menzel's aid in the Reich Research Council. It was also in this case that my agency I had to approach another agency in the Reich Research Council with this request; and I did not do anything nor did I initiat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 961,200 | 961,700 |
institute like the Kaiser Wilhelm Society, there were several institutes here that were subordinated to you. A.No, the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute was a society on a subordinate basis which is not exactly know to me. I have heard on one occasion that it was society of public law. I personally cannot even imagine anything ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 961,650 | 962,150 |
of Germany no preparations at all were to be made in this field and that he was unable to give any infor mation without first having received the authority to do so by his military superiors. Since he had not received this authority and since he was unable to say what the meeting would deal with, he was unable to give ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 962,100 | 962,600 |
course, I did not over know that this person passed or the letter to Sievers. I do not remember quite exactly If I ever did receive those samples. In any * I never used them and it is quite probable that I never received them. However, I cannot say that with absolute certainty. Q.You stated that you did not know Siever... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 962,550 | 963,050 |
do with it and the distributions shows that it was not sent to me either. Q.And you had no knowledge of it whatsoever? A.No. Q.May it please the Tribunal, I shall give you the exhibit number after the recess. With regards to the hepatitis experiments which have been mentioned here, the Prosecution has presented a docum... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 963,000 | 963,500 |
preventative measures could be taken against such an epidemic and, if I remember the correctly Fraulein Eyre has also testified here that she could remember the contents of that correspondence. At least that is what I noted. Presidial Council. And, I did not find out anything at all about these experiments until a late... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 963,450 | 963,950 |
studied it very closely. Q.According to the knowledge which you have at his time, can you deduct from this report that illegal experiments on human beings formed the basis for it? A.No, I cannot do that, even though I know the subject of this trial. Q.This report speaks of the production of a living typhus vaccine. Can... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 963,900 | 964,400 |
things were done by other agencies. Now I want to ask you whether such a connection with other agencies existed which would justify this assumption? A.The indictment mentions a conspiracy on several occasions. I do not know the jurist definition of the word conspiracy but on the basis of human common sense I can state ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 964,350 | 964,850 |
I believe that everybody will be able to confirm that. Where everybody is not exactly acquainted with the conditions that prevailed in Germany during the war -- and that is also for the Prosecution it is very difficult to obtain a clear picture of who was really responsible. I hope that I have succeeded in showing what... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 964,800 | 965,300 |
Mrugowsky as a professor, can that be based on any intervention of any party or SS agency or did any such agency influence his appointment in any way? ANo, no such influence was persued.After Mrugowsky had been dean for about five years, he was appointed professor through the ordinary office for Hygiene in Berlin, as a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 965,250 | 965,750 |
assignment? AI am sure that was true in most cases. QFrom that, one can conclude, therefore, that the research worker, with the help of such assignments could continue his research work, and especially in the field in which he had worked previously? Naturally, I can see individual questions which arose because of the w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 965,700 | 966,200 |
implantation of hormone tablets were we concerned with a method which has to be taken seriously, scientifically speaking? A.Yes. Q.Can you say who at first introduced this method into medical practice? A.According to my opinion this method originated from the USA.At the moment I don't know the name but if I remember co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 966,150 | 966,650 |
army medical inspector, weren't you? A.Yes. Q.In accordance with that, can you confirm in the essential parts the answers which were given to me by Professor Handloser? A.I do not remember the exact wording any longer but I have not noticed that any wrong description was given. Q.First of all, can you confirm it that t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 966,600 | 967,100 |
never occurred during ay three years activity as a dean. But I cannot imagine that a dean who has about 370 lecturers under him in Berlin should be responsible for every ward and every deed which any one of these 370 gentlemen may have spoked or done during their activities. I cannot imagine that. Q.Herr Professor, you... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 967,050 | 967,550 |
twenty subjects, some had to be kept for control, some of the number were injected with gas gangrene and some of the number were infected with something else, how abort it? What would the conclusion be from an experiment limited to twenty persons, Professor? A.Naturally, the experiments numbering small figures are not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 967,500 | 968,000 |
in some sort of academic pursuit at these meetings? You were really trying to work up directives in order that the front line doctors would be advised on how to treat troops, isn't that right? A.No, what we wanted to do was to work out a scientific result of the lectures that were held and the discussions that followed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 967,950 | 968,450 |
in the form of powder or any other form, is not of such great importance. It is important, whether in addition to the local treatment of the wound, sulfonilamide preparation are being taken orally, or are being injected. In any case Gebhardt, according to my opinion, followed the results of his experiments in a very cl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 968,400 | 968,900 |
subjects were women. Would that have disturbed you a little bit or not? A.It wouldn't have been so comfortable but what I thought myself at the time with reference to the question of people who were condembed to death was the possibility of bringing about a chance for their life. I testified to the yesterday. Q.We will... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 968,850 | 969,350 |
were told these thin but I want you to assume that you did know them - that Gebhardt came there and told you the whole story and he marched these five Polish women across the stage before the consulting physician you saw them yourself. I want to know what you would have done under these circumstances? DR.SEIDL (for the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 969,300 | 969,800 |
any co-defendant. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will recess until 1:30 o'clock and then announce its ruling. AFTERNOON SESSION (The hearing reconvened at 1330 hours, 21 February 1947.) THEMARSHAl: Persons in the courtroom will please find their seats. The Tribunal is again in session. DR.SEIDL (Counsel for the Defendant O... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 969,750 | 970,250 |
tell you the names of any of the jurists? AHe did not say famous or well known jurists but he said that the jurist's basis had been clarified and had been decided on. He has not used the word famous jurists, nor has he mentioned any names. QHe did not state who had approved of this procedure, is that right? ANo. QWere ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 970,200 | 970,700 |
to me by the official. That is not a statement of facts but just my personal opinion -an answer which I am just giving to you without having considered it in detail. That is not an answer to the fact or statement with regard to the fact but it is only an opinion on my part. JUDGE SEBRING:Doctor, let us assume that the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 970,650 | 971,150 |
was debated how much sulfamilamide was contained in the blood after a blood test had been made, but I do not know if Professor Gebhardt did that. QAs I recall from your testimony yesterday, you stated that Gebhardt also made a talk on nerve rejuvination experiments; is that right ? AI believe that Keestler was working ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 971,100 | 971,600 |
have treated a number of injured persons and afterwards I would have combined the results, but if then the answer to the question would have been found if a wound should be treated with sulfamilamide or not, I cannot know that ahead of time, because if I know that, I would not have had to ask the examination. QI probab... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 971,550 | 972,050 |
done to the bacteria. These sulfamilamides have quite a different effect. They influence the metabolism of the bacteria without inflicting any considerable harm on the wound cells. They cause some harm, but it is not worth mentioning and then the result at the very best is that the bacteria within the wound can be cons... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 972,000 | 972,500 |
not know him well at all. I knew from the faculty list that there was a lecturer of hygiene by the name of Mrugowsky, and I must have seen him some place or other. When the request came for a hygienist at the University to appoint him as a regular professor; then I had him send his scientific work to me and I perhaps t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 972,450 | 972,950 |
so exactly anymore. QAnd you exercised no functions by virtue of that position? You had no activities whatsoever within the framework of the Reich Research Council? AI have already stated I did not do anything on behalf of the Reich Research Council, but in this morning's session I have given an example that had to tur... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 972,900 | 973,400 |
has already been mentioned here. QAll right. You had a conference then with Schreiber and Breuer of the Reich Research Council. When did this conference take place? AIn this summer of 1944. I would say in the summer of 1944. QHow many such conferences took place? AThere were one or two such discussions, but there were ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 973,350 | 973,850 |
and in this way I have answered the question yesterday, that I consider that it is probably that the Chemical Warfare Agencies were contained in the list. I also say that today and under the same prerequisite I can name the penicillin, the combatting of epidemics and similar matters. All of these things, I believe were... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 973,800 | 974,300 |
or not what they were doing was apt to produce anything worthwhile? A.The decision about it, if something was valuable or not, this was afterwards decided with the other agencies. That is to say, when we had considered these 12 units as important then it was really the branch head and the Commissioner of the Reich Rese... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 974,250 | 974,750 |
want to pursue this too far, professor, but if the Luftwaffe sent an order down to Hagen, who was a consulting hygienist, and said you shall quit working on yellow fever vaccine because it looks like the German Wehrmacht is not going to get into best Africa but we are very much concerned about typhus problems in the Ea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 974,700 | 975,200 |
occupy ourselves with these concrete questions once more. Q.We will return to this point a little later, but for clarity, let's start at the beginning of your position in the Office for Science and Research. How frequent was your contact with Karl Brandt after September 1943? A.That varied. It may have been once per we... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 975,150 | 975,650 |
the clinical point of view as well as possible. Q.Was not the basic principle that of coordination, as it says in these decrees? A.The coordination, as I have already expressed several times here -- That always was caused by the bad economic situation. Q.Didn't it go a bit further than the economic situation? Weren't y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 975,600 | 976,100 |
have that idea or use your influence in that direction? A.I have carried out the idea, as I have already told you, in arranging discussions where scientists who were working in the same field of research were brought together and where they had to listen to lectures, who then had personal discussions and were able to d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 976,050 | 976,550 |
what is contained in his report was generally known. He did not tell anything new to any practitioner or any surgeon. He stated in a report here of a certain protection for the liver which is appropriate in the case of injury; these are facts which even most of the laymen know in Germany today, and no new examinations ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 976,500 | 977,000 |
That office of science and research was set up by Brandt, and I put it to you, that you must have been informed about Brandt's work in science and research, and that by virtue of your job, is that right? A.No, that is a mistake. I did not have to deal with everything that dealt with science and research. I had to do th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 976,950 | 977,450 |
reports published every six months by the Reich Research Council? A.It is quite possible. However, I would like you to consider that I must make my defense here without having any documents to measure it on, without having spoken one word that my collaborators for a period of two years. Therefore, it can perhaps be und... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 977,400 | 977,900 |
please find their seats. The Tribunal is again in session. May it please Your Honors, defendant Oberheuser, having been excused by this Tribunal, is absent for the balance of this afternoon. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the atsence of defendant Oberheuser, pursuant to excuse. PAUL ROSTOC... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 977,850 | 978,350 |
of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in view of the brain research work which was mentioned yesterday already. He was one of the leading men in Germany in this field since Berger had died. Q.Did these requests go out to the universities? A.No. Q.Well, were there any other agencies to which you sent these request other than ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 978,300 | 978,800 |
demonstrated publicly in any way but through little efforts this man and this man would have to be taken out from whatever he was doing. And may I perhaps relate an example to you how this was handled. In Germany some protese for seeing was introduced. That is, in order to enable a blind man to get some view of space. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 978,750 | 979,250 |
numbers 500 to 1000 were less urgent than the numbers 3,000 to 4,000, which perhaps were very important. But that is just an example. Whether Hirth had priority number 4000 I don't know, And if I had found it out at that time, there would have been nothing I could have imagined by it. Perhaps Mr.. Blome or Sievers coul... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 979,200 | 979,700 |
better to have more irons in the fire than only one, he would have approached me too. Now, if I had been convinced that this research work carried on by Haagen was important, then probably I first would have asked him to describe exactly what he was doing. And if this information had been satisfactory for me, then I wo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 979,650 | 980,150 |
of the secretary really is. I think we, who are used to dictating, sometimes underestimate the work of a secretary. Q.Now, do you mean to say that you had these special assignments reported to you and you made a file of them just on the off chance that the Armament Ministry would close down research work by this or tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 980,100 | 980,600 |
working and the field of virus research was perfectly useless information insofar as dealing with the Armament Ministry or anybody else, wasn't it? A.I don't think I understood you correctly. Do you mean that my relationship to the Armament Ministry with regard to virus was without effect? Q.No, I mean that simply havi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 980,550 | 981,050 |
report, where it says, "The anti-infectious effect of dry vaccine will be further experimented on human beings."? A.I have stated that a vaccine is a material which should create an immunity in the human body and I explained that on handovac dry vaccines. further stated that, in the case of typhus, the degree of immuni... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 981,000 | 981,500 |
about it as an expert witness before this Tribunal and I wouldn't like to call myself an expert on typhus questions. If I were to make a statement here, quite rightly an expert could come here and say I was interfering with matters which I had nothing to do with and you will understand that a scientist does not want to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 981,450 | 981,950 |
he had carried out on concentration camp inmates with phosphorous burns to test this drug, wouldn't you? A.I cannot remember any such report. Q.Well, can you state, therefore, that you are sure you didn't receive one? A.I cannot say that for sure but I did not retain it in my memory at any rate. Q.You probably remember... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 981,900 | 982,400 |
whom you understood had been condemned to death but who had been promised leniency if they submitted to the experiments; is that correct? A.Yes. Well, I heard "discussion." By "discussion" we Germans understand two people talking to each other, that is, one person says something and then the other person says something... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 982,350 | 982,850 |
report of the consulting physicians of May, 1942. I don't know the exhibit number; but it was submitted to the Tribunal by the prosecution. Q.Where did you obtain the data and information from which the report was given? Do you recollect it this time? AI know that in the year of 1942 I held a lecture there. Q.Now, then... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 982,800 | 983,300 |
some other agency. He told us that he was authorized. I cannot say whether such a law existed or whether it did not exist. At any rate I do not know of such a law. Q.Do you recollect the words he used in regard to the legality of any such experiment as you have narrated? Can you remember the verbiage he used? A.I don't... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 983,250 | 983,750 |
is something which I do not know. Q.Did you have any understanding as to how it was to be handled in these cases? 3376 A.No, I did not know that. Q.Your understanding was that people who had been condemned to death were to be the experimental subjects, is that correct? A.Yes. Q.Did you understand that any distinction w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 983,700 | 984,200 |
the Tribunal. Mr. McHaney was kind enough to draw my attention to the fact that the witness didn't quite understand one of the questions of Judge Sebring, perhaps because of some misunderstanding. My own observation confirmed his and we are concerned with the following. Judge Sebring asked Rostock Ex. No. 4, Page 7, wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 984,150 | 984,650 |
here, had not even started. According to this list they began in July of 1942. I don't know whether I have answered your question with that. Q.Professor Rostock, do you recollect at this time the date or the **** and year in which this article was published and made available to the medical public in Germany? A.The lec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 984,600 | 985,100 |
a patient from the wound dressing up until ten to fourteen days later and keep him under constant observation. And during these ten to mostly fourteen days the wound development decides itself. Q.Now, Professor, the sulfanilamide experiments of Gebhardt have been rationalized to some extent by the statement that German... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 985,050 | 985,550 |
here? A.I'm sure I didn't express it with these words, but the question of whether to treat wounds surgically or only use powder was a question that was repeatedly contested. Q.Now, you have testified concerning two conferences in 1944 to discuss special research and that Schreiber and Breuer of the Reich Research Coun... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 985,500 | 986,000 |
assignments available came through in detail. Entire list perhaps was discussed. Naturally one of the participants, by way of example, mentioned any particular assignment --- Q.You say you did not go through a large list of research assignments and pick out certain individual ones and designate them as urgent? A.We des... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 985,950 | 986,450 |
took place in the summer of 1944. Is that right? A.Yes. A little before that. Q.What use did you ever make of this card index file of research assignments? A.It didn't really find a proper use. As I said the actual threatened interferences in research activity by the Armament Ministry only came about in the winter and ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 986,400 | 986,900 |
was a physiologist at Frankfurt-on-theMain, who worked on Taslau physiology. Q.Did you know a man named Hildebrandt? A.Here was a surgeon, Hildebrandt. He is dead. He was dead at that time. I don't know anything about him. Q. IHave in mind a pharmacologist at Giessen. A.No, I don't know him. Q.What about Fischbeck? A.I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 986,850 | 987,350 |
he said he was there too. A.Yes, I was there with him at one time. Yes, we looked at the institute where this cyclotron was to be installed. It was in one of the university clinics at Strasbourg. Q.How many visits did you make to Strasbourg to see this? A.I was in Strasbourg once in my entire life. Q. Do you remember t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 987,300 | 987,800 |
The situation was that all these lecturers and scientists were working on a number of problem simultaneously and were helped by assistants and interns and it goes beyond the strength of a human being to try to know all this and keep it in mind. Q.But whether you know his work in detail or not, did you know that it was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 987,750 | 988,250 |
particles is formed which is given to cats to be inhaled. Immediately after the inhalation they are placed in phosgene c.t. about 3000. "RESULTS "1) A cat inhaling aerosol on 3 different days for altogether 8 hours contacted a slight attack of pulmonary edema, survived; the control animal died after 6-7 hours of severe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 988,200 | 988,700 |
them together. We have here the fourth report, and from this, among other things, we are going to see the date, which doesn't appear on some of the other copies of those reports. This fourth report is dated Strassbourg, 11 August 1944; so I think we can probably assume that the fifth, sixth and seventh reports follow t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 988,650 | 989,150 |
slower decrease to values of about 3 to 4 mg.% after 2 to 3 hours and then a slow secretion during 24 hours. Even after one day, traces of hexamethylentetramin can always be found in the blood." "Here, too, the secretion is in proportion to the concentration in the blood. "The diluted solution is out of the question fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 989,100 | 989,600 |
is in the fourth report and it was addressed to the Plenipotentiary of the Fuehrer for Medical and Health matters, Generalarst Proff. Dr. Brandt, Berlin, Ziegelstrasse 5-9, Surgical Clinic of the University, labeled "Top Secret" (Military. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel should have this identified in some manner by some number.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 989,550 | 990,050 |
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