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It was not possible at and other agency as far as my opinion goes. From there the order was issued that patients were transferred through the office of Linden; and on the other hand, the transport directives were given from there, so this information must have been initiated from T-4, and there the separation between t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 720,000 | 720,500 |
AYes. QThere was an instruction leaflet sent to the asylums, was there not, advising them how to complete these questionnaires? AYes. QAnd this instruction leaflet tells them upon which patients the questionnaires are to be completed, doesn't it? AYes. QLet me read to you the first paragraph: "All patients are to be en... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 720,450 | 720,950 |
the form of work. QNow, Doctor, you don't seriously suggest that you cannot have persons very severely ill, incurably ill, of the diseases here listed, yet who are able to perform some work? and you are trying to insist to this Tribunal that you can automatically state a priori that if persons with these illnesses can ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 720,900 | 721,400 |
out of the question that an insane person could be used for the production of V-1's or V-2's. This reference here in my opinion is in connection with a reference on page 2, number 3, where patients are lifted who were in those institutions ever since five years before. If a man is in one such institution for five years... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 721,350 | 721,850 |
to you this morning, namely, that these questionnaires were filled out on those persons who would be subjected to euthanasia if they fell within the judgment of the experts as being incurable, And as I recall you rejected that suggestion of mine. AI don't think that I have understood you correctly at the moment. The qu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 721,800 | 722,300 |
way or another way. Perhaps there is even a third possibility that might have been used. If this procedure was followed here in this form, then it certainly is in connection with a general registration about transferring the mental institutions, but certainly not with any other intentions. QHerr Brandt, by dropping dow... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 722,250 | 722,750 |
skillful employment, skillful work, and who had a reasonable output were excluded? A.Were exempted from euthanasia or exempted from filling in the questionnaires? Q.Exempted from euthanasia. AIf such people were able to carry on some special work within their respective institutions then this was proof of the fact that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 722,700 | 723,200 |
of persons in these questionnaires? That is, distinguishing between a Jew and an Aryan? What possible pertinency does the answer to that question have to the determination of whether euthanasia shall be applied? A.In my opinion, it does not have any special value whatsoever. I have just said that I am of the opinion th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 723,150 | 723,650 |
add that now as before I still maintain the opinion that the time of reporting these patients consisted of five years and, in this respect, I am also of the opinion that if the questionnaires had to be filled in by non-Germans that this probably served for some sort of statistical computation whose origin I do not exac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 723,600 | 724,100 |
there were 4% to 6%. QHow do you know this figure so precisely? ABouhler informed me about it, that is to say, -- yes, it was Bouhler he informed me of the fact with the reasons which I also stated yesterday when I mentioned the subject. QDoes this not indicate a rather remarkable analytical and diagnostic ability on t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 724,050 | 724,550 |
ANobody was ordered to carry out euthanasia if he did not agree with the findings and in observing institutes no euthanasia was carried out at all. QBut you do not know of any precise instructions that were issued to the observation stations and the euthanasia stations concerning their right to over-ride the opinion of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 724,500 | 725,000 |
by a doctor on the scene was at the observation station? AYes, certainly. QWasn't it part of your duty and responsibility to make very sure that the proper type of examination was conducted on these patients who were being put to death? AThat certainly was not my task. In order to carry out this task I first of all wou... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 724,950 | 725,450 |
the corpses, who had not been cremated, certainly has nothing to do with the performance of Euthanasia, which was known until the end of 1943 and I say that for the reason that at Hadamar the corpses were not cremated, while the corpses, who were accumulated in connection with the Euthanasia program, were cremated. QIs... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 725,400 | 725,900 |
or not Fritz Bleich worked in your office at the Fuehrer's Chancellery? AI did not have any office in the Fuehrer's Chancellery. I had my office in the Reich Chancellery and in the Reich Chancellery was located the Chancellery of the Fuehrer, the Ministry of Lammers and Meissner and there were still several other offic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 725,850 | 726,350 |
out? ANo, I did not. However, I maintain the natural point of view that somebody who comes into a concentration camp because of a political or other crime, would have no connection with a mental disease. QBut you didn't inquire as to whether there were any insane persons in concentration camps when this program started... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 726,300 | 726,800 |
up, and getting into operation? AI can only say the same thing again on the subject, I thought that within the concentration camps there were no mentally insane persons and I have never heard or discovered that such examinations had been carried out in the concentration camps, and I have not heard anything about the fa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 726,750 | 727,250 |
to concentration camps in Bavaria and Thuringia? AI have stated here that my attention was drawn to the fact that the reference number 14F 13in connection with what Menecke has testified at one time, is concerning the district of Bavaria and then Hess and all Thuringia, and some document stated that some people were se... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 727,200 | 727,700 |
be able then to give us some information about what happened to the personnel in T-4 and in other parts of the euthanasia program A.I cannot say that. Q.You said questionnaires continued to be sent in and evaluated after August 1941; is that correct? A.Yes, certainly the questionnaires continued to be worked on because... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 727,650 | 728,150 |
not know of it before. Q.Herr Brandt, how do you explain that the extermination if some sixty thousand Germans, using your own figures, in the euthanasia program was common knowledge in Germany as the proof in this case has shown, while a man in your high position did not know that Jews numbering in seven figures were ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 728,100 | 728,600 |
Brandt, I want to put to you Document No-892. Herr Brandt, this is a letter on the letterhead of the General Patients Transport Corporation dated Berlin, 20 July 1943, to the mental institution, Hadamar near Limburg/ Lahn. It reads as follows: "In the course of the evacuation of institutions situated in the Western ter... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 728,550 | 729,050 |
me through the trial last year, and I do not know where the Institution Warstein is located. QDo you know whether these one hundred fifty insane persons were exterminated at Hadamar? AI don't know that and I don't believe it, and it is not known to me that the patients would have to be sent there. This letter does not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 729,000 | 729,500 |
in one way concerned with reference to these Euthanasia institutions, such a question could only refer to a conversation I had with Pastor Bodelschwing regarding his patients. That, according to my recollection occurred in the year of 1940 -- 1940 or 1941, I am not quite sure. QNow, Herr Brandt, you have had sometime t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 729,450 | 729,950 |
was the letter I have already put to the witness, be marked as Prosecution's Exhibit No. 442 for identification. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal calls the Counsel's attention to the fact that the copy of the document submitted to the Tribunal is incomplete. It does not correspond with the copy of the document the Counsel re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 729,900 | 730,400 |
passed on the letter which was directed to me to the agency which dealt with the question of research of hereditary and constitutional severe diseases; nothing else, as far as my opinion goes, can be seen from this letter. I cannot remember the incident with that child, nor do I know whether I received any concrete rep... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 730,350 | 730,850 |
dealing with it - a correct and simpler way - but I cannot say what we were concerned with at that time. Consequently, I can't answer the question which you put to me. QWell, witness, isn't it perfectly clear what we're concerned with. I take it that the question was whether Anna Gasse was to be improperly executed. He... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 730,800 | 731,300 |
given, QWas the approval written approval or verbal approval? AThat I don't know. I cannot say that. QHave you ever seen any written approval? AI believe that during the first period, when this authorization was submitted for signature to Bouhler and me, all the other papers were together with it, such as approvals, et... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 731,250 | 731,750 |
Witness, the document which has been handed to you consists of extracts taken from the diary of General Halder and I would like to direct your attention to some of these excerpts. I ask that this document be marked as Prosecution Exhibit 444 for identification. Do you see the excerpt taken from Volume VII, page 92 of t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 731,700 | 732,200 |
one of the leaders of the euthanasia program in Germany itself? AI must say that I was not included in that program and I was not informed by the Fuehrer about this question. It was never under discussion. QHerr Brandt, after 1942, don't you think that you had sufficient power and authority to put a stop to killing of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 732,150 | 732,650 |
the Armed Forces. QWitness, which branch of the Wehrmacht had the largest medical service? ACertainly theArmy and for that reason at that time, in 1942, the Chief of the Medical Service of the Army was promoted to Chief of the Medical Services for the Armed Forces, which includes all branches. QWould you say that the m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 732,600 | 733,100 |
within the framework of the respective Wehrmacht branch which dealt with any such matter. It may have been the Navy or the Air Force. QAs I put it to you, medical research on typhus, medical research on epidemic jaundice, medical research on yellow fever, are mutual problems. Could Handloser issue orders to Hippke init... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 733,050 | 733,550 |
the consulting physicians of the Military Medical Academy from 30 November to 3 December 1942, approximately six months after this Fuehrer order that we have been studying was issued. He opens his address: "Gentlemen: The demands and extent of this total war as well as the relationship between needs and availability of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 733,500 | 734,000 |
they remained institutions of the competent Wehrmacht branches and had their names. Dr. Handloser, as medical inspector and Army physician, had the Military Medical Academy and similar situation was with the Navy. QAnd he used the Military Medical Academy to coordinate research activities in all the branches of the Weh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 733,950 | 734,450 |
again medical officers are spoken of. That is in compliance with what is meant here in the formulation of the decree with personnel. It does not mean that Mr. Handloser was in the position to direct the work done by these gentlemen in their various branches. No doubt it would have been correct if we had some central me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 734,400 | 734,900 |
on which occasion you were right, whether when you stated as May 1944 that Handloser was responsible for the use and performance of the medical office, or whether, as you testified here, he was not so responsible? AYou must not consider the question of responsibility in the same sense, you must differentiate between th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 734,850 | 735,350 |
Would Keitel or would Keitel have not, sent an order down to Hippke to straighten out the affairs which were complained of by Handloser? AI don't believe that Keitel would have done so, and for the following reason, the medical service of the Air Forces was an independent institution and the supreme commander of the Ai... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 735,300 | 735,800 |
the entire leadership and assumed a clear position of superiority over all Armed Forces branches, this second decree of August 1944 would not have become necessary. In this second decree the wasn't only the separation of his position as the Army Inspectorate and the Medical Chief of the Armed Forces, but it was very cl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 735,750 | 736,250 |
have been to report to the Fuehrer, and have him deal with the matter. I am quite sure he could not have issued any order to Himmler. QHerr Brandt, you did not answer the question. We are not concerned with the likelihood a Handloser having issued an order. We are simply concerned with the power to do so. And, I have p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 736,200 | 736,700 |
Conti in his capacity as leader of physicians. He was the deputy leader of physicians, while Conti was the leader of physicians. And, he was Reich Health Leader as a party/function and at the same time he was UnderSecretary of State in the Ministry of the Interior. Blome had nothing at all to do with Doctor Conti's pos... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 736,650 | 737,150 |
Generalarzt of the Reserve. Q.Did you have any function from the army? A.I had no further connection with the army. After participating in the first exercises in the year of 1935 I continued the exercises up until the beginning of the war; and during the war I was commissioned to exercise functions at the Fuehrer's hea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 737,100 | 737,600 |
just said possesses dangerousness in addition to being of an involuntary nature. This makes it doubly hard; and of course if it is not essential then that would be the crux of the problem. Q.Herr Brandt, would the experiments charged in the indictment be criminal if the experimental subjects did not consent to undergoi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 737,550 | 738,050 |
experiments. Will you tell the Tribunal your view on the criminal character of that experiment on that assumption? JUDGE SEBRING:Mr. McHaney, are you concerned now with the experiment or the manner of its execution? MR. McHANEY:The experiment as it was carried out. JUDGE SEBRING:As it was supposed to have been executed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 738,000 | 738,500 |
a human being could withstand exposure to cold before succumbing to the affects of it. Do you understand that? Let's assume secondly that human subjects were selected for such freezing experiments without their consent. Let's assume thirdly that such involuntary human subjects were subjected to the experiments and died... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 738,450 | 738,950 |
an order which authorized or directed a subordinate medical officer or subordinate medical group to carry on a certain medical experiment - let us assume for the moment this freezing experiment - we have then a general order, let us assume, directing a certain institute to carry on freezing experiments without delineat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 738,900 | 739,400 |
are under indictment here, but I want to express that the question of the importance of an experiment is basically and remains basically of a decisive importance. Even in that case a certain amount of fatalities had to be taken into account from the start when infecting eight hundred people with malaria. The voluntary ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 739,350 | 739,850 |
other countries. With reference to freezing experiments, I can only say in this connection that in a certain form without saying "criminal" or "not criminal" they showed their value. The indication for that is that the results in the American Air Force were considered as something particular and helped the American Air... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 739,800 | 740,300 |
meaning whatsoever, and the farther the war progressed, the stronger did this principle thought appear that was designated at the end as total war fare, and in accordance with that the leadership of the State quite generally ordered and demanded that orders be carried out. It is a very tragic for a number of persons no... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 740,250 | 740,750 |
about the life the experimental subject If I consider the case of concentration camps, the, according to my opinion, the person who is alone responsible was Himmler himself for it was only with his consent, or only in the basis of his order such experiments were carried through. These people attached to the concentrati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 740,700 | 741,200 |
the trial he was at liberty and shortly after the beginning of this trial he had been put in a British prison in Hamburg. In response to my application he was brought to Nurnberg and I was informed that the witness had arrived here. This witness had also been approved for the defense counsel of General Field Marshal Mi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 741,150 | 741,650 |
some days since, sequestering this witness for a period of 8 days only, after which he would be open to examination by any of the defense counsel. The Tribunal will examine the record at the earliest possible moment and announce its ruling on the matter. I notice, however, that counsel for Defendant Ruff, on the 30th o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 741,600 | 742,100 |
on the part of the Prosecution and the Secretary General, it happened that certain of the defense counsel in this case and in the Milch case interrogated Hippke at some length before he had ever been seen by the Prosecution and, as a matter of fact, exhibited to him a substantial number of documents which form the basi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 742,050 | 742,550 |
If the case were opposite; if the prosecution brought a witness here, then the defense does not have the right to say, "I will now examine the witness one week for the defense and when I am finished, then the prosecution can have him." Of course, the American prosecution knows American trial procedure better and we def... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 742,500 | 743,000 |
HANEY:Hogen and Heppke are two that come to mind. There are of course many other numbers of possibilities that we listed when we first started investigating the matters at issue. We drew up a list in excess of 250 to 300 doctors who we fell either were implicated in some manner or who at least had some knowledge of the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 742,950 | 743,450 |
the defense may question him. I may point out something else, Gentlemen, this witness, Hippke, has been here in the prison for sometime. The case of the prosecution has long been finished. The prosecution did not produce this witness, and as far as I know it did not submit an affidavit from this witness, therefore, in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 743,400 | 743,900 |
to find out the address of the witness and whether they found out this a dress by themselves, I do not know. THE PRESIDENT:It will accomplish as a matter of convenience in expediting the preparation for trial, if the witness is going to be brought here personally to be personally present as a witness by the Court rathe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 743,850 | 744,350 |
Oath of Hipocrates? AI think the Oath of Hipocrates is not an oath which is to be changed as a law. The Oath of Hipocrates is a formulation concerning moral and ethical obligations. I do not believe that anyone is ordered not to observe the moral obligations of a doctor. If I said anything about this it was that the me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 744,300 | 744,800 |
am sending to you enclosed a Fuehrer Decree which I received from Professor Dr. Brandt." Wouldn't that indicate that you passed the order down? A.It is possible that I passed it on. Q.And that does relieve German physicians from one of the normally accepted principles of medical practice, doesn't it? A.In special cases... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 744,750 | 745,250 |
as a result of these experiments, What would you have done after receiving that information from Handloser? A.That is such a theoretical question in a form in which I cannot answer it. I consider it impossible. DR.NELTE (Counsel for Handloser): Mr. President, a hypothetical question is being asked by the prosecutor. Th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 745,200 | 745,700 |
year was 1941, I would first have tried to get more information and find out exactly what had happened and what the reasons were, and in some form possible to me I would probably have tried to clear up the situation if it was described to me as critical. With regard to my position as Commissioner-General and Handloser'... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 745,650 | 746,150 |
should be carried out. Thus I was formally brought into connection with these experiments after my time in 1942. QWell, witness, I seem to get a different picture now about this letter than the one I received from your direct examination. Do I understand that you now admit that you spoke to Grawitz and suggested to him... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 746,100 | 746,600 |
connection with the Second Decree aside from the general medical program tasks which were the most urgent things. Q.Didn't this Second Decree expressly state that your authority covered the field of medical science and research? A.As far as it is to be understood in the sense of Decree No. 2, I established an office fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 746,550 | 747,050 |
far perhaps. In order to do that I would have had to have an extensively large office, a larger agency that I had. QDid you receive copies of research orders at the time by the medical service of the Wehrmacht and the civilian sector? AI assume that cert in information came from the civilian and the military sectors. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 747,000 | 747,500 |
the university clinic or elsewhere? AIt may perhaps be better to explain it in the following way, that if Rostock had asked anything with reference to science and research before the assumption of his duties, I would have been the chief myself, and Rostock would have written as my deputy or representing me. QDidn't Ros... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 747,450 | 747,950 |
problem? AThis task could really not be fulfilled in this manner. In order to fulfill it completely, it would have become necessary that I held a much larger position and a larger office than Rostock had at that time. QI understand, Herr Brandt, that you accept responsibility for Rostock's actions; but I now want to fi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 747,900 | 748,400 |
as they took place. QWouldn't Rostock as Chief of the Office for Science and Research go to the Reichforschungsrat and investigate what medical research was being carried on there and direct that priority be given to one medical research task as against another? AIt would perhaps take such a proposal, but the professio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 748,350 | 748,850 |
the material that I know about that matter, the expert was very clearly subordinated only to the President. QYour answer is then that you yourself do not know of any specific instance when Rostock proposed or ordered that a certain research task should give priority by the Reich Research Council, is that correct? AAt t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 748,800 | 749,300 |
he? ANeither Conti became my subordinate on the basis of this decree or Generalstabsoberst Handloser. If it had been one it would have been the other. QDidn't Conti, as a matter of fact, subordinate himself to you after this decree of 25 August 1944? ANo subordination was mentioned in this decree. This decree was not a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 749,250 | 749,750 |
Q.But he was opposed in fact to you, was he not, Herr Brandt? A.Yes, that was so. Q.So it would be true to say that the issuance of this Third Fuehrer Decree did constitute something of a triumph over Bormann on your part? A.I would be ashamed if the word "triumph" would play some part if it is in reference to the task... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 749,700 | 750,200 |
out went far above any personal feeling and certainly above my feeling towards an enemy. Q.Herr Brandt, you do protest so much that I think I may have to put a document to you. I have here in front of me the minutes of the report of party member, Dr. Gross, to the Reichsleiter, dated 6 October 1944, which says "present... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 750,150 | 750,650 |
different relationship. At that time I got into debt and the Fuehrer knew about it. Consequently, I received this sum of money. QDid you say that you received 750 marks a year as General Commissioner? AI never mentioned the amount 750 marks with Reich Commissioner. You asked me for what reason I received this sum and I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 750,600 | 751,100 |
I do not know whether it is correct. Q.Well, you remember Menzel? A.Menzel, yes. Q.And you remember Osenberg? A.Osenberg, yes. Q.So we have 6, counting Menzel and Osenberg. They are all doctors, aren't they? A.Osenberg was certainly not a physician and Menzel was not a physician either. Q.So only 2 doctors on the Presi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 751,050 | 751,550 |
of them? A.As far as I remember I did not speak to Sauerbruch about any questions with reference to the Reich Research Council. I occasionally met Sauerbruch but that was mostly in connection with completely different question merely of a consultative nature. Neither did I speak to Blome about questions of cancer resea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 751,500 | 752,000 |
in connection with Gebhardt' experiments? A.It is very difficult now to say, now that there is so much talk about experiments going on, that one had no knowledge at that time. However, I was now informed about these experiments. Regarding the experiments of Hirt, for instance, I was at Hirt's place at the end of April ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 751,950 | 752,450 |
statement about such a matter. Q.Well, what were his general statements? A.What I said before. According to my opinion, took place in 1935 when he discussed the question of experiments on human beings as such. It happened without any particular case or without indicating any certain procedure. Whether he came back to t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 752,400 | 752,900 |
simply trying to refresh the witness' recollection and I am asking him now about this Hitler order and whether or not it was actually issued. THE PRESIDENT:The counsel can ask the witness if he knows of any such order and if he remembers any such order at this time. BY MR. MCHANEY: Q.Herr Brandt, have you told us all y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 752,850 | 753,350 |
excuse by the Tribunal. BY MR. McHANEY: QHerr Brandt, I have handed to you Document No. 1309 which has been introduced as Prosecution Exhibit 326. It concerns biological warfare and is an official note signed by Klieve concerning a conversation with Professor Blome on 23 February 1944. Do you find the sentence about th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 753,300 | 753,800 |
be helped to establish his institution. In this respect, in connection with human experiments and so forth, there was nothing more between me and Blome. QWhat was this serum that he was to manufacture? AI cannot say exactly what kind of serum it was. I only remember an institute in which he wanted to make arrangements ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 753,750 | 754,250 |
it was dated 1 March. In my opinion the question of Blitzableiter and my connection with the Blitzableiter is to be traced back to Blome's idea, who approached me about his general institute, and the reference that he wants to report to the Reich Marshal and Generalsarzt Dr. Brandt that the association will be dissolve... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 754,200 | 754,700 |
order that human experiments may be conducted. The problem is rather of the opposite sort. Animal experiments are conducted because one is convinced that they are right in themselves and can lead to a result. QDid you ever visit Bickenbach's experimental station in Strasbourg? AI do not know that he had an experimental... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 754,650 | 755,150 |
Herr Brandt, is that the apparatus in connection with the decontamination of poisoned water that you have previously mentioned in direct examination? A. (Cont'd.) There is a difference in discussing the machine teds to decontaminate air and apparatus to decontaminate water. QDo you know whether a German law provides fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 755,100 | 755,600 |
want to review with you some answers you gave mo on that occasion, and to ask you then if you still maintain the correctness cf the answers you gave. The question was put to you to give us a grief statement of what you know concerning medical experiments on human beings. You answered: "There is nothing else I could say... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 755,550 | 756,050 |
University of Strasbourg?" Answer: "I heard about it once, but these were not experiments on human beings. Sievers went to me once only and told me about experiments on animals made by Prof. Hirt; it was a very short visit only. I talked to Prof. Hirt and he showed me microscopic slides of rabbits, but no word was utte... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 756,000 | 756,500 |
experiments, as generally conducted and as I knew them, as they have been described to me in the Military academy, are unimportant, at first painful local skin symptoms, which later heal. In the meantime I have seen literature on the subject which confirms this. QWell, Herr Brandt, you did read this report, and you got... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 756,450 | 756,950 |
said that I tried to create a vitamin reserve. QHerr Brandt, can it not be definitely concluded from the report given on the sulfanilamide experiments by Gebhardt that those experimental subjects were deliberately infected with gas bacillus and gangrene in order to test the effectiveness of sulfanilamide? AIf experimen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 756,900 | 757,400 |
wounds caused by gas? AIt did not include the studies. I said that originally it included only gas masks and that in the course of time the program was expanded* As far as the drugs needed for the treatment of gas wounds was not established only until 1944, the methods of treatment in general are the same as in the Fir... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 757,350 | 757,850 |
was broken off through the war conditions; about in September. QHerr Brandt, is it not a fact that Bickenbach was performing phosgene experiments on inmates of the Natzweiler camp? ABickenbach conducted animal experiments there. QWhat kind of animals did he use? AHe had dogs. I did not see the experiments there myself.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 757,800 | 758,300 |
apparatus the question of water decontaminating apparatus was also discussed. Within the Wehrmacht there was no agreement upon methods which were not suitable and the Civilian Air Raid authorities were agreed. In the Ministry for Ammunition and War Production there was a special routine for the production of such decon... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 758,250 | 758,750 |
opinion at the time was that in case of poisoned water one would have to bring fresh water in tank cars or other containers from an area which had not been poisoned. The two representatives of the decontamination processes were of the opinion that their apparatus was good. No decision was reached at this mooting. I iss... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 758,700 | 759,200 |
the decontamination process? A.It is quite possible that something of this sort was said. It is a question of the apparatus itself. It has to be poisoned with some gas and then with some filter method of chemical method. The poison has to be removed, that is the point of this problem altogether. Q.What is K substance? ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 759,150 | 759,650 |
and concerning experiments carried out at Hamburg-Neungamme, a report by Dr. Jaegers and Reg. Bauinspektor Kumpfert: "In agreement with the Reich Fuehrung SS, experiments were carried out at Hamburg-Neungamme with drinking water preparation 44/5 in order to determine whether W-acid of various concentrations would cause... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 759,600 | 760,100 |
health of the experimental subjects. Do you find that? A.Yes. Q.Now, Doctor, did you ever suggest any other experiments on concentration camp inmates? A.As far as I know, I made no precise suggestions concerning concentration camp inmates. I must assume from the report that even before that the experiments had been car... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 760,050 | 760,550 |
by me. Q.This was a contact by you with the SS, wasn't it? A.Yes. Q.I understood that y u have previously testified y u never had any official contact with SS men? A.This Obergruppenfuehrer Wolff was at the fuehrer's headquarters. That is shown by the address. He was the liaison man with the SS. He was formerly the adj... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 760,500 | 761,000 |
day that you had only met Pohl here in the prison. Are you sure that Pohl did not get in touch with you in connection with this matter? It is possible that he wrote to me. I cannot remember it. As far as I know I saw Pohl f r the first time here in the prison. I might have met him once before without knowing that it wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 760,950 | 761,450 |
disposal of SS Brigadefuehrer Professor Dr. Brandt (SS Gruppenfuehrer Professor Dr. Grawitz). Signed, Grothmann." Tell the Tribunal who Gluecks was, witness? A.Gluecks was the head of all the concentration camps. I did not know him. I did not even know his name. I was of the opinion that that was Pohl, but I have learn... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 761,400 | 761,900 |
said I do not remember any. I have no idea of any. Q.Well, maybe you will remember this one a little better. Let's have a look at DocumentNO-1620. This is offered as Prosecution Exhibit 449 for identification. (Document handed to witness) Q.Herr Professor, will you please read this document aloud? A.Yes. A letter signe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 761,850 | 762,350 |
could have had any possible interest in medical science and research? A.The dates are correct, but an appointment which I pass on to other agencies because it was given to me has nothing actually to do with the lem itself, What is generally meant by science and research is a more ext cursive concept than the reference ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 762,300 | 762,800 |
there are general burn symptoms, the injury is not too serious. Decisive in the question of the therapeutic agent is what chemical is used to neutralize phosphorous which has a relatively low burning temperature. Experiments carried out in the camp Sachsenhausen, I did not learn anything about them from any report, and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 762,750 | 763,250 |
knowledge was quite enough to be able to talk on these question in general. Q.Then I may conclude that your activity was not that of a specialist basically? A.It could not be if you mean my activity as far as the problem of Euthanasia was concerned. I did not exercise any function as a specialist in psychiatry. There w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 763,200 | 763,700 |
still Jewish hospitals, and were there Jews in other hospitals? A.Yes. Q.Did these hospitals receive questionnaires? A.No. Again it would have been necessary to send questionnaires to all hospitals. Q.Then I may conclude that it was not intended to get of all in hospitals? A.No. In 1939 the questionnaires were set up p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 763,650 | 764,150 |
the transfer of insane persons in connection with the evacuation of areas endangered by air raids. Were only insane persons transferred from these areas at that time? ANo, at that time there was a general evacuation of the sick, which was undertaken at that time. I looked at a map and discovered at first a sanatorium a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 764,100 | 764,600 |
scale or even smaller losses were reported through normal channels. QWitness, I am asking you once more to look at DocumentNO-119, which was presented yesterday in the course of the cross examination. This is a letter according to which doctors were told that they did not have to maintain their secrecy any more; and I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 764,550 | 765,050 |
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