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origin. However, all this happened before I entered the Lebensborn. In the same paragraph of this affidavit, I later on speak again of the EWZ at Lodz which had been subordinated to Obersturmbannfuehrer Walter Donguss. Here I want to refer once more to the statement which I have just made a while ago. In paragraph 2 of... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,153,350 | 1,153,850 |
I gave about the position of Dr. Tesch. I assume that this is Prosecution Exhibit 588. However, this may also be Prosecution Exhibit 74 because I think these two numbers were mixed up, as far as I could find out. QWitness, in order to clarify a mistake I want to come back once more to my previous question. You stated t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,153,800 | 1,154,300 |
subsidiary, the Tropical Oil Company, and I told him that I carried on a commercial activity in the commissary of this company. Then, in the report of the interrogator suddenly the expression appeared "grocery store of a private firm." I told him that the Standard Oil was hardly a private firm and that in the commissar... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,154,250 | 1,154,750 |
after I had been put into solitary confinement in the meantime, where I spent about 100 days, on 8 April 1947, I was told that the previous interrogations which were carried out in my case, did not provide sufficient material, and what the Lebensborn had done, was quite in order, As a matter of fact it could be said th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,154,700 | 1,155,200 |
finished now. The same expression, "those guys from over there" was already used by a friendly American guard who on 13 March 1947 took me from my cell where I was together with somebody else into a solitary cell in accordance with orders which he had received. This transfer took place on 13 March 1947. On 12 March 194... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,155,150 | 1,155,650 |
even have her own bed any more for two and a half years. All this method I can only consider to be a system with which confusion or a policy of confusion was to be carried on and this policy was also successful to the extent, that, since documents have been submitted, which consist of affidavits which I can only consid... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,155,600 | 1,156,100 |
knowledge after they had happened. In one case one of my collaborators had to dispute with a free worker of the Dutch nationality. At the time I made an immediate investigation of this case. I did this personally. I did not have this done by the personnel chief. Immediately after it had come to my knowledge, that is to... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,156,050 | 1,156,550 |
on. I know that all prisoners of that detachment were precisely informed of this entire matter and that in particular I know that the inmate who allegedly was maltreated knew quite clearly that I had nothing whatsoever to do with this alleged maltreatment; that I had not ordered it and it did not meet with my approval;... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,156,500 | 1,157,000 |
of Lebensborn because he was not honest, and because we could prove that he had committed a theft. Furthermore, the defense of Mrs. Viermetz has tried to get a rejection of the affidavit which Brandmeyer gave, insofar as Mrs. Viermetz was to be incriminated by it also. From this affidavit which Brandmeyer gave to the d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,156,950 | 1,157,450 |
basis for the verdict of the IMT. DR. RATZ:Thank you; I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the cross examination. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. NEELY: QHerr Sollmann, from what you have been saying here for about a day and a half now, I gather from all this testimony that what you would have this Tribunal... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,157,400 | 1,157,900 |
SS? AIt is possible that this assumption is based upon a translation of Viermetz' interrogation which is not correct. When I look at the formulations, and I don't have then before me at the moment, then I do not find a single sentence which tells that the Lebensborn by carrying out a population policy was, for example,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,157,850 | 1,158,350 |
I first of all issued the fundamental directive orally and in writing that all steps were to be taken which would show the origin of these children, if their status was unclarified. Actually that should be sufficient if I mention that we in the Lebensborn, for example, I believe nine or ten or at times we had twelve la... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,158,300 | 1,158,800 |
Let's stick a little closer to the questions I ask you. Now, the purpose of sending these reports to Greifelt was a concern of Himmler, was it not? AI don't know just how Greifelt came to make request reports; I don't know. Himmler personally was interested in these children. QAnd how did Himmler receive this informati... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,158,750 | 1,159,250 |
the Yugoslav children, and we won't quibble with the names of what you called them. However, this morning you testified about contacting the Higher SS and Police Leader in Salzburg, and he told you to take care of some children. Now, could you give us the name of that Higher SS and Police Leader? A.Yes, his name was Ro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,159,200 | 1,159,700 |
and I personally participated in the search for this mother. However, I am fortunate in that I can prove that I participated in the search since 1942 and 1943. Q.That was Professor Samal's child? A.Professor Samal, yes. Q.The one who was murdered in Berlin by the secret police? A.I still don't know that today. Q.Now I ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,159,650 | 1,160,150 |
First of all, I didn't say "deputies", but I said "representatives". Secondly, they didn't work against me, but they worked with me, against the intentions of the Higher SS and Police Leader to establish Lebensborn homes in the occupied territories. Q.But you still called them Lebensborn representatives and, we should ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,160,100 | 1,160,600 |
MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. THE PRESIDENT:Any final questions by the defense? MAX SOLLMANN- Resumed QUESTIONS BY THE PRESIDENT: QMr. Witness, you testified that during an interrogation prior to making some affidavit that you were threatened by the interrogator. Who was that interrogator? AThat was interro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,160,550 | 1,161,050 |
my own experience, I only know it from the descriptions of the other men whom I wanted to hold responsible for the thing at the time and who gave me witnesses who were to confirm the correctness of his account. According to this account the case was as follows: The Dutchman had no accommodations, no quarters this parti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,161,000 | 1,161,500 |
bleeding. QDid you see this man any more after you concluded your investigation? AThis man until the 20th of April 1945 was together with the other Dutch workers who moved to Steinhoehring with us from Muncih when the Lebensborn was moved out of Munich. QWas that after this incident? AYes, your Honor it was. THE PRESID... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,161,450 | 1,161,950 |
become a member of the NSDAP and not the Communist Party? AFor me the fact was decisive that after a victory of the Communists certainly Communism would have flooded not only Germany but Europe and we would have created a platform for the spreading of Soviet ideology. As far as the second reason is concerned the Party ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,161,900 | 1,162,400 |
War and had sufficient experience for this job. QNow how did you come into contact with the Lebensborn? AIn 1936 the Lebensborn established its first Mothers' home in Steinhoehring, that is a village about fifteen kilometers away from my home village. At that time I was very well known in this district as a gynecologis... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,162,350 | 1,162,850 |
claim of the Lebensborn to take up the case of unmarried mothers? ANot as physician. I had the opportunity more than once to experience and see with my own eyes what a horrible unhappiness can be brought to many people by too narrow bourgeois opinions. I was at the sick bed and at the deathbed of many young woman who b... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,162,800 | 1,163,300 |
also the prisoners, which were discussed here by Herr Sollmann, QDid you ever operate on one of the prisoners in the maternity home? AYes. I would like to say though that I never got to see any of the prisoners because of the effects of mistreatment. It would have been obvious that if someone had been mistreated that h... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,163,250 | 1,163,750 |
for the period of time while you had the leadership of Main Department A? ANo, that is not true. Main Department A was, of course, an administrative department. QThen why were you, since you were a physician, appointed this post? AIn May '42 this post was vacant and somebody had to be appointed to take it up. Since, be... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,163,700 | 1,164,200 |
on the street. We helped them all. If we were unable to take them in to other maternity homes with which we had established contact we transferred them to other charitable organizations. QIn the by-laws of Lebensborn mention is made of the condition of racial suitability of mothers to be taken into the homes. What abou... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,164,150 | 1,164,650 |
by Himmler. Q.When you were temporarily head of Main Department A, were you also busy in the course of your work with finding foster homes for the ethnic German orphans from the Warthegau? A.No, as far as organization went the special department of the Main Department A subordinated under Main Department A, but in prac... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,164,600 | 1,165,100 |
other children besides those from the Polish Warthegau, that is children that were born in the Yugoslav border countries, and also in the protectorate, Bohemia-Moravia, had been transferred into the care of the Lebensborn? A.I have tried to examine my memory very thoroughly with respect to this point. However, I cannot... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,165,050 | 1,165,550 |
only at the point when the children fell ill. But I would like to emphasize that I was only consulted about those children who were in the Lebensborn homes. As for Puschkau, Kalisch and the home schools, we had nothing to do at all with these various schools, and I was not responsible for these other homes. Of course, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,165,500 | 1,166,000 |
Pozin, the children were too small to voice such complaints. In Oberweiss, I talked to all of the chilren there, but not one of them told me anything of that sort. The children were so merry and so openhearted that I could not have gotten the impression that they were burdened with a heavy sorrow. Besides, I have to re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,165,950 | 1,166,450 |
foster homes, were you consulted to give a medical opinion on all these children? AI believe that the case Klasinska was the only one; however, it is possible that there had been several more which I can at the moment not remember. QWhy then did the Lebensborn not want to take in sick children? AWell, there were two re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,166,400 | 1,166,900 |
parents or couples who wanted to have a foster child or who wanted to COURT I CASE VIII adopt a child were given all possible guarantees that they received a physically and psychologically healthy child, because the reputation of the Lebensborn was based upon that factor in particular that it was able to furnish a home... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,166,850 | 1,167,350 |
you do that if altogether there were only seven cases? A.Because within the time of five weeks, I had to submit three such cases to Professor Becker, and with the small number of all the cases involved this was quite a number actually within this short time limit. Q.You stated that this happened within five weeks; does... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,167,300 | 1,167,800 |
us privately could-be confirmed to us again as a result of our examinations. Only in one case it was originally doubtful whether the child had been born on the 21st of April, 1941 or on the 21st of April, 1942, and here our scientific examination proved quite clearly that the year 1941 was the correct year when the chi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,167,750 | 1,168,250 |
go to Germany. Q.However, in this case apparently you carriedout a racial examination. A.I did not carry out an examination in this particular sense of the word at all, neither a medical nor a racial examination. I looked at the individual children and I gained the over-all impression, and in my report I also mentioned... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,168,200 | 1,168,700 |
as being mentally deficient. About the imbecile attitude and behavior of this poor boy, human being, several stories were going around. I heard one of these stories later on. The boy had a beautiful room and he had a very nice bed, and in spite of that, the camp administration found out one day that he liked to stay in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,168,650 | 1,169,150 |
who was to become naturalized or not. QYou had nothing to do with it anyway, did you? ANo, I had nothing to do with it. QWhen you inspected these Roumanian German children at Langenzell, was this the only case where you looked at or examined children--that is, children who were under the care of Lebensborn? AYes, that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,169,100 | 1,169,600 |
administration of real estate or mobile furniture? ANo, I had nothing whatsoever to do with that. However, at one time I did interfere in a case of that sort. The case was as follows: The business manager at the time, Pflaum, went to Bromberg in order to establish an agency there for care to be given to dependents of t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,169,550 | 1,170,050 |
the Higher SS and Police Leader send you this letter at the time, as mentioned in Prosecution Document 32-1, Exhibit 581, in Document Book 13-B? Why did he send it just to you? ABecause he knew me personally, as a result of my visit to Nordach. He did not know Herr Sollmann, and he did not know the competent person in ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,170,000 | 1,170,500 |
from this brief letter, that this was a personal notification which I received from Frau Merkel, wherein she told me something privately about her work. Q.Then, the procurement of instruments from Jewish hands is mentioned once more in a Prosecution Document. This is Prosecution DocumentNO-3753, Exhibit 584, in documen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,170,450 | 1,170,950 |
organization of any sort or just an ordinary organization? A.No, this student group existed since the year 1870. Q.Why did your acquaintance with Himmler last, which you made on that occasion? A.During my first conversation with Himmler it became evident that he lived in Trudering, which was in the neighborhood where I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,170,900 | 1,171,400 |
ever carry on a political discussion with Himmler? A.During the early part of our acquaintance I was interested in finding out something about politics from Himmler. However, at the time, I regretted that he always avoided political discussions. Later on he became a big shot, with whom I could not have any personal rel... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,171,350 | 1,171,850 |
were the first crimes which caused disgust and excitement in the world. Did you hear at the time of these crimes? AOn the evening in question I was at my home. On the following morning my patients told me of the incidents that had occurred in Munich. I was shocked and disgusted about the fact that such incidents could ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,171,800 | 1,172,300 |
I just please ask the witness one question. EXAMINATION BY DR. HESSE: QWitness, prosecution submitted an affidavit by a certain Reinhold Grabow. This is prosecution's Exhibit 411. In this affidavit mention is made of a children's home of the Vomi in Ottwock. As I can see from Prosecution's Exhibit 486 contained in Volu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,172,250 | 1,172,750 |
these relations endured until approximately the year 1934. At that time he moved to Berlin, and I lost contact with him. QNow I would like to get to your activities in connection with the Lebensborn. You have been with Lebensborn or were with Lebensborn from its inception until the present occupation, were you not? AI ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,172,700 | 1,173,200 |
was entirely up to me, the field of reception of mothers. Frau Viermetz did not collaborate with me in this field and was not active. QNow I would like to hand you Document Book VIII-C, the pages marked, and I have marked them with numbers which I will refer to because of the shortage of time. This is Prosecution's Exh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,173,150 | 1,173,650 |
the course of such descriptions, and, of course, I acted accordingly. QThe racial characteristics were important to Himmler, is that what you mean? ANo, no, I don't want to say that, but I wanted to state that Court No, I, Case No. VIII. Himmler found important the outer characteristics of these children. QThen I would... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,173,600 | 1,174,100 |
would you turn again to the section marked No. 6, and I believe there it says in describing this child, you give the color of his eyes and his hair, and then you say, "His racial characteristics are similar to those of his brother, Nordic with dinaric features." Now would you explain again pathologically what that mean... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,174,050 | 1,174,550 |
Now, could you tell me, very shortly explain what you spoke there to this racial group? AWell, I said that already yesterday I gave lectures concerning the policy of population, about the questions of inheritance, about the fight with venereal diseases, and about public health. These were the topics that I lectured on.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,174,500 | 1,175,000 |
have no further questions of this defendant. 27 Jan 1948_M_MSD_9_2_Gaylord (Reischer) The only thing I would like to do at this time is to introduce into evidence a letter which the defendant Ebner has just been making reference to. This is found in Document Book XIII-B, and has been listed in all of the document books... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,174,950 | 1,175,450 |
to give myself a complete picture. QNow let us talk about the cars sticking away from the head. Is that always a sign of moronism? ANo, certainly not because then most people would have to be idiots. QBut in the case of a moron, if he has ears sticking away from his head, is that among other things a characteristic of ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,175,400 | 1,175,900 |
at this time, THE PRESIDENT:Let the witness come to the stand. GUENTHERTESCH, a witness, took the stand and testified as follows: THE PRESIDENT:The witness will raise his right hand and repeat after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. 27 J... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,175,850 | 1,176,350 |
Altogether, what was your position with the SA? AI was a nominal member of the Party from May 1937 on. I was with the SA since July 1933, and until the beginning of the war I was promoted from a private into SA to a NCO's ranking. I did not perform any sort of special activities. QYou said that you were transferred to ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,176,300 | 1,176,800 |
only like to comment briefly to the effect that my employment was only in the capacity of a lawyer that I had no training in these particular matters that is to say, I was sitting at the very same desk at that time. QWhen you were then appointed technician in the race and settlement affairs, this was probably only an a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,176,750 | 1,177,250 |
ANo. QDo you know anything about the crimes that were the subject of the IMT trial and which led to the conviction of the SS as having 27 Jan 1948_M_MSD_10_4_Gaylord (Reischer) been a criminal organization? Did you know anything about these crimes before the surrender? ANo, not even by hearsay did I hear anything about... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,177,200 | 1,177,700 |
for salaries laid down for the SS. ANo, I was paid job by job as the months went on. QThe Prosecution in Exhibit No. 16 has submitted an affidavit by you. In this affidavit you describe your position in the Lebensborn. Can you now please describe in brief just whay your activities as legal expert were at the Lebensborn... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,177,650 | 1,178,150 |
if they did not state that with clarity to the authorities. In my document book I submitted a document concerning this fact and from which can be seen that a decree or an order by the Ministry of the Interior was necessary in order to prevent these horrible abuses. In reality such a decree, of course, cannot be effecti... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,178,100 | 1,178,600 |
QAt the beginning of your examination you stated that first of all you dealt with legal taxation questions, first of all in the Lebensborn. Did you also have to deal with the problems which you have just described? AYes, slowly and very gradually I was included in all these things, in the taking care of individual case... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,178,550 | 1,179,050 |
away for adoptions and all the finding of jobs for these women by the Lebensborn had the purpose of keeping mother and child together so that the mother would bring up her own child. The Lebensborn did not want to carry on a recruitment for these illegitimate children but first of all we wanted to have them brought up ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,179,000 | 1,179,500 |
these persons had been registered in the society register as a representative of the board of directors. QOne of the fields of work of the Main Legal Department was the Registrar's Office, which was located in the central office of the Lebensborn. A Registrar's Office is a government agency isn't it? To whom was the Re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,179,450 | 1,179,950 |
come to the Lebensborn was not up to him nor up to me. QDid the Lebensborn try to obtain these children? AOne can say that the Lebensborn tried, but it did not try to obtain them, but once the children had been put under the care of the Lebensborn, then it tried to look after them. Q what you mean to say is that the Le... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,179,900 | 1,180,400 |
in the decree, the children were not to be turned over to families of the SS officers either. QIn this respect, after February, 1942, that is to say after the decree was issued, did you negotiate in any way with the Main Staff Office? ANo. QThe Prosecution has submitted as Exhibit No. 69 a file note of Herr Sollmann, i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,180,350 | 1,180,850 |
been at Lodz, and I only know Dongus by name, QWho Germanized the names of these children; and how was this done? AThere was no official procedure for that; from the situation arising out of the lack of material and documents, it becomes evident that we did not have any official material at our disposal and, therefore,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,180,800 | 1,181,300 |
children. Q.Can you give us some concrete examples about that? A.For the necessity of using this certificate? Q.Yes. A.Actually we in the Lebensborn could issue certificates for those children only who had been born in the Lebensborn; for example, we could issue certificates with regards to the children's allowances, f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,181,250 | 1,181,750 |
Reich Ministry of Labor with regard to finding jobs, from the Ministry of the Interior with regard to the activities of the Youth Office, and similar authorizations which enabled the Lebensborn to take care of matters in a certain field of work which had been granted to it by the competent authorities in order to simpl... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,181,700 | 1,182,200 |
were to be considered as being stateless because they had an unclarified status; whether this actually was done, I can't say; however, I consider it to be possible. I consider it possible that somebody who was in charge of such a police registration agency certainly would have complied with the request of the foster pa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,182,150 | 1,182,650 |
had died. Then, if an adoption proceeding could have been carried out, the children would have received the names of their foster parents anyhow. And, of course, the fact as to whether the parents wanted to adopt the child did play a part whenever the name was given. QCan one say now that the temporary fixing of the pe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,182,600 | 1,183,100 |
have also been used in the heading like the subsequent recordings of births, which are contrary to the contents. Also, it is stated in the heading, "Change of Christian and Family Name", but from the contents it becomes evident that this was not a change, but just a temporary definition. QIf I have understood you corre... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,183,050 | 1,183,550 |
child in any way? AI believe that I have explained that we pursued a completely different purpose. We cannot speak about any camouflaging of a personal status, because then we could have applied a different method in order to do that. From the file note it becomes quite clear that an emergency situation had arisen as a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,183,500 | 1,184,000 |
of the Lebensborn in any way. I was interned after the surrender. However, I reported immediately and I made a written request, wherein I pointed out that in the interest of the many mothers, widows, and orphans whom the Lebensborn had taken care of, we should be permitted to complete the work of the Lebensborn in orde... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,183,950 | 1,184,450 |
this child, who lived in Hamburg, had received a notification from the Lebensborn that the assurances which had been given to them at the home that they would soon be able to adopt the child could probably not be adhered to, in any case, they decided it could not be fulfilled during the war. Then the foster parents the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,184,400 | 1,184,900 |
Lebensborn. Approximately 30 or 40 additional children, at the time of the surrender, were still located in the homes of the Lebensborn. The total number of children who came from the Warthegau during the entire war amounted to approximately 250 to 300 altogether. QHow can you explain the balance of the figure concerni... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,184,850 | 1,185,350 |
as far as the Lebensborn was concerned with this child so it cannot be assumed that the Lebensborn knew in this case that this child still had her parents in the Warthegau. Furthermore, the inquiries which the defense made in this case led to the result that at the time the foster parents themselves or a friend of the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,185,300 | 1,185,800 |
result also that these children were to be returned to their relatives because we had the possibility to do so. QCan you tell us something about the children which the Prosecution has described as Yugoslav children? AYes, I believe Herr Sollmann has already explained yesterday that twenty such children came to the Lebe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,185,750 | 1,186,250 |
AI know that the Lebensborn in the cases of some children which were in the children's home of the Gau Self Administration, and who originated from the Protectorate, aided these children with regard to clothing and with regard to finding foster homes for them. QIn this connection can you still remember a special case? ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,186,200 | 1,186,700 |
the Lebensborn, why was this transferred to the Main Department Law? AThis was a question not relating to the Lebensborn. To this already belonged the matters of the Main Department War Orphans and other things. Herr Sollmann in 1943 made more precise the trend to eliminate all the things from the Lebensborn which did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,186,650 | 1,187,150 |
the usual introduction words, I did not speak with him any further. I did not know defendants Meyer Hetling, Herr Schwarzenberger, Herr Huebner, Herr Lorenz and Herr Brueckner. I once saw Herr Hofmann when I visited him together with Herr Sollmann, but in that case questions were discussed, which were in no way connect... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,187,100 | 1,187,600 |
turned to the Lebensborn in order to cause the child to be taken away from the father. The father as such was entitled to refuse to do that, since the formalities had been concluded in an orderly manner. However, in spite of this, this case was reported to Himmler, and Himmler decided that the Lebensborn had to make ev... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,187,550 | 1,188,050 |
Office, whether I could get their regulations from them, and there I was told that they were issued, that they had to be requested via the personal staff at the OKW. QProsecution has submitted documents, DocumentNO-2916, Exhibit 452. This is a letter you wrote to the Hauptsturmfuehrer Meiner, attached to the personal s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,188,000 | 1,188,500 |
be transferred to Germany. In most cases, they were to be taken care of in the family of their fathers, and the formalities were concluded in every respect; that is to say, the mothers had made a declaration of approval in the form which was required in Norway, and the competent Norwegian authority also approved the in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,188,450 | 1,188,950 |
questions, Your Honor. Thank you. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the cross examination. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. NEELY: QHerr Tesch, I would like to ask you concerning the affidavit which you have given: would you say that this affidavit was prepared by yourself in your own handwriting? AIn part. QEverything in it was form... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,188,900 | 1,189,400 |
to Lebensborn? ADr. Schulz, besides being the head of this registrar's office, which of course did not take up much of his time, was also a consultant for all the registrar offices in all the homes; and besides that, he was in charge of several legal matters at the same time. As all legal experts, he worked independent... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,189,350 | 1,189,850 |
AI am sorry, I did not understand the question quite correctly. QDo you remember ever sending Dr. Staudte, who I believe was one of your assistants, to the Main Staff Office for any reason at all in connection with your work in Lebensborn? ANo, I don't remember that I sent him there, but I remember that he was once in ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,189,800 | 1,190,300 |
of Himmler. QDo you remember from whom these children were taken or received? What agency had them before Lebensborn? AI believe that I already said, that as far as I remember these children were taken over from a VOMI home and were transferred to a home of the Lebensborn. QDid you at any time, while you worked with Le... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,190,250 | 1,190,750 |
aware that there were some children who had been brought in from Czechoslovakia? AI said already that as far as I remember, Lebensborn aided the gau self-administration with respect to clothing the children from the protectorate and with regard to placing such children into foster homes. QDo you know whether any birth ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,190,700 | 1,191,200 |
between the concept of police and SS, I would say no. But, if I am not permitted to differentiate between these two concepts, I would say yes. QYour Honor, we have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any further questions? I believe it is so near the adjourning time that it would hardly be worthwhile to start on anothe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,191,150 | 1,191,650 |
stand and testified as follows: THE PRESIDENT:The witness will raise her right hand and repeat after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath) Proceed with the examination. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. ORTH: QWitness... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,191,600 | 1,192,100 |
mothers and discuss their plans for the future. The extent of this of this special field of work can be explained best by saying that four or five letters would be received by us per day, upon which action had to be taken. QIn your activity as an independent Referent, as you call yourself in your affidavits were you en... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,192,050 | 1,192,550 |
to give those mothers the possibility of living together with their children and bringing them up themselves. With the finding of foster homes, this was a temporary accommodation for these children, and this work was a bit more extensive. However, I cannot give any exact figures. QWhat were your tasks, principally, fro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,192,500 | 1,193,000 |
with those tasks, were you told that this work was only supposed to be on a temporary basis? ANo, not at the beginning, and it was only told to me in the case of Main Department A. In this case it was probably already established that I could not take over the job of head of such a big department permanently, because I... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,192,950 | 1,193,450 |
case. However, in normal cases, I could make my own decisions without consulting Herr Sollmann. QHow did you have to handle those matters that would go beyond the framework as we have just discussed it? AThese matters had to be reported to the Chief for his decision, and they were signed by him. QThen what were your ta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,193,400 | 1,193,900 |
Herr Sollmann -- that is to say, to take care of his current work and also to handle the work of the Main Department "A". The actual and informal leadership of the Main Department of the Lebensborn of course would have to be taken over sooner or later by a man. QAfter you left the Main Department "A", did you still hav... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,193,850 | 1,194,350 |
However, he permitted me to do my work in such a way that I would not have to be present at the office permanently but that he would call on me from time to time whenever there was a special job for me to be done. QAs prosecution describes it, your trips were mostly abroad or they led you into territories which had bee... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,194,300 | 1,194,800 |
only make reports to my chief and could wait for his decision. QUntil the end of the Lebensborn, did you work independently with all the matters concerned in your official duty trips and especially I am thinking about this matter of the Warthegau? ANo, in the handling of this matter, the competent department was always... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,194,750 | 1,195,250 |
the establishment of children's homes and confinement homes, the Lebensborn should also get various places for children coming from air raid areas. QAnd then how long did you carry out these activities? AI finished my work with the Lebensborn at the beginning of August, 1943. QBut as can be seen from your report on a j... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,195,200 | 1,195,700 |
ever think that there might have been a plan for the abduction of children? ANo. QDid you know about the fundamental decrees and regulation on the part of Himmler, Hitler or through the various Reich agencies and other authorities which the prosecution has submitted here to base his charge upon? Did you ever receive kn... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,195,650 | 1,196,150 |
the replacement of these children? AIn individual cases, I know of a collaboration between the Reich Commissar for the strengthening of Germanism and Vomi; whether the Lebensborn and the RuSHA collaborated in this matter of the children, I really don't know any more. QLet us now turn to the question of collaboration wi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,196,100 | 1,196,600 |
Herr Dongus there once or twice, but I knew of Herr Dongus so well because he spoke in such a sympathetic and cordial way of these ethnic German children and was interested again and again in their further well-being. That was probably the reason that Herr Scharnweber invited him to come along to a visit of the school ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,196,550 | 1,197,050 |
Rumania, is that correct? AYes, I once went to Rumania in 1942 to the women of the ethnic German group. When I came to Rumania, I was told that I was not supposed to have taken this trip without the approval of Obergruppenfuehrer Lorenz, and so in order to avoid having any troubles about it I should procure this approv... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,197,000 | 1,197,500 |
to your position and on the strength of your activities in the Lebensborn were you even able to have on insight into the extent and the aims of a possible collaboration between the Lebensborn and the Main offices? A.No, I couldn't have that insight. If such a collaboration could be mentioned at all, then according to m... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,197,450 | 1,197,950 |
the taking over of ethnic German children, would be checked correctly in the Lebensborn? A.Of course, after all we had 7 or 8 Jurists and that was a matter of course that these questions would be checked. Q.Were you ever a member of the Vorstand of the Lebensborn? A.No. Q.During your activity in the Lebensborn did you ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 1,197,900 | 1,198,400 |
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