[0.00 --> 5.84]  Every now and again, a man must take one for the team for his craft in the name of science.
[6.32 --> 9.48]  This weekend, I put my body on the line.
[10.32 --> 13.58]  Against all the odds, I came out the other side unscathed.
[13.82 --> 17.50]  I tried the barbecue at the new meetup spot.
[18.82 --> 21.30]  I was like, your body on the line?
[21.58 --> 22.94]  Where is this going?
[23.30 --> 27.60]  Yeah, I thank you for doing that, though, because I just could not believe it.
[27.60 --> 34.72]  You know, a park with a brewery and a barbecue joint that happens to be large enough to serve a large group.
[34.84 --> 37.12]  I'm like, no, Alex, this is too much like paradise.
[37.86 --> 39.50]  Such a utopia could not exist.
[40.10 --> 41.72]  And so you're like, all right, I'll go check it out.
[42.68 --> 43.62]  Yeah, pretty much.
[43.78 --> 49.68]  I mean, so for those that aren't aware, we're having a meetup on the East Coast on April the 9th in Raleigh.
[49.82 --> 52.68]  Well, actually, it's a place just outside Raleigh called Nightdale, just to the east.
[52.68 --> 56.46]  But there's this park there called Nightdale Station.
[56.46 --> 60.28]  And on one side is a Texas-style barbecue joint.
[60.58 --> 65.08]  And on the other side is a local brewing company called Oak City Brewing.
[65.88 --> 70.74]  And so, you know, it's maybe a five-minute walk between the two places, if that, if you walk in slowly.
[71.40 --> 77.44]  And in the middle is like a kid's playground, a splash pad, like this little amphitheater-type thing with a stage.
[77.86 --> 78.82]  Oh, it's so nice.
[78.82 --> 85.78]  What's great is since we brought it up last episode, we now know that, yeah, I'm going.
[85.94 --> 87.04]  I've already bought my tickets.
[87.36 --> 87.42]  Yeah.
[87.78 --> 88.46]  My wife's going.
[88.82 --> 89.58]  Wes is going.
[89.96 --> 90.88]  Brent is going.
[91.18 --> 91.58]  Yes.
[92.12 --> 95.66]  And my co-host from Coda Radio, Mr. Dominic, is also going.
[95.80 --> 99.24]  Oh, I thought that was a super secret untold truth.
[99.24 --> 103.50]  Well, by the time this episode comes out, I think it'll be known.
[103.80 --> 104.28]  Oh, okay.
[104.40 --> 107.48]  So if not, then you know what self-hosted crew should know.
[107.66 --> 109.86]  I was worried we'd broken an NDA there.
[110.24 --> 110.92]  No, no.
[111.44 --> 112.18]  Besides, he won't listen.
[114.70 --> 115.84]  I'm really looking forward to it.
[115.84 --> 118.48]  Meetup.com slash Jupiter Broadcasting.
[118.48 --> 126.24]  Now then, in the spirit of trying not to feel too old, can you believe that the Raspberry Pi is 10 years old this week?
[126.94 --> 128.42]  That is something else, huh?
[129.12 --> 136.90]  I would have, if you would have asked me off the top of my head, I think I don't know if I would have guessed more than seven for some reason.
[137.02 --> 137.44]  You know what I mean?
[137.44 --> 146.04]  You know, for me, it's been very strange because I left a retail job and went and did an MSC and then got a job in my life.
[146.12 --> 151.84]  My life kind of started as an adult almost after I left that Apple retail job.
[152.10 --> 158.64]  And I know that I had a Raspberry Pi before then because that's how I started getting involved in Linux in the first place was Unraid.
[158.72 --> 159.56]  The before times.
[159.80 --> 160.90]  A Raspberry Pi, yeah.
[161.28 --> 165.94]  And yeah, for that to be 10 years ago, it just doesn't seem possible.
[166.94 --> 167.20]  Yeah.
[167.44 --> 169.68]  I still remember the introduction.
[170.74 --> 174.34]  Evan has a real distinct type of accent.
[174.58 --> 176.88]  And I know you all from over there, you have like different regions.
[177.02 --> 178.48]  What type is his accent?
[178.96 --> 180.62]  This is the guy that's the founder.
[181.52 --> 182.62]  We have a link in the show notes.
[182.72 --> 183.74]  I'm just going to go have a quick listen.
[184.40 --> 184.82]  Oh, yeah.
[184.86 --> 185.74]  You haven't heard it?
[185.74 --> 186.34]  It's unusual.
[186.60 --> 186.64]  Yeah.
[186.88 --> 187.14]  Yeah.
[187.46 --> 189.32]  You know who he sounds like?
[190.18 --> 194.14]  My equivalent would be Stuart from Bad Voltage.
[194.20 --> 195.10]  Sounds like Stuart to me.
[196.24 --> 196.94]  He sounds a bit like...
[196.94 --> 199.00]  He sounds a bit like that mixed with Popey.
[199.84 --> 200.14]  Yeah.
[200.78 --> 201.04]  Yeah.
[201.44 --> 202.14]  Right, right.
[202.14 --> 203.24]  I'd say he's home counties.
[203.56 --> 210.26]  So that means like southeast of England, sort of not inside London, but sort of the 50 miles in a big circle around London.
[210.72 --> 211.16]  Yeah.
[211.22 --> 211.42]  Okay.
[211.82 --> 212.02]  Yeah.
[212.02 --> 214.44]  But it's a unique voice for sure.
[214.44 --> 216.44]  He's a unique person.
[216.44 --> 223.44]  And he saw real value in getting the computer down to a price that is nearly affordable by anyone.
[223.86 --> 226.10]  And how important that would be for students too.
[226.60 --> 230.50]  Which is something we don't talk a lot about, but it's just so pivotal in those areas.
[230.50 --> 240.38]  Well, what's interesting is when Eben launched the Raspberry Pi, he writes that he only expected to sell somewhere between 1,000 and 5,000 units total.
[240.90 --> 244.76]  And now they've sold millions of them, which is an incredible achievement.
[244.76 --> 250.56]  But his use case for it was to get computers, cheap computers into classrooms.
[250.70 --> 252.52]  Because let's think back 10 years ago.
[252.94 --> 254.56]  What version of Windows were we on?
[254.66 --> 256.64]  Windows 7, I think?
[257.38 --> 257.80]  Yeah, maybe.
[258.26 --> 259.56]  Maybe 8 at that point.
[259.56 --> 261.82]  Probably most people on XP, really, let's be honest.
[261.98 --> 263.46]  Maybe it was Windows 8 at that point.
[264.46 --> 268.70]  Mac OS was, what, just probably exiting Snow Leopard era.
[269.42 --> 271.36]  You know, so a lot's changed in that 10 years.
[271.42 --> 273.08]  The iPhone was still very new.
[273.52 --> 279.02]  And, you know, people didn't have powerful phones and tablets and stuff in their pockets all the time.
[279.56 --> 282.56]  And so for the Raspberry Pi to come along in the schools seemed obvious.
[283.28 --> 284.88]  Chromebooks weren't really a thing yet.
[284.88 --> 290.76]  You know, it seemed obvious, but now it's a true hobbyist-grade tinkerer device.
[290.90 --> 294.00]  So there's this whole ecosystem around the Raspberry Pi.
[294.26 --> 297.18]  And I know that you find that a very powerful thing.
[298.04 --> 299.46]  I think that's the most important thing.
[299.80 --> 301.84]  And I don't even think it's just hobbyists, Alex.
[301.90 --> 309.86]  I feel like, I don't even know if they should be, but I feel like a lot of little products out there have a Raspberry Pi at the heart of them, like secretly.
[309.86 --> 317.90]  In that interview that we'll have linked in the show notes, Eben's talking about how officially the Foundation has put two Raspberry Pis on the International Space Station.
[318.02 --> 328.66]  But it turns out there's, like, way more actually up on the International Space Station just because a lot of the other products that NASA has deployed up there have Raspberry Pis built into them.
[328.90 --> 332.68]  Just as, you know, I guess it needs to be some heavy lifting or something.
[333.28 --> 333.52]  Yeah.
[333.74 --> 338.88]  I really, I find that both alarming and impressive at the same time.
[338.88 --> 344.28]  And I have to say, you know, for my use, the things are solid as a rock.
[344.62 --> 352.74]  I think for some reason early on they kind of got this reputation as unstable, not production-grade for some reason.
[353.14 --> 356.06]  And for the most case, I don't think that's ever been true.
[356.10 --> 357.70]  I think it's always just been a matter of resources.
[358.02 --> 360.68]  And recently they've been closing the gap on that.
[361.04 --> 367.92]  And, you know, I think we may even possibly be seeing a newer Pi if it wasn't for the supply chain shortages.
[368.88 --> 374.70]  You know, if you think back as well, it was Raspberry Pi OS and Ubuntu didn't support the Pis.
[375.48 --> 385.80]  I don't remember exactly when Ubuntu made an official Pi image, but that was a turning point for me in making the Pi more legitimate.
[385.80 --> 386.28]  Yeah.
[387.40 --> 388.28]  Oh, for sure.
[388.66 --> 391.08]  It's been great to see distro adoption.
[391.08 --> 397.22]  And I think the even bigger thing has been to see a lot of the Pi's hardware actually make it into the mainline kernel.
[397.66 --> 400.32]  That's been the really big thing because that's what took so long.
[400.48 --> 402.64]  It really took way too long for that to happen.
[402.64 --> 412.36]  And maybe one of the criticisms while we're still talking about the early days of the Raspberry Pi is like, we've kind of enumerated this on Linux Action News before, but they're not a Linux company, right?
[412.94 --> 414.34]  They're a hardware shop.
[414.54 --> 421.20]  And Linux is the operating system that allows them to run and ship the Raspberry Pi desktop, right?
[421.24 --> 422.76]  It's a means to an end.
[423.28 --> 426.00]  They didn't start the Raspberry Pi because they're Linux fans.
[426.24 --> 426.96]  You follow me?
[426.96 --> 436.10]  And so they don't necessarily always have great insight into how the Linux community expects things to work.
[436.26 --> 449.46]  And so they've done things in the past, like added Microsoft repos without saying anything to the distribution or, you know, maybe they just work on something for like two years and then just do a big code drop over the wall.
[449.46 --> 455.98]  And those things have been tricky for the free software community to assimilate, but I don't think they've ever been done out of malice.
[456.96 --> 457.92]  Maybe that's a good thing.
[458.52 --> 465.36]  You know, if everybody was beholden to the rules of the system, then they would never disrupt that system.
[466.04 --> 471.62]  You know, I'm not saying that everything the Pi Foundation has done is absolutely perfect.
[472.08 --> 475.38]  No company, no foundation, no charity, nothing like that is.
[475.38 --> 484.68]  But if you didn't have people that weren't beholden to that rules system, you know, that gatekeeper system, if you like, would we ever see any progress?
[485.04 --> 487.24]  Or would it be stymied progress, you know?
[487.38 --> 488.72]  So I don't know.
[488.76 --> 489.68]  Would it be chaos?
[490.66 --> 491.02]  Maybe.
[491.44 --> 491.84]  Maybe.
[492.24 --> 494.48]  I think that's being a little melodramatic, but...
[494.48 --> 495.76]  No, it'd be chaos, Alex!
[495.76 --> 504.66]  You know, the other thing to just think about Raspberry Pi is something we've talked about a lot on this show is their energy use.
[504.84 --> 508.98]  And Andrew wrote into the show and said energy costs here in the UK are just skyrocketing.
[509.36 --> 513.80]  I was just told my electricity bill is increasing by 80%.
[513.80 --> 514.50]  Yeah.
[515.16 --> 516.30]  Holy crap.
[516.40 --> 517.16]  Eight zero.
[517.16 --> 518.80]  Oh, man.
[518.90 --> 521.16]  And then another increase will be expected in October.
[521.58 --> 526.54]  My current system is an i3 with an Unraid and 40 terabytes of storage.
[527.34 --> 529.24]  And I'm running service loads in Docker.
[529.54 --> 533.00]  I also have two Raspberry Pis 3B running Pi Hole.
[533.28 --> 540.22]  And the entire setup uses around three kilowatt hours a day, which isn't bad, but it runs 25% of my electric bill.
[540.38 --> 542.88]  So I'm wondering if I can save any on that.
[542.88 --> 550.60]  I don't need to access my files 24-7 and notice that my Unraid does support S3 sleep, but I'd want some kind of automation around that.
[550.64 --> 552.92]  So I'm not always having to manually turn it on and off.
[553.22 --> 555.40]  Any thoughts or options, guys?
[556.14 --> 564.72]  Well, what's interesting is over the years, many people have asked me just a simple question, which I've just flippantly said no to, which is,
[564.84 --> 569.84]  should I worry about something simple like spinning down unused hard drives?
[569.84 --> 576.06]  And you think it's using three or four watts to keep that hard drive spinning?
[576.72 --> 577.64]  Who cares?
[577.84 --> 583.16]  It's a couple of pounds, maybe that a month, maybe even that across a year.
[583.80 --> 594.02]  Generally, the benchmark I used was one watt for an entire year powered on was about one pound, give or take.
[594.02 --> 600.18]  And that was when electricity prices were about 15 pence a kilowatt hour.
[600.32 --> 607.52]  What I'm seeing now in the UK is energy prices being 50 or 60 pence a kilowatt hour.
[607.70 --> 612.50]  And that is a massive, I don't need to tell you guys, a massive difference.
[612.90 --> 613.28]  Right.
[613.32 --> 615.96]  And that kind of changes the equation significantly.
[615.96 --> 621.94]  And so one of the angles we wanted to talk about on today's show was the energy usage of Raspberry Pis.
[622.16 --> 627.58]  Like, Chris, you can give us some really good insight from all of your monitoring you do in the RV and start to think about,
[627.70 --> 631.32]  does it make sense to have that old Dual Xeon box in the basement?
[632.24 --> 633.34]  Probably not anymore.
[633.60 --> 641.04]  Does it make sense to keep an old i3 system with, you know, 40 terabytes of storage like Andrew writes in?
[641.04 --> 642.98]  Well, it depends how many hard drives.
[643.04 --> 644.90]  Is hard drive density worth considering?
[645.14 --> 655.40]  You know, number of watts per drive doesn't change, but you can change the number of drives quite easily by going from, let's say, 10 4 terabyte drives to 4 10 terabyte drives.
[655.56 --> 660.70]  And that could save you the price of a drive at 50 pence a kilowatt hour within a year.
[661.58 --> 661.60]  Yeah.
[662.06 --> 663.26]  Oh, boy, Alex.
[663.34 --> 666.82]  So when I decided to go, actually, I'll back up.
[667.48 --> 671.00]  I'll back up and I'll address a few things I think you got to think about.
[671.60 --> 674.20]  Before you go this route and really go to the energy savings.
[674.42 --> 681.28]  So when I first started building the setup for Jupes, I built it around an x86 system, an x86 NAS based system.
[682.50 --> 684.46]  And I thought that was the way to go.
[685.02 --> 690.40]  Because I consider myself to be somebody who really optimizes for performance.
[690.90 --> 691.54]  You know, I like it.
[691.64 --> 693.52]  I like everything to be as fast as possible.
[693.52 --> 698.24]  Well, yeah, that's why I'll get a laptop with 64 gigs of RAM.
[698.32 --> 702.70]  So that way I know that three or four times a year I'm running five or six VMs at once.
[702.70 --> 703.94]  I'm going to have a fast system.
[703.94 --> 706.98]  And so I kind of went big.
[706.98 --> 711.70]  I went with a 12 terabyte array setup and an x86 box.
[712.22 --> 725.60]  And the issue immediately became the power usage because I'm in a very restricted environment where I am trying to run off solar and not use generator as much as possible, especially with the price of fuel getting higher.
[725.60 --> 731.06]  And so I pretty quickly pivoted to the Raspberry Pi after I asked myself a few basic questions.
[731.16 --> 732.70]  And this is what I want to convey to you all.
[733.00 --> 734.64]  How much performance do you really need?
[735.90 --> 737.90]  Initially, I would have said all of the performance.
[737.90 --> 744.86]  But then when I started thinking about it, I thought, well, do I really need 12 terabytes of videos here?
[745.06 --> 759.54]  Or could I offload some of those videos and ISO images and pictures and documents to somewhere where it's much cheaper to run that storage and then just cache two terabytes of local stuff?
[759.70 --> 762.14]  What's like the two terabytes of stuff I really needed?
[762.14 --> 772.38]  And then once I kind of started thinking about that, I realized, you know, if I optimized on my TV end, I actually don't even need GPU decoding support.
[772.74 --> 775.74]  And then all of a sudden, a Raspberry Pi is looking pretty good.
[775.94 --> 786.56]  If I know I have hardware decoding support in my set top box, then I just took a whole category of requirements away from my server box.
[786.74 --> 788.68]  And I started thinking about that a little bit more.
[788.76 --> 790.64]  I thought, well, how fast do I really need my CPU?
[790.64 --> 792.08]  How many applications am I running?
[792.14 --> 795.64]  And I threw up a Raspberry Pi 4 and I threw my applications on there.
[796.26 --> 799.92]  And I was blown away by the fact that I found it reasonable.
[800.14 --> 810.92]  And when I use my home assistant system or when I'm using Rantio or whatever you call it or sync thing generally, I can say, yeah, I think I could stand for it to be a tad faster.
[811.82 --> 821.36]  But my expectations are more about nailing that power envelope and less about nailing that performance envelope now.
[821.36 --> 830.78]  And so I'm perfectly willing to just have a slightly, slightly sluggish home assistant setup for just total, total optimization on the power side.
[831.14 --> 832.88]  And it was just a series of questions like that.
[832.96 --> 834.48]  I went through like, OK, how much storage do I need?
[834.54 --> 835.60]  How fast do I need this to be?
[835.68 --> 837.26]  What services am I actually going to use?
[837.26 --> 841.94]  Do I need to optimize for Grafana and Node Red?
[842.06 --> 847.60]  Do I really need to use those things or could I just get away with just home assistant and built in automations?
[847.60 --> 854.06]  And I kind of just decided simpler and lower power was better.
[854.56 --> 862.94]  And then I realized there's also all these benefits of the fact that because they're $35 computers, I can literally have a spec for spec spare sitting in a drawer.
[863.60 --> 865.42]  I can just pop right in.
[865.98 --> 867.60]  And so then I was like, well, all right.
[867.68 --> 872.16]  And I don't care if they melt, you know, changed all kinds of stuff at that point.
[872.16 --> 883.20]  But initially it was really just totally reassessing what are my actual performance requirements and being really honest with myself and realizing my family doesn't care if the stuff's not screaming fast, too.
[884.00 --> 887.16]  We were talking about this just before we pressed the record button.
[887.76 --> 893.40]  And, you know, let's take that 10 year lifespan of the Pi as a great example.
[893.96 --> 898.60]  You think about how capable an x86 box was 10 years ago.
[898.60 --> 902.48]  And you think about where the Raspberry Pi 4 is now as a line in the sand.
[902.68 --> 905.88]  And, you know, the Pi 4 is, what, two years old at this point?
[906.42 --> 912.02]  So it's already a generation behind what the Pi 5 may or may not be.
[913.22 --> 919.52]  And I look at what that x86 box gave me and, you know, the size of hard drives.
[919.64 --> 925.92]  You know, I can get 16, 18, 20 terabytes in a single external drive now.
[925.92 --> 930.56]  That used to be my entire server more than 10 years ago.
[930.94 --> 936.06]  And, yes, I know video sizes are bigger and et cetera, et cetera, and what have you.
[936.12 --> 941.50]  But this speaks to your point, Chris, is that there is a cost to everything.
[941.50 --> 949.86]  And if you want to hoard all the TV shows that God created, there is a cost to that.
[950.00 --> 953.56]  You know, not just in the number of platters that you need to have spinning,
[953.98 --> 959.66]  but obviously the energy required to have those platters spinning 24-7.
[959.88 --> 964.28]  So, you know, you can save quite a bit just by doing things like S3 Sleep with your server.
[964.28 --> 969.64]  You know, obviously if you do that, you have to bear in mind there's going to be some latency
[969.64 --> 974.34]  when you press play in Plex or Kodi or whatever it is,
[974.66 --> 978.40]  whilst the server wakes up and realizes what's going on and degrogs itself.
[979.36 --> 983.98]  But, you know, the other thing you could do is try starting small, small improvements.
[984.14 --> 990.04]  Like I said before, change your hard drive density or do things like hard drive spin down,
[990.04 --> 993.06]  that kind of thing, and just do the low-hanging fruit first,
[993.20 --> 995.84]  see what difference that makes, and then optimize from there.
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[1123.60 --> 1125.90]  That's linode.com slash ssh.
[1125.90 --> 1129.80]  So Christian writes in,
[1130.02 --> 1131.84]  my basement flooded last week,
[1132.08 --> 1134.62]  and I've been looking for the best
[1134.62 --> 1137.06]  leak detection sensor,
[1137.44 --> 1138.72]  and I was wondering if there's anything
[1138.72 --> 1140.20]  that either of you would recommend
[1140.20 --> 1141.66]  that's Wi-Fi based.
[1142.00 --> 1144.96]  I know there are some Zigbee and Z-Wave options,
[1145.34 --> 1147.10]  but specifically I'm hoping for Wi-Fi.
[1147.56 --> 1148.28]  Thanks, Christian.
[1149.28 --> 1150.42]  Ah, very good.
[1150.74 --> 1152.72]  I absolutely do recommend
[1152.72 --> 1154.72]  a few Z-Wave devices,
[1155.16 --> 1156.22]  but I, you know,
[1156.30 --> 1157.22]  I think I know of a,
[1158.02 --> 1159.72]  I'm not sure if it's Wi-Fi or not.
[1160.22 --> 1161.22]  Gosh, Wi-Fi, Alex,
[1161.24 --> 1162.36]  do you know any off the top of your head
[1162.36 --> 1163.36]  that are good Wi-Fi devices?
[1163.50 --> 1163.92]  I don't,
[1163.98 --> 1165.52]  and I think the problem with the Wi-Fi
[1165.52 --> 1166.58]  in that situation
[1166.58 --> 1168.14]  is just the energy usage.
[1168.58 --> 1169.50]  Unless you're going to leave
[1169.50 --> 1171.46]  the water sensor plugged in all the time,
[1172.04 --> 1173.84]  which, if it's a water sensor,
[1174.58 --> 1176.28]  you probably don't want to do.
[1177.50 --> 1179.26]  Wi-Fi is just too power hungry.
[1179.26 --> 1182.80]  I know that in my attic right now
[1182.80 --> 1185.04]  and underneath my air conditioning unit,
[1185.36 --> 1186.62]  I have one of those
[1186.62 --> 1189.96]  Aotec water leak sensors at Zigbee,
[1190.24 --> 1191.76]  and that just plugs straight into Home Assistant
[1191.76 --> 1192.94]  using the Con B2.
[1193.06 --> 1193.82]  That works perfect.
[1194.38 --> 1195.74]  That's the one I recommend
[1195.74 --> 1198.06]  if you are a Ring user.
[1198.62 --> 1200.66]  Ring actually makes a water sensor.
[1201.16 --> 1201.98]  That's Z-Wave,
[1202.10 --> 1205.28]  but Ring manages all the Z-Wave stuffs for you.
[1205.54 --> 1206.50]  So maybe that's easier.
[1206.66 --> 1207.02]  I don't know.
[1207.02 --> 1209.58]  But honestly, for this kind of thing,
[1210.30 --> 1211.56]  this, if you could,
[1211.62 --> 1212.58]  really is the chance
[1212.58 --> 1214.48]  to get into something like Z-Wave or Zigbee,
[1214.68 --> 1215.32]  get the stick,
[1215.58 --> 1216.44]  and do that kind of stuff.
[1216.78 --> 1218.38]  But if you know of
[1218.38 --> 1220.36]  a better way with Wi-Fi,
[1220.48 --> 1221.36]  I'd totally love to know,
[1221.42 --> 1223.04]  especially if it does work with Home Assistant.
[1223.56 --> 1225.16]  Let us know at selfhosted.show
[1225.16 --> 1225.84]  slash contact,
[1225.98 --> 1226.58]  or even better,
[1227.00 --> 1227.86]  send us a boost
[1227.86 --> 1229.52]  with a new podcast app
[1229.52 --> 1231.04]  that supports value for value
[1231.04 --> 1232.46]  at newpodcastapps.com.
[1232.46 --> 1234.22]  I thought we'd go for a little trip
[1234.22 --> 1235.36]  down memory lane here
[1235.36 --> 1238.70]  with some interesting Raspberry Pi projects.
[1239.30 --> 1240.76]  And one of my first ever
[1240.76 --> 1242.80]  Raspberry Pi projects use cases
[1242.80 --> 1243.92]  was actually,
[1244.06 --> 1245.68]  this was before I got the NVIDIA Shield,
[1245.76 --> 1247.68]  and I was still on the hunt
[1247.68 --> 1250.42]  for a media center PC.
[1250.84 --> 1252.82]  I used to have an actual computer
[1252.82 --> 1254.60]  as my home theater PC,
[1254.74 --> 1255.98]  like a madman.
[1255.98 --> 1259.68]  And along came the Raspberry Pi
[1259.68 --> 1262.12]  with its MPEG-2 hardware decoder.
[1262.82 --> 1264.54]  And I threw something called
[1264.54 --> 1265.66]  RaspbMC on it,
[1265.70 --> 1266.54]  which was written by a chap
[1266.54 --> 1268.18]  called Sam Nazarko at the time,
[1268.82 --> 1271.54]  which was just an XBMC kind of build
[1271.54 --> 1273.34]  for the original Raspberry Pi.
[1274.80 --> 1275.44]  In my opinion,
[1275.56 --> 1277.00]  especially like with the Pi 3,
[1277.38 --> 1279.46]  this was the use case.
[1280.02 --> 1281.80]  The use case for me.
[1281.98 --> 1283.52]  Like it wasn't server ready,
[1283.74 --> 1284.52]  the early Pi's,
[1284.52 --> 1288.08]  but the use case was XBMC,
[1288.28 --> 1288.58]  Cody,
[1289.28 --> 1291.04]  and hooking it up to the television.
[1291.58 --> 1292.34]  The other use case,
[1292.48 --> 1292.86]  funny enough,
[1292.92 --> 1294.06]  also involved hooking it up
[1294.06 --> 1295.36]  to a screen in HDMI is,
[1295.76 --> 1297.18]  I know my buddy Noah would go around
[1297.18 --> 1297.92]  and put them on the back
[1297.92 --> 1298.92]  of monitors in studio
[1298.92 --> 1300.58]  and use them for countdown clocks
[1300.58 --> 1302.92]  and like IRC chatroom dedicated systems.
[1303.00 --> 1303.92]  And the beauty was,
[1304.26 --> 1306.10]  it's just the monitor
[1306.10 --> 1307.30]  because the Raspberry Pi
[1307.30 --> 1308.32]  would be like taped,
[1308.92 --> 1310.38]  duct taped to the back of the screen.
[1311.76 --> 1313.58]  And it's great for that kind of stuff too.
[1313.58 --> 1315.06]  Just like driver display.
[1315.86 --> 1315.94]  Yeah.
[1316.00 --> 1316.68]  And so obviously,
[1316.96 --> 1318.62]  Raspberry MC became
[1318.62 --> 1320.14]  or morphed into
[1320.14 --> 1321.56]  open source media center,
[1321.68 --> 1322.20]  OSMC.
[1322.56 --> 1324.42]  And they have now got their own website
[1324.42 --> 1325.44]  and a whole bunch of hardware
[1325.44 --> 1326.14]  that they offer,
[1326.36 --> 1326.88]  you know,
[1327.06 --> 1328.26]  specifically cases,
[1328.50 --> 1329.08]  generally speaking,
[1329.08 --> 1330.12]  for the Raspberry Pis.
[1330.52 --> 1331.58]  But I saw an interesting thing
[1331.58 --> 1332.84]  on Kickstarter this week.
[1333.42 --> 1334.48]  It's a bit old,
[1334.66 --> 1335.56]  but I think they're starting
[1335.56 --> 1336.92]  to actually ship units now.
[1336.96 --> 1338.48]  It was from late last year.
[1338.48 --> 1340.54]  From the people
[1340.54 --> 1341.98]  that make the Argon case,
[1342.06 --> 1343.50]  they've made a new NAS case
[1343.50 --> 1344.44]  called the Eon.
[1344.88 --> 1345.62]  What do you think of this?
[1346.34 --> 1347.20]  This is too cool.
[1347.66 --> 1347.94]  I mean,
[1347.96 --> 1349.64]  this is seriously too cool for school.
[1350.18 --> 1351.88]  This looks like some Cylon system
[1351.88 --> 1353.60]  from Battlestar Galactica.
[1354.08 --> 1354.14]  Like,
[1354.44 --> 1356.52]  really cool looking.
[1357.08 --> 1357.98]  This has got to be
[1357.98 --> 1359.06]  the sleekest case ever.
[1359.52 --> 1359.68]  Okay,
[1359.76 --> 1361.06]  so let me walk you through it.
[1361.06 --> 1363.64]  this thing has space
[1363.64 --> 1366.04]  for four SATA hard drives.
[1366.26 --> 1367.18]  For some reason,
[1367.76 --> 1368.64]  they can only take
[1368.64 --> 1369.60]  two 3.5
[1369.60 --> 1372.20]  and two 2.5 hard drives
[1372.20 --> 1374.54]  because of the shape
[1374.54 --> 1375.18]  of the enclosure.
[1375.60 --> 1376.70]  It doesn't make any sense
[1376.70 --> 1377.26]  to me either.
[1377.44 --> 1378.68]  I see you pulling a face
[1378.68 --> 1379.42]  at the other end.
[1379.86 --> 1380.16]  Yeah.
[1380.44 --> 1382.38]  They call it a cyberpunk-inspired
[1382.38 --> 1383.96]  design with space-grade aluminum.
[1384.48 --> 1386.96]  It's in a triangular tower shape
[1386.96 --> 1389.62]  with a metal bottom
[1389.62 --> 1392.92]  and dark black glass sides
[1392.92 --> 1395.18]  with metal trim.
[1395.66 --> 1397.02]  And then the Pi goes
[1397.02 --> 1398.26]  in the bottom section
[1398.26 --> 1399.90]  and then the hard drives,
[1400.02 --> 1400.86]  they go in the top
[1400.86 --> 1402.08]  of the stack vertically.
[1402.54 --> 1403.00]  So you imagine
[1403.00 --> 1404.02]  a triangle tower
[1404.02 --> 1404.90]  that goes up
[1404.90 --> 1407.12]  and then there's SATA hard drives
[1407.12 --> 1408.14]  that slide in top
[1408.14 --> 1409.12]  like a toaster oven
[1409.12 --> 1410.36]  and plug into
[1410.36 --> 1411.88]  a little SATA daughter card
[1411.88 --> 1413.18]  that is then hooked back
[1413.18 --> 1414.22]  into a Raspberry Pi.
[1415.18 --> 1415.36]  I mean,
[1415.38 --> 1416.02]  it looks great
[1416.02 --> 1418.56]  if they made a version
[1418.56 --> 1419.28]  that fit
[1419.28 --> 1421.82]  four 3.5-inch hard drives,
[1422.30 --> 1423.60]  this would pretty much be
[1423.60 --> 1425.62]  the perfect
[1425.62 --> 1426.76]  low-power
[1426.76 --> 1427.90]  energy prices
[1427.90 --> 1428.36]  are going through
[1428.36 --> 1429.22]  the roof home now,
[1429.30 --> 1429.60]  wouldn't it?
[1430.28 --> 1430.78]  Yeah,
[1430.82 --> 1432.02]  the only downside is,
[1432.26 --> 1434.48]  and I do appreciate
[1434.48 --> 1435.30]  the build
[1435.30 --> 1436.76]  of materials here
[1436.76 --> 1437.98]  is more expensive
[1437.98 --> 1439.06]  than your average bear,
[1439.76 --> 1440.06]  but
[1440.06 --> 1441.56]  the dang thing's like
[1441.56 --> 1442.90]  on the low end,
[1443.56 --> 1444.44]  $730
[1444.44 --> 1446.06]  without the Raspberry Pi.
[1446.26 --> 1447.30]  That's the only gotcha,
[1447.30 --> 1447.56]  right,
[1447.62 --> 1448.64]  is you take something
[1448.64 --> 1449.56]  that is such a beautiful
[1449.56 --> 1450.46]  budget machine
[1450.46 --> 1452.68]  and after you add Pi
[1452.68 --> 1453.44]  and drives,
[1453.54 --> 1454.06]  you're like sitting
[1454.06 --> 1454.70]  at $1,500
[1454.70 --> 1455.66]  all in.
[1456.38 --> 1456.64]  Okay,
[1456.96 --> 1458.88]  that's a bit
[1458.88 --> 1459.30]  of an
[1459.30 --> 1462.04]  unclearable obstacle.
[1462.48 --> 1462.80]  Jesus,
[1462.80 --> 1464.04]  $730,
[1464.36 --> 1465.00]  I didn't see that.
[1465.38 --> 1466.00]  Then again,
[1466.14 --> 1467.28]  if you're shopping
[1467.28 --> 1468.20]  for low power,
[1469.08 --> 1469.28]  you know,
[1469.32 --> 1469.88]  if you put
[1469.88 --> 1470.82]  solid states
[1470.82 --> 1471.62]  in this thing,
[1472.62 --> 1473.48]  it would be
[1473.48 --> 1474.80]  a pretty low-power NAS,
[1474.94 --> 1475.98]  and so that initial
[1475.98 --> 1476.92]  upfront cost
[1476.92 --> 1477.66]  these days
[1477.66 --> 1479.84]  may be justifiable
[1479.84 --> 1480.12]  if,
[1480.58 --> 1480.74]  you know,
[1480.76 --> 1481.80]  over a five-year period
[1481.80 --> 1482.68]  the power draws
[1482.68 --> 1484.74]  80% less
[1484.74 --> 1485.70]  than an equivalent
[1485.70 --> 1486.36]  PC NAS.
[1486.48 --> 1486.90]  Maybe,
[1487.08 --> 1488.00]  but you have to keep it
[1488.00 --> 1488.66]  for five years.
[1488.72 --> 1489.48]  You can't get bored
[1489.48 --> 1490.02]  after two
[1490.02 --> 1490.56]  and then buy
[1490.56 --> 1491.24]  something else.
[1493.46 --> 1493.86]  Yeah,
[1493.94 --> 1494.12]  you know,
[1494.16 --> 1494.88]  the Pi 5 is just
[1494.88 --> 1495.62]  around the corner too
[1495.62 --> 1496.02]  and you're probably
[1496.02 --> 1496.32]  going to have to
[1496.32 --> 1496.96]  throw out the whole
[1496.96 --> 1497.96]  bottom end of this thing.
[1498.38 --> 1498.78]  Exactly.
[1499.52 --> 1500.34]  This is actually
[1500.34 --> 1501.20]  what the compute module
[1501.20 --> 1502.08]  is perfect for.
[1502.50 --> 1503.30]  And I think
[1503.30 --> 1505.42]  the compute module
[1505.42 --> 1506.28]  for me,
[1506.40 --> 1507.36]  the Raspberry Pi 4
[1507.36 --> 1508.14]  compute module,
[1508.38 --> 1508.76]  the CM,
[1508.94 --> 1509.56]  as they call it,
[1509.94 --> 1510.82]  takes it to the
[1510.82 --> 1511.88]  whole next level,
[1512.06 --> 1512.30]  right?
[1512.38 --> 1513.36]  Because you get
[1513.36 --> 1514.70]  much more connectivity
[1514.70 --> 1516.06]  with these carrier boards.
[1516.34 --> 1517.82]  You get PCI slots
[1517.82 --> 1518.38]  potentially,
[1518.66 --> 1518.96]  you can get
[1518.96 --> 1519.50]  SATA ports
[1519.50 --> 1520.10]  potentially.
[1521.72 --> 1522.62]  This one that I've
[1522.62 --> 1523.16]  been experimenting
[1523.16 --> 1523.56]  with,
[1523.60 --> 1524.26]  it has dual
[1524.26 --> 1525.42]  PCI gigabit
[1525.42 --> 1525.86]  NICs
[1525.86 --> 1527.20]  on the carrier board.
[1528.24 --> 1529.68]  So I feel like
[1529.68 --> 1530.88]  the compute module
[1530.88 --> 1531.88]  is really where
[1531.88 --> 1532.48]  this kind of,
[1532.66 --> 1533.50]  this Argon
[1533.50 --> 1534.46]  Pi NAS,
[1534.80 --> 1535.40]  what it really
[1535.40 --> 1536.14]  should be
[1536.14 --> 1537.54]  is the carrier,
[1537.70 --> 1538.30]  it should be its own
[1538.30 --> 1539.06]  carrier board
[1539.06 --> 1540.16]  with these SATA ports
[1540.16 --> 1540.56]  and everything
[1540.56 --> 1541.80]  and then you open
[1541.80 --> 1542.40]  up the bottom
[1542.40 --> 1543.68]  and you pop in
[1543.68 --> 1544.42]  a CM4
[1544.42 --> 1545.64]  or CM5
[1545.64 --> 1546.26]  or whatever it is,
[1546.28 --> 1546.46]  right?
[1546.80 --> 1547.16]  Absolutely.
[1547.88 --> 1548.62]  As long as it's
[1548.62 --> 1549.26]  future-proofed
[1549.26 --> 1549.84]  for at least,
[1550.44 --> 1550.80]  I don't know,
[1551.04 --> 1551.32]  three,
[1551.58 --> 1552.26]  four generations
[1552.26 --> 1552.72]  of Pi,
[1552.80 --> 1553.18]  something like that.
[1553.18 --> 1553.44]  Well,
[1553.92 --> 1554.26]  you know,
[1554.32 --> 1555.28]  maybe if they made
[1555.28 --> 1556.82]  the carrier board
[1556.82 --> 1558.50]  modular or something
[1558.50 --> 1559.62]  because they don't,
[1559.74 --> 1559.84]  I mean,
[1559.90 --> 1560.44]  how do they know
[1560.44 --> 1561.64]  if maybe the Raspberry Pi
[1561.64 --> 1562.36]  folks decide
[1562.36 --> 1563.38]  they change the interface?
[1563.48 --> 1564.26]  Although probably not.
[1564.34 --> 1565.10]  I bet you it's something
[1565.10 --> 1565.80]  they remain pretty
[1565.80 --> 1566.76]  consistent on.
[1566.98 --> 1567.52]  I hope so
[1567.52 --> 1567.94]  because you look
[1567.94 --> 1569.04]  at the GPIO pins
[1569.04 --> 1570.08]  and they've been
[1570.08 --> 1572.00]  remarkably unchanged.
[1572.30 --> 1573.06]  They haven't changed
[1573.06 --> 1573.66]  at all since
[1573.66 --> 1574.44]  the very first Pi.
[1574.44 --> 1574.66]  Yeah.
[1574.66 --> 1575.92]  Even with the zeros.
[1576.80 --> 1576.94]  Yeah.
[1577.28 --> 1577.66]  Yeah,
[1577.72 --> 1579.16]  so it's potential.
[1579.32 --> 1579.70]  I think it has
[1579.70 --> 1580.24]  real potential.
[1580.72 --> 1581.32]  I don't think
[1581.32 --> 1582.42]  the accessory market
[1582.42 --> 1583.22]  and the high-end
[1583.22 --> 1584.08]  enthusiast market
[1584.08 --> 1585.36]  has wrapped its head
[1585.36 --> 1586.36]  around the CM4 yet
[1586.36 --> 1587.34]  just because of
[1587.34 --> 1588.28]  the supply chain shortage.
[1588.36 --> 1588.72]  It's so hard
[1588.72 --> 1589.26]  to get them.
[1589.44 --> 1589.94]  They're too hard
[1589.94 --> 1590.28]  to get,
[1590.38 --> 1590.52]  yeah.
[1590.84 --> 1591.90]  I won't build
[1591.90 --> 1593.84]  a Pi-based server system
[1593.84 --> 1595.64]  without the CM4 now.
[1595.70 --> 1596.34]  That's the only way
[1596.34 --> 1596.90]  I'm going to build these.
[1596.96 --> 1597.70]  I'm not going to use
[1597.70 --> 1599.64]  a standard Raspberry Pi
[1599.64 --> 1600.92]  for carrier board anymore.
[1601.32 --> 1602.10]  And you can also get
[1602.10 --> 1602.56]  some of these
[1602.56 --> 1603.74]  with EMMC on there
[1603.74 --> 1605.18]  so you're not stuck
[1605.18 --> 1606.92]  to using dumb old SD cards.
[1607.20 --> 1608.38]  It's like everything
[1608.38 --> 1609.14]  I've always wanted
[1609.14 --> 1610.38]  in a Raspberry Pi.
[1610.92 --> 1611.90]  So let me ask you
[1611.90 --> 1612.38]  a question.
[1612.66 --> 1613.82]  What's your body count
[1613.82 --> 1615.00]  of Pi's right now?
[1615.76 --> 1616.24]  Well,
[1616.84 --> 1618.76]  I mean,
[1618.78 --> 1620.10]  I definitely have
[1620.10 --> 1621.16]  five or six
[1621.16 --> 1622.22]  Raspberry Pi's
[1622.22 --> 1622.88]  and then I have
[1622.88 --> 1624.10]  two CM4s
[1624.10 --> 1625.96]  which I felt silly
[1625.96 --> 1626.84]  when I bought them,
[1627.12 --> 1627.66]  my CM4s.
[1627.70 --> 1627.78]  I'm like,
[1627.78 --> 1628.48]  I don't really need
[1628.48 --> 1629.34]  these right now.
[1629.80 --> 1630.72]  And now I'm so glad
[1630.72 --> 1631.42]  I have all these
[1631.42 --> 1632.12]  because they're
[1632.56 --> 1633.38]  I'm not going to get
[1633.38 --> 1634.30]  any for a while.
[1634.44 --> 1635.06]  It sounds like maybe
[1635.06 --> 1635.68]  even another couple
[1635.68 --> 1636.32]  of years really
[1636.32 --> 1637.58]  before supplies
[1637.58 --> 1638.28]  return to normal.
[1639.24 --> 1640.28]  And I love them.
[1641.06 --> 1641.60]  I think I have
[1641.60 --> 1642.56]  about the same number.
[1642.74 --> 1643.46]  I know I mocked you
[1643.46 --> 1644.30]  in a previous episode
[1644.30 --> 1645.20]  for having too many
[1645.20 --> 1646.36]  and we staged
[1646.36 --> 1647.36]  a Pi intervention,
[1647.64 --> 1648.64]  but I've got
[1648.64 --> 1650.84]  two Pi 4s
[1650.84 --> 1653.18]  on two 3D printers.
[1653.56 --> 1654.52]  I've got another one
[1654.52 --> 1655.26]  running my DNS.
[1655.90 --> 1656.66]  I've got another one
[1656.66 --> 1657.10]  in the UK
[1657.10 --> 1658.16]  doing backup stuff
[1658.16 --> 1659.06]  at my sister's house.
[1659.06 --> 1660.44]  I've got
[1660.44 --> 1662.58]  seven Raspberry Pis
[1662.58 --> 1663.52]  now I think about it.
[1664.88 --> 1665.14]  You know what we
[1665.14 --> 1665.78]  ought to do, right?
[1666.28 --> 1667.20]  Bring them all together.
[1668.06 --> 1668.86]  Giant Pi cluster.
[1669.96 --> 1670.38]  You know,
[1670.72 --> 1671.76]  this is something actually
[1671.76 --> 1672.90]  that I didn't put
[1672.90 --> 1673.46]  in the show notes
[1673.46 --> 1673.90]  but now I'm going
[1673.90 --> 1674.56]  to talk about it
[1674.56 --> 1676.06]  is the use case
[1676.06 --> 1677.14]  for Raspberry Pis
[1677.14 --> 1678.94]  as Kubernetes clusters
[1678.94 --> 1681.28]  like compute units.
[1681.74 --> 1681.96]  Right.
[1682.34 --> 1683.14]  Forgive me
[1683.14 --> 1684.94]  but I don't get it.
[1685.64 --> 1686.90]  It's about training
[1686.90 --> 1687.46]  in my opinion.
[1687.46 --> 1688.44]  Maybe,
[1688.68 --> 1689.46]  but then you're running
[1689.46 --> 1691.34]  ARM code
[1691.34 --> 1691.96]  and it's always
[1691.96 --> 1693.06]  a bit hit and miss.
[1693.82 --> 1694.44]  No, no, no.
[1694.54 --> 1695.24]  I think you've got to
[1695.24 --> 1697.42]  think about it, Alex,
[1697.54 --> 1698.80]  from like the whole
[1698.80 --> 1700.44]  base principles
[1700.44 --> 1702.48]  like just grasping
[1702.48 --> 1704.70]  provisioning devices
[1704.70 --> 1705.72]  at scale.
[1706.06 --> 1706.22]  Maybe.
[1707.00 --> 1707.90]  Because I'll tell you
[1707.90 --> 1708.54]  why I say this
[1708.54 --> 1710.10]  is I had a buddy
[1710.10 --> 1711.46]  who had like one of these
[1711.46 --> 1712.28]  you've probably seen
[1712.28 --> 1713.84]  these Pi racks
[1713.84 --> 1715.06]  that you got like
[1715.06 --> 1716.82]  a dozen Pis
[1716.82 --> 1717.30]  in like the
[1717.30 --> 1718.10]  acrylic rack.
[1718.22 --> 1718.82]  They look badass
[1718.82 --> 1720.12]  and I really want one
[1720.12 --> 1721.44]  because of how cool it looks.
[1721.98 --> 1722.56]  Yeah, and I was like
[1722.56 --> 1723.50]  so what do you got this for, right?
[1723.56 --> 1724.14]  I mean obviously
[1724.14 --> 1725.70]  it's a conversation starter, right?
[1726.30 --> 1728.16]  And he was starting
[1728.16 --> 1728.96]  just starting
[1728.96 --> 1730.10]  some training course
[1730.10 --> 1732.12]  on learning Kubernetes
[1732.12 --> 1732.90]  and all of that
[1732.90 --> 1734.62]  and being able
[1734.62 --> 1735.24]  to provision
[1735.24 --> 1736.32]  all of those machines
[1736.32 --> 1736.78]  right there
[1736.78 --> 1737.82]  by clicking some buttons
[1737.82 --> 1738.20]  it like
[1738.20 --> 1739.04]  it totally
[1739.04 --> 1740.28]  wrapped his head around
[1740.28 --> 1741.44]  what it was he was learning.
[1741.62 --> 1742.08]  It like brought
[1742.08 --> 1743.24]  it made it all real for him.
[1744.30 --> 1744.52]  And you know
[1744.52 --> 1744.92]  he doesn't do it
[1744.92 --> 1745.80]  on Raspberry Pis anymore.
[1745.80 --> 1747.92]  I've always thought
[1747.92 --> 1748.86]  you know
[1748.86 --> 1750.84]  just spin up
[1750.84 --> 1752.24]  30 VMs
[1752.24 --> 1753.00]  who needs all the hardware?
[1753.32 --> 1754.88]  But if you got the Pis
[1754.88 --> 1755.36]  laying around
[1755.36 --> 1756.40]  it is a fun project.
[1756.88 --> 1757.26]  Well that was always
[1757.26 --> 1757.84]  my argument
[1757.84 --> 1758.78]  was you know
[1758.78 --> 1760.42]  one x86 box
[1760.42 --> 1761.18]  could replace
[1761.18 --> 1763.76]  40 Raspberry Pis
[1763.76 --> 1764.06]  but
[1764.06 --> 1766.52]  there is a bare metal angle
[1766.52 --> 1767.72]  to provisioning
[1767.72 --> 1768.28]  Raspberry Pis
[1768.28 --> 1769.26]  and picture booting
[1769.26 --> 1769.92]  and all sorts of
[1769.92 --> 1770.18]  you know
[1770.18 --> 1771.60]  all sorts of fun stuff
[1771.60 --> 1772.56]  you can do with them.
[1772.70 --> 1773.06]  So I mean
[1773.06 --> 1774.14]  there is a use case.
[1774.14 --> 1775.38]  Like my grandmother
[1775.38 --> 1775.82]  used to say
[1775.82 --> 1776.90]  turn off that damn light
[1776.90 --> 1777.28]  what do you got
[1777.28 --> 1778.42]  stock in the electric company?
[1779.54 --> 1779.76]  You know
[1779.76 --> 1780.72]  there is that angle now too.
[1780.88 --> 1781.62]  It's a whole new world.
[1782.34 --> 1783.80]  I have a bit of a fun story
[1783.80 --> 1784.64]  to share on the show
[1784.64 --> 1785.96]  which I've been meaning
[1785.96 --> 1787.16]  to tell for a little while
[1787.16 --> 1788.14]  it's only a little one
[1788.14 --> 1789.56]  about the
[1789.56 --> 1790.66]  genesis
[1790.66 --> 1791.38]  of the
[1791.38 --> 1792.14]  Heimdall
[1792.14 --> 1793.26]  Docker dashboard.
[1794.16 --> 1794.34]  So
[1794.34 --> 1795.86]  back in
[1795.86 --> 1796.84]  I don't know
[1796.84 --> 1798.42]  three, four, five years ago
[1798.42 --> 1799.20]  something like that
[1799.20 --> 1800.10]  when I was still
[1800.10 --> 1801.10]  with Linux server
[1801.10 --> 1803.50]  one of the devs
[1803.50 --> 1804.04]  over there
[1804.04 --> 1804.60]  Cody
[1804.60 --> 1805.26]  who's actually
[1805.26 --> 1805.96]  the lead dev
[1805.96 --> 1807.36]  behind fanart.tv
[1807.36 --> 1808.80]  I said to him
[1808.80 --> 1809.22]  one morning
[1809.22 --> 1810.22]  on IRC
[1810.22 --> 1811.28]  I'd love it
[1811.28 --> 1812.24]  if we had
[1812.24 --> 1813.44]  a single app
[1813.44 --> 1814.22]  that I could load
[1814.22 --> 1815.16]  that just had
[1815.16 --> 1816.04]  a bunch of icons
[1816.04 --> 1817.60]  with each of my
[1817.60 --> 1819.28]  containers running on it
[1819.28 --> 1820.60]  but was also
[1820.60 --> 1821.70]  smart enough
[1821.70 --> 1822.62]  to figure out
[1822.62 --> 1823.28]  which containers
[1823.28 --> 1824.04]  were actually running
[1824.04 --> 1825.04]  and talk a little bit
[1825.04 --> 1825.38]  to them
[1825.38 --> 1826.34]  and just show me
[1826.34 --> 1827.00]  a couple of nuggets
[1827.00 --> 1828.24]  of data about each app
[1828.24 --> 1830.06]  and that single idea
[1830.06 --> 1831.26]  spawned Heimdall
[1831.26 --> 1831.62]  so I mean
[1831.62 --> 1832.48]  I'm not going to claim
[1832.48 --> 1833.70]  total credit for Heimdall
[1833.70 --> 1835.04]  because he wrote the thing
[1835.04 --> 1836.42]  but
[1836.42 --> 1837.94]  that idea
[1837.94 --> 1838.40]  was actually
[1838.40 --> 1839.04]  stolen
[1839.04 --> 1841.28]  from an internal
[1841.28 --> 1842.08]  Red Hat system
[1842.08 --> 1842.56]  that we have
[1842.56 --> 1843.16]  called Rover
[1843.16 --> 1844.42]  which is just
[1844.42 --> 1845.34]  a bunch of icons
[1845.34 --> 1846.00]  on a screen
[1846.00 --> 1847.40]  which
[1847.40 --> 1848.18]  and you can pin
[1848.18 --> 1848.70]  favorites
[1848.70 --> 1849.48]  and that kind of thing
[1849.48 --> 1849.88]  and I thought
[1849.88 --> 1850.64]  you know
[1850.64 --> 1851.84]  that would be pretty cool
[1851.84 --> 1852.32]  if I had that
[1852.32 --> 1853.10]  for my home server
[1853.10 --> 1855.26]  and since then
[1855.26 --> 1856.04]  there have been
[1856.04 --> 1856.98]  a proliferation
[1856.98 --> 1858.66]  of home dashboards
[1858.66 --> 1859.30]  that we see
[1859.30 --> 1859.98]  all over the
[1859.98 --> 1860.92]  self-hosted subreddit
[1860.92 --> 1861.60]  all the time
[1861.60 --> 1863.56]  People love their
[1863.56 --> 1864.90]  dashboards over there
[1864.90 --> 1866.06]  oh my god
[1866.06 --> 1866.86]  they should have
[1866.86 --> 1868.28]  a no dashboard filter
[1868.28 --> 1869.06]  and take out
[1869.06 --> 1870.06]  probably 70%
[1870.06 --> 1870.70]  of the content
[1870.70 --> 1871.98]  and I've actually
[1871.98 --> 1873.08]  just recently decided
[1873.08 --> 1873.88]  I'm going to break down
[1873.88 --> 1874.52]  and do this
[1874.52 --> 1875.44]  not so much
[1875.44 --> 1876.54]  for myself necessarily
[1876.54 --> 1877.34]  but actually
[1877.34 --> 1879.12]  for the spouse
[1879.12 --> 1880.26]  so that she has
[1880.26 --> 1880.76]  a bookmark
[1880.76 --> 1881.54]  she can go to
[1881.54 --> 1882.12]  and figure out
[1882.12 --> 1882.70]  what's going on
[1882.70 --> 1883.36]  when I'm not around
[1883.36 --> 1883.92]  Yes
[1883.92 --> 1885.06]  super important
[1885.06 --> 1885.92]  in getting my father
[1885.92 --> 1886.62]  on board with it
[1886.62 --> 1887.90]  when I set his server
[1887.90 --> 1888.32]  up for him
[1888.32 --> 1888.78]  last summer
[1888.78 --> 1890.12]  was I did a Homer
[1890.12 --> 1890.58]  dashboard
[1890.58 --> 1892.16]  and for him
[1892.16 --> 1893.18]  he doesn't really
[1893.18 --> 1894.38]  want to have to learn
[1894.38 --> 1895.00]  the nuances
[1895.00 --> 1895.64]  of all the different
[1895.64 --> 1896.26]  domain names
[1896.26 --> 1897.12]  I set up for him
[1897.12 --> 1898.50]  so for him
[1898.50 --> 1899.16]  he just goes to
[1899.16 --> 1901.06]  home.domain
[1901.06 --> 1902.00]  and that's all
[1902.00 --> 1902.54]  he has to remember
[1902.54 --> 1903.10]  is just to type
[1903.10 --> 1904.00]  home into the address
[1904.00 --> 1904.84]  bar and up it comes
[1904.84 --> 1906.12]  and then all of the
[1906.12 --> 1907.00]  services are just there
[1907.00 --> 1907.90]  as a nice icon
[1907.90 --> 1909.32]  there are lots of others
[1909.32 --> 1909.98]  that I've used
[1909.98 --> 1910.60]  over the years
[1910.60 --> 1912.40]  Flame stands out
[1912.40 --> 1913.16]  as being a good one
[1913.16 --> 1914.50]  this one is quite
[1914.50 --> 1914.94]  minimalist
[1914.94 --> 1915.62]  it's just a bunch
[1915.62 --> 1916.46]  of text links
[1916.46 --> 1917.34]  that you can customize
[1917.34 --> 1919.16]  with absolutely
[1919.16 --> 1920.06]  no interactivity
[1920.06 --> 1920.50]  whatsoever
[1920.50 --> 1921.68]  but it's quite
[1921.68 --> 1922.86]  pleasing to look at
[1922.86 --> 1924.10]  another one that's
[1924.10 --> 1924.76]  quite popular
[1924.76 --> 1925.76]  is Organizer
[1925.76 --> 1926.38]  and this one
[1926.38 --> 1927.22]  puts stuff behind
[1927.22 --> 1927.62]  a bunch of
[1927.62 --> 1928.34]  different tabs
[1928.34 --> 1929.58]  effectively within
[1929.58 --> 1930.40]  a single tab
[1930.40 --> 1931.88]  so you've basically
[1931.88 --> 1933.42]  got a list of icons
[1933.42 --> 1934.34]  on the left hand side
[1934.34 --> 1935.76]  and then each app
[1935.76 --> 1936.36]  you can just click
[1936.36 --> 1937.08]  through and scroll
[1937.08 --> 1937.54]  through and
[1937.54 --> 1938.54]  you know
[1938.54 --> 1940.62]  I still find myself
[1940.62 --> 1941.32]  after all these years
[1941.32 --> 1942.28]  I've set up several
[1942.28 --> 1943.08]  of these dashboards
[1943.08 --> 1944.42]  including Heimdall
[1944.42 --> 1945.30]  including Homer
[1945.30 --> 1946.88]  and eventually
[1946.88 --> 1948.84]  they kind of
[1948.84 --> 1949.46]  suffer from
[1949.46 --> 1950.12]  technical debt
[1950.12 --> 1950.66]  and configuration
[1950.66 --> 1951.56]  drift and
[1951.56 --> 1953.10]  they don't end up
[1953.10 --> 1954.22]  reflecting reality
[1954.22 --> 1955.42]  and this is where
[1955.42 --> 1956.34]  Flame comes in
[1956.34 --> 1957.12]  as being particularly
[1957.12 --> 1957.62]  nice
[1957.62 --> 1958.48]  is it actually
[1958.48 --> 1959.18]  hooks into your
[1959.18 --> 1959.82]  Docker engine
[1959.82 --> 1962.34]  and live updates
[1962.34 --> 1963.22]  based on what
[1963.22 --> 1963.92]  the containers you
[1963.92 --> 1964.70]  have actually running
[1964.70 --> 1965.56]  are which is
[1965.56 --> 1966.98]  a killer feature
[1966.98 --> 1971.52]  tailscale.com
[1971.52 --> 1972.98]  slash self hosted
[1972.98 --> 1973.60]  go there to get
[1973.60 --> 1974.34]  a free personal
[1974.34 --> 1974.92]  account for up
[1974.92 --> 1975.74]  to 20 devices
[1975.74 --> 1976.48]  and of course
[1976.48 --> 1977.12]  your support in
[1977.12 --> 1977.46]  this show
[1977.46 --> 1978.58]  yeah I'm talking
[1978.58 --> 1979.50]  about tailscale
[1979.50 --> 1980.46]  the zero config
[1980.46 --> 1981.56]  VPN that installs
[1981.56 --> 1982.28]  on any device
[1982.28 --> 1983.22]  you got in minutes
[1983.22 --> 1984.40]  easy to manage
[1984.40 --> 1985.16]  your firewall rules
[1985.16 --> 1985.62]  for you
[1985.62 --> 1986.96]  easy to work
[1986.96 --> 1987.54]  from home
[1987.54 --> 1988.32]  easy to access
[1988.32 --> 1988.88]  your stuff from
[1988.88 --> 1989.24]  anywhere
[1989.24 --> 1990.84]  this is the solution
[1990.84 --> 1992.06]  I finally went with
[1992.06 --> 1993.02]  to get to my
[1993.02 --> 1993.64]  treasure trove
[1993.64 --> 1994.32]  of information
[1994.32 --> 1995.14]  in Lady Joops
[1995.14 --> 1996.02]  like when I first
[1996.02 --> 1996.58]  started setting up
[1996.58 --> 1997.38]  my documentation
[1997.38 --> 1998.04]  and all my
[1998.04 --> 1999.08]  offline
[1999.08 --> 2000.70]  repository of
[2000.70 --> 2001.08]  information
[2001.08 --> 2001.70]  I opted
[2001.70 --> 2003.02]  to just
[2003.02 --> 2004.26]  not even bother
[2004.26 --> 2004.88]  with the VPN
[2004.88 --> 2005.22]  thing
[2005.22 --> 2006.22]  because even
[2006.22 --> 2006.98]  even traditional
[2006.98 --> 2007.46]  wire guard
[2007.46 --> 2008.00]  I just wasn't
[2008.00 --> 2008.66]  super happy
[2008.66 --> 2009.38]  with it
[2009.38 --> 2010.76]  not only do I
[2010.76 --> 2011.58]  have carrier grade
[2011.58 --> 2011.88]  NAT
[2011.88 --> 2012.96]  but I needed
[2012.96 --> 2014.20]  something that
[2014.20 --> 2015.30]  I could get up
[2015.30 --> 2015.78]  and go
[2015.78 --> 2017.24]  on a new system
[2017.24 --> 2018.62]  kind of just
[2018.62 --> 2019.48]  spontaneously
[2019.48 --> 2020.88]  without really
[2020.88 --> 2021.84]  any pre-planning
[2021.84 --> 2023.36]  and tailscale
[2023.36 --> 2025.00]  has nailed that
[2025.00 --> 2025.86]  it lets my
[2025.86 --> 2026.56]  devices connect
[2026.56 --> 2027.46]  directly to each
[2027.46 --> 2027.70]  other
[2027.70 --> 2028.26]  it uses
[2028.26 --> 2028.84]  wire guards
[2028.84 --> 2029.64]  noise protocol
[2029.64 --> 2030.04]  encryption
[2030.04 --> 2030.88]  and you build
[2030.88 --> 2031.50]  your own
[2031.50 --> 2032.36]  mesh network
[2032.36 --> 2033.56]  using the best
[2033.56 --> 2034.52]  VPN security
[2034.52 --> 2035.08]  stuff in the
[2035.08 --> 2035.30]  biz
[2035.30 --> 2036.64]  you can quickly
[2036.64 --> 2037.14]  and easily
[2037.14 --> 2037.78]  create a secure
[2037.78 --> 2038.40]  network between
[2038.40 --> 2038.96]  your servers
[2038.96 --> 2039.46]  computers
[2039.46 --> 2040.52]  and your cloud
[2040.52 --> 2040.98]  instances
[2040.98 --> 2042.54]  I got
[2042.54 --> 2043.56]  a message
[2043.56 --> 2044.48]  from mom
[2044.48 --> 2045.26]  last night
[2045.26 --> 2045.98]  about something
[2045.98 --> 2046.58]  wrong with a
[2046.58 --> 2047.06]  service she was
[2047.06 --> 2047.66]  connecting to
[2047.66 --> 2048.18]  while I was
[2048.18 --> 2048.44]  home
[2048.44 --> 2049.70]  I flipped on
[2049.70 --> 2050.28]  tailscale
[2050.28 --> 2051.30]  connected to the
[2051.30 --> 2051.84]  system here in
[2051.84 --> 2052.36]  the studio that
[2052.36 --> 2053.00]  she was trying to
[2053.00 --> 2054.10]  use and I
[2054.10 --> 2054.66]  fixed the problem
[2054.66 --> 2055.22]  from the couch
[2055.22 --> 2056.08]  in 10 seconds
[2056.08 --> 2057.46]  and you know
[2057.46 --> 2057.70]  what
[2057.70 --> 2059.60]  I mean maybe
[2059.60 --> 2061.12]  it's been a month
[2061.12 --> 2061.66]  since I had to
[2061.66 --> 2062.14]  use it on my
[2062.14 --> 2063.20]  iPhone but it
[2063.20 --> 2063.98]  was so great to
[2063.98 --> 2064.24]  be able to
[2064.24 --> 2065.02]  immediately put my
[2065.02 --> 2066.26]  iPhone on that
[2066.26 --> 2067.44]  mesh network and
[2067.44 --> 2068.08]  get access to
[2068.08 --> 2069.46]  those systems and
[2069.46 --> 2070.08]  it just worked
[2070.08 --> 2071.46]  flawlessly so I've
[2071.46 --> 2072.28]  got it on iPhones
[2072.28 --> 2073.06]  I've got it on my
[2073.06 --> 2074.26]  Raspberry Pis I've
[2074.26 --> 2075.12]  got it on x86
[2075.12 --> 2077.46]  servers I love it
[2077.46 --> 2078.50]  for all of that
[2078.50 --> 2079.56]  stuff just a stable
[2079.56 --> 2080.56]  IP for all my
[2080.56 --> 2081.66]  systems no matter
[2081.66 --> 2082.42]  where I'm at it
[2082.42 --> 2083.20]  stays consistent
[2083.20 --> 2084.56]  and the devices
[2084.56 --> 2085.18]  only connect
[2085.18 --> 2085.94]  after you sign
[2085.94 --> 2086.84]  them through your
[2086.84 --> 2088.48]  own identity
[2088.48 --> 2089.00]  provider whatever
[2089.00 --> 2089.80]  that might be so
[2089.80 --> 2090.94]  you can easily
[2090.94 --> 2092.00]  enforce multi-factor
[2092.00 --> 2092.86]  authentication you
[2092.86 --> 2093.70]  can deauthorize
[2093.70 --> 2094.54]  machines without
[2094.54 --> 2095.28]  having to get to
[2095.28 --> 2096.02]  that machine if
[2096.02 --> 2096.96]  somebody's moved
[2096.96 --> 2098.40]  on etc so it's
[2098.40 --> 2099.58]  really flexible in
[2099.58 --> 2101.06]  that way and
[2101.06 --> 2101.96]  because I know
[2101.96 --> 2102.50]  that these are
[2102.50 --> 2103.86]  always on VPNs I
[2103.86 --> 2104.72]  know that it's
[2104.72 --> 2105.46]  always there it's
[2105.46 --> 2106.28]  always there for me
[2106.28 --> 2107.34]  and they have super
[2107.34 --> 2108.64]  DNS friendly stuff in
[2108.64 --> 2109.38]  there so you can
[2109.38 --> 2110.54]  add a DNS server to
[2110.54 --> 2111.06]  your tailscale
[2111.06 --> 2111.92]  network and have some
[2111.92 --> 2113.18]  real magic it's
[2113.18 --> 2113.92]  dead simple to
[2113.92 --> 2114.98]  use and it's
[2114.98 --> 2115.64]  something I use
[2115.64 --> 2116.56]  every single day
[2116.56 --> 2117.28]  you're gonna love
[2117.28 --> 2117.86]  it I'm sure you've
[2117.86 --> 2118.60]  probably heard about
[2118.60 --> 2119.80]  it now's the chance
[2119.80 --> 2120.78]  to sign up support
[2120.78 --> 2121.98]  the show and get up
[2121.98 --> 2123.36]  to 20 machines free
[2123.36 --> 2125.44]  at tailscale.com
[2125.44 --> 2127.06]  slash self hosted
[2127.06 --> 2129.78]  I just had a proper
[2129.78 --> 2131.10]  next level I'm living
[2131.10 --> 2131.98]  in the future moment
[2131.98 --> 2133.38]  as we were recording
[2133.38 --> 2134.32]  I just heard it start
[2134.32 --> 2135.86]  raining and I was
[2135.86 --> 2137.80]  smoking a picanha
[2137.80 --> 2138.84]  which is like a top
[2138.84 --> 2139.70]  side of sirloin
[2139.70 --> 2140.82]  earlier this afternoon
[2140.82 --> 2142.52]  and I thought did I
[2142.52 --> 2143.00]  leave something
[2143.00 --> 2144.06]  outside on the deck
[2144.06 --> 2144.92]  so I just bring up
[2144.92 --> 2145.74]  blue iris in the
[2145.74 --> 2146.44]  browser as we're
[2146.44 --> 2147.10]  recording have a
[2147.10 --> 2147.74]  quick look and then
[2147.74 --> 2148.68]  message my wife and
[2148.68 --> 2149.90]  say can you please
[2149.90 --> 2151.80]  save my wood chips I
[2151.80 --> 2152.76]  left outside and I
[2152.76 --> 2153.54]  smoke your stuff
[2153.54 --> 2156.00]  you know seriously
[2156.00 --> 2157.82]  the camera systems I
[2157.82 --> 2158.46]  haven't talked about
[2158.46 --> 2159.42]  it a lot recently
[2159.42 --> 2161.26]  but I'm still I still
[2161.26 --> 2162.10]  find it really useful
[2162.10 --> 2163.30]  to have on on my
[2163.30 --> 2165.34]  system I was over a
[2165.34 --> 2166.96]  month ago we when
[2166.96 --> 2167.54]  the when the
[2167.54 --> 2168.18]  temperatures just
[2168.18 --> 2169.24]  crashed here in
[2169.24 --> 2171.24]  Washington we had a
[2171.24 --> 2172.00]  rat get in lady
[2172.00 --> 2173.62]  jupes and we
[2173.62 --> 2175.04]  suspected there was
[2175.04 --> 2176.60]  a rat but having
[2176.60 --> 2177.84]  that I had a camera
[2177.84 --> 2178.84]  detective motion event
[2178.84 --> 2179.86]  which got a snapshot
[2179.86 --> 2181.44]  of the rat like you
[2181.44 --> 2182.32]  know just because that
[2182.32 --> 2183.02]  kind of confirmation
[2183.02 --> 2184.20]  why you asked me about
[2184.20 --> 2185.38]  rats in the show I was
[2185.38 --> 2186.48]  so confused at the
[2186.48 --> 2187.80]  time what did I
[2187.80 --> 2190.92]  yes probably had rats
[2190.92 --> 2192.36]  on the brain I got
[2192.36 --> 2193.42]  that little guy to let
[2193.42 --> 2195.06]  me tell you oh but
[2195.06 --> 2196.54]  not after inflicted
[2196.54 --> 2197.74]  serious damage on
[2197.74 --> 2199.14]  lady jupes wiring
[2199.14 --> 2200.46]  damage we have a
[2200.46 --> 2201.48]  listener listener Cole
[2201.48 --> 2202.18]  who's coming up to
[2202.18 --> 2202.96]  the junkyard this
[2202.96 --> 2203.88]  weekend to help us do
[2203.88 --> 2205.56]  some fixes we did we
[2205.56 --> 2206.84]  did some bypassing
[2206.84 --> 2209.34]  but yeah yeah so I'm
[2209.34 --> 2210.30]  glad but I'm glad I
[2210.30 --> 2211.02]  had that camera in
[2211.02 --> 2211.76]  there because I knew
[2211.76 --> 2212.50]  I had to take action
[2212.50 --> 2213.44]  immediately you know
[2213.44 --> 2215.50]  damn well on a
[2215.50 --> 2216.32]  happier note Lucas
[2216.32 --> 2217.88]  writes in I have a
[2217.88 --> 2218.72]  pie running regular
[2218.72 --> 2219.88]  backups from my server
[2219.88 --> 2221.78]  via our snapshot some
[2221.78 --> 2222.74]  time ago the backup
[2222.74 --> 2223.68]  wasn't working and I
[2223.68 --> 2224.72]  didn't notice for a few
[2224.72 --> 2226.20]  weeks do you have any
[2226.20 --> 2227.32]  suggestions on monitoring
[2227.32 --> 2228.34]  that backup I'm
[2228.34 --> 2229.08]  thinking of something
[2229.08 --> 2230.02]  that reads the our
[2230.02 --> 2231.92]  snapshot logs sends me
[2231.92 --> 2233.24]  an email maybe in case
[2233.24 --> 2234.54]  of an error thanks for
[2234.54 --> 2235.64]  the feedback love the
[2235.64 --> 2236.42]  show greetings from
[2236.42 --> 2237.42]  Germany Lucas
[2237.42 --> 2240.70]  hmm seems like there's
[2240.70 --> 2241.80]  so many options here
[2241.80 --> 2244.00]  and I'm going to resist
[2244.00 --> 2244.82]  the temptation to
[2244.82 --> 2246.28]  recommend something else
[2246.28 --> 2248.00]  entirely like like
[2248.00 --> 2249.16]  board backup or
[2249.16 --> 2250.54]  something else so I'll
[2250.54 --> 2251.38]  let you answer this
[2251.38 --> 2253.24]  well I think the
[2253.24 --> 2254.04]  obvious one for me is
[2254.04 --> 2254.68]  something like health
[2254.68 --> 2256.52]  checks dot IO so
[2256.52 --> 2258.12]  what this does is when
[2258.12 --> 2259.80]  you run a cron job you
[2259.80 --> 2261.12]  append to the end of
[2261.12 --> 2263.12]  your script or your
[2263.12 --> 2264.06]  bash command that you're
[2264.06 --> 2266.00]  putting into cron a
[2266.00 --> 2268.24]  little curl with a uuid
[2268.24 --> 2270.26]  in it so curl htps
[2270.26 --> 2273.32]  url slash and then you
[2273.32 --> 2274.62]  put your little uuid in
[2274.62 --> 2276.18]  there and what that does
[2276.18 --> 2277.18]  is it pings the health
[2277.18 --> 2278.40]  check server and says
[2278.40 --> 2280.94]  hey this this job just
[2280.94 --> 2282.08]  ran and what you can then
[2282.08 --> 2283.54]  do is configure timeouts
[2283.54 --> 2285.06]  to say right I want
[2285.06 --> 2286.06]  this job to run every
[2286.06 --> 2286.92]  day and the grace
[2286.92 --> 2288.06]  period is six hours
[2288.06 --> 2289.56]  because sometimes a
[2289.56 --> 2291.46]  backup can take six
[2291.46 --> 2292.92]  hours to complete so
[2292.92 --> 2295.16]  it reduces the noise
[2295.16 --> 2295.64]  and the false
[2295.64 --> 2296.62]  positives you might get
[2296.62 --> 2298.20]  there sometimes but the
[2298.20 --> 2299.18]  other really cool thing
[2299.18 --> 2300.46]  you can do and some of
[2300.46 --> 2301.28]  the guys in our discord
[2301.28 --> 2302.62]  have been experimenting
[2302.62 --> 2303.78]  with health checks a lot
[2303.78 --> 2304.74]  of which there is a
[2304.74 --> 2305.90]  self-hosted version by the
[2305.90 --> 2306.78]  way as well don't be
[2306.78 --> 2307.70]  confused and think it's
[2307.70 --> 2308.84]  just a service it's not
[2308.84 --> 2311.36]  what you can also do is
[2311.36 --> 2313.38]  put a slash start at the
[2313.38 --> 2314.38]  beginning of your script
[2314.38 --> 2315.80]  to that same url with the
[2315.80 --> 2317.54]  uuid as well and then
[2317.54 --> 2319.60]  you can monitor how long
[2319.60 --> 2321.86]  specific jobs take so you
[2321.86 --> 2323.90]  can look and say oh my
[2323.90 --> 2326.00]  backups on average take two
[2326.00 --> 2327.88]  minutes 30 seconds this one
[2327.88 --> 2329.50]  took four hours why is that
[2329.50 --> 2330.60]  and then you can go and
[2330.60 --> 2332.32]  look at the logs because you
[2332.32 --> 2333.94]  can append logs to health
[2333.94 --> 2335.04]  checks as well if you didn't
[2335.04 --> 2337.78]  know that you can use curl to
[2337.78 --> 2339.84]  do that as well so I mean
[2339.84 --> 2341.52]  for me yes you could go and
[2341.52 --> 2342.98]  you know reinvent the wheel
[2342.98 --> 2344.02]  and have something that
[2344.02 --> 2345.54]  does log passing and alert
[2345.54 --> 2346.90]  manager with prometheus and
[2346.90 --> 2349.62]  get as complex as you like
[2349.62 --> 2351.60]  but really for me keep it
[2351.60 --> 2354.04]  simple because if you don't
[2354.04 --> 2356.14]  it'll just you just won't
[2356.14 --> 2357.30]  keep on top of it if it's a
[2357.30 --> 2360.16]  personal system yep yep and
[2360.16 --> 2361.42]  if it's going to send you an
[2361.42 --> 2363.06]  alert make sure it's sending
[2363.06 --> 2363.94]  you an alert somewhere you're
[2363.94 --> 2365.66]  actually checking and that
[2365.66 --> 2366.70]  you won't just ignore that
[2366.70 --> 2367.80]  doesn't just end up in some
[2367.80 --> 2369.76]  folder on Gmail or something
[2369.76 --> 2371.44]  like that all right well our
[2371.44 --> 2373.46]  next email comes in from
[2373.46 --> 2375.92]  Norm Norm writes in hey
[2375.92 --> 2376.98]  guys love the show self
[2376.98 --> 2377.90]  hosted alone is making me
[2377.90 --> 2378.58]  want to purchase a
[2378.58 --> 2379.56]  membership to support you
[2379.56 --> 2380.88]  thank you Norm self
[2380.88 --> 2382.94]  hosted dot show slash sre for
[2382.94 --> 2384.38]  this show or jupiter dot
[2384.38 --> 2385.50]  party for all the shows
[2385.50 --> 2387.12]  independent podcasting needs
[2387.12 --> 2389.38]  support more than ever he
[2389.38 --> 2390.48]  says I have two questions
[2390.48 --> 2392.32]  but and one more than more
[2392.32 --> 2394.10]  than the other all right so
[2394.10 --> 2394.58]  let's start with the
[2394.58 --> 2396.52]  important one he says in
[2396.52 --> 2397.64]  your failing at scale
[2397.64 --> 2398.60]  episode you brought up
[2398.60 --> 2399.46]  home assistant and
[2399.46 --> 2400.64]  breaking changes with z
[2400.64 --> 2403.08]  wave z wave j s etc you
[2403.08 --> 2404.16]  also mentioned waiting for
[2404.16 --> 2405.06]  matter something that I've
[2405.06 --> 2406.22]  been considering as well
[2406.22 --> 2407.48]  would you mind giving your
[2407.48 --> 2408.54]  opinion on if someone
[2408.54 --> 2409.66]  should wait for matter if
[2409.66 --> 2410.90]  they have zero z wave
[2410.90 --> 2412.66]  devices yet I've been
[2412.66 --> 2413.58]  considering getting some
[2413.58 --> 2414.40]  but I haven't pulled the
[2414.40 --> 2415.84]  trigger yet and I'm
[2415.84 --> 2417.12]  wondering if I should wait
[2417.12 --> 2419.88]  ah the age-old question
[2419.88 --> 2421.52]  should I buy now or should I
[2421.52 --> 2423.52]  wait the thing about matter
[2423.52 --> 2424.42]  is certainly for the
[2424.42 --> 2425.74]  moment at least and with
[2425.74 --> 2427.04]  the chip shortage I expect
[2427.04 --> 2428.72]  this to continue into the
[2428.72 --> 2430.86]  foreseeable future is right
[2430.86 --> 2433.82]  now it's vaporware so you
[2433.82 --> 2435.60]  would be waiting for a set of
[2435.60 --> 2437.08]  promises that are coming at
[2437.08 --> 2440.80]  some point in the future I
[2440.80 --> 2441.68]  know people have said it's
[2441.68 --> 2445.00]  going to be in 22 but who
[2445.00 --> 2446.20]  knows so if you need
[2446.20 --> 2448.48]  something now buy it now it's
[2448.48 --> 2449.70]  like buying a graphics card or
[2449.70 --> 2450.92]  a laptop or anything like that
[2450.92 --> 2452.40]  a car like if you need
[2452.40 --> 2454.02]  something now buy it now if
[2454.02 --> 2456.76]  you're just tinkering buy
[2456.76 --> 2458.82]  maybe a minimum viable set of
[2458.82 --> 2460.22]  z wave devices so you can get
[2460.22 --> 2463.16]  your feet wet and then you
[2463.16 --> 2464.96]  really go whole hog into the
[2464.96 --> 2466.00]  matter stuff when it does
[2466.00 --> 2467.68]  finally land what are your
[2467.68 --> 2469.58]  thoughts yeah I pretty much
[2469.58 --> 2470.68]  agree I'll put a link in the
[2470.68 --> 2472.16]  show notes to an article that
[2472.16 --> 2473.60]  kind of goes over what you can
[2473.60 --> 2474.60]  expect is going to remain
[2474.60 --> 2476.06]  compatible here's the thing
[2476.06 --> 2477.94]  about matter it's basically
[2477.94 --> 2480.52]  Zigbee it's based on Zigbee
[2480.92 --> 2483.46]  so it is very likely that
[2483.46 --> 2485.98]  some Zigbee devices will be
[2485.98 --> 2488.36]  software updatable to matter
[2488.36 --> 2490.70]  devices so that's something to
[2490.70 --> 2492.58]  keep in mind that might just be
[2492.58 --> 2494.02]  what you need but norm I'm also
[2494.02 --> 2494.94]  going to put a link in here
[2494.94 --> 2496.60]  about some devices you can buy
[2496.60 --> 2497.92]  now that should be compatible
[2497.92 --> 2499.50]  something else you consider
[2499.50 --> 2500.64]  another route depending on what
[2500.64 --> 2503.38]  device you're looking for is if
[2503.38 --> 2505.90]  you're already an iOS house you
[2505.90 --> 2506.86]  could just go for home kit
[2506.86 --> 2508.36]  compatibility that'll work over
[2508.36 --> 2510.54]  Wi-Fi home kit is a stable
[2510.54 --> 2512.48]  interface to home assistant it
[2512.48 --> 2514.36]  actually works pretty well but
[2515.00 --> 2517.48]  but but but not all cases some
[2517.48 --> 2520.00]  home kit devices require special
[2520.00 --> 2521.18]  Bluetooth adapters or something
[2521.18 --> 2522.12]  like that so just be careful
[2522.12 --> 2524.80]  there and I'd say like Alex said
[2524.80 --> 2527.60]  just by now don't wait and I would
[2527.60 --> 2529.00]  err on the side of Zigbee devices
[2529.00 --> 2530.26]  myself if I were having to
[2530.26 --> 2531.66]  repurchase right now that's what my
[2531.66 --> 2533.44]  personal choice would be and don't
[2533.44 --> 2534.74]  cheap out on the Zigbee bridge if
[2534.74 --> 2536.28]  you're gonna do that I tried with
[2536.28 --> 2538.68]  the Sonoff CC 20 something
[2538.68 --> 2540.12]  something something and then
[2540.12 --> 2541.52]  replaced it almost immediately
[2541.52 --> 2545.24]  with the Conbee 2 bridge and since
[2545.24 --> 2548.06]  then my automations and Zigbee
[2548.06 --> 2550.92]  devices have been 99.9% reliable
[2550.92 --> 2553.90]  which really is great my Hue bridge
[2553.90 --> 2556.28]  I unplugged it a few weeks ago and it
[2556.28 --> 2558.24]  was a really nice moment in my life
[2558.24 --> 2560.16]  just be able to go nope don't need
[2560.16 --> 2562.64]  this anymore goodbye yeah that is
[2562.64 --> 2565.96]  nice that is really nice I think a
[2565.96 --> 2567.18]  lot of the large brands are gonna
[2567.18 --> 2569.42]  offer I this where I would do my
[2569.42 --> 2571.66]  research norm is I would research
[2571.66 --> 2573.50]  what Zigbee controller may be
[2573.50 --> 2575.74]  upgradable to matter if possible and I
[2575.74 --> 2579.72]  would also look at what home smart
[2579.72 --> 2583.60]  manufacturing people are already in
[2583.60 --> 2584.88]  the matter alliance there's a lot of
[2584.88 --> 2585.86]  them that are in there so they're
[2585.86 --> 2587.56]  likely gonna support it down the road
[2587.56 --> 2589.76]  but such a crappy time for the part
[2589.76 --> 2591.44]  shortage and something such a crappy
[2591.44 --> 2593.30]  time to be forced to upgrade the Z-Wave
[2593.30 --> 2596.34]  stuff now to be clear Z-Wave is still
[2596.34 --> 2598.50]  100% viable and if you install home
[2598.50 --> 2600.66]  assistant you know even like I think
[2600.66 --> 2602.54]  within the last year you're gonna be
[2602.54 --> 2605.58]  able to use Z-Wave JS and you're gonna
[2605.58 --> 2608.12]  be fine you're gonna be golden because
[2608.12 --> 2610.56]  Z-Wave JS is well supported the
[2610.56 --> 2612.68]  particular problem that I and many early
[2612.68 --> 2615.12]  home assistant users have run into is
[2615.12 --> 2617.36]  that the migration to Z-Wave JS went
[2617.36 --> 2619.74]  real bad real bad it's one of the few
[2619.74 --> 2621.64]  times I had to hit the old eject button
[2621.64 --> 2625.44]  and go back and restore an image real
[2625.44 --> 2629.34]  bad and I am not gonna make that
[2629.34 --> 2630.80]  transition most likely without
[2630.80 --> 2633.56]  completely redoing my home assistant
[2633.56 --> 2635.96]  setup because you have to realize that
[2635.96 --> 2638.96]  this transition when I migrate is gonna
[2638.96 --> 2640.24]  be a lot worse for me than somebody
[2640.24 --> 2641.38]  who's just setting up today if you're
[2641.38 --> 2642.68]  just setting up today it's gonna be
[2642.68 --> 2645.04]  painless if you're me every single
[2645.04 --> 2648.16]  device gets a new name all the old
[2648.16 --> 2650.26]  devices remain but they're no longer
[2650.26 --> 2652.44]  were functional every device shows up
[2652.44 --> 2655.38]  with a brand new name a new ID top to
[2655.38 --> 2657.20]  bottom that means every automation
[2657.20 --> 2661.22]  every script every trigger everything
[2661.22 --> 2664.66]  that refers to a device anywhere every
[2664.66 --> 2667.68]  button everything has to be touched
[2667.68 --> 2670.40]  it's as bad as redoing the entire thing
[2670.40 --> 2672.64]  from scratch and I'm just not gonna do
[2672.64 --> 2675.66]  that and so I just wish the timing
[2675.66 --> 2677.28]  could have been different I understand
[2677.28 --> 2678.62]  the home assistant team needs to move
[2678.62 --> 2681.98]  on with Python I don't advocate staying
[2681.98 --> 2684.90]  on old versions of Python and I realize
[2684.90 --> 2686.14]  that this version of Z-Wave has been
[2686.14 --> 2688.96]  unsupported for a while and Z-Wave
[2688.96 --> 2691.20]  devices are still good the Z-Wave JS
[2691.20 --> 2692.58]  implementation on home assistant is
[2692.58 --> 2695.14]  great so you could absolutely go the
[2695.14 --> 2697.54]  direction of Z-Wave today and be happy
[2697.54 --> 2699.36]  and probably have no problems and use
[2699.36 --> 2701.44]  them for years it just happens to be
[2701.44 --> 2703.92]  that I got bit as an early adopter and
[2703.92 --> 2705.36]  now I'm kind of in a stuck position
[2705.36 --> 2709.10]  me and thousands of other users okay
[2709.10 --> 2710.76]  his second question is really about
[2710.76 --> 2713.10]  lady jupes which yes he's correct is
[2713.10 --> 2716.76]  my RV jupes as in Jupiter the last
[2716.76 --> 2718.44]  episode said that home assistant is
[2718.44 --> 2720.30]  integral and necessary to the RV I'd
[2720.30 --> 2721.82]  love to hear a detailed rundown of your
[2721.82 --> 2724.34]  setup and devices thanks and keep up the
[2724.34 --> 2727.02]  great work norm she's that could be a
[2727.02 --> 2728.30]  great that could be an entire episode
[2728.30 --> 2729.86]  Alex I was just thinking the same
[2729.86 --> 2732.70]  thing yeah yeah we should go into that
[2732.70 --> 2734.00]  you know what would be a fun one is
[2734.00 --> 2735.44]  when you're actually here sometime
[2735.44 --> 2736.50]  next time you're in the Pacific
[2736.50 --> 2738.14]  Northwest yes all right we'll do that
[2738.14 --> 2740.16]  put that in the back pocket and keep it
[2740.16 --> 2742.00]  maybe we'll be on the road and we could
[2742.00 --> 2744.28]  do we could do that episode from the RV
[2744.28 --> 2747.10]  oh that'd be really great too I like
[2747.10 --> 2749.20]  that that we'll put that one in the
[2749.20 --> 2750.62]  back pocket for sure so we'd love to
[2750.62 --> 2752.04]  hear from you self-hosted dot show
[2752.04 --> 2755.46]  slash contact questions topic ideas
[2755.46 --> 2757.42]  projects you think we should know
[2757.42 --> 2760.04]  about or look into and your ideas on
[2760.04 --> 2762.04]  ways to save power and still have a lot
[2762.04 --> 2764.82]  of fun with home self-hosting or even
[2764.82 --> 2766.62]  small business self-hosting let us know
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[2782.28 --> 2784.04]  brainstormed earlier so we have several
[2784.04 --> 2787.74]  possible post show topics but we'll
[2787.74 --> 2789.36]  have to just pick we'll pick a good one
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