[0.00 --> 2.42]  You probably didn't see the teaser for the stream today.
[3.16 --> 4.62]  It's actually a lady badger.
[5.04 --> 8.34]  It's hard to tell, but it's a lady badger.
[8.56 --> 9.72]  It's a lady badger.
[9.78 --> 11.52]  It looks like a medieval lady badger.
[11.84 --> 15.32]  Yeah, I think so, but she's still a big self-hosted fan.
[15.70 --> 16.54]  Or is she Renaissance?
[16.78 --> 17.32]  It's hard to tell.
[17.40 --> 18.18]  Maybe we should ask her.
[18.50 --> 19.24]  She could be LARPing.
[19.32 --> 19.88]  I don't know.
[20.06 --> 20.76]  That could be a thing.
[20.84 --> 21.84]  Where did that come from?
[22.24 --> 22.96]  I made it.
[23.24 --> 23.86]  I just decided.
[24.50 --> 26.88]  I was looking for badger people, and that's what came up.
[26.88 --> 28.84]  You made it NMS Paint, did you?
[28.84 --> 29.98]  Yeah, basically.
[30.80 --> 31.92]  Paint.net.
[33.28 --> 34.10]  Well, here we are.
[34.16 --> 35.52]  It's episode 75.
[35.96 --> 37.16]  There's a lot to get to today.
[37.24 --> 41.66]  Alex is about to jump on an airplane, and our buddy Brent is inbound.
[41.96 --> 45.92]  We're sitting down in the middle of a thunderstorm over at Alex's house.
[46.54 --> 47.22]  Real life update.
[47.34 --> 53.80]  Brent is supposed to be departing Toronto literally right now as I'm talking to you as we're recording.
[53.80 --> 58.88]  And his flight inbound from Calgary landed about 10 minutes ago.
[59.76 --> 61.20]  So I don't think that's happening.
[61.44 --> 65.30]  I think Brent will be here tomorrow morning, most likely.
[65.82 --> 66.06]  Okay.
[66.24 --> 67.30]  And when do you fly out?
[67.62 --> 68.18]  Tomorrow night.
[68.52 --> 71.84]  You might be two ships passing each other in the night on the...
[71.84 --> 72.88]  Yeah, it's unfortunate.
[73.50 --> 74.44]  It is unfortunate.
[75.38 --> 76.52]  Well, we'll get into it.
[76.52 --> 83.88]  But I wanted to start today by discussing something that I don't know if we have it on record, but I know at least off record.
[84.02 --> 85.38]  You called this one, Alex.
[85.58 --> 89.38]  This week, Nebukasa announced the Works with Home Assistant program.
[89.52 --> 89.78]  They write,
[89.78 --> 98.36]  Today we're introducing the Works with Home Assistant program to allow manufacturers to show their support and commitment to Home Assistant and its community.
[98.96 --> 103.26]  And like you would expect with a program like this, Alex, they got like little badges that says,
[103.52 --> 104.64]  Works locally with Home Assistant.
[105.02 --> 106.46]  Works via the cloud with Home Assistant.
[106.74 --> 107.80]  Works with Z-Wave.
[107.90 --> 109.84]  You know, the kind of works with.
[110.32 --> 111.10]  It's an interesting program.
[111.72 --> 116.78]  I don't want to foreshadow anything about my other predictions this year, but...
[116.78 --> 118.04]  Nailed it.
[118.16 --> 119.14]  I called that one.
[119.14 --> 120.12]  Yeah, he did.
[120.32 --> 120.92]  It's nice.
[121.04 --> 122.64]  It's nice to finally get the W, bro.
[123.10 --> 124.32]  Yeah, it is nice to see this.
[124.38 --> 132.12]  In fact, it's kind of perfect because I just recently had a good reminder of how crappy the experience is right now.
[132.26 --> 138.18]  And I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't announce a hardware partner at launch,
[138.58 --> 144.46]  but they did say they're going to have their first hardware partner announced soon.
[144.90 --> 148.34]  But, you know, just recently I was kind of doing like a virtual rebuild of my Home Assistant setup.
[148.34 --> 153.74]  Like, let's say in theory, my Home Assistant Yellow or whatever it's called now shows up,
[153.74 --> 155.74]  and I rebuild my Home setup.
[155.74 --> 160.76]  And I thought maybe that'd be a good time to just move over to Zigbee.
[161.10 --> 167.14]  I know I could just stick with Z-Wave, but it seems like Zigbee and Matter will eventually be the future.
[167.14 --> 180.10]  So I started researching one-to-one replacements for my Z-Wave devices like my outdoor switches, sprinkler controllers, motion sensors, power smart plugs that also have real-time power data monitoring.
[180.10 --> 183.30]  I tried to find solid Zigbee alternatives to those.
[183.94 --> 194.36]  And getting any kind of signal out of the noise if one device over another is compatible with Home Assistant is a really bad experience.
[194.60 --> 197.26]  And at best, you're kind of just taking a stab.
[197.44 --> 202.72]  Like, you really can't order anything with absolute confidence that it'll work in Home Assistant.
[202.72 --> 205.14]  And I will say over the last couple of years, it's gotten better.
[205.60 --> 208.26]  Like, more and more stuff I just buy works with Home Assistant locally.
[208.66 --> 210.40]  But it's still almost impossible.
[210.62 --> 218.40]  And I would argue in-navigatable for a brand new user to this space presently.
[218.40 --> 224.44]  So if this takes off, this would make it massively easier because I would just filter by this on Amazon or wherever I'm shopping.
[224.86 --> 225.96]  It is a crapshoot.
[226.38 --> 226.78]  Absolutely.
[227.08 --> 233.04]  And, you know, the only way to know for sure if something's going to work is to buy it and try it.
[233.22 --> 237.88]  And even then, that's not a guarantee it's going to continue working for the longest time.
[237.94 --> 242.62]  I refer you to my comments about the Govee LED strips I bought in the last episode.
[242.62 --> 249.84]  You know, even though that was relying on a third-party API provided by Govee, it worked one day via a custom integration.
[250.24 --> 253.06]  And then Govee decided to rate limit the API.
[253.42 --> 255.90]  So even then, it's not a perfect guarantee.
[256.16 --> 259.90]  So I'm delighted to see this program come into existence.
[259.90 --> 265.50]  I think it's a signal that the project has ambition in a certain direction.
[266.26 --> 269.28]  You know, if you think about all the other made-for programs,
[269.28 --> 276.22]  I think made-for-iPhone was probably one of, if not the first kind of certification sort of like this in our industry,
[276.88 --> 282.80]  it guarantees companies some kind of interface to develop against.
[282.94 --> 285.12]  So you look at the iPhone as the perfect example, right?
[285.18 --> 288.16]  They had that 30-pin dot connector for a decade.
[288.46 --> 291.48]  Now we've had the Lightning connector for, I think, a decade.
[291.76 --> 295.76]  And we're probably due USB-C on the iPhone any day now.
[296.46 --> 297.58]  We can hope, anyway.
[297.58 --> 302.44]  And so when I look at this announcement, I think, wow, geez, okay, cool.
[302.52 --> 307.64]  So if I'm, you know, making the cheapest possible thing I can,
[307.72 --> 314.60]  and I don't want to pay any license fees or minimal license fees to get a little cute label on the box
[314.60 --> 319.14]  to put it on the shelf in Home Depot or wherever it is around the world,
[319.54 --> 322.18]  that little blue Home Assistant logo looks pretty good, right?
[322.30 --> 325.14]  I mean, if you can put the Alexa one on there and the Google one on there,
[325.14 --> 326.96]  why not slap Home Assistant on there?
[327.58 --> 330.00]  Yeah, and here's a couple of things about the program that I like.
[330.58 --> 335.18]  The program requires manufacturers to maintain the integration of their products in Home Assistant.
[335.78 --> 341.38]  They have to provide product samples and give engineering contacts for the Home Assistant team to escalate to.
[341.74 --> 342.18]  Huge.
[343.46 --> 348.34]  Manufacturers will be able to use the Works with Home Assistant badge in return on their products and documentation.
[348.34 --> 356.22]  And the terms of the Works with Home Assistant program are enforced in agreement signed by both Nebukasa and the manufacturers.
[356.36 --> 358.60]  So it's not just like they're handing these labels out.
[358.86 --> 364.00]  And so I think when I see one of these labels as a consumer, I'm going to be able to trust that it actually does work.
[364.00 --> 365.26]  And I'm not joking.
[365.26 --> 370.08]  Like, I would just filter on this and only buy these products.
[370.26 --> 375.06]  It really lives and dies in the manufacturer adoption.
[375.78 --> 380.46]  But what happens in a situation like we had, and I'm not saying it will happen soon,
[380.46 --> 388.78]  but like just happened with the Z-Wave stuff, your migration that you've been moaning about on air for ages and ages.
[390.34 --> 395.60]  What happens in 10 years time when Home Assistant needs to deprecate a certain interface, right?
[395.82 --> 398.20]  And I don't know what it is.
[398.22 --> 398.92]  I'm not even going to speculate.
[399.08 --> 406.10]  Let's say the replacement for MATA has come along and it deprecates support for all previous MATA devices for whatever reason.
[406.10 --> 411.68]  And I'm just making this up, but it had that made for Home Assistant logo on the box.
[412.24 --> 415.26]  What are the terms of this relationship?
[415.54 --> 420.64]  Is it a made for a specific year of Home Assistant releases?
[420.64 --> 422.76]  Is it made for 10 years?
[422.88 --> 425.40]  Like, what's the contract here?
[425.40 --> 426.38]  I would like to know.
[426.50 --> 430.14]  And if the Home Assistant team are listening, please tweet at me or let me know.
[430.54 --> 435.56]  Something like that, because it's important for us to know these details as nerds.
[435.56 --> 439.32]  I'm excited to hear who their first partner is, and I would love to hear more details.
[439.48 --> 441.24]  I think you're asking some good questions there.
[441.68 --> 442.96]  And maybe time will tell.
[443.90 --> 448.22]  When you said, when you called this, I want to say it was like back in December when you said something like this should come this year.
[448.68 --> 452.46]  It immediately clicked like, yes, this is exactly what they need.
[452.52 --> 454.12]  And this makes the experience so much better.
[454.12 --> 462.84]  And then you combine a program like this with something like the Home Assistant Yellow or, you know, a future iteration when the supply chain isn't all screwed up.
[462.84 --> 465.36]  A out of the box, ready to go.
[465.46 --> 466.58]  You drop it on your LAN.
[466.84 --> 469.94]  And then you just go buy the works with Home Assistant labeled devices.
[469.94 --> 473.70]  And everything's just out of the box, good to go.
[474.56 --> 481.70]  From Home Assistant, from Nebu Casa, you know, it's a huge potential revenue stream that I don't know if they're interested in.
[481.82 --> 488.44]  I think they should be if they want to help keep the business growing and, you know, make it a better overall product.
[488.44 --> 504.16]  I think we've seen over the years in this technological space that the only real way to have a cohesive user experience, and I'm talking like Apple level of integration here, is not convergence.
[504.16 --> 512.12]  And we saw that with the Ubuntu phone years ago and, you know, everything they did with the Unity desktop back in that era.
[512.12 --> 518.38]  The only way to have a cohesive user experience is to control everything, unfortunately.
[518.90 --> 520.36]  It's true, I think.
[521.04 --> 529.38]  And that means from all the way up from the Home Assistant Yellow all the way up to the light bulb I screw into my light fixture and everything in between.
[529.90 --> 540.42]  If they can offer a cohesive suite of hardware and software and have it all guaranteed to work together, no matter what, you know, air quotes, whatever that means.
[540.42 --> 550.90]  Then Home Assistant starts to become a viable recommend for people like me to slightly less technical members of my family.
[551.14 --> 551.98]  Yeah, yeah.
[552.22 --> 558.22]  Because right now, you know, it's the bastion of people that like to tinker.
[558.34 --> 563.38]  As much as Home Assistant has improved extra UI elements and wizards and blah, blah, blah.
[563.54 --> 567.00]  I mean, I rarely drop to the YAML these days, like I used to.
[567.00 --> 568.86]  But it's not perfect.
[569.06 --> 576.40]  And if something goes wrong within 10 minutes, it's still in the domain where you need to set it up for your non-technical friends and family.
[576.62 --> 579.48]  You could bring them a box and give it to them and show them the web UI.
[579.58 --> 580.78]  But you've already set up the dashboard.
[581.00 --> 582.32]  You've already integrated all the devices.
[582.52 --> 583.98]  You've already done all the network provisioning.
[584.14 --> 585.58]  You've managed all of that.
[585.64 --> 589.26]  And this helps transition it into a different phase.
[589.26 --> 597.70]  And just my last thoughts on this, and I hope this is a benefit that we continue to see just as Home Assistant as a community grows.
[597.88 --> 605.72]  But it means we have someone out there advocating for local API and local controls.
[605.72 --> 612.94]  But to that point, and this is raised in the Discord as we record, it's a bit of a slippery slope.
[613.98 --> 626.66]  And I am worried that works with Home Assistant, if you give it enough time, becomes doesn't work with other open standard.
[627.18 --> 627.56]  Maybe.
[627.78 --> 629.58]  I guess it depends on how the standard works.
[629.76 --> 633.80]  Because everything about Home Assistant would probably be open source in this regard, right?
[633.86 --> 634.38]  I mean, we'll see.
[634.38 --> 636.02]  I'm not saying they're going to pull an MB.
[636.96 --> 638.48]  But who knows, you know?
[638.70 --> 642.44]  And the other thing is, what about the testing that's done?
[642.92 --> 647.62]  Are they, as an open source project, going to publish all the testing of their hardware vendors?
[647.78 --> 651.30]  I can't imagine many hardware vendors wanting to sign up to that.
[651.48 --> 655.34]  But as an open source project, do they not have a duty to do that?
[655.40 --> 655.72]  I don't know.
[655.74 --> 656.60]  I'm just asking the question.
[657.10 --> 661.60]  Questions that we will probably get answers to over time, but may not like them all.
[661.60 --> 665.76]  We got a message into the show via the Jupiter Broadcasting Telegram group.
[666.08 --> 667.28]  And it was just a simple question.
[667.34 --> 669.54]  Hey, do you guys use a self-hosted to-do app?
[670.18 --> 674.78]  And it's funny because this is exactly something I've been looking to host in my RV right now.
[674.84 --> 677.84]  Something I could really focus just on road trips and stuff like that.
[677.84 --> 682.76]  And I came across, I'm going to attempt to say it's Vikunja.
[683.16 --> 686.60]  V-I-K-U-N-J-A.
[686.76 --> 690.94]  It's a self-hostable, really good-looking to-do app.
[691.18 --> 697.66]  And it has a little bit of everything that I like from inboxes for different tasks.
[697.66 --> 707.04]  It has namespace and user sharing so you can collect different projects together and then share them with somebody like, you know, a spouse or a family member or a friend.
[707.26 --> 708.96]  It has team support.
[709.54 --> 714.80]  And, of course, it also offers a hosted version, which you could just pay for if you'd like.
[715.02 --> 717.86]  They include a how to use it in Docker guide.
[717.86 --> 720.68]  So that's probably the route I would take if I were to deploy this.
[720.98 --> 721.56]  I haven't yet.
[722.46 --> 727.92]  But I'd love to get any feedback from anyone out there in the audience that's either used this or another self-hosted to-do app.
[728.36 --> 730.22]  This, to me, seems like the one to beat.
[730.60 --> 734.60]  You can find it at V-I-K-U-N-J-A dot cloud.
[735.40 --> 737.54]  And, yep, it's got Kanban boards, Alex.
[737.58 --> 738.80]  I know how you like your Kanban.
[739.30 --> 739.54]  Me?
[739.94 --> 744.66]  Oh, it just gives me the heebie-jeebies of, like, Trello and Jira.
[745.10 --> 746.14]  Yep, yep, yep.
[746.14 --> 750.54]  So did you ever really stop and think about self-hosting your to-do stuff?
[750.74 --> 751.84]  I've got to be honest with you.
[751.88 --> 756.38]  I think I just fell into using apps on my phone, which are connected to proprietary services.
[756.92 --> 763.76]  I thought about it quite a lot, actually, when I was deep into my sort of Emacs kick, which lasted about three or four months.
[764.14 --> 774.02]  And I was doing all the org Rome stuff, which came out of Rome Research, line of thinking, the, what's it called, second brain, linking your thinking type stuff.
[774.02 --> 781.64]  I was sort of going down this whole productivity rabbit hole and realized I was spending way longer trying to be productive than actually being productive.
[781.64 --> 788.40]  So I looked at a few things built into Emacs, org mode primarily being the one I looked at.
[789.42 --> 800.30]  But mobile experience, the mobile experience matters a lot because that's where, you know, 90% of my random thoughts occur to me is, oh, I need to remember to change the filters on the AC unit.
[800.30 --> 805.40]  Or, I don't know, remember to pick up this from the shop on the way home or something like that.
[806.12 --> 812.30]  And I ended up falling into the camp of just using Todoist, which is not a self-hosted app, unfortunately.
[812.68 --> 814.42]  But for me, it's worked very, very well.
[815.10 --> 818.72]  It's got some integrations with Gmail, which I use all the time at work.
[818.80 --> 825.14]  So there's a bunch of stuff I have to do in my day job where I need to remember certain case numbers and add comments and all that kind of stuff.
[825.14 --> 833.40]  And I can just click a button in Gmail and it adds it straight into Todoist and I can, you know, keyboard shortcuts and natural text input and all that kind of stuff.
[834.00 --> 837.94]  That's not really what you wanted to hear, but I really like Todoist.
[838.56 --> 842.80]  I understand Todoist and its many integrations and its API are really, really handy.
[843.26 --> 845.20]  And I think that's the hosted service to beat.
[845.94 --> 854.66]  Fikinja or however you say it, what I was really impressed by is they maintain a really clean user interface where you could just bang out tasks super quick.
[855.14 --> 860.18]  But they also let you really dig in and set all kinds of different bits of detail.
[860.44 --> 861.40]  You can add relation.
[861.66 --> 862.58]  You can add attachments.
[863.12 --> 864.50]  You can do progress tasks.
[864.56 --> 866.20]  You can just do percentage updates.
[866.56 --> 869.44]  You can have repeating intervals, priorities, labels.
[869.72 --> 874.90]  You can subscribe to certain tasks, even if you're not the user, if you just want to get updates on it.
[874.90 --> 879.08]  I mean, it's got like all the power features I love.
[879.66 --> 882.96]  I think it's going to come down to what it's like to maintain and run it.
[882.96 --> 889.58]  So I'm tempted to give it a go, but I'll wait a week or two and get like input from the audience to hear what they're using for self-hosted to do apps.
[890.48 --> 892.24]  Or maybe I should just not give it a go.
[892.34 --> 894.06]  Maybe you've got experience out there that says otherwise.
[894.50 --> 897.16]  And I should just give in like Alex and use Todoist.
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[1014.00 --> 1016.08]  We've got a live Brent update for you.
[1016.18 --> 1020.92]  His departure flight from Toronto is delayed by 10 minutes.
[1021.14 --> 1027.14]  So I don't know if he's off his original plane yet or through customs or anything.
[1027.34 --> 1028.98]  But it's seat of the pants stuff, I think.
[1029.52 --> 1034.08]  It's going to be a full on running down the airport kind of movie style moment for Brent,
[1034.16 --> 1034.46]  I think.
[1034.54 --> 1034.82]  Yeah.
[1035.20 --> 1035.44]  Yeah.
[1035.50 --> 1035.94]  Poor guy.
[1036.44 --> 1038.78]  Hopefully things go smoother for you and the family.
[1039.20 --> 1039.98]  Hopefully so.
[1040.08 --> 1040.30]  Yes.
[1040.30 --> 1042.14]  It's just a direct flight for us tomorrow.
[1042.34 --> 1043.48]  Raleigh to London Heathrow.
[1043.48 --> 1046.98]  Hopefully the baggage handlers are on point tomorrow.
[1047.14 --> 1050.16]  I did buy a couple of extra air tags to throw into my suitcases.
[1050.58 --> 1050.94]  Atta boy.
[1051.04 --> 1051.72]  That's so fun.
[1051.82 --> 1055.96]  The last time I traveled, I did that and we checked baggage and then you just watch.
[1056.46 --> 1059.86]  And then as soon as it starts to get close and it detects it again, you know, your bag's
[1059.86 --> 1060.44]  almost there.
[1060.54 --> 1062.24]  And then, you know, you can tell when it comes down the chute.
[1062.34 --> 1065.00]  It was luxury checking.
[1065.64 --> 1068.18]  I am actually, I hadn't thought about the baggage reclaim part.
[1068.18 --> 1070.40]  I'm actually genuinely excited for that now.
[1070.90 --> 1071.06]  Yeah.
[1071.16 --> 1071.60]  It's great.
[1072.72 --> 1077.52]  You know, I was going through the inbox and a lot of people have caught that you're going
[1077.52 --> 1080.00]  to London, obviously, because we have the meetup coming up and all of that.
[1080.12 --> 1085.08]  And we clearly got people to want updates on your remote backup setup you have across
[1085.08 --> 1085.50]  the pond.
[1085.50 --> 1089.20]  Well, it's all changed fairly soon anyway.
[1090.04 --> 1093.50]  I think largely speaking, the fundamental stuff is going to stay the same.
[1094.04 --> 1100.20]  But when I emigrated three or four years ago, I left my old server in England, along with
[1100.20 --> 1101.20]  all the data that was on it.
[1101.22 --> 1106.22]  And I just left it there because I arrived in this country, you know, as a prospector with
[1106.22 --> 1108.48]  nothing but a suitcase and a rucksack, don't you know?
[1109.10 --> 1110.30]  Oh my God, Alex.
[1110.92 --> 1111.92]  It's true, though.
[1112.32 --> 1113.34]  It literally is true.
[1113.34 --> 1118.02]  And the container that had all of my actual stuff in it took like three or four months
[1118.02 --> 1119.00]  to come across the ocean.
[1119.34 --> 1125.20]  And now here you are in an American house in the suburbs with big thunderstorms.
[1125.24 --> 1126.46]  Full of crap.
[1126.78 --> 1127.96]  Yeah, full of crap.
[1129.02 --> 1129.94]  Lots of toys.
[1130.16 --> 1131.02]  Yeah, you're doing it right.
[1131.14 --> 1136.56]  You know, the general idea was to use that server in England as my primary endpoint for
[1136.56 --> 1139.66]  when I needed to come out at a residential IP address for iPlayer.
[1139.66 --> 1144.60]  But also there was about 20 or 30 terabytes worth of hard drives in that system, which
[1144.60 --> 1147.20]  I pulled together using ZFS.
[1147.76 --> 1151.80]  I used to do ZFS mirrors, but I ran out of space.
[1151.88 --> 1154.86]  And so I ended up turning it into like a Z2 array, I think.
[1155.12 --> 1156.38]  I can't remember the specifics.
[1156.88 --> 1161.72]  A Z2 array of like five or six different three or four terabyte hard drives.
[1161.80 --> 1162.52]  Maybe they're eights.
[1162.74 --> 1163.92]  It doesn't really matter.
[1163.92 --> 1170.52]  So the idea there is that over WireGarden, bear in mind this predates tail scale by what,
[1170.62 --> 1171.34]  three or four years.
[1171.48 --> 1180.00]  I had to rely on OpenVPN originally to get an SSH to get into the box in England via OpenSense.
[1180.20 --> 1183.72]  I had a site to site VPN between the two so that all the traffic was encrypted and then
[1183.72 --> 1187.30]  encrypted within that tunnel as well over SSH and ZFS send.
[1187.30 --> 1192.60]  I used Jim Salter's Syncoid and Sanoid to do all my snapshots on ZFS.
[1193.06 --> 1196.64]  And then Syncoid is what's used to manage those snapshots and sync them to the remote
[1196.64 --> 1197.10]  endpoint.
[1198.14 --> 1202.28]  But last year, when I went back to England, I did a motherboard upgrade on that server.
[1202.38 --> 1205.46]  And there's a blog post, which I'll link to in the show notes about the motherboard
[1205.46 --> 1206.00]  I'm using.
[1206.40 --> 1211.36]  However, shortly after I left England, my father informed me that they were selling the childhood
[1211.36 --> 1212.58]  home and moving.
[1212.58 --> 1218.10]  And where they were moving to, which if you've listened to the show, you'll know, didn't really
[1218.10 --> 1219.96]  have the best of internet connections.
[1220.72 --> 1222.92]  It's up in the northeast of England.
[1223.22 --> 1231.48]  And the internet there was, I think I'm generous in saying two megabytes down and 0.5 megabytes
[1231.48 --> 1231.88]  up.
[1232.38 --> 1233.06]  Oh, it's miserable.
[1233.52 --> 1233.80]  Yeah.
[1234.46 --> 1240.56]  So they have got Starlink and it's a lot better now for stuff like tablets and phones and
[1240.56 --> 1243.60]  iPlayer and whatever else they do for normal people.
[1244.08 --> 1245.30]  Yeah, it's way better for that kind of stuff.
[1245.44 --> 1251.18]  But in terms of running a server, it's not, you know, I'm not throwing terabytes through
[1251.18 --> 1255.66]  that link anymore because the, you know, the main data set's already over there.
[1256.48 --> 1260.96]  But if ever I needed to restore that data, you know, Starlink's probably just not the
[1260.96 --> 1262.52]  right way to go.
[1262.52 --> 1270.66]  So then somehow the gods smiled on me and my mother-in-law who lives in rural Norfolk,
[1271.32 --> 1278.16]  she has had internet that has been awful for as long as I can possibly remember.
[1278.36 --> 1283.20]  Again, it was in that sort of four or five megabyte down, one or two megabyte up region,
[1283.34 --> 1284.60]  just DSL, ADSL.
[1284.60 --> 1289.80]  If it got a bit windy, the speed dropped, you know, because the lines were suspended
[1289.80 --> 1291.08]  over such a distance.
[1291.70 --> 1294.64]  She messaged me a month ago and said, hey, good news.
[1294.98 --> 1296.66]  I'm getting fiber to the property.
[1297.18 --> 1297.84]  Fiber out there?
[1298.02 --> 1299.52]  I was like, fiber to the property?
[1299.82 --> 1301.06]  I can't even get that.
[1301.74 --> 1302.78]  You said yes, right?
[1302.86 --> 1303.54]  You said yes.
[1303.56 --> 1304.46]  I said yes.
[1304.68 --> 1309.98]  And so she now has, I'm led to believe, a 500 symmetrical megabyte connection.
[1309.98 --> 1316.50]  So my primary old British server is now going to move from my father's to my mother-in-law's
[1316.50 --> 1319.04]  who I will bribe with something.
[1319.24 --> 1320.48]  I haven't figured out what yet.
[1320.64 --> 1321.46]  A gadget maybe?
[1321.74 --> 1322.98]  Yeah, she's already said yes.
[1323.20 --> 1327.54]  But the fiber comes in at the wrong end of the house from where we had a 4G connection
[1327.54 --> 1332.20]  for a before an LTE modem on the roof because the ADSL connection was so bad.
[1333.36 --> 1337.76]  And this is a lady that works fully remotely over the internet and has done for years now.
[1337.76 --> 1341.06]  So the internet is very important to her livelihood.
[1341.46 --> 1342.78]  This is going to be huge for her then.
[1343.22 --> 1347.40]  And so for me, I'm going to be drilling holes in walls and running ethernet through brick walls,
[1347.52 --> 1353.38]  not just American cardboard walls, proper walls, 18th century cottage walls, no less,
[1353.64 --> 1357.80]  which are, you know, three feet thick type deals.
[1358.10 --> 1359.80]  Honestly, that sounds like a pain in the ass to work on.
[1359.86 --> 1360.52]  I don't think I'd want that.
[1360.84 --> 1362.96]  Yeah, it's going to be fun.
[1363.42 --> 1366.94]  So I'll be doing a bit of work whilst I'm over there running ethernet for her.
[1366.94 --> 1370.26]  And I think my reward will be to host the server at her house.
[1370.86 --> 1376.98]  Now, since TailScale is now a thing, I will be running all of my backups over TailScale
[1376.98 --> 1381.66]  to that particular server and dispensing with OpenSense on the remote site.
[1381.88 --> 1383.12]  I don't see the need anymore.
[1383.62 --> 1388.42]  TailScale works on my Nvidia Shield so I can run iPlayer through Android TV.
[1388.42 --> 1392.84]  It also works on my phone, my iPad, my laptop, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[1392.98 --> 1397.44]  So I can come out with a British residential IP address with 500 meg up, no problem.
[1398.18 --> 1400.16]  I just don't really need WireGuard anymore.
[1400.38 --> 1402.40]  It's naked WireGuard anyway.
[1402.56 --> 1404.28]  I mean, I know TailScale uses it under the hood.
[1404.66 --> 1404.70]  Yeah.
[1404.70 --> 1409.08]  When you were talking about how you had a point-to-point VPN and you're SSHing over that,
[1409.18 --> 1411.60]  and I was like, that's funny.
[1411.84 --> 1413.86]  That's how I did things for like 20 years.
[1413.86 --> 1416.30]  But now that sounds like a really old way of doing things.
[1416.58 --> 1417.44]  It's so nice.
[1417.52 --> 1421.08]  And I know TailScale sponsored the show, so I don't mean to sound like a shill, but...
[1421.08 --> 1423.36]  They're not currently sponsored this week, so this is unpaid.
[1423.44 --> 1423.92]  This is all true.
[1424.14 --> 1425.46]  It's just, you know, it's your opinion.
[1425.72 --> 1426.96]  Ah, well, there you go.
[1427.16 --> 1428.18]  That's how you know it's true.
[1428.88 --> 1433.52]  I mean, the reason that they sponsored the show in the past is simply because we found them
[1433.52 --> 1436.36]  and we thought this is the way it should have always been.
[1436.60 --> 1437.36]  This is the way.
[1437.86 --> 1443.20]  And the other prong of my backup setup is I have a Synology box
[1443.20 --> 1444.36]  living at my mother's house.
[1444.76 --> 1448.54]  She only has, I think it's fiber to the cabinet is what they call it in England.
[1449.14 --> 1452.18]  So they run fiber to a cabinet a few hundred feet away from the house,
[1452.22 --> 1454.62]  and then it's copper for the last few hundred feet.
[1455.20 --> 1460.16]  So she gets about 60 or 70 meg down and maybe 10 or 20 up,
[1460.26 --> 1462.00]  which is sufficient for a backup server.
[1462.00 --> 1465.50]  It's not sufficient for an awful lot of other things, but it'll do.
[1466.58 --> 1471.42]  And I run that using AutoRestick, which is a wrapper around Restick.
[1471.42 --> 1474.60]  I think I've talked about this previously, but that's the summary.
[1475.32 --> 1479.92]  AutoRestick runs over tail scale and it just works.
[1480.06 --> 1483.36]  I actually went to check up on it the other day and was pleasantly surprised that
[1483.36 --> 1486.02]  it's still working six months later.
[1486.68 --> 1487.74]  That's what you want to see, man.
[1487.78 --> 1488.60]  That's what you want to see.
[1489.24 --> 1491.46]  So that's going to be quite a bit of work because you're going to have to
[1491.46 --> 1493.88]  shut that thing down, move it, set it back up.
[1493.98 --> 1497.08]  You're going to probably have some networking stuff to configure out over at Moms.
[1497.08 --> 1500.76]  And I mean, you might want to spin up a home assistant instance for her.
[1500.86 --> 1501.28]  I don't know.
[1501.40 --> 1502.96]  I mean, I can see you doing that too.
[1503.24 --> 1505.56]  I can see this kind of rabbit holing.
[1506.38 --> 1509.94]  I might take one of these spare Raspberry Pis I've got in the drawer behind me as a backup
[1509.94 --> 1515.34]  for the mother-in-law's house so that I have another tail scale endpoint that isn't the server
[1515.34 --> 1520.22]  itself inside the LAN so that I can kind of island hop within the LAN.
[1520.60 --> 1524.16]  Look at you traveling with a Raspberry Pi, Mr. Baller over there.
[1525.08 --> 1526.06]  That's a good idea, though.
[1526.30 --> 1528.34]  I'll get to customs and they'll be like, anything to declare?
[1528.46 --> 1531.38]  And I'm like, yeah, a million dollars worth of Raspberry Pis in my bag.
[1533.36 --> 1534.92]  It's kind of funny, but it's getting to that.
[1535.30 --> 1539.26]  But really, I think what we should talk about is the fact that you're going to have a meetup
[1539.26 --> 1539.90]  while you're over there.
[1540.00 --> 1542.18]  That is very exciting and it's really coming together.
[1542.74 --> 1543.64]  Absolutely, yes.
[1543.88 --> 1549.50]  So in order to accommodate a certain Mr. Joe Ressington, there were certain requirements
[1549.50 --> 1550.28]  that had to be met.
[1550.36 --> 1553.26]  And one of them that was non-negotiable was being outdoors.
[1553.26 --> 1555.74]  I kind of feel the same way as well.
[1555.88 --> 1560.38]  So I mean, I know I shovel that on Joe's shoulders, but also it's my requirement too.
[1560.88 --> 1562.52]  Everybody can just feel a little more comfortable this way.
[1562.70 --> 1564.36]  So we're going to meet underneath the London Eye.
[1564.56 --> 1570.40]  There's a big square green space between the Shell Centre, the London Eye and the Hungerford Bridge.
[1571.14 --> 1577.14]  And we're going to meet there on the 5th of August around about six o'clock British summertime.
[1577.14 --> 1579.74]  I've got to be very specific about that.
[1579.74 --> 1584.20]  Yeah, you've got to watch out because the meetup page is in JB's local time.
[1584.70 --> 1587.12]  So the meetup page can send you a ride.
[1587.96 --> 1588.12]  Yeah.
[1588.26 --> 1591.60]  So when it says 11 a.m., ignore that.
[1591.70 --> 1593.30]  It's 11 a.m. Chris's time.
[1593.30 --> 1601.78]  We will be there at six o'clock in the evening, British summertime, and we'll be there until late.
[1601.94 --> 1604.68]  I mean, officially it says nine o'clock, I think, you know, three hours or so.
[1605.12 --> 1610.34]  I do have a flight back here the next morning about eight or nine in the morning.
[1610.34 --> 1616.74]  So I probably won't be out getting completely plastered, but I will be there.
[1617.00 --> 1617.84]  And I have stickers.
[1618.22 --> 1625.22]  If that's the final thing that gets you to come to the meetup, we have limited edition self-hosted diamond cut stickers.
[1625.96 --> 1626.72]  That's so cool.
[1627.12 --> 1628.40]  Alex, you're going to get over 100 people.
[1628.92 --> 1629.52]  I hope so.
[1630.06 --> 1631.06]  I can tell you right now.
[1631.30 --> 1634.98]  If you've got 99 people on the meetup and you can tell the way this meetup page has been trending,
[1635.14 --> 1637.86]  I've done this enough times to tell you you're going to get over 100 people.
[1638.22 --> 1639.80]  Well, they have to beat the rally lot.
[1639.80 --> 1640.70]  How many did we get there?
[1640.74 --> 1641.52]  I think it was about 100.
[1641.76 --> 1642.68]  Oh, it was a little bit more.
[1642.76 --> 1644.38]  It might have been closer to 200 in Raleigh.
[1644.50 --> 1647.20]  I mean, it's like the Raleigh meetup is a good crew.
[1647.40 --> 1649.80]  Oh, I like the way you work, sir.
[1650.38 --> 1651.52]  I think it was a little bit more.
[1651.60 --> 1653.28]  So they're going to have to try harder.
[1653.38 --> 1655.18]  I mean, they don't want the Americans to beat them, right?
[1657.12 --> 1659.84]  Meetup.com slash Jupiter Broadcasting for the meetup details.
[1659.84 --> 1662.86]  I, of course, am looking forward to hearing how it goes.
[1663.32 --> 1666.52]  We have created a JB meetup matrix space as well.
[1666.52 --> 1670.10]  Of course, this meetup is also being organized in the self-hosted Discord.
[1670.50 --> 1676.10]  But in general, we have created a JB meetup's matrix space on our self-hosted matrix instance.
[1676.30 --> 1678.00]  There is a London Colony meetup in there.
[1678.00 --> 1684.56]  And there's now a brand new chat room for a West Coast road trip that we're going on in September.
[1685.42 --> 1691.22]  Jupiter Broadcasting has been invited to get a personal tour of the Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena
[1691.22 --> 1697.12]  by a friend of the show, Tim Canham, who is the operational lead for the Mars helicopter that runs Linux.
[1697.48 --> 1699.60]  So it's an amazing opportunity.
[1699.78 --> 1701.24]  And Linode is helping us get down there.
[1701.60 --> 1703.42]  They're going to help just like they did last year.
[1703.42 --> 1706.00]  So we're going to do a whole series of meetups.
[1706.10 --> 1711.06]  So that meetup page is going to be more useful than ever as the summer comes up.
[1711.34 --> 1714.34]  And, of course, in that matrix space, which we'll have linked in the show notes,
[1714.34 --> 1718.86]  if you want to find out where we're going to be at or if you are a local in the area
[1718.86 --> 1723.30]  and you want to give us a shout out so we know there's someone in that area to meet up with,
[1723.42 --> 1728.88]  or maybe you know a great place we could stop in the Washington, Oregon, California region,
[1729.52 --> 1732.32]  join that matrix space linked in the notes and say hi.
[1732.32 --> 1735.00]  It's going to be going to be a massive road trip.
[1735.26 --> 1735.76]  I mean, we got a lot.
[1735.90 --> 1737.44]  August, we got the London meetup.
[1737.82 --> 1742.76]  And then in September, we're going to have Oregon, California, JPL.
[1743.00 --> 1744.30]  It's going to be great, Alex.
[1744.78 --> 1746.52]  JPL is down in LA, right?
[1747.00 --> 1747.20]  Yeah.
[1747.36 --> 1747.60]  Yep.
[1747.70 --> 1749.24]  Just Pasadena area.
[1749.70 --> 1751.04]  So the outskirts.
[1751.48 --> 1751.82]  Wonderful.
[1752.24 --> 1752.40]  Yeah.
[1752.42 --> 1755.70]  I'll have to figure out how I'm going to do that in the RV, but we'll get it dialed in.
[1756.42 --> 1759.90]  I hear that the best way to do it is Grand Theft Auto style.
[1759.96 --> 1761.00]  You just drive through the desert.
[1761.00 --> 1762.90]  Real fast.
[1762.96 --> 1765.08]  And then you steal a jet plane and then you fly right in.
[1766.30 --> 1767.48]  I think that'll work, Alex.
[1767.62 --> 1768.48]  I think that's going to work.
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[1927.76 --> 1929.00]  What an opportunity.
[1929.26 --> 1932.32]  JPL is going to be so, so cool.
[1932.42 --> 1936.42]  I really hope you can find a way to meet up with Chris on the way down if you're on the West Coast.
[1936.86 --> 1938.52]  I'm going to start looking at flights.
[1938.62 --> 1942.40]  I think that could be, I think it could be worth the flight, hey?
[1942.40 --> 1944.40]  Oh yeah, that's a special opportunity.
[1944.68 --> 1944.96]  Totally.
[1945.30 --> 1946.22]  All right, you and I can talk more.
[1946.54 --> 1948.32]  I just didn't want to bring it up when you're in the middle of traveling,
[1948.46 --> 1949.44]  but we can talk more when you get back.
[1951.02 --> 1952.54]  Do I bring the family though?
[1952.90 --> 1954.56]  Ooh, that's a tricky one.
[1954.96 --> 1956.44]  You know, it's a work trip, quote unquote.
[1956.54 --> 1957.92]  So it's a JB work thing.
[1958.04 --> 1958.96]  I mean, I don't know, it's up to you though.
[1959.20 --> 1963.50]  I'd tell you, the mother-in-law, who we just referenced, is a physicist by trade.
[1964.28 --> 1965.36]  So I think she'd be down.
[1965.36 --> 1967.34]  I think she's in Raleigh for September.
[1967.72 --> 1971.90]  So I think you might have to grease those wheels with the mother-in-law as well.
[1972.90 --> 1974.22]  It's already happening.
[1975.04 --> 1975.82]  Oh man.
[1976.02 --> 1977.56]  So Lawrence writes in,
[1977.62 --> 1981.44]  Hey Chris and Alex, I love the show and I'm really looking forward to the UK meetup next month.
[1981.88 --> 1985.18]  This is a broader self-hosting question, but with your combined experience,
[1985.18 --> 1987.34]  I'm hoping you may be able to point me in the right direction.
[1987.78 --> 1990.42]  I'm a solicitor or attorney for those in the US,
[1990.90 --> 1994.38]  looking to change careers to the cloud and I'm unsure where to begin.
[1995.46 --> 1997.88]  Hey, we should have Fuzzy Mistborn answer this question, eh?
[1997.88 --> 2001.42]  Given that he was on just recently and he's in that trade.
[2002.62 --> 2010.30]  So as is the way, a Pi was my gateway drug and it sent me down the rabbit hole on what has become quite the adventure learning Linux.
[2010.56 --> 2018.88]  I've had offers from a few very expensive training providers purveying various grades of snake oil and supposedly guaranteed jobs.
[2018.88 --> 2023.18]  But in keeping with the self-hosting spirit, I'd like to try and do it myself.
[2024.06 --> 2030.58]  I'm currently following a couple of Udemy courses and self-studying to get the AWS cloud practitioner certification,
[2031.08 --> 2032.52]  along with a couple of others.
[2032.52 --> 2038.34]  And I imagine landing any entry-level role would be quite difficult without any prior experience.
[2038.82 --> 2040.90]  Any sage advice would be greatly appreciated.
[2041.30 --> 2043.16]  Keep up the good work, guys, and get well soon, Chris.
[2043.40 --> 2044.06]  Thanks, Lawrence.
[2044.44 --> 2045.36]  Well, thank you, Lawrence.
[2045.42 --> 2047.08]  I am feeling much, much better now.
[2047.12 --> 2049.90]  I'd say I'm like 95% better.
[2050.26 --> 2054.16]  This is a great question and it's something that you are not alone in struggling with
[2054.16 --> 2060.94]  because you get to this point where you've got a lot of hands-on lab time where you've built things and tried things
[2060.94 --> 2065.40]  or maybe you've deployed something in the cloud, but you don't necessarily have work experience
[2065.40 --> 2067.20]  and you want to take it to that next step.
[2067.38 --> 2073.00]  That can be situational, but I will say one area that I looked at when I was hiring is
[2073.00 --> 2076.86]  I would ask people if they have participated in any projects on GitHub
[2076.86 --> 2082.78]  because it's just all your commits, all your work, everything's documented right there
[2082.78 --> 2086.10]  and it can be an example of a work ethic.
[2086.20 --> 2088.26]  It can be an example of you participating in a community,
[2088.34 --> 2092.08]  even if it's not necessarily specific to the job you're applying for.
[2092.52 --> 2097.64]  I mean, my own personal story, I was working in retail at the Apple store for a while
[2097.64 --> 2101.30]  and I just ended up getting interested in Linux in my spare time.
[2101.80 --> 2106.46]  And then I was lucky enough to be able to go and do a computer science master's degree for a year
[2106.46 --> 2109.94]  and that was kind of a deep dive into programming and databases
[2109.94 --> 2115.24]  and all sorts of other really difficult stuff that was honestly way beyond me.
[2115.60 --> 2117.86]  And it's way beyond what I do in my day job now.
[2118.46 --> 2125.18]  My advice would be, such as it is anyway, find an area that you find interesting enough
[2125.18 --> 2128.32]  to self-study on, whether that's infrastructure, whether that's development,
[2129.12 --> 2133.44]  whether that's testing, whatever it might be, and just do it.
[2134.02 --> 2137.00]  You know, find a project that, you know, solve a real problem
[2137.00 --> 2139.66]  and find a project around your house that needs automating,
[2139.76 --> 2141.20]  if it's infrastructure, for example.
[2142.14 --> 2147.02]  Or, you know, if it's development, find a problem that nobody else has solved
[2147.02 --> 2149.76]  or find a problem that's been solved you think you could solve better
[2149.76 --> 2152.04]  and just nibble away at it yourself.
[2152.04 --> 2157.18]  And I'm not a huge believer in certifications per se.
[2157.46 --> 2161.84]  I get free certifications through Red Hat, which is a lucky perk of the job,
[2161.92 --> 2163.28]  but I've only done a handful.
[2163.28 --> 2168.94]  And it's because I just don't necessarily think that simply by having those letters next to my name,
[2168.94 --> 2173.44]  it means that I actually know an awful lot more than the next person.
[2175.14 --> 2175.58]  Yeah.
[2175.78 --> 2179.48]  It means that I learned the answers to that specific test on that day in history,
[2180.00 --> 2181.68]  five years ago, maybe.
[2181.98 --> 2182.52]  I don't know.
[2182.68 --> 2187.98]  It's useful in some ways because it gets your foot in the door with employers to say,
[2187.98 --> 2193.22]  yes, I've done XYZ, but in other ways, I'm much more interested in hiring somebody
[2193.22 --> 2201.08]  who is able to speak passionately about a specific area and can demonstrate some open source work.
[2201.78 --> 2203.48]  So you almost just, I think you almost just hit it there too.
[2203.54 --> 2206.08]  Like, I wonder if it isn't a passion thing.
[2206.12 --> 2212.16]  Like he isn't tearing into a problem and becoming the most knowledgeable person
[2212.16 --> 2217.44]  about that problem in the world, thus discovering a community, their problems,
[2217.52 --> 2221.48]  and providing a solution, and then getting employment through those networking connections.
[2222.06 --> 2225.38]  Instead, it almost feels like, Lawrence, the biggest problem you're trying to solve is employment.
[2225.62 --> 2226.42]  And I get that.
[2226.86 --> 2231.30]  But getting a job is not an ends of means itself.
[2231.50 --> 2234.50]  It's like just part of it.
[2234.66 --> 2237.98]  Like the job should be reflective of what you're really passionate about.
[2237.98 --> 2241.44]  And it's a tricky thing because I think, I realize you got to get a job.
[2241.52 --> 2241.96]  You got to get money.
[2242.06 --> 2242.56]  You got to get paid.
[2242.96 --> 2245.16]  But it feels like you kind of put the cart before the horse.
[2245.18 --> 2246.58]  Like you're kind of trying different stuff.
[2246.72 --> 2247.86]  You're excited about a lot of it.
[2248.06 --> 2249.40]  You know you want to work in this area.
[2249.50 --> 2250.76]  I see this all the time.
[2251.00 --> 2252.08]  But you don't have a specialty.
[2252.22 --> 2252.98]  You don't have a focus.
[2253.06 --> 2254.08]  You don't necessarily have a passion.
[2254.52 --> 2257.20]  And if you do, well, then that's your obvious answer.
[2257.26 --> 2258.78]  And that's what you should probably be going after.
[2259.26 --> 2261.48]  I'd recommend that you give Coda Radio a listen as well.
[2261.74 --> 2264.48]  Mike and Chris talk about this kind of stuff all the time.
[2264.48 --> 2266.28]  I mean, it's a bit more small business focused.
[2266.28 --> 2269.40]  But sometimes they talk about, you know, how to get into the industry and that kind of thing.
[2269.68 --> 2270.30]  Yeah, thank you.
[2270.34 --> 2271.64]  That's probably a good tip.
[2271.78 --> 2271.98]  All right.
[2272.02 --> 2276.28]  So Brad writes in, who wants to know about our thoughts on tap business cards.
[2276.40 --> 2278.12]  So, you know, some are tied to websites.
[2278.24 --> 2279.26]  Some are tied to apps.
[2279.60 --> 2282.28]  I was curious if this is something you guys have used or consider.
[2282.60 --> 2284.68]  I want to be more environmentally conscious.
[2285.10 --> 2287.60]  And most business cards, they just get thrown away.
[2287.96 --> 2292.48]  I wonder, though, how much telemetry is gathered by these card companies and what they'll do with it.
[2293.02 --> 2293.76]  Regards, Brad.
[2293.76 --> 2296.28]  Have you seen these digital credit cards?
[2296.82 --> 2297.82]  There's app versions.
[2297.92 --> 2298.90]  There's physical versions.
[2299.42 --> 2300.76]  Some of them are NFC-based.
[2300.88 --> 2302.52]  Some of them are something else.
[2303.58 --> 2304.54]  Seems open to abuse.
[2304.78 --> 2305.06]  Yeah.
[2305.60 --> 2309.68]  But saying that, I've had a contactless debit card in my pocket for five or six years.
[2309.74 --> 2312.08]  And it's only been cloned once.
[2312.68 --> 2314.64]  Theoretically, I like this idea, right?
[2314.70 --> 2317.76]  I prefer not having another piece of paper.
[2317.76 --> 2326.78]  And if I get a business card that I actually care about, I almost inevitably end up scanning it with my phone or some contact application.
[2327.28 --> 2328.92]  But I did do some digging around.
[2329.20 --> 2330.84]  There are projects out there.
[2330.86 --> 2336.96]  In fact, one that's been going around this week that lets you build your own business card out of your own parts.
[2336.96 --> 2338.60]  And then you run Linux on the thing.
[2338.60 --> 2343.74]  And I guess you could be a little more secure in that.
[2344.46 --> 2347.68]  Honestly, I don't think this is ever going to take off.
[2348.14 --> 2348.82]  I really don't.
[2349.20 --> 2353.22]  And the reason why, and I'm just, maybe it's old man Chris here.
[2353.22 --> 2363.36]  But back in my day, our Palm Pilots had little infrared blasters built into them so you could exchange contact information.
[2363.72 --> 2365.70]  Did you just play the Palm Pilot card?
[2366.56 --> 2370.50]  We have been trying to solve this problem literally since the late 90s.
[2370.88 --> 2375.78]  Since fax machines were popular to have in the home, we have been trying to solve this problem.
[2376.02 --> 2379.88]  And we have tried different technologies and nothing has stuck.
[2379.88 --> 2384.48]  Like, even as Palm Pilot friends, you know, we were kind of like, all right, let's try this.
[2384.50 --> 2385.28]  And you'd line it up.
[2385.36 --> 2387.06]  And it just never really took off.
[2387.40 --> 2390.76]  You know what's going to happen in the real world is you're going to make a connection with someone.
[2390.76 --> 2393.40]  And then you're going to unlock your phone, pass it to them.
[2393.40 --> 2399.10]  And they're going to type in their number or send you a text or a telegram or, hey, what's your discord or your Twitter or whatever.
[2399.58 --> 2400.30]  That's the reality.
[2400.42 --> 2402.08]  It feels like that's going to be the reality.
[2402.34 --> 2406.50]  As long as we have multiple vendors making multiple operating systems that want to implement their own standards
[2406.50 --> 2411.36]  and don't necessarily have incentive to interoperate with maybe each other.
[2411.42 --> 2411.56]  Right.
[2411.62 --> 2417.90]  As long as that's as long as we've got a Coke and Pepsi of phone manufacturers and Coke and Pepsi don't want to share their secret recipe.
[2418.22 --> 2421.96]  I don't think we're very likely to have universal electronic cards that actually be adopted.
[2421.96 --> 2428.16]  It needs to be as easy as like, you know, you bump watches, you tap phones and it's completely seamless.
[2428.34 --> 2430.00]  And unless it's that, it's never going to take off.
[2430.40 --> 2436.04]  I thought I saw the answer at a conference a few years ago, which was scanning a QR code on a conference's badge.
[2436.62 --> 2438.98]  But all that turned into was another way to track me.
[2439.26 --> 2440.62]  And that's the last thing I want.
[2441.42 --> 2443.12]  Real time Brent update for the show.
[2443.36 --> 2445.58]  And he's missed his flight, unfortunately, by about 10 minutes.
[2445.64 --> 2449.40]  So let's hope that Air Canada take good care of him tonight.
[2450.58 --> 2453.02]  Anyway, Matt writes in, hey, self-hosted crew.
[2453.02 --> 2459.80]  I wanted to start out by saying thank you to the entire JB team for consistently putting out top tier Linux content.
[2461.44 --> 2461.92]  Stop.
[2461.92 --> 2467.62]  I've been listening for a few years now and y'all, how did I do with that?
[2467.86 --> 2468.36]  Not bad.
[2468.80 --> 2472.34]  Have really helped me in my journey to becoming a Linux sysadmin.
[2472.90 --> 2474.20]  I've been building up my home lab.
[2474.34 --> 2482.66]  And since I got the promotion a few months ago, I was curious if you have talked about smoke detectors, water and flood detectors or that kind of thing on the show previously.
[2482.66 --> 2490.36]  I've been able to replace all the pipes in my house and I haven't had any leaks, but I'm concerned that something might happen in the future.
[2490.76 --> 2492.00]  Thanks again for all that you do.
[2492.38 --> 2493.28]  He loved the word y'all.
[2493.38 --> 2496.70]  There's three y'alls in there and he's trying to make the British man say y'all.
[2496.70 --> 2499.32]  You're doing great, Alex.
[2499.34 --> 2500.04]  You're doing great.
[2500.24 --> 2501.02]  I do like the word.
[2501.18 --> 2503.84]  What have you done for smoke detectors and the lot?
[2504.08 --> 2505.02]  Do you have those integrated?
[2505.14 --> 2505.94]  Have you kept them separate?
[2506.34 --> 2509.98]  They're bog standard $5 smoke detectors from Amazon.
[2510.34 --> 2511.98]  And I've got one above my 3D printer.
[2512.46 --> 2513.96]  I have a Z-Wave smoke detector.
[2514.08 --> 2515.78]  Like I said, I got a lot of Z-Wave devices.
[2516.32 --> 2519.26]  This I purchased November 20th, 2020.
[2519.26 --> 2525.72]  So I've had it for a couple of years now and I've never had a fire, so I don't really have a lot to say.
[2526.04 --> 2529.76]  But I bought it on a recommendation from the Home Assistant community.
[2530.04 --> 2533.60]  It's the first alert Z-Wave smoke detector carbon monoxide alarm.
[2533.84 --> 2539.42]  You just join it to your Z-Wave network like you would all your other devices and it shows up in Home Assistant with the alarm component.
[2540.00 --> 2541.34]  And I like it a lot.
[2541.96 --> 2544.86]  It's really easy to replace the battery, too.
[2544.96 --> 2546.82]  It's just got a little side tray that pops out.
[2546.82 --> 2549.16]  So when you do have to replace the battery, you can.
[2549.66 --> 2552.42]  And because it's Z-Wave, it's not a big battery hog.
[2552.52 --> 2553.96]  It's just two AA batteries.
[2554.54 --> 2558.70]  So I'll put a link to this in the show notes for at least smoke detector.
[2559.22 --> 2560.44]  Now, what about leak detectors?
[2560.90 --> 2570.48]  Previous friends of the show, Shelley, actually make some flood detectors, which I'm reliably informed by one of my neighbors who has a rental property out at the coast work extremely well.
[2571.04 --> 2576.26]  And I'm fairly sure that Aqara, A-Q-A-R-A, make a leak detector as well.
[2576.26 --> 2582.20]  And then, of course, sticking with the Z-Wave theme over here, the Aotec water leak sensor.
[2582.70 --> 2585.12]  These Aotecs, they work great with Home Assistant.
[2585.62 --> 2587.86]  They also make some great sensors.
[2588.00 --> 2591.06]  They're just a little expensive, although their leak detector is only $36.
[2591.06 --> 2595.82]  And $36 is money well spent to prevent a leak.
[2596.00 --> 2606.20]  And then, of course, another actual Z-Wave device, although I don't use it, but we've had people write in, is the Ring leak detectors, which I'm told are pretty decent.
[2606.60 --> 2607.88]  And I actually talk Z-Wave.
[2607.88 --> 2615.68]  Never use them myself, but if you already have a Ring camera or you want to experiment with it, you could try the Ring leak detectors as well.
[2616.20 --> 2618.80]  Can't vouch for it personally, but we've gotten pretty good email on it.
[2619.70 --> 2622.24]  All right, we got some boosts with some new podcast apps.
[2622.36 --> 2626.76]  Kospilin was in first this week with 3,690 sats.
[2627.06 --> 2631.74]  And he was writing in about his Pi OS setup from our chat in Pi for Every Problem.
[2631.74 --> 2639.06]  He says that I use Tumbleweed on my, quote, desktop Pies, and then I use Raspbian on the headless Cody Pies.
[2639.30 --> 2643.98]  And he uses NFS to avoid using the SD card altogether.
[2644.96 --> 2646.18]  He says, thanks for the show.
[2646.60 --> 2649.10]  That's all well and good, but what happens when the NFS server's down?
[2649.88 --> 2651.78]  Well, then you're probably not watching your movies anyways.
[2653.06 --> 2654.88]  Or the network switches down.
[2655.42 --> 2656.08]  Yeah, yeah.
[2656.42 --> 2657.52]  No, I agree.
[2657.52 --> 2661.50]  You know, but I stream all of my television over the network now, and it's been okay.
[2662.06 --> 2662.42]  But yeah.
[2662.86 --> 2668.12]  Yeah, NFS to run the system, that could lead to a bad day.
[2668.78 --> 2672.50]  SirLurksalot boosted in with 1,337 sats.
[2673.08 --> 2678.42]  He says, I'm also a big believer and a fan of your support of the Matrix ecosystem.
[2678.76 --> 2680.30]  I do run my own home server.
[2680.44 --> 2682.08]  I've done it for a couple of years now.
[2682.20 --> 2685.18]  And I've given you lots of feedback and moral support for running Matrix.
[2685.18 --> 2690.32]  But I wanted to chime in and say that I fully support your use of Discord as well.
[2690.32 --> 2692.26]  It's not a zero-sum game.
[2692.76 --> 2696.54]  Self-hosting is a journey, and shows like this are to help light the way.
[2697.16 --> 2701.60]  But if neophytes are on Discord, you've got to meet them there to bring them into the tent.
[2702.34 --> 2702.74]  Hallelujah.
[2703.44 --> 2704.52]  Well put, Lurksalot.
[2704.56 --> 2708.26]  He goes on to say, with a double boost, coming in with another elite set of sats.
[2709.00 --> 2713.72]  He says, also, once they're on the path, you know, the show could help nudge them to Matrix one day.
[2714.18 --> 2716.68]  I'm glad you have a couple of Matrix room for the self-hosted show.
[2716.76 --> 2719.26]  Maybe encourage people to engage and pay attention over there.
[2719.38 --> 2720.54]  Hey, I'm paying attention over there.
[2720.96 --> 2723.52]  He says, too bad there isn't a bridge good enough to bring them together.
[2723.62 --> 2724.26]  It's a shame.
[2725.00 --> 2725.96]  But that is the way.
[2726.52 --> 2727.28]  Thanks, Lurksalot.
[2727.84 --> 2728.48]  Yeah, thank you.
[2728.66 --> 2732.96]  And I think it's important, you know, that we talk about this stuff.
[2732.96 --> 2742.90]  Because there's always a prevailing wind in tech that for one company to win or one standard to win, all the others have to lose.
[2743.00 --> 2748.52]  And I think it goes back to a Steve Jobs quote originally, I think, that I'm referencing here.
[2748.62 --> 2754.04]  That there's this idea that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose.
[2754.56 --> 2755.86]  And it's just not true.
[2756.16 --> 2758.04]  And I think the same is true of Discord and Matrix.
[2758.04 --> 2758.48]  Yes.
[2759.22 --> 2762.10]  And I think this type of debate, should I host it myself?
[2762.20 --> 2763.68]  Should I just use the dang service?
[2764.02 --> 2765.30]  What are the pros and cons?
[2765.84 --> 2769.04]  I think that's something the audience probably struggles with quite a bit.
[2769.54 --> 2773.98]  I'd say it's probably the biggest part of self-hosting is deciding, is it worth my time or not?
[2774.74 --> 2777.62]  Fun Deck Hermit boosted him with 2,000 sats.
[2778.04 --> 2783.48]  He says there is a podcast called The Amp Hour that's located in Raleigh with a host named Chris.
[2783.48 --> 2788.66]  And he says maybe there'd be some event organization that could happen sometime.
[2788.94 --> 2789.98]  And who knows, man?
[2790.04 --> 2791.60]  There is a good community in Raleigh.
[2791.66 --> 2792.98]  That could be a thing that happens.
[2793.68 --> 2794.44]  I like the name, too.
[2794.56 --> 2795.42]  Raleigh IoT.
[2795.72 --> 2795.98]  Riot.
[2796.22 --> 2796.92]  That's a fun one.
[2797.36 --> 2800.58]  He came in with another double boost, Fun Deck Hermit did.
[2800.64 --> 2801.72]  Another elite set of sats.
[2802.32 --> 2806.52]  He says not only does the authentic proxy application adhere to the specific protocol,
[2806.94 --> 2811.48]  it can also form a protective layer around dumb applications like PupCloud or Jacket.
[2811.48 --> 2811.92]  Hmm.
[2813.12 --> 2815.92]  It has an internal built-in proxy, but that is optional.
[2816.48 --> 2823.74]  We had that feedback from a few folks, actually, that not only can Authentic be the authentication provider,
[2823.88 --> 2827.88]  but it can also do the same job as Orphalia is only able to do as well.
[2827.94 --> 2829.22]  So you end up with the best of both worlds.
[2829.88 --> 2834.02]  So I suspect that's just bumped up my list of should try soon.
[2834.44 --> 2834.86]  Agreed.
[2835.36 --> 2839.56]  SUCD boosted in with a baby row of ducks, 222 sats.
[2839.56 --> 2843.10]  Because I use the software called FlightAware on the Raspberry Pi.
[2844.08 --> 2849.00]  And you can order it as a complete kit, ready to go.
[2849.26 --> 2851.42]  So it's $120, basically.
[2851.84 --> 2853.82]  But it comes with the transponder.
[2853.98 --> 2858.28]  It comes with the Pi Zero, the power supply, the indoor antenna with a magnetic base,
[2858.64 --> 2863.76]  all the cables you need, the SD card, everything to just have your own FlightAware set up.
[2863.76 --> 2868.70]  That could be genuinely a cost-effective way to get hold of a Raspberry Pi in 2022.
[2868.94 --> 2870.46]  I was going to say that.
[2871.46 --> 2873.48]  All right.
[2873.62 --> 2877.30]  Bronzewing boosted in with Elite Set of Sats, 1,337.
[2878.30 --> 2879.72]  Feeling my pain, Alex.
[2879.96 --> 2883.24]  Says my HomePods and Siri also seem to be way worse recently.
[2883.40 --> 2885.42]  I used to be able to say, hey, you know who.
[2886.24 --> 2887.20]  It's movie time.
[2887.42 --> 2888.78]  Or open the middle garage door.
[2888.78 --> 2891.38]  Now she usually takes at least a moment.
[2891.76 --> 2892.56]  It's very frustrating.
[2892.88 --> 2893.44]  Gets slower.
[2894.14 --> 2896.04]  Please keep us up to date if a fix shows up.
[2896.68 --> 2897.98]  So a little update on that, Alex.
[2899.10 --> 2902.04]  You know, one handy thing that I have is I kind of have an AB environment.
[2902.58 --> 2907.46]  I noticed that the Siri tubes in the studio are all still working perfectly fine.
[2908.04 --> 2909.60]  They still control all the devices.
[2909.74 --> 2911.24]  They recognize everything I say.
[2911.40 --> 2913.66]  It's only the Siri tubes in the RV.
[2913.66 --> 2919.82]  And I kind of almost wonder if it's something to do with the Home Assistant HomeKit integration.
[2920.02 --> 2922.22]  Like something's gone awry in that setup.
[2923.16 --> 2924.22]  But I'm not sure yet.
[2924.68 --> 2929.32]  I had a theory that it was to do with the profiles that these assistants build up on you over time.
[2929.42 --> 2931.98]  So you know how they do the voice matching right at the beginning,
[2932.78 --> 2936.16]  where your voice is just a generic voice amongst the herd.
[2936.24 --> 2940.26]  But over the years, right, they'll hear you speak more and they'll learn more and more and more.
[2940.26 --> 2945.02]  And that as those profiles are supposed to get better,
[2945.26 --> 2950.38]  they actually get to a point of diminishing returns and then they just fall off a cliff the other way.
[2950.70 --> 2956.84]  That's a theory because what I was reading is that if you go into your Google account or whatever
[2956.84 --> 2962.88]  and delete the profiles they have on you, that people's experiences have improved dramatically.
[2963.04 --> 2968.08]  And I just thought perhaps we could crowdsource some folks willing to test that out for us.
[2968.08 --> 2972.54]  You know, this is a great example of the knobs that we don't get access to anymore
[2972.54 --> 2974.72]  with all of these new services and devices.
[2974.72 --> 2976.56]  They're just completely hidden from us.
[2976.76 --> 2981.18]  And it's just they seem to get worse and worse and worse.
[2981.26 --> 2982.32]  And there's nothing we can do.
[2982.52 --> 2985.76]  And Bronze Wing says so, you know, he goes on to say, I'm looking at Mycroft.
[2986.12 --> 2989.88]  It seems like maybe the right way to go, but $300 is a steep hardware entry.
[2990.02 --> 2994.38]  I reserved one, but I just couldn't pull the trigger when it actually came time to buy it.
[2994.66 --> 2996.16]  So I got two HomePod minis instead.
[2996.16 --> 3000.32]  But the voice recognition space just seems really rough right now, I feel like.
[3000.80 --> 3002.16]  I completely agree with Bronze and Wig.
[3002.20 --> 3006.42]  And there is clearly a solution here that needs to be Home Assistant based, local based.
[3007.38 --> 3010.10]  But the bar is high in terms of performance.
[3010.82 --> 3016.90]  Let's just remember Christmas 1998 when Alex got his first family computer.
[3017.34 --> 3019.26]  And we were all sat around this thing.
[3019.62 --> 3023.98]  I think we got it from PC World and it was a Time Computers PC.
[3023.98 --> 3027.30]  And we had via voice on this thing.
[3027.60 --> 3028.76]  I don't know if you remember that program.
[3029.00 --> 3029.34]  Of course I do.
[3029.54 --> 3032.18]  You had to train this thing.
[3032.28 --> 3035.96]  You had to speak sentences into this thing to train the algorithm.
[3036.46 --> 3039.28]  And it would input text to you on the screen.
[3039.42 --> 3046.34]  And let's just pump the brakes on saying how bad they are before we actually realize how good they are.
[3046.34 --> 3047.32]  First of all, please.
[3047.32 --> 3047.80]  Yeah.
[3048.06 --> 3053.96]  The fact that they can even pick us up now when we're holding these mobile devices in like any environment pretty much is incredible.
[3053.96 --> 3059.82]  Because back then you needed a really close microphone, maybe even a headset microphone for good dictation.
[3060.52 --> 3063.44]  And getting that microphone to work with that computer was not a given.
[3065.12 --> 3066.38]  Oh, old computers.
[3066.38 --> 3067.66]  Oh, man.
[3068.04 --> 3072.80]  Optimus Grey boosted in just a day ago with a full row of ducks, 2,222 sats.
[3072.88 --> 3076.50]  He says, I was just listening to the podcast and I was syncing everything up.
[3076.62 --> 3077.38]  But you know what?
[3077.50 --> 3079.66]  This episode 71 might just be one of my favorites.
[3079.74 --> 3082.56]  It's got cooking, Proxmox, Bitwarden with Ansible.
[3082.84 --> 3084.08]  What else could you want?
[3084.84 --> 3085.86]  Also, I agree.
[3085.96 --> 3086.98]  Brent needs some gas money.
[3087.28 --> 3092.06]  And don't tell Alex that we'll all be touching his chair when we have a house party over there.
[3092.06 --> 3094.54]  I still have the sign up here.
[3094.88 --> 3096.18]  No touchy the chair.
[3096.44 --> 3097.66]  You see this on the stream?
[3097.82 --> 3099.34]  But that just makes people want to touch it.
[3099.68 --> 3101.16]  It just makes them want to touch it.
[3101.62 --> 3102.58]  It's still up there.
[3102.94 --> 3105.26]  It's like a sign that says, don't kick me.
[3105.32 --> 3106.20]  Then people want to kick you.
[3106.32 --> 3106.54]  True.
[3106.68 --> 3107.02]  It's true.
[3107.18 --> 3107.36]  Yeah.
[3107.56 --> 3109.88]  I do have a punchable face, I've been told.
[3110.12 --> 3112.92]  I like the idea, too, that Brent's going to have a party while you're gone.
[3113.04 --> 3115.34]  Like, you know, a teenager having a party while their parents are out.
[3116.18 --> 3116.70]  Do it?
[3116.84 --> 3119.36]  I mean, there is a million cameras around here.
[3119.44 --> 3120.38]  He won't get away with it.
[3120.74 --> 3120.94]  No.
[3120.94 --> 3123.00]  No, but there's not much you'll be able to do.
[3123.12 --> 3124.74]  I mean, you know, it's probably going to be Archie's fault.
[3124.84 --> 3126.52]  Archie's going to be a bad influence, I imagine.
[3126.74 --> 3126.96]  Yeah.
[3127.14 --> 3127.28]  Yeah.
[3127.28 --> 3128.40]  That dog does like to drink.
[3129.48 --> 3130.46]  We got a double boost.
[3130.54 --> 3131.52]  Some double boost this week.
[3131.58 --> 3132.40]  That's great, guys.
[3132.78 --> 3134.34]  500 stats from Optimus Grey again.
[3134.72 --> 3136.72]  He says, I live in a three-story townhouse.
[3137.12 --> 3140.20]  About 650 to 700 square feet per level.
[3140.64 --> 3142.40]  One Unify AP on top.
[3142.68 --> 3143.94]  And the lower floor.
[3144.48 --> 3147.54]  But I get poor speeds on that second middle floor.
[3147.54 --> 3151.22]  Do I really need a third Unify AP?
[3151.74 --> 3156.72]  I tried the Unify tools, but all my neighbors with their ISP modems and routers set to blast
[3156.72 --> 3158.46]  just seem to be configured poorly.
[3159.14 --> 3160.36]  Just run Ethernet everywhere.
[3160.62 --> 3162.12]  Just plug your phone in via Ethernet.
[3162.24 --> 3163.14]  That'll solve that problem.
[3163.42 --> 3163.94]  Yeah, right.
[3164.20 --> 3164.66]  Yeah, it will.
[3164.78 --> 3165.94]  What about Wi-Fi 6?
[3166.00 --> 3168.82]  I don't know if you have modern enough devices to support Wi-Fi 6.
[3168.92 --> 3172.62]  That uses a bit of extra spectrum that some of the other neighbors might not have.
[3172.62 --> 3175.64]  Obviously, every device doesn't support it.
[3175.86 --> 3182.88]  But generally speaking, the Unify tools do an okay job of defining the spectrum that's
[3182.88 --> 3183.24]  available.
[3183.44 --> 3186.76]  If you scan the channels, it will automatically move things around for you.
[3187.46 --> 3190.76]  I do have a firmware on my RoboVac, which might be of interest.
[3190.90 --> 3193.06]  I don't know if you have a RoboVac or anything like that.
[3193.06 --> 3199.48]  But I can actually send my ValiTudo-based RoboVac around the house, and it will generate
[3199.48 --> 3202.80]  me a Wi-Fi heat map of the Wi-Fi access points.
[3203.32 --> 3203.54]  Wow.
[3203.80 --> 3206.80]  So you get an idea of where the signal's the strongest from the neighbors and stuff like
[3206.80 --> 3207.04]  that.
[3207.10 --> 3207.76]  That's pretty fun.
[3207.86 --> 3211.74]  Now, you don't necessarily need a fancy pants vacuum to do that.
[3212.06 --> 3214.54]  There are apps on your phone which will let you do the same thing.
[3214.80 --> 3216.32]  That might be a good place to start.
[3216.48 --> 3222.44]  I wonder too, Optimus, like a price aside, why not get the third AP?
[3222.44 --> 3226.32]  It sounds like you've got a ton of channel crossover from your neighbors.
[3226.76 --> 3228.88]  Similar situation where I'm at here at the studio.
[3229.22 --> 3233.46]  I open up my Wi-Fi network screen, and I would be...
[3233.46 --> 3235.82]  I mean, I've never really counted because I just have to scroll and scroll, but it's
[3235.82 --> 3237.88]  probably like 35, 40 APs I can pick up.
[3237.98 --> 3238.74]  It's disgusting.
[3239.50 --> 3242.52]  And I have to imagine there's just a ton of channel overlap.
[3242.98 --> 3245.70]  You could be faced the same thing, especially in a townhouse like I am.
[3246.08 --> 3246.90]  Could totally see that.
[3247.10 --> 3252.36]  The other thing is, you could be just on the point between those two access points where
[3252.36 --> 3259.00]  the signal is about dropping off from both of them, and your devices don't know which
[3259.00 --> 3259.58]  one to pick.
[3259.64 --> 3263.78]  So they might be flip-flopping between the two all the time trying to do that handoff thing.
[3264.38 --> 3269.00]  And depending on how they're mounted, generally the Wi-Fi signal is a bubble, right?
[3269.04 --> 3270.96]  It's like a mushroom top.
[3271.04 --> 3273.96]  It goes out, up, and around.
[3274.10 --> 3276.66]  It doesn't necessarily go down below the AP.
[3276.80 --> 3278.08]  It doesn't go behind the AP.
[3278.08 --> 3282.26]  So you may have a mushroom dome of Wi-Fi on the bottom floor, and then you have a mushroom
[3282.26 --> 3285.92]  dome of Wi-Fi on the top, and they're both just not intersecting the middle floor as much.
[3286.40 --> 3288.40]  Plus, you maybe got something in the walls, too.
[3288.56 --> 3289.50]  That could also be an issue.
[3289.60 --> 3292.36]  I've seen places that have metal in the walls, and that blocks the signal.
[3293.02 --> 3294.88]  We got a baller boost from Dean.
[3295.44 --> 3299.40]  Dean, I'm going to say 70, 1070 maybe.
[3299.60 --> 3301.98]  Dean 1070 sent us a boost just a day ago.
[3302.36 --> 3303.64]  10,000 sats.
[3303.90 --> 3305.04]  He's boosting the dip.
[3305.40 --> 3308.16]  He says, I just wanted to show my appreciation for the self-hosted show.
[3308.54 --> 3312.18]  I thoroughly enjoy the topics you discuss, especially NAS storage and home server options.
[3312.64 --> 3313.40]  Keep up the great work.
[3313.48 --> 3315.24]  Well, thank you, Dean, for boosting the dip.
[3315.78 --> 3317.10]  Sats are on sale right now.
[3317.40 --> 3322.08]  We got 100 sats from user 6594 that said thanks, and also 100 sats from Josh the Jest.
[3322.68 --> 3323.96]  He said it's a great time to boost the show.
[3324.50 --> 3325.04]  Sats are cheap.
[3325.50 --> 3330.94]  If you want to send us a boost, you can do so by getting a podcasting 2.0 app at newpodcastapps.com,
[3330.94 --> 3335.36]  or just go grab Breeze if you don't want to switch your app, B-R-E-E-Z.technology,
[3335.76 --> 3338.88]  or if you want to nerd it up, which I don't think anybody did this week,
[3339.26 --> 3342.46]  you can use Boost CLI, which is a command line tool.
[3343.30 --> 3343.76]  Pretty cool.
[3344.52 --> 3345.74]  I guess you've got to be pretty elite for that.
[3346.32 --> 3351.56]  Now, the chat room are asking for some real-time feedback on the Wi-Fi-based RoboVac heatmap.
[3351.82 --> 3353.42]  I've just put a link to that in the chat.
[3353.54 --> 3358.58]  It's called Valoroni, I think, and take a look in the show notes.
[3358.68 --> 3359.44]  It'll be in there as well.
[3359.44 --> 3361.36]  That looks really cool, Alex.
[3361.74 --> 3366.00]  I figured it'd be a neat visualization, but I didn't realize it would be that neat.
[3366.12 --> 3366.50]  So, yeah.
[3367.30 --> 3370.74]  That's such a neat and wild use case for a robot vacuum.
[3371.24 --> 3375.28]  Well, the thing is, I have a dedicated IoT network, which is 2.4 gig,
[3375.36 --> 3382.02]  for all of my RoboVacs and smart cameras and all the other Wi-Fi crap Shelleys that is in this house.
[3382.02 --> 3387.40]  And so I used that to figure out where to put, you know, different access points.
[3387.44 --> 3394.50]  And it turned out in my kitchen, there was a spot that was underneath the stairs and just behind the washing machines and the fridge.
[3394.72 --> 3395.92]  That was, of course.
[3396.12 --> 3397.96]  Which is where my dining room table is.
[3398.04 --> 3398.86]  You can picture it.
[3398.86 --> 3401.00]  But that had no Wi-Fi signal.
[3401.48 --> 3409.44]  And obviously the dining room table is where I spend some hours a week, you know, with laptop whilst, you know, cooking's happening and what have you.
[3409.54 --> 3417.18]  So I just got one of those UniFi in-wall APs and slapped it into an old phone socket and pulled the wires through the wall into the crawl space.
[3417.64 --> 3418.34]  It was good to go.
[3418.42 --> 3420.76]  It was, you know, probably only an hour or two's worth of work.
[3420.76 --> 3421.68]  Very nice.
[3421.80 --> 3424.26]  And that's a great idea for an IoT network.
[3424.42 --> 3427.40]  Talk about getting a real on-the-ground view of your network.
[3427.80 --> 3430.36]  I want to say thank you to our members.
[3430.76 --> 3432.86]  Our SRE subscribers make the show possible.
[3433.20 --> 3436.44]  They let us be really picky about the sponsors we work with.
[3436.76 --> 3441.42]  They give us the runway to keep the show going if we have to say no to some sponsors.
[3442.06 --> 3445.70]  And as a thank you, we create an ad-free feed of the show.
[3445.82 --> 3450.08]  And also we tack on a post show that is exclusive to them.
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[3455.62 --> 3466.06]  And then I imagine shortly after the new, although I probably shouldn't commit to anything, but after we get the new website out the door, like the next thing on my list is upgrading the member feed.
[3466.14 --> 3470.56]  So we have live versions so you can do your boosts for the member feeds and all that kind of stuff.
[3470.60 --> 3473.94]  So that'll be probably later in the year after we get the website out at the end of summer.
[3474.18 --> 3479.54]  But all that stuff is being worked on for our SRE members because you guys matter a heck of a lot to us.
[3480.08 --> 3484.90]  I think it is really important just to hammer home how important independent media is these days.
[3485.90 --> 3495.26]  You see stuff in all sorts of spaces about how there are sponsored videos here and non-disclosed sponsorships and all that kind of stuff.
[3495.26 --> 3505.02]  And having a audience funded show really allows Chris and myself and the rest of the JB team to be authentic to you guys.
[3505.16 --> 3510.56]  Yes, we have a couple of commercial sponsors, but primarily the show is funded by you, the listeners.
[3510.78 --> 3517.18]  And I think keeping independent media independent is hugely valuable to our society.
[3517.18 --> 3518.62]  I couldn't have said it better myself.
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[3533.08 --> 3535.02]  Lots of stuff coming up in the next few weeks.
[3535.10 --> 3538.28]  Obviously, we've got the London Meetup on August 5th.
[3538.48 --> 3541.96]  Meetup.com slash Jupiter Broadcasting for all the details there.
[3541.96 --> 3548.82]  Chris has his JPL JB super road trip in September on the West Coast.
[3549.04 --> 3549.22]  Yeah.
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