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Don't be so sure. Look what happened to Japanese citizens in the US during
World War II. If you're prepared to say "Let's round these people up and
stick them in a concentration camp without trial", it's only a short step to
gassing them without trial. After all, it seems that the Nazis originally
only intended to ... | 0 | alt.atheism |
[...]
These don't seem like "little things" to me. At least, they are orders
worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a "little thing"
that will lead to worse things? | 0 | alt.atheism |
Yes.
(I am adamantly an environmentalist. I will not use styrofoam table service.
Please keep that in mind as you read this post - I do not wish to attack
environmentalism)
A half truth is at least as dangerous as a complete lie. A complete lie will
rarely be readily accepted, while a half truth (the lie subtly hi... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I have been following this thread on talk.religion,
soc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at
the different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present.
One question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered
from Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to prov... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
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First of all, infinity is a mathematical concept created by humans
to explain certain things in a certain way. We don't know if it actually
applies to reality, we don't know if anything in the world is infinite.
You don't know if the universe is actually continuous. Continuum is another
mathematical... | 0 | alt.atheism |
.d.
.d.
I just thought of another one, in the Bible, so it's definately not because
of *lack* of religion. The Book of Esther (which I read the other day for
other reasons) describes the origin of Pur'im, a Jewish celbration of joy
and peace. The long and short of the story is that 75,000 people were
killed when peop... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Yes, this is also my understanding of the majority of Islamic laws.
However, I believe there are also certain legal rulings which, in all
five schools of law (4 sunni and 1 jaffari), can be levelled against
muslim or non-muslims, both within and outside dar-al-islam. I do
not know if apostasy (when accompanied by acti... | 0 | alt.atheism |
: Are you saying that their was a physical Adam and Eve, and that all
: humans are direct decendents of only these two human beings.? Then who
: were Cain and Able's wives? Couldn't be their sisters, because A&E
: didn't have daughters. Were they non-humans?
Genesis 5:4
and the days of Adam after he begat Seth wer... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Issued by Khomeini it shouldn't be relevant to anyone. But issued
by an honest and learned scholar of Islam it would be relevant to
any muslim as it would be contrary to Islamic law which all muslims
are required to respect.
Anyone sufficiently well versed in Islamic law and capable of reasoning,
if you are talki... | 0 | alt.atheism |
First, I would like to thank all who sent me their opinions on the matter
at hand. All advice was taken to heart, if not directly used. My friend
found out about the matter quite accidently. After reading some of my
mail, I quit from the mail reader & went about my business. I must have
trashed my mail improperly, ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
At the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson
offers the following "paraphrase" of John 3:16:
"God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son,
to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life."
The "to die in our place" bothers me, since it inserts into the
verse a doctrine not foun... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
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Your logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we
die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that
while you are alive you enjoy yourself.
I also question your overall motives for posting this article. Why
would you waste your presious fews seconds on this earth... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Can somebody reconcile the apparent contradiction between [1] and [2]?
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Oh, that was just a bet.
| 0 | alt.atheism |
I was waiting for this. I think your question should be rephrased. The many
verses of the Bible which condem homosexuality (by our beliefs) have been
shoved down the throats of homosexuals for a long time by (well-meaning?)
Christians. The question is how do they interpret these verses. Any discussion
of any issue (th... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
[...]
Wait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US
has never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada
from the Cubans to protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion
of a strategic air strip. Panama we invaded, true (twice this century).
Vietnam? We were... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could
be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were
designated and were given power. Remember that there were many
thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them
apostles, though. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
the classic references in this area are Jacques Ellul for a
liberal/evangelical perspective and Os Guiness for a straight
evangelical view. If you want to look at non-christian sources
try Alvin Toffler as the perennial optimist. His views while
blatently non christian explore where technology may be going.
This i... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
i did a workshop on this for an episcopalian student gathering a
couple months ago because i wanted to know the answer too. as far as
i could tell, although that story was never specifically _told_ in the
bible, many references are made to it, primarily in the new testament.
in the old testament there is actually an ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
...
I think this is a big leap sex->depression. One example is myself,
where no sex->depression :) But, seriously 1) promiscuity is on a decline,
depression is not and 2) it might be more reasonable to say
depression->promiscuity. I think depression is more likely to come
from emotional problems (relationships, ... | 0 | alt.atheism |
I apologize if this article is slightly confusing, and late. The origonal
draft didn't make it through the moderators quote-screens. So I did
violence to it, but if you remember the article I am responding
to it should still make sence.
What, no hello for heathan netters?
I feel all left out now. :(
[deletia- table... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
To what follows, our moderator has already answered the charge of
arrogance more ably that I could have done so, so I will confine
myself to answering the charge of illogic.
This is how everyone in the western intellectual tradition is, or was,
taught to think. It is the fundamental premis "A is not not-A". If a t... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Why do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a
physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?
The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person
cannot.
I acknowledge, as a Christian, that I am blind. I see,
but I see illusions as well as reality. (Watched TV lately?)
I ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part
about the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that
the important part of what the original poster said was the bit
about killing Palestinians. In retrospect, I can see how the
sightseeing thing would be offensive to many. I originally saw
... | 0 | alt.atheism |
--> Note:
Reply to a message in soc.religion.christian.
EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL wrote in a message to All:
Hi, You might want to read Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur. In it
he discussed exactly this queation, amongst others. In my own words,
VERY simplified, his position is basically that one must decide, what... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a
Polish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in
public schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion
class could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in
the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are
considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and
not an entirely different source.
We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors.... | 0 | alt.atheism |
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You have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument.
And chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It
rather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system
without checking if they suit the description.
And wasn't the argument that it takes ... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Which means he has absolutely no idea about what the Assumption is.
However greatly we extoll Mary, it is quite obvious that she is in no
way God or even part of God or equal to God. The Assumption of our
Blessed Mother, meant that because of her close identification with the
redemptive work of Christ, she was Assu... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I haven't followed whatever discussion there may have been on these
people, but I feel that C. S. Lewis is an excellent apologist and I
see no reason for embarrassment. If you think that errors and flawed
arguments are a reason for dismissing a thinker, you must dismiss
nearly every thinker from Descartes to Kant; an... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Hello src readers,
Again the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox
Churches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion
about it a while ago.
Then OFM comments :
With my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration
is needed. This is an excerpt from an article... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Maddi Hausmann chirps:
That's nice.
You forgot the third equality...whirrr...click...whirrr...see below...
= Maddi "The Mad Sound-O-Geek" Hausmann
...whirrr...click...whirrr
--
Bake Timmons, III | 0 | alt.atheism |
I agree totally with you! Amen! You stated it better and in less world
than I did. | 0 | alt.atheism |
No, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can discuss
the subjective merits of religion objectively. This should be obvious.
People here have said that everyone would be better off without religion,
but this almost certainly isn't true.
But, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used f... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Are any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this
July? | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
[">"= Mark, ">>"= mp]
I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your
frustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions
challenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer
includes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish
dictionary re... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Why would you say "especially Christianity"?
| 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Actually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as
God commanded him to. Lucifer was devoted to God.
Oh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything
more than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too).
I don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Michael Bushnell writes;
Which is exactly what I pointed out. (Though I was wrong about your use
of the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it
said the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque. Apparently that
has changed.) The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the
Nicene - ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases
: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the
: > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same
: > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component'
: > falls prey to Oc... | 0 | alt.atheism |
This is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is
indeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor
unfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made
mostly of carbon and water is "fair".
However, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about
... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point
out that "non-liberal education" (head in the sand) is not the same as
"abstinence education".
We had "non-liberal education" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's,
which didn't do us a lot of good. But "abstinence education" regardin... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Maybe I'm a little tired but I can't seem to follow the logic here. If
whatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest
(RC only apparently) is required.
In fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that
for a marriage to take place only two are required to ag... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior. | 0 | alt.atheism |
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All five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the
death sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent,
and aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise
I agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief.
The Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of consc... | 0 | alt.atheism |
How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who
can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline? | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Jesus was born a Jew. We have biblical accounts of
both his mother's ancestry and his father's, both tracing back
to David. It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus
was Semitic.
As an interesting aside, Jesus' being semitic makes him
neither "white" nor "black," and in some sense underscores the
point ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which
I have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one
of which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week's
_America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles
Bo... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Of course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_
by Douglas Jacoby.
Joe Fisher | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
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First of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing
people. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on
whom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19). However, if he enjoyed
punishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus
t... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Well said, Michael!
The Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual
Works of Mercy:
admonish the sinner
instruct the ignorant
counsel the doubtful
comfort the sorrowful
bear wrongs patiently
forgive all injury
pray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy
... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your
premises are wrong from the word "Go". You claim that Christianity is
based on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the
current thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence
that Jesus was real and that he triumphed... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
My, this distinction seems quite arbitrary.
Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered.
(Ps. 32:1).
and quoted by the apostle Paul:
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God
imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniq... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
That's the entire point!
Yes!
Natural morality is a morality that developed naturally.
Huh? | 0 | alt.atheism |
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Constructing a Logical Argument
Although there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument
found is poor. This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to
logic, in the... | 0 | alt.atheism |
:
: >> Please enlighten me. How is omnipotence contradictory?
:
: >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules
: >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed
: >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts
: >the rules of... | 0 | alt.atheism |
And you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as
someone who can do no wrong, and you've _defined_ people who do wrong as
atheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and,
as such, has no value. | 0 | alt.atheism |
[Dan's article deleted]
I found the same add in our local Sunday newspaper.
The add was placed in the ..... cartoon section!
The perfect place for it ! :-) | 0 | alt.atheism |
Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of
Moody Bible Institute:
There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on
exactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.
The arrogance being attacked is that we "think we are the only ones who know
what the absolutes are... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Note that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire. The Roman Empire
lasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople. The
main reason for it's fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by
the men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been
excommunicated down to the last man... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
One of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is
their belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being
brought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God
the Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father
usually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalance... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow
the argument.
My point is that "if life has meaning or importance then we should try
to find that meaning or importance" which is almost a tautology. (I hope
I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is "Creator",
though that i... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences,
and that "rules" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a
*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is
taking things much too far. If we got some kind of mouth disease
for lying, would any of us have mouths left? What if... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the
"innovations" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return
to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans.
I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in
the Catholic Church and I found it ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I agree, I reckon it's television and the increase in fundamentalism.. You
think its the increase in pre-marital sex... others thinks its because
psychologists have taken over the criminal justice system and let violent
criminals con them into letting them out into the streets... others think
it's the increase in des... | 0 | alt.atheism |
What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.
That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to
be immoral (in some cases). Also, I've said that morality is a remnant
of evolution. Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in
the animal kingdom.
But, t... | 0 | alt.atheism |
[snip]
Honest, it just ended like that, I swear!
Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and
rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls
people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr
"Clam" Bake Timmons = Bill "Shit Stirrer Connor"
Q.E.D.
Whirr click whirr..... | 0 | alt.atheism |
I have been looking for a book that specifically addresses
the mystery of God in the paradox. I have read some that touch
on the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read.
Is anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject.
Please e-mail me. Thanks. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Subject pretty much says it all - I'm looking for Johnny Hart's (creator
of the B.C. comic stip) mailing address.
For those of you who haven't seen them, take a look at his strips for Good
Friday and Easter Sunday. Remarkable witness!
If anyone can help me get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate it!
I've conta... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I agree with Carol here. Determining absolutes is, practically speaking, a
waste of time. And we easily forget that relative truth is, in fact relative.
For example, I recently was asking some children the question "What temperature
does water boil at?" I got the answer 212 degrees consistently. I asked
if they k... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
The existence of repeated earth lives and destiny (karma) does not
mean that everything that happens is predetermined by past deeds.
There is an oriental view of it that tends in that direction, but I
did not subscribe to that view. God may choose one individual over
another as the fit instrument for his plans, but t... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Greetings and Salutations!
I would like to get in touch with people who
(a) consider themselves Christians (you define it), and
(b) are in the Martial Arts
Some topics for discussion:
- your particular martial art
- your view of the relationship between
Christianity and your art
- your view of the relationship b... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should
be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for
leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be
told the "did a _bad_ thing."
Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible.
I suspect that it's pretty... | 0 | alt.atheism |
: In article <11838@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert
: > Someone spank me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lord, Liar, or Lunatic
: > originate with C.S. Lewis? Who's this Campollo fellow anyway?
: I do think so, and isn't there a clear connection with the "I do
: believe, because it is absurd" notion by... | 0 | alt.atheism |
.
.
.
Why do you assume that Jesus's plea to His Father "to let this cup
pass from Him", was merely a plea to escape death? When I look at
Jesus in the garden, I see a Man-God, who all His life had had the
presense of His Father with Him. As a result, He knew every
detail about His death long before the Agony in... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Well, I've said that when an innocent person has been executed, this is
objectively a murder. However, who is at blame is another question.
It seems that the entire society that sanctions any sorts of executions--
realizing the risks--is to blame.
Yes, but there is also a probablity that you will kill someone doin... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Just finished reading Burton Mack's new book, _The Lost Gospel, Q and Christian
Origins_. I thought it was totally cool. Anyone else read it and want to
talk? | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
This is becoming a tiresome statement. Coming from you it is
a definition, not an assertion:
Islam is good. Belief in Islam is good. Therefore, being a
believer in Islam can produce only good...because Islam is
good. Blah blah blah.
That's about as circular as it gets, and equally meaningless. To
say... | 0 | alt.atheism |
I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the
flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves
moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is
not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that
we hide our true feelings, it is ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I assume that you are talking about the appeals processes, etc.?
Well, it should be noted that people who are imprisoned for life
will also tend to appeal (though not quite as much in the "final
hours."
Anyway, economics is not a very good reason to either favor or oppose
the punishment. | 0 | alt.atheism |
Considerably better than I feel about, say, the Punic Wars, or the
Peloponnesian War (spelling optional), or almost any other event in
classical history. How close to the events do you think the oldest
extent manuscripts are in those cases?
| 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I differ with our moderator on this. I thought the whole idea of God coming
down to earth to live as one of us "subject to sin and death" (as one of
the consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was
that Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb. If sin is not part of the
basic definition of huma... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,
then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does
the authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself
authoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find
authority for my belief in the l... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
AH! But what, exactly, is "inherently abhorrent" and WHY is it so?
What you're saying is, in effect, "I think some things are repulsive,
and I know a whole bunch of other people who agree with me, so they
should be deemed absolutely immoral now and forever, period".
Which in and of itself is nice enough;... | 0 | alt.atheism |
>[I'm sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this.]
I'll start with a parable.
A Christian woman hires a carpenter to build her a birdhouse. When he comes
over, they begin talking about religion. "So you believe that you understand
God?" he asks. "Yes, I do," she replies. "Then have hi... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I have found that this isn't a very effective argument. Most atheists are
perfectly willing to acknowledge the existence and ministry of Jesus--but are
quite capable of rationalizing the miracles and the resurrection into
misunderstandings, hoaxes, or simple fabrications. They can always make an
analogy with the... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager.
If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely
wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we
don't search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives.
Suppose the univer... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has
Tony Campello read? Not much it seems.
It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about.
If only those christian "scientists" would take note.
(In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian
scientists w... | 0 | alt.atheism |
According to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking "in X's
name" is a standard Aramaic/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today
would call Power of Attorney. A person from Jesus' culture authorized
to conduct business "in John's name" had full authority over John's
financial affairs, but was held under a solemn fi... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
If you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it?
Well, make up your mind. Is it to be "instinctive not to murder"
or not?
It's not even correct. Animals of the same species do kill
one another.
Sigh. I wonder how many times we have been round this loop.
I think that instinctive bahaviou... | 0 | alt.atheism |
You assume this because you believe in a designing creator,
and you observe our ability to procreate...
.... But then you observe our ability to modify fertility
through intelligence & experiment, and draw no similar conclusions
about God designing us for scientific inquiry & the use of the
technology that it produc... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Oh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason.
Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase
Sartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It
is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing.
... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to
neighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA)
I found that there were few states in the provences that stood
out in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to
name the most obvious three. However, both Minnesota and Wisconsi... | 0 | alt.atheism |
Responding to the moderator:
Yes, I agree. What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith
(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced
of the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal
revelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those
beliefs with... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Science is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed
interpretations of our observations (perceptions).
Values can also refer to meaning. For example in computer science the
value of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE. Science is based on commonly agreed
values (interpretation of observations), althou... | 0 | alt.atheism |
The quotation marks should enclose "laws," not "must."
If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,
etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society
into chaos. | 0 | alt.atheism |
[...]
Note that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the
nuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex. I specifically
said that it was "a prime cause" of this, not "the prime cause" or "the
only cause" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors
too, but I think that extra-... | 0 | alt.atheism |
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Dear Will,
I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.
I had a few thoughts!:
"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17
Faith is both belief and action.
If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a
swimmer? and will peopl... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin.
(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)
This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should
never be satisfied. It does not imply that
having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.
It does imply that I ... | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
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20newsgroups Demo
This 20 newgroups dataset is a filtered version containing only the "atheism.alt" and "soc.religion.christian". It is based on the SetFit/20_newsgroups dataset. This dataset is used for our workshops at the AI Maker Community, a project sponsored by the Federal Ministry of Education and Research in Germany.
Original Dataset
This is a version of the 20 newsgroups dataset that is provided in Scikit-learn. From the Scikit-learn docs:
The 20 newsgroups dataset comprises around 18000 newsgroups posts on 20 topics split in two subsets: one for training (or development) and the other one for testing (or for performance evaluation). The split between the train and test set is based upon a messages posted before and after a specific date.
We followed the recommended practice to remove headers, signature blocks, and quotations from each news article.
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