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according to my opinion was redundant or was nonsense. Q.Does your statement constitute a judgment of the work of the main office? In other words, do you mean today that things which were carried out according to those books contained in "Menschen-Einsatz" were nonsense? A.Yes, I am of that opinion. Q.Coming to another... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 73,350 | 73,850 |
EWZ procedure were drafted into the German Army immediately because they were of military age? A.I can only assume that as everywhere, German citizens were subject to Army draft, that is, also resettlers were subject to conscription and became so, if they had been processed through EWZ and had beennationalized but I do... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 73,800 | 74,300 |
some time or another people subject to Germanization were selected and brought to Germany. It may be in Estonia racially satisfactory people were selected. QCan you just name the other countries? AThe main country of origian for people suitable for Germanization was Poland. QWere any persons brought from Yugoslavia for... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 74,250 | 74,750 |
German People's List, the applicants for German citizenship were to be sub-divided into four classes. Class I was to comprise such Polish nationals who during the time of 1919 to 1939, that is , as was said at the time, had been under Polish government and yet had actively worked for Germany, that is who had belonged t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 74,700 | 75,200 |
namely, the supreme court of examination on ethnic questions; whereas the first three levels in this procedure of examination were established with the agencies of the interior administration, the fourth level was with the Main Staff Office. Q.Witness, were you particularly familiar with the DVL procedure; and, if so, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 75,150 | 75,650 |
of the Main Staff Office shortly after it had been signed by Himmler. A.Yes. Q.Will you please explain how it happened? A.The general decree XII-C was sent to the Main Staff Office after consulting a great number of participating agencies, primarily a number of Reich Ministers. It was compiled there in the Main Staff O... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 75,600 | 76,100 |
answer that without going into so much detail. A.I don't remember any specific decree which was signed by the defendant Greifelt in execution of decree XII-C. Q.Were there any lists -- DVL lists besides the list which applied to Poland? A.There were other similar directives for nationalization almost in all territories... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 76,050 | 76,550 |
of citizenship those Poles, Russians and French received who were accepted in the DVL? A.That depended. Members of Department I and II of the German People's List in the incorporated Eastern territories, for example, together with a blue identification paper, automatically received irrevocable citizenship. Q.What about... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 76,500 | 77,000 |
Polish property decree. Q.And now will you please go on with your explanation of DVL I, II, III and IV. A.I mentioned settlement as far as Department I, II, and III was concerned. In regard to Department IV, seizure of property was provided, but in this instance too, compensation was taken into consideration. The prope... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 76,950 | 77,450 |
conditions were existent, were in danger of evacuation. They received the lower food rations of the Poles and they were exposed to other unpleasant incidents. Which resulted from the general inferior conditions of the Polish people as compared to that of the Germans. Q.Did I understand correctly that according to that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 77,400 | 77,900 |
of age to be in military service was then taken into protective custody by a state police agency because it was assumed that his refusal to accept that identification card was due to the fact that he intended to dodge the draft. QDo I understand you correctly that in this case you pointed out, as the chief of the legal... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 77,850 | 78,350 |
following, namely, that the man who was responsible for the illegitimate children or all the Polish men altogether would tend to have more and more illegitimate children. As far as I know, the following detour was chosen, namely, that the man responsible for such an illegitimate child had to pay the alimony but the chi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 78,300 | 78,800 |
Will you please repeat it, witness? One term was translated, I believe, in a different way. A.The Central Land Office was competent for the seizure, the confiscation, the turning over of Polish valuables. They were also responsible for the turning over of such plots a restricted extent to anyone who was interested in p... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 78,750 | 79,250 |
Office? THE PRESIDENT:The decree itself will show that. You need not answer it. MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, I put this question to the witness in order to explain to all people present here the complications of the property involved. We will have some more agencies involved in the seizure and confiscation of property and I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 79,200 | 79,700 |
state property? A.Oh, I see. The seizure and confiscation activity of the Central Land Office comprised the private agricultural property. However, not State property. THE PRESIDENT:He asked you a simple question. Does it include both classes of property or not. You can answer that. BY MR. SCHWENK: Q.Did the main Staff... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 79,650 | 80,150 |
A.Yes, I have. Q.Will you explain this to us? A.Within the frame work of those numerous applications which were submitted to me I also remember a case where a woman coming from Poland complained about the fact that we had suddenly taken away from her a foster child that had lived in her home for a long time because it ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 80,100 | 80,600 |
have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:All right. Counsel may proceed with the crossexamination. BY DR. HAENSEL (For the Defendant Greifelt): CROSS EXAMINATION QMay I proceed with the cross examination your Honor? The basic term which we are talking about here is that of the ethnic German. Is that a legal term, i.e. ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 80,550 | 81,050 |
German, was secured from an Internation point of view. I mean International law? ANo. QWere you of the opinion that based on the resettlement agreements the German Reich without violating International law had the opportunity to give German citizenship to these so called ethnic Germans? ANo. QWould you say that the ter... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 81,000 | 81,500 |
it weaker or stronger, the authority to issue orders, the persons are of importance rather than the paper, AThat is a legal question according to my opinion which I, as a witness, am not in a position to judge. QDid the persons who were at the head of the VOMI and the RSHA have more or loss in their authority than Grei... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 81,450 | 81,950 |
chart is limited, but in its implementation it is cor rect. However, outside of these connections which are contained on this chart there are other ones also between Himmler and the RSHA, the Reich Security Main Office, which, however go beyond the framework of this chart. Q.I don't quite agree with you, witness. I don... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 81,900 | 82,400 |
the Ministry of Interior; the security police, and they were subordinated to Himmler in his capacity as chief of the German police and so far it was a Reich agency and the RSHA, at least with a few offices, participated in the work of the Reich Commissioner. They also used the letterhead of the Reich Commissioner, part... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 82,350 | 82,850 |
will recess until 1:30. (A recess was taken until 1330 hours, 23 October 1947) AFTERNOON SESSION The Tribunal reconvened at 1330 hours, 23 October 1947. THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. KUNO WIRSICH - Resumed CROSS EXAMINATION (Continued) THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the witness. BY DR. HAENSEL: (Attorney fo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 82,800 | 83,300 |
order, a special assignment. A.I remember that the defendant Greifelt at the same time when the Himmler decree dated June, 1941, was published informed the chiefs of office of the Staff Main Office that he, Greifelt, now had the authority to sign as deputy for Himmler in his capacity as Reich Commissar for the Strength... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 83,250 | 83,750 |
spoke of so-called expulsions. You spoke of expulsions of Slovenes; for instance. Was this action instigated by Greifelt or by any other levels, for instance the Reichstatthalter or whoever they were? A.I don't know how the expulsion was carried out or handled in Slovenia. I was only informed of those incidents at a la... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 83,700 | 84,200 |
the Tribunal because this point is very important for the defense of the defendant Hildebrant. It is of fundamental importance -- if my opinion is agreed to by the Tribunal, because all the other defense counsel and the Prosecution would not be in a position to ask the defendant Hildebrant questions which incriminate h... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 84,150 | 84,650 |
directives. Would you summarize briefly how you compare the position of the defendant Greifelt to all the other medium levels concerning the party power he had and so on? A.I am of the opinion that the defendant as compared with the representative in the medium level, politically speaking was the person who was weaker ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 84,600 | 85,100 |
Defense attorney and the witness that all three could be much more specific than you have been up to this date, and the Tribunal will have to insist that the questions and answers be more pointed and not so general in their scope. Go ahead. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Witness, in your direct examination, you spoke about the reGe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 85,050 | 85,550 |
lot of literary work was being carried out there in contrast to any practical work? A.This statement did not refer to the Central Land Office but to the Planning Office. Q.Do you see a certain contrast there in the activity of your own office which you probably do not consider to be a literary job but a practical job, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 85,500 | 86,000 |
of a general seizure took place by a decree of the Four-Year Plan dated the 12th February, 1940. Q.Now somebody else appears to be striving for more authority in the East. They are the authorities of the Four-Year Plan. Do you recall the other decrees, the first one dated the 5th of October, 1939, that is to say two da... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 85,950 | 86,450 |
officials? A.In the Main Staff Office, there were also officials, yes. QWas membership in the SS one of the compulsory regulations for getting employment in the Main Staff Office? ANo. QWitness, will you please make a short pause after my question - for the interpreters, you know? Was a difference made in the treatment... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 86,400 | 86,900 |
that was being carried out. That was known as coordination. QWere important decisions of the Main Staff Office also issued in the absence of the Main Staff Office chief. AIf possible such decisions were held back until the Main Staff Office chief returned. QWere Offices 1 and 2 subordinated to the defendant Creutz even... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 86,850 | 87,350 |
every field of work in the Main Office there were agencies andinstallations which, f r a long time, had already dealt with those matters. QWas there a plan which had been initialed in advance, which was clearly kept, of the work of that department? AApart from the Hitler Decree dated 7 October 1939, which contained a c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 87,300 | 87,800 |
the possibility to requisition furniture from the destroyed, dismantled Ghetto of Litzmannstadt. As far as I can recall, the main thing which was discussed in that conference was whether the Gau administration in Posen, which at the time wanted to sell this furniture, could ask for payment front the German Reich or fro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 87,750 | 88,250 |
the Main Staff Office order protective custody to be imposed? A.No. Q.Why not. A.It did not have the authority to do so. Q.Were those persons who were accepted in the DVL, the German. Peoples List, Frenchmen, Poles, etc., etc., or were they ethnic Germans who, so far, had Polish or French citizenship? A.Well, I can't v... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 88,200 | 88,700 |
the legal department and that since the middle of February 1942 you were in charge of the legal department. Do you know also the defendant Meyer from that period of time or when did you become acquainted with him? AI don't know when the defendant Meyer was introduced to me for the first time or when I met him for time ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 88,650 | 89,150 |
wish to say that; all I want to say is that every one of those office chiefs who had the right to participate would be absent from there once in a while; either for personal or official reasons. QOn the occasion of the evacuation of the Main Staff Office to the Schweikelberg, you were also transferred there, weren't yo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 89,100 | 89,600 |
the use of the so-called General Stop Decree on the planning office. QWitness, in your direct examination you were asked a few questions concerning the land property and the legal side of it. You said that the basis of the registration of Polish property, was an order or decree of the 12th of February 1940. Isn't there... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 89,550 | 90,050 |
defendant Meyer later went to the Wehrmacht; and, can you approximately specify the date? ANo. QDo you know that he was drafted into the Wehrmacht? ANo. QThen let us determine the beginning of this special activity occurred in the summer of 1942? AYes. QPrior to that, had there occurred seizures and other measures of i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 90,000 | 90,500 |
No. VIII. the sphere of farming? AThe Reichsland GmbH, formerly called Ostland GmbH. QWitness, you then spoke of cases in which seizure was pronounced. May I say, to start with, that the main task involved was probably to gather the land in the registers, and to seize it in form only; is that correct? AYes. QIs it corr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 90,450 | 90,950 |
of the Central Land Office? A.According to the decree just quoted, certainly not. Q.Witness, the Central Land Office--did it not have decisive importance in regard to the handling of real estate questions or as far as actual activity was concerned-did this not also concern other departments? A.Yes, Department 4 for Agr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 90,900 | 91,400 |
BY DR. BEHLING: Q.Is it correct, witness, that in the legal department, in your legal department, expert reports of the foreign office were available from which there resulted that the introduction of the Polish property decree did not collide with any principles of international law? A.I heard of this that such an exp... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 91,350 | 91,850 |
Schwarzenberger was authorized to make any independent decisions as to the use of the funds or whether this was done by the Reich Finance Minister and determined by him? A.To talk of independence is rather relative in a way. The Reich Finance Minister exercised a certain influence, I think that there was something simi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 91,800 | 92,300 |
A.This is to restrict my testimony. I cannot clearly say that the defendant Schwarzenberger had nothing to do with it. Q.Did you ever hear that any such measures went via Office V? A.No. Q.Under count 12 of the indictment, the defendant Schwarzenberger is charged that he had participated in abortion measures against fe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 92,250 | 92,750 |
don't know? A.I don't know. Q.You then spoke in direct examination of the decree by which the age of married women making them elegible for marrage was estab lished as being 25 years for women and 28 years for Polish men? Did Schwarzenberger have anything to do with the enactment of this decree? A.No. Q.Did Schwarzenbe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 92,700 | 93,200 |
of his own to make decisions, namely, in the sense that he could say: "I will give money", or "I won't give money", or was that decreed by higher agencies? A I consider it possible that the defendant Schwarzenberger, to a certain extent, was authorized to make his own decisions but I don't know the extent of his powers... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 93,150 | 93,650 |
the ethnical protection of Germans. Do you know that? AYes. Q Do you know it or do you consider it possible that this agency, Voelkische Schutzarbeit, was not an agency of VOMI but of the socalled VDA? AYes. In direct examination yesterday therefore I used the non technical and non-juridical term "Anhaengsel" - appendi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 93,600 | 94,100 |
presiding. THE MARSHAL:Persons in the court room will please find their seats. The Honorable, the Judgesof military Tribunal No. I. There will be order in the Court. THE PRESIDENT:Military Tribunal I will be in order. Mr. Marshal have you ascertained that ail defendants are present in court? THE MARSHAL:May it please Y... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 94,050 | 94,550 |
of your legal department; and in part from the official conversations and discussions which took place among your colleagues; as well as from documents and certain correspondence which came to your knowledge at a later date; is that correct, witness? A.Yes. Q.Your knowledge, therefore, does not originate from documents... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 94,500 | 95,000 |
apart from the position of these racial examiners there was also an additional participation which resulted in issuance of orders in the RuSHA? A.I don't know that. Q.Do you know whether the activity of the RuSHA or the racial office did not restrict or limit itself to the selection, the training and general profession... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 94,950 | 95,450 |
agency for the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of German folkdom and signed as such? AI believe I have heard that the RuSHA sometimes would also use the letterhead of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of German folkdom race and RuSHA. QCan you tell me one such decree from memory; of one such decree ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 95,400 | 95,900 |
what the document itself is by introducing the document itself, and show by the witness what action was taken under the document or under the decree; but I must insist again that you do not go into the contents of the decree with the witness. BY DR. SCHWARZ: QWitness, I would like to ask you what was the practical resu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 95,850 | 96,350 |
me to show this document to the witness. (Document handed to witness.) A.I could not answer this question with certainty because this document is dated December, 1939, and from that time, in the Reich Commissioner's office, I don't remember the letterhead used and all the other file marks. BY DR. SCHWARZ: Q.Witness, du... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 96,300 | 96,800 |
in the usual manner which is also used amongst official agencies, either by correspondence, by telephone or by conversations of the experts and discussions. Q.Did you ever deal with any questions concerning Group 3-B. A.Yes. Q.Would you tell us about some of those problems you dealt with? A.The chief of the RSHA, was a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 96,750 | 97,250 |
one who instigated this; either Bormann or Himmler established this office, according to my opinion. Q.Don't you know who actually carried out or initiated this? After all, Bormann had only carried out the establishment. A.I remember to have heard on some occasion that the man in charge of Amtsgruppe 3-B of the RSHA, w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 97,200 | 97,700 |
you also mentioned that that agreement only became known to you now. Is that correct? A.I don't believe that I testified in that manner. Q.Now do you wish to be more precise about your testimony, witness, concerning the knowledge about this agreement? A.I believe that the basic outlines of this agreement, that is to sa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 97,650 | 98,150 |
definition we use. The facts speak for themselves. Do you know, witness, that based on the incorporation of these territories together with the Soviet Union, several agreements were concluded between the Soviet Union and Germany concerning the resettlement of German nationals who were living in those former free countr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 98,100 | 98,600 |
AFor the largest part, yes. QDo you know how long they had been part of the German Reich? AI believe since the second partition of Poland, which was in 1785. QThese countries--I mean, Danzig and western Prussia--had they been taken away from the German Reich by the Versailles Treaty? AYes. Danzig and the old German pro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 98,550 | 99,050 |
these resettlers and new property? AThe resettlers had been promised to receive all those things. QDid Germany proper offer enough space for all the people who came from Bosnia and Wolhynia? AThe term "Raum-Not" means nothing else but a lack of space, and is not very definite. QYes, but the relativeness of this attitud... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 99,000 | 99,500 |
last question I put to you was whether you know the point of view according which the EWZ carried out the racial examinations. You answered that question in the negative. Now, I am asking you, do you know of similar situations in the EWZ. Do you know what principles on this selection were used concerning the immigratio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 99,450 | 99,950 |
you asked about that before your examination here? ADuring my interrogation, before I was examined here, I was asked about that point. QYour Honor I have no further question to ask. BY DR. HEIM (for the defendant Schwalm): - CROSS EXAMINATION QWitness, between the defendant Schwalm and the Main Staff Office, was there ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 99,900 | 100,400 |
its own initiative or did RuSHA act less by its own initiative and more at the instructions of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of Germanism. AI have to say that the persons at the Race Office whom I got to know in so-called racial matters displayed a certain amount of initiative of their own. QThank you, I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 100,350 | 100,850 |
EWZ? A.- I don't know. Q.- Did the Main Staff Office, Amt V make any payments to UWZ Umwandererzentrale? A.- I don't know. Q.- Witness, did the Main Staff Office make any payments to the representatives of the Reich Commissar for the advancing of Germanism? A.- Yes, to the representatives, the delegates. Q.- I meant th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 100,800 | 101,300 |
jurisdiction of the Central Office of the defendant Creutz include the giving of notices to be placed in public land registers, in regard to seized property? A.- I beg your pardon: I am afraid I didn't get that question. Q.- was part of the jurisdiction of the Central Office to deal with so-called sperrvermerke, to be ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 101,250 | 101,750 |
AYes. QIs it correct that this form was used in individual cases for the seizure and confiscation of property for the seizure of that property first? AYes. QWas this form served on those Poles or Jews whose property was seized? ANo, not generally speaking. QIn other words, if I understand correctly, was the property se... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 101,700 | 102,200 |
QWitness, did the defendant Schwarzenberger have any jurisdiction ever procurements. AYes, possibly. QDo you know whether he had anything to do with the procurement of clothing? AI don't know. QDid the defendant Schwarzenberger, according to your knowledge make any payments to Lebensborn for the execution of the kidnap... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 102,150 | 102,650 |
by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath) DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SHILLER: Q.Witness, what is your name? A.Erich von Bach-Zelewski. Q.When were you born,; and where? A.I was born on the 1st of March, 1899, in Lahnburg, in P... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 102,600 | 103,100 |
Ober Gruppenfuehrer Greifelt, a labor staff was set up in upper Silesia in Kattowitz; that labor staff was in accordance with Greifelt's instructions. And it was Altenau who was in charge of the labor staff and later on Alt was in charge. The directives were received from Greifelt. Q.Very well, witness. Did you know th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 103,050 | 103,550 |
received any orders from Himmler himself in that connection. Q.And will you please repeat very briefly in what capacity did Greifelt issue these orders? A.Greifelt, on orders of the Reich Fuehrer, in his capacity as Chief of the Main Staff Office, or something like that -- I can no longer remember the exact designation... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 103,500 | 104,000 |
area to be cleared? A.May I ask you whether you are referring to the province, or what are you referring to? Q.I am referring to the evacuation action in Danzig, West Prussia. A.Yes, I see. I think the first evacuations occurred from the Warthegau, and afterwards from West Prussia, But the evacuations took place on a m... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 103,950 | 104,450 |
an example for all agencies in Upper-Silesia which dealt with such matters, and to show them how such resettlement actions were to take place. I can't remember the exact name of the place out it was somewhere near Saibusch. Q.Witness, would you state approximately where Saibusch is and the approximate date of this acti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 104,400 | 104,900 |
will not repeat that question: Who were the people who were evacuated from these rural areas? APeople were evacuated who either pretended or actually themselves stated to be Poles, or those who, by virtue of the racial examination, were declared to be racially inferior. QWitness, who examined these people to determine ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 104,850 | 105,350 |
insight, it was given to esthnic Germans; but I know, for instance, that in the Wartheland, also larger areas were turned over to so-called Baltic Germans. QWitness, what happened to evacuated Poles? Where were they taken to? 24 Oct 1947_A_MSD_13_3_Gaylord (Simha) AFrom my own knowledge, I know that at the time an orde... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 105,300 | 105,800 |
out in an exact manner. Let me give you an example: it had to be stressed from above where all these things had to be transported: and as far as I can state that, of course, all these measures were discussed by Greifelt with all the other main offices and the Reich Secuirty Police, and so on, and they had been fundamen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 105,750 | 106,250 |
agricultural workers or as employees. QWitness, were there any officials of the Race and Settlement Office on this commission that examined these ethnic Germans to determine their suitability for resettlement? AYes, indeed, there were. This organization was carried out in the following manner, that every race or settle... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 106,200 | 106,700 |
we say, a Pole was particularly valuable racially Speaking, that is to say, if he was of a Germanic-Nordic race, then he was forced to register. In other words, he was told that he would just become a German citizen. QWhat happened to any Pole, told that since he had Germanic blood or was thought to have Germanic blood... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 106,650 | 107,150 |
defendant identified stand. 24 Oct 1947_A_MSD_14_4_Goldberg (Simha) MR. SHILLER:Very well, your Honor, I shall do that in the future. Would you like to have that done now, your Honor? (Defendant Hofmann rises) THE PRESIDENT:I didn't hear you. MR. SHILLER:I didn't notice if the defendant Hofmann stood up at this time or... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 107,100 | 107,600 |
AI do not know that the Main Race and Settlement Office or RuSHA in any way were connected with the practical execution of this Jewish extermination program, but I am convinced that RuSHA fulfilled the prerequisites for this extermination, in particular from an ideological point of view. Therefore, the SS participated ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 107,550 | 108,050 |
doubtful racial case they would be sent to a concentration camp and if the racial judgment considered him good enough for Germanization, then nothing happened to the man. On the contrary, he was even given the choice of becoming a German citizen. I don't know how it worked the other way around because I never did exper... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 108,000 | 108,500 |
very important for the entire racial regulations whether a man was half Jewish or one quarter Jewish. That could be seen from the index cards. Q.Do you know whether these RuSHA card files were used to establish the degree of Jewish blood of some particular person and thus determine his fate under the extermination prog... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 108,450 | 108,950 |
After 1940 as you stated yourself you had been appointed deputy Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism of the Reichsfuehrer Himmler. Where was your office at the time? A.- At Breslau. Q.- Didn't you have to have an office for your functions in Upper Silesia? A.- I stated before - Q.- What was the name of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 108,900 | 109,400 |
which I had I wrote the title under all 15 of them. Still I couldn't answer what the address was at that time. You know it was very, very complicated at that time. However, if you were to ask me where this mail was sent to before asking me what the letter head was like, then I would tell you it was sent to Kattowitz to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 109,350 | 109,850 |
Himmler and no one else. He was the so-called State Minister - THE PRESIDENT:You will be compelled to talk at one time if you expect the translator to get it all. When a question is asked the witness will please not answer the question until it has been translated and when the witness gives an answer counsel will pleas... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 109,800 | 110,300 |
shown plants and plans and is that correct? A:Yes, I was shown those things all the time; Greifelt only came not on one occasion but came to see me all the time at Kattowitz and the Staff leaders came to see me a few times a week, even came to our place in Berlin; that was nothing but a shuttle service. Q:Where were th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 110,250 | 110,750 |
whom was the Police subordinated? A:To the Landrat or then to his superior who was the Oberpraesident-- Q:Let's go a little bit higher - A: --- Yes and Higher Police Leader was in charge of all the sections of the SS but he was not in charge of the police - Q: ---- Let's go a little bit higher up, witness. Who was in c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 110,700 | 111,200 |
races. Do you understand now? A:Yes. Q:You spoke about a commission and in this commission you mentioned a few people who undoubtedly were not subordinated to Greifelt's agency and I mentioned the alien policy to you? A:Yes. Q:And I wanted to have you tell me that the RSHA, Reich Security Main Office, played a large pa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 111,150 | 111,650 |
to talk at the same time and not to talk so fast. This examination will be useless if it does not get into the record and surely counsel wants it in the record. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q:We were speaking about the German People's List, what I wanted to ask you was whether you read how this German, Peoples List or, DVL was esta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 111,600 | 112,100 |
but the question is whether the DVL, Point III or IV, was to be applied under certain persons that after all was dictated by some one in particular, and that is what created the compulsion; isn't that correct? A.Mr. Defense Counsel, please don't make my position as a German citizen any more difficult. I was very clear ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 112,050 | 112,550 |
office of Greifelt; for instance, concerning this resettlement. Did you pretest in any way? A.Mr. Defense Counsel, you as a lawyer will probably know that it is proved here very clearly; for instance, let me remind you about the Government General which Sauckel testified and their families; and let me remind you of my ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 112,500 | 113,000 |
other Gauleiters and Stathalters which you mentioned in the Warthegau, Forster or Greiser, for instance, and all these, what was the relationship there ? A.Greiser from the SS point of view was also an old SS man. I mean there is no certain type; Mr. Defense Counsel, you don't understand me; you don't know how the whol... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 112,950 | 113,450 |
PRESIDENT:I will see how far it goes. Go ahead. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Therefore, was the authority of power of Greifelt's agency in essential poings limited, in connection with the question as to how and for what purpose the disposition of properties was carried out? A.I don't know. I have no idea nor knowledge. I don't kn... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 113,400 | 113,900 |
I can't say anything at all. I can't say whether he was there or not. Q.You then said that on the occasion of this discussion in Saybusch, definite plans concerning the resettlement problem were submitted, and that according to your opinion, the so-called large planning--Grosse Planung--of Berlin, and the small plannin... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 113,850 | 114,350 |
still remember how one village was grouped around the community house--whether it was longitudinal or whether it was thrown together or whether it was singly spaced-and there were thousands of problems like this involved, and all these facts were ordered by Greifelt. Now the local execution: this was done by the settle... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 114,300 | 114,800 |
Breslau. Do you know that this was handled differently in other Gaus? A.- No, I don't know the details of this. I can't know it. Q.- In your further testimony, you mentioned the incident of an evacuation and resettlement. Is it correct that in the later stages of the resettlement drives, and particularly so in the vari... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 114,750 | 115,250 |
-- or settlement -- but I was speaking of the German Peoples' List. In making your testimony in direct examination, did you not mention commissions in connection with the German People's List? Did you not think of them? A.- In answer to questions concerning western Prussia, referring to German Peoples' List in Prussia,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 115,200 | 115,700 |
people who were assembled in a camp -- were settled by VOMI. They had been introduced into the Reich by VOMI. I, therefore, know from this fact that VOMI was involved. VOMI brought the people. Q.- Witness, deputies or commissioners of VOMI, if I understand you correctly, did not participate in the evacuation project of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 115,650 | 116,150 |
elite of the Party and the Party program was known. Q.- What did this elite consist of? What do you understand under racial selection with in the SS? A.- It was rather primitive. There was a minimum of prescription only. At that time there was no Race and Settlement Main Office and no racial referent. Q.- How did this ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 116,100 | 116,600 |
the deputies of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism, you mentioned that the former SS and Police Leaders, whoever they may have been, had a special agency established which was generally under the staff leader of the administrative area of the SS. Is that correct? A.- No, that is wrong. A Staff Fuehr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 116,550 | 117,050 |
these people were billeted. Q.- Do you know the resettlement center at Silesia? A.- In Litzmannstadt? Q.- Did this agency have anything to do with these tasks? A.- Yes. Q.- What groups existed in the German People's List? A.- In my first examination I already stated that I don't know the details. Q.- Then I don't have ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 117,000 | 117,500 |
Darre, desired to remove the Jews from the soil, but this was a side aim. His main aim, of course, was the racial selection within the SS itself. Q.- Witness, you know the exaggerated organization of the so-called Third Reich. Each agency had its individual jurisdiction. Is it correct that the Racial political office s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 117,450 | 117,950 |
within the SS only? A:Counsel, I would like to formulate the sentence once again as follows: The ideological training, not only of the SS but as a whole, is of course a prerequisite for this racial catastrophy. Q:I only asked you on the special SS training. A:Attorney, the SS training is a part of the entire anti-Semit... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 117,900 | 118,400 |
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