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activity of the Reich Commissar? A.I can hardly make any comment on that. Q.Can you tell me in particular about the deportations in Alsace-Lorraine and Luxembourg? Who had the initiative in connection with these? A.In these territories, it is clear that the respective chiefs of the administration took the initiative. Q... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 163,350 | 163,850 |
TRENCK: Thank you, Your Honor. Q.What was the collaboration that existed between these various agencies? Of what kind was it? These agencies which were active for the Reich Commissar, particularly what was their independence as far as their own work was concerned and what was their relationship to Himmler? A.The chiefs... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 163,800 | 164,300 |
there, out I don't believe that this was according to the same system as DVL. Q.It didn't have this name there, did it? Namely, what we understand under DVL and the procedure which we understand to be governed by DVL didn't exist there? A.No, not as far as I remember. Q.Thank you. CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. MERKEL (for t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 164,250 | 164,750 |
today, but I can remember that the demarkation of jurisdiction was discussed at that time in connection with these matters. QWas the defendant Creutz a member of the highest reviewing court which you mentioned at various occasions? AI saw him attend sessions of the supreme court, reviewing, but I don't believe he was a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 164,700 | 165,200 |
Dr. Fehndrich particularly functioned as liaison officer between the Main Staff Office and the RSHA? That he was mentioned such function? AYes, I believe there were provisions for such a function. QDo you know whether this was actually carried out or was there such a provision as you say? AEssentially this was in theor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 165,150 | 165,650 |
IV or DVL? AMeasures of a security police nature in connection with members of DVL were handled by the RSHA. As far as it referred to purely economic measures, that is property and so on, this was handled by the Main Staff Office. QAnd which was the first in time, that is, in the RSHA or in the Main Staff Office? AYou ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 165,600 | 166,100 |
the immigration center as far as you recall was created in November 1939. Is it not correct that it had already been created in October 1939, that is, at the time when Baltic deportations were first started? A.It may have happened a few weeks before but in any case it was created for the purpose of registering the Balt... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 166,050 | 166,550 |
(for the defendant Meyer-Hetling): Q.I would ask the Tribunal to continue the examination for the defendant Meyer-Hetling. Witness, in your direct examination you stated that you came in contact constantly with several men of the Main Staff Office, mainly, Fehndich, Schubert, and Dr. Stier. Did one of these gentlemen d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 166,500 | 167,000 |
beginning it was also subordinated to Dr. Fehnrich, and later on to Dr. Stier. Q.- Did the defendant Meyer at the Main Staff Office hold a very strong position? Was it a position of decisive importance in the admi nistration? A.- Unfortunately as an outsider I cannot judge that. Q.- When you were in the agency of the d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 166,950 | 167,450 |
certain plans which pertaining to the settlement of certain areas? A.- Yes. Q.- Were they maps? A.- Yes. Q.- And would you please tell the Tribunal what those maps looked like? A.- Well, there was a large wall there, and the maps were nothing but general staff maps, army maps, where certain things had been shown by con... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 167,400 | 167,900 |
I would like to put to you that the General plan which is called the General Plan of this trial, originated in 1942, and was established by the institute for agricultural matters and agricultural policy, of the University of Berlin. Is my question justified as to whether the General Plan which you mentioned, dated 1940... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 167,850 | 168,350 |
you stated, witness, that the Central Planning was carried out in the Main Staff Office. With reference to the misunderstanding which exists the moment planning is mentioned, I would appreciate if you would tell me, witness, whether by that you are trying to say that the defendant Meyer's department was the central gui... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 168,300 | 168,800 |
further questions. CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. GAWLIK: (Attorney for the defendant Schwarzenberger) Q.Witness, you spoke about an account which was lodged with the RSHA under the title Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism, and from which money, and from funds were drawn for the EWZ and UWZ and were transferr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 168,750 | 169,250 |
THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal of course would not be interested in this witness' opinion about the matter. We would like to have the facts. BY DR. GAWLIK: Q.The man in charge of the Finance Administration, of the Main Staff Office, did he have any authority to issue orders concerning the use of this money? A.As far as EWZ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 169,200 | 169,700 |
"at first" because I meant it from a chronological point of view, you see. Q.Therefore Koppel was relieved later on, wasn't he? A.Obergruppenfuehrer Bergelmann was the next man. Q.In your direct examination, witness, you stated that Huebner was Stabsfuehrer, in other words, staff leader. In this connection you used the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 169,650 | 170,150 |
which farms had to be evacuated? A.Yes, I know that. I believe I mentioned that this morning in the course of my examination. I did not speak about farm cards, but I spoke of lists. Q.Therefore you meant lists which contained the farm cards, is that it? A.Yes, sir. Q.On those farm cards, I understand, there was a speci... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 170,100 | 170,600 |
SS and Police Leader of Lublin, whose name was Globocnik, who appeared in the picture only in 1942, whereas the exchange settlement took place earlier. Q.When was it, approximately, witness? A.I believe that the exchange settlement took place in 1940; Q.In your direct examination, witness, you stated that a meeting too... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 170,550 | 171,050 |
the competency of the German Resettlement Office. Q.And therefore not the VOMI? A.Yes, it was not the VOMI. Q.The racial examination? A.The VOMI had nothing to do with that. Q.EWZ procedure? A.No, the VOMI had nothing to do with EWZ, at least directly. Q.Making German citizens out of the resettlers? A.No. Q.Settlement ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 171,000 | 171,500 |
of officials present and also representatives of the agencies; is that correct? A.That is absolutely correct. It occurred quite often that when the Ministry of the Interior, for instance, had a meeting where it was believed that some agency would participate which came from the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 171,450 | 171,950 |
that during the war every person who was in Germany had to work? AAccording to my recollection, yes. QIs it therefore correct, witness, if I understand your testimony to have been so far, that the VOMI, with reference to these Slovenes, had the position of an innkeeper? Was that correct? AWell, yes, just about. QNow to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 171,900 | 172,400 |
and not to the agencies, is that correct? AAs far as I could see these things, yes. QWitness, now we come to Alsace-Lorraine and Luxembourg. You already mentioned that the local chiefs of the civil administration carried out sometimes certain deportations from there. Do you know whether the VOMI agreed with the executi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 172,350 | 172,850 |
the Party. QYes, you see the VOMI, although it had representatives in certain districts lacked a lower organizational structure which could have carried out these measures. QNow another question in connection with the DVL, witness. You were one of the members of the Supreme Court of Racial Classification? AYes. QWas th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 172,800 | 173,300 |
examination to this period of time. Witness, did you have proper training for this office? ANo. QDo you know why you were called to this office? AI don't know. I assume that the Reich Fuehrer SS considered me suitable. QFor what reason did he consider you suitable? AI don't know. QWhat was RuSHA like in organizational ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 173,250 | 173,750 |
I will refer to the significance of these three agencies. Witness, I would like to ask you what effect did the reorganization of RuSHA have at the time you took over office? ABy detaching the traning office, naturally the significance of RuSHA was considerable reduced. QWhy did RuSHA not take over the tasks of the Reic... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 173,700 | 174,200 |
is that what you mean; examination of Poles? AYes. QYou don't mean the prohibition as such, that is the prohibition which as you just explained, only became known to you by newspaper reports. AYes. QCan you remember what this newspaper report said? AIt said that pursuant to a decree or order of the Reich Ministry of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 174,150 | 174,650 |
don't know. QWas he an anthropologist? AYes, he was an anthropologist or an eugenics man, but, I don't know this exactly. QDo you know the practical tasks, apart from his scientific activity, that he carried on? AAs I already said, he passed expert opinions in cases of doubt, merely within the scope and framework of RU... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 174,600 | 175,100 |
What does it mean? A.- "Ausmerze" refers to breeding and it means, in common usage, that a distinction must be made between, let us say, the good and desirable elements, and the undesirable elements. Q.- Thank you. A.- Applied to the East and applied to this case specifically, it meant that polish nationals in Germany ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 175,050 | 175,550 |
IV-C, Exhibit 138, document No. 5148. A.- I must have known of this decree. Q.- Did you participate in passing this decree? A.- No. Q.- Now, how were the racial examiners injected into the tasks in the East? A.- The racial examiners were injected at the order of the Reichsfuehrer SS. After evacuations in the East had b... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 175,500 | 176,000 |
examination. Q.- Himmler decreed so at that time, did he? A.- Yes. Q.- Did you read Himmler's memorandum on the treatment of aliens in the East? Did you receive it, and do you remember it? A.- I saw it here, and I must assume that it was received by me at that time, but I do not remember it. Q.- Do you know whether any... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 175,950 | 176,450 |
of 1939. Q.Can you specify what the reasons were for his getting this office? A.I knew the defendant Hofmann from the time when I served in Hamburg. I knew him as a conscientious man who had talents for organization, and he appeared to me to be most suitable for the reorganization of the genealogical office. In additio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 176,400 | 176,900 |
was an index of the ancestors of SS members, among whom there were Jews. It was a genealogical index. Q.And as to ancestors of non-members of the SS, their data were not kept in this file index? A.Of course, since the 19th century, let us say around 1930, there may have been some Jewish ancestor of a member of the SS w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 176,850 | 177,350 |
Lodz had only factual contacts with them. RuSHA had the authority to issue directives to these racial examiners, and it was responsible for sufficient replacement men being under training. Q.Now what were these professional authorizations, apart from the training of replacements? A.Particularly in regard to Lodz, on th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 177,300 | 177,800 |
A.May I ask you when did the occupation of Czechoslovakia take place? Q.In March 1939. Were you at that time in active service when he took over this land office? A.No, Gottberg took over the land office in the summer of 1939 is that right -- '38? Let me ask you again, Czechoslovakia was occupied in 1938? Q.Sudentenlan... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 177,750 | 178,250 |
of Himmler on the carrying out of preliminary work in the field of settlement in the occupied territories? A.No. THE PRESIDENT:Just a minute. The Tribunal will be in recess for 15 minutes. (A recess was taken.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. DR. von der TRENCK: May it please your Honors, in the name and ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 178,200 | 178,700 |
all to place the Land Office of Prague under his jurisdiction. Personally, I did not wish to make any difficulties to Gottberg in any way, as I knew that he would try and get his intention through even if it would necessitate fighting me or against my will, I passed on this draft of Gottberg's to Heydrich by simply sui... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 178,650 | 179,150 |
Reich Leader SS sent me to Prague for that purpose. The investigation showed that there were quite a few deficiencies and in particular with reference to the personal life of Gottberg, needless expenditures of money, drinking parties and so on. Based upon my report to the Reich Leader SS, Gottberg was immediately relie... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 179,100 | 179,600 |
course, my mind was refreshed in many ways by showing me documents and correspondence and so on, but today, of course, I can remember details better than I did about three months ago. Therefore, it is possible that there are certain discrepancies in the affidavit. Q.Do you know whether all the Ethnic Germans were exami... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 179,550 | 180,050 |
cards for their own purposes? A.I don't quite understand how this statement was interpolated in my affidavit. There must be some sort of a mistake both on the part of the interrogator as well as on my part because this is impossible. Q.What were the facts which were known to you, witness, with reference to the Genealog... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 180,000 | 180,500 |
don't believe it would have been possible to include and register all these children which originated from intercourse between Poles and Germans. Q.Did you as Chief of the RuSHA in all these cases propose to the Reich Leader SS that these people be taken over to Germany proper? A.As I stated before I don't believe any ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 180,450 | 180,950 |
WVHA, Economic and Administrative Main Office, Oswald Pohl, and I can't recall of any other persons who were also members of that board. Q.This Supervisory Board, did it at any time gain a practical importance? A.No, the Supervisory Board was nothing but a formal matter and during my time there it never did hold any me... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 180,900 | 181,400 |
is necessary to ask this witness now on the stand for this information. THE PRESIDENT:The examination seems to be for the purpose of determining this witness' knowledge of the actual operation. Over-ruling the objection. Proceed. BY DR. THIELE-FREDERSDORF: Q.Witness, do you remember anything about the relationship of t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 181,350 | 181,850 |
the negotiations there. It was only after a longer period of time, therefore, in the autumn of 1934 a representative of the Lebensborn came to see me in order to discuss the matter with me. However, the success amounted to nothing so that up to the surrender in Denmark no Lebensborn home was established. I believe that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 181,800 | 182,300 |
estates? A.No. Q.But it only confirms the internal program. A.Yes, that is the way we interpreted it. Q.Did the defendant Schwalm prior to your time as Main Office Chief of the RuSHA or during your period of time, did he work there? A.Herr Schwalm during my time worked in the RuSHA. Whether he worked there before my ti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 182,250 | 182,750 |
racial examiners were not placed at the disposal of VOMI, but were placed at the disposal of EWZ. DR. HESSE:Thank you. I have no further questions. EXAMINATION BY DR. VONDER TRENCK (Attorney for the defendant Greifelt) Q.Witness, in your examination something was mentioned COURT I CASE VIII in connection with decree No... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 182,700 | 183,200 |
tour. Wasn't this visit and the problems which were touched upon the reason for this decree to be issued? A.This tour which I am speaking about was carried out in the other camps of VOMI, ethnic German camps and at the camps of the so-called resettlers, of people from the newly incorporated eastern territories and the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 183,150 | 183,650 |
can recall, COURT I CASE VIII was subordinated to the RSHA, (the Reich Security Main Office.) Q.Thank you. Now a question concerning these instructions which you could give to these racial examiners, as you stated before, they Were only professional ones.--- A.Yes. Q.--While these racial examiners, financially and from... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 183,600 | 184,100 |
Poland. Do you know in what respect you spoke when you said that? A.No, I would appreciate it if you would read that passage to me. Q.You stated there that when the Germans entered Poland it was the task of the Reich Commissar for the strengthening of German folkdom to carry out certain inquiries as to which property w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 184,050 | 184,550 |
Gottberg, for a longer period of time, that is to say since the occupation of Sudetenland, which was in October, 1938, dealt with this Reich Settlement Commissar and that he wanted to become the Reich Settlement Commissar himself. Q.Thank you. A.This Reich Settlement Commissar, as far as I can recall, was to take over ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 184,500 | 185,000 |
the first six months of 1939 was -- just approximately? A.- I saw very little of General Greifelt, but, as far as I know, he was working at the time on the resettlement of the people from Southern Tyrolia, based on an agreement with the Italian Government. However, I couldn't really tell you for certain. Q.- Witness, I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 184,950 | 185,450 |
effect that racial examiners of the RuSHA participated in the re-Germanization so-called, of foreign nationals. A.- Yes. Q.- Now, witness, do you consider that internal affairs of the SS? A.- No, I don't. Q.- Witness, you testified on direct examination this morning that the RuSHA was not involved in resettlements from... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 185,400 | 185,900 |
beginning of the war with Poland this attempt was made. Q.- Witness, do you know how this attempt was carried out? A.- No, I don't. Q.- Do you know what the defendant Lorenz did in connection with this plan? A.- No, I don't, but I assume it. Q.- What do you mean you "assume it", witness? A.- I know that General Lorenz ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 185,850 | 186,350 |
carried out. In other words, we received the directives. Q.Well, witness, I should like you to clarify for the Tribunal what directives you received in this meaning. Did you receive directives as to the technical process of racial selection, or merely directives telling you to be a little more lenient or a little more ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 186,300 | 186,800 |
of the Party and the RUSHA, in which document is a reference to the RUSHA dealing with legislation. Now, witness.... A.May I see this document? MR. SHILLER:Your Honor, if I may return to this after a moment, I will have the document identified by that time. BY MR. SHILLER Q.Witness..... (Document submitted to witness.)... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 186,750 | 187,250 |
which Should be sent into the Government-General. DR.MAAS (for the defendant Schwalm): Your Honor, I would like to object to the formulation of this question on the grounds that it contains an apparent mistake. I would like to point out that questions concerning reGermanization We re not dealt with by the EWZ. This mor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 187,200 | 187,700 |
he not? A.That is the period of time during which this document was submitted to me. Of course I can't recall the date. Q.Witness, the Chief of the Race Office of the RuSHA was a logical person for you to consult in connection with this treatise, is that correct? A.Yes, that is correct. Q.Did you consult with the Chief... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 187,650 | 188,150 |
BY MR. SHILLER: Q.I am not trying to prove the decree, Your Honor. Witness, as Higher SS and Police Leader Center, did you have occasion to gain any knowledge of cases of Polish men who had been caught because they had had sexual intercourse with German women? A.You mean executed? Well, of course I heard about that. Q.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 188,100 | 188,600 |
correct? A.I did not say that they only concerned dead Jews, but there might have been living Jews among them. This index card dealt with ancestors of living human beings - the parents and ancestors - and if a 17 or 18 year old SS man applied to be taken into the SS, it is possible that some of his living ancestors, sh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 188,550 | 189,050 |
which had been written by Gettberg. I simply changed his name and the letterhead, which was in the Geneological office, into something else which was my name and office. Q.Witness, when you say that you agreed with Gettberg, do you mean that the statements contained in this letter are correct? A.Yes. Q.Witness, you tes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 189,000 | 189,500 |
period the charges are made against the defendant. MR. SHILLER:Your Honor - THE PRESIDENT:I overrule the object. Go ahead. BY MR. SHILLER: Q.Witness, you testified this morning on direct examination concerning a letter to the Defendant Hildebrandt in which some mention was made to the effect that the RuSHA had prepared... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 189,450 | 189,950 |
testified this morning that the basic tasks of Lebensborn never changed. Once you had left the board of Lebensborn what connection did you have with that organization other than the one home which you visited? A.I had no other connection With the Lebensborn with the exception of the one that I stated this morning, name... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 189,900 | 190,400 |
I can't remember this memorandum nor can I remember having shown it to Hofmann or to anybody else and I can't even remember having read it myself, although I would admit that I would have had to read it. Whatever conclusion may be drawn from this is up to all the others and they can do Just as well as I can and I don't... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 190,350 | 190,850 |
Poles and Germans? Who ordered these examinations to be carried out? A.The Reichfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police. Q.Do you remember at what time this occurred, approximately? A.As far as I can remember in the Spring of 1940. Q.Witness, is that an assumption on your part? A.That is possible; I am just saying th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 190,800 | 191,300 |
it was within the jurisdiction of the Security police and I had to pass an expert opinion and comment on these and pass it on to the Reichfuehrer. Q.Witness, is it possible that at some other time, say approximately after 1943 and in another territory there was a different method of procedure in regard to examination w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 191,250 | 191,750 |
you have a proper idea of VOMI's activity? A.No, absolutely none. Q.Do you know when the resettlement of the so-called VOKI Germans was carried out? A.Without receiving any help to my memory I cannot specify any date. It seems to me, at least that is the way I remember it, that this settlement had taken place in 1939. ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 191,700 | 192,200 |
always recurring into the same error, the representatives of RuSHA, the racial examiners did not decide as to the question of re-Germanization but only racial fitness of the people examined. MR. SHILLER:Your Honor, may the Prosecution object and ask defense counsel not to argue with the witness. THE PRESIDENT:It sounds... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 192,150 | 192,650 |
affidavit as Prosecution Exhibit No.309. THE PRESIDENT:Any objection? MR. SHILLER:This is Document No. 5132 and may be found in the English Document Book XI on page 53. This document book has not yet been presented to the Tribunal. DR.SCHWARZ: (Attorney for the defendant Hofmann) Your Honor, I object to the introductio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 192,600 | 193,100 |
the representative of the VOMI mentioned by you who opposed the evacuations carried out by chiefs of the civil administration in Alsace and Lorrain, who was that? A.As far as I remember, there were several of them, I know for example that I spoke on this subject negatively with Behrens too. Brueckner also took part, bu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 193,050 | 193,550 |
mentioned in the various manifestoes or the peace treaty Brest-Litowsk, have the right to return to Germany at any time from Russia. A.I can't say that for certain right now, but I think the answer is yes. Q.Do you know whether the racial Germans also had the right to refuse to serve in the army against their native Ge... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 193,500 | 194,000 |
else. Is that correct? DR. MAAS:That is correct, Your Honor. THE PRESIDENT:All right; I sustain the objection. DR. MAAS:Therefore, Your Honor, I may not put this question. THEPRESIDENT: (Nodd.) BY DR. MAAS: Q.- Do you know that at a certain time the Racial Office was bombed out in Berlin and was working in Prague? A.- ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 193,950 | 194,450 |
allocated for work there at all? A.- The basic directive that RuSHA was to assign racial examiners at all to EWZ originated with Himmler. Q.- That is just what I wanted to hear. Therefore, from the start, EWZ and RuSHA did not propose or intend to asign racial examiners? A.- You can't say that because at the start, whe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 194,400 | 194,900 |
about it. BY DR. MAAS: Q.- Do you know how many different agencies collaborated with EWZ? A.- There were approximately six or eight of them. Q.- Are you able to name the individual agencies? A.- Yes, I think I can still do it. MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, I cannot see the importance of these questions. The organization of E... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 194,850 | 195,350 |
re-Germanized? A.As far as I know from reports, this was probably done -- that these people were questioned. Q.Do you know that persons who refused to accept re-Germanization were not forced to accept it, nevertheless? A.Yes, As far as I am acquainted with the facts, these persons were again subjected to the regular ev... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 195,300 | 195,800 |
know the basic decrees of the security police referring to illicit sexual intercourse? A.Yes. Q.Did the security police work without racial examiners at the start? MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, in my examination of the witness, I have not touched this field at all. If defense counsel wants to go into the so-called illegal se... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 195,750 | 196,250 |
handling these questions, did the Reich Fuehrer for Public Health, Conti, in March of 1942 issue a directive? A.Whether this was in March 1942, I couldn't say, but I can say that Conti, not in his capacity as Chief of Public Health but as Staff Secretary in the Reich Ministry of the Interior, passed a decree on the que... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 196,200 | 196,700 |
FILM WAS SHOWN) THE PRESIDENT:Is that all? MR. SHILLER:Your Honors, that is the complete film. I should like to offer this film USSR 370 as Prosecution Exhibit310. THE PRESIDENT:Objection has already been lodged to the introduction of the film. We will pass on those objections first thing in the morning. The Tribunal w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 196,650 | 197,150 |
I want to ask you whether the file note indicates that this document was issued by the RSHA. This document relates to the confiscation of archives, collections, and so forth. (Document submitted to witness) A.I believe that I can tell you from the file note that that is a file note of the RSHA. Q.I now come to the decr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 197,100 | 197,600 |
that many other agencies--in fact, all Germany dealt with racial problems at that time. I cannot see the importance of those questions in this case. THE PRESIDENT:I am inclined to the view that this matter has been very thoroughly gone into by the other members of defense counsel, so let's not cover the same territory ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 197,550 | 198,050 |
the same questions in the Administration and in the Government. QBy your latter remark you indicated that there was influence on the RUSHA, is that correct? ANo, I do not know that the Office for Racial Policy of the Nazi Party exerted influence on RUSHA. QI wanted to check your testimony, and I wanted to find out whet... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 198,000 | 198,500 |
of Himmler for the whole machinery, but he could not issue instructions to the SD. Q.Could he give instructions to the UWZ? A.Probably not as a Higher SS and Police Leader, but perhaps as the representative of the Commissar for the Strengthening of G Germanism. Q.You don't know that for certain, do you? Court No. I, Ca... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 198,450 | 198,950 |
of entirely alien descent who neither by descent nor by race had any relations with the German race, that was always repudiated as useless and wrong, particularly when it was done compulsorily. QDid not Himmler's policy, concerning that whole question, and on the basis of your knowledge of the matter -- am I right in i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 198,900 | 199,400 |
the Gottschee was also signed by the defendant Greifelt. QWitness, you said in the cross examination that the deportation from Luxembourgh, Alsace and Lorraine was initiated by the chief of the civil administration. Do you know whether the chief of the civil administration was a representative of RKFDV? AAs far as I re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 199,350 | 199,850 |
Forster placed on the People's List. All I said was that Gauleiter Forster in many cases had Poles forced to make such an application that was contrary to the rulings of the German People's List, and therefore the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism, as well as the Reich Ministry of the Interior, again a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 199,800 | 200,300 |
is that correct? A.I don't believe so. I believe I said that originally in the first orders it had been laid down that VOMI was to carry out the Germanization measures in the camps, etc.-- it was to take care of these people but later the Party began to participate, considering itself the proper agency, and that theref... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 200,250 | 200,750 |
1940, Page 41, and dealing with the exchange of ethnic Germans. THE PRESIDENT:The document itself shows what it deals with. Just show it to him, if you want to show it to him. BY MR. SCHWENK: Q.Would you now say that the VOMI was not involved -- the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle? A.In this decree which has just been shown... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 200,700 | 201,200 |
the Alsace evacuation. Q.Thank you very much. You can't remember the other instances, can you? A.I can't because as a rule I did not attend the conferences or, rather, I don't remember the transcripts now. Q.I see. Was it the purpose of the conference, as far as VOMI was concerned, to prevent those evacuations from tak... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 201,150 | 201,650 |
that formula, that one sentence, does that constitute an order or an instruction? A.Yes, it is that. Q.But it was the Chief of the Security Police and the SD who gave orders for the various measures to be taken; is that so? A.Well, as a rule those orders contained no further details apart from just that one sentence. Q... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 201,600 | 202,100 |
have an additional question to propound, simply propound the question. BY DR. MUELLER: Q.Can you confirm that the representative of the Reich Commissar did not participate in issuing those orders for evacuation? A.Naturally he did not participate in the orders issued by the Central Offices. DR. MUELLER:Thank you THE PR... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 202,050 | 202,550 |
also a foreigner that they could have an abortion performed. The procedure was that the men who were in charge of the foreign labor camps had to determine the names of the pregnant women and they had to tell these women that they should have an abortion performed. If they agreed to this then the name was submitted with... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 202,500 | 203,000 |
to sign a statement that they had been informed that this prohibition existed and if, nevertheless, such a case did occur, then the Gestapo agency would be notified and then it would carry on an investigation and find witnesses and things of that sort and then the file would be passed on to the Higher SS and Police Lea... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 202,950 | 203,450 |
made against them to put them in concentration camps if they continued to refuse to be Germanized? A.The procedure would then take its normal course, that is to say, the file was then passed on to the USHA which in accordance with the penalty provided would announce a penalty according to the seriousness of the case an... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 203,400 | 203,900 |
representations to the Reichfuehrer SS and that they wanted to be included in this procedure. It therefore was ordered that the Gestapo was to pass on the files of such cases; first of all to the Higher SS and Police Leader and only then this file whould be passed on to Berlin for further decision. Q.And according to y... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 203,850 | 204,350 |
the Police of course would also take into consideration the police aspects and the seriousness of the case and so on. Q.In order to consider the question now whether punishment was imposed also other, factors had to be taken into consideration? A.Yes, I have stated that for this seriousness of the case was very devisiv... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 204,300 | 204,800 |
from practice and I also know it from directives which I received from Berlin. QWas the chief of the security police, wasn't that the inspector of the security police? AThe inspector of the security police would be the local intermediary superior to whom I had to report first of all, and he in turn would be the main co... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 204,750 | 205,250 |
and repeat after me the following oath: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SHILLER: QWitness, - AYes. QWhen and were were you born? And what is your name, please. AMy name is Richard ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 205,200 | 205,700 |
deportation from Save and Sotna Strip under the direction of Hintze. QWitness, when did this deportation take place? AI can't give you the exact time any more, but this must have taken place in the middle of 1941. QWhere were these people first taken, witness? AThese detachments of the regular police which had been ord... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 205,650 | 206,150 |
have passed in the meantime, a very long time, at the exit of the Kloster there would be a sign which I believe bore the designation representative of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism. QWitness - AAnd the camp was subordinated to the staff of Hintze because after one or two days, depending on the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 206,100 | 206,600 |
Company, DAG as far as I know, arrived approximately at the same time as the staff of Hintze. This company also sent out detachments, and sometimes they would go along with a detachment of the regular police who deported these people; some times they would even go ahead of them and it was their task to take an inventor... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 206,550 | 207,050 |
River came from Bessarabia originally. MR. SHILLER:No further questions, Your Honor. THE PRESIDENT:Any questions by the Defense? CROSS EXAMINATION BY DR. VONDER TRENCK: (Attorney for the Defendant Greifelt) Q.Witness, do you know by whom this deportation action was ordered? A.No, I don't know that. Q.Do you know the re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 207,000 | 207,500 |
to tell you that any more today. Q.You further more mentioned the members of the D.A.G., German Resettlement Company, who had to take an inventory and a survey of the property which was left behind. If I understood you correctly, this property consisted of land titles, large pieces of furniture and livestock. A.Yes. He... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 207,450 | 207,950 |
side of the demarcation line, which was in the territory occupied by Italy, and there was a strong partisan movement in the Croatian territory. From time to time they would cross the border and they would make their appearance in that area. Q.At what distance were these partisan units from this area which was evacuated... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 207,900 | 208,400 |
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