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was concerned the whole matter has to be considered in such a way that every resettler had a claim against the Reich. I may assume that the question of the cause of this claim will be made the subject of a later question from you. All I want to say here is that we used seized property in favor of the resettlers and tha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 388,350 | 388,850 |
as the DUT in the provisional properties had their individual organizations and the transactions took place between this e provisional organizations and only in cases when difficulties arose or when complaints were made or if matters made a basic settlement necessary, then my central agency was called in and approached... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 388,800 | 389,300 |
connection. Of my own knowledge I can give you these matters only from the level of the supervising or directing agency; that is, from the top level. QIn other words, you were connected with these matters only when difficulties arose. Now, for instance, if the DUT did not agree with the HTO concerning the resettlers wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 389,250 | 389,750 |
scale decree for the commitment of trustees, and of purchasers for the enterprises in the incorporated eastern territories. The scale of priorities had been established bcause of the situation just described, between the director of the HTO, Dr. Winkler, and myself. This decree regarding priority as I know from my prel... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 389,700 | 390,200 |
the level on which he has taken it over. Therefore, in the industrial field the exploitation on the own account of the trustee is much more appropriate even if one doesn't take into consideration the important fact that the autonomous initiative in these matters can be of decisive importance. QI think that the question... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 390,150 | 390,650 |
resettlers and acted as a broker on account and on behalf of the resettled. They took care of the resettler's interests. QAnd the HTO was the agency which received the purchase price, if I understand you correctly. AYes, the HTO received the purchase price. The value of every acquired object was fixed by experts who we... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 390,600 | 391,100 |
are concerned can be arranged on the lower level without friction and one sighs with a certain relief if that is possible. QNow, in accordance with your description, the former owner did not play any part in the sale. AThat is correct because we had the right to dispose of the property. QNow, in your field of task did ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 391,050 | 391,550 |
was your general attitude there? AIt is correct that in exceptional cases there was contact with the former owners, and they would approach my experts or myself. I gave a few examples yesterday, but, you took me to task because I went a little bit too far and gave too many details. Perhaps I can just refer to what I sa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 391,500 | 392,000 |
the seizure could be pronounced. How can you explain this contradiction? AMay I repeat that this decree only summarized measures which had already been issued and clarified the carrying out of such measures which had previously been issued. Only in this sense can you understand Paragraph 2, because there is no dount wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 391,950 | 392,450 |
forgotten that within the Incor porated Eastern Territories there were Prussian territories for which proper registrations were already in existence. Part of these territories had previously Austrian, and there the documents were not as complete as a German administration would have desired. Eventually there were also ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 392,400 | 392,900 |
saved from potential air attacks under all circumstances. It really is regrettable that some of these index cards cannot be presented here in evidence because these cards would show, without any doubt, to be the best evidence to prove the truth of the statements which I have just made. The card index file in itself was... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 392,850 | 393,350 |
basis for this was given already before and also after the Polish property decree was issued. However, this action was not taken so that the new order which was to be established after the war would not be handicapped. The concept "rearrangement" in this connection must be understood very extensively, and by that I don... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 393,300 | 393,800 |
to be submitted, to my agency as being the top level authority in the field; furthermore, these internal directives, in my opinion, constitute a legal commentary on the Polish Property Decree. QWere these directives also applied within the area of the Government General? AThere was no possibility for that at all within... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 393,750 | 394,250 |
page 75, Article 3, will that refresh your memory? AYes. I am of the opinion that this shows that a competency for church property did not exist. QWas the Polish Property Decree also applied in the Reich proper AI cannot make any precise statements here either? in particular, whether the Polish Property Decree was actu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 394,200 | 394,700 |
to exert a certain amount of influence on the economy and the real estate values which existed in the Polish State which had been occupied. In order to establish an executive organ in an agency to legally handle these measures of which he was thing, he established the HTS under the supervision of Dr. Winkler. Without a... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 394,650 | 395,150 |
to look at the letterheads and file notes of the individual decrees. Whenever the title Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism may appear, one cannot as a matter of course, identify all offices of this agency with that or bring it in connection with this, Exhibit No. 592 bears the letterhead the Reichsfuehr... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 395,100 | 395,600 |
when I am reading over these documents, I have reached the conclusion that it was not decisive what work was carried on by my agency, but this was an infiltration of the security police into the HTO, the Main Trustee Agency East. Q.Was the situation now that you only negotiated as a liaison man with the HTO official fo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 395,550 | 396,050 |
following was involved: The Reich Minister of Finance, or one of his experts -- because I thought that the Reich Minister of Finance, Graf Schwerin von Krosigk was much too clever, that he would have reached such ideas -- had made the suggestion that the financing of the war should be facilitated by means of taking the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 396,000 | 396,500 |
of the DUT in general, in one short sentence? A.It had to safeguard the interest of the resettlers with regard to their property rights and the execution of the restitution of property. Q.Just how did the claim for indemnification of the resettlers arise? A.When the resettlers were called upon to volunteer for a resett... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 396,450 | 396,950 |
the manifoldness of the tasks which accumulated here. I have already described yesterday just how extensive the work was which had to be carried put in order to care for the resettlers. All the work of my agency, as well as that of the DUT was aimed solely at helping the people who had been brought into Germany from fo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 396,900 | 397,400 |
THE MARSHAL:The Tribunal is again in session. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal desires to give counsel and the witness all the latitude that is necessary and we do not desire to restrict you in any manner that would impede in any way your defense. But, we do believe that it would be more helpful to the court if counsel would... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 397,350 | 397,850 |
hardly describe here. Q.Wouldn't it have been simpler to call the DUT resettlers' bank because according to what you say all they did was pay out money to the resettlers. Why did they call it resettlers trusteeship agency then? A. The DUT had much more the nature of the custodian than that of a bank because its task wa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 397,800 | 398,300 |
as cash or kind payments could not be effected? A.Essentially the aim was to give to all resettlers reparations and restitutions in kind for the holdings they had left behind in their home country. That it was not always possible to do so was mainly caused by the fact that the resettlers were committed to certain areas... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 398,250 | 398,750 |
RM. A.Yes, that is the limitation which I have already mentioned this morning, and I gave you the reason already. Q.I would like to discuss an example with you. I would like to remind you of the sugar factories and of the fact that Himmler in one of the few reports you made at his offices, said that this sugar factory ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 398,700 | 399,200 |
should be purchased. I cannot tell you what considerations were decisive for Himmler in this decision. The situation most probably must have been that Himmler saw in this resettlement company a connter-weight against the settlement companies of the Reich Ministry of Foods which I have dealt with this morning already. Q... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 399,150 | 399,650 |
to give the resettlers restitution in kind. I think that most of the resettlers or all of them left their household goods and their homes. Now, who procured the furniture they couldn't take along, and which they needed in their resettlement. Did the DUT procure the furniture? A.No, the DUT only was connected there as f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 399,600 | 400,100 |
General nothing at all because in the Government General we were not competent and we didn't undertake any measures either. Q.And in the incorporated eastern territories? A.In the incorporated eastern territories, well, that was different. All the furniture and the household equipment of the Poles who fled were seized ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 400,050 | 400,550 |
created because of the normal needs. This agency had not been planned and prepared by a big organization; it was only an incorporation of an existing condition into a new organization. The luggage of the repatriated persons from the Baltic States had arrived. Now, this luggage had to be collected first; it had to be st... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 400,500 | 401,000 |
administration of Litzmannstadt were also carried out by the llcal agency and not via Berlin? A.We never negotiated about those matters. Q.As I understand you, you heard about it only after the fact. A.I heard about it only after the fact and, as far as I remember, I heard about it because Dr. Reichert, whom I just men... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 400,950 | 401,450 |
in the ghetto, especially since there was no production of new furniture; it was only a question of the transformation and repair of old furniture which had been legally acquired by the HTO. Q.Did you hear about the fact that the local Plenipotentiary in Upper Silesia also bought furniture from the HYO? A.I have a dim ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 401,400 | 401,900 |
that, as I just stated a while age heard about this matter, but only after Dr. Reichert had reported to me and had checked the matter on the spot. He had come to an agreement with regard to the settlement of these matters. The procurement of those pieces of furniture was carried out in a centralized manner by the Pragu... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 401,850 | 402,350 |
At any rate, my government agency never had any part in such procurement of clothes and never carried it out. QWell, Reichert also refers to a distribution of underwear in the autumn of 1944. Can that be correct? AYes, I have seen that in the document too. I cannot remember it, and I don't believe it either, for in the... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 402,300 | 402,800 |
his Gau. I listened to that suggestion of Greiser's without commenting upon it in detail, because, again, it seemed to me to be one of those numerous attempts of the Reichstatthalters, who were normally not competent for those matters, to get additional funds at the expenses of Reich agencies, and to thus strengthen th... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 402,750 | 403,250 |
take part in the conferences in Schweichelberg? AI think that during one of the Monday conferences, already mentioned several times during these proceedings, the question was briefly discussed, but I did not deal with it any further, I referred it to my export for further consideration. All I know is that again and aga... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 403,200 | 403,700 |
before Dr. Geotz, a lawyer Ludwig, was anxious to provide the resettlers as quickly and as fully as possible with furniture, and to put it mildly, he had been a little bit evergenerous in his loans to not very productive firms of the furniture producing industry. The firm went bankrupt, and because of this, let us call... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 403,650 | 404,150 |
with my government agency and it deals also with the question of using church property for the temporary housing of resettlers. But the matter has to be clarified and it needs a long commentary to do this, Unfortunately, the documents collected in these document books very often misrepresent the connection and the miss... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 404,100 | 404,600 |
could be countered. Since at the time the VOMI did not have any legal experts appropriate for such investigations, my legal department took care of the matter, and at the time that was attorney Goetz. We afforded the necessary help to the VOMI in this respect. The first step in order to clarify the matter is the letter... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 404,550 | 405,050 |
church property, this always was used for charitable purposes. Q.To sum it up briefly, the situation was that these refugees were placed into church buildings in the capacity of refugees and was paid? A.Yes, that was a final wolution. Q.Now, let us come to the other case of church property which you are charged with as... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 405,000 | 405,500 |
Goetz, because both had been proven legal experts and we went from Upper Bavaria to Upper Silesia by motor vehicle, so that we would be able to interfere personally and to settle the matter once and for all. Q.What did you do with Dr. Teske? A.Dr. Teske was immediately dismissed and, on the other hand, I saw to it that... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 405,450 | 405,950 |
assume with certainty that this enclosure is of considerable importance because it contains a directive to the deputies of the Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism in the Incorporated Eastern Territories. It instructs them that in the future they are to refrain from interfering in any way with church prop... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 405,900 | 406,400 |
turned over to us by another agency to take care of them. Q.In order to put the matter more concretely, we want to deal with Count 11 of the indictment which deals with the kidnapping of foreign children. Did you know anything about the extensive plan to kidnap foreign children? A.I don't know of such a plan and I am o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 406,350 | 406,850 |
German minority group had been put into Polish orphanages and that there they were Polonized. It was the clergy who made the request that after the occupation of this territory by the German troops somebody should care for these children. Q.When the Germans marched into Poland these orphanages were intact. Now, what ha... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 406,800 | 407,300 |
stand up for the things it represented. Q.- Now the Lebensborn also played an active part in this. Was this based on a directive by Himmler? A.- I assume so. I assume such a directive must have been issued. Of course that was part of the preparatory work which did not pass through my hands. However, there were no misgi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 407,250 | 407,750 |
minority group? A.- I am not a geo-politician and therefore I cannot make any definite statement about that. However, I believe that in the case of a minority group of 600,000 people within a period of 20 years accumulation of 300 orphans in the various age groups can be considered as being very slight. I believe that ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 407,700 | 408,200 |
former territories and states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lituania. It is one of the Reich Commissar's districts as we had also had a Reich Commissar district, White Ruthenia, the Ukraine, and others. Q.- And did you not have any competence with regard to these Ostlanders? A.- No, I did not have any authority over those. Q... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 408,150 | 408,650 |
it was for acknowledgement. I don't know; among them was Obergruppenfuehrer Wolf. And up until today I still cannot explain to myself why this was done. After all no measures were mentioned here, and as I have stated before, I had nothing to do with abortions. Q.Did you take any action upon this letter? A.No, there was... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 408,600 | 409,100 |
same thing applies. Both exhibits deal with questions of interruption of pregnancy. Q.Will you please tell us briefly who Kaltenbrunner was and what office he held? A.Kaltenbrunner after Heydrich's death, was the chief of the RSHA. Q.And will you please tell us something about the File Note 4-D; what does that mean? A.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 409,050 | 409,550 |
Physicians. This was also a government agency which belonged to the circle? A.Yes; without any doubt, the Reich Chamber of Physicians also played a part in dealing with the question of interruptions of pregnancies, because you must not forget that the actual agency which initiated all those measures was actually the Re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 409,500 | 410,000 |
very fine point in this. THE WITNESS:May I perhaps finish my statement about the two provinces, Upper and Lower Silesia? BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Well, you mentioned that previously yesterday. A.But not the consequences, which arise from the documents which have been presented here. We were able to determine that in cases of ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 409,950 | 410,450 |
certain tasks in that field, I believe that the defendant concerned with that field of work will be more able to give you a statement about connections in that respect than I, who actually had nothing to do officially with these things? Q.I would only like to draw the conclusion now that from these statements it may be... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 410,400 | 410,900 |
little to do with this as with the matters we had dealt with previously, that is, abortions. QWould you kindly tell us which office or agency dealt with these matters? I expect you to say Reich Main Security Office of the Police. AThe Reich Main Security Office dealt with these questions. The Gestapo in the Reich Secur... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 410,850 | 411,350 |
this volume. Will you kindly have a look and see whether these exhibits will refresh your memory with regard to the agencies which participated. AThe correspondence and papers submitted here emanate from the Reich Ministry for the occupied Eastern territories. The title Leader Group, Germandom, points unequivocally to ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 411,300 | 411,800 |
my agency. And we have to state here again that the Reich Security Main Office, I might almost say camouflaged itself under the name of Reich Commissar for the Strengthening of Germanism, and through this fact it was possible that people who were not initiated could he given an opportunity for mixing up these matters. ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 411,750 | 412,250 |
under our care, that is to say he was a person who could be made into a German again; to put it quite briefly, he was given the possibility for leading a normal life in the same way as they were given to any indigenous persons. Court No. I, Case No. VIII. QThe documents mentioned the camp Hinzert; can you tell us somet... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 412,200 | 412,700 |
Was it as an official directive, or as a directive for purposes of information? In what manner did you receive it? A.Again, this directive was received by us only for purposes of information, since my agency had to take part in the care of the persons in question. Both documents submitted show that this was purely a po... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 412,650 | 413,150 |
of 8 October 1939 regarding the incorporation of the Eastern Territories, already touches upon the question of the possibility of acquisition of German nationality by inhabitants of the Incorporated Eastern Territories. However, this basic decree does not yet give any details for the procedure. Q.Is this directive cont... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 413,100 | 413,600 |
concerned. Even I -- who was active in the agency of the Reich Commissar, but who, until that time, had not dealt with questions of ethnic relationships or ethnic struggles -- even I had to witness a state of affairs, which could only be called grotesque. In the Gau Danzig-West Prussia the Reich Governor followed a def... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 413,550 | 414,050 |
the German People's List originated, according to which not all inhabitants of the territory were to be Germans? A.Yes. The German People's List was based on the thoughts which Greiser had established for his Gau. In his Gau German and Polish people had lived together and side by side for centuries, and in the course o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 414,000 | 414,500 |
quite sure that many of these defendants will want to cover, by testimony, parts of testimony which this witness is covering. Therefore the answers should be brief, reasonably brief, and not argumentative. I have made notes of at least a half dozen questions, which contain not more than fifteen words, and yet the answe... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 414,450 | 414,950 |
I wish to make is, first, that the witness must rely upon the lawyer to do the lawyer's part of the trial--that is, to argue the case. I realize also, as would any judge of any experience, that the average witness, whether it's here or in America, if given the privilege will always try to argue his case from the witnes... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 414,900 | 415,400 |
to you. It is Exhibit 93, Volume IV-A, page 1. (Document is offered the witness) This is a decree of Himmler's regarding the examination and selection of the population in the incorporated eastern territories. That is a decree by Himmler which is by right a matter for the Reich Ministry of the Interior. How does this c... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 415,350 | 415,850 |
inclined to the view that the reason why it was established or what the results were from its being established makes very little difference. The question is whetheror not this defendant had anything to do with it, and that is the sole question. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Did it happen that those people fluctuated, as you say, ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 415,800 | 416,300 |
the organization of the entire German administration. In the incorporated Eastern territories, the higher agencies were called Reich Gau and in Germany proper that corresponds to the term of province. Q.Can you give us any reason for the fact that the Supreme Court for Racial Classification, after three levels had been... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 416,250 | 416,750 |
will have to do the same thing in the cross examination. THE PRESIDENT:No, neither one of you are going to do it. The document shows it for itself. DR. HAENSEL:I believe that I an asking questions which show that other things happened which are not mentioned in the document. THE PRESIDENT:You are not asking that but-wh... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 416,700 | 417,200 |
ware temporarily assigned to these enterprises which originally had been owned by persons who first of all were considered as Polish Nationals but who later on by virtue of the DVL procedure were recognized as being Germans. There were, of course, conflicts of interest in these cases between the two parties in question... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 417,150 | 417,650 |
List, the details of which will become evident from the documents, and which I Shall now assume that they are well known to everybody, also contains a section 4. Did you have anything to do with section 4 of the DVL, the German People's List? AIn the general decree 12-C it has been mentioned that a special order------ ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 417,600 | 418,100 |
and things of that sort. QTherefore, this was a part of the ethnic policy. Is this a technical term which was used at the time in the work of Himmler and the agencies which were subordinated to him? Did this play an important Court No. I, Case No. VIII. part there and how were you involved in that problem. AWhen we hea... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 418,050 | 418,550 |
any steps against compulsory measures against people who refused to have their names entered in the DVL? AExhibit 114 is a decree by Himmler- THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Witness, when you tell us the document number and exhibit number, that is sufficient. Do not describe the document further. You can say anything you want to abo... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 418,500 | 419,000 |
the German People's List. After all, the people who dealt with this matter always liked to take the opportunity, in line with a larger discussion, to also discussquestions which had arisen in other fields. Therefore, it is quite possible. However, I cannot recall anything of that sort having happened. I cannot recall t... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 418,950 | 419,450 |
it. QDid you dictate it or was it perhaps submitted to you for your signature? Could you recall just what the situation was? AThe questions pertaining to military service and conscription problems were handled by the Legal Department and by Office 1. In this case it was a matter which was handed by the Legal Department... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 419,400 | 419,900 |
to the so-called Schwedendoerfer, the Swedish villages? A.I can recall that I heard this by way of discussion. Here we are concerned with the expert opinion of various agencies submitted to the Reich Ministry for the East, as to whether the so-called Schwedendoerfer, Swedish villages were to be considered as being Germ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 419,850 | 420,350 |
procedure is carried out, it can also be concluded from the purely legal angle, but from the results of the procedure then we have other measures which then have to be dealt with by some other agency. And that is exactly what applies in this case was. If you ask me, did you have anything to do with the procedure, then,... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 420,300 | 420,800 |
large number of foreign workers into Germany through the plenipotentiary for labor allocation, our attempts were very severely hampered, I don't want to go into any further details here, in view of the short time which I have at my disposal. Q.In order to make the matter more comprehensible to us, can you tell us the f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 420,750 | 421,250 |
COURT I CASE VIII BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.The Prosecution has presented Exhibit 133 here in Document Book IV-C, on page 1. I am now going to hand you the document book, and I ask you to comment on this document. When did you see this document for the first time; and, what is your comment on it? A.I don't want to go into the ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 421,200 | 421,700 |
Settlement Main Office. That agency must have received corresponding directives already before that. Q.In order to refresh your memory, I ask you to take a look at Exhibits 140 and 141, in Document Book IV-C, and they are located on page 9 of the German text; from page 9 to 11 in Book IV-C. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal w... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 421,650 | 422,150 |
the end. Q.But your agency had also to deal with the re-Germanization measures? A.The same is true with regard to the fact that the procedure itself took place without cooperation from my office, and that after the examination procedure had been concluded my office was used for the taking care of these people. Q.Would ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 422,100 | 422,600 |
had voluntarily submitted their names. Q.Do you know how these people were treated when they came to Germany; regarding their pay, their ration coupons, etc.; perhaps you would like to refer to this exhibit on page 66, page 67 at the bottom especially. A.It was like this. The people eligible for Germanization were trea... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 422,550 | 423,050 |
It may also have been 22,000. The document you have mentioned originates from former times; this does not represent the final figures. Q.Do you believe that the people mentioned on the 31st of July 1942, 20,000 -- that is, among whom there were only 13,000 Poles--do you believe that this figure was extensively surpasse... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 423,000 | 423,500 |
my imprisonment. As to your question concerning how Faehnrich was prompted to deal with these measures in regard to Gorales and Slozaks, I may answer by saying that he received corresponding directives from Himmler personally. Q.Did he also receive directives from you as well, or did you show no interest in these matte... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 423,450 | 423,950 |
could also be dealt with in the procedure with regard to prohibited sexual intercourse. In the police procedure, which was carried out by the Reich Security Main Office, people guilty in this respect could be exempted from punishment on the basis of an expert opinion from the RuSHA, These persons then were again called... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 423,900 | 424,400 |
notes to their attorneys. To ahead. THE GUARD:We had orders that no letters were to be passed. THE PRESIDENT:I am giving the orders in this courtroom. Go ahead. DR. HAENSEL:May I continue? THE PRESIDENT:Yes. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.If you now look at Himmler's directive on page 10 of the document book, will you tell us wheth... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 424,350 | 424,850 |
the same volume - A.May I ask you for the number of the page? Q.Page 27. The incident which I am now questioning you on is an incident connected with people from Lublin who were to be Germanized. Do you know it? Do you know the person who signed it? A.I have endeavored to put some chronological order into the whole inc... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 424,800 | 425,300 |
course, do that because I do not remember having seen these letters. Q.Did you take any action in this matter or did you hear anything about it except for these letters? A.This was outside of any competency of my person or of my agency. Q.Do you know the procedure adopted for the racial examination of people eligible f... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 425,250 | 425,750 |
not unnecessarily encumbering the record when the Tribunal will not consider it. Go ahead. DR. HAENSEL:May I have a brief intermission in order to consider this matter? DR.HEIM (for the defendant Schwalm): Mr. President, may I utilize this interval in order to show the Tribunal what were the papers the guard took away ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 425,700 | 426,200 |
72, and the following. ANo, the conditions of work followed, on principle, the regulations developed for people living in the Reich. One might almost say a person eligible for Germanization was better off in this respect; namely, that he was always able to be supported by official welfare agencies. QIf you look at Exhi... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 426,150 | 426,650 |
your part was later on in this arrangement, and why we find your signature here? AI cannot clearly recollect that, but like in many cases it was probably like this: I probably received these ordinance in order to make them public. Q.With this I conclude the Germanization complex. The Prosecution charges that you, by wa... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 426,600 | 427,100 |
publications. Q.Kindly look at Exhibits 115 and 117 of Document Book IV-B. (Documents handed to witness.) Now, what do you understand by the concept of objectors to military service in connection with the German People's List? Is it not in contrast with the fundamental attitude which you have just mentioned here? A.We ... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 427,050 | 427,550 |
as my judgment is concerned, to the judgment of experienced lawyers to, in their own minds, separate the material from the immaterial, the relevant from the irrelevant, and also, so far as you can, to guide the witness to more direct answers. I am quite sure your practice here must be the same in substance as on our si... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 427,500 | 428,000 |
touch upon them. I have been engaged in many different cases in many parts of the world and also in Nuernberg and there it was handled differently. An an attorney I must receive a certain line in which I can carry our my work. I have already suggested that the Prosecution should mark individual documents against Greife... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 427,950 | 428,450 |
true in the trail of any case. The jury or the judge, when it is all ever, must take the evidence and weigh it bit by bit, piece by piece, and in that manner try to arrive at the truth. That cannot be done by any fair Tribunal before the case is over and the evidence is all before the Tribunal. The materiality of the v... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 428,400 | 428,900 |
order to prevent the conscription of the resettlers because of the resettlement tasks which you had to handle. Inspite of this, in later documents your name is also mentioned where people are concerned who refused to serve in the military service. Do you see any contradiction in this? A.No, actually there is no contrad... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 428,850 | 429,350 |
to stop them from carrying out this infamous activity, an agreement was reached with the supreme commander of the Wehrmacht that these persons were to be conscripted for military service in order to bring them back to their respective settlement areas so that all their attempts at enriching themsalves could be stopped.... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 429,300 | 429,800 |
talk somewhat more slowly. You were referring to Oberkrain Lower Styria. To what country did these areas belong at the time? A.These areas belonged to the former Yugoslav State. After the war of 1918 the Austrian Provinces, Corinthia and Styria, were incorporated into the newly established Yugoslav State. Q.For some le... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 429,750 | 430,250 |
chiefs of the civil administration to act as his representatives in these areas, and these representatives then took various measures under this title which they now held. Q.Was the name of one of these representatives Eubereiter? A.Dr. Eubereiter was the chief of the civil administration in Lower Styria. Q.And what re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 430,200 | 430,700 |
to do with it, simply provide for them. They had nothing to do with these things that you are talking about now; he has made that clear. BY DR. HAENSEL: Q.Which one of your people had to deal with this matter? Which one of the people who were subordinated to you had to deal with this? A.That was Office II, which was re... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 430,650 | 431,150 |
of the resettlers. Q.Will you please take a look at Exhibits 677 and 679? Did you write that correspondence? There is no signature on those documents. A.Could you please give me the exhibit numbers once more? Q.These are exhibits 677 and 679, on page 59 of the document book. A.The letter was not written by me, but it o... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 431,100 | 431,600 |
A.I was only ordered to carry on this matter because it was not considered desirable that different agencies should negotiate with Italy on the resettlement question. Furthermore, an agreement was reached between the two states with regard to this settlement. Q.We can now leave that subject, and I turn to another speci... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 431,550 | 432,050 |
that I did not receive it. As far as I can recall, it was only stated that I once received a written copy of a speech of Himmler's for my information. However, that was another speech which he held when he took over his office as Commander in Chief of the Reserve Army. At the time he made that speech before the Command... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 432,000 | 432,500 |
what is it? AThis also is a file note of Main Department III. According to the dictation mark, it can be concluded that it came from Attorney Goetz, who has been here as a witness. He is the man who dictated it and had it signed by two of his collaborators. This matter itself was not submitted to me and I cannot recall... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 432,450 | 432,950 |
deal with this order and its execution once you had drafted it? ANo, that was not possible; after all, it only referred to the territory of the Government-General, and we were unable to start any operations there; however, as far as I am informed, nothing ever came of this entire decree. This was another phase in the s... | Harvard: RuSHA Case | 432,900 | 433,400 |
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