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willing to acknowledge I may be wrong.
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So here to tell us a little bit about his book, Welcome Back, Dan Hasla.
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Thanks, Cameron. Thanks for having me.
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That's very different to an approach to teaching literacy or anything else.
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policy, pull them interventions if you like, but to be out of plan really targeted curriculum, you know, experiences.
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what's the quality stuff or what's not, you know,
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with better something to build on.
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rather than looking at what you get your practice and you're changing a particular way and you might have your beliefs about how kids are going to learn.
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does that, and also, i mean, is there much capital available to entrepreneurs? is there money available to people with bright ideas?
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there's a vibrant informal economy that is, is lying.
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published her paper for the CIS, called Why Jaden.
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for about seven years.
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don't even think it's an issue. Is it called a straw man when you have a debate about something that isn't actually happening
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new South Wales. I mean obviously that we will continually improve our practice.
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practices. The other part of the argument that I hear, which is really frustrating, is that it's
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they've learned something valuable, but if the students don't see a broader purpose in the context of their learning,
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a very attractive view to government.
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while they're really effective and desirable practices.
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you know, really come up with your own
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system that is increasingly focused on accountability.
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We're in a political climate, I think.
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for their students. So we're actually planning to use a coaching model to guide that discussion and we'll see where it goes. Really John's been working on it this
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headlining event, I guess, of a debate between Kevin Donnelly and David Zinger, two people who are pretty much at the opposite ends of the
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I just don't understand why everything has to happen the first half of the year.
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back in him who I mentioned earlier in this podcast will be there as well. Now I'm
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going to be speaking down at that event and I haven't actually worked out quite what it will be, aren't it?
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and text Chris Monroe, Deborah Nataliki.
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And finally, at the end of June, 28th and 29th of June.
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you know, maybe growing up in a very disadvantaged community.
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or have been marginalized for some reasons. So that's going to be the 28th and 29th of June. It's at
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Well, I wasn't able to make last year's events. I'm hoping I
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So while we're usually pretty good at wearing out our opinions on our sleeves on this podcast, just be aware that if
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