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with this matter. Dr. v. Erlach, who was chairman of the Medical Commission in Germany from the summer of 1940 until the late fall of 1944, knew conditions in Germany. He limits has testimony since he deals only with three nationalities and not the Russians. He says: "The medical care given to the prisoners of war in G... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 855,000 | 855,500 |
favored a medical humane treatment of the Prisoners of War. As a consequence of the development of the war in the direction of a 'total war' in particular, however after Prisoners of War questions came under Himmler's jurisdiction in July 1944, the fate of the Prisoners of War became considerably worse also in its medi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 855,450 | 855,950 |
Because of paragraph 7 of this affidavit, the Prosecution has presented it in the accusation and in the case against Handloser, and paragraph 7 states: "When the sulfanilamide experiment started, I was told by Professor Gebhardt, my military and medical superior, that those experiments were carried out by order of the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 855,900 | 856,400 |
affidavit dated 21 October 1946 must have been based upon a misunderstanding of the facts given by Dr. Fritz Fischer. At any rate, I am not aware of any such order from the Chief of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht, Professor Dr. Handloser. Nor did I discuss it with Professor Dr. Handloser before the beginning of t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 856,350 | 856,850 |
above all, surgery was practiced in special fields, and where special confidence was gained in this field. As far as I can remember and from my memory, I can state that we, in the Wehrmacht, sometimes were really glad that our officers, those included high officers, whose relatives if, for example, they were suffering ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 856,800 | 857,300 |
at all any more. In addition to this, because of the constant air alarms, even if no actual attacks were taking place, there would have been no possibility in Berlin or in its vicinity to hold any meeting there where after all two hundred to three hundred physicians had to be billeted there for a period of two days. Th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 857,250 | 857,750 |
an official capacity. There were a certain number of medical officers from the medical inspectorate of the accomodated; and this number was divided into army, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, the Waffen SS, the labor service; and then it was left to the branches of the Wehrmacht to send whom they wanted to the places which were p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 857,700 | 858,200 |
certain of that. Q.Did anybody make objections then with reference to the lectures by Gebhardt and Fischer? A.As I gather from the report of Dr. Schweiss, speaking on the subject immediately afterwards, and at the conclusion of the sulfanalimide lectures, there were about six or seven, to which those of Gebhardt and Fi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 858,150 | 858,650 |
of the character of Prof. Dr. Handloser I cannot imagine that he ordered or even approved of such experiments." I now request that this affidavit be admitted as Exhibit No. 30, and a further affidavit of the same Professor, in which Dr. Frey deals with the impressions during the lecture by Dr. Gebhardt and Dr. Fisher, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 858,600 | 859,100 |
and these documents reserved until the document is prepared and given to the Prosecution, and the Tribunal, Is counsel advised as to when this Document Book No. 3 will probably be prepared? DR. NELTE:I was told it would be ready by this morning but I guess it was not completed. In the document book there are only four ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 859,050 | 859,550 |
am handing to you does not contain any documents with the exception of DocumentNO-449which mentions your name directly. In the affidavit of Professor Schroeder, N0-449, which is exhibit 130 by Professor Becker-Freyseng certain statements are contained which might give cause to the conclusion as if you had been in some ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 859,500 | 860,000 |
water experiments (No. 5 of my affidavit of 15 October 1946), it becomes evident from Document No. 177 that no representative of the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service or the Army Medical Inspectorate participated in the preliminary conference in 19 May 1944; it further becomes evident from the distribution list th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 859,950 | 860,450 |
can even be concluded in a professional manner. I, therefore, request, and I would be grateful, that an examination by the prison physician be ordered so that I will obtain full clarity as to whether the Defendant Rudolf Brandt is still able to attend the courtroom sessions. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel should make his applic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 860,400 | 860,900 |
Thereupon I signed. I was not given any opportunity later to explain No. 6 cf the affidavit. "On the question of Professor Dr. Handloser's jurisdiction as Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service concerning the research work done by the Luftwaffe, I state: "a) Research performed by the Luftwaffe was not subordinate to th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 860,850 | 861,350 |
it might contribute to the general clarification in this case. May it please the Tribunal, in this connection I only want to refer to DocumentNO-371. This is again an affidavit of the Defendant Rudolf Brandt, which states the following: "Handloser and Schroeder also must have been informed about the fact that Haagen an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 861,300 | 861,800 |
the Defendant Handloser appears and if he had any contact with the Ahnenerbe and with this Institute for Eastern Research. I are now offering Document HA-15 on page 23 of Document Book No. 2. I request that it be admitted as Exhibit 36. Dr. Wolfram Sievers states the following: "The Prosecution submitted my diary 'Ahne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 861,750 | 862,250 |
Weber asked me to inquire at Professor Meyer. As far as I remember, no such letter however, was ever written. "On 2 January the prosecution cited, when reading the document book about hemostat "Polygal", from my diary (Ahnenerbe) one quotation of the 26th and 31st May 1944, regarding a conference with Dr. Grauer of the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 862,200 | 862,700 |
predecessor, Dr. Waldmann and there he was to deal with the medical aspects of bacteriological warfare. QTo whom was Professor Klieve subordinate? AIn his medical activities and as medical officer, he was subordinate to me as the Army Medical Inspector and in his activities as medical consultant and advisor and special... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 862,650 | 863,150 |
no information has ever been available to me, either officially or through other channels, however, since throughout the war it could be seen from the literature of foreign countries that this question played a part in all countries and that on some occasions considerable work was being done in this field, it of course... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 863,100 | 863,600 |
not in favor of this entire type of a bacteriological warfare as a weapon, and that they did not have a very favorable attitude on the subject. I can also remember that on one occasion I went with Klieve to the new chief of the General Staff, Zeissler, who was to be informed about everything and what we were working on... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 863,550 | 864,050 |
and Ministerial Dirigent Schumann also agreed with my opinion. Blome then said that of course he could quite understand our point of view and that now he would have to make a return journey, which would of course take some time. This was regrettable because he also had been informed to the effort that at certain places... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 864,000 | 864,500 |
me. At large intervals then I found out from Klieve that aside from the conferences which took place at Amt Office 9 and which took place at very large intervals that nothing of particular importance had happened there. Q.Have you spoken with Dr. Blome once more no afterwards, or have corresponded, with him on this mat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 864,450 | 864,950 |
Q.Did you belong to the Reich League of Physicians? A.No. Q.Did you belong to any other organization of the Party? A.No. Q.What was your attitude toward the Party, towards the ideology and the effects of National Socialism? A.As I have already stated, I was from 1904 until the end of the war constantly on active milita... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 864,900 | 865,400 |
the Commander-in-Chief had been term into several pieces and now various leaders had obtained control over the different pieces. While I reported in detail to Brauchitsch at least once in two weeks and I could take all my suggestions and fears to him -- I know personally that quite open ly cared for his sick and injure... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 865,350 | 865,850 |
to gain influence and to intervene in the medical field in the sense of drawing it away from the medical profession's rules, as they used to be applied? AIt was not the withdrawal of the medical rules but it was quite a clear procedure that the Party expressed its opinion that our medical replacements received too litt... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 865,800 | 866,300 |
you tell no anything, about the directives and with the spirit with which you wanted to fill the student Medical Corps? AUntil the very last moment, in accordance with our tradition of one hundred and fifty years, we educated our youth, and we have not differed from these old principals one iota. QCan you give us any p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 866,250 | 866,750 |
in your sphere of activity? A.In this connection I should merely like to mention that an attempt was made to interfere with the use of Catholic nurses in our hospital. Repeatedly it was demanded that these nurses be dismissed, and they be substituted by nurses from the Red Cross or the National Socialist nursing associ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 866,700 | 867,200 |
or in their entirety participate in any way in the excesses which took, place on the 1st of April, 1933, or whether they participated in my way in the combating of the all physicians organizations. A.I know of no case and no case was ever mentioned either before the War nor during the entire War. Q.That is to say, the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 867,150 | 867,650 |
has an opportunity and takes an opportunity to try to get insight into these meeting reports, will too be completely convinced that therein the serious work in the scientific field of all the German physicians is laid down, opinions that were represented by leading authorities from all territories of Germany. I refer y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 867,600 | 868,100 |
which will become Exhibit 26 and the exhibit of Prof. Randerath HA-43, exhibit 32. I finally submit as HA-1, and exhibit 40, an exerpt from the judgment of the International Military Tribunal, regarding, the question of conspiracy and criminal organizations. This is not an evident document. I merely ask you to take not... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 868,050 | 868,550 |
ask the High Tribunal to help me in the matter of my witnesses, Schmidt-Bruecken and Hartleben. Although the Marshal told no a few days age, and gave me a letter from which it would appear that these witnesses were here, I have not yet had an opportunity to speak to these witnesses. I was told that they are not here at... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 868,500 | 869,000 |
in your support? THE WITNESS:I may say that "SS Sisters" is not correct. It is "NS-National Socialist Sisters." It was a National Socialist Nursing Association which has really nothing to do with SS. I cannot say in this special case in what manner Brandt could give me support. During another examination I think a docu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 868,950 | 869,450 |
and technical superiors. Q.What kind of superiors are you speaking of when you say technical superiors? A.With regard to the technical superiors, there were two possibilities; either he was superior in every respect, as I read to you before, where he at the same time is the troop commander and at that time he becomes t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 869,400 | 869,900 |
about any of the counts as charged by the prosecution before May 8th, 1945 or did you have any written or other communications directly or indirectly with him? A.No. Q.Did you at any time see the Defendant Rose participate in any conferences where the counts as charged in the indictment were discussed or reported? A.No... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 869,850 | 870,350 |
same home territory, so you have to consider that, and if you also consider the differences of rank it could be quite possible that an older and recognized physician, although he may have a lower rank from the beginning, that he would be confronted with a younger physician who started his career in the Army earlier and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 870,300 | 870,800 |
Rose held lectures in the neutral countries abroad, Switzerland and Turkey, wherein he described the progress in detail which was made in Germany in the field of combat of typhus and malaria? A.Yes, I remember that. Q.Do you further know that professor Rose explained his attitude by saying that according to his opinion... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 870,750 | 871,250 |
admit that by virtue of your position as army physician and army medical inspector, you had complete command and control over the Army Medical Service, the Sanitaetsdienst and the Sanitaetswesen, is that right? AYes. I was the head of the medical system of the army and the superior of the entire medical personnel. QAnd... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 871,200 | 871,700 |
vaccine, and as far as I remember, it has also made experiments on animals in order to be able to cut down the percentage of the vaccine and thus to obtain a larger amount. QDid you ever visit the Institute OKH at Limberg? AIn 1939 I visited the Institute at Krakow, and in 1941 or 1942 I have also visited the Institute... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 871,650 | 872,150 |
into evidence, and I am asking you some questions about your duties as contained in that service regulation, and I will ask you to give an answer now to the question I put to you. AThe tasks of the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service generally referred to, what you have mentioned, the coordination of those--also in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 872,100 | 872,600 |
which you do have of 7 August 1944. DR. NELTE:Mr. President, may it please the Tribunal, I request a ruling of the Tribunal, if it is admissible, that the service regulations of 1944 are present in the service regulations of 1942, if the service regulations of 1942 are not given to the defendant. If there is a comparis... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 872,550 | 873,050 |
medical service is the adviser of the chief of the OKW in all questions pertaining to the service of the Wehrmacht and the other organizations." That is the text as it is already contained in the service regulation of 1938 or 1940 for the army medical inspector. QNow, General, we aren't interested in what was contained... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 873,000 | 873,500 |
or fundamental events? AWell, I would have to ask you to hand over the decree to me. I cannot state that without it. QBut, General, you've seen this decree I guess a dozen times already and you operated under it for about four years. Did you as a matter of fact report to Karl Brandt on fundamental events in the medical... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 873,450 | 873,950 |
General, this is all very sad that you haven't been able to find all these documents that you'd like to have; but both the defense and the prosecution are laboring under some of those same difficulties. I am just trying to get a little information from you here about what you were doing as chief of the medical services... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 873,900 | 874,400 |
in Paragraph 1 of the Fuehrer decree. QYou didn't have any power to issue orders to Hippke and Schroeder before 7 August, 1944, is that what you want to say? ABefore 1944 I did not have authority to issue orders. QBefore 7 August, 1944? AYes. QWell did you have any power to issue general instructions which would be bin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 874,350 | 874,850 |
Medical General. Handloser who had previously been on an equal basis with me as medical inspector for the army, now when he also took on the new task, he became my superior." And then the further question was put to Hippke: "Well, could he give you orders? What do you mean by the word "superior"?" And I know you will b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 874,800 | 875,300 |
was an Inspector of the Infantry, of the Artillery, and also an Army Medical Inspector. In the course of the years this could not be changed in spite of the title, although the title did not apply. QWith respect to your medical duties as Chief of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht, was Karl Brandt your technical supe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 875,250 | 875,750 |
I am asking you to draw a conclusion. Isn't it true, with respect to your functions outlined in this First Fuehrer Decree, that Karl Brandt was your superior? A.I have always refuted this concept. Q.Well, if he wasn't your superior, exactly what relationship did he have to you? A.I turned to him whenever I believed tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 875,700 | 876,200 |
regard to the innoculation as far as this refers to typhus, para-typhus, and cholera. I have further directed coordination of the Scientific Senate conference which dealt with general vaccination against dysentery. Aside of that I cannot name any other precise case in that connection. Q.Can you give us the dates on whi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 876,150 | 876,650 |
continued to be President after 7 August 1944, didn't you? A.The Senate was not called since the year 1942. Q.That isn't what I asked you. I asked you if it isn't a fact that you continued to be President of the Scientific Senate of the Medical Services of the Wehrmacht after 7 August 1944 as it states in the Service R... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 876,600 | 877,100 |
his work to this question of chemical delousing, which had assumed some new aspects. QNow, you have admitted that on a problem like vaccines you, as Chief of the Medical Services of the Wehrmacht, had the power to establih a uniform practice in the Wehrmacht, for example, as to the types and times of vaccination. Didn'... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 877,050 | 877,550 |
person in the Navy. However, the offers usually came from the branches of the Wehrmacht. QAll right. Now, the Navy, or rather, the Luftwaffe, has decided, since you think you want a talk on malaria, that they will send Professor Rose. What does the Luftwaffe then do about that? Do they send in a short synopsis of what ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 877,500 | 878,000 |
What has he been doing in typhus research? Who is Ding anyway? What can he tell us about typhus?" Doesn't somebody ask those questions? A.I was not asked any such questions. Q.Doesn't your program chairman inquire into the qualifications in the work which a proposed lecturer has done? A.The working staff contacted the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 877,950 | 878,450 |
General. I just want to ask you now then, I assume that you did not read the summary of the report made by Ding at the meeting of your consulting physicians in May, 1943. You didn't read that? A.I have read the report by Ding here. Q.But you didn't read it after it was published sometime in 1943? A.I cannot remember it... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 878,400 | 878,900 |
in May, 1943, and that you had designated typhus and typhus vaccines as one of the matters to be discussed, and that the Waffen-SS suggested the name of Dr. Ding. You have already testified you had never heard of Dr. Ding. I am asking you what you would have done with respect to including Dr. Ding on the program to lec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 878,850 | 879,350 |
or dog lungs in a much more productive manner. Apart from that Mr. Eyer increased his production in such a manner, which was greatly to my satisfaction; that considering the progress we made in the program of delousing, these questions, which you have just mentioned, were not of such a primary interest as you tried to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 879,300 | 879,800 |
was written in a paper where one could understand it, which is not a medical journal, but a general knowledge journal, and I think it is written in such a manner that it gives complete and excellent information about the situation. It is not a subjectively written report, and it is not a report made by a general medica... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 879,750 | 880,250 |
asked him whether it would not be right if the Wehrmacht was represented there. He at that time was of the same opinion and made that application. He repeated it at a later date, but this application was rejected. The reason was given that the individual expert departments were all covered by experts, that Field Marsha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 880,200 | 880,700 |
right or the left hand -- a man cannot cut himself into two parts, but some personalities can keep these two things apart quite well. For Schreiber this no doubt meant a recognition of his efforts as an expert, being incorporated into the Reich Research Council as a representative for the combatting of epidemics. He em... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 880,650 | 881,150 |
anybody's attention? After all, they were not of any use to the Reich Research Council itself. A.Well, I don't know how far the Reich Research Council progressed with its intended work. There were many institutions which were thrown up, but you never heard anything further from them. I can only say that I personally re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 881,100 | 881,600 |
the presiding council, it seems to follow to call the Chief of the Medical Service of the Army-General-oberstabsarzt Prof. Dr. Handloser - also into the presiding council, in compliance with the decree of the Fuehrer concerning the Medical and Health Service, dated 28 July 1942 (Reich - Law- Publication 87/42). "(2) Re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 881,550 | 882,050 |
Schreiber, that he was suggested as a member for the field of military medicine. QVery well, do you mean to say that Military Medicine was not represented on the Reich Research Council? AMilitary Medicine was not represented at all, later. He was merely responsible for the special field of combat of epidemics. QI'm ask... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 882,000 | 882,500 |
channels this came about I can't say but, at any rate, it was not through military channels. QWell, when did Schreiber become a member of the Reich Research Council? AThe change of the Reich Research Council took place about the end of 1942, but I think I heard here that in 1943, the Reich Research Council reactivated ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 882,450 | 882,950 |
that occasion "Yes, I am in full agreement. Send somebody there." It is quite a matter of course that we send some of the people who know something about cold because they were interested in it. QWell, having sent them, you then immediately lost interest in the problem, I suppose? ANo, I did not lose interest.At some p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 882,900 | 883,400 |
population was informed that a frozen person should not be rewarmed very quickly. Even before that we included in our regulations that one should concentrate on rewarming and certain forms of rewarming were described. If we army people who knew frontal territory and Russia, were not so impressed by this warm bath, as y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 883,350 | 883,850 |
precautionary measures." A.May I ask you where it is stated that is in reference to the lecture by Holzloehner? It seems to be within time framework of the cold problem. Q.General, I will put the German to you so that you can see for yourself. General, let us read the little summary of the speech by Holzloehner because... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 883,800 | 884,300 |
was no cause to suspect anything special behind this. Q.Was it apparent to you that he carried out experiments on human beings? A.No. Q.Well, General, we have heard some testimony here about the talk Holzloehner gave in Nurnberg two months before this and as I recall, there was some indignation in this meeting in Octob... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 884,250 | 884,750 |
or form discuss with his client the matters about which he has already been interrogated, or in any way coach him on subjects which may come up. I don't mean by that to bar him from discussing any of the subjects, which I will interrogate him about, that is typhus or anything like that, but if he wants to discuss with ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 884,700 | 885,200 |
problem of all branches of the Wehrmacht, requiring a coordinated and planned direction? AThe question never confronted me. QWell, whether it confronted you or not, wasn't the utilization of material and personnel in the field of medical research a common problem of all branches of the Wehrmacht? AThe personnel was dis... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 885,150 | 885,650 |
of the medical service of the Wehrmacht? AYes, it was in all the fields where this was required and necessary. QGeneral, did you have any interest in the treatment of wounds cause by gas of various types? AOf course I was interested. QWhat research was done, to your knowledge, on this question? AIn the Wehrmacht we had... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 885,600 | 886,100 |
testify in your behalf? A.I have not had Wirth called here. Q.The name is Wirth. A.Yes, Wirth. I have not had Wirth called here. Q.And you don't know him? A.Of course I know him. I have known him for years. He was a specialist in the Military Medical Academy. Q.That is what I am trying to get at. Will you tell us what ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 886,050 | 886,550 |
about the session, which is mentioned in the document, nor can I tell you the reasons for it. Q.Does it strike you as a little strange that one of the officers in the Army Medical Inspectorate would be recommending experiments on concentration camp inmates unless he knew that practice was approved by his superiors? A.I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 886,500 | 887,000 |
the ring also included Gutzeit and Dohmen and also Hagen. I know that especially between Hagen and Dohmen difficulties existed, probably also in the conference of the German Society for Internal Medicine October 1943 in Vienna, it was not the Military conference. For this reason it was without any doubt a success on th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 886,950 | 887,450 |
variety of scientists present, one of the scientists still disputed with the other if this was the cause at all. I can tell you further that I did not even know anything about the fact, that I was never told, that Gutzeit had carried out an experiment on himself. I can explain the fact in the way that we had not yet su... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 887,400 | 887,900 |
prisoners were discussed. I have seen the Polish women here and I have also seen the scars. That is the subsequent result. However I cannot state exactly what was done to them and the explanation was not given by Dr. Alexander here. He has only given a diagnosis and if I were to tell you what I think about these experi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 887,850 | 888,350 |
by that and that is that the lecturer was pointing out that they had trouble getting gas gangrene infections they had trouble making them "take." Now what other conclusion can be drawn? AWell I cannot draw that conclusion from it because that is a discussion between two people and one person refers to his experiments a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 888,300 | 888,800 |
presented here, that this was a conference of 12 different specialist groups, and that the individual specialist groups had individual meetings and that it would have been completely impossible to be in 12 different places at the same time. I have stated under ?ath on various occasions here that I did not attend the co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 888,750 | 889,250 |
and the consulting physicians were constantly and at all times trying to find a solution to all the question which had still remained open, in order to help all the wounded. QGeneral, that makes what we are talking about the same thing. Did the Army Medical Inspectorate issue instructions on a piece of paper to the phy... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 889,200 | 889,700 |
since 1943 was that several dozen leading scientist could read and that they could consult about these instructions which were issued here. Neither I nor normally people of my staff participated during this conference, but the procedure was that on the very last day before this meeting was disbanded, the 12 or 14 diffe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 889,650 | 890,150 |
Then it is called gas burn or gas edema. It is one of the most feared complications which we can find in the field after injuries and the mortality rate of such people is terrifyingly high. Furthermore, this disease is very often characterized by the fact that the surgeon is forced, in order to try to save the life of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 890,100 | 890,600 |
take part in euthanasia with phenol in a concentration camp and to describe the result in detail, since neither I nor Mrugowsky ever saw a case of death through phenol." Q.Did Schreiber over tell you anything about that? A.No. Q.Schreiber didn't tell you very much about anything, did he? A.Schreiber reported very much ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 890,550 | 891,050 |
them? How do you explain that he knew about those experiments and you didn't? AI can explain this in this way that Keitel was in the Fuehrer's headquarters, that he has heard some reports or that he heard about some reports which did not come to my knowledge--I was not in the Fuehrer's headquarters--that the circle in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 891,000 | 891,500 |
you or Schreiber? AWell, that may have been Klieve, for example. Klieve may have said that is completely out of the question for us, and I could imagine that there were laboratories without any clinical contacts at all. All this has been put together, and actually they are only laboratories which work on the reactions ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 891,450 | 891,950 |
was the reason for desiring to test this vaccine? AI really cannot tell you that because as far as I was informed, it was a vaccine which had already been tested and which was really dependable, and I was very much surprised to see that there was a subsequent experimentation with it. I cannot explain this myself. QWell... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 891,900 | 892,400 |
civilian sector, and I think it was Conti, of the large losses of material regarding eggs and I remember the number of fifty or more per cent in that connection. At that time I already stated in Oberursel at the time when I didn't know everything that I know now I didn't know what it was really all about - that I had n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 892,350 | 892,850 |
the time it took place and I have already testified here that, naturally, conferences took place about the typhus and vaccine question. When the interrogator at Oberursel asked me directly whether it couldn't be possible that I had spoken to Mrugowsky and that such a conference had taken place I told him that I was qui... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 892,800 | 893,300 |
contact took place perhaps in Berlin but I think it was more probable that it was at the Headquarters. QHow many times did you have contact with Mrugowsky? AI only got into personal contact with him during 2 larger conferences which took place in the latter years where the question was general vaccine measures for the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 893,250 | 893,750 |
played a part before 1943. QBut what was the subject of your conference at which Mrugowsky was in attendance that you have mentioned? AI cannot tell you that. I must repeat that so many conferences took place in the front and at home about various things that it is quite impossible for me that I could precisely tell yo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 893,700 | 894,200 |
the Ministry of the interior, I can't tell you. QWell he was probably subordinated to Conti as Secretary of State for Health, wasn't he? AYes, to the Reich Minister of the Interior, and since this was a medical agency, the Reich Health Office and, I should think, that he was subordinated to the entire State Secretary o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 894,150 | 894,650 |
of the winter of 1941 and 1942, and when beyond that any vaccine was discussed, it could only have been a question of the Otto vaccine. I myself has heard of this vaccine. I had often discussed this vaccine with Schreiber whereas the other vaccines which came into appearance later and are being mentioned here were of n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 894,600 | 895,100 |
been one person or one agency which concerned itself with the production of typhus vaccine, who saw that it was produced, and who saw that it was collected to the proper places. Now, I get some confused picture from you about two institutes of the OKH at Krakow and Lemberg under the jurisdiction of you in the Army. The... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 895,050 | 895,550 |
Hygiene Institute of the University of Berlin which was Professor Zeiss; in addition, at the Acid Works and at the Behring Works, and other vaccines came from the Saechsische Serum Works, and I don't think I forgot anything. These were the agencies which were obliged to deliver these things to the Wehrmacht, and that, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 895,500 | 896,000 |
vaccinations had to be made, which perhaps extended to a large proportion. I cannot tell you that. Q.General, I don't think you answered the question. I asked you if is not a fact that you or agencies under your control had complete authority and power over the allocation of typhus vaccines by whomever manufactured Rob... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 895,950 | 896,450 |
never had any discussions with him about vaccines. Q.Is it not true that certain German hygienists held the view that the effectiveness of typhus vaccines could not be established in advance through animal experiments because about forty percent of the animals have the power of resistance and will not get sick although... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 896,400 | 896,900 |
to hear about the tests that were carried one to determine the effectiveness of this egg yolk vaccine. AI have already said that for some -- and I cannot tell you for how long -- and I believe I said that in Oberursel, too, the report came along that this vaccine had been committed and had proved itself to be good and ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 896,850 | 897,350 |
Something was published about that in tho press, and I think some extensive article appeared at a later date about it. I am quite sure that I and Schreiber, too, had the impression that the question of the effectiveness of the egg yolk vaccine could be assumed as having been confirmed. Whether and how far we were calme... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 897,300 | 897,800 |
Q.Did he ever do anything on typhus? A.I cannot tell you that. I personally never got into contact with Bieber. At the moment I couldn't tell you when I saw him or when I spoke to him. I only know Bieber because of his name which does not exclude the possibility that I met him or spoke to him, but I had no personal or ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 897,750 | 898,250 |
physical condition; and among other things he has ordered that he be given additional food and also has ordered that he rest. Rudolf Brandt feels very much exhausted by this morning's session and therefore requests that he be excused immediately following the afternoon recess. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal has before it n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 898,200 | 898,700 |
during the past few months. At any rate the OKH has repeatedly been asked for typhus vaccine. On account of the requirements of the OKH itself, this request could be met only in part. As far as it is possible to judge the development of the epidemic, it is to be expected that the demand will continue to exist in the fu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 898,650 | 899,150 |
of Weigl vaccine? A.I cannot tell you that at the present time. Maybe I am mistaken. Perhaps they have only produced this vaccine from chicken eggs but I stated I thought they were producing both; that in the very beginning produced Weigl vaccine. I cannot say for certain, that is only an assumption on my part. I can o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 899,100 | 899,600 |
I cannot say that any more. However, he was dealing with medical matters. I, therefore, assumed that he may have been with the Department for Health Leadership. Q.Did he have anything to do with typhus, for example? A.Not expressively. He handled everything connected with health measures and health guidance. He was a m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 899,550 | 900,050 |
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