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A | Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Rick Rubin. Rick Rubin is a world renowned music producer, having worked with an enormous ... |
B | Thank you, sir. Happy to be here. |
A | We're going to answer, or rather you are going to answer the questions of the listeners of our previous podcast episode. Before we do that, however, when we were out in the lobby, you mentioned that you have a breathing exercise, a coherence breathing exercise that you thought might be useful for us to do now and perha... |
B | Yeah, let's do it. And then if you want to talk about it after, we can. |
A | Sounds good. |
B | The reason I started doing this is I have relatively low heart rate variability and you want to have a higher one. So I looked at all the things that can raise your heart rate variability. And I started doing this breathing technique specifically for heart rate variability. Then it went up. |
A | Awesome. So it's great. |
B | Test it. |
A | Great. |
B | Let's do it together here. It'll say take a deep breath. And then when you'll hear the sound of a. If you follow me for the first inhale and exhale, you'll know what sound means. What. |
A | And you do this eyes closed. |
B | Typically I do it eyes closed. |
A | Okay, we'll close our eyes. |
B | Thank you. That was five minutes. |
A | I like that. |
B | Feels nice, isn't it? |
A | Yeah. I notice I don't spontaneously breathe at that cadence. I breathe quite a bit faster, so especially on the exhale. So once I got into a rhythm of it, yeah. The mind just goes pseudo random for me. What about for you? Does your mind tend to go one place? |
B | I do now I count. So the reason I knew it was five minutes is because it's six breaths per minute. And I counted 5112, 131-415-1621 so I was occupied with a task. |
A | How often do you do that? |
B | At least once and sometimes twice a day. I aim for ten minutes a day. But if I get to 20 minutes a day, it's noticeable in my heart rate variability results. |
A | Do you do the coherence breathing at particular times of day or just whenever it occurs to you? |
B | I think it depends on where I am and what else is going on in my life. There was, I had a window of a very specific thing that I was doing. I would do coherent breathing and I would do squats, just air squats. And in one location where I didn't have any other equipment. And then I found a way, like where I was doing tr... |
A | Great. We should probably mention what the treading water was about, because people will wonder very briefly. I went and visited Rick overseas this summer, and we spent a fair amount of the daytime treading water while listening to podcasts from a speaker on the side of the pool. And it was awesome. Time together as fr... |
B | It's just as I said when we were doing it. It's like doing stairs. If you practice doing stairs, it gets easier to do stairs, but nobody's good at doing marathon runners can't run up the stairs. You know, it's a particular thing. And treading water, if you just do it even in the little bit of time that we were doing it... |
A | Definitely. |
B | Yeah. You acclimate quickly. |
A | Yeah. I was able to adapt. I was impressed at your endurance in treading water early on. By the way, I've continued the treading water practice because I'm fortunate to have a pool in my new place. I listen to your podcast. Truly. |
B | Wow. |
A | Tetragrammaton. Love it. Love, love, love it. I listened to a few other podcasts, and I've started listening to more episodes of the podcast that you introduced me. |
B | To, which was history of rock music and 500 songs. |
A | Andrew Hickey. |
B | It's an english podcast. Great podcast. Real in depth information about music. |
A | Yeah, that was such a great trip. Thanks for having me over there. |
B | Thanks for coming. It was fun. Treading water. |
A | It was loved the time with you and your family. So I'll invite myself again. |
B | You're always welcome. |
A | On the topic of meditation, one of the questions in this list of questions we'll talk about the list itself in a moment, was about this anecdote that you've told me, and you've mentioned a few other places, apparently, that you've once meditated all the way from was it San Francisco to New York or Los Angeles to New Yo... |
B | It was either LA to New York or New York to LA. I can't remember, and I may have done it more than once. |
A | The question specifically was, which meditation did you do? |
B | Tm. TM was the first meditation I learned. Transcendental meditation learned when I was 14. It's pretty much a default setting for me now. Sometimes it'll evolve from TM into breathing. Like, I might start by doing breathing before the tm piece starts. The breathing may just take the whole time, or it may turn from bre... |
A | So that's the meta. |
B | Meta. M e t t, a loving kindness practice. |
A | And are there any particular links? Maybe you could pass us later and we could put in the captions, maybe one that you've used. |
B | I learned it from Jack Kornfield, who's a buddhist scholar and a brilliant teacher. |
A | Terrific. What do you think meditation has allowed you afforded you, as well as what it's helped you avoid in terms of a daily practice or maybe in just how doing it once in a while has wicked out into areas of your life? This is probably a long list of things, but if you were to pick maybe, like, the top three, where ... |
B | I've been doing it for such a long time, it's so part and parcel of who I am that without. I don't know who I would be without it. That said, I don't always do it, but I don't have. At this point, I don't have to always do it to be in this zone where I've been, you know, for almost, you know, 45 years, it's been a big ... |
A | Real world in some ways. Not to trivialize it, but it's like physical exercise. During a good workout, your blood pressure is really elevated. You're secreting all sorts of inflammatory cytokines. If we were to draw your blood mid workout, you'd say, this person is in trouble. But then all these wonderful adaptations o... |
B | It's funny about sleeping better. This morning, I was walking on the beach and had my headphones on, wired headphones, and I was listening to a podcast. I can't remember what I was listening to, but I was listening to a podcast, and someone flagged me and interrupted me, who I didn't know. And I went over to talk to hi... |
A | Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, we could go down a deep rabbit hole with this, but listeners of this podcast will know that I'm very much a proponent of getting those sunlight signals to the eyes at least once a day, in the morning, but also in the evening. I'll just share with you now. I learned from a guest whose epi... |
B | There are ones with air tubes that I use depending on what's going on, and those have no electrical. There's no electric near your head. It's just an air tube where the sound is traveling. This actual sound is traveling in the tubes to your ears. |
A | I definitely sleep better with the phone out of the bedroom. Some people are now turning off their wifi at night. I think you and I are both really aligned in the sense that we've seen enough things come and go in the health space, like disparaging remarks about lifting weights, like, that's just for bodybuilders. And ... |
B | You become muscle bound. |
A | Now, men and women, elderly and young, are encouraged to do resistance training. Yoga used to be cast in this kind of magic carpet realm, breath work. All this stuff has become, over time, mainstream. But it's taken a very long time, and the road has been choppy and sometimes, in my opinion, really unfair to the practi... |
B | I try to live in as natural way as possible. I try to eat as few processed foods as possible, try to eat grass fed animals, and I use hardly any products of any kind that aren't just something that grows or lives on the planet. |
A | There were a couple questions about this, so I'll ask now. You lost a tremendous amount of weight. You look great, by the way. |
B | Thank you. |
A | You look super fit. Every time I see you, you're in better and better shape, and that's your perception. |
B | It's not in fact the case. |
A | I'll accept it. I don't know. When I see you each time, you're extremely mobile, you're sleeping well, you have a robust life, all the marks of health and vitality. So I've heard you mention before that you lost a significant amount of weight. How much weight and how did you do it? |
B | 135 pounds through a high protein, low calorie, low carb diet. |
A | And that went against the convention at the time. |
B | Well, the person who suggested it was someone at UCLA, so it was a mainstream doctor who helped me with my weight loss. I had been a vegan at that time, which was not mainstream then, and it was very unhealthy. But I did that for 20 some odd years because I believed in the theory of it, but it proved not to be healthy ... |
A | Do you think that different diets likely work for different people? |
B | Yes. |
A | So that not everyone necessarily should do what you did? |
B | No, no. But I think most people would probably benefit from healthy red meat. I'm saying that only because it's so vilified in our culture. |
A | Yeah, I agree, and I think the healthy piece is key there too. Non factory farmed animals, which fortunately, reasonably cost sources of that are becoming more available. Well, I'm going to start pulling from the list of questions. By the way, folks, there were more than 1000 questions in just the one third printout th... |
B | It's an intimidating stack in front of you. |
A | It's the most notes I've ever put in front of me during a guest discussion here on the podcast. And we are not going to ask you every question, but I've organized them in some sense of a coherent order. |
B | Did you organize them or did AI organize them? |
A | I organize them, but that's a great opportunity to ask you one of the questions that came up several times, which was, what are your thoughts on AI and its ability to shape? How music is made, how visual arts are made? Are you one of these scared of AI, or do you embrace new technology? |
B | I don't know enough about it yet to talk about it. What I will say is what I find interesting about art is the point of view of the person making it, and I don't know that AI has a point of view of its own, and I don't know how interesting it would be AI's point of view. But I like people's points of view. And what mak... |
A | The question for Rick Rubin was what activities did you find most enjoyable and easy to get lost in as a child? I love this question for you in particular. |
B | Reading was a big part of my life. Listening to music was a big part of my life. Playing guitar along with music can't really play. But the idea of playing along. So it didn't have to actually be good enough to play along because I didn't have that skill set. But I liked the experience of doing my best to play along wi... |
A | Do you still do magic? |
B | I don't. |
A | Okay. |
B | At the time that music took over my life, I had to choose between the two. Cause both of them were full time life pursuits. |
A | I went and saw a mentalist in New York this summer with my sister Asi. Wind is his name. A s I first name, last name Wind. Every time I see a mentalist, especially when I see Aussie, I've seen him twice. It blows my mind. What are your thoughts on mentalists as? |
B | It's my favorite form of magic. |
A | Really. |
B | It's the most interesting because it doesn't rely on props. It's pure. It feels like pure magic. If you have a box and you pull something out of the box, there's probably something tricky about the box. But when someone can look at you and tell you what you're thinking, it's just wild. It's really wild. |
A | So I love that after ASi did his act, when we pseudo return to reality. Cause it really does change the way you look at things after that for quite a while, maybe forever. I asked him if he was willing to share maybe just one nugget of insight into how he does what he does. And of course I wasn't expecting he was going... |
B | Really interesting. Yeah. |
A | That maybe it's possible to erase memories of like maybe what we thought we saw we really didn't see or hear. |
B | Wow. |
A | So I dig that description. Yeah. I'm gonna bring him out here by the way, so we should all get together. Yeah, I would love to I wanna get him on the podcast. Okay. A full 10% of the questions for you were around writer's blocks, sticking points, this kind of thing, like feeling stuck in the creative process. Now, peop... |
B | The first thought is to go past the idea of the block and think about what's the cause of the block. And the block is usually something like, it's either a personal, I'm not good enough. It can be a confidence issue, I don't have anything to say, or it could be a thinking about someone else. Nobody's going to like what... |
A | That makes a lot of sense. And I had a thought while you were saying that one of the challenges that I have in completing work and getting into a good work groove is that, especially nowadays because of phones and so easy to communicate with other people, it's not that they interrupt me, it's that. And this happened th... |
B | That's a crazy thought. |
A | But that's the anxiety. And I only realize that now. |
B | Yeah. |
A | So, thank you. |
B | Great. |
A | I trust that you guys will be there when I exit the tunnel. And when there's a deadline, I have no choice but to jump into that tunnel. That's actually what helps. Deadlines really help me do deadlines help you? Do you like deadlines? |
B | Deadlines don't help me at the beginning of a process. They can help at the end. Once the code's been cracked. Usually when I start something, I have no idea what it's gonna be. So it's a very open process in the beginning, and if there was any sense of required timing that would undermine the freedom needed for it to ... |
A | I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge one of our sponsors, athletic greens. Athletic greens, now called ag one, is a vitamin mineral probiotic drink that covers all of your foundational nutritional needs. I've been taking athletic greens since 2012, so I'm delighted that they're sponsoring the podcast. The rea... |
B | Yes, that is true. Yes and no. Yes, I am comfortable with it because I accept that's the way things are. That said, when I start a new project, I always have anxiety because I'm uncertain of what's going to happen and I want it to be good. Now, I know it won't be done until I feel good about it. So in that way, there i... |
A | You know, when you've worked with musical artists, let's say, how important is it to you to know what challenges, maybe even what successes, but certainly what challenges they happen to be going through at that period of time? Put differently, do you end finding yourself playing therapist and guide and psychological, e... |
B | If they're going through something that's interfering with the work, anything that gets in the way of the work is something worth discussing. Our focus there together is to get the work done. Sometimes it ends up being more therapeutic to allow that to happen. |
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