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morning, reads as follows: "On 29 December 1941 a conference took place at the Reich Ministry of the Interior concerning the development of a typhus vaccine in which, aside from the undersigned, the following took part: "From the Institute of Infectious Diseases 'Robert Koch': Vice President Dr. Gildemeister. "From the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 900,000 | 900,500 |
more at this time. After all, the whole procedure was very normal and it does not contain anything in any respect which would have caused my intervention or which would have offered anything in particular aside from the fact that an in crease in the production of vaccine was to be attempted here. Q.Well, I'd like to po... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 900,450 | 900,950 |
was also stated in this letter that it has been previously furnished to various places and, as a result of this, it was not very difficult to obtain this Weigl vaccine. Q.Do you know anything about a decree of 5 January 1942 concerning typhus? A.No, it is impossible for me to know that although I would like to tell you... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 900,900 | 901,400 |
it was a memorandum concerning a spotted fever research order by Kent to Dr. Haagen and it stated "also a copy to the Science and Research Group of the Military Medical Academy". No, that is of the Luftwaffe. Paragraph 2 reads: "A decision as to the establishment of a vaccine manufacturing plant cannot yet be made beca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 901,350 | 901,850 |
I did not know the name of Buchenwald at all, and if any vaccine by the Waffen-SS had reached my hands, or if I had ever heard of such a vaccine of the Waffen-SS, which is not impossible, then I would immediately have brought it into connection with the Hygienic Institute of the Waffen-SS. I have never entered this ins... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 901,800 | 902,300 |
say "You will get very little now, or nothing." That is one explanation. I cannot state anything further on the subject. Q.Any SS troops using the Behring egg-yolk vaccine would be in the field under the jurisdiction of the Army Medical Inspectorate in medical natters, would they not? A.The SS units at the front with r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 902,250 | 902,750 |
of the most important problems, and therefore in my opening speech and also in the discussions, I have directed and appealed to them and have warned them that they were to do everything in order to avoid, in the course of the winter, that we should again get into such a situation as in the winter of 1941 or 42. For thi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 902,700 | 903,200 |
the Wehrmacht Medical Service? A.Neither the word "superior" not any authority to issue orders is mentioned. Q.In the time when you were Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service and when Hippke was Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe, was there any cause to awaken the impression with Dr. Hippke that he was your... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 903,150 | 903,650 |
rejection on the part of the Reich Research Council to tho nomination of Schreiber by the Army Medical Inspectorate. The letter which I didn't read concerns itself only with the appointment of Handloser. It is a personal letter to Handloser stating that he has not been appointed to the presiding council of the Research... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 903,600 | 904,100 |
by Professor Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer, at least nothing came to your knowledge about that subject. Mr. McHaney has stated this fact can be interpreted in several ways, either as you want it, that those statements did not cause any specific interest, or as the prosecution has stated, that all the persons who were presen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 904,050 | 904,550 |
with other matters. Q.I only want to determine here who was his superior with regards to the work. A.That was Weapons Office 9, the Armament Office 9. Q.In the cross-examination the DocumentNO-155has been handed to you. It was not presented to you, but it was used as a basis for your examination. The Prosecutor has men... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 904,500 | 905,000 |
to discuss the research problem for the time being instead of devoting time to the production of vaccines? A.That is correct with one exception. In the case of the Weigl Vaccine which was excellent, the production could not be raised over a certain amount, and with the egg yolk vaccine we had difficulty in obtaining th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 904,950 | 905,450 |
was taken.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. May it please your Honors, Dr. Rudolf Brandt he availed himself of the excuse granted him and is absent for the remainder of the afternoon. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the absence of the defendant Rudolf Brandt pursuant to an exc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 905,400 | 905,900 |
1940 in Muenster. On the first of October 1941 I was transferred to tie Medical Inspectorate of the Air Force as Chief of Staff where I was active until the new agency, Wehrmacht Medical Service was created. From the first of September 1942 I was appointed chief of Staff with the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 905,850 | 906,350 |
instance, affairs of troop hygiene which occurred with ground troops and army troops and were the same in both cases? A.Protective measures, malaria prophylaxis, productive vaccinations against the various epidemics and, finally, medical education. Q.How do you understand the decree of 1942, bearing in mind the point o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 906,300 | 906,800 |
the tendency cf the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service. The Wehrmacht Branches endeavored to give up as little as possible of their rights, while the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service has the task to deal with the mutual tasks himself. Naturally, tensions arose from that situation, partly some peculiar situati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 906,750 | 907,250 |
in his position as Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Services, in an influential and strong position? A.No. This is was only a beginning which had to be developed. Q.Wherein lay the strength and the influence which Professor Handloser no doubt had? A.The influence consisted in his position as Amy Medical Inspector, that i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 907,200 | 907,700 |
time the name of Buchenwald mentioned? AIt was never mentioned during any such conversation or conversations. Q were you at any time in a concentration camp? ABefore the capitulation never; only after the capitulation, as an inmate. QDo you know the agency of the Reich Research Council? A.Yes, I know about that but I d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 907,650 | 908,150 |
these letters and everything was prepared to see that the important matters came to the signature of the chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Services. QI am interested in establishing the following thing. Whenever mail came to you and to the departmental chiefs, what was actually presented to the chief of the Wehrmacht Medi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 908,100 | 908,600 |
me. QDid you perhaps receive knowledge that a certain matter was sometimes dealt with by circumvention of your person and reported immediately to Dr. Handloser? ANo, that never came to my knowledge, and if that had happened, then I would have done something about it and acted very severely. QSo basically you would have... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 908,550 | 909,050 |
medical chiefs but not to people who were subordinated to them. That is to say, the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Services could, for instance, issue an order to the Army Medical Inspector according to Figure 2-A but he couldn't issue an order to any army group physician or any lower eschelon because he is not mention... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 909,000 | 909,500 |
is the right to issue orders in these fields of the Medical Service. Q.Would you please clarify that point practically? A.As far as the expression itself goes, this expression does net originate from your office. I think it was first used in the Wehrmacht Operational Staff in order to help the Navy. A technical superio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 909,450 | 909,950 |
practice was the relationship of the Medical Service of the Waffen-SS? A.I already said that the Waffen-SS was not very interested, and in spite of a request did not give us any collaborators in our working staff. I remember one incident that the SS did not follow an order which requested them to list all the material ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 909,900 | 910,400 |
are all present in the court. THE MARSHAL:May it please your Honors, all defendants are present in the court. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court. It appears to the Tribunal that Tribunal Number 2, which is now in session trying Case No. 2, desires th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 910,350 | 910,850 |
Ministry of Economics end the Ministry of Armament had to approach the industries which were producing medical equipment and had to issue a decree that such orders were only to be executed when they emanated from the Chief Medical Supply Office, the office which was working on these matters for us. All other orders had... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 910,800 | 911,300 |
the part of the industries. Q.Well, then, is it correct to say that you - that is, the Chief of Wehrmacht Medical Services - had no decision over the question when such a factory was to be erected, but that you only had to be listened to since medical service questions were touched upon? A.He had no right of authority ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 911,250 | 911,750 |
A.No, that was not the case. Q.Do you know whether from any side complaints were made with your agency about the contents of this lecture? A.No, according to my knowledge no such complaints were made. QDo you still remember what the situation was in the Medical Inspectorate during the middle of May, that is, shortly be... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 911,700 | 912,200 |
welfare of his sick and wounded, and also had a high ethical concept of his profession. He is an energetic upright soldier with a high sense of humor and duty. On the whole he is a man who because of his medical and humane values was respected by his medical officers, by civilian physicians, including the scientific re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 912,150 | 912,650 |
the reason behind the issuance of the Fuehrer decree of 28 July 1942, was to preserve personnel and material by way of proper coordination Now, I ask you, isn't the utilization of material and personnel in the field of medical research a common problem of all branches of the Wehrmacht, which required a coordinated and ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 912,600 | 913,100 |
the Wehrmacht, was it not? A.Yes, it was the largest branch of the Wehrmacht. Q.Now you said, Doctor, that the Chief of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht - you have testified here, Doctor, that the Chief of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht received research assignments from the branches of the Wehrmacht from 194... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 913,050 | 913,550 |
according to my knowledge he was always informed by Professor Handloser about his important decisions, no such information was given by Professor Hippke. He acted very independently and the work was made difficult since he did not inform his collaborators sufficiently. QNow, during the course of your duties as Chief of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 913,500 | 914,000 |
in the corridor before the Office of the Secretary of the State I met a few of my acquintances, and some people I didn't know, and among the people I know I think Dr. Romberg was present. QDr. Rasher was there also? AI wanted to say Dr. Romberg. Q.Dr. Rasher and Dr. Romberg to other? ANo, I Don't know Dr. Rasher, I don... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 913,950 | 914,450 |
was being shown, Doctor? Do I have to dispense with reading the document? AI ask you to read the document. Q "On September 11, 1942 at 9:45 o'clock Stabsarzt Dr. Rasher and Dr. Romberg met, according to telephonic and oral agreements, with Col. Pendele, in the ante-chamber of the Secretary of State. We were informed th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 914,400 | 914,900 |
distribution and the continuation of the experiments. The motion picture film was handed to Colonel Vorwald. "According to the conference with Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers ---" I don't think it is necessary to read any further. This is signed by Dr. Romberg. Now, Doctor, do you still say you didn't see this film in the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 914,850 | 915,350 |
the two agencies were divided from one another? AYes, they saw that a very clear division was made and the tendency of both up to a certain point were contrary to each agency. QYes, you said that yesterday. Am I Correct if I say there was even tension between these two agencies working in the same building? AYes you ca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 915,300 | 915,800 |
was directly subordinate to you in your position? A.There were two department chiefs; one chief of the Medical Inspectorate Generalarzt Marzius, an the chief of the Organizational Department, Generalstabsarzt Liebermann and then there was an independant group of pharmacists, there was a domestic group and a registratio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 915,750 | 916,250 |
really a very unimportant affair for you? AYes. DR. MARX:Thank you. I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any further examination of this witness? MR. HARDY:I have no further questions to put to this witness, Your Honor. THE PRESIDENT:The witness Paul Wuerfler may be excused, there being no further examination of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 916,200 | 916,700 |
of a general hospital for German P.W.'s in France, and at the end of March I was released from prisoner-of-war activity. Since October of last year I was active at the University of Frankfurt as departmental chief with university and was nominated as a lecturer. QThen you were within the sphere of office of Professor H... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 916,650 | 917,150 |
typhus questions, or did you yourself deal with such conferences? AAround that time we generally had great concern regarding the vaccine production. We had our own institute, the Typhus Institute at Cracow, which was producing vaccines for us. But in addition, we had to furnish vaccines to other Wehrmacht branches. We ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 917,100 | 917,600 |
vaccine. Q.Do you know whether this attitude of Professor Handloser resulted in anything concrete? A.Yes. The Behring Works had the intention of establishing a new factory in Lwov and they approached the Army, Professor Handloser, for that purpose and wanted to have the Polish Professor Weigl placed at their disposal, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 917,550 | 918,050 |
leave you would have been there? A.Yes, I would have been there. Q.Now will you please look at "B" on page 2? Will you please read it? I do not have a copy here. Will you read it aloud under section "B"? A.The vaccine now produced by the Behring Works, which is produced from chicken eggs, is to be tested for its effect... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 918,000 | 918,500 |
week before there was some discussion of a different group of people? A.That is quite possible, yes. Q.But it would probably have been impossible on the same day? A.Yes, I consider that impossible. Q.Do you know that Professor Handloser took part in a different discussion and with a larger number of people on the typhu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 918,450 | 918,950 |
be in a Medical Commission of the SS. He was to show the Medical Commission of the SS how to carry out this method of packing. Q.Did the SS have a special part in this action? A.Yes, it was expected that special divisions of the SS would participate, the Leibstandarte and the Reich were mentioned, for example. Well, th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 918,900 | 919,400 |
this vaccine. This corresponds to the well known smallpox vaccination, a scratch on the upper arm. QWould one call this vaccination an experiment in the medical sense? ANo, this was an international known vaccine which is produced in all civilized countries, and has proved its value for many years. It is even less dang... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 919,350 | 919,850 |
an entry about this visit which you and Dr. Eyer made to Buchenwald on February 8, 1943, but it says something else too, namely, a number of vaccinations with yellow fever were performed beginning with the 9th of February and lasting for several months, and the yellow fever vaccine used for came from the OKH Institute ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 919,800 | 920,300 |
work on? A.He worked in the field of counter measures against the so-called bacteriological warfare. Q.How do you know that they were counter measures? A.He told me about it and he always said that they were working only on counter measures. For example, there was a Fuehrer order that only defense measures were to be w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 920,250 | 920,750 |
A.Yes, I know about that, especially since French firms produced this serum without phenol, but industry ostensibly could not work without phenol since they did not have enough trained personnel during the war and there was therefore danger of contamination by bacteria. Q.Was gangrene a frequent complication in wounds?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 920,700 | 921,200 |
service of the army. To whom were you directly subordinated? A.I was directly subordinate to Professor Schreiber. Q.And who did you have working under you? A.Under mo, Dr. Scholz, who was mentioned before, and Later after Dr. Scholz went into the field there was Dr. Keller, Dr. Peetschke, and a pharmacist, Dr. Lehmann,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 921,150 | 921,650 |
published in Germany, or have never heard from any report, that the opinion was held by certain hygienists that animal experimentation with typhus was not too good, not too reliable, because a good percentage of the animals had resistance to the disease? Are you swearing that you have never heard of that opinion, read ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 921,600 | 922,100 |
the Bearing Works. That is not true, is it? ANo, I did not say that. I say only that there were two vaccines from the Bearing Works. One vaccine was quite good, and another using the embryo, which we rejected on the basis of this opinion, which was considered less effective, and we did not use it. QDo you know a man na... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 922,050 | 922,550 |
Military Medical Academy in Berlin? ADuring that time, I was in Berlin, It is quite possible that I attended this meeting, at least I may have attended some of the lectures. QI assume you attended the lectures concerning hygienic problems? AThat may be. I couldn't tell you that for certain. QWell, did you usually atten... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 922,500 | 923,000 |
didn't they? ANo, the Wehrmacht made him available, as I said before, for the institution of a Typhus vaccination production of the industry, that is to say, Behring Works, only in order to increase production and in order to teach them of the technics which he developed. QThat is what I said, the Army made Weigl avail... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 922,950 | 923,450 |
Germany and I think in all of Europe producing the Weigl vaccine; one of them was the OKH Institute at Cracow, the OKH Institute at Lemberg, and the Behring Works at Lemberg, three places? AThat is quite correct, but I had no list at all about the amounts of vaccine or the way the vaccine was produced. It was not my ta... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 923,400 | 923,900 |
the Robert Koch Institute. AThe individual Wehrmacht branches were always trying to get vaccines through deviating channels since they were not satisfied with the distribution and in this way a Wehrmacht branch may have approached the Robert Koch Institute. That is quite possible. QWitness, about these lice which went ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 923,850 | 924,350 |
in very exposed places, is that right? AYes, that is correct. QI, therefore, assume that typhus vaccine must have been allocated with considerable care, is that right? AYes, according to the demands of the individual Wehrmacht branches, who naturally had to take all responsibility for these demands. We didn't know anyt... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 924,300 | 924,800 |
and the production of the typhus vaccine is very expensive, and that could have been the reason why industry was not very interested in this matter. A.Why did you send your man Scholz to this meeting on December 29, 1941? A.I don't know what you mean by that, Mr. Prosecutor. I didn't send him anywhere. Q.Witness, you h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 924,750 | 925,250 |
like industry, would have to test this vaccine. Q.Witness, you see it is not quite so simple because only six days later, January 6, 1942, Dr. Ding in Buchenwald started testing this egg yolk vaccine. That was the whole purpose of starting the experiments in Buchenwald on living human beings, during the course of which... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 925,200 | 925,700 |
place. QYou were just seeing the SS doctors in Weimar, is that right? AI don't quite get you. Would you please repeat? QI say, you were seeing only the SS doctors of this Commission in Weimar? AYes. We were to present this dissolution of the vaccine to the SS physicians at Weimar. QWhat SS doctors were on this Commissi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 925,650 | 926,150 |
camp, and demonstrated to five SS doctors, whose names you don't remember, except Dr. Ding, -- demonstrated how to break the neck of the ampule containing the vaccine and how to dissolve it; is that what you want the Tribunal to believe? AIt isn't so simply. You don't just have to break open the ampule, and then dissol... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 926,100 | 926,600 |
for us. Q.And you suggested the possibility that he kept four or five of these ampules of vaccine after you had been there and he might have conducted some tests of his own with those. Is that right? A.This possibility exists. Q.Well, I want to demonstrate it to you that there is no such possibility. Witness, you were ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 926,550 | 927,050 |
Q.Under 10 January 1983, can you see there the tested list of OP Numbers? A.Page 8, that is right. Q.Do you see under No. 5 and No. 8 that they had some Yellow fever vaccines from the OKH in Krakow. Do you suppose that they received that through the SS Medical Department to use like they did in the Weigl vaccines? A.No... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 927,000 | 927,500 |
usually used in military channels, can you say what the basic difference is whether you consider something as a visit or an inspection? A.The expression "inspection" is only used when one is concerned with official relationships of subordinates and superiors. If somebody visits without any official source, that is to s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 927,450 | 927,950 |
method which we carried through and which led us, I am sure, to a good end. Q.This method, no doubt, is a method which one would have adopted in normal times but didn't it take an extraordinarily long time until one could receive usable results? A.That is correct. Q.In the case of the emergency which you have mentioned... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 927,900 | 928,400 |
will you please give your name. A.Hans Hartlenben. Q.When and where were you born? A.On 25 January 1896 at Halle on Salle. Q.Will you please tell the Tribunal about your career. A.I attended a high school gymnasium in Halle on Saale, and Studied medicine in Freiburg, Breisgau and Halle. Then, in 1923 I entered the Army... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 928,350 | 928,850 |
Wehrmacht units, we have no copy of it, and the Prosecution is very unhappy about this because the powers of defendant Handloser was to have been regulated by this regulation. I do not want to interrupt you by question. Will you please tell us about the decree of 1942; the instructions, how it came about, how it was wr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 928,800 | 929,300 |
the more urgent the need became and the more necessary a certain unification was more necessary also because the branches of the Wehrmacht did not check upon one another and did not know whether one branch of the Wehrmacht, for example, had ordered more medical equipment than another. Then there was a necessity for a c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 929,250 | 929,750 |
or materials are co*** The Fuehrer decree was discussed and drafted and also the official instructions for the Chief of the High Command of the Wehrmacht, which was be issued for the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service. The inclusion of Professor Brandt was also discussed. Colonel Munch apparently had instructions f... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 929,700 | 930,200 |
to a quite considerable extent and this compromise is expressed in the fact that the official instructions, which I helped to dra* up, were relatively brief and were also in relatively general terms. First it stated that the holder of the office, that is, the future Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service in Wehrmacht m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 930,150 | 930,650 |
was a frequent distinction in German regulations between orders and instructions. This is a general word, a concrete term which was just in the case. Q.Then the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service directed, as you said, in general the Medical Service concerning those tasks which were recognized as joint ones and whi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 930,600 | 931,100 |
the Reich Labor Service, or the OT or something like that. As far as I recall, there was such a passage in these instructions of 1942. Q.Now, in order to make a clear picture of the relations between 1942 and September 1, 1944, the second decree concerning the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service and the second offic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 931,050 | 931,550 |
that was not in the first version, but I must say that this is only a compromise because these institutes were not subordinate. There is no talk of subordination here, it says under the Chief of the Medical Service, under the Chief of the High Command of the Wehrmacht, but it does not say who was under the Chief of the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 931,500 | 932,000 |
if these are things which affected the common interest; for example, hepititis epidemica, which you know, or typhus. ** this research a question which can be uniformly regulated? A.No, the uniform regulation of research would not serve the achieve ment of favorable results. In my opinion one can issue assignments on re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 931,950 | 932,450 |
the first regulation spoke only of instructions; a certain influence on the appointments to physicians, Generalarzt, and a certain power to issue orders on the spot during inspection in case of emergency. Those are the essential points, in my opinion. Q.Now concerning research I must ask the question, in what way was t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 932,400 | 932,900 |
Johann, whether you acknowledge them as right here under oath. A.Yes. Q.Not to repeat the examination of this witness on consulting physicians, I show the witness Hartleben HA 18 Exhibit 8, Document Book 1, Page 32, and I ask you, witness, have you read this statement of Professor Handloser? A.I have read the whole doc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 932,850 | 933,350 |
have objected as far as he had the opportunity. DR. NELTE:I thank you. I have no further questions to this witness. BY THE PRESIDENT: Q.Witness, were the army regulations of the German army published in printed form prior to 1939? A.I do not quite understand what regulations you mean. If I might ask you to explain a li... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 933,300 | 933,800 |
that organization? A.That would have been much too long. The Chief of the Medical Wehrmacht Service, in this case if he wanted to know something about a specific regiment, would presumably have turned to the medical chief of that branch of the Wehrmacht and asked him for the necessary information He was really in no po... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 933,750 | 934,250 |
according to the best medical knowledge. Q.A directive, then, could be disregarded by a medical officer of a regiment, brigade or division, if in his judgment, the directive was not correct, was not sound in principle? A.He had that liberty. In that case he probably would have consulted the others. Q.Did the medical di... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 934,200 | 934,700 |
States of America and this honorable Tribunal. There will be order in the court. THE PRESIDENT:Will the Marshal ascertain if the defendants are all present in court? THE MARSHAL:May it please Your Honors, all defendants are present in the court. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary General will note for the record the presence ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 934,650 | 935,150 |
of the members of my staff look this matter over. THE PRESIDENT:The matter may be postponed, at any rate, until after the morning recess. MR. HARDY:Thank You. THE PRESIDENT:If the affidavit will be immediately sent to the office of the Secretary General it will be translated in a few moments. DR. NELTE:Mr. President, t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 935,100 | 935,600 |
of the material and personnel in the field of medical research a common problem of all branches of the Wehrmacht requiring a coordinated and planned directive? AFirst, I may correct one thing, Professor Brandt was not the Chief in that matter, but according to the text of the Fuehrer's order, he is empowered to conduct... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 935,550 | 936,050 |
Service of the Wehrmacht to coordinate and direct medical research, if such coordination and directions were necessary; is that true? AYes, if it proved necessary and if he is examined to that effect, he will be able to reach a decision. He would presumably sit down at a round table and discuss the thing first. You can... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 936,000 | 936,500 |
the highest Chief Medical Officer of the Wehrmacht? AIn this specific case, he could only ask for information from the medical Chiefs of the Army, Navy, Luftwaffe, and possibly of the Waffen-SS. QWitness, I ask for information if I have a particular reason for asking information. I want you to tell me what you would co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 936,450 | 936,950 |
all orders issued through military channels to the troops, and they are orders which affect the life of the troops. QIs there a military troop order in the medical service? AYes, that exists. I was just about to give an example. In combatting epidemics, if it is, for example, in the opinion of the chief medical officer... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 936,900 | 937,400 |
so that they know that in treating their pneumonia patients they will have a better opportunity. That is a typical incident of the medical service generals. This difference was clearly expressed in the regulation that all questions or all orders affecting the troops as a whole in any form had to go through military cha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 937,350 | 937,850 |
point of view that if someone is a higher superior, a specialized, technical superior, he is the superior of everyone under him in the hierarchy. Is that true? AAs you indicated, there is a distinction made between the immediate superior and the higher superior. If I specify supervisory authority, the immediate superio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 937,800 | 938,300 |
Army Group Physician was responsible to the Army Medical Inspector and the Corps Physician or Army Physician was responsible to the Army Group Physician. But it was a little different with the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service. The Army Medical Inspector, the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe and the C... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 938,250 | 938,750 |
to explore that entire field upon the assumption, the postulate, that the Court has given you. A.First of all I will assume that there was no knowledge that the Chief of the Wehrmacht Medical Service knew nothing about it, then there must have been someone who either ordered such experiments, or the person who conducte... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 938,700 | 939,200 |
about a personnel change. On the other hand, what I have called service regulations, Dienstanweisung, these are service regulations issued for this individual case, and signed by Hitler in the case of the Fuehrererlass, and the service regulations describe the duties and are signed by Field Marshall Keitel. Those were ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 939,150 | 939,650 |
The father is a civilian, and has no connection with any military authorities. He visits his son in the hospital, and thinks he sees something wrong. This person is, of course, above if he does not prefer to go to the doctor in charge of the hospital or to the higher superior in that town, no one can prevent him from w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 939,600 | 940,100 |
could not see conditions anymore. I can only speak from my knowledge from the beginning of this development, at the beginning until I left. As far as I remember there was only the Chief of Staff and one Medical Officer from the Navy and a few clerical personnel, but there was no one else who was directly subordinate. I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 940,050 | 940,550 |
case by submission of a few documents. I believe that the Tribunal now has the third document bank. THE PRESIDENT:We have not seen it. Will you hand that to Dr. Nelte? Counsel, there are several documents in Books 1 and 2 which have not been offered in evidence. Is it your intention to offer these or are they to be aba... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 940,500 | 941,000 |
to the deaconesses, but also that he above them preference since they were nursing for religious grounds." Then, at the bottom it says: "Later I was always able to notice that in the most important points of contact between the sisters and the doctors men were almost always used who heeded such last desires. I always w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 940,950 | 941,450 |
statement. What value you assign to this, to the contents of this document is another question. I ask that this document be admitted as such. THE PRESIDENT:The offered exhibit states that it is written in reply to a letter fr a Dr. Nelte of January 4. If Dr. Nelte would submit a copy of the letter which he wrote to Dr.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 941,400 | 941,900 |
weight of the testimony of the witness will before the Tribunal to determine. MR. McHANEY:In view of the Tribunal's ruling, unless the Tribunal itself wishes to hear the witness or unless there is any compelling reason on the part of defense counsel to have him appear personally, we mill agree to the admission of the a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 941,850 | 942,350 |
was apparently informed because no represenative of the Sanitary Inspectorate of tho Luftwaffe was present. As soon as I could free myself, I drove from the office in Templehof to the Reich Air Ministry. As I know for certain that I did not see the film, I can only have arrived after the film had come to an end. The di... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 942,300 | 942,800 |
believes that they will have an official character which a letter will also have in a private character. I only want to point put this again that the Prior of the Abbey Maria Laach had this authority. The same a plies to the Prior of Abbey Maria Laach. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal is of the opinion that the Exhibit, the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 942,750 | 943,250 |
it in the third art of the index, the affidavit of Professor Siegmund, dated 29 January 1947. THE PRESIDENT:I misunderstood the Counsel. He is referring to document Handloser 47, is that correct? DR. NELTE:Yes, it is document HA-47, an affidavit by Professor Siegmund THE PRESIDENT:I understood the Counsel to say HA-43.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 943,200 | 943,700 |
I was during that time attached as Consulting Pathologist to the Army Physician. During the position a warfare in the Eifel in the autumn and winter of 1939/40, as well as during the advance through France as far as Dijon, I was in constant touch with him on official duty as well as privately. When, after the end of th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 943,650 | 944,150 |
as possible and as proved methods as possible be put at the service of the soldiers who were under his command and entrusted to him. During the positional war already he organized training courses for medical officers, during which all practical problems of medicine and medical service were discussed by outstanding exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 944,100 | 944,600 |
any harm. I still remember excited discussions on the introduction of sulfonamide prophylaxis for combat units, on the efficacy of a preserved blood or of other means of replacing blood, on the necessity of a prophylactic tetanus vaccination in cases of burns and freezing, on the possibilities of a protective vaccinati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 944,550 | 945,050 |
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