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an obligation to report? AYes, naturally. QTherefore I can conclude from your statements that the interests of the individual under certain circumstances must be subordinated to the interests of the public? AYes. QWitness, today several documents were presented to you about drinking water experiments and food and the t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 765,000 | 765,500 |
of such an experiment the danger and other considerations are not even considered. QWere the experiments which were carried out or suggested with regard to concentrated food important experiments? AThey were important experiments which were not in any way dangerous. They actually meant the contrary. The ration containe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 765,450 | 765,950 |
as "compulsory reporting of diseases in hospitals". I believe it will suffice for me to point out that this has been a misunderstanding. THE PRESIDENT:Is that in one of the documents, or in the witness's testimony? DR. SERVATIUS:This term was probably misunderstood by the interpreter. THE PRESIDENT:My question for info... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 765,900 | 766,400 |
Exhibit 5, documentNO-081- that is Exhibit 6, and document N0-082 - which is Exhibit 7. BY DR. SERVATIUS: Q.Witness, will you now state your view with regard to the decrees, first of all with regard to the first decree. What was the purpose of this first decree? A.The purpose of the first decree was to appoint a Commis... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 766,350 | 766,850 |
only know that they were in the fields of the Medical Services or that they were connected with this field. Q.Now, give us the reasons for the second decree, and what is its importance? A.In the year 1944 the Fuehrer wanted a considerable extension of the authority of Dr. Brandt for the fulfillment of the task which ha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 766,800 | 767,300 |
of Interior what was the superior of the Chief of the Medical Service. Q.Witness, you are speaking of the right to issue directives. Did the first and second decrees already issued give such authority to issue directives or was this given only in the third decree? A.Please permit me to look at the decree for a minute. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 767,250 | 767,750 |
know about that. Q.When did you first hear about this? A.I heard of it for the first time in the year 1939, in the fall of that year. In the fall of 1939, it may have been at the end of September of the beginning of October, the State Secretary Dr. Conti, the Chief of the Civil Medical Service in the Reich Ministry of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 767,700 | 768,200 |
were any other names mentioned. The discussion only referred to the general solution of the problem and, immediately following the discussion, I told Dr. Conti I would think over this matter once more and that I would contact him later. I then began to draft a law which, as I imagined, would contain the legal guarantee... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 768,150 | 768,650 |
anything more about the subject. QAt that time, during the discussion which you had with him, did the Fuehrer mention the name of Professor Brandt? AThat name was not mentioned. QWitness, when did you hear of the authority which actually was given to Brandt and Bouhler? AI was not informed about the authority which had... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 768,600 | 769,100 |
me and I took them to the Fuehrer and then passed them on for further handling to the Reich Minister of the Interior. You have these complaints here in the form of documents and they have been presented to me in previous interrogations. QWitness, what did the Reich Minister of Justice do then? Did he consider the matte... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 769,050 | 769,550 |
o'clock. THE PRESIDENT:Upon request of Defendant Oberheuser extended through her counsel, the defendant may be excused from attendance in the court for reasons of her health at 3 o'clock this afternoon. Counsel may proceed with the examination of the witness. HANS HEINRICHLAMMERS -- Resumed. EXAMINATION BY DR. FROESCHM... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 769,500 | 770,000 |
were things which I as a witness under oath, testifying to facts, those are things about which I can say nothing. Q.Witness, do you have any indications, any reasons to share this opinion which I have just expressed? A.At the moment I could not give any indication. Q.Did you have the impression, witness, that Hitler wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 769,950 | 770,450 |
AThan the date of the signature. QI merely wanted to ask you when in the summer of 1939, or in August 1939, Adolf Hitler might have given Reichsleiter Bouhler the assignment to introduce Euthanasia for uncurably insane persons. AI know nothing about that. QDo you know that Martin Bormann heard about this and tried to a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 770,400 | 770,900 |
testified before, and talked to me about what was to be done about the information received, that was the first time I had seen it. It did not go through my hands, but today I cannot say with certainty whether I saw the original or whether I saw a copy. QWitness, you just said that a person who did not have the necessa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 770,850 | 771,350 |
counsel? (No reply.) Prosecution may proceed to cross examine. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. HARDY: QDr. Lemmers, do you still have the three decrees, the Fuehrer decrees, concerning Karl Brandt's appointment as a General Commissioner before you? AI do not have the decrees. (Documents handed to witness.) QWitness, you say t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 771,300 | 771,800 |
witness, as I understand it you were chief of the Reich Chancellery. Now, in that position you were considered to be a so-called link between the Fuehrer and all the Reich ministers, is that correct? AYes, unless there were express exceptions. QNow, isn't it true that your duties dealt mostly with the legislation of no... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 771,750 | 772,250 |
First, it was said that under certain conditions the life unworthy to live of German insane persons can be removed. The, as I had intended it---these were only my ideas--then there was to be a provision that the severe diseases were listed from the medical point of view. A paragraph was to be added establishing general... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 772,200 | 772,700 |
to pass such a law. But I did not reach any decision on this basic question. I did not want to, I could not; and I did not have to. I was convinced that if this draft is submitted and distributed to all the Ministers -- this took fifty to sixty copies -- then the objection to this measure will be so strong that this me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 772,650 | 773,150 |
question on this number 1 which affects the Wehrmacht Medical Service. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel may propound the question. EXAMINATION BY DR. NELTE: Q.Mr. Lammers, in the creation of the OKW on the 4th of February 1938; that is,when the powers of this OKW were formulate, you were present as chief of the Reich Chancellery?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 773,100 | 773,600 |
Viktor Brack. I have one question arising from the examination by the Prosecution. May I ask it? THE PRESIDENT:Counsel may propound the question. EXAMINATION BY DR. FROESCHMANN: QWitness, do you remember that at the end of 1940 or the beginning of '41 the Defendant Brack called on you at your office and that you told h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 773,550 | 774,050 |
and I put the question to him was it his opinion. THE PRESIDENT:The objection is overruled. The witness may state his opinion on the question propounded to him. MR. HARDY:The witness has answered the question, your Honor. I have no further questions to put to this witness. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. SERVATIUS: QWitnes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 774,000 | 774,500 |
Prosecution for the same reason has asked the witness about the significance of these decrees. The Prosecution in view of the legal knowledge of the witness considered this question justified. I believe that the Tribunal will have to change its previous ruling, since what has been granted to the Prosecution may also be... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 774,450 | 774,950 |
Berlin. In 1934 I became a regular Professor for Internal Medicine at the University of Breslau and became director there of the medical university clinic where I had formerly worked as assistant. I held this position until Breslau was evacuated in January, 1945. QWitness, during the war you were consulting physician o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 774,900 | 775,400 |
from scratch. He tried by means of animal experiments, from certain secretions of the patient, to cultivate the germ in the animal. It was necessary first of all to find the right animals in which these germs could be cultivated and finally it was possible to transfer the germs to the animal, to inject the animal, that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 775,350 | 775,850 |
that time. In view of the urgency of the problem Hepatitis was an important problem because we had no way of preventing it, to reduce the incidents of the disease, and we had no way of combating the disease with any specific drugs. QNow, did Professor Brandt do anything in the way of research; did he appear in the fiel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 775,800 | 776,300 |
is not dangerous. Like all other vaccines, a vaccine which might be developed against hepatitis could have some slight unimportant reactions at the spot where the vaccination is performed. QTherefore you consider it impossible that fatalities could occur? ANo, I cannot imagine that. DR. SERVATIUS:Then I do not have any... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 776,250 | 776,750 |
located. Furthermore, consulting physicians were used for the support of the physician in charge. QDid these consulting physicians have a certain military rank? AThat was not the case.Acertain grade had been provided for the consulting physicians in question. However, he was only able to reach this grade when they had ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 776,700 | 777,200 |
were also utilized at the front and that more extensive problems were utilized at home? AThat is correct. QHow do you know that the army medical regulations have contained the fact that the consulting physicians, and this is the technical expression-- since the question of the establishment of groups plays a certain ro... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 777,150 | 777,650 |
QNone of them were classified secret. I only wanted to ask because I thought you might be able to know. Under consideration of the circumstances as they existed in Germany at that time, do you consider these conferences as a necessary institution? AI am of the conviction that they were. It was the best way in order to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 777,600 | 778,100 |
cause of the disease, for example, food poisoning, climatic influence, bad conditions of drinking water, and other facts, were not the cause if this disease. I saw in the course of time that the disease could be carried from one human being to the next and that this disease belonged in the group of so-called infectious... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 778,050 | 778,550 |
in this case I only want to point out the necessity for a correction of the transcript. MR. McHANEY:May it please the Tribunal, I take it that General Taylor is permitted to say what he will in his opening statement and it is the func tion of the Prosecution in this case to try to prove his statements. I don't think it... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 778,500 | 779,000 |
As has already been stated in one letter, in some places the disease rate re***ed 50% to 60% of the workers or the soldiers in the companies. In the year 1940, I, myself, have seen 95 Morroccans in a French field hospital - that was three-fourths of an entire company. In a prisoner of war camp in Pomerania, where Engli... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 778,950 | 779,450 |
beginning of the war and according to the literature which we were able to receive from abroad during the war, the foreign countries did not have any other methods of treatment and protection then we had at the beginning of the war. Even during the war, as far as I know, no specific therapy and no specific protection w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 779,400 | 779,900 |
does not have any number. Yes, it is Document book No. 8, page 11. There you will find the letter which I have just mentioned. MR. HARDY:It is Exhibit 193. THE PRESIDENT:The examination of this witness will take how much longer? DR.NElTE: It will take a little more time. Mr. President, this is one of the most important... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 779,850 | 780,350 |
carried than out, but punctures of the liver were performed in individual field hospitals. This was a method - a technique, which had been developed by two Danish authorities, Roholm and Iverson. For this puncture of the liver hepatitis could not be treated, however, it could be determined what damages the liver had su... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 780,300 | 780,800 |
advised as to the status of these witnesses. The Tribunal will inquire into the matter but that is, of course a matter for the security officer in charge to determine. The Tribunal will inquire as to the situation. Proceed with the examination of the witness: KURT GUTZEIT -- Resumed. EXAMINATION (Continued) BY DR. NOLT... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 780,750 | 781,250 |
the disease of the animal has been caused by bacteria which is harmless to human beings. Then, in the course of the discussion at Breslau which was presided over by Generalarzt Schreiber, Schreiber suggested or ordered that the individual research men and authors should form and follow certain procedures of work, in or... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 781,200 | 781,700 |
the small pos vaccine. Since it was not absolutely certain that the bacteria were completely non-virulent it therefor could not cause the infection. It could have happened that in the course of this vaccination, in one or some other case, the real infection still could have occurs in the form of a very weak and very li... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 781,650 | 782,150 |
be cleared to some extent so that the individual and separate rooms first of all had to be prepared. This experiment was to be carried out during the holidays, during th3 academic vacation which was between the middle of August and the middle of September. Since I had students and medical students at my disposal I had ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 782,100 | 782,600 |
by Oberstabsarzt Doctor Dohmen within the Research Laboratory of the Army Medical Inspectorate, and with the cooperation of Robert Koch Institute, in conformity with results obtained by other German Scientists. This research has led to the discovery that infectious Jaundice is not caused by bacteria but by a virus. In ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 782,550 | 783,050 |
prisoners who had been placed at his disposal, in the some way as this was also carried out in field hospitals and hospitals, in the case of people who are suspected of having Jaundice and those who have had it already. Then he also carried out preventitive infections of the liver by use of vitamins, which is also a co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 783,000 | 783,500 |
and when typhus made its appearance for the first time, only a certain period of time passed until technically sufficient vaccine was produced in order to innoculate all the troops in all the units. Q.Did you at any time receive an order to carry out research with regard to typhus? A.No. Q.Did Prof. Handloser ever make... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 783,450 | 783,950 |
a soldier, as a physician, and as a human being. A.In my opinion, judging Professor Handloser as a clinical man, he was not only a soldier. I cannot judge the qualifications of a soldier because I have always worked in civilian life and because I have not been an active soldier, but I have always belonged to the reserv... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 783,900 | 784,400 |
in a professional way where problems, professional medical problems, would be discussed between you, as often as once a week for example? AThere were no regular meetings, it was done in such a way that whenever a medical necessity appeared within the Army, Professor Handloser called me and then in accordance with my du... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 784,350 | 784,850 |
which is a long period too, and I cannot state now in numbers just how many times I saw him, but in the course of the three years, of course, I had frequent opportunity to have such discussions with him. DR. NELTE:I do not have any further questions. ATTORNEYFLEMING: (Counsel for the Defendant Mrugowsky) BY DR. FLEMING... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 784,800 | 785,300 |
that at the time Dohmen was recommended by Gildemeister as somebody who was acquainted with hepatitis research and I have stated earlier that in the course of the clinic work with reward to hepatitis, the necessity had resulted to appoint a physician who was acquainted with virus research in order to find the cause for... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 785,250 | 785,750 |
and Hogen also attended this conference. After the conference Hogen ordered Dohmen to hand over his cultures to him so that he likewise could carry out such experiments. At the time Dohmen felt toward Hogen exactly the same way toward Grawitz. He refused to turn over the cultures to him in order to avoid putting the ma... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 785,700 | 786,200 |
about the execution of such experiments. Q.You have previously stated, Professor about the intended human experiments which were planned at Breslau. What else do you know about hepatitis experiments on human beings? A.I know only of two experiments. One was carried out in 1942 by assistants of my clinic. In these exper... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 786,150 | 786,650 |
the stamp "No objection from a medical point of view". There is a signature, i.a. Poppendick - by order of Poppendick, is that correct? AYes. QWell, is that thesis a typical report as it is made to a superior agency or does it have the form of a publication in a professional periodical AIt has the form of a publication... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 786,600 | 787,100 |
suspicion that criminal experiments are being described in that thesis? AI don't think that is possible. QThank you, I have no further question. ABecause in that thesis you can, at no passage, find that there is any artificial epidemic in question. It says here "typhus research with acridin" and then it further says "w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 787,050 | 787,550 |
quite say that. Q.More or less? Witness, I am simply asking you how many times do you estimate that you saw Handloser in the course of a year 5, 10, 15, or 30 times? That isn't too difficult to remember, is it? A.I should say that I met him 10 times a year, but it may well have been 13 or 14 or 15 times; I am sure that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 787,500 | 788,000 |
exploited and used. The selection of certain drugs was dealt with by me by request of the Reich Research Council. Q.Now these various research tasks that were assigned to you-were they assigned to you by Professor Dr. Rostock of the Reich Research Council? A.Research assignments were not received by me from the Reich R... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 787,950 | 788,450 |
no pain, but after a certain period of time, as I said, six to eight weeks, they are completely restored to health. QDoes it not often cause severe damage to the liver? AThat was a belief which was held before the war. Such cases occurred before the war sparadically, that is singly. In the case of these single diseases... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 788,400 | 788,900 |
and which may have been caused by food poisoning or other poisons. During the war we learned that the infectious disease leaves no damage to the liver. That is the result of a number of liver punctures as they were performed in a number of cases. They were performed in order to be able to tell the patient concerned, wi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 788,850 | 789,350 |
the document Dr. Nelte exhibited to you this morning? That is the letter from Grawitz to Himmler requesting permission to conduct these hepatitis experiments on human beings. These innoculations were to be made from virus cultures, and death cases were to be anticipated? AI can only explain it by thinking that Grawitz,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 789,300 | 789,800 |
basically different, for instance if typhus diseased persons contract diptheria, which happens on numerous occasions, then this additional contraction of diptheria, this additional infection practically means a death sentence for the person concerned, whereas in the case of jaundice it is entirely different. Q.What spe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 789,750 | 790,250 |
that is probably something that you mean by the neurological conditions, rather I didn't know of any such cases in dealing with hepatitis, and they are never described in literature. No matter whether the people concerned are healthy or strong, or whether in any way undernourished, and whether there is a deficiency in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 790,200 | 790,700 |
which is a symptom of the so-called syphillis and furthermore there is a jaundice which originates as a result of the salvarsan treatment of syphillis. All of these are various jaundice diseases. Salvarsan itself, when dealing with infectious jaundice is net used unless, of course, syphillis exists simultaneously. Then... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 790,650 | 791,150 |
patient but a writted confirmation of the patient is usually not applied for. Q.Now, witness, this morning you mentioned at great length Dr. Dohman Like yourself, Dohman was attached to the Military Medical Academy, wasn't he. A.Yes. Q.And Schreiber was also his superior? A.Yes. Q.Now, you have stated that Haagen repro... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 791,100 | 791,600 |
meeting; namely, that Dohman went to Haagen. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will now be in recess until 1:30. (A recess was taken until 1330 hours.) AFTERNOON SESSION (The hearing reconvened at 1330 hours, 10 February 1947) THE MARSHALL:The persons in the court room will please find their seats. The Tribunal is again in se... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 791,550 | 792,050 |
that these lice are infected. That has a definite reason because the louse must have been transmitted to the patient by another person, when I have determined that on the day before I have discovered the louse, no lice at all were present. Q.You also have to assume that the louse has infected the person or the patient?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 792,000 | 792,500 |
the collaboration of Dohmen and Haagen? Answer yes or no. AI did not have to report about this collaboration at all because during the Conference, this collaboration had already been determined. Professor Handloser was also present. QThank you. Were you in attendance at these various Military Medical Meetings for Consu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 792,450 | 792,950 |
Dohmen to given them to him. As far as I know, he personally wanted to have hepatitis experiments carried out. Dohmen had refused to leave these cultures with Grawitz. Grawitz was unable to obtain these cultures. Dohmen did not want to let these cultures out of his hands because he did not want to lose control over the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 792,900 | 793,400 |
this matter? You think if that were the condition Dohmen would tell you about the work he was doing at Sachsenhausen? AI do not think so. QYou do not think he would tell you about it? AI believe he would have told me something about that. QDoctor, can you swear here that Karl Brandt did not have any connect with Dohmen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 793,350 | 793,850 |
Reich Research Council. Q.Well, Witness, could this not be seen from the way in which he made his address? A.I cannot exactly recall his words, but he said he thought it would be a good idea if Group A collaborated with Group B; and if Group C collaborated with Group D in order to compare their result of experiments on... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 793,800 | 794,300 |
seen, nor have I read anything in these questions about experiments on human beings. QIs it correct or possible that just those questions which were addressed to you concerned the selection of certain drugs and also particularly the conservation of drugs, medicine? APart of the questions certainly dealt with that subje... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 794,250 | 794,750 |
already been admitted. It is of further importance for the question which has to be decided hero of the admissibility of experiments on human beings and in excess of this in order to judge the question--the humanitarian question--all together. The prosecution charges the defendants with crimes against humanity. In orde... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 794,700 | 795,200 |
will not reveal the circumstances surrounding the experiments, and, I am quite sure they will attempt to draw inferences from those writings that doctors in the United States, or elsewhere, have done the same thing as done in this case, namely, carried out experiments on people who were not volunteers under circumstanc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 795,150 | 795,650 |
as the purpose of this offer. I don't suppose that these defendants are willing to admit to the case of the Prosecution at this time, and I had supposed that the purpose of this proffer was to show that these defendants had comported with what they had considered to be accepted standards in the field of medical experim... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 795,600 | 796,100 |
voluntarily underwent the experiment, that it was fully explained to them beforehand, that the whole purpose of the experiment was laid out to them -- all those matters. As a practical matter, I think that would be the burden that would be heaped upon the Prosecution, or we would find this record spread full of little ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 796,050 | 796,550 |
It shows that, by order of the government, experiments are being carried out on persons of whom the expert of the Prosecution himself says that they could not be considered as voluntary. In addition to this, the general importance of this document is apparent. One speaks about crimes which the defendants are alleged to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 796,500 | 797,000 |
not something that is hovering in the air, but, in order to reach a just verdict, it is necessary to show actual conditions in the field in question and to examine them. Therefore, if the defense presents evidence of this kind, it is not in order to claim that in other countries -- in the United States and in France -c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 796,950 | 797,450 |
not injure anybody." But what the human being has to do individually in order to fulfill this law, and in what cases he can diverge from this law, we are not directly told by the law. In a case, like the case on hand, the medical professional ethics will have a decisive weight. A professional concept of the physician w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 797,400 | 797,900 |
furthermore, no public prosecutor and no court in the world objects to those experiments, or has taken these scientists to give an account of themselves, then this expresses the fact that, in the case of the research concerned, no crimes were committed, but that there were serious scientific attempts. And, when I read ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 797,850 | 798,350 |
such a statement, the prosecution will submit a brief to the Tribunal. The prosecution has always assumed, the burden, and has added in the indictment, that these experiments or these murders and tortures and other inhumane treatments resulted from medical experiments carried out on involuntary human subjects. I do not... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 798,300 | 798,800 |
of evidence - if you call it evidence - which they will try to throw into the record of this case. Then we will have to come forward and really tell the Tribunal what it's all about, or the Tribunal will have the uneasy feeling that maybe there was something going on here, something like something that has been charged... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 798,750 | 799,250 |
SERVATIUS:The chart as 3, and the attached affidavit as 3-A. I further submit as Exhibit 4-A the Document KB-29, which was the document of the prosecution,NO-150. That will become Exhibit 4-A and 4-B. It was already submitted during the course of the examination. MR. HARDY:What does that document refer to that you just... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 799,200 | 799,700 |
please the Tribunal, I have two questions to ask Dr. Servatius in connection with this affidavit. JUDGE SEBRING:May I ask first, that is coming in as what exhibit number? D3. SERVATIUS: It will be Exhibit Number 5. MR. HARDY:In connection with Exhibit Number 5, as I see it from my copy, I believe this document was not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 799,650 | 800,150 |
as to the functions of his new agency. I remember that upon the question as to the character of his position towards the other agencies of the Reich he replied that one had to consider his position as that of a sort of 'differentiate'. The witness continues and I quote: "I wrote that interview together with the secreta... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 800,100 | 800,600 |
was in chau cf keeping the registry and she became famili .r wit! tie contents of the records kept there, amongst them Hitler's initial euthanasia decree to Brandt and Bouhler, and in that connection she says the following and I quote: "With reference to this euthanasia decree there was no special correspondence and wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 800,550 | 801,050 |
of Jutta Rach. I now come to Document KB 7, which will become Exhibit No. 8. It is n affidavit of the nurse Netty Germann. It only has a general content and shows that the defendant Karl Brandt was active a s physician in the clinic and that he carefully cared for his patients. This is being submitted in order to show ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 801,000 | 801,500 |
witness Gutzeit, and I submit now Document KB 11, Exhibit No. 10. This is an affidavit of Doctor Schieber. It is designated as Affidavit II, since, more than one was given by him. The witness Schieber speaks about the "Action Brandt". This work was Already mentioned during the course of the proceedings and. he explains... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 801,450 | 801,950 |
toe co-defendant Professor Karl Brandt, surely has had knowledge of the Sterilization and that, of course, he had known of the Euthanasia experiments, and that he surely had known of the Typhus experiments. I do not have any actual evidence for this statement made by me. I nave signed the affidavit as it was presented ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 801,900 | 802,400 |
now submit Document KB-18 as Exhibit 15, which is a document in the form of an affidavit made by Dr. Werner Kirchert, who was former medical officer of the Waffen-SS, and he was concerned with the leadership of an Euthanasia institution. And I quote from the affidavit: "In September 1939 Reich Physician SS Dr. Grawitz ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 802,350 | 802,850 |
by decree of the Fuehrer and also by GOERING's signature, as chairman of the Reich Defense Council. I did however, not see these signatures. Later the problem arose again when I was a department head with National Health Leader Dr. CONTI, namely when at the one of the summer of 1941 the Fuehrer's order come that euthan... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 802,800 | 803,300 |
him: "The director of the BODELSCHWINGH institutions in Bethel near Bielefeld, pastor D. Friedrich von BODELSCHWINGH, who died on the 4th cf January 1946, has had several discussions with Prof. Dr. Karl BRANDT over the question of "extirpation of life not worth living", in February 1941 and during the following months.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 803,250 | 803,750 |
except the Defendant Oberheuser who is excused on account of illness. MR. HARDY:May it please the court, in the early stages of the trial the court ruled that on the calling of a witness to the stand notice will be given to the defense or the prosecution and such notice will contain the pertinent information regarding ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 803,700 | 804,200 |
This is an affidavit made by the Konsistorialrat, Doctor Theology, Eugen Gerstenmaier. Eugen Gerstenmaier was one of the main participants of the 20th of July. He is a theologist who worked together with Moltke whose friends were sentenced and executed. I am submitting this affidavit to show what Professor Brandt -- ra... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 804,150 | 804,650 |
his assistance; and she, too, confirms the fact that at that time Brandt intervened in favor of Schacht. This brings me now to Document KB-34, which I am submitting as Exhibit ? This is an affidavit made by Dr. Julius Meyer-Boekhoff, who, on his own initiative, approached me. This witness denied giving his oath to Hitl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 804,600 | 805,100 |
woman, was confined in a concentration camp. This letter is addressed to the Tribunal. The witness says that Brandt had helped her in order to get her out of the concentration camp into a position as a physician. The essential points of this statement are that she thought of turning to the defendant Brandt for help, an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 805,050 | 805,550 |
book. If it is not available before the Tribunal, I an not going to read it. I expect a number of other affidavits and statements and I will not be in a position to conclude my evidence entirely since some of the witnesses haven't as yet arrived and I should like to reserve the right to present these matters at a later... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 805,500 | 806,000 |
only responsible for a part of the Dachau experiments; namely, for the first part, during which no fatalities or damages to health occurred and we also already have pointed out that these defendants are not responsible for the second part of these experiments, that is, not responsible for the part where fatalities occu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 805,950 | 806,450 |
like to say about the danger, that is, the danger for one of the participant subjects, that danger is entirely out of the question and the entire experiment will only last for ten minutes, that is to say if the Tribunal attaches value to it, it could be repeated without taking up too much time of the Tribunal. We attac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 806,400 | 806,900 |
in my opinion, the question of voluntary nature has to be considered. And, if prisoners at Dachau had known and seen how harmless those experiments were, and I mean the ones Dr. Ruff and Dr. Romberg carried out, then I am sure they had no misgivings whatsoever to put themselves at our disposal because carrying out thes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 806,850 | 807,350 |
based on the supposition that the experimental person blacks out or loses consciousness within the space of a few seconds of time, I think there is no doubt that such persons do show expressions of pain and. reactions of pain, such as screaming, etc. I take it Dr. Sauter is trying to prove that in spite of that the sub... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 807,300 | 807,800 |
Those arc all questions which could better be determined by an expert rather than by the demonstration which has been suggested. DR. SAUTER:Mr. President, may I just make a few short remarks on that question. A number of collaborators of Dr. Ruff have already submitted affidavits to us. Mostly they were made from their... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 807,750 | 808,250 |
suite of hard labor I did not succeed in finding out any such possible relationship from those facts. The prosecution passed tho indictment against the defendant Handloser or, rather, withdrew tho indictment against the defendant Handloser on account of high altitude experiments. In order to clarify this matter I shoul... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 808,200 | 808,700 |
Medical Service of the Wehrmacht. It is the prosecution's position that by showing a knowledge of medical experiments on involuntary human subjects, plus his position of very substantial responsibility-- physician at the head of tho medical services of the military sector--that a judgment of guilty can be predicated up... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 808,650 | 809,150 |
to dismiss the specification in connection with the malaria experiments is denied without prejudice f r renewing the motion at the close of the case when such motions may be made and considered in the light of all the evidence. DR. NELTE:Mr. President, I have yet another complaint. Yesterday morning the marshal gave me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 809,100 | 809,600 |
Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withheld an add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) THE PRESIDENT:You may sit down. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. NELTE: QMr. President, I have submitted three document books and I should like to submit them before the Tribunal. Two document beaks are... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 809,550 | 810,050 |
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