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in the occupied territories for the Lebensborn in order to see to it that Lebensborn homes would be set up there? A.No, I told you already the Lebensborn itself never set up any homes in the occupied area. Q.Were you ever concerned with financial matters in the Lebensborn? A.No. Q.In the affidavit which already has bee... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,198,350 | 1,198,850 |
reception of the children involved. Q.Whom did you go to see in Posen? A.Dr. Bartels. Q.What was Dr Bartels' position there? A.He was director of the Autonomous Gau Administration. Q.At that time did Dr. Bartels have any connection with the Lebensborn? A.No. Q.Later on did he enter a personal or official contact with t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,198,800 | 1,199,300 |
every time. Q.Do you know what were the reasons in general for these assignments? A.Yes, Gauhauptman Schulz had a great interest in the work of the Lebensborn and above all he saw to it that Lebensborn mathers worked with the children, got jobs where they could bring up their children themselves and in connection with ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,199,250 | 1,199,750 |
any doubts with regard to the addition of the Warthegau to the German Reich in any way? ANo. QOr did any others in the Lebensborn have doubts concerning this partition of the Warthegau to the German Reich? ANo. QIs it correct that the autonomous gau administration was a state agency? AYes. QDid you or according to your... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,199,700 | 1,200,200 |
consideration; and apart from that, I was told again and again during my interrogations that this was not the point; that the point was only now to find out where these children were and that I should dig out all my assumptions and my memories and tell the interrogator about them because this way the inquiries for the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,200,150 | 1,200,650 |
far as the distribution of management was concerned, these children were dealt with by the Lebensborn in the same manner as children born within the homes of the Lebensborn? AAs long as I had to deal with that, yes, at the beginning, that is. QFor how long did you have to deal with these children? AUntil about May, 194... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,200,600 | 1,201,100 |
of the Autonomous Gau Administration. AAbout in July or August, 1942. QCan you state, approximately, how many such children arrived at the Lebensborn homes as long as you were dealing with the work for these children? AA out twenty-five to thirty. QCan you give us a statement with regard to the question of how many suc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,201,050 | 1,201,550 |
the children were allowed to have correspondence with their foster parents and acquaintances? ANo. QDid other persons issue you orders concerning that question in your presence? AI never heard about that. QDo you know anything about the question of whether the Lebensborn issued directives to the foster parents of such ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,201,500 | 1,202,000 |
the anteroom, I talked with the adjutant, Herr Ueberschar, and told him that somebody had to go to Prague, and asked him whether he wasn't ready to take care of that matter himself, because Herr Ueberschar had told me that he wanted to visit a comrade from his regiment who was in Prague, and, therefore, he requested me... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,201,950 | 1,202,450 |
don't think that that was contained in Herr Ueberschar file note. I didn't even have knowledge that there was such a thing as a concentration camp of Ravensbrueck, and according to my recollection, there was nothing contained in the file note either with regard to the state action. I think that it is a suggestion of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,202,400 | 1,202,900 |
children were not orphans but that there was a mother, and that the foster mother was to make up her mind as to whether she was ready to take these children temporarily, because doubtlessly the mother would one day come back and claim the children. Apart from that, I advised the expert that she should inform the Person... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,202,850 | 1,203,350 |
the picture completely. QUnder No. 3 of your affidavit you say that you had discussed the matter with Dr. Tesch, that it is true, in the last sentence but one, that Dr. Tesch did not venture an opinion with regard to that question. Now, there is a certain contradiction. Can you explain that? ADuring my interrogation I ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,203,300 | 1,203,800 |
Czechoslovakian children to be brought there, as can he seen from Exhibit 720. What can you say about that? AThe directors of the children's home of the autonomous administration knew that the Lebensborn would deal with the clothing for German children, and therefore they again approached me in order to see to it that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,203,750 | 1,204,250 |
there primitively, and who were supposed to be moved away from there as soon as possible. Q.Who was this Herr Obersteiner? A.No was a member of the agency of the Higher SS and Police Leader of Alpenland. Q.But in your affidavit, Exhibit 391, you state that you had negotiated with the RuSHA in Salzburg. Is that statemen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,204,200 | 1,204,700 |
was only a question of moving out all the inmates of this transient camp in St. Viet as soon as possible and bringing them into better surroundings; that is to say, all inmates, and not only the children. Q.Do you remember whether the expression "bandit children" was used in the course of this conference? A.No, no, I c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,204,650 | 1,205,150 |
children? AHerr Roedl showed me the very primitive conditions in which the children lived and complained about the fact that he had a lot of trouble to take care of these children as was required, for instance he could not get milk for the infants, he did not have any bakeries and there were only straw sacks to sleep o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,205,100 | 1,205,600 |
agency what the Lebensborn could do for these children. QDid the Lebensborn take any action on its awn initiative on this matter? ANo. QWhat did you hear later on about this matter of the children? ALate on there was correspondence with the Vomi in Berlin which 28 Jan 1948_A_MSD_14_3_Cohen (Reischer) turned to the Lebe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,205,550 | 1,206,050 |
still a number of very small children which were supposed to be taken into a home of the Lebensborn on a temporary basis. Later on there was also a conference with the NSV in Berlin which also had something to do with the care of these children. At this conference also two gentlemen of the Vomi participated and on the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,206,000 | 1,206,500 |
NSV. QDo you know that Lebensborn cared for these families - for the children without family ties from Upper Carniola in the camps of the Vomi by sending them clothing? ANo, I really can't remember because I didn't have any dealings with the matter. QDo you remember that the Reich Youth Leader once asked the Lebensborn... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,206,450 | 1,206,950 |
to be brought up in Germany since another son of theirs already lived in Germany. QIn your affidavit Exhibit 414 you stated that in 1942 you made a trip to Romania on the orders of Herr Sollmann. What led up to this trip? AIn the Spring of 1942 the district womens leader of Romania Dr Lydia Mueller visited the Lebensbo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,206,900 | 1,207,400 |
the effect that the Lebensborn be included in the distribution list of the agency from the OKW which was competent for such matters? ANo, I don't know anything about such incidents. QDo you know, upon whose initiative the letter of the Reich Fuehrer SS personal staff of 17 October 1942, Exhibit 446 was written? In this... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,207,350 | 1,207,850 |
that. Herr Sollmann, after several invitations, decided to go to Krakau himself. I was sent there one day before, in order to establish the time of the various conferences and in order to get him a place to stay. QDid you take part in the conference Herr Sollmann had with Herr Krueger? AYes, I was there and Frau Merkl ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,207,800 | 1,208,300 |
a maternity home, and there too I inspected the applications of women for being received into such a home. QWho established this home in Belgium? AThe higher SS and Police Leader. QDo you know upon whose expense this home in Belgium was established? AAs far as I know, the Germanic regional office. QIs this fact connect... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,208,250 | 1,208,750 |
QDuring this period of time, were there any children brought to Germany from this home? AThe first children that were born there were only 8 to 14 days old and could not possibly be brought to Germany. QWitness, in the course of your activities with the Lebensborn, did you ever gain knowledge of the decree of the Reich... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,208,700 | 1,209,200 |
its own in these territories. Q.- In your affidavit, Exhibit 17, you stated that together with Frau Klipp-Merkl you had inspected various buildings in Warsaw and the eastern environment of Warsaw for the purpose of establishing Lebensborn homes. Who gave you the order to do that? A.- Following the conference between He... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,209,150 | 1,209,650 |
of the gau self-administration. Did you have anything to do with the seizure of these goods? A.- No, here again I have to say that in the course of my interrogation I certainly did not talk about the equipment of Polish children, for after all the gau self-administration did not have any Polish children in their homes.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,209,600 | 1,210,100 |
you please comment on that. A.- After I was arrested by the Prosecution in my apartment in Isabellastrasse 13 in Munich, they would have had to ascertain that Herr Brandmaier brought these things into my apartment at Kurfuerstenplatz 1 in which I was no longer living since 17 February 1942. Q.- Witness, in the course o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,210,050 | 1,210,550 |
in the course of my interrogation I was not asked this or interrogated about it any more, whether or not the formulation in these affidavits were all correct, but one simply informed Dr. Dueker of the fact on the strength of the Viermetz affidavit he was to be extradited to Poland. The man has four children and what it... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,210,500 | 1,211,000 |
name Viermetz as an employee of Lebensborn? ANo. QFrom and after the 1st of September, 1939? AAs from the 1st of September, 1939; yes; yes, that is right. QDid the department for foster homes handle all children who were in the custody of Lebensborn and who were placed with German foster families; is that the one and o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,210,950 | 1,211,450 |
1942. At any rate it was still during the period when I worked in the Main Department "A". QWhen you were in Department "A"? AYes. QNow, coming to a new subject. When did you first make a trip outside of the old Reich for the purpose of inspecting children and negotiating concerning children? AYou mean outside of Germa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,211,400 | 1,211,900 |
to us as being ethnic Germans; all of them. QDoes that mean that when you went to a place like the Puschkau home and you saw children there, that all of them were supposed to be ethnic Germans in that home? AWell, I have to comment on that. I was only once in Puschkau, you see, and Puschkau after all was not one of the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,211,850 | 1,212,350 |
such reports, but it is quite possible, quite possible, that Kalisch would once in a while report to the Lebensborn if it was a question of an ethnic German child. QWould you take merely Kalisch's word for the fact that they had an ethnic German child? AI am sorry, I didn't understand your question. QWould you take Kal... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,212,300 | 1,212,800 |
number of them who were there together with their parents, that's why I can't tell you. QJust what was your purpose in going to St. Veit again? AI wanted to know whether it was really necessary to take Part of these children who were quite alone and to take them away and right away into Lebensborn homes, but I did asce... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,212,750 | 1,213,250 |
higher SS and police leader in Belgium. QWas he also a Lebensborn representative there? ANo. The Lebensborn representative with the higher SS and police leader in Brussels, that is to say, at Herr Jungklaus' office, was May. QWas who? AMay, M-a-y. QWill you kindly state the date When you were dismissed finally by the d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,213,200 | 1,213,700 |
questions of doubt, and then he would see to it that Herr Sollmann made the decisions. QDid Herr Sollmann have a deputy towards the outside world? ANo, towards the outside world, there was no deputy for Herr Sollmann. However, solely in legal matters Herr Sollmann could be deputized for by two persons, but in every sin... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,213,650 | 1,214,150 |
dependents of soldiers killed in action. About one or two months before the Legal Department was founded, the expert for the affairs of ethnic German orphans was dismissed and Dr. Tesch also became active in that field. QNow, under No. 3 of your affidavit you state that Marriage Registration Office L, the director of w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,214,100 | 1,214,600 |
was necessary in the interest of the parties involved. Q.In your affidavit you went on to state that the ethnic Germans from the Wartegau were treated as foundlings in the clauses of the marriage registration office. what do you mean to say by that? A.The expression "foundling" is according to the personal status law n... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,214,550 | 1,215,050 |
way connected with camouglagint their descent, keeping it secret? A.No, a camouflaging or secrecy in that connection did not exist and it was not intended at all. Precautions were taken to see to it that there was no publicity about the names and this was done in thefollowing manner. The new names established by the ma... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,215,000 | 1,215,500 |
the name on the order of the higher level of authority. Q.Well, were there names in these cases that could have been changed? Did thenames exist already? A.No, there were no official names in existence and therefore one cannot speak of a change because there was nothing that could have been changed. Q.Now, to turn back... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,215,450 | 1,215,950 |
the incoming mail at all and never got it into his hands. I initialed it myself and I would send it and distribute it to the individual departments. Only such letters which contained important information I handed directly to Dr. Tesch, but the mail for the marriage registration office and for the police registration o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,215,900 | 1,216,400 |
QOne last question. Now how can you explain witness, that your affidavit, as we have seen today, in your examination here, needed in certain points restification or clarification? AAt the time I gave only brief answer to the questions put to me by the interrogator. For the rest, these 1st months I used in order to refr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,216,350 | 1,216,850 |
fact that the translation department will be instructed not to receive for translation any of these instruments just referred to after the dates that have just been announced. So unless they are in the hands of the translation department by that time they just will not get into the case. Is counsel for Huebner in the c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,216,800 | 1,217,300 |
this capacity of yours, did you know anything about the constant defense fight of the minorities in Poland and of their existence? A.Yes, that was my main task which I had to carry out. Q.Your main task. Would you describe that in more detail please? A.To stand up for the German minority in parliament and to see that t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,217,250 | 1,217,750 |
German schools and not to Polish ones? AWe attached value to it, of course, that our children were brought up in a German way, that they learned the German language and the German language was not taught in the Polish schools, and at one time was even prohibited. Apart from that they were brought up to hate everything ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,217,700 | 1,218,200 |
these children were brought into Polish orphanages or into Polish families so that we could no longer influence them. QBecause of such violations of the rights of the minorities of the German orphan children, did you undertake any stems officially? AI visited the Minister of the Interior, the Prime Minister -- QFor the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,218,150 | 1,218,650 |
German names. The name of the Prime Minister was Bortels? the state secretary for Postal Matters was Kuehn; the Minister of the Interior was called Vick. All those are German names. QAnd yet - AAnd yet there were Poles. On the other hand, I knew quite a number of Germans who have Polish names. I know Poladewski, Gregod... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,218,600 | 1,219,100 |
orphans who were brought into Polish orphanages if the documents give no information about this? If the names did not help, we cannot draw conclusions according to names; if we cannot clarify it according to the language, and if no other certificates testified about this, then what possibility was there? AThat was very... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,219,050 | 1,219,550 |
this program? AYes, in a certain sense they did. QIn what certain sense? AIn as far as they were Catholic children. QAnd just what did they do, these church officials? AI am not a Catholic and had no means to find out in detail just what they did, but I do know about it from the German clergymen who belonged to the Ger... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,219,500 | 1,220,000 |
churches also participated in this. Will you please tell us whether the church participated in the struggle? AI don't quite understand the question. QDid the churches also play a part -- the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church? AYes, of course. We had our own church. We Protestants, for example, and the German Ca... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,219,950 | 1,220,450 |
the Interior decided upon them. I also had to deal with the changing of names according to German Reich Law. At the request of mothers or fathers who had children out of wedlock, and whose children had been born in Lebensborn homes, these children were given the name of the father. The applications were made by the Leb... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,220,400 | 1,220,900 |
R-4 were considered ethnic German orphans without family ties by the Lebensborn. QWere these cases of ethnic German children dealt with secretly or publicly in the Lebensborn? ADo you mean to say whether the DepartmentR-4was a secret department ? QYes, that is what I mean. AThe DepartmentR-4was a sphere of work within ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,220,850 | 1,221,350 |
on affairs of the ethnic German children, about these considerations of his and whether he gave him instructions accordingly? ADr. Tesch informed Herr Heintze vary well about his sphere of work and detailed instructions were given to him as to how he should handle these cases in practice. QIn the Lebensborn how did the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,221,300 | 1,221,800 |
of the agreements which had been reached with the Soviet Union, Poland was not in existence any more. Consequently, the children could not have any Polish citizenship any more according to the German law. It would have been easy now to take the children which the Lebensborn considered as belonging to the German ethnic ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,221,750 | 1,222,250 |
data contained in the files to carry on any investigations. The head registrar at Lodz told me the following: Several months ago the Court No. I, Case No. VIII. church registers in this territory had been incorporated into the German Registrar's Office at Lodz, no registrar's office had existed there before, and the fo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,222,200 | 1,222,700 |
would have some sort of identification for these children. These certificates which you, Counselor, have just mentioned, after very detailed and precise considerations, which were made by Dr. Tesch, represented the minimum of what the foster parents needed in order to get the food ration cards and clothing ration cards... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,222,650 | 1,223,150 |
of hiding the origin and the changing of names of the children? AAs far as the work of the Lebensborn in this field is concerned, we cannot speak about the hiding of any facts at all. There wasn't the slightest reason or motive for us to do so. QI now would like to put to you a Prosecution document; this is Prosecution... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,223,100 | 1,223,600 |
should take over the Court No. I, Case No. VIII. guardianship over illegitimate children of Polish descent, and the Reich Ministry of the Interior in order to clarify this question then should establish contact with the Lebensborn. I now want to ask you, witness, did the Lebensborn ever accept such guardianship or did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,223,550 | 1,224,050 |
AThe Lebensborn received these children from the autonomous district administration of the Warthegau as ethnic German children. With regard to the origin of these children, the Lebensborn had to rely upon the official assurances and declarations of the autonomous district administration in this case. QIn this connectio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,224,000 | 1,224,500 |
QNow, have you ever-- I want to hand you a document, and I want to see if You recognize this document. (Document submitted to witness) Is that an affidavit which you have given to the Prosecution? AYes, indeed. QAnd that bears your signature, is that correct? AYes, this is a photostatic copy of an affidavit which I gav... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,224,450 | 1,224,950 |
examine the witness in redirect examination with regard to the mistakes contained in this affidavit? REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. SCHMIDT: QWitness, do you still have this document before you now? ANo. QI then shall hand you a copy now, in the document book. I am now going to examine you with regard to the individual po... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,224,900 | 1,225,400 |
in this form. A Lebensborn representative was a person who had declared himself willing in his field of work to look after the interests of the Lebensborn. Of course this was only done on a voluntary basis. This meant, as far as the Warthegau was concerned, that Dr. Bartels tried, in the scope of the possibilities whic... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,225,350 | 1,225,850 |
the most part adept the names of the fester parents. After Heintze took over these matters, I think in the fall of 1943? I lost contact with the entire question. QIn your affidavit, in this connection you also mention the fact that approximately fifty to sixty Polish names of the children had been changed by Frau von B... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,225,800 | 1,226,300 |
AYes, this was a fault of my recollection, which I have to correct. I can only positive remember this one particular case; by the way this list must have come from Warthegau. QNow, you went on to say in your affidavit that Dr. Tesch in practice was the sole representative of the Board of Directors of the Lebensborn. Do... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,226,250 | 1,226,750 |
to the Lebensborn a number of children were located at Achern and Niederaltaich. The Decree 67-1 which mentions the fact that part of the children was to be taken care of by the home schools was not known to me at the time and it was not even known to me at the time when I gave this affidavit. That is why I assumed tha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,226,700 | 1,227,200 |
more at this time, and I believe that this was a case from the Warthegau. Just to what this case referred I don't know any more, but I only remember, that the Main Staff Office was requested to give us assistance on some occasion. Herr Creutz, however, was unable to assist us. QAnd now my final question. THE PRESIDENT:... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,227,150 | 1,227,650 |
matter of the Main Staff Office." ANo, with that I refer to those children who were under the care of Lebensborn. QAnd did the Main Staff Office have anything to do with it? AThat is what I assumed at the time. QAnd on what was your opinion based? AI have already stated in the affidavit, and that is quite correct, that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,227,600 | 1,228,100 |
with me which he had received at that time. This decree concerned matters which were also contained in the decree 67/1, however, as far as I recollect this decree had not been issued by the commissar for the strengthening of Germandom but the minister of the interior in other words by our Superior Administrative author... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,228,050 | 1,228,550 |
down to the consultants. Concerning other administrative relations one has to make a difference between the self-administration and the administration of tasks and specialized tasks. The gau self administration has to deal with various tasks within the different spheres, being responsible for expert matters, that is th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,228,500 | 1,229,000 |
or the Rusha? AWe had no organizational relations whatever with the Rusha because this was not an authority of the government administration. We had no organizational relations with the Reich commissar either but if it says in a law that the gau self administration will cooperate with the Rusha then of course we had to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,228,950 | 1,229,450 |
of view, their knowledge and education - that is, everything was determined that was necessary in order to form an opinion on a child so that one could send it to foster parents and assume responsibility for doing so. Apart from that, in Kalisch the children were examined psychologically. This examination was not carri... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,229,400 | 1,229,900 |
they be allowed to establish all this, but that they could maintain and supervise all this themselves. Concerning the ethnic Germans in the former province of Poznan, that is the larger part of the Warthegau, special assurance had been given. This assurance was to the effect that the Polish authorities and the district... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,229,850 | 1,230,350 |
welfare organization and the church organization. In the year 1939, in December, I came to Poznan. At that time, of German welfare organizations only the German Protestant Diaconys Institution in Poznan still existed and the Jostrecker Institution in Pleschen. I can say this for certain because I myself was a member of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,230,300 | 1,230,800 |
the Polish authorities or at least we did not find them. But I can say that in the German eastern provinces which are immediately on the Polish border* one cay say that there were three or four per thousand. This estimation varies a little according to social conditions in such a province. The official conditions in th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,230,750 | 1,231,250 |
be noticed. QWitness, how many children were there in all who were registered under the Decree 67-1? AIn all, there were about 250 who were sent to Kalisch and there were no others. QAs far as you know, how many did the Lebensborn get? AAbout 120 or 130. QWhat about the rest? AThey were sent to the home school inspecto... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,231,200 | 1,231,700 |
families. If they wanted this first of all they had to return to Obornik. The children's nurse would take them back there. There they would have to go to their relatives and if their relatives agreed they could return to Kalisch and in that case I would try to get them jobs. The majority of the girls then returned to K... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,231,650 | 1,232,150 |
the children with the children. What did those files contain, identification and certificates? AThat would differ. Some children still had Polish papers, and it is these Polish papers of which I would like to talk first. For reasons I do not know, they were in such a state that reliable conclusions could not be drawn f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,232,100 | 1,232,600 |
the results of those attempts. The result was on the whole very discouraging. What transpired was that re-examinations concerning the name of the children showed in almost any case that the names were not correct. The names which were in the files, in the Polish files in the youth office, contained the names of the Pol... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,232,550 | 1,233,050 |
this: that we were not used to work with such papers and that apart from that in each affair where the Lebensborn was concerned you heard of the same difficulties that they had if there some parents who wanted to adopt or foster a child and there were no papers which gave detailed information about it and they could no... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,233,000 | 1,233,500 |
such children and claim their children back? ANobody came to me personally about this, but I do know from reports of a matron, Fraeulein Zander, that in some cases people approached her. Almost without exception but they were registered as former foster parents. I personally recall only one case which was different and... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,233,450 | 1,233,950 |
the list which was compiled for the group which had to go to Oberweiss. QDid you know anything about the police registration agency at Kalisch? AIn this connection I can only say the following: The order for the establishment of such a registration agency was given to us by the Government President at Lodz, and in any ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,233,900 | 1,234,400 |
pretty well. QIn this trial it has been mentioned that Polish parents had seen fit as a result of unfavorable economic conditions to give away their children, and that German authorities exploited the situation. AI want to say that this may have happened in exceptional cases; this can always happen. I believe that I ca... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,234,350 | 1,234,850 |
with the selection of these children? A.No. Q.Did the Lebensborn determine what children were to be sent to the home at Kalisch or the home at Bruckau? A.No. Q.Who carried out the selection of who was to go where? A.I believe I have already stated that the local and Municipal Youth Offices, in collaboration with the ex... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,234,800 | 1,235,300 |
Lebensborn--that is to say, its collaborators-have any direct connection with these incidents? A.No. Q.Can one say that the District self Administration was the only source from which the collaborators of the Lebensborn received their knowledge about the children? A.Yes, one can say that. The only source of information... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,235,250 | 1,235,750 |
the time when the evacuation COURT I CASE VIII of the Warthegau took place. Actually, it would have been completed by 1944 if the Lebensborn had been able to find foster homes more quickly for the children which it received, so that we could have turned the children over to their foster parents more quickly. Throughout... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,235,700 | 1,236,200 |
can recall, the situation was that the majority of the children from the Polish orphanages had already been turned over to Polish foster homes. Of the many thousands to which this applied, a considerable number still remained. As to the remainder, the District Youth Offices assumed that the remaining children were of e... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,236,150 | 1,236,650 |
Decree 67-1. What was meant by that term in the District Self Administration? A.In this connection I can only say that with me, and in the District Self Administration, it did not make any difference at all. We understood it to mean, as it must be understood in the terminology, that Polanized German children--and that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,236,600 | 1,237,100 |
me the same thing that he told me at Poznan, and then I told him that he understood still less of the pediological judgment than I did as a legal expert and that I could not interfere in the business of the matron of the home who was an expert in that field. I told him that we would have to know how long we needed in o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,237,050 | 1,237,550 |
and he also told me that in a question of this kind he certainly would not allow Dr. Kolditz to interfere. QThe children which the Lebensborn received, therefore, in your opinion were Polonized ethnic German orphans without any family ties? AIs that the end of your question? Yes, I believe I am still as convinced of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,237,500 | 1,238,000 |
but it may have been about six cases. QAs far as you know were the collaborators of the Lebensborn acquainted with the local conditions in the Warthegau? ANo, one cannot say that is my opinion. After all they only came to the Warthegau very rarely, and whenever they were there they would only stay there for a few days.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,237,950 | 1,238,450 |
in Germany. The gauhauptmann agreed to that and individual children were sent there and of course the Lebensborn had to pay for expenses of these children and subsistence, furthermore, there were children in this home which were not the responsibility of the district youth office and which children had been sent by oth... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,238,400 | 1,238,900 |
were there different classifications, did you have ethnic German orphans, orphans eligible for Germanization, children of soldiers, did you have such groups? A.No, we did not differentiate there. That was up to the district self administration and this becomes quite clear if we give consideration to the fact that the d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,238,850 | 1,239,350 |
would like to supplement the announcement made this morning which has already been given to Dr. Haensel as the spokesman for the defense counsel about getting the message over to the other attorneys. The dates named this morning are the last dates that the written final please can be filed with the translation departme... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,239,300 | 1,239,800 |
later than 9:00 a.m. February 13, so that the written briefs to be filed with the court but not read in court, must be in the hands of the translation department not later than 9:00 a.m. February 13. The other dates announced yesterday morning are correct. Defense counsel who are present will please call attention to c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,239,750 | 1,240,250 |
briefly please. As a lawyer, I am sure that you must understand that in all of your answers you are going very much more into detail than will be helpful to the Tribunal. Please state the facts concisely and not in such painful detail. THE WITNESS:Very well. A (Cont'd) On the 1st of May, 1933, I joined the NSDAP and I ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,240,200 | 1,240,700 |
in a home and between this child and the foster parents already in the home such a good relationship had started that we could not do anything better than to give it into that foster home. I still have a picture of this child and in my opinion it shows better than I can say just how much we looked after these children.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,240,650 | 1,241,150 |
parents requested us, by way of the youth offices, that the children should be placed in the meantime into foster homes in Germany proper until they themselves were again living under orderly conditions. Q.Did these children have any contact with their relatives? A.Yes, they had contact with their relatives and they al... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,241,100 | 1,241,600 |
in order to take these children for away so that they could not be located any more? A.I believe I don't have to state again that whatever was done was done for the well-being of the children. That the children could be traced I have also said, as far as I can recall, because inquiries were made and children were retur... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,241,550 | 1,242,050 |
you know we will not consider that.(Interruption) I say, the Tribunal has laid down a very broad rule as to lattitude, since the agreement as to time has been reached, but to require the Tribural to sit here and listen to what people think is a waste of time, and we will not be governed by what anybody thinks. DR RATZ:... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,242,000 | 1,242,500 |
III were more than twenty of such homes and institutions, but the fact that we accepted thirteen children, that happened actually every day, it was just an every day measure. This was completely handled by the Home Matron who were exports, and handled by the expert worker in that case. QFrom where were the children bro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,242,450 | 1,242,950 |
two other children who came to Oberweiss, However, I don't know if any foster-homes were found for those children. Can you still give us the names of some of these foster-homes? AYou are referring to foster-homes in the Wartegau where the children were sent. From my memory I can still recall the following foster-homes:... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,242,900 | 1,243,400 |
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