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do that because he had a sort of protection letter from the Reich Government, and this letter was signed by Reich Minister Lammers. In the year 1942, when measures against the Jews became more severe, Hess also was to be included in these measures. I cannot give you all the details here but I saw to it towards Himmler ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 433,350 | 433,850 |
the courtroom. THE PRESIDENT:Military Tribunal I will come to order. Mr. Marshal, have you ascertained that all defendants are present in court? THE MARSHAL:May it please Your Honors, all the defendants are present in the courtroom, THE PRESIDENT:The record will so indicate. Proceed with the examination of the witness.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 433,800 | 434,300 |
SS and Police Leader who was competent for the district of Lublin, whose name was Globocnik. QWas Globocnik subordinated to you? ANo. QTo whom was he subordinated? AHe was subordinated to the representative of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism in the Government General. That was the State Secretary... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 434,250 | 434,750 |
particular, Poles were deported from the Warthe District and taken to the Government General. Now, just what was the status of the ethnic Germans in the district of Lublin? AThat exactly proves the fact that I disapproved of these actions, because our ideas of the ethnic separation of the national minority which was th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 434,700 | 435,200 |
down to the facts in this case. We are not trying anybody except these defendants. DR. HAENSEL:I asked him just how he objected, and in my opinion that is a fact. THE PRESIDENT:Well, I don't think so, I heard what you asked him, and I heard the answer, and I don't think it illustrates anything that is before us. Go ahe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 435,150 | 435,650 |
people in the district of Lublin. I was only connected with the procurement of resettlers who may have been requested. Of course, we had prepared for the procurement of these resettlers in vain. QBut by "procurement" you mean they were to be procured for resettlement? AYes, they were to be procured for resettlement pur... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 435,600 | 436,100 |
the legal aspects, and compiled it according to the style used by my agency. QPlease give us a few expressions used in this decree; that is, expressions which did not originate in your agency, but which were used. Give us some words from the terminology of another department. AThe concept "Land Formulation Plans" did n... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 436,050 | 436,550 |
do that. After all, the directive stated that this document was not to become the subject of any discussions. Q.- However, later on did a discussion at Himmler's office take place on the same subject? A.- Yes, this was in the summer of the year 1942. At that time a discussion took place at Himmler's Office. Q.- Was tha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 436,500 | 437,000 |
My planning office was able to rescind this projected measure by turning to Himmler on the subject. Q.- And I understood you to say that no action was taken? A.- Yes, that is correct. Q.- In Exhibit 208, Document Book V-A, on page 72, and paragraph 12, Himmler ordered that the resettlers should be refurnished with hous... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 436,950 | 437,450 |
in April. It's Exhibit 236. Does this mean that this is the written form of oral instructions which were already issued in April? Who carried out this examination? A.- The Security Police took care of the examination with the collaboration of the ethnic German experts from the Baltic ethnic groups. Q.- Therefore your a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 437,400 | 437,900 |
whole matter did not have any results whatsoever. It was completely forgotten. QIn Document V-B, on page 49, you will find Exhibit 255. This is a report of 40 pages, It is on page 49 of Document Book V-B, Will you please tell us just how this report came about? ABy orders of Himmler, after the occupation of the Crimea,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 437,850 | 438,350 |
did you hear for the first time of these deportations? AAs far as I can recall, this must have been in the middle of the year 1942. Here I received knowledge of them as a result of a letter of the local Higher SS and Police Leader. QYou were referring to a letter just now. Are you referring to the letter which is conta... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 438,300 | 438,800 |
get along better and you would thus help the Court. BY DR. HAENSEL: QAccording to your knowledge, what was done with the property of the people concerned? AAs far as I know, the CDZ charged the DUT with appointing custodians for these properties. Q.Did this mean any expropriation? A.No. It just meant that custodians fo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 438,750 | 439,250 |
which the charge is contained that this man had done something, then it is impossible for me to clarify this matter unless I ask him whether he did it. THE PRESIDENT:You did ask him whether he did it and he said he did not do it and then went on to talk about it being a Utopian dream of somebody else. When he says he d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 439,200 | 439,700 |
such requests? Q.Just what did you do upon these requests? A.We passed on these requests for a decision. Q.You have not told us yet just what "S" decisions were with the EWZ and what they meant. Can you tell us that? A.The letter "S" stands for Sonderfall which means special cases. These people were refugees. They were... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 439,650 | 440,150 |
agency? ANo, this note file did not originate in my agency. QAnd if you turn this page you will come to page 105, Exhibit 692. Do you know of this incident? How do you explain it if you don't know it? AThe date shows that I could not have any knowledge of this incident. I was not working at that time. QExhibit 272 in v... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 440,100 | 440,600 |
do with these resettlement measures? ANo, I had nothing to do with them. QBut in the letter of the Chief of the Civilian Administration of 6 July 1943 we find something about the resettlement measures to be carried out by the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Ger manism. Isn't it your agency which is mentioned t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 440,550 | 441,050 |
AThe resettlement of ethnic Germans from Lithuania was based on a State Treaty or an International agreement. QThen we don't have to concern ourselves with these exhibits and documents as far as this treaty is concerned but we have not exhausted the subject. Part of the Germans from Lithuania returned to Lithuania. Who... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 441,000 | 441,500 |
in carrying out these measures since Rentelen had been appointed as Plenipotentiary by Himmler for the return of the Germans in Lithuania. QThe measures mentioned in the letter to Gewecke, did they follow the directives worked out by your agency? ANo, these are quire wild and irresponsible measures. QIn connection with... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 441,450 | 441,950 |
days of February, 1940, and it deals with matters happening in 1939 in the Government General, matters with which my agency couldn't have had any connection at all. Q.In connection with the points with which you are charged, Exhibit 213, on page 79, of Volume V-A, was submitted. Do you know this document? A.No, this is... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 441,900 | 442,400 |
the work of the Reich Commissar? Perhaps we will recall Document XIV-A. A.Yes, this document is evidence for this question. Q.Two last questions regarding Saibusch. You told us just now - MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, I didn't understand the last question and the last answer. The document shows the opposite. Perhaps there is... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 442,350 | 442,850 |
Tribunal will permit you to do that, but we will expect you to live up to your answer to the question. BY DR. HAENSEL: QRegarding this document which I put to you, 239, Volume V-B, is that a directive emanating from you; or what have you got to say regarding this document in your opinion. AThis is not a directive emana... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 442,800 | 443,300 |
of property of people hostile to the State? ANoo that was a matter for the Ministry of Justice. QBut Exhibit 240, Volume V-B, page 116, says something about putting at somebody's disposal the landed property of people hostile to the State for the purpose of settling resettlers. This seems to prove that resettlers were ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 443,250 | 443,750 |
AThere was a single conference of the heads of the agencies just mentioned. QDid you frequently talk to Heydrich, the head of the Reich Security Main Office, apart from the conference just mentioned? AThe 30th of January, 1940. Otherwise, I never talked to him. QAnd with his successor, Kaltenbrunner? AOfficially, as fa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 443,700 | 444,200 |
supposed to count up to 500 and should only be able to write his name, shows how perverse and how crazy these ideas were, because if he can count to 500, he can count just as well up to 1,000,000. QDid Himmler receive this note back? AI received the order, as far as I remember, in the beginning of July to return this d... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 444,150 | 444,650 |
Resumed. DIRECT EXAMINATION (Continued) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed with the examination. QHow were the collaborators in the planning office. AThe collaborators consisted of district planners, people who were to take care of statistics, architects and legal experts. For honorary ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 444,600 | 445,100 |
document only came to my knowledge here in the course of the past year. QWas your capacity as a general in the police, decisive for your authority? ANo. As far as my identity papers were concerned, I travelled around with a ministerial pass, and this was an identification paper which showed that I was a high Government... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 445,050 | 445,550 |
courts martial. QDid Himmler concern himself with details in the execution of his orders? AAs far as he was ablt to do so, without any doubt he did that. Above all, he did this during the initial period of time when he was given his new task. However, as time went on, he had so many tasks to deal with and he had receiv... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 445,500 | 446,000 |
aspects from these practical matters. I was able, as far as possible to avoid them. Q.Did Himmler's orders always adhere to the law and to the legal code? A.This is where we had our greatest difficulties in working with Himmler. After all, Himmler was a man who did not adhere to the provisions of the law, and he though... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 445,950 | 446,450 |
after ideological phantoms. Q.Did he want to dissolve your agency? A.In 1944 this lack of interest finally drove him to decide to dissolve my agency. He was not able to do that by himself, but he was putting it forward for consideration. Actually, it was in the very character of this man who was really influenced by a ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 446,400 | 446,900 |
closest collaboratorsthat after the end of the war I would immediately leave the public service. After all, during the war we had to use our abilities on behalf of the German people. I believed that I would serve my country in the best possible manner if I were to work in the special field of resettlement to the best o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 446,850 | 447,350 |
the competency of the VOMI, which was represented by my client. THE PRESIDENT:You may ask him anything about the competency of VOMI that has not already been proved. There is no use to prove it again if he has already testified about it. You asked him the general question about the competency of VOMI. That is not permi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 447,300 | 447,800 |
leaders subordinated to the VOMI, and were they subordinated to the representatives of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism, or were they independent? A. As is illustrated by my skethc, the VOMI had its own channels. THE PRESIDENT: Now, Mr. Witness, you have been over that one time already; don't go o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 447,750 | 448,250 |
what the organization of the Main Staff Office looked like in the summer of 1940? A.Yes, I can give you a general outline. Q.I am going to put Creutz Document No. 1, for identification, to you. This is an organizational chart from August-1940. Please tell me, quite briefly, whether this chart is correct. ( Document sub... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 448,200 | 448,700 |
which was done by the legal department under Wirsich? AWhat I have just said before applied from 1942 on. QEven after the stablishment of the office groups, did you receive the office chiefs of I and II without the presence of the defendant Creutz? AYes. QAnd did the same thing apply to the Chief of the Legal Departmen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 448,650 | 449,150 |
the agency of the Reich Commisar? AThat was also in November 1939. QDid you know that Professor Meyer was a regular professor at a school Of higher learning and that consequently he was also a public servant? AYes, I knew that. QEven after his entry into your agency, did he continue to exercise his teaching profession?... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 449,100 | 449,600 |
it was just as little its task as it was that of the Main Staff Office. QDid the planning office have to deal with questions of racial selection or the policy which was to be applied to foreign and alien nations? ANo. QIs it correct that the tasks of the planning office were placed in the background as compared to the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 449,550 | 450,050 |
BY DR. BEHLIN: Q.Can you recall that in January 1943 a general stop decree was issued by Himmler for work which was not vital for the war effort and that after that the work of a planning office was also limited to a greater extent and in part it was completely discontinued? A.Yes, that is correct. Q.Is it correct that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 450,000 | 450,500 |
work which was done by Office I. A.The first question was when the planning work was actually begun--whether that was done before or after the arrival of the first resettlers. I replied to that question that only months after the arrival of the first resettlers the first planning work could be began. The second questio... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 450,450 | 450,950 |
A.No. Q.To whom did you, in the summer of 1944, turn over the supervision of the Central land Office? A.Mundt became the chief of the Central Land Office. He was appointed to that position; however, since he became severely ill, Professor Meyer was charged by me to take over the Central Land Office on a temporary basis... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 450,900 | 451,400 |
there were three different agencies: the main office was located on the Kurfuerstendamm in Berlin, the Central Land Office was in the center of Berlin, and the Planning Office was at Berlin-Dahlem a suburb of Berlin? A.Yes, that is correct. Q.When the Polish property decree was issued were the seizure measures which ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 451,350 | 451,850 |
what might have been done some time or some place. We are interested in what was actually done in this case; nothing else. BY DR. BEHLING: Q.Did you give any authorizations to the chiefs of the office groups and, if so, what authorizations did you give to them? TEE PRESIDENT:Well, you have already asked him what author... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 451,800 | 452,300 |
of the offices of the Plenipotentiary of the Reich Commissar as far as they received budget funds from the Reich Commissar. Q.During your direct examination you stated that it was the task of the Main Staff Office to settle the resettlers, to care for them, and to create new areas of settlement for them. For the direct... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 452,250 | 452,750 |
and the Reich Chamber of Finance and of the EWZ and UWZ. Is that correct? A.While studying the documents I have been struck by this term as being impossible and not suitable. This term Finance Plenipotentiary was a completely new concept for me. I had never heard it until that date. Q.Can you give us more detailed reas... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 452,700 | 453,200 |
stand admitted and if attacked by the Prosecution they stand admitted and if attacked ultimately by the Prosecution there is then the right of redirect examination. I mention that as a helpful procedure which I think is going to be just and beneficial to the dfense as it is going to be beneficial to the Tribunal in hav... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 453,150 | 453,650 |
which I want to put to the defendant Greifelt as my witness and we are only doing this because this was the general rule so far but I agree with your Honor that it is better and makes the case more intelligible to the Court if there is a certain sequence of the discussion on cases. This is merely for the court to decid... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 453,600 | 454,100 |
co-defendant Greifelt testifying after Schwarzenberger and the other defendants have testified is because he is present in the court room and he would hear their testimony and for that reason if he does testify later we would ask that he be required to testify before any of the other witnesses. We would ask that the co... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 454,050 | 454,550 |
AI drafted this chart and its correctness was confirmed to me by my co-defendants. QThis answer does not answer my question. My question was quite explicitly whether you had drafted this chart without practical and definite Court No. I, Case No. VIII. experiences; yes, or no. AThis question then will receive the same a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 454,500 | 455,000 |
both sides -- of course, not at the same time. For twelve years following that I presided over a trial court. For the last four years I have presided over a Supreme Court or Court of Last Review for the purpose of reviewing trial courts. I think during that experience and as a result of that experience I have learned o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 454,950 | 455,450 |
came though very clearly; I did not get exactly what you said. DR. HAENSEL:I personally have no misgivings that the examination in the German language would be detrimental because in various courts in this building we have had this practice. I see the advantage in the fact that various professional expressions and term... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 455,400 | 455,900 |
I can't impeach a witness unless I tell him what he said and I show what the effect is. THE PRESIDENT:What he said is in the record. You get the answers and the effect will take care of itself. MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, may I ask this question. Here is an essential question; my purpose is to impeach the witness; I cannot... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 455,850 | 456,350 |
what he has testified to, ask him about that fact and not what the set-up was. MR. SCHWENK:Your Honor, I am unable to follow this suggestion. My question was whether the witness, the planning office had anything to do with foreign folkdom. This, I believe, is a pertinent question in this Court No. I, Case No. VIII. cro... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 456,300 | 456,800 |
interrupted me with the objection that I could not ask about the motive of Himmler or of other people. I ask the Court to remember its previous decisions and to decide in the same way now. THE PRESIDENT:Yes, I think anybody else's opinion about what Himmler's motives were would be just as good as this witness'. Motives... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 456,750 | 457,250 |
liaison man, is no abnormal measure within German official operations. QWitness, would you kindly answer this question with yes or no? AAfter the Reich Security Main Office nominated a liaison man to me, I also nominated such a liaison man. QDid you, by this measure, aim at an especially close Court No. I, Case No. VII... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 457,200 | 457,700 |
became subjects for welfare, they were to be handed over to the welfare agencies. It dies not say here that the Main Staff Office had transferred individual cases to concentration camps or had imposed prison terms. It merely says that if such persons had become liable to such penalties, that then their dependents were ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 457,650 | 458,150 |
have, we see no reason why the assistants could not act here with the understanding, of course, that their clients will not be put on the stand in their absence. I would like to inquire of you, Dr. Haensel, if you know whether or not the attorneys named all have assistants? DR. HAENSEL:All the named defense counsel hav... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 458,100 | 458,600 |
be submitted to the personal staff of Himmler. What Himmler wrote on this draft, I don't know. Q.I now offer Document No.NO-5591as Exhibit 789 in evidence showing that the defendant-- THE PRESIDENT:Never mind what it shows. We will find out. MR. SCHWENK:We are unable to distribute the English translation at this time, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 458,550 | 459,050 |
time, if you don't mind. MR. SCHWENK:I introduce this document as Document No.NO-5391which becomes Exhibit 791. THE PRESIDENT:Have you any other questions? MR. SCHWENK:Yes. THE PRESIDENT:Go ahead. BY MR. SCHWENK: QWitness, did not your Main Staff Office see to it that persons who--in order to verbally use the language ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 459,000 | 459,500 |
action taken against persons who refused to have their names put on the DVL. This witness has previously testified at great length that the DVL procedure was entirely voluntary. THE PRESIDENT:Well, the Tribunal has been in the courtroom all of the time and knows exactly what has happened up to now, and I think I unders... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 459,450 | 459,950 |
can certainly not give you any details about this today. QWitness, in the secret file of the Main Staff Office did you have documents of the Reich Ministry of the Interior, of the Reich Ministry of Justice, of the Chief of the Security Police and the SD, as well as of your own Main Staff Office regarding abortions in t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 459,900 | 460,400 |
I received it I do not know. It is not signed and it is not addressed to me either. QWere you head of the Main Office of the Main Staff Office? AI was head of the Main Staff Office of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism. QIf it says here to submit to the head of the Main Office via the Main Departmen... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 460,350 | 460,850 |
from their farms, were to be returned. Nothing else can be under discussion here. QWitness, the question is clear. Persons were deported and you notice perfectly well yourself who subsequently entered their name in the German People's List or had to enter their names in the German People's List. Did you agree with the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 460,800 | 461,300 |
in Alsace did the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism order the confiscation and seizure of the property of the people who were deported? AI don't remember the legal procedure in Alsace. As far as I remember, the siezure was carried out by the Chief of the Civil Administration. It may be possible that he... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 461,250 | 461,750 |
that time took place at a meeting of the leaders of the Upper SS sectors and the various experts from Himmler's sphere of influence. All those present had to report briefly on their activities and that is what I did. QAnd what you said was said under the orders were directives of Himmler's? AYes, that is correct; I had... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 461,700 | 462,200 |
not only the Chief of an agency but even every department chief only accepted a note as the person responsible for it had signed it. Since 1943 it was an official regulation that a letter addressed to agencies on the same level had to boar the full name of the expert on the top of each letter. QThe fact that a signatur... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 462,150 | 462,650 |
you see it before in some other document book? A.Yes, it is contained in another document book already, and I think that yesterday in the direct examination I have already testified with regard to that, namely, when the question was raised of whether this involves only the settlement of the compensation for household g... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 462,600 | 463,100 |
under your administration? A.Right after the 30th of January requisition was made at my home; however, as early as the 12th February 1933 I was called to the then State Secretary of the Reich Chancellery, Lammers, and he on behalf of the Reich Chancellor asked me whether I was prepared to inform the government concerni... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 463,050 | 463,550 |
positions in other election circles and other districts. Q.Did you promote Nazi ideologies? A.No, I did not; it wasn't in my line. Q.Have you had special experiences in the administration of state funds? A.Ever since I was seventeen years old and until I was elected municipal counselor, for about twenty years I had bee... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 463,500 | 464,000 |
Guelzen in Lower Saxonia. Q.What was your profession, witness? A.Until my home area was ceded after the first World War, I was mayor of a province, and after that I was an economic trustee of the Reich Government there. Q.In what field were your interests? A.As a mayor I was financial expert and decided financial quest... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 463,950 | 464,450 |
up by a new regulation of the Four-Year-Plan dated 19 October 1939, and 17th of September 1940 it was definitely established by another new directive concerning the administration of Polish property. Q.What was the HTO? A.As the name implies already, it was a trusteeship agency which worked as an agency of the Four-Yea... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 464,400 | 464,900 |
I asked him whether private property was to be subject to indemnification, and he answered that in the positive. In the regulation concerning the establishment of the trusteeship agency of 19 October 1939, as well as in the enlarged regulation concerning the administration of Polish property of 17 September 1930, the i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 464,850 | 465,350 |
taken over for administration was registered in an orderly way and an inventory was made, files were established, at least a file of all the establishments in the enterprise. If the enterprise yielded profits, then the provisional admin istrator had to pay over these profits to the trusteeship agencies and to the local... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 465,300 | 465,800 |
while the property went to the polish state. THE PRESIDENT:Dr. Haensel, may I suggest that your present examination is dealing with elementary legal questions that this court ought to know more about than the witness does. Let's get down to this particular case that we are trying. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Do you know the inco... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 465,750 | 466,250 |
Therefore, you admit the possibility that before this directive of 5 October there were other directives? DR. BEHLING:I have no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Any other questions by the defense? MR. SHILLER:Your Honor, the Prosecution, due to the failure of the defense counsel to comply with Rule 19 of the Uniform Ru... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 466,200 | 466,700 |
Milostowe wasa part of the Prussian state of the German Reich. QAnd what happened to Milostowe in 1918? AIn 1918, Milostowe became Polish property, Polish area. MR. SHILLER:I object to defense counsel's habit of bringing in the changes made by the Versailles Treaty. Those changes have nothing to do with this case. THE ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 466,650 | 467,150 |
if you will get right down to what he knows about the charges contained in this Indictment. DR. HAENSEL:Yes, your Honor, I will try. THE PRESIDENT:Very well. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.What nationality was contained in your Polish military pass? A.In my Polish Military papers I had entered "German" in the column titled "nationa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 467,100 | 467,600 |
my parents and other members of my family, at a later stage, received German nationality on the strength of this DVL. Q.Do you and your family and friends welcome this German People' s List, or did you feel that you were forced to enlist on it? A.We racial Germans knew that even under international law there had to be ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 467,550 | 468,050 |
BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.In your practical work in Danzig, did you hear something about the seizure of cultural items or of church property? A.No, I never heard anything about it. The cultural department in which I worked as an expert dealt with the--how shall I express it? Let me call it "cultural measures". THE PRESIDENT:Wi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 468,000 | 468,500 |
in the Main Office for Ethnic Questions? A.In the Main Office for Ethnic Questions, the following were represented: Representatives of VOMI, a representative of the Main Staff Office, and one from RuSHA. I was the representative of the Main Staff Office. Q.Was there any collaboration between these representatives of th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 468,450 | 468,950 |
four or five weeks I myself traveled to the Main Staff Office, and there I established contact with associates and talked to them, and I received suggestions and pointers which I thought would be valuable for my work. Q.Do you have the impression that you have made especially clear to me, as well as to the Tribunal, ex... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 468,900 | 469,400 |
seems quite understandable to me that these people now, after having been deprived of the conditions which had caused them to lose contace with their country of descent, wished to reverse this step. For this reason they made application to be entered on the list for people eligible for reGermanization. Q.- Did you expe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 469,350 | 469,850 |
anything about office groups within the Main Staff Office; therefore I cannot tell you to which group Office I is supposed to have belonged. Q.- You did not learn of any existence of office groups then or later, if I have understood you correctly? A.- No, I did not hear anything of it. I heard if for the first time in ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 469,800 | 470,300 |
directives of the Main Staff Office; that is, did you receive them signed by the defendant, Professor Meyer? A.- No, I never received such letters. Q.- Do you know the defendant Meyer personally? A.- No, I do not know the defendant Meyer personally. Q.- Thank you. No further questions. DR. FROESCHMANN (for the defendan... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 470,250 | 470,750 |
took into account the independent convictions of the people in this area. Q.- Do you know a statement of Hildebrandt's which he also made in his official capacity, according to which the Poles were to remain Poles and the Germans were again to become Germans? A.- I know this view of Hildebrandt's because he expressed i... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 470,700 | 471,200 |
as my sisters and brothers were members of the German People's List. QDid your family join the German People's List voluntarily, witness? AYes, my family voluntarily applied to be entered into the German People's List. QWitness, do you know what happened to people who refused to register in the German People's List? AN... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 471,150 | 471,650 |
from talks of colleagues who met him in his home in what way he conducted his personal life. QWitness, so far as you know, the defendant Hildebrandt always behaved very well towards Germans and ethnic Germans, is that correct? AYes. QDo you have any direct knowledge as to how he behaved towards Poles, Jews and non-Arya... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 471,600 | 472,100 |
since the partition of Poland, to the Province of Poznan and was district capital - MR. LAMB:May it please the Tribunal, counsel is going into the political background again with this witness and we think it has nothing to do with this case. These defendants are charged with certain crimes and they are going into the p... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 472,050 | 472,550 |
person it is certainly an excuse if I say that he was after my life too. That is true before every court. I cannot understand why we shouldn't be allowed to tell how these things developed. MR. LAMB:May it please the Court, these defendants are not charged with genocide in the indictment. They are charged with certain ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 472,500 | 473,000 |
people against another or for another illustrates absolutely no issue involved in this trial. I see no reason why we cannot, as the Tribunal has pleaded both with the Prosecution and the Defense from the beginning, get this investigation down to the simple criminal acts charged in the indictment. Go ahead. 2 Dec 1947_A... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 472,950 | 473,450 |
least four times since I took part in all sessions of the council of the League of Nations. QIn what capacity did you take part in these sessions? AAs representative of the German minority in Poland. I had repeatedly submitted petitions there and have taken my stand for them before the tripartite committees. THE PRESID... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 473,400 | 473,900 |
settled on right away. QWas this sufficient for the number you mentioned, that is, 600,000? 2 Dec 1947_A_MSD_17_4_Goldberg (Jacobsohn) ANo; that wasn't of course sufficient if more space had not been created. Deportations took place on account of that. QDo you know that the resettlements took place according to the vie... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 473,850 | 474,350 |
it correct that after the 1st of September 1939 wild evacuations of inhabitants of Danzig and West Prussia took place -- THE PRESIDENT:Wait a minute. I remind counsel again, the witness on the stand is a witness subpoenaed on behalf of the defendant Greifelt. The court cannot permit a complete examination of this witne... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 474,300 | 474,800 |
you may do so but we cannot permit going into the organization of these various set-ups by every witness that is subpoenaed by every defendant. Confine your questions strictly to what your client did. DR.THIELE*FREDERSDORF: No further questions. THE PRESIDENT:Anything else for the defendant? All right, go ahead with th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 474,750 | 475,250 |
I wanted to or not. QBut you could have become a German if you had asked to become a German? AI had time to think until 1927 about whether I wanted to become a German or not. QThe Prosecution has no further questions. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will recess for 15 minutes. (A recess was taken.) THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 475,200 | 475,700 |
Silesia. Q.What is your profession; and, will you give us a brief description of your career? A.I went to high school at Breslau, Oberrealschule, and I left school at Easter, 1918; became an apprentice in a bank and towards the middle of 1924 I left that profession. In the meantime I had first of all studied national e... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 475,650 | 476,150 |
some enterprise. That was my main task. Apart from that I dealt with the question as to whether and how far co-operatives could be admitted against which a certain animosity existed in the Reich, or at least, a negative attitude. I was in favor of these co-operatives who were mainly partisans co-operatives. Q.Witness, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 476,100 | 476,600 |
HTO, Winkler and to explain to him that in the east the resettlers had to be assigned because in the rest of the Reich they had no chances of having any kind of an adequate position and profession, a position and profession in line with what they had in their former residences. QNow, who had the initiative in this busi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 476,550 | 477,050 |
AI concerned myself with the DUT on how we could best come to an agreement with the HTO in order to give such people as had to be taken care of by the Main Staff Office the possibility of being placed without any friction. QAs a lawyer you know that one cannot serve two masters. AYes. QWell, which master did you serve ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 477,000 | 477,500 |
a claim of the Reich amounting to six figures. QDid Greifelt intervene on behalf of the Reich in this matter; and did he insist on that claim and, did he insist that the official be held responsible? AI do remember that Greifelt was very ticklish on questions of Reich funds; he was that in all matters. I do recall that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 477,450 | 477,950 |
the HTO with these documents, and now the negotiations started as to whether the substance, the property could be turned over at all and under what conditions. In most of the cases an agreement was reached; and only in such cases when the HTO created difficulties the DUT approached us with the request to take a part in... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 477,900 | 478,400 |
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