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926532e17a3e-0 | you are either in the prime minister's house and the day you leave the prime minister's house very often you are in adiala jail he has used uh Islam as a political tool I would rather have a dumb guy like Imran than an intelligent guy or a cunning guy like jawl haq I don't see uh you know why I want somebody who makes ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-1 | like Imran has done Namaste Jahin welcome to another edition of ani podcast with Smitha prakash today we shall discuss Pakistan I know many of you will say that why Pakistan we should be focusing on China China is our main adversary and not Pakistan but let me tell you Pakistan is a potent military threat to India even... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-2 | social media and his take on India's strategic challenges is sharp and insightful but before I begin my conversation with my two guests here is a short primer on what happened in Pakistan in the past week I know many of you would be aware of the events that are unfolding out there but for those who don't know here is a... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-3 | not go well though Bhutto has claimed it to be a success there was some sharp takedown by the Indian foreign minister so now let's head to the conversation with sushant Serene and tilak deveshar thank you sushant thank you tilak I hope I have your permission to address you by your first names and uh it's good to have y... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-4 | follow his social media sushant is like always no the best thing to have to India is Imran Khan becoming prime minister of Pakistan not him sitting in a wheelchair is the best thing that has happened to us he does not even accept your agenda Pakistan okay viewers listeners written four books and not three books he's al... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-5 | saw the Judiciary being extremely kind his crowd supporters came all over and prevented the police from entering his house today so this was done to happen any time whether he gets disqualified first or whether he gets arrested first over both are going to happen today that's why the Rangers there were so many of them ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-6 | nawash Sharif in prison what happened with Bhutto and with the others right I mean let's let's not talk go there let's talk about the brutality which zardari has faced is I think his tongue was cut or something like that right what happened with uh Nawaz Sharif and with Benazir with so many of them I mean I can she was... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-7 | went to jail before that reduces Sharif has gone to jail benezid just escaped which he went into Exile went to jail so jail and adyala jail and prime minister's house is power for the course for these guys Imran hasn't gone to adiala not yet not yet there will be a time for that also so he's been taken to Rahul Pindi I... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-8 | these uh complexities sometimes and the Indians are watching it get very irritated but to just to explain what does Rawalpindi mean Pindi is something that we call what does Rawalpindi mean what does jail in Rawalpindi and what is GHQ the the all-encompassing influence so so Rahul Bindi is basically where the General h... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-9 | must have something to do with the Punjab government Punjab police because if you are going to show him arrested in Pindi and you are going to produce him before a court in Pindi then the jurisdiction is of one of the Lahore high court and then of the local Punjab Administration unlike if you pick him up in Islamabad a... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-10 | plot of land and only 34 students in the University obviously it was a kickback and then his wife Bushra baby you know she sort of bargained to get a ring it was a famous diamond ring she got from Malik riyaz you know so this was insisting on five carats not three characters this is a quid pro quo so in that case he di... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-11 | man you know who didn't come from some political family like the bhutos and like Sharif Sharif Kurt of course they say that he's not actually a political family he's made himself into a political family but you know he he didn't come with all that baggage he came as a cricket icon and then he's become part of the syste... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-12 | nothing sticks as far as uh you know even if by law he's broken the law people don't believe that you can see the outpouring yeah so I think there are a couple of reasons for his popularity one is he has a very strong support among the middle class in the lower middle class lawyers crazy officials but one of the reason... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-13 | speaking a total lie people tend to believe it and they feel he said right even if he breaks misquotes a religious saying people say anything the way he appears in court masses of supporters you know he doesn't come if the hearing is 11 o'clock as if he's a movie star and the judges are waiting for him he'll just take ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-14 | the fact that he has he has done complete 180 degree turns from what he was in opposition what so for example uh just uh yesterday some people started you know giving out how this fellow has been had been saying that look if you are taking pot shots of the army you are damaging the country and stuff like that you know ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-15 | proved himself to be utterly incompetent as an administrator he's proved himself to be corrupt uh he has proved himself to uh be a megalomaniac right uh he has he has cultivated favorites to whom he has bestowed all sorts of favors so he has done everything uh which the others have done in some cases at a bigger scale ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-16 | up whereas he is he's say he's taking on the Army he's taking on the establishments but the wives are supporting families he has huge support in the families serving and retired support of the Judiciary the reason one of the tapes that are going to come out has come out is the wife of the Chief Justice yeah talking to ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-17 | traditional parties the biradari thejat you know that kind of a thing okay the urban classes or the people who feel neglected who can't fit into this kind of a traditional political mold he he's tapped into them through his own personal through massive social media look at his social media acumen you know he has uh thi... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-18 | actually did not think that he would be picked up I think yesterday for the first time he must have got a hint because he although he'd crossed that red line earlier as well uh I think the tweets which he did yesterday where he was directly named the uh one of the top is General isi guys uh he named him and he implicat... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-19 | that Musharraf had done this is in November I was there in Lahore that night and on that particular night I was called for a dinner I won't name names whose house it was but one of Imran Khan's closest Associates and a family member of his was also out there and Imran had been picked up and uh he had escaped actually h... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-20 | cops he went to jail within four days he was screaming and shouting and you know crying and he wanted out because he couldn't handle jail so this Bluff and Bluster which is coming from him is just that once they start administering him the treatment I think Nawaz sharif's daughter was probably far braver You know despi... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-21 | him the one thing that he wants so he's going to have withdrawal symptoms in jail absolutely yeah and he won't have hair dye to die and he won't get Kali Dal anyone he won't get okay that is another story in itself okay so I'm not going into the details Family Channel so I'm not going into the details of what Imran Kha... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-22 | politics but he was he was it was quite clear that there was an agenda have it all those kids who were there around very attractive young people around him this cult figure phenomenon is extremely important because what happens is that people have got completely blinded by his personality they they don't believe anythi... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-23 | because of his cult he has started believing that he's above the law he started believing that whatever he says is the gospel truth the fellow who was lynched for blasphemy two days ago in mardan yeah he was a PTA Maulana who said that I no he I believe he said that what I feel for uh Imran is what I feel for the proph... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-24 | is very popular even amongst the families and people in the families worship him a lot and he said look at me all the Army families are my supporters and even making that kind of a comparison and nobody picked up on this and said what because of his popularity because in every speech of his uh whenever he starts talkin... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-25 | written so often and you've said this in several TV uh appearances sushan that he's the best thing to happen to India why do you see this do you really want Imran as a prime minister again who's like totally unhinged yeah but look who does he damage he doesn't damage us he damages Pakistan Pakistan is not a friendly co... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-26 | think this they were smart that they doubled down on it and look at the relations that India has with many of the gulf countries where Pakistan had a run of the place the OIC earlier no not not UIC but I'm not because OIC has you know countries like turkey and others who are rabidly anti-india and pardon my language on... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-27 | I think it was conversible if I'm not mistaken we're covering it in Istanbul and they were like you know those foreign you know that that distinction they make that these are our brothers Blood Brothers but India can be a friend so for a friend you can cut off at any point of time like in Bhai The Blood Brothers you ca... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-28 | the pakistanis like Imran has done I want somebody who destroys their economy like Imran has done I want somebody who destroys their foreign policy like Imran has done I want somebody who destroys uh you know the Primacy of the army the only institution that had kept the country together I want somebody like Imran who ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-29 | ISR was already doing a good job so why should I this was a joint venture of sorts right so you know I agree with what he says please ignore it he's just like kind of just brushes off he will not say whatever so I I agree with what sushant is saying about it that eyesight did a better job than raw could have done why s... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-30 | him 110 what he's done to Pakistan since 47 no other prime minister has done and especially the way he has damaged the Pakistan Army so much so the current Army Chief to damage the Pakistan Army though good enough for us it's good for us so I'm saying all these things are on the positive yet My worry is that as a fooli... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-31 | skid through the whole process and I think Nawaz Sharif written about extensively about this in my book I've read it yes so why Sharif was brought in at times and I think Nawaz Sharif I mean this was the best sort of analysis was he probably didn't realize the full implications of it but he thought that if he reached S... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-32 | capable okay so I'll join issue with him so I'll let's agree to differ on this yeah but I'll join I want to know on both these things see one when you talk about an intelligent enemy I would rather have a dumb guy like Imran than an intelligent guy or a cunning guy like hmm okay a lot of our problems which we have toda... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-33 | ministers have misread their army but our problem as a system this problem in the Indian system is that we get taken in by this these sweet nothings okay so one I would rather have an Imran Khan who abuses us left right and Center so at least that these guys are on their toes rather than somebody you know who's all swe... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-34 | his political compulsion that he has to come to India and abuse Us in India because that's his political compulsion I don't care if he comes into my country and he abuses me he abuses my prime minister he abuses uh he he he wants to clear my country apart uh and he does it in a very nice sweet pansy accent I don't care... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-35 | totally slipped all this while he was telling the G20 for SEO and he was telling the Indian media terrorism we are doing getting rid of terrorism because of our sake not because of Indian author and this is what he actually feels the mofa ministry Foreign Affairs Pakistan has tried to deny it and soft title it but they... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-36 | of them you cannot say deniability it is true you know why they carry the curse of Lucky Bhai um because his uh grandfather's father Shana was he married which Buddha you need to explain now he fell in love with a Hindu dancing girl and married her way back in 1924 I think it was then converted her to Islam and she too... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-37 | he became vehemently anti-india vehemently and the India you know when um Khan said that he will come back to Pakistan and help building the bond uh they're saying what to bang the table he said now I will show these Hindu bastards sorry to use that similarly with venison same thing is with bilaval you know they are in... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-38 | name and even because Prime Minister Modi said that huh yeah but but yeah but Imran you know in a sense partly given his background uh you know at one level it's irritating for him that why are you associating me with that guy I'm you know he's not even my relative really uh so it's irritating for him but at another le... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-39 | others oh Imran is such a good friend he's not your friend yeah he's he does it because it suits him at some level these are not friends he is not your friend but you know try and explain it how do you explain this to a sidhu I mean you know he has that islamist streak in him he wanted the Taliban to open an office in ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-40 | fellow Abdul satar and then Eddie did not want to be a part of it and as he felt threatened by what these guys were trying to do he tried to stay away from the public he tried to stay away from it but the fact of the matter remains that these guys you know Imran has always had that streak in him and uh that is that is ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-41 | do tell me now about beloved let's talk about that and what he did when he came to GOA that how you know he comes in there and he tries to be this foreign minister uh did did India underestimate him that he came with an agenda I think I don't think so the India especially The Indian in the Indian media didn't understan... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-42 | uh he yeah abusive language yeah but that is one thing again the Prime Minister but here in India he articulated all that the Army wanted to hear he articulated about terrorism he articulated about India going has to go back from 5th August 2019 walk back in case they want to have a job with Pakistan India in fact it's... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-43 | but what is written in that declaration the the what is written is that the prime minister of Pakistan told the prime minister of India of certain developments in Balochistan could you can tell me about developments no there was nothing more than that declaration you you brought the the fact is that um was brought on t... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-44 | people kept on doing that anyway that was in the past now if we talk about bilaval if he was trying if he was trying to send a message back to the army that I am a better interlocutor I can play the Pakistan card better than an Imran Khan can does he need to say that Pakistan is already I mean Pakistan establishment ha... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-45 | allergic to even Maryam coming to the four or the option is that if you go into a next election you have a very split verdict The People's Party manages to get about 70 80 seats about 45 odd in in sin another 10 15 In This Place South Punjab of smattering from here and there about five seven in Balochistan they are in ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-46 | of his now what is he trying to do he is basically trying to take a leaf out of the book of his grandfather and his mother they have also used the same template you abuse India to uh you know yeah you know gain political Capital within the country right Bhutto did it after 65 war and you know everybody swore by Buddha ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-47 | should he keep quiet he here is this and Dr jayashankar's press conference happened after the levels right and and clearly what bilawal said in his press conference had to be answered which is exactly what do you think that uh uh you know there's been criticism also in Pakistan that uh bilaval should have probably just... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-48 | the army Bilal has taken the route because of zalari's training and zadaris you know sort of teaching him to go and Bash India so now let's see so the Army as got these two hats it'll be very interesting to see it come elections if they're held this year or whenever they're held Which hat do they pick up on so Bilal is... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-49 | Pakistan is not a member of G20 it is not a member of brics it is not a member of Ric it is not a member of G7 what are they members of SEO becomes very important for them and therefore to show their solidarity with SEO and then China defense you better show up so he took this opportunity to come and I'm sure he would ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-50 | met this so he presented himself and showed his commitment to SEO and then he got the opportunity to lay down Pakistan's line very very strongly I mean some of the comments that he made you know this um wolf whistle all terrorism and weaponizing terrorism yeah but explain to me what that term means I don't know I could... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-51 | have good relations in India is he the foreign minister of the PPP of the foreign minister of Pakistan I think he missed out over there then he said my mother was the victim of terrorism all along the line has been that killed it was an assassination not a terrorist attack yes maybe whoever was hired was he trying to s... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-52 | put it as Darkly as that when she wasn't a victim of terrorism one second you know when he says that somebody else is trying to politicize terrorism what was that weaponization what he is doing is monetizing Terrorism for his political purpose interesting by saying that my mother is you know has has sacrificed her life... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-53 | the ministry of external Affairs is using appropriate language to Target these guys you know Punjabi News but they should you know Mothership of terrorism there are a number of interesting phrases which they have coined no I think made this formulation that he is the promoter the a couple of other things of terrorism y... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-54 | I think what he has done is he has signaled uh the fact that the pakistanis are not interested in even a modicum of normalization absolutely right because if they were he could have played this very differently but he decided not to see as soon as he say that you go back to the pre or you go back to the 4th August 2019... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-55 | he has demolished the entire argument of the PPP that she was actually assassinated No in fact worse he has insulted victims of terrorism by saying that his mother is a victim of terrorism she is not a victim of terrorism so there's other nonsense um the thing is that sushant and I we we have friends uh who are pakista... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-56 | the journalists who had come one of them is a decent guy I met him and I was telling him something I said listen you know all the Indian journalists also dumb down everything pardon my saying this in the company of journalists Pakistan is very important in Indian elections I sent him a report uh somebody had done this ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-57 | India keep complaining to um about Manmohan Singh he said why does India keep going to America to complain about Pakistan so at that time Mr Modi was chief minister of Gujarat turned around and said that how dare you insult my prime minister so that became a thing so the pakistanis were like look we are so important fo... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-58 | now is a bigger country and a bigger threat as compared to Pakistan what do you have to say to that because I've heard you in many uh you know uh podcasts and uh discussions where you say that you ignore Pakistan at the at your own Peril which is absolutely true you see let's make a distinction China is a bigger enemy ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-59 | we must not ignore Pakistan look at what happened you think that Pakistan is in a mess you've had two attacks with five five Indian soldiers have died you cannot ignore Pakistan and you know as I it's a radicalized Pakistan and it's a hungry Pakistan it will become an angry Pakistan and the only way the establishment i... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-60 | which happens and then this this familiar truth politicians right so but this is all I'm sorry to say this is all the Punjabi is a monkey no like you know they they love getting their backsides kicked and then want it again and again and again they start enjoying it also so much of indoctrination in Pakistan especially... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-61 | I used to ask these people how many days did you stay there try staying there for a month and see how the scales fall and what the actual reality yeah when the Visas were available but people used to go for cricket matches people would go on visits so they would spend three days four days over there and come back with ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-62 | the Indian border because there's no water there's no food from sin and South Punjab then you start marching towards the Indian border Pakistan Army may not let them come they may not be able to hold them what will you do what do you do at your border checkpost if somebody find this because it's humanitarian you know t... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-63 | is this you know this weak uh unstable uh Pakistan which and and poor which works for me right this is my best case scenario my worst case scenario is what Mr diveshwar said but then between those two there is an entire range of possibilities which can happen so what what we need is not to be fearful that and we should... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-64 | but this is a war in which your security forces will be constantly keeping these elements at Bay now somewhere you might have to go inside and do certain things somewhere you might have to carve out some kind of buffer zones somewhere you will see ungoverned spaces or ungovernable spaces in Pakistan and then some kind ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-65 | Pakistan this is how this is the spiral has gone out of control in Pakistan they were they have the largest contiguous irrigation Network in the world till about two or three years ago they've had Surplus wheat which they would send out today they have to import 3 billion tons of wheat you know why because the acreage ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-66 | talks about uh the financial crisis yeah economic situation of Pakistan is worse than what Sri Lanka situation is is what he's saying and of course he's blaming the Sharif brothers and he's blaming the current uh political establishment while he was all the time talking about the military establishment he's even blamed... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-67 | being told by Shahbaz and being told the problem with Maryam is that she has many competitors Sharif his son Hamza Sharif Nawaz Sharif also wants to come back and become fourth time prime minister you know so and a lot of people in the pmln takanabasi for example says that I cannot accept her as my leader so Maryam and... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-68 | mass leader I am not very sure if nawashri would want to become Prime Minister again maybe uh just Pakistan because a lot of people are saying that uh he is now looking to hand over his legacy to Maryam the only problem is that uh there is an element of impetuity in Maryam you know you see that she she is quick to uh y... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-69 | hold hands and and improve relations like that so Mr need first destroyed vajpayee's government then destroyed Mr advani's career now he's hell-bent on destroying Mr Modi it is Mr modi's good sense that he keeps Kulkarni at an arm's length the reason I'm saying you know with Mr Kulkarni is yes sushant is right so in th... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-70 | fact is that these were there were two people in vajpai's uh pmo which is Mr Kulkarni and Mr dulath Right these were the two people who were in The pmo I'm not saying and this is this I'm again saying that you know every time Mr Dr Manmohan Singh Is blamed for his Pakistan policy but it was a BJP government with Mr vaj... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-71 | that India has a wrong foreign policy so you tell me that we can look in hindsight now and say but both today both Imran Khan and beloved to have clearly drawn the line they have said unless you walk back on the 5th August 2019 changes there will be no talks no dialogue where is what Regal room is left for diplomats an... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-72 | walk back right Upton yeah everything we would also want back now we also want to walk back said that India has changed the Dynamics because of these changes in fifth August and therefore it is up to India to create the atmosphere for talks or if you don't want to talk they don't get it still we now this is what it is ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-73 | of a larger plan so if you're a democracy and you you have this relationship that I will not talk it's not a mature way of of being a a superpower or or a power or a country which aims to be a superpower way but you know I won't talk to you but once again he will any day talk to you he's in such a situation today it's ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-74 | there is no structured dialogue of the source which was happening in the past now frankly from our point of view okay maybe at the back Channel some people are talking they are trying to sort certain things out or at least keep you know the the business level of the relationship going for whatever that's worth yeah but... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-75 | a change the Army was on board to have trade with India Baja wasn't you know was interested in this that Imran Khan because he felt left out and he felt that he is this superhuman guy how can you do this from what I have heard uh Imran was very much in the loop there were other people who were not in the loop Qureshi a... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-76 | zero intellect you know you can have a combination of the two very low cunning that you are very you know smart and certain things but intellectually completely backwards which is what he is he is that you know okay so what is the way forward if I was to talk like this now okay what both of you are saying I mean you'd ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-77 | that change happen when when do you think that that we India crossed over at that stage where we say to hell with you tomorrow everybody except that after 5th August 2019 Kashmir is no longer on the table as far as India is concerned and the International Community has accepted this India has pulled Kashmir out of the ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-78 | until unless it has an East-West alignment as well so you are a bridge to nowhere right so all this talk about geoeconomics Falls flat because Pakistan's geographical relevance is just not there anymore it is relevant now in the context of India now that's a very significant thing that you're saying because all along P... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-79 | very often you know yeah I'm going to say it because very often I see people talk about stuff this is the lowest of the low hanging fruits but they are such dumbos it works for them more than it works for us see at the end of the day Afghanistan is a 10 billion dollar economy 10 billion right that's the size of the eco... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-80 | the benefits of just Transit trade they don't have to do a thing truck is going from one side Tron shipment use Pakistani trucks they make money both ways yeah to come back to the question on China what is how does China View this situation now look I think what is their interest I think the the Chinese have a deep int... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-81 | and it just comes crashing before that what about the uh the Baloch and the TTP will they allow it will they allow it or through their land right so so uh so all those announcements I think you take with a pinch of salt but I think the Chinese have a very deep strategic interest in Pakistan I think they've given up tho... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-82 | okay let him her him everybody else come and bail you out then we will chip in and you have the money to start paying us then we will come okay and the pakistanis uh are in a very bad spot right now partly because now the Chinese are no longer even observing diplomatic niceties with them you know what what the Chinese ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-83 | advised them it was in Lahore if I'm not mistake I think it was addressing Parliament either it was in Lahore or the joint session I'm not very clear right now but he had advised them that you know you need to start making up with India not in as many words but basically saying problems need to be sorted out they ignor... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-84 | out Pakistan how come you know it's not happening historically we've always seen that the West steps up America steps up and bails out Pakistan all the three times when us has been the only interested in Pakistan today is the nuclear weapons and terrorism to make sure that the terrorists you know don't uh beyond that t... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-85 | to be selling refined products okay which is why the the price which is normally being coated there's no Clarity right now but whatever price is being quoted I doubt if they're going to be selling it at that price because crude price is something and refined products or something completely different and then of course... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-86 | dollars is going to change anything but given how much they have resisted or they've not really stepped up to the plate uh I suspect that there might be something else which is maybe they have reconciled can go let them sink let them go under because once they go under then maybe we can extract certain other benefits o... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-87 | the Judiciary is fighting amongst itself there's a confrontation between the legislature and the Judiciary for example Kenny Murray the chief justice has asked for records of the National Assembly debate to be summoned and the National Assembly has retorted by telling the speaker you convert the house into a committee ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-88 | I was coming last resort chief martial law administrator with all this crisis what else uh what can the Army do the Army has no Expedition on the economy what can the Army do in Pakistan that they've always been the solution what is the solution is led to the problem far worse no no but see uh the earlier problems were... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-89 | they going to how are they going to fix the economy so for fixing the economy you need very very deep structural reform right very deep structural reform also will extend to the Army okay even if it doesn't extend to the Army it will it will completely uh you know append and overhaul the complete economic system which ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-90 | soon as there's a military coup sanctions will kick in from the U.S I am a Phil stop giving you'll find World Bank will pull away so the only solution which can take place may not be a military coup but what's being called a technocratic government you know people they bring in about their technocrat government experim... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-91 | think that even raghuram Rajan is hopeful that other Rahul Gandhi prime minister I will be the Prime Minister many say that that's what raghuram rajan's uh uh so if you say that delusions technocrat is fine thinking that he will become Prime Minister after some time the technocrat also becomes political because the mos... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-92 | for relief for the people it cannot be a cut and dried program what you are telling us to do we have to give relief to the people but then the IMF will not accept that so A technocrat will say as you said this has to be done he doesn't have that pulse of the people and in India's case when Manmohan Singh bolt at certai... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-93 | they would have never happened true but even then Smita what many people forget is that Pakistan has gone through that cycle 23 times or at least 13 times right in India is the first time it happened we kind of reformed and we moved forward the pakistanis have always taken the IMF loan [Music] it's also this I think th... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-94 | television there is this thing that is everybody sent if you can afford it you send your children that's what all the TV shows nationalities dual nationalities they're all going they're sitting abroad and they're commenting about the situation in Pakistan but there is a change if you've noticed in some of the tonality ... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-95 | but yes it is indicative conversely there are people in India again a very few who don't matter at the moment the dynamic is they are saying Pakistan is today is very weak we should perform a much more aggressive policy towards Pakistan so you know you have this one who says this is amazing Dynamic no it's happening on... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-96 | and really good ones right uh and and I there was a time when I got into this profession I actually believed you know things can work out until I realized better and my for me I think in many ways the cutoff point was 2008 26 11. that's when I said and and not just the attack the attitude of the pakistanis when they tr... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-97 | know the Punjabi I have to speak about this you know there are so many diplomats who when they are in service and when they do Pakistan desk and all that when we are journalists you know they get after us there's an article also you've seen how when India Pakistan talks you know there'd be one press conference that Ind... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-98 | who talked about improving ties they are the ones who have become Hawks you know where is the intellectual honesty in this at least sushant is saying that he changed his views because he inherited something uh you know and then he realized the ground situation intellectual dishonesty that you've seen yeah absolutely th... | hSDfIBpFWis |
926532e17a3e-99 | no but but here is the problem you know when people say all this I I understand where they're coming from and I I can okay I respect their point of view but I want empirical evidence what is the empirical evidence do they have in justifying what they are suggesting right if you look at uh the the data let's take 1990 a... | hSDfIBpFWis |
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