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small correction-a little misunderstanding which I think I can clear up. While examining the witness, the Tribunal has just mentioned a commander in the occupied territories. I should like to be permitted to ask the witness whether he meant the commanders of the Security Police or the commanders-in-chief of the Securit... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 16,200 | 16,700 |
men of those villages for helping the partisans. I draw the Tribunal's attention just to these two sentences again at the beginning which say: "On 20 July 1942 the village of Hrastnigg and part of the villages of Kanker and Savoden were destroyed and the entire male population shot. The remainder were deported. The mea... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 16,650 | 17,150 |
with them? THE PRESIDENT: These are not documents which have already been put in evidence, are they? COL. KAREV: No, Mr. President; these documents have been presented and accepted by the Tribunal, although not in connection with the activity of the Gestapo but with regard to other questions; therefore, I should like t... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 17,100 | 17,600 |
the Tribunal I shall call the witness Hoeppner. [The witness Hoeppner took the stand.] THE PRESIDENT: Will you state your full name? ROLF HEINZ HOEPPNER (Witness): Rolf Heinz Hoeppner. THE PRESIDENT: Will you repeat this oath after me: I swear by God-the Almighty and Omniscient-that I will speak the pure truth-and will... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 17,550 | 18,050 |
special SD formation of the SS subordinate? HOEPPNER: The special SD formation of the SS was subordinate to the Chief of the Security Police and the SD. DR. GAWLIK: Who belonged to this special formation? HOEPPNER: This special formation consisted of, first the members of the intelligence branch of the Security Service... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 18,000 | 18,500 |
the development of the SD until the establishment of the Reich Security Main Office and particularly to the question, whether during this time it was one of the duties of the SD to collaborate with others on a common plan and conspiracy. When was the SD domestic intelligence service established? HOEPPNER: The SD was es... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 18,450 | 18,950 |
to the trial brief against the SS, Page VIII B of the English text, VIII B at the top, Lines 1 and 2. [Turning to the witness.] Please answer the question. HOEPPNER: In answer to this question I have to start with my own observations which I made when I entered the Security Service in the beginning of 1934 and with wha... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 18,900 | 19,400 |
more scientific and statistical way so that the Party would have material for training and other tasks. The ultimate aim was to become the Party's sole political intelligence and counterintelligence service, from about July 1934 onward, something which, by the way, was never achieved, since there continued to be an eno... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 19,350 | 19,850 |
examined before the Commission for 2 days and now perhaps I shall present that material in 1 to 11h, or 2 hours. But I thought that it was precisely these various objectives of the Security Service for each year that would be of interest to the High Tribunal. THE PRESIDENT: Well, will you try to present the summary wit... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 19,800 | 20,300 |
of the SD make a common and general agreement to participate in crimes against peace, against the laws of war, or against humanity? HOEPPNER: No. THE PRESIDENT: Would that be a convenient time to break off? [A recess was taken.] DR. GAWLIK: During the period from 1934 until 1939 did the members of the SD pursue the aim... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 20,250 | 20,750 |
root from which the various branches grew." Will you comment on that with regard to the domestic intelligence service? HOEPPNER: That could not be true for the domestic intelligence service because only about 10 percent of the regular workers had come from the General SS, and because at least 90 percent of all the hono... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 20,700 | 21,200 |
the speech by Himmler about the organization and objectives of the SS and the Police. This concerns Documents 1852-PS and 1992-PS. Do you know the book by Dr. Best and do you know that speech by Himmler concerning the organization and objectives of the SS and Police? HOEPPNER: On broad lines, yes. DR. GAWLIK: Please gi... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 21,150 | 21,650 |
Service had the task of ... DR. GAWLIK: Can you first answer the question with "yes" or "no"? HOEPPNER: No. DR. GAWLIK: Now please give me your reasons. HOEPPNER: The Security Service had a different task. It had the assignment of observing the effects of the measures taken by the leaders of the State, the Party, the e... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 21,600 | 22,100 |
may comment briefly on that circular letter of 11 November 1938. We are concerned here with the fact that for the first time an agreement had been made between the Security Service and an office of the State. The chief purpose of this agreement was that the Security Service was thereby officially and publicly recognize... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 22,050 | 22,550 |
question, in the way it has been put, must be answered by "no." It is not true that any units of that organization were transferred to the Einsatzgruppen. If individual members of the SD entered the Einsatzgrupppn or Einsatzkommandos, then it is comparable to military induction. Just as a civil servant who is drafted i... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 22,500 | 23,000 |
to do with. that. DR. GAWLIK: Did the SD hold any third-degree interrogations? This question refers to Item VI L. HOEPPNER: The Security Service did not carry out any interrogations at all, consequently not any with the third degree. DR. GAWLIK: Will you briefly describe the aims, tasks, activities, and methods of the ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 22,950 | 23,450 |
activities of the SD. This will be Exhibit USA-918. Dr. Hoettl executed this affidavit on 5 November 1945. 1 quote: "It was the task of the SD to inform its chief, Himmler, and through him the Nazi regime about all matters within Germany, the occupied territories, and the other foreign countries. This task was carried ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 23,400 | 23,900 |
brief, states: "The Einsatzgruppen and the Einsatzkommandos weie coninianded by personnel of the Gestapo, the SD, or the Criminal Police ... Additional men were detailed from the regular Police-" and dropping down a few lines- "Usually the smaller units were led by members..." HOEPPNER: May I interrupt you? Excuse me, ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 23,850 | 24,350 |
affidavit which has not previously been read into evidence. It is the affidavit of Hermann Friedrich Gräbe. I am sure the Tribunal will recall that affidavit where this German citizen recounted the SS and SD men shooting large numbers of helpless individuals, the document which was referred to by the Attorney General ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 24,300 | 24,800 |
well have been commanded by the chief of Amt IV or V, or by an inspector or anybody else. That has nothing to do with the activity of Ohlendorf as chief of Amt III. MAJOR MURRAY: Now, Ohlendorf has testified that frequent reports were compiled by the Einsatzgruppen and sent back to the headquarters. Did you see any of ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 24,750 | 25,250 |
is a report of your chief, Heydrich, and I won't enlarge on the point. Turn now to Pages 31 and 32. It is at the bottom of Page 32 in Heydrich's ... HOEPPNER: One moment, please. There is no Page 31 or 32 in my document. MAJOR MURRAY: It is a very short passage. I will read it to you: "In White Ruthenia the purge of Je... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 25,200 | 25,700 |
and understand nothing about these things. MAJOR MURRAY: Of course, when they were all part of the SD I mean they were all members of the SD. I have no more questions. THE PRESIDENT: Would you re-examine if you want to? Did the Soviet prosecutor want to ask any questions? CHIEF COUNSELLOR OF JUSTICE L. N. SMIRNOV (Assi... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 25,650 | 26,150 |
loose documents. Is it the one of 27 February? THE PRESIDENT: 27 February 1942, Page 17. Have you got it? HOEPPNER: Yes, I have it. THE PRESIDENT: First of all you see it says "...regarding report Number 9 concerning the activity of the Einsatzgruppen of the Security Police and the SD in the U.S.S.R."-and then the firs... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 26,100 | 26,600 |
Breslau and Dresden, et cetera, who certainly had nothing to do with the activity of the Einsatzgruppen-to the Reich Defense Commissioners in Königsberg, Stettin, Breslau. THE PRESIDENT: Well, then, your answer is that Heydrich made a mistake when he described it as the activity of the Einsatzgruppen of the Security P... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Second Day | 26,550 | 26,902 |
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-at the head of the document. Does it appear somewhere else? MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Your translation probably does not have it, Mr. President. The original has it. We submitted copies of two different documents and I am afraid the mistake might have been caused by the fact that your translation is not the translation ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 450 | 950 |
Page 3 of the document. You testified yesterday that the SD had nothing to do with the staffing of the Einsatzkommandos. I am going to read an excerpt here. Perhaps you will find an answer there. It is Item II: "The staffing of the offices of the SD"-I draw your attention to the "offices of the SD"-"should be effected ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 900 | 1,400 |
starting or distribution centers, where they will receive the material on hand." Then I omit the next paragraph and pass to the next page of the Russian text which follows right after the list of cities. It is Page 4 of the English text: "As soon as any district is free from the enemy, that is, when it is occupied, the... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 1,350 | 1,850 |
as in the SD." Would you not say that this shows that it was precisely the SD that took the leading part in the Einsatzkommandos and that the Einsatz groups carried on their criminal activity under the guidance of SD officials? HOEPPNER: I read nothing here about criminal activity. And as far as the SD is concerned I w... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 1,800 | 2,300 |
special purposes." After seeing that, do you still deny that there was any direct relation between the SD and the SS units and the organization of the activity of the Einsatz groups? HOEPPNER: From this paragraph, in any case, it is not evident. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: In that case, how should we interpret the sentence... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 2,250 | 2,750 |
end of 2, the last words of which are "deprived of passports, et cetera." The next paragraph is 3, small 3, Arabic 3-"It is imperative to speed up..." MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: That is right, Mr. President. THE PRESIDENT: We want the whole of the document from there. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Yes, Mr. President. "It is imp... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 2,700 | 3,200 |
checked over in the translating division. The transcripts will be checked over against the original document. Now, you were reading II, Paragraph 2 (a), beginning with the words, "Training of suitable persons," were you not? MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: That is right, Mr. President. May I continue? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. MR. C... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 3,150 | 3,650 |
addressed to Dr. Best has no date, but the next document has a date, and it is the following document that I consider extremely important. I would like the Tribunal's permission to submit it. It is a very short document, signed by Schellenberg: "Berlin, 13 September 1938, State Chancellery 1 113, to the Chief of Amt II... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 3,600 | 4,100 |
MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Yes, Mr. President. The witness has it before him already. HOEPPNER: Yes; I have a photostatic copy here. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Mr. President, I should like to ask the witness the following question. Witness, tell me this. Did not the confidential agents of the SD make and keep a list of perso... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 4,050 | 4,550 |
you acquainted with the name of Ehrlinger? HOEPPNER: Yes. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Who was Ehrlinger? HOEPPNER: I know Ehrlinger only from a later period. He was the last chief of Amt I of the Reich Security Main Office. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: He was also a member of the SD, was he not? HOEPPNER: He also belonged to th... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 4,500 | 5,000 |
must be another document attached to another letter. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Please look at the circles around "Einsatzkommando." Do you. recognize any of the names within those circles? HOEPPNER: No. On the document which is appended to the letter signed by Obersturmfuehrer Scheidler? MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Do you re... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 4,950 | 5,450 |
Einsatzkommando. Actually, later, when the German troops marched into Czechoslovakia, there went along units of the Security Police and of the SD which, just like the Einsatzkommandos and the Einsatzgruppen in the East, were mobile units of a very special nature, which had been newly set up and had entirely new tasks, ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 5,400 | 5,900 |
as I know. No, he only ... THE PRESIDENT: Well, he had no competence, as you call it, in the Domestic Information Service of the SD? HOEPPNER: As far as I can remember, he was only in charge of the motor transportation of the SD main office-also for the Domestic Information Service. THE PRESIDENT: Doesn7t that chart sh... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 5,850 | 6,350 |
of Poles." The text follows: "I have repeatedly pointed out to you the necessity of paying special attention to the Poles. For that reason, I am giving below the speech of the Reichsfuehrer SS, Himmler, delivered on 15 March 1940 at the meeting of the concentration camp commanders in former Poland, and according to the... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 6,300 | 6,800 |
persons to be annihilated? HOEPPNER: Yes, I deny that. MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: I have no more questions. THE PRESIDENT: What evidence is there that this document was found in the SD headquarters? MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: It was not found in the SD headquarters. That was not properly translated. THE PRESIDENT: Your answe... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 6,750 | 7,250 |
document. I am very sorry about the mistake. You will receive the certificate. THE PRESIDENT: I see-and the certificate you have identifies the translation in Russian? Is that right? MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Mr. President, yesterday I myself verified the translation which I have with the original, and I have found it to... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 7,200 | 7,700 |
under Exhibits Number USA-175 and USA-174, and it is stated here in the places underlined that the head of the Department III A was Gengenbach-that is the same man who is to be found in the chart. I have no further questions to put to the witness, Mr. President. THE PRESIDENT: Has the speech of Himmler, dated 15 March ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 7,650 | 8,150 |
this chart? HOEPPNER: As far as the chart shows, parts of the organi-zation were not used but only individual members of the Security Service, just as in the case of the State Police too. The same will probably have applied as later in connection with the Einsatz-gruppen in the East, that is, it can be compared with be... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 8,100 | 8,600 |
Himmler. I am speaking of the orders of the head of the Blockstelle. DR. GAWLIK: But the instructions are in the speech by Himmler-or do you mean the instructions in the first sentence "to give especial attention to Poland"? The head of the Blockstelle in Mogilno will, of course, have cared for the Poles in the same wa... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 8,550 | 9,050 |
of the Security Police and of the SD. That was something quite different from the Einsatzkommandos. DR. GAWLIK: Who were the officers superior to the Komman-deure? HOEPPNER: Of which Kommandeure? DR. GAWLIK: Of the Security Police and of the SD. HOEPPNER: The commanders of the Security Police and the SD. DR. GAWLIK: Wh... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 9,000 | 9,500 |
the customary schooling I graduated in 1930, then studied the German language and literature, German history, and Protestant theology. From 1936 on I was assistant at the Uni-versity of Bonn; from 1939 to 1940, military service; in 1940 deferred for the University of Bonn and emergency service in the Reich Security Mai... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 9,450 | 9,950 |
leaders of the Party and State as partners of a conspiracy and to keep them in power? RÃSSNER: No. Amt III never had such a task and did not set up such a task for itself. The task of the information service of Amt III was to furnish an extensive and objective picture of the domestic problems of German internal life a... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 9,900 | 10,400 |
out information on personnel data by the SD? RÃSSNER: This was to supplement the political judgment and purely specialized judgment of the individual Party offices and departments and present if possible a total picture of the per-sonality, character, professional ability, political attitude, and, personal way of livi... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 10,350 | 10,850 |
possible a percentage of non-Party members among these agents of the SD so as to get a complete and independent picture of the total situation within Germany through these agents. DR. GAWLIK: Did the agents have to be members of the SS? RÃSSNER: No, the percentage of members of the SS among these agents was, according... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 10,800 | 11,300 |
had no executive power. DR. GAWLIK: Can you give any further explanation of the individual documents? RÃSSNER: The documents all refer to the Secret State Police, the Gestapo. One document merely mentions the chief of Amt III. The document of the Armed Forces also refers to the Gestapo. DR. GAWLIK: Was the SD, the Dom... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 11,250 | 11,750 |
the SD and Rosenberg were to co-operate closely in the confiscation of public and private collections." Was there any such close co-operation between the SD and the staff of the Defendant Rosenberg, his agencies, or any of his deputies? RÃSSNER: No. In this document we are again confronted by the customary mistake con... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 11,700 | 12,200 |
with the Security Police? RÃSSNER: To my knowledge as responsible head of a depart-ment, no such common purpose existed. DR. GAWLIK: Did the SD on its own initiative have and realize any such program? RÃSSNER: No. That would have been against all the principles of our work. DR. GAWIAK: Did the SD, Amt III, actually e... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 12,150 | 12,650 |
to Amt IV would have taken too long, and for that reason this planned transfer was undertaken in the form of an order so as to save time for the work. DR. GAWLIK: Will you now comment on Page 29 of the Prose-cution document? That is record Number 18. Will you look at the first two sentences. Can it not be seen from tha... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 12,600 | 13,100 |
not seem from that that the SD had an intelligence service on opponents in the sphere of the Church? RÃSSNER: No; it indicates exactly the opposite. The decree in front of me is dated August 1941, that is to say, after the order separating the two services. If the SD, on the basis of this order of separation, had tran... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 13,050 | 13,550 |
III of the SD have the fundamental task and aim of persecuting the churches, or preparing a general persecution of the Church, and did it work at all for the perse-cution of the Church-that is to say, in the period between 1939 until the order of separation of 12 May 1941? RÃSSNER: No, Amt III never did at any time re... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 13,500 | 14,000 |
a fact, Witness, that before the seizure of power by the Nazi Party, the SD was a secret and illegal organ-ization? RÃSSNER: May I ask again-did you say before the seizure of power? M. MONNERAY: Yes, before the -seizure of power. RÃSSNER: I cannot say anything about that, as I was not a member of the SD. M.MONNERAY: ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 13,950 | 14,450 |
are carrying on, each in its own sector, the fight against the enemies of the Reich and of the people." Further on, this appeal requests material and information about the activities of the Sipo and the SD: "For instance, in particular, articles, reports, or pictures are to be sent in on the following subjects: The his... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 14,400 | 14,900 |
fight carried out by the SD on the one hand and the Gestapo oil the other hand and jointly, too, against hostile groups, reference is really being made to a fight which is going on inside the country, is that right? RÃSSNER: Yes, although nothing is said thereby about the task of the domestic SD. M. MONNERAY: You told... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 14,850 | 15,350 |
the same training as the young candidates who wished to enter the Gestapo or the Kripo? RÃSSNER: I am not acquainted with the training of candidates for the SD in detail. I know only that the head of Amt III repeatedly, from year to year, raised positive objections to a certain -planned uniformity of the training. How... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 15,300 | 15,800 |
this opinion: "In procuring the data for that estimate the competent Hoheitstrdger, the technical office and the SD must be heard. Political information can be given by all offices of the Party and particularly by the offices of the SD." RÃSSNER: I said clearly this morning that the SD was allowed to give information ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 15,750 | 16,250 |
who were so honorable and so disinterested, had even falsified the ballot papers. And since this concerns an actual fact, you probably want to tell us that it is an isolated instance? RÃSSNER: I would like again to repeat most emphatically before the High Tribunal that this document does not refer to the SD but to one... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 16,200 | 16,700 |
submitted in evidence and I understand, Mr. President, that you do not wish me to inter-rogate on that document. THE PRESIDENT: Well, if there is any particular reason for asking this witness questions upon this document, you may ask them; but there is no use putting a document to him if he has never seen it before, if... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 16,650 | 17,150 |
objective statements, but that they definitely take a favorable view of the official policy of the Nazi State. I submit another document, Document Number 1298-PS, which becomes Exhibit RF-1545, concerning slave labor by workers in Germany. In this document the person who wrote the report, who was an agent of the SD, af... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 17,100 | 17,600 |
for Amt III-had no organizations which were directly subordinate to it, but only individual SD agents of Amt III who carried out the specific SD tasks in the occupied territories. M. MONNERAY: Amt VI of the RSHA looked after the SD abroad, did it not? RÃSSNER: Yes. M. MONNERAY: And it had its representatives within th... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 17,550 | 18,050 |
ask permission merely to read an extract of Document R-112. THE PRESIDENT: Is this new? M. MONNERAY: It is a document which has already been offered in evidence, Exhibit USA-309. THE PRESIDENT: Then you must not refer to it because the witness says he does not know anything about it. M. MONNERAY: I would like merely to... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 18,000 | 18,500 |
the last paragraph of this order, signed by Streckenbach: "In execution of the current control of re-Germanization, the SD (head) Abschnitte in the old Reich territory..." THE PRESIDENT: One moment. As far as I understand the document it clearly applies to Amt III. Well, why do you not put it to him? M. MONNERAY: I sho... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 18,450 | 18,950 |
the SD. I cannot judge, therefore, what the SD actually did, as these are two entirely different offices. As far as I know, the competent Gruppenleiter has already been heard before the Commission. M. MONNERAY: You are still not answering the question. Is it true, "yes" or "no," that according to this text the SD colla... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 18,900 | 19,400 |
have no more witnesses, have you? DR. GAWLIK: I have no more witnesses, Mr. President. THE PRESIDENT: In what order is it that the counsel for the organizations wish to proceed now? DR. EGON KUBUSCHOK (Counsel for Reich Cabinet): It has been ruled that the witnesses for the Reich Government will be examined now. THE PR... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 19,350 | 19,850 |
toward Von Hindenburg, or perhaps even embarrassed. Now he was filled with the thought that he was the executor of the popular will. Perhaps that can be explained by the facts that Hitler had directed all his activities to winning over the masses; that he now saw success; that he believed he had judged the will of the ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 19,800 | 20,300 |
and Reich," was issued because the cumbersome machinery of the Reichstag worked too slowly and laws had to be created speedily. The Enabling Act was intended as a temporary solution only and for that reason it was limited to 4 years; later it was repeatedly extended. DR. KUBUSCHOK: For what reasons were special courts ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 20,250 | 20,750 |
newspapers or radio. The Reich Minister of Justice, Dr. Guertner, as I know for certain from him himself, was not informed beforehand of the intention to issue these laws. DR. KUBUSCHOK: What was the purpose of the taking-over of the administration of Justice by the Reich? SCHLEGELBERGER: This was primarily due to the ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 20,700 | 21,200 |
means to influence justice was to criticize sentences of judges that they did not like. This criticism was made by the SS newspaper Schwarzes Korps. THE PRESIDENT: Wait a minute. How does this evidence bear on the Reich Cabinet? DR. KUBUSCHOK: The witness is particularly familiar with conditions in the Ministry of Just... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 21,150 | 21,650 |
view was that frequent meetings of the Cabinet members were undesirable. From 1938 on he firmly prevented all attempts to return to the form of Cabinet meetings; he even expressly prohibited unofficial meetings such as "beer evenings." DR.KUBUSCHOK: Did you and Minister of Justice Guertner, before the outbreak of the w... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 21,600 | 22,100 |
and in which he is greatly interested personally. I believe that if this question, which in my opinion is not relevant, is to be discussed at all, we cannot avoid calling the witness who made the affidavit himself; he live near Munich. I also believe that this affidavit is not suitable to prove the credibility of the w... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 22,050 | 22,550 |
the Reich Cabinet had more than 100 meetings and passed numerous laws? Is that correct? SCHLEGELBERGER: Yes. DR. KEMPNER: Is it true that the Cabinet continued to pass and promulgate laws even without formal session, by circulating drafts of the laws among the Cabinet members? Is this correct? SCHLEGELBERGER: It is tru... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 22,500 | 23,000 |
this letter. This will be my last question. And this will become Exhibit Number USA-923. Do you remember now that you put you signature under this terrible document? SCHLEGELBERGER: Yes, I remember; yes, I remember it. DR. KEMPNER: You remember that the Party and that the Defendant Frick proposed to sterilize all Jews ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 22,950 | 23,450 |
Go on. DR. DIX: Dr. Schlegelberger, was Hitler's signature necessary for the dismissal of a minister? SCHLEGELBERGER: Yes. DR.DIX: Do you recall that not immediately after 1933, but later, perhaps during the war only, Hitler expressly prohibited Reich ministers from handing in their resignation? SCHLEGELBERGER: I may s... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 23,400 | 23,900 |
put to me, I have no reason to deny the correctness of an eye-and-ear witness. DR. DIX: Thank you very much. I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT: I think we will adjourn now. [The Tribunal adjourned until 3 August 1946 at 1000 hours.] One Hundred Ninty-Second Day Volume 20 Menu One Hundred Ninety-Fourth Day Nure... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Third Day | 23,850 | 23,995 |
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will consider the application DR. SIEMERS: I would like to add one thing, Mr. President had previously asked and I had been told by the General Secretary that no difficulties would arise from this and that if I wanted t( speak to Admiral Buerckner again I could do so. So I did not think at the time that such great diff... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 450 | 950 |
reproduction and, thirdly, part-Jews of the first degree who still had children living who were not half-Jews themselves. There still remained, there-fore, only a limited number of part-Jews of the first degree. With regard to these, I proposed that they be given the opportunity to escape deportation by being sterilize... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 900 | 1,400 |
the testimony he gave to the commissioner, and I imagine the Tribunal itself may well want to question Sievers. It is in any event my intention, if you will allow me, to put these documents in. I do not think it will take much more time if I put them to the witness himself. THE PRESIDENT: The witness of whom you are sp... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 1,350 | 1,850 |
basis of the exculpating documents found in this way, to continue to examine witnesses before the Commission just as the Prosecution has now requested in the case of the witness Sievers. One can see that the Prosecution was able to produce further incriminating evidence only by a thorough investigation of the documenta... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 1,800 | 2,300 |
should be put to the witness before the Tribunal. As to Dr. Pelckmhnn's objections that the Defense are not being treated fairly with reference to the investigation of the documents, the Tribunal thinks there is no foundation for this complaint. It would not be proper to allow the Defense to have what is in- the nature... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 2,250 | 2,750 |
just as I am going to try to pause after each answer. In 1928 did the SS have its own commander or was it under the commander of the SA? VON EBERSTEIN: In 1928 the SS was under the Supreme SA Leadership. The Chief of Staff at that time was a Captain Von Pfeffer. Himmler was not yet Reichsfuehrer of the SS. The SS was l... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 2,700 | 3,200 |
criminal? VON EBERSTEIN: I stood at all times for Germany, in keeping with the tradition of my family; and so when I became a member of the Party and of the SS, I felt that I was fulfilling a patriotic duty. Moreover, before 1933 a great number of aristocrats and members of German princely houses joined the SS, such as... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 3,150 | 3,650 |
Thuringia approximately 45 or 50 SS men. At the Reich Party rally there were SS men from all Germany, approximately 700 men. In 1930 there were election fights in Thuringia, which necessitated the intensified commitment of these few SS men in order to protect the speakers. There can be no question of any other service ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 3,600 | 4,100 |
until 1935, and at that time about 50,000 to 60,000 members throughout the entire Reich were released from the SS. HERR PELCKMANN: Was it necessary to be a Party member in order to be admitted to the General SS? VON EBERSTEIN: No, not at all. I already mentioned that before. HERR PELCKMANN: But if Party membership was ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 4,050 | 4,550 |
by the use of violence? VON EBERSTEIN: No, under no circumstances. Indeed the SS had no influence at all on these matters. HERR PELCKMANN: Was not the SS particularly strict to see to it that points of the Party program should not be realized by individual actions? VON EBERSTEIN: Even before 1933 there were extraordina... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 4,500 | 5,000 |
PELCKMANN: I quote from Document Number SS-5 which will be submitted later: "The General SS is entirely an organization of professional men." This is a quotation from a publication, National Political Course for the Armed Forces Organization and Duties of the SS and the German Police: "The greatest duties are imposed u... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 4,950 | 5,450 |
PELCKMANN: Had you already heard before this date that R61un was plotting a so-called Putsch? VON EBERSTEIN: Yes, about 8 days before 30 June 1934, 1 was ordered to Berlin by Himmler where the latter officially informed me that R6hm was planning a coup d'état and gave me orders to hold my SS men in a state of quiet re... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 5,400 | 5,900 |
General SS? VON EBERSTEIN: No; in no way. This order of the State leadership was executed by the political police. I could neither have supported it nor prevented it. HERR PELCIWANN: Did you believe that Röhm was actually planning a treasonable undertaking and that the danger for the German Government and the German p... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 5,850 | 6,350 |
don't you, as we have said over and over again, that we don't want to have the evidence given before the Commission repeated before us. What we wish is to have a summary and only the most important points dealt with and any new points; and, of course, we wish to see the witnesses in order to see whether they are credib... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 6,300 | 6,800 |
When I came to the Odeon Platz it was reported to me that a synagogue was burning and that the firemen were being interfered with. Shortly thereafter I received a telephone call from the Chief Magistrate (Landrat) of Munich who told me that Planegg Castle on the Munich city limits, which belonged to the Jewish Baron Hi... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 6,750 | 7,250 |
stop it. We don't want to hear the details of how he tried to stop it. HERR PELCKATANN: What orders, Witness, did you give to the General SS against participating in the excesses and did the SS subordinate to you obey these orders? VON EBERSTEIN: I told BrigadeFuehrer Diehm that I strictly prohibited any action and I t... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 7,200 | 7,700 |
Waffen-SS to the last man. HERR PELCKMANN: And so there were no more regular duties, such as you have described as existing in peacetime? VON EBERSTEIN: No. There were even no men left for the tasks which still had to be performed, that is, the support of the work of the welfare detachments of the Waffen-SS, the care f... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 7,650 | 8,150 |
HERR PELCKMANN: Is the assertion of the Prosecution correct that the Higher SS and Police Leader established very 'Close con-nections between the General SS and the Police? VON EBERSTEIN: No. The SS and Police were separate organi-zations and were only united at the top, in the person of Himmler. The General SS and the... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 8,100 | 8,600 |
following three positions have any basic connection with each other: First, the Police President, secondly, the Higher SS and Police Leader, and thirdly, the SS Oberab-schnittsfuehrer? As a matter of fundamental principle, did these three have any personal connection in their structure? VON EBERSTEIN: No, that in Munic... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 8,550 | 9,050 |
the SS Oberabschnitt of the General SS at the same time, not otherwise. I ask to be allowed to add something to my previous answer. The Higher SS and Police Leader had the right, but not the duty, to carry out inspections, and he could make suggestions. For my part, I am only in a position to testify on the activities ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 9,000 | 9,500 |
know which of the two agreements applies here, but in any case it meant that pris-oners should receive proper treatment. HERR PELCKMANN: In spite of this, did the lynching of fliers occur in the district under you? VON EBERSTEIN: No. Lynchings did not occur, but, unfor-tunately, there were some shootings of fliers. It ... | Yale Avalon (proceedings_vol20): One Hundred and Ninety-Fourth Day | 9,450 | 9,950 |
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