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[44 days 08:00:00] well | [0 days 00:00:00] please ask |
[0 days 00:00:00] please ask | [0 days 00:02:00] okay |
[0 days 00:02:00] okay | [0 days 00:00:00] you need to connect via pop3 or imap, thats thats not really an ubuntu issue |
[0 days 00:00:00] you need to connect via pop3 or imap, thats thats not really an ubuntu issue [3 days 21:04:00] fedora/redhat don't even include smbfs any more [0 days 00:01:00] cifs file system [11 days 22:33:00] I don't have any docs | [0 days 00:02:00] if you don't have a useful answer, don't answer at all. |
[0 days 00:02:00] if you don't have a useful answer, don't answer at all. | [0 days 00:00:00] I could have said "have you tried looking this is nothing to do with ubuntu so not really apporoptiate for an ubuntu support channel" |
[0 days 00:00:00] I could have said "have you tried looking this is nothing to do with ubuntu so not really apporoptiate for an ubuntu support channel" | [0 days 00:02:00] novell |
[0 days 00:02:00] novell [12 days 01:53:00] bouncer | [0 days 00:00:00] thanks |
[0 days 00:00:00] thanks | [36 days 19:32:00] Falstius: ruby stuff. "mkmf" ".rb" |
[36 days 19:32:00] Falstius: ruby stuff. "mkmf" ".rb" | [0 days 00:00:00] exactly |
[0 days 00:00:00] exactly [80 days 20:18:00] use a for loop [0 days 00:03:00] or "for i in `cat filename` do ; apt-get remove $i ; done; [0 days 00:01:00] look for what ? | [0 days 00:00:00] want me to look for you? |
[0 days 00:00:00] want me to look for you? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes, I say the same from ljl too, hence my curiosity |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes, I say the same from ljl too, hence my curiosity [5 days 04:56:00] what is the problem [0 days 00:02:00] you can't unload something thats in use or "driving" something | [0 days 00:01:00] i dont want sound if i dont need it |
[0 days 00:01:00] i dont want sound if i dont need it | [0 days 00:00:00] blacklist the module and reboot then |
[0 days 00:00:00] blacklist the module and reboot then | [0 days 00:01:00] i blacklisted yesterday, will reboot. thank you |
[0 days 00:01:00] i blacklisted yesterday, will reboot. thank you | [0 days 02:22:00] your spamming the chanel, you've been here long enough to know thats not allowed |
[0 days 02:22:00] your spamming the chanel, you've been here long enough to know thats not allowed [0 days 00:00:00] stop now [0 days 00:01:00] seriously - stop | [0 days 00:00:00] if you haven't noticed, i stopped. but i would like help. |
[0 days 00:00:00] if you haven't noticed, i stopped. but i would like help. | [0 days 00:01:00] I get that, be patient. You've been here long enough to know how it works |
[0 days 00:01:00] I get that, be patient. You've been here long enough to know how it works | [58 days 02:27:00] don't you favour linux over windows? |
[58 days 02:27:00] don't you favour linux over windows? [0 days 00:00:00] you're biased! you should ask him to stay on linux! | [0 days 00:00:00] biased ? |
[0 days 00:00:00] biased ? [0 days 00:00:00] how am I biased ? [0 days 00:00:00] I don't use windows, I am %100 linux [0 days 00:01:00] you don't know me or anything about me so please don't pass comment about me [0 days 01:09:00] yes | [0 days 00:00:00] do you mean to talk about 8.04? |
[0 days 00:00:00] do you mean to talk about 8.04? [1 days 04:16:00] well, he cant do it from within windows [0 days 00:01:00] the problem is, ***if*** he somehow does ANYTHING he could overwrite the data | [0 days 00:01:00] those files are gone |
[0 days 00:01:00] those files are gone | [0 days 00:00:00] (so you're right) |
[0 days 00:00:00] (so you're right) | [0 days 00:01:00] what good ie encyption to his situation ? |
[0 days 00:01:00] what good ie encyption to his situation ? | [0 days 00:01:00] i was explaning the dillemma |
[0 days 00:01:00] i was explaning the dillemma | [0 days 00:00:00] what dillema ? |
[0 days 00:00:00] what dillema ? | [0 days 00:02:00] there is no good way to recover from within windows. anything could happen to overwrite the place. and as you say, there isn't the level of integration between linux and ntfs |
[0 days 00:02:00] there is no good way to recover from within windows. anything could happen to overwrite the place. and as you say, there isn't the level of integration between linux and ntfs | [0 days 00:00:00] so what has that go to do with encyption ? |
[0 days 00:00:00] so what has that go to do with encyption ? | [0 days 00:00:00] encrypting a entire partition can hinder efforts to recover files. |
[0 days 00:00:00] encrypting a entire partition can hinder efforts to recover files. | [0 days 00:01:00] what are you talking about ? |
[0 days 00:01:00] what are you talking about ? | [0 days 00:00:00] i'm not suggesting encryption. i'm rather saying to Mo9a7i that he's lucky that he hasn't encrypted his entire ntfs partition. |
[0 days 00:00:00] i'm not suggesting encryption. i'm rather saying to Mo9a7i that he's lucky that he hasn't encrypted his entire ntfs partition. | [0 days 00:01:00] encyption would make no difference |
[0 days 00:01:00] encyption would make no difference [2 days 06:48:00] look at pre-linking [0 days 00:01:00] don't put people down when you actually don't understand [0 days 00:00:00] it's not over his head - its over your head, thats why you don't know | [0 days 00:01:00] i did not put him down. i said yes he can, but i was referring to the glibc upgrade questions that lurk over his head |
[0 days 00:01:00] i did not put him down. i said yes he can, but i was referring to the glibc upgrade questions that lurk over his head | [0 days 00:00:00] no - you said you can't without a re-install, you didn't know about the glibc potential issues until I mentioned it, so don't say things you don't understand or know nothing about and don't say things are over peoples head |
[0 days 00:00:00] no - you said you can't without a re-install, you didn't know about the glibc potential issues until I mentioned it, so don't say things you don't understand or know nothing about and don't say things are over peoples head | [0 days 00:01:00] sorry |
[0 days 00:01:00] sorry | [0 days 00:00:00] if you don't know something, don't talk with authority |
[0 days 00:00:00] if you don't know something, don't talk with authority [0 days 00:01:00] you didn't understnad, you didn't know, as normal and just made up a response | [0 days 00:00:00] ok i admit it |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok i admit it [4 days 01:28:00] why do you say that when the reverse is true | [0 days 00:00:00] what ? |
[0 days 00:00:00] what ? | [0 days 00:00:00] never mind |
[0 days 00:00:00] never mind | [26 days 19:57:00] you've asked this about 100 times |
[26 days 19:57:00] you've asked this about 100 times [0 days 02:23:00] kbrooks they are both started at process id 12 [0 days 00:08:00] I told you though bother start at process id 12 | [0 days 00:00:00] i didnt want that info, but thank you |
[0 days 00:00:00] i didnt want that info, but thank you | [0 days 00:00:00] they don't need to start earlier, they start at the same time |
[0 days 00:00:00] they don't need to start earlier, they start at the same time | [0 days 00:01:00] but on here um hal starts and then dbus but hal does not see dbus because it starts later |
[0 days 00:01:00] but on here um hal starts and then dbus but hal does not see dbus because it starts later | [0 days 00:01:00] what makes you think that ? |
[0 days 00:01:00] what makes you think that ? | [0 days 00:02:00] because when i login after a reboot, network manager outputs a error message saying that it could not communicate with HAL and the applet icon has the disconnection icon superimposed over it |
[0 days 00:02:00] because when i login after a reboot, network manager outputs a error message saying that it could not communicate with HAL and the applet icon has the disconnection icon superimposed over it | [0 days 00:01:00] that doesn't mean they are starting up wrong |
[0 days 00:01:00] that doesn't mean they are starting up wrong | [0 days 00:03:00] well either way, i need to fix it because this is the reason i don't shut down my laptop much |
[0 days 00:03:00] well either way, i need to fix it because this is the reason i don't shut down my laptop much [0 days 00:01:00] the error message is "can't start hal - please ensure dbus is running" [0 days 00:00:00] from when hal starts [0 days 00:01:00] what couuld i do to fix this | [0 days 11:57:00] clean up what sort of data |
[0 days 11:57:00] clean up what sort of data [0 days 00:01:00] what sort of data | [0 days 00:00:00] um, packages etc. |
[0 days 00:00:00] um, packages etc. | [0 days 00:00:00] cleaning up packages is managed through apt |
[0 days 00:00:00] cleaning up packages is managed through apt [0 days 00:01:00] other file systems - no | [0 days 00:00:00] sigh, i use ext3 |
[0 days 00:00:00] sigh, i use ext3 | [0 days 00:00:00] file system was the wrong phrase, sorry |
[0 days 00:00:00] file system was the wrong phrase, sorry [0 days 00:00:00] the package managment tool will clean packages from the system, but other directories are not controlled by any tool that could do file system alterations [0 days 00:01:00] good good, file system was the wrong phrase, | [0 days 00:00:00] i understand that |
[0 days 00:00:00] i understand that | [14 days 00:29:00] im standard? |
[14 days 00:29:00] im standard? | |
have you tried the system menu? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes. It is a useless dialog box that doesn't show me display drivers or anything. totally different from gutsy as far as I can tell |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes. It is a useless dialog box that doesn't show me display drivers or anything. totally different from gutsy as far as I can tell | [0 days 00:02:00] I'll be back, let me switch to linux |
[0 days 00:02:00] I'll be back, let me switch to linux | [0 days 00:00:00] ok thanks |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok thanks | [0 days 00:27:00] there? |
[0 days 00:27:00] there? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes [0 days 00:01:00] I tried to reenable the restricted drivers at least, but still can't get my high-res settings back with the correct driver [0 days 00:01:00] rebooted, X complained it was in lowres mode, and I couldn't get anything to work | [0 days 00:00:00] what happened? |
[0 days 00:00:00] what happened? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes | [0 days 00:00:00] okay |
[0 days 00:00:00] okay [0 days 00:00:00] so then you went for EnvyNG? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes and they worked fine |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes and they worked fine | [0 days 00:00:00] you started with restricted drivers? |
[0 days 00:00:00] you started with restricted drivers? | [0 days 00:00:00] I used envyng to install the latest |
[0 days 00:00:00] I used envyng to install the latest | [0 days 00:01:00] okay |
[0 days 00:01:00] okay | [0 days 00:00:00] when I did what |
[0 days 00:00:00] when I did what | [0 days 00:00:00] did it *say* it was uninstalling the restricted drivers? |
[0 days 00:00:00] did it *say* it was uninstalling the restricted drivers? [0 days 00:00:00] or are you assuming? | [0 days 00:00:00] yes I reenabled the restricted drivers, which uninstalled envyng |
[0 days 00:00:00] yes I reenabled the restricted drivers, which uninstalled envyng | [0 days 00:00:00] and the drivers it installed? |
[0 days 00:00:00] and the drivers it installed? [0 days 00:00:00] did you then uninstall EnvyNG? | [0 days 00:00:00] rebooted and still in low res mode |
[0 days 00:00:00] rebooted and still in low res mode | [0 days 00:01:00] nvidia or ati? |
[0 days 00:01:00] nvidia or ati? [0 days 00:00:00] so in my encounters with Envy, it doesn't like having other drivers around [0 days 00:00:00] and other drivers don't exactly like it | [0 days 00:00:00] i'm willing to give it another try. what steps should i take |
[0 days 00:00:00] i'm willing to give it another try. what steps should i take | [0 days 00:00:00] well... |
[0 days 00:00:00] well... [0 days 00:00:00] what vid card do you have? [0 days 00:01:00] EnvyNG dl's drivers and installs them as packages sorta | [0 days 00:00:00] right |
[0 days 00:00:00] right [0 days 00:00:00] Radeon 9600 | [0 days 00:00:00] 'k... so... |
[0 days 00:00:00] 'k... so... [0 days 00:01:00] and it does so in such a way that they won't be upgraded by ubuntu automatically [0 days 00:00:00] so you'd need to uninstall everything | [0 days 00:00:00] ok then how do you actually "use" them |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok then how do you actually "use" them | [0 days 00:00:00] restricted drivers and EnvyNG drivers if possible |
[0 days 00:00:00] restricted drivers and EnvyNG drivers if possible [0 days 00:00:00] and retry with EnvyNG [0 days 00:01:00] that hopefully would get the correct drivers going AND the correct xorg stuff going [0 days 00:01:00] so I'd first uninstall the ATI driver with EnvyNG | [0 days 00:00:00] ok I'll try that first |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok I'll try that first | [0 days 00:00:00] you know how? |
[0 days 00:00:00] you know how? | [0 days 00:02:00] install envyng first, right? |
[0 days 00:02:00] install envyng first, right? | [0 days 00:00:00] wait... |
[0 days 00:00:00] wait... [0 days 00:00:00] you're not installing or uninstalling envyng [0 days 00:00:00] use envyng to uninstall the drivers it installed [0 days 00:01:00] sure [0 days 00:00:00] start it up and under the first screen on main, there's an uninstall radio button | [0 days 00:00:00] ok doing that now |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok doing that now [0 days 00:00:00] restart? [0 days 00:01:00] restart X or do I have to reboot? | [0 days 00:00:00] restarting x should be sufficient |
[0 days 00:00:00] restarting x should be sufficient | [0 days 00:00:00] ok brb |
[0 days 00:00:00] ok brb | [0 days 00:00:00] 'k |
[0 days 00:00:00] 'k [0 days 00:01:00] try disabling the restricted drivers you have currently | [0 days 00:00:00] now what |
[0 days 00:00:00] now what [0 days 00:00:00] ok I'm back | [0 days 00:00:00] 'k |
[0 days 00:00:00] 'k | [0 days 00:01:00] they show up as not in use |
[0 days 00:01:00] they show up as not in use [0 days 00:00:00] as I would expect | [0 days 00:00:00] okay |
[0 days 00:00:00] okay [0 days 00:00:00] then you could try running envyng again [0 days 00:00:00] just reinstalling the drivers | [0 days 00:01:00] doing that now |
[0 days 00:01:00] doing that now | [0 days 00:00:00] it should reset your xorg |
[0 days 00:00:00] it should reset your xorg [0 days 00:01:00] yeah | [0 days 00:00:00] brb |
[0 days 00:00:00] brb [0 days 00:00:00] ok done. now I should restart X again? [0 days 00:01:00] ok I'm back [0 days 00:01:00] sitting here in 640x480 still, glxinfo showing no accel | [0 days 00:00:00] i'm assuming resolution is unchanged? |
[0 days 00:00:00] i'm assuming resolution is unchanged? | [0 days 00:00:00] right |
[0 days 00:00:00] right | [0 days 00:00:00] okay, can you find an ATI menu item in the system ->administration menu? |
[0 days 00:00:00] okay, can you find an ATI menu item in the system ->administration menu? [0 days 00:01:00] don't use ubuntu to configure your display anymore | [0 days 00:00:00] nope |
[0 days 00:00:00] nope | [0 days 00:00:00] okay... give me a minute... |
[0 days 00:00:00] okay... give me a minute... | [0 days 00:00:00] what command can I use to see what driver is loaded? |
[0 days 00:00:00] what command can I use to see what driver is loaded? | [0 days 00:03:00] ahhh, yuck |
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