diff --git "a/81： The Badger Stack _transcript.txt" "b/81： The Badger Stack _transcript.txt" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/81： The Badger Stack _transcript.txt" @@ -0,0 +1,2414 @@ +[0.00 --> 6.30] Is there some sort of universal law that states that your infrastructure is going to fail whenever you're not around? +[6.46 --> 8.54] Because I seem to always be subject to it. +[9.04 --> 18.94] There I was, down at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, actually the night before, dreaming about what we might discover, thinking about what we might learn. +[19.38 --> 25.56] I decide to check in on my intrepid RV, about seven hours north of where I was. +[25.88 --> 29.34] I pull up the Home Assistant app, and it just isn't quite loading. +[29.34 --> 31.62] And I think, hmm, that's strange. +[32.42 --> 37.16] So I fire up TailScale, and I pull up the web interface, because the web interface always works when the app doesn't work. +[37.74 --> 39.16] And it still doesn't load. +[39.22 --> 43.02] And I think, huh, I wonder if something's wrong with Home Assistant. +[44.48 --> 53.42] And a few days go by, and I finally make it back to the RV, and I discover that my Raspberry Pi home server that runs more than just Home Assistant. +[53.42 --> 64.52] I mean, it runs my Plex instance, my Sync Thing instance, my Duplicati instance, my Smoke Ping instance, my Markdown Notes instance, and Home Assistant. +[66.18 --> 66.54] Dead. +[67.26 --> 67.90] Just dead. +[68.10 --> 69.00] Dead as a doornail. +[69.14 --> 70.62] Just totally dead. +[70.82 --> 71.40] Uh-oh. +[71.40 --> 73.18] And you know the worst part? +[74.06 --> 75.22] I don't even know why it's dead. +[75.42 --> 76.82] What do you mean you don't know why it's dead? +[77.04 --> 77.98] I don't even know what happened. +[78.54 --> 82.82] I mean, we've been on the road, and I've been trying to figure it out, but I just haven't had a chance. +[82.88 --> 84.56] I haven't even hooked up an HDMI screen to it. +[84.58 --> 85.34] Oh, I see. +[85.40 --> 86.92] I did the hardware swap thing, you know. +[87.16 --> 87.46] Yeah. +[87.54 --> 89.12] So what was your plan with that hardware swap? +[89.18 --> 91.12] Because it seemed like a brilliant plan at the time. +[91.26 --> 91.72] Well, thank you. +[91.72 --> 99.20] I mean, I bought a duplicate Raspberry Pi, same thing, Raspberry Pi 4, 8 gigs, in the same case, forever ago. +[99.48 --> 100.64] Just ready to go. +[101.38 --> 105.62] I swapped everything over, hit the power button, and nothing. +[106.14 --> 111.78] And I looked at my dead Raspberry Pi, and I realized, oh, there's an SD card in here. +[111.82 --> 112.90] Oh, Chris. +[113.30 --> 116.26] I think it might—this is like the first one I ever set up. +[116.32 --> 119.38] I think maybe it was using that SD card for like slash boot. +[119.38 --> 126.48] I can't remember anymore, but when I first did this, there was kind of a workaround to get Ubuntu running on the Raspberry Pi 4. +[126.58 --> 128.02] It was before official support had landed. +[128.44 --> 132.72] And I think maybe the SD card was used for grub or something like that. +[133.24 --> 135.70] But I don't know why it would have died while it was running. +[136.58 --> 139.74] So I'm wondering if something more significant happened, but I just don't know at this point. +[140.34 --> 141.74] Maybe there was an unattended upgrade. +[142.60 --> 143.00] Maybe. +[143.36 --> 144.48] Maybe a live patch. +[144.84 --> 147.78] You know, I did the whole reboot thing, and of course I'm trying to SSH intuit. +[147.78 --> 148.80] I can't ping it. +[148.80 --> 151.62] I can't ping it on the tail scale IP either. +[152.06 --> 153.06] It seems gone. +[153.26 --> 158.42] And the worst part of that is it runs a lot of automations in the RV. +[158.68 --> 167.34] Like all of the lighting, the heating, of course the cooling, a lot of the outdoor stuff, it's all managed by Home Assistant on this stupid Raspberry Pi. +[168.08 --> 171.28] And so it's like we're running things like animals with switches. +[172.32 --> 175.72] Yeah, this place went from a five star to about a three and a half, I think. +[175.72 --> 176.16] Wow. +[180.74 --> 182.92] You let this guy into your home, Alex, you know. +[184.12 --> 184.48] Indeed. +[184.70 --> 188.16] Well, this seems like an appropriate moment to introduce Brent again. +[188.28 --> 188.76] Hello, Brent. +[188.84 --> 189.28] How are you? +[189.42 --> 189.94] Welcome back. +[190.32 --> 191.04] Thank you very much. +[191.18 --> 192.28] And what about you, gentlemen? +[192.86 --> 197.76] Well, actually, we had some feedback at the meetup in Pasadena that we don't introduce ourselves anymore. +[197.76 --> 204.06] So let's just take a moment for anybody that hasn't worked out that I'm Alex and the other guy is Chris. +[204.22 --> 204.96] Hey, Chris. +[205.62 --> 206.68] Hello, everybody. +[206.88 --> 207.80] Thank you for being here. +[207.88 --> 208.46] Okay, good. +[208.52 --> 209.28] Now that's out of the way. +[209.28 --> 210.88] Welcome to episode 81. +[211.08 --> 212.28] Now that's out of the way. +[212.28 --> 221.34] I want to ask you if this has got you thinking about deploying some real hardware in a production system. +[222.00 --> 222.56] Ooh. +[222.94 --> 223.98] Throwing shade. +[225.48 --> 226.42] Fair enough. +[227.30 --> 231.56] You know, listener Jeff was really the MVP of our West Coast road trip. +[231.56 --> 239.76] And he sent me home with an Atom-based unit that only draws five watts and it's got two cores, but four gigs of RAM. +[240.00 --> 243.90] I'm tempted to just build a dedicated home assistant system out of that. +[244.30 --> 244.56] Why not? +[244.84 --> 248.46] Well, I just got shipment notification about my home assistant yellow. +[248.70 --> 250.66] I should be receiving it the Friday of this week. +[250.78 --> 251.26] I did. +[251.36 --> 252.10] No, you didn't. +[252.10 --> 252.86] I have the UPS. +[253.36 --> 256.22] I've got a UPS tracking number and everything. +[256.84 --> 257.86] Where's it coming from? +[258.04 --> 258.50] Guam. +[258.50 --> 259.06] Guam. +[260.68 --> 266.36] I think they landed in Texas and then some distribution place in Texas is sending them out from there. +[266.68 --> 266.72] Right. +[266.98 --> 267.24] Okay. +[267.34 --> 274.56] It's so exciting because this marks the second crowd supply thing that I've ever backed that I'm actually going to receive. +[275.04 --> 275.92] Very excited. +[276.50 --> 279.80] And so the home assistant yellow is supposed to arrive this Friday. +[280.52 --> 282.70] The only thing was I kind of wanted to go with something more powerful. +[283.14 --> 283.36] Yeah. +[283.36 --> 290.06] Well, I'll tell you what's got me thinking is you often run into these issues when you're on the road remotely and that kind of thing. +[290.28 --> 290.42] Yeah. +[290.56 --> 291.48] Almost exclusively. +[291.70 --> 293.22] Oh, it's so annoying. +[293.60 --> 297.12] I think you need to embrace IPMI of some description. +[297.48 --> 299.26] I think that needs to be a requirement for you. +[299.70 --> 300.36] Oh, interesting. +[301.00 --> 305.10] Oh, you know, I thought about that for the studio and I agree, but I had not thought about it for the RV. +[305.10 --> 312.10] Well, of course, there's the Pi KVM project for x86 boards that don't come with a BMC chip built in. +[313.00 --> 318.08] But, you know, you could probably build a server that does everything. +[318.24 --> 320.78] How many Pis do you have deployed in dupes right now? +[321.48 --> 322.56] Well, come on. +[322.60 --> 323.22] I pared it down. +[323.28 --> 324.34] I pared it down to only two. +[324.68 --> 328.56] I'm not saying this to be a phallic object. +[328.82 --> 331.00] I'm just saying this out of love. +[331.16 --> 332.46] Like, genuine question. +[332.46 --> 333.56] It was four. +[333.70 --> 334.70] It was four in production. +[334.90 --> 336.48] And over time, I pared it down to two. +[336.86 --> 337.12] Okay. +[337.26 --> 345.24] So if we allow a 10 watt budget per Pi, give or take, right, that's now it was 40 watts. +[345.32 --> 346.24] It's now 20 watts. +[346.70 --> 355.24] You could build a very capable x86 system that does everything all of those Pis do and has a BMC built into it. +[355.74 --> 361.74] You know, given that power is it's not you're not quite as limited on power as the Mars rover is, but you're not far off. +[361.74 --> 362.70] It's true. +[363.34 --> 366.20] Every watt does count, especially watts that run continuously. +[366.76 --> 368.26] What about heat consideration? +[368.90 --> 369.82] That is a thing. +[370.16 --> 371.18] That's a big thing. +[371.24 --> 372.96] I've been really trying to do the math on that, too. +[372.98 --> 378.82] When I build the next one, I'm trying to think, do I want to build it in a booth or do I want to go somewhere else and just drill holes? +[379.36 --> 382.40] The Raspberry Pi, and maybe that's what finally killed it, was heat. +[382.50 --> 382.94] I don't know. +[382.94 --> 388.76] But the Raspberry Pi has done a remarkable job of holding up to intense temperatures over long periods of time. +[389.64 --> 394.46] My bet really is what happened is there was some kind of a power brownout that was enough to make the Pi reboot. +[394.80 --> 398.70] And the SD card was toast in that time since it last rebooted. +[399.50 --> 403.20] I don't obviously have any data to back that up, but that's what I suspect probably happened. +[403.20 --> 409.60] So in total, I spent $169 on the Home Assistant Yellow. +[409.86 --> 412.62] And I was watching their live stream today as we record. +[413.18 --> 419.22] And I don't think they're going to make many more of these because they can't get their hands on the compute module. +[419.22 --> 423.08] So they finally got this thing shipping. +[423.38 --> 425.80] In fact, they don't even have the PoE one sorted out yet. +[426.00 --> 427.90] They have the non-PoE one shipping. +[429.10 --> 433.66] And they may not make many more just because you can't get them. +[434.14 --> 434.82] That's a real shame. +[435.14 --> 438.40] I mean, but on the flip side, it's not a good look for the project, is it? +[439.12 --> 442.68] Charge people money for something and then not ship it for a year or two. +[443.70 --> 446.22] I know it's not their fault, but... +[446.22 --> 450.06] Yeah, I ordered it mid-September and now we're here in early October. +[450.20 --> 452.06] So it's just over a year ago that I ordered it. +[452.24 --> 453.24] That's a long time. +[454.80 --> 455.82] That's a very long time. +[456.20 --> 458.30] I mean, if you look at what Valve did with the Steam Deck, +[458.30 --> 465.98] I know that Valve, orders of magnitude, got more buying power than Home Assistant, Nebu Casa as a company. +[466.22 --> 470.46] But I paid Valve $5 to sit in a queue, essentially. +[470.46 --> 476.54] And then when the time came to actually ship my hardware, that's when my credit card got charged. +[477.44 --> 479.64] Maybe something like that could work for Home Assistant. +[480.24 --> 484.52] Yeah, I think, too, the tricky thing here is they based it on the Pi compute module. +[484.80 --> 488.10] And that became one of the hardest things to get your hands on in bulk right now. +[488.52 --> 492.38] The Raspberry Pi stuff is, like, still impossible to find. +[492.64 --> 492.78] Yeah. +[492.78 --> 498.64] I was just doing a check recently, and the most common thing you can find at the moment is the Pi 3. +[499.28 --> 501.88] Which, from what I'm learning, isn't that useful for anything. +[502.36 --> 509.50] Did you see that Jeff Geerling did a video just last few days where he talked with the founder of the Raspberry Pi project +[509.50 --> 514.32] about availability and things like that and how there's no end in sight? +[514.42 --> 522.38] They're making 400,000 of these things a month, and something like 95% is going into industrial use cases. +[522.78 --> 523.26] Wow. +[524.38 --> 525.66] 95%? +[525.88 --> 529.02] Is it even really meant for industrial use cases? +[529.68 --> 533.02] You know, I noticed, you know, because Jeff also does an accompanying blog post, +[533.14 --> 541.72] and I noticed that one of the comments on Jeff's blog post was sort of giving a different version of this story. +[541.72 --> 546.82] They claim, I don't know how they would know, but they claim having inside knowledge, +[547.24 --> 553.56] and that Broadcom is actually a bit pissed at the Raspberry Pi folks because they're going commercial. +[554.52 --> 561.00] And essentially, like, the whole deal for getting a super cheap chip from Broadcom was that you were creating this educational device for kids. +[561.58 --> 565.54] And now you've announced your intentions to IPO and make a commercial company out of all this, +[565.56 --> 568.66] and now you need to pay the commercial rates, and you're going to be lumped in with our commercial clients, +[568.72 --> 569.78] not our educational clients. +[570.20 --> 574.08] And so they're also getting slower supply from Broadcom, according to this commenter. +[574.12 --> 576.66] But I have to say, it kind of seems like it checks out. +[576.66 --> 584.12] I think the Raspberry Pi Foundation, much like all of us, are kind of being caught off guard by just how ubiquitous it's become. +[584.12 --> 592.98] And I think it's a perfect example of how, if you influence the right people, the nerds, the engineers, the people tinkering, +[593.94 --> 598.34] if you influence them, they will then go into work and say, hey, well, why don't we just use a Pi? +[598.34 --> 607.26] Like, if I, you know, I remember my last job we had on the wall, we had TV screens showing build statuses of all the different CI processes, +[607.58 --> 613.60] and each one of them had a Raspberry Pi running, because one of the development team in that sprint team was like, +[613.68 --> 615.56] well, we need to monitor the status. +[615.70 --> 621.32] Why don't we just get a Pi, because it's only £35, stick it behind the TV, and jobs are good. +[621.66 --> 627.00] And I think not only has the Pi Foundation been caught out by the success of their product, +[627.00 --> 629.30] but so it sounds like has Broadcom. +[629.92 --> 631.46] Perhaps. That would make a lot of sense. +[632.38 --> 636.58] It's tricky, because I actually think if they don't figure something out, +[637.20 --> 642.84] the M1 platform is going to make a pretty worthy successor for home labbers. +[643.16 --> 649.10] If, imagine for a moment, if you would, Alex, there was decent Linux support for the M1, +[649.20 --> 654.76] which we may be only nine months, ten months away from, and that includes Thunderbolt support. +[654.76 --> 658.00] Because right now, I'm hanging USB disks off a Raspberry Pi. +[658.48 --> 663.16] But if I had Thunderbolt support, I could have real, actual, PCI-attached storage. +[663.70 --> 669.70] And if I had an M1 CPU, I would have something that has built-in HD64 decoding and encoding, +[669.96 --> 671.10] like a Banshee. +[671.96 --> 674.44] And if somehow Plex could come along and get support for that, +[674.60 --> 676.26] then we'd really be cooking with gas. +[676.46 --> 680.06] Don't you just wish that macOS Server wasn't terrible? +[680.06 --> 683.28] Is macOS Server even a thing anymore? +[683.40 --> 683.84] I think they might. +[684.04 --> 684.26] No. +[684.26 --> 685.30] I don't even know. +[685.80 --> 687.26] I know, it's really sad. +[687.60 --> 691.60] And honestly, I feel like Docker Desktop isn't good enough on the Mac for production use, +[691.64 --> 692.24] the way I would want. +[692.32 --> 693.28] I want something headless. +[693.40 --> 694.22] I want it to be Linux. +[694.64 --> 697.54] I mean, Asahi, the last couple of weeks, +[698.18 --> 703.32] released preliminary support for GPU acceleration under Linux with the M1 chip, +[703.40 --> 705.52] which is a huge, huge milestone. +[705.52 --> 707.38] Yeah, using a Rust driver. +[708.14 --> 709.20] A Rust driver. +[709.62 --> 710.46] I mean, that's amazing. +[711.20 --> 713.32] So maybe, I mean, maybe it's not too far off, +[713.38 --> 716.60] but it's not going to be within the time that I need to build my next home server. +[717.18 --> 720.88] I think I'm going to have to, just out of practicality, base it around this yellow. +[721.26 --> 722.92] It would seem crazy not to, you know, +[722.94 --> 727.02] showing up on my doorstep as I'm returning back in town and I need a new server. +[727.16 --> 729.40] Yeah, if you need an appliance, it sounds like that might be it. +[729.46 --> 730.38] But let me ask you this. +[730.38 --> 735.84] If money was no object, what would you do in dupes? +[736.22 --> 737.30] The trickiest thing is storage. +[737.46 --> 741.20] If money was no object, I'd spend a lot on storage and it'd be solid state storage +[741.20 --> 742.30] because I have to go down the road. +[743.24 --> 745.18] So that's where I'd probably blow a lot of money. +[746.02 --> 748.62] You're not going to believe this, but I mean, for 90% of the time, +[748.66 --> 751.30] I have found the Raspberry Pi 4 has been fast enough. +[751.72 --> 753.74] The pages could have always loaded faster in Home Assistant. +[753.94 --> 755.64] And I'm on a couple of versions behind now. +[756.14 --> 757.46] Home Assistant could have always been faster. +[757.46 --> 761.74] But Plex and Sync thing and like my Markdown Docs, +[761.76 --> 763.80] I forget the name of the Markdown Docs website thing. +[764.26 --> 766.04] Those all always ran totally fine. +[766.36 --> 767.16] I was surprised. +[767.30 --> 769.60] I was shocked that I got by with a Raspberry Pi. +[769.98 --> 773.16] It was just Home Assistant that could be a little bit faster. +[773.74 --> 776.80] But, you know, a lot of that might have come down to storage technology. +[777.44 --> 779.70] That's why I think the M1 would be perfect, you know? +[779.80 --> 780.02] Yeah. +[780.24 --> 783.72] 10, 20 watts, a lot of horsepower, fast storage. +[784.42 --> 785.50] Just don't want macOS. +[785.50 --> 790.04] Well, if power was no object, I know we made money no object just then, +[790.10 --> 792.30] but I think power is probably your biggest limiting factor, +[792.46 --> 793.72] as well as maybe space. +[794.20 --> 796.72] Like, you can't have a big 42U rack in there, can you? +[797.04 --> 799.60] Like, if power was no object, would you do the same thing? +[800.08 --> 803.52] If power was no object, I think I'd be tempted to build a rack unit +[803.52 --> 805.76] into one of the storage bays, you know, +[805.80 --> 807.60] and go with like a big x86 box. +[807.60 --> 811.50] And probably do a lot of hosting in Joops, +[812.20 --> 814.74] just because that's... +[814.74 --> 815.68] I like the idea of something. +[815.86 --> 817.26] It's truly decentralized. +[817.56 --> 818.20] I can move it. +[818.26 --> 819.22] I can take it with me. +[819.80 --> 822.04] And I'd rather have the source of truth here, +[822.08 --> 823.08] as long as I had a good backup. +[823.54 --> 826.04] Right now, I hold the source of truth in everything at the studio. +[826.50 --> 828.80] So I'd probably build a rack unit, if I could go crazy. +[828.94 --> 829.82] But I don't need it. +[830.26 --> 832.54] You know, I didn't lose any data. +[832.54 --> 834.82] My server's down, but I didn't lose any data. +[835.24 --> 837.32] So the setup is working as I need it to. +[838.34 --> 841.24] Well, the obvious thing that comes to mind for me +[841.24 --> 846.86] is the Intel NUC, that kind of tiny mini micro thing. +[846.94 --> 848.96] I don't know if you've been following Serve the Home at all +[848.96 --> 849.94] over the last few months. +[850.60 --> 852.82] They've been doing a series called Tiny Mini Micro, +[852.98 --> 857.80] where they get these four, five, six, ten liter micro, +[858.52 --> 861.08] essentially thin client machines designed for +[862.54 --> 863.98] business applications. +[864.70 --> 867.46] And they've got powerful chips in them +[867.46 --> 870.80] and 32 gigs of RAM and, you know, all the rest of it. +[871.12 --> 874.66] And they are the size of two or three CD cases +[874.66 --> 875.82] stacked on top of each other. +[876.74 --> 877.98] What about something like that? +[878.34 --> 879.78] That is pretty tempting, +[880.42 --> 882.96] especially if it's got, you know, reasonable horsepower +[882.96 --> 885.16] and it can do decent video decoding. +[886.30 --> 888.28] That would be, and networking and connectivity, +[888.82 --> 890.64] because I always need to add more storage. +[890.64 --> 893.36] I think what you'd be looking for there is your silver bullet +[893.36 --> 895.56] for video decoding would be QuickSync support, +[895.76 --> 897.76] which does limit you to Intel. +[898.20 --> 900.24] But, you know, speaking from experience, +[900.46 --> 903.44] QuickSync uses anywhere from four to six, +[903.54 --> 906.46] maybe eight watts to transcode a 4K stream. +[906.74 --> 908.50] And it's hard limited at eight watts. +[908.68 --> 911.26] Like I've never been able to get it to go above eight, +[911.94 --> 914.30] eight to 10 watts is about the maximum I've ever seen. +[914.52 --> 917.18] So even if you're doing multiple transcodes at once, +[917.18 --> 919.50] which in an RV I find very unlikely, +[920.28 --> 921.24] QuickSync is the way to go. +[921.82 --> 922.42] That is the nice thing, +[922.46 --> 924.62] is I only really need to build for like two televisions. +[925.00 --> 926.64] Three is the max. +[926.74 --> 927.78] Well, I guess there's always tablets, +[928.06 --> 930.02] but very unlikely that we'd have three TVs +[930.02 --> 931.42] and a tablet going in the RV. +[931.90 --> 935.46] But you could negate the transcoding requirement entirely +[935.46 --> 938.14] just simply by using something like TDAR +[938.14 --> 940.48] or Handbrake to pre-encode the media. +[940.70 --> 942.12] And you can automate all that stuff, +[942.48 --> 944.30] you know, into the correct formats for the TV. +[944.30 --> 946.06] You know, actually I think for the most part, +[946.52 --> 947.94] I mean, for the most part, +[948.12 --> 949.68] most of my stuff doesn't need transcoding +[949.68 --> 951.74] because it's either an Apple TV or an NVIDIA Shield +[951.74 --> 956.70] and it's H.264 and AC, MP3 or AC3 audio +[956.70 --> 958.68] for the most part, not a hundred percent, +[958.92 --> 961.62] but I'd say 85, 90%. +[961.62 --> 963.72] How many terabytes do you need? +[964.16 --> 966.08] Here in Joops, I'd love four. +[966.22 --> 967.98] I'm getting by with two, right? +[968.04 --> 969.34] I would love to do more even. +[969.46 --> 972.50] I mean, ideally I'd love 14, let's be honest. +[972.50 --> 976.12] But I get what I do is I batch over +[976.12 --> 977.42] just the stuff we're watching, +[977.52 --> 979.08] like a couple of series for the kids, +[979.48 --> 981.48] a couple of movies that are for Hadea and I, +[981.56 --> 982.82] a couple of movies that are for the kids +[982.82 --> 984.08] and a couple of movies that are for family +[984.08 --> 985.86] and just a few TV shows. +[986.30 --> 987.74] And I just kind of keep like +[987.74 --> 989.04] what the current season is +[989.04 --> 990.72] that we're watching of a show on there. +[990.78 --> 991.88] And I don't need to keep everything +[991.88 --> 993.74] because I have a larger storage at the studio. +[994.22 --> 996.26] I have no idea how reliable this is, +[996.32 --> 997.22] but I just looked on Amazon +[997.22 --> 998.26] just to sort of see +[998.26 --> 1001.46] how much a two terabyte SSD costs these days. +[1001.88 --> 1003.36] The brands you've heard of, +[1003.56 --> 1005.98] Samsung, Crucial, et cetera, +[1006.22 --> 1008.94] they're all in the 160 to 200 range +[1008.94 --> 1010.28] per two terabytes. +[1011.08 --> 1012.02] But there's a brand here +[1012.02 --> 1013.54] I've never heard of called Leven. +[1014.44 --> 1016.84] And these guys make a two terabyte +[1016.84 --> 1021.84] 3D NAND SATA 3 internal SSD for $99. +[1022.26 --> 1024.16] I mean, you throw a few of those in a raid, +[1024.26 --> 1025.00] what could go wrong? +[1025.66 --> 1027.76] You throw a few of those in Merger FS. +[1028.72 --> 1031.00] And what I'm thinking is before a trip, right, +[1031.04 --> 1033.48] you take one or two of these into the studio, +[1033.68 --> 1034.96] sync across what you need to +[1034.96 --> 1037.14] through a USB interface +[1037.14 --> 1039.56] that's much faster than a network interface. +[1040.34 --> 1041.52] And then you throw it back +[1041.52 --> 1043.46] into your hot swap bay in dupes +[1043.46 --> 1045.22] and you're good to go. +[1045.70 --> 1045.78] Yeah. +[1045.86 --> 1047.78] And then you just keep it topped off +[1047.78 --> 1049.48] with a little sync thing action, you know? +[1049.84 --> 1050.16] Yes. +[1050.54 --> 1051.68] Yeah, that could totally work. +[1052.22 --> 1054.90] What I'm kind of picturing is like a board, right? +[1055.00 --> 1055.76] Like a removable, +[1056.16 --> 1057.88] almost like a piece of plywood +[1057.88 --> 1060.02] that has the yellow mounted to it +[1060.02 --> 1061.96] and the disks mounted to it +[1061.96 --> 1065.00] and the Zigbee and Z-Wave antennas mounted to it. +[1065.20 --> 1068.12] And I can just insert this board into dupes +[1068.12 --> 1069.74] and I can pull this board out of dupes. +[1070.12 --> 1071.32] And if I need to work on it, +[1071.36 --> 1073.30] I just remove the whole componentry, +[1073.40 --> 1075.88] all of it put together as one piece. +[1076.04 --> 1077.98] I take it to the studio and I work on it +[1077.98 --> 1079.16] and then I bring it back into dupes +[1079.16 --> 1081.02] and I just reinstall it and reconnect things. +[1081.52 --> 1082.74] I love that modular approach. +[1083.22 --> 1084.52] I'd love to add into that mix +[1084.52 --> 1087.54] your new mixer plans too. +[1087.62 --> 1088.58] That would be kind of fun, huh? +[1088.76 --> 1091.30] Oh, imagine. +[1091.64 --> 1092.96] The ultimate setup, right? +[1093.02 --> 1095.18] Like server capacity, media capacity +[1095.18 --> 1096.74] and production capacity +[1096.74 --> 1097.82] and just slide them all in. +[1098.02 --> 1098.80] You have, you know, +[1098.88 --> 1100.92] like eight XLR inputs on the front of this thing +[1100.92 --> 1102.54] for all your mics and what have you. +[1102.84 --> 1103.74] And then on the back, +[1103.80 --> 1105.66] you've got a couple of network jacks +[1105.66 --> 1107.00] and a power cord going in +[1107.00 --> 1107.80] and that's it. +[1107.80 --> 1108.82] That would be pretty cool. +[1108.92 --> 1110.18] That sounds really sweet, actually. +[1110.18 --> 1112.22] Pretty, pretty, pretty great. +[1112.46 --> 1113.36] Pretty, pretty great. +[1113.44 --> 1114.48] Let's work on that then. +[1114.72 --> 1117.84] But speaking of upgrades and stuff like that, +[1117.92 --> 1119.70] I assume you saw that Paulus +[1119.70 --> 1121.44] from the Home Assistant project +[1121.44 --> 1123.80] has been very, very excited +[1123.80 --> 1126.78] that Matter finally hit 1.0 this week. +[1127.62 --> 1128.04] Damn it. +[1128.40 --> 1129.62] Can you believe this? +[1130.70 --> 1131.46] You know what that means +[1131.46 --> 1132.32] is that they're beginning +[1132.32 --> 1133.36] to pull it into Home Assistant. +[1133.56 --> 1135.16] They're beginning to build in Matter support +[1135.16 --> 1135.76] and a Home Assistant +[1135.76 --> 1138.96] and an actual device shipped +[1138.96 --> 1140.10] in the last week, +[1140.44 --> 1141.88] a light bulb with Matter. +[1142.38 --> 1143.72] It's actually happening, +[1144.28 --> 1146.20] but you know it's really still like +[1146.20 --> 1148.34] probably six months to a year out +[1148.34 --> 1150.50] before just general devices are available. +[1151.42 --> 1152.64] And of course, +[1153.22 --> 1154.94] of course I'm doing this rebuild right now. +[1155.04 --> 1156.40] Of course my server died. +[1156.50 --> 1157.40] I couldn't hold out. +[1157.66 --> 1159.12] You know I was holding out for Matter. +[1159.32 --> 1160.78] You know that was what I did. +[1161.04 --> 1162.76] That was my entire intention all along +[1162.76 --> 1163.28] was to hold out +[1163.28 --> 1164.44] and just replace my devices +[1164.44 --> 1165.32] with Matter devices. +[1165.84 --> 1167.08] And just as it becomes official, +[1167.28 --> 1169.04] just as the first device ships, +[1169.36 --> 1170.50] my system dies +[1170.50 --> 1171.60] and I'm going to have to either go +[1171.60 --> 1173.02] all in on Z-Wave or Zigbee. +[1173.98 --> 1175.82] Zigbee's very well tested though. +[1176.28 --> 1177.68] I wouldn't imagine Matter's +[1177.68 --> 1178.96] going to be stable, +[1179.22 --> 1180.06] properly stable, +[1180.06 --> 1181.08] for another, +[1182.46 --> 1183.72] I don't want to say five years. +[1184.10 --> 1185.22] That might be a bit pessimistic, +[1185.42 --> 1185.88] but you know, +[1185.94 --> 1187.38] at least two or three +[1187.38 --> 1188.56] before we've got, +[1188.68 --> 1188.88] you know, +[1188.92 --> 1190.44] the ubiquitous level of devices +[1190.44 --> 1191.74] we have now in Zigbee land. +[1191.74 --> 1193.74] I pulled the trigger +[1193.74 --> 1194.60] and I pre-ordered +[1194.60 --> 1196.12] the Home Assistant, +[1196.26 --> 1196.98] I think they call it, +[1197.62 --> 1197.96] iLink? +[1198.02 --> 1198.94] What do they call it, Alex? +[1199.26 --> 1200.50] Sky Connect, I think. +[1200.96 --> 1201.52] Yeah, Sky Connect. +[1202.26 --> 1204.02] It is a Zigbee radio. +[1204.68 --> 1205.78] It has Zigbee and thread +[1205.78 --> 1206.64] and they promise +[1206.64 --> 1207.96] they'll do a firmware upgrade +[1207.96 --> 1209.46] and add Matter to it. +[1209.90 --> 1211.26] So Home Assistant Sky Connect +[1211.26 --> 1212.92] is their own hardware +[1212.92 --> 1214.52] Zigbee radio. +[1216.28 --> 1217.08] Which seems like, +[1217.16 --> 1217.40] okay, +[1217.52 --> 1218.38] so Home Assistant's +[1218.38 --> 1220.30] clearly going all in on Zigbee. +[1220.30 --> 1221.96] This is a clear signal +[1221.96 --> 1222.80] from the project. +[1222.96 --> 1223.90] Zigbee is the future +[1223.90 --> 1224.60] of Home Assistant +[1224.60 --> 1225.76] and Matter. +[1226.66 --> 1228.16] But then they made the announcement +[1228.16 --> 1229.42] that they just full-time +[1229.42 --> 1231.06] hired the Z-Wave integration guy. +[1231.78 --> 1233.42] And now the Z-Wave integration guy +[1233.42 --> 1235.12] is a Nebukasa employee. +[1235.82 --> 1236.24] Mixed messages, +[1236.36 --> 1237.02] it sounds like. +[1237.02 --> 1237.04] It is. +[1237.22 --> 1238.42] I'm so confused +[1238.42 --> 1239.24] as to what direction +[1239.24 --> 1240.26] to go right now. +[1240.62 --> 1242.38] I think what they're saying is, +[1242.50 --> 1243.66] whatever you want to use, +[1243.70 --> 1244.28] we're going to support. +[1244.62 --> 1245.28] And we're going to try +[1245.28 --> 1246.12] to support it really well. +[1246.16 --> 1246.94] But they haven't, like, +[1246.98 --> 1248.58] just clearly articulated that to me. +[1248.58 --> 1249.52] So I'm trying to figure out, like, +[1249.82 --> 1251.06] well, if I'm going to buy one device, +[1251.12 --> 1251.80] should I buy Zigbee +[1251.80 --> 1253.06] or should I be buying Z-Wave +[1253.06 --> 1253.74] or what? +[1254.46 --> 1254.72] It's like, +[1254.76 --> 1255.38] I'm probably going to have to +[1255.38 --> 1256.36] replace some of these devices +[1256.36 --> 1257.38] because some of these things +[1257.38 --> 1258.56] are probably not going to +[1258.56 --> 1259.44] unpair very easily +[1259.44 --> 1260.32] with my dead system. +[1261.84 --> 1262.98] Or are they saying that +[1262.98 --> 1264.30] when you buy this +[1264.30 --> 1265.14] in a year from now +[1265.14 --> 1265.94] when it actually lands +[1265.94 --> 1266.42] on your door, +[1266.52 --> 1268.16] then they'll be supporting it +[1268.16 --> 1268.56] full-time. +[1268.68 --> 1268.88] Yeah. +[1269.04 --> 1269.92] It is a pre-order +[1269.92 --> 1270.84] and it is, quote, +[1270.92 --> 1272.18] available soon. +[1272.54 --> 1273.64] So just as I'm finally +[1273.64 --> 1274.54] receiving my yellow, +[1274.68 --> 1275.54] we'll see how long it takes me +[1275.54 --> 1276.46] to get my Sky Connect. +[1276.46 --> 1280.84] linode.com slash SSH. +[1280.92 --> 1281.76] Go there to get $100 +[1281.76 --> 1282.92] in 60-day credit +[1282.92 --> 1283.58] on a new account. +[1283.72 --> 1284.32] It's just a great way +[1284.32 --> 1284.96] to support the show +[1284.96 --> 1285.52] while you're checking out +[1285.52 --> 1286.12] something awesome. +[1286.64 --> 1287.56] Linode is fast, +[1287.68 --> 1288.72] reliable cloud hosting +[1288.72 --> 1289.98] with the best support +[1289.98 --> 1290.58] in the business, +[1290.72 --> 1291.40] real humans, +[1292.02 --> 1292.68] every day. +[1292.92 --> 1293.62] It's how we run +[1293.62 --> 1294.76] everything we've built +[1294.76 --> 1295.64] in the last few years +[1295.64 --> 1296.08] in the cloud, +[1296.14 --> 1297.52] like our brand new website. +[1297.84 --> 1298.54] You've got to go check it out, +[1298.60 --> 1299.84] jupiterbroadcasting.com. +[1300.06 --> 1300.88] We use it +[1300.88 --> 1302.12] in our personal environments, +[1302.26 --> 1302.72] we use it +[1302.72 --> 1303.70] in our testing environments, +[1303.70 --> 1304.16] and we use it +[1304.16 --> 1305.04] in our production environments +[1305.04 --> 1306.04] because Linode's tooling +[1306.04 --> 1307.20] makes it really straightforward +[1307.20 --> 1308.48] to do all of that. +[1309.04 --> 1309.90] And Linode was built +[1309.90 --> 1311.18] nearly 19 years ago, +[1311.28 --> 1312.06] and they've just added +[1312.06 --> 1313.52] better and better things. +[1313.62 --> 1314.30] They've improved. +[1314.44 --> 1315.62] They've refined the service +[1315.62 --> 1316.06] over the years. +[1316.10 --> 1316.46] So now, +[1317.22 --> 1317.56] like, +[1317.84 --> 1318.90] we're riding on top +[1318.90 --> 1319.72] of years and years +[1319.72 --> 1320.72] and years of investment. +[1321.26 --> 1322.38] We get all of that +[1322.38 --> 1323.84] as just part of the product, +[1323.94 --> 1324.62] and Linode is still +[1324.62 --> 1325.92] 30% to 50% cheaper +[1325.92 --> 1326.88] than the hyperscalers +[1326.88 --> 1328.00] that want to lock you +[1328.00 --> 1329.10] into their crazy platforms +[1329.10 --> 1329.88] that are just secondary +[1329.88 --> 1330.86] to their main business. +[1331.78 --> 1332.70] And on top of that, +[1332.70 --> 1333.12] I think Linode +[1333.12 --> 1333.94] has the best performance +[1333.94 --> 1334.36] out there. +[1334.78 --> 1335.54] And independent testing +[1335.54 --> 1336.58] is also showing that. +[1336.84 --> 1337.36] And right now, +[1337.44 --> 1337.72] today, +[1337.90 --> 1339.00] Linode has 11 data centers +[1339.00 --> 1339.62] for you to choose from, +[1339.68 --> 1340.60] and that's a whole bunch +[1340.60 --> 1341.30] all over the world. +[1342.08 --> 1343.06] But coming soon, +[1343.40 --> 1344.50] there's going to be more +[1344.50 --> 1345.58] than a dozen new +[1345.58 --> 1346.44] Linode data centers +[1346.44 --> 1348.34] firing up across the world. +[1348.96 --> 1350.06] That's just going to be insane. +[1350.16 --> 1350.46] You're going to have +[1350.46 --> 1351.20] so much choice. +[1351.32 --> 1351.52] And you know, +[1351.56 --> 1352.84] Linode really is +[1352.84 --> 1354.34] just the perfect balance +[1354.34 --> 1355.44] of support, +[1355.84 --> 1356.32] performance, +[1356.60 --> 1357.60] and price. +[1357.92 --> 1358.62] So with that $100, +[1359.06 --> 1359.68] you get a chance +[1359.68 --> 1360.52] to see it for yourself. +[1360.52 --> 1361.82] That really is an opportunity +[1361.82 --> 1362.72] to kick the tires +[1362.72 --> 1363.68] and try it. +[1363.98 --> 1365.04] So go build something, +[1365.58 --> 1366.38] go learn something, +[1366.46 --> 1367.66] go experiment with something, +[1367.84 --> 1369.06] and support the show. +[1369.42 --> 1370.22] Try it for yourself. +[1370.34 --> 1371.26] Get that $100 at +[1371.26 --> 1373.52] linode.com slash SSH. +[1373.68 --> 1374.46] One more time, +[1374.54 --> 1377.32] that's linode.com slash SSH. +[1378.82 --> 1380.18] We're trying to review an app +[1380.18 --> 1381.18] that I've actually put +[1381.18 --> 1381.86] in the show notes +[1381.86 --> 1382.74] more times +[1382.74 --> 1383.76] than I can actually remember. +[1383.88 --> 1384.70] We just never quite +[1384.70 --> 1385.74] seem to get to it. +[1386.70 --> 1387.60] This time, +[1387.94 --> 1388.50] finally, +[1388.68 --> 1389.36] Invoice Ninja +[1389.36 --> 1390.16] has made the cut +[1390.16 --> 1390.88] into the show. +[1390.88 --> 1391.72] So I thought +[1391.72 --> 1392.46] it would be good +[1392.46 --> 1393.06] because I know, +[1393.38 --> 1393.56] Brent, +[1393.64 --> 1394.26] you do quite a lot +[1394.26 --> 1395.26] of freelancing stuff +[1395.26 --> 1396.02] with your photography +[1396.02 --> 1397.40] and other things, +[1397.54 --> 1397.72] you know, +[1397.80 --> 1398.94] podcast-related stuff. +[1399.12 --> 1399.76] So you're always +[1399.76 --> 1400.38] sending invoices +[1400.38 --> 1400.78] to people. +[1401.06 --> 1401.66] So I thought +[1401.66 --> 1402.28] whilst we had you +[1402.28 --> 1402.68] on the show, +[1402.74 --> 1403.60] it would be a good time +[1403.60 --> 1405.00] to discuss +[1405.00 --> 1405.90] Invoice Ninja. +[1406.48 --> 1406.84] Now, +[1406.90 --> 1407.48] this is a piece +[1407.48 --> 1407.90] of software +[1407.90 --> 1408.52] that allows you +[1408.52 --> 1409.02] to create +[1409.02 --> 1410.02] customisable +[1410.02 --> 1411.10] and nicely designed +[1411.10 --> 1412.40] invoices and quotes. +[1412.92 --> 1413.50] So essentially, +[1414.80 --> 1415.66] whenever I do +[1415.66 --> 1416.26] a piece of freelance +[1416.26 --> 1417.74] work for somebody, +[1417.74 --> 1419.72] I create a customer +[1419.72 --> 1420.96] in the Invoice Ninja +[1420.96 --> 1422.26] software and then +[1422.26 --> 1423.28] I create a product, +[1423.52 --> 1423.74] you know, +[1423.76 --> 1424.94] like a podcast episode, +[1425.04 --> 1425.48] for example, +[1425.64 --> 1427.06] or something like that. +[1427.18 --> 1428.54] And then I put in there, +[1428.58 --> 1428.80] you know, +[1428.84 --> 1429.74] what the product is. +[1429.84 --> 1430.84] It could be a physical +[1430.84 --> 1431.18] thing, +[1431.22 --> 1432.02] it could be a service, +[1432.16 --> 1432.42] whatever, +[1432.62 --> 1434.16] and it has a rate +[1434.16 --> 1434.98] attached to it, +[1435.00 --> 1435.80] a standard rate, +[1436.46 --> 1437.28] which I can go in +[1437.28 --> 1438.44] and customise if I want to, +[1438.52 --> 1439.62] but typically it doesn't +[1439.62 --> 1440.24] change that much +[1440.24 --> 1441.10] between clients. +[1441.76 --> 1442.36] After that, +[1442.44 --> 1442.98] it automatically +[1442.98 --> 1444.10] generates the invoice +[1444.10 --> 1445.44] based on my information +[1445.44 --> 1446.98] and the client's information. +[1447.98 --> 1449.22] And if you get fancy +[1449.22 --> 1450.94] and set up email with it, +[1450.98 --> 1451.92] which I've never done, +[1451.98 --> 1452.80] I always just download +[1452.80 --> 1454.02] the PDF once it's +[1454.02 --> 1454.84] generated the invoice +[1454.84 --> 1456.72] and stick it in my email +[1456.72 --> 1457.12] manually, +[1457.36 --> 1458.38] but it can actually +[1458.38 --> 1459.82] send emails directly +[1459.82 --> 1460.80] from the Invoice Ninja +[1460.80 --> 1462.10] software to the client, +[1462.58 --> 1463.30] which is a really nice +[1463.30 --> 1463.66] feature. +[1464.48 --> 1464.50] Alex, +[1464.68 --> 1465.62] you're right to include me +[1465.62 --> 1466.38] because I have a lot +[1466.38 --> 1467.16] of questions. +[1467.90 --> 1468.24] Okay, +[1468.48 --> 1468.96] fire away. +[1469.26 --> 1469.44] Okay, +[1469.50 --> 1470.26] you've been using this +[1470.26 --> 1470.88] for how long now? +[1471.04 --> 1471.74] I think it's been like +[1471.74 --> 1472.46] two years, +[1472.52 --> 1472.94] if I remember. +[1473.10 --> 1473.70] Two years, +[1473.80 --> 1474.76] plus however long it is +[1474.76 --> 1475.56] since I set you up +[1475.56 --> 1476.86] with your instance +[1476.86 --> 1478.46] that is probably dead +[1478.46 --> 1478.98] by now. +[1479.44 --> 1480.70] You did send me a backup, +[1480.90 --> 1481.86] so thank you for that. +[1482.10 --> 1482.40] Okay, +[1482.58 --> 1482.82] okay, +[1482.88 --> 1483.08] good. +[1483.38 --> 1483.58] Yeah, +[1483.62 --> 1483.88] Alex, +[1483.96 --> 1485.24] you shared with me +[1485.24 --> 1485.86] Invoice Ninja, +[1486.00 --> 1486.76] I think when you first +[1486.76 --> 1487.24] found it, +[1487.38 --> 1488.34] or maybe you were +[1488.34 --> 1489.00] a few months in +[1489.00 --> 1489.96] and you were crazy +[1489.96 --> 1490.66] excited about it +[1490.66 --> 1491.40] and I did get the +[1491.40 --> 1492.32] chance to try it. +[1492.44 --> 1492.58] Yeah, +[1492.70 --> 1494.76] it's years old +[1494.76 --> 1495.40] in my workflow +[1495.40 --> 1496.10] now at this point. +[1496.56 --> 1497.40] Everything you described +[1497.40 --> 1498.02] to your introduction +[1498.02 --> 1498.60] just there +[1498.60 --> 1500.10] is not something +[1500.10 --> 1500.92] that I think +[1500.92 --> 1501.86] is unique. +[1502.26 --> 1502.84] I'm curious +[1502.84 --> 1503.74] from your perspective, +[1503.74 --> 1505.04] what are the things +[1505.04 --> 1505.56] that you're really +[1505.56 --> 1506.22] loving about this? +[1506.30 --> 1507.98] Is it the fact +[1507.98 --> 1508.58] that you can +[1508.58 --> 1509.32] self-host it +[1509.32 --> 1509.84] really easily? +[1510.04 --> 1510.70] Is it the fact +[1510.70 --> 1511.48] that it's really +[1511.48 --> 1511.92] responsive? +[1512.18 --> 1513.24] Is it the interface? +[1513.54 --> 1514.18] What is it about it +[1514.18 --> 1514.88] that really grabs you? +[1514.96 --> 1515.06] Yeah, +[1515.08 --> 1515.96] I didn't touch much +[1515.96 --> 1517.02] on the actual +[1517.02 --> 1518.12] mechanics of hosting +[1518.12 --> 1518.62] this thing. +[1519.12 --> 1520.56] The Invoice Ninja project +[1520.56 --> 1522.06] actually has hosted +[1522.06 --> 1522.92] options which you can +[1522.92 --> 1523.88] pay monthly for. +[1524.38 --> 1524.76] However, +[1524.88 --> 1525.52] I don't do that. +[1525.70 --> 1526.50] I have a fully +[1526.50 --> 1527.44] self-hosted version +[1527.44 --> 1528.38] that lives on my server. +[1528.98 --> 1530.04] This thing requires +[1530.04 --> 1530.88] three containers. +[1531.08 --> 1531.50] So there's the +[1531.50 --> 1532.20] app container, +[1532.20 --> 1533.20] there's a database +[1533.20 --> 1534.50] container which in +[1534.50 --> 1535.16] my case I'm using +[1535.16 --> 1536.54] MySQL and then +[1536.54 --> 1537.34] there's a front end +[1537.34 --> 1538.24] which in my case +[1538.24 --> 1539.08] I'm using Nginx +[1539.08 --> 1539.98] which I then proxy +[1539.98 --> 1540.72] through traffic. +[1541.64 --> 1542.60] So I'll tell you +[1542.60 --> 1543.38] what I like about it. +[1543.46 --> 1544.22] Just as a piece +[1544.22 --> 1544.68] of software, +[1545.40 --> 1546.98] it looks nice. +[1547.48 --> 1547.58] Yeah, +[1547.64 --> 1548.30] I'll agree with that. +[1548.64 --> 1549.32] I like the fact +[1549.32 --> 1550.06] that when I create +[1550.06 --> 1551.14] an invoice it gives +[1551.14 --> 1552.18] me a little chart +[1552.18 --> 1553.10] that says you're owed +[1553.10 --> 1553.86] I don't know +[1553.86 --> 1555.42] $500 this month +[1555.42 --> 1556.30] and then until +[1556.30 --> 1557.60] you mark that invoice +[1557.60 --> 1559.32] as received +[1559.32 --> 1559.94] or paid +[1559.94 --> 1560.98] it will show you +[1560.98 --> 1561.88] a pending number +[1561.88 --> 1562.74] versus a last +[1562.74 --> 1563.58] 30 day number +[1563.58 --> 1565.36] versus a 90 day +[1565.36 --> 1566.16] number or whatever +[1566.16 --> 1566.56] you want. +[1567.42 --> 1568.06] So I could see +[1568.06 --> 1569.02] this being very useful +[1569.02 --> 1569.78] for people who are +[1569.78 --> 1570.36] actually sending +[1570.36 --> 1571.46] hundreds of invoices +[1571.46 --> 1572.12] every day. +[1572.56 --> 1573.70] Less useful for me +[1573.70 --> 1574.52] who sends maybe +[1574.52 --> 1575.12] one a month +[1575.12 --> 1575.84] or two a month +[1575.84 --> 1577.58] but it's still nice +[1577.58 --> 1578.32] to have a record +[1578.32 --> 1578.72] of everything +[1578.72 --> 1579.36] I've ever sent +[1579.36 --> 1580.94] in one place. +[1581.64 --> 1582.16] The other thing +[1582.16 --> 1582.98] that I like about it +[1582.98 --> 1584.06] too is that +[1584.06 --> 1585.28] I can +[1585.28 --> 1587.36] tweak stuff +[1587.36 --> 1589.18] and I feel like +[1589.18 --> 1591.04] I'm driving +[1591.04 --> 1591.98] a really powerful +[1591.98 --> 1592.78] sports car +[1592.78 --> 1593.36] and I'm +[1593.36 --> 1593.98] okay I'm only +[1593.98 --> 1594.90] pootling down the road +[1594.90 --> 1595.98] at 30 miles an hour +[1595.98 --> 1597.64] but it's nice to know +[1597.64 --> 1598.56] that it's got +[1598.56 --> 1599.46] all of that other +[1599.46 --> 1599.96] stuff there +[1599.96 --> 1601.00] should I ever need it. +[1601.32 --> 1601.80] Yeah and I think +[1601.80 --> 1603.30] too it's pretty quick +[1603.30 --> 1604.26] that the pricing +[1604.26 --> 1605.08] on a lot of the +[1605.08 --> 1606.20] hosted invoicing +[1606.20 --> 1607.70] can get really +[1607.70 --> 1608.44] expensive. +[1609.50 --> 1610.04] You know I +[1610.04 --> 1611.20] have been a customer +[1611.20 --> 1611.74] of FreshBooks +[1611.74 --> 1612.80] for a long time +[1612.80 --> 1614.34] but I think +[1614.34 --> 1614.68] I'm paying +[1614.68 --> 1615.60] somewhere near +[1615.60 --> 1616.80] $50 a month +[1616.80 --> 1617.62] or something like that +[1617.62 --> 1618.40] $60 a month +[1618.40 --> 1619.00] for the package +[1619.00 --> 1619.98] well JB does +[1619.98 --> 1620.36] not me +[1620.36 --> 1621.70] but it's actually +[1621.70 --> 1622.64] kind of a good deal +[1622.64 --> 1623.44] for a lot of these things. +[1623.54 --> 1624.04] People pay +[1624.04 --> 1625.50] astronomical prices +[1625.50 --> 1626.42] for QuickBooks +[1626.42 --> 1626.98] and the invoicing +[1626.98 --> 1627.50] components. +[1628.30 --> 1628.92] So there's that +[1628.92 --> 1630.16] aspect of invoicing +[1630.16 --> 1631.20] besides the UI +[1631.20 --> 1632.12] and besides the +[1632.12 --> 1632.60] self-hosting +[1632.60 --> 1633.12] and the tinkering +[1633.12 --> 1633.62] there's the +[1633.62 --> 1634.80] cost savings too. +[1635.32 --> 1635.68] In addition +[1635.68 --> 1636.72] it does a whole +[1636.72 --> 1637.58] bunch of other stuff +[1637.58 --> 1638.58] so I can set up +[1638.58 --> 1639.24] things like +[1639.24 --> 1640.34] recurring invoices +[1640.34 --> 1641.14] if I want to +[1641.14 --> 1642.12] in a separate area +[1642.12 --> 1643.34] from individual invoices +[1643.34 --> 1644.92] I can record +[1644.92 --> 1645.66] manually +[1645.66 --> 1646.70] all the payments +[1646.70 --> 1647.36] that come in +[1647.36 --> 1648.28] and attach those +[1648.28 --> 1649.54] to specific invoices +[1649.54 --> 1650.36] if I want to. +[1650.82 --> 1651.94] I can also do things +[1651.94 --> 1652.60] like quotes +[1652.60 --> 1653.30] and proposals +[1653.30 --> 1654.10] and set up +[1654.10 --> 1655.10] specific projects +[1655.10 --> 1655.64] and attach +[1655.64 --> 1656.38] different things +[1656.38 --> 1657.96] within Invoice Ninja +[1657.96 --> 1659.36] to different projects +[1659.36 --> 1660.22] and what have you +[1660.22 --> 1661.14] which you know +[1661.14 --> 1661.66] if I was +[1661.66 --> 1662.52] I don't know +[1662.52 --> 1663.24] let's say running +[1663.24 --> 1664.38] a home improvement company +[1664.38 --> 1665.38] that could be quite useful +[1665.38 --> 1666.90] to have different quotes +[1666.90 --> 1668.22] for the same person +[1668.22 --> 1669.88] within a single project +[1669.88 --> 1670.44] for example +[1670.44 --> 1671.34] or something like that. +[1671.82 --> 1672.90] I can also do things +[1672.90 --> 1673.68] like track +[1673.68 --> 1675.18] different vendors +[1675.18 --> 1676.22] so I can say +[1676.22 --> 1677.52] well this vendor +[1677.52 --> 1678.76] I've sent them +[1678.76 --> 1679.20] this money +[1679.20 --> 1679.88] for this product +[1679.88 --> 1681.40] and like I say +[1681.40 --> 1682.88] it's an incredibly +[1682.88 --> 1683.98] powerful piece of software +[1683.98 --> 1685.26] that I'm really only +[1685.26 --> 1686.46] scratching the surface of +[1686.46 --> 1688.18] by pretty much +[1688.18 --> 1689.16] only using the invoice +[1689.16 --> 1690.00] portion of it +[1690.00 --> 1692.50] but it has the ability +[1692.50 --> 1693.52] to run some pretty +[1693.52 --> 1694.86] sophisticated reporting +[1694.86 --> 1695.26] as well +[1695.26 --> 1695.78] so again +[1695.78 --> 1697.16] if I was a bit more +[1697.16 --> 1697.70] of a serious +[1697.70 --> 1698.66] small business owner +[1698.66 --> 1699.48] or something like that +[1699.48 --> 1700.54] which I'm not +[1700.54 --> 1701.70] I could +[1701.70 --> 1702.28] you know +[1702.28 --> 1702.94] let's say +[1702.94 --> 1704.08] give me the last +[1704.08 --> 1704.66] you know +[1704.66 --> 1705.44] every invoice +[1705.44 --> 1706.08] this year +[1706.08 --> 1707.82] to a specific client +[1707.82 --> 1708.88] or something like that +[1708.88 --> 1710.54] and it'll just show me +[1710.54 --> 1711.12] all those things +[1711.12 --> 1711.84] in one place. +[1712.52 --> 1712.82] Now Alex +[1712.82 --> 1713.78] have you used anything else +[1713.78 --> 1714.30] for invoicing +[1714.30 --> 1715.00] or is this kind of +[1715.00 --> 1716.06] your first foray +[1716.06 --> 1717.52] into this style of software +[1717.52 --> 1719.00] to help you accomplish things? +[1719.42 --> 1720.32] I used to just have +[1720.32 --> 1721.58] a Google sheet +[1721.58 --> 1722.20] that I've +[1722.20 --> 1722.50] you know +[1722.50 --> 1723.48] manually changed +[1723.48 --> 1724.66] and filled out things +[1724.66 --> 1726.74] for a long time +[1726.74 --> 1727.60] which is also +[1727.60 --> 1728.32] very powerful. +[1728.78 --> 1729.60] It can be +[1729.60 --> 1730.68] but it's also +[1730.68 --> 1731.56] you know +[1731.56 --> 1732.08] you don't really +[1732.08 --> 1732.86] have a record +[1732.86 --> 1733.88] unless you do +[1733.88 --> 1734.44] a new sheet +[1734.44 --> 1735.08] per invoice +[1735.08 --> 1735.50] or something +[1735.50 --> 1736.66] of what you've done +[1736.66 --> 1738.56] but this is the first +[1738.56 --> 1739.68] kind of invoicing +[1739.68 --> 1741.02] suite +[1741.02 --> 1741.92] I guess +[1741.92 --> 1742.56] that I've used. +[1743.20 --> 1744.10] Because many of the features +[1744.10 --> 1744.92] you described +[1744.92 --> 1745.88] are yeah +[1745.88 --> 1746.68] they're great +[1746.68 --> 1747.48] they're not unique +[1747.48 --> 1748.98] but what I have found +[1748.98 --> 1749.66] when I used +[1749.66 --> 1750.24] Invoice Ninja +[1750.24 --> 1750.86] was that they're +[1750.86 --> 1752.16] very well implemented +[1752.16 --> 1753.08] and like you mentioned +[1753.08 --> 1754.78] they allowed you +[1754.78 --> 1755.78] to really tweak +[1755.78 --> 1756.42] a lot of things. +[1756.80 --> 1757.50] I have been using +[1757.50 --> 1758.26] for many years +[1758.26 --> 1759.10] a piece of software +[1759.10 --> 1760.56] called Invoice Plane +[1760.56 --> 1762.54] and it is +[1762.54 --> 1763.72] far more basic +[1763.72 --> 1764.74] it is self-hosted +[1764.74 --> 1765.52] and I have some +[1765.52 --> 1766.30] automated emails +[1766.30 --> 1766.82] and stuff +[1766.82 --> 1768.12] sending out of there +[1768.12 --> 1770.68] but I do find +[1770.68 --> 1771.90] after having used +[1771.90 --> 1772.52] Invoice Ninja +[1772.52 --> 1773.26] thanks to you +[1773.26 --> 1774.04] that I feel +[1774.04 --> 1774.88] it's lacking now +[1774.88 --> 1775.84] and every time +[1775.84 --> 1776.22] I use it +[1776.22 --> 1776.48] I'm like +[1776.48 --> 1776.92] oh god +[1776.92 --> 1777.80] I really gotta switch over +[1777.80 --> 1779.38] I gotta change this +[1779.38 --> 1780.46] so I think you +[1780.46 --> 1781.50] made probably +[1781.50 --> 1782.76] a really nice choice +[1782.76 --> 1783.66] in choosing +[1783.66 --> 1784.22] your first piece +[1784.22 --> 1784.56] of software +[1784.56 --> 1785.28] because often +[1785.28 --> 1786.60] the hardest part +[1786.60 --> 1787.76] is taking +[1787.76 --> 1788.40] all that information +[1788.40 --> 1789.30] out of these pieces +[1789.30 --> 1789.72] of software +[1789.72 --> 1790.46] and switching +[1790.46 --> 1791.16] to something new +[1791.16 --> 1791.82] that's one thing +[1791.82 --> 1792.64] I really struggle with +[1792.64 --> 1793.30] and so +[1793.30 --> 1794.06] have you investigated +[1794.06 --> 1794.58] at all +[1794.58 --> 1795.98] what the +[1795.98 --> 1797.64] importing and exporting +[1797.64 --> 1799.52] parts of this +[1799.52 --> 1800.56] database might look like +[1800.56 --> 1801.66] and what that's like +[1801.66 --> 1802.58] to port to something new +[1802.58 --> 1803.22] if you so choose? +[1803.70 --> 1804.38] Well I just +[1804.38 --> 1805.18] whilst we were talking +[1805.18 --> 1805.76] just then +[1805.76 --> 1808.14] exported a CSV report +[1808.14 --> 1809.26] of every +[1809.26 --> 1811.76] invoice that I've sent +[1811.76 --> 1812.22] this year +[1812.22 --> 1812.94] so let's just take +[1812.94 --> 1813.76] a quick look at that +[1813.76 --> 1815.02] Apple Numbers of course +[1815.02 --> 1815.50] is going to be +[1815.50 --> 1816.80] a real fun time +[1816.80 --> 1818.34] so the CSV +[1818.34 --> 1819.16] is exactly +[1819.16 --> 1819.86] what you'd expect +[1819.86 --> 1820.72] it's just a bunch +[1820.72 --> 1821.86] of this client +[1821.86 --> 1822.52] this date +[1822.52 --> 1823.34] this invoice number +[1823.34 --> 1823.94] this amount +[1823.94 --> 1824.54] status +[1824.54 --> 1825.68] all that kind of stuff +[1825.68 --> 1827.00] and so if you can +[1827.00 --> 1827.94] get it out to a +[1827.94 --> 1829.46] format that you +[1829.46 --> 1830.24] you know +[1830.24 --> 1832.08] own like a CSV file +[1832.08 --> 1833.22] there's no +[1833.22 --> 1834.54] QuickBooks or FreshBooks +[1834.54 --> 1835.74] kind of proprietary +[1835.74 --> 1837.28] license required +[1837.28 --> 1838.34] and that's a huge +[1838.34 --> 1838.96] thing for me +[1838.96 --> 1839.82] given I just do this +[1839.82 --> 1840.28] as a +[1840.28 --> 1840.62] you know +[1840.62 --> 1841.98] spare time thing +[1841.98 --> 1842.76] so yeah +[1842.76 --> 1843.02] I think +[1843.02 --> 1844.28] CSV seems to be +[1844.28 --> 1844.64] pretty good +[1844.64 --> 1845.42] I haven't +[1845.42 --> 1846.40] actually done +[1846.40 --> 1846.96] anything with +[1846.96 --> 1848.04] importing though +[1848.04 --> 1849.52] Well I have +[1849.52 --> 1850.04] another question +[1850.04 --> 1850.46] for you +[1850.46 --> 1851.60] I overheard +[1851.60 --> 1852.02] when I was +[1852.02 --> 1852.74] at your place +[1852.74 --> 1853.14] last +[1853.14 --> 1854.18] that your +[1854.18 --> 1855.20] wife Catherine +[1855.20 --> 1855.94] has been using +[1855.94 --> 1856.48] it as well +[1856.48 --> 1857.00] did you get +[1857.00 --> 1857.50] any feedback +[1857.50 --> 1858.46] from her +[1858.46 --> 1859.04] using it +[1859.04 --> 1860.02] in her business? +[1860.72 --> 1861.12] Yeah I think +[1861.12 --> 1861.60] it's massive +[1861.60 --> 1862.12] overkill +[1862.12 --> 1863.14] for just invoicing +[1863.14 --> 1863.70] a few music +[1863.70 --> 1864.20] students +[1864.20 --> 1865.18] parents +[1865.18 --> 1866.92] but +[1866.92 --> 1868.18] she likes it +[1868.18 --> 1868.34] I mean +[1868.34 --> 1868.82] she has her +[1868.82 --> 1869.26] own login +[1869.26 --> 1869.94] she you know +[1869.94 --> 1870.98] has a shortcut +[1870.98 --> 1871.66] on her +[1871.66 --> 1872.30] browsers +[1872.30 --> 1872.90] bookmarks +[1872.90 --> 1874.32] she just logs +[1874.32 --> 1874.78] in and just +[1874.78 --> 1875.36] does the thing +[1875.36 --> 1876.50] and like I do +[1876.50 --> 1877.00] once a month +[1877.00 --> 1877.38] I guess +[1877.38 --> 1877.76] and just +[1877.76 --> 1878.54] sends the invoice +[1878.54 --> 1879.04] out and +[1879.04 --> 1880.54] it's all good +[1880.54 --> 1882.10] I've just found +[1882.10 --> 1882.90] the import data +[1882.90 --> 1883.58] pane by the way +[1883.58 --> 1884.20] and it supports +[1884.20 --> 1885.26] a huge number +[1885.26 --> 1886.14] of different +[1886.14 --> 1886.84] formats +[1886.84 --> 1887.10] you've got +[1887.10 --> 1887.52] CSV +[1887.52 --> 1888.08] JSON +[1888.08 --> 1888.96] FreshBooks +[1888.96 --> 1890.18] blah blah blah +[1890.18 --> 1891.16] invoice plane +[1891.16 --> 1891.80] is one of them +[1891.80 --> 1892.56] I would just say +[1892.56 --> 1893.44] there's about +[1893.44 --> 1894.52] 10 or 12 +[1894.52 --> 1895.28] different options +[1895.28 --> 1896.18] for importing +[1896.18 --> 1897.00] and exporting +[1897.00 --> 1898.38] is CSV +[1898.38 --> 1898.94] XLS +[1898.94 --> 1899.58] or JSON +[1899.58 --> 1900.26] sounds like +[1900.26 --> 1900.56] you've got +[1900.56 --> 1900.98] me hooked +[1900.98 --> 1901.36] yeah there's +[1901.36 --> 1901.84] no downside +[1901.84 --> 1902.54] I can see +[1902.54 --> 1902.98] next +[1902.98 --> 1903.76] yeah and even +[1903.76 --> 1904.38] if you try it +[1904.38 --> 1904.62] and you don't +[1904.62 --> 1904.92] like it +[1904.92 --> 1905.36] it sounds like +[1905.36 --> 1905.76] there's +[1905.76 --> 1906.28] it's pretty easy +[1906.28 --> 1906.74] to get out +[1906.74 --> 1907.74] so it's no +[1907.74 --> 1908.48] real downside +[1908.48 --> 1909.08] to trying it +[1909.08 --> 1910.76] I know a lot +[1910.76 --> 1911.00] of people +[1911.00 --> 1911.60] listening to +[1911.60 --> 1911.98] this show +[1911.98 --> 1912.94] probably love +[1912.94 --> 1913.66] their YubiKey +[1913.66 --> 1914.64] I've heard +[1914.64 --> 1915.12] from some of +[1915.12 --> 1915.28] them +[1915.28 --> 1916.16] and it sounds +[1916.16 --> 1917.18] like Cloudflare +[1917.18 --> 1918.06] is going to +[1918.06 --> 1918.94] work with +[1918.94 --> 1919.54] YubiKeys +[1919.54 --> 1920.04] I really +[1920.04 --> 1921.14] I mean I +[1921.14 --> 1921.40] didn't know +[1921.40 --> 1921.94] they didn't +[1921.94 --> 1922.58] tell us all +[1922.58 --> 1923.02] about this +[1923.02 --> 1923.50] one Alex +[1923.50 --> 1925.22] well the first +[1925.22 --> 1925.70] thing about +[1925.70 --> 1926.40] YubiKeys +[1926.40 --> 1927.52] we should explain +[1927.52 --> 1927.96] what they are +[1927.96 --> 1928.76] for those that +[1928.76 --> 1929.28] don't know +[1929.28 --> 1930.10] they're a +[1930.10 --> 1930.52] hardware +[1930.52 --> 1931.12] two-factor +[1931.12 --> 1931.60] authentication +[1931.60 --> 1932.24] token +[1932.24 --> 1932.82] so essentially +[1932.82 --> 1933.16] what that +[1933.16 --> 1933.60] means is +[1933.60 --> 1934.08] whenever you +[1934.08 --> 1934.64] log into +[1934.64 --> 1935.54] a specific +[1935.54 --> 1937.04] login portal +[1937.04 --> 1937.58] website +[1937.58 --> 1938.46] piece of +[1938.46 --> 1938.68] software +[1938.68 --> 1938.92] whatever +[1938.92 --> 1939.38] that needs +[1939.38 --> 1939.84] 2FA +[1939.84 --> 1941.82] that six-digit +[1941.82 --> 1942.42] code or +[1942.42 --> 1942.70] whatever +[1942.70 --> 1943.64] it could be +[1943.64 --> 1944.88] an alphanumeric +[1944.88 --> 1945.28] string +[1945.28 --> 1946.10] in the case +[1946.10 --> 1946.72] of a YubiKey +[1946.72 --> 1947.84] you have to +[1947.84 --> 1948.84] physically plug +[1948.84 --> 1949.42] in a USB +[1949.42 --> 1950.18] device into +[1950.18 --> 1950.76] your computer +[1950.76 --> 1952.02] or your phone +[1952.02 --> 1953.06] via NFC +[1953.06 --> 1954.44] the two-factor +[1954.44 --> 1955.42] piece is stored +[1955.42 --> 1956.22] in the hardware +[1956.22 --> 1957.24] of the YubiKey +[1957.24 --> 1958.62] that has a few +[1958.62 --> 1959.06] benefits +[1959.06 --> 1960.54] obviously unless +[1960.54 --> 1961.04] someone has +[1961.04 --> 1961.80] physical access +[1961.80 --> 1962.62] to my hardware +[1962.62 --> 1963.60] two-factor token +[1963.60 --> 1965.12] they can't +[1965.12 --> 1965.64] log in +[1965.64 --> 1966.74] the downside +[1966.74 --> 1967.56] is that includes +[1967.56 --> 1968.82] me and +[1968.82 --> 1969.90] what I found +[1969.90 --> 1971.08] when I got +[1971.08 --> 1971.90] a free YubiKey +[1971.90 --> 1972.28] back at +[1972.28 --> 1972.78] DockerCon +[1972.78 --> 1974.90] in 2015 +[1974.90 --> 1976.66] I think +[1976.66 --> 1977.62] because they +[1977.62 --> 1977.94] were doing +[1977.94 --> 1979.04] some push +[1979.04 --> 1979.56] to get people +[1979.56 --> 1980.10] to sign +[1980.10 --> 1980.74] Docker images +[1980.74 --> 1981.26] back then +[1981.26 --> 1982.42] so I tried +[1982.42 --> 1982.98] it for a while +[1982.98 --> 1983.26] because you +[1983.26 --> 1983.94] can load SSH +[1983.94 --> 1984.60] keys onto this +[1984.60 --> 1985.22] thing as well +[1985.22 --> 1986.34] secrets can +[1986.34 --> 1986.80] include a +[1986.80 --> 1987.54] private key +[1987.54 --> 1989.42] all that kind +[1989.42 --> 1989.70] of stuff +[1989.70 --> 1990.60] even your +[1990.60 --> 1991.20] Bitwarden +[1991.20 --> 1991.66] two-factor +[1991.66 --> 1992.10] authentication +[1992.10 --> 1992.94] token can +[1992.94 --> 1993.56] be stored +[1993.56 --> 1994.54] and set up +[1994.54 --> 1994.94] to work +[1994.94 --> 1995.60] with a YubiKey +[1995.60 --> 1997.00] the trouble +[1997.00 --> 1998.76] is my +[1998.76 --> 1999.26] YubiKey is +[1999.26 --> 1999.66] always at the +[1999.66 --> 1999.98] wrong end +[1999.98 --> 2000.52] of the house +[2000.52 --> 2001.60] it's always +[2001.60 --> 2001.98] at the opposite +[2001.98 --> 2002.38] end of the +[2002.38 --> 2002.72] house from +[2002.72 --> 2003.36] where I am +[2003.36 --> 2004.18] and so whenever +[2004.18 --> 2004.60] I want to +[2004.60 --> 2005.02] log into +[2005.02 --> 2005.66] something +[2005.66 --> 2006.40] I'm like +[2006.40 --> 2006.84] damn it +[2006.84 --> 2007.44] I have to +[2007.44 --> 2008.10] run from +[2008.10 --> 2008.36] one end +[2008.36 --> 2008.62] of the house +[2008.62 --> 2009.04] to the other +[2009.04 --> 2010.14] or just have +[2010.14 --> 2010.80] multiple +[2010.80 --> 2011.66] YubiKeys +[2011.66 --> 2012.70] I feel like +[2012.70 --> 2012.96] there's some +[2012.96 --> 2013.58] universal law +[2013.58 --> 2014.36] about two-factor +[2014.36 --> 2015.24] and the device +[2015.24 --> 2015.66] you're using +[2015.66 --> 2016.28] is always at +[2016.28 --> 2016.60] the other end +[2016.60 --> 2017.04] of the house +[2017.04 --> 2018.00] yeah that's +[2018.00 --> 2018.32] true +[2018.32 --> 2019.18] I remember +[2019.18 --> 2019.64] our friend +[2019.64 --> 2020.56] Noah wears it +[2020.56 --> 2021.16] around his neck +[2021.16 --> 2021.68] for that very +[2021.68 --> 2022.02] reason +[2022.02 --> 2022.92] I mean so +[2022.92 --> 2023.56] it's not to say +[2023.56 --> 2024.14] that they're not +[2024.14 --> 2024.68] good because +[2024.68 --> 2025.50] they're incredibly +[2025.50 --> 2026.78] useful in the +[2026.78 --> 2027.74] workplace for +[2027.74 --> 2028.40] example you want +[2028.40 --> 2029.08] to give someone +[2029.08 --> 2030.40] access to some +[2030.40 --> 2031.26] privileged secrets +[2031.26 --> 2032.56] you give them +[2032.56 --> 2033.44] this hardware token +[2033.44 --> 2034.36] and at work +[2034.36 --> 2035.54] typically that's +[2035.54 --> 2036.22] you know the +[2036.22 --> 2037.46] most common use +[2037.46 --> 2038.14] case for it I +[2038.14 --> 2038.56] would say +[2038.56 --> 2039.72] and so what +[2039.72 --> 2040.52] Cloudflare are doing +[2040.52 --> 2041.14] is they're running +[2041.14 --> 2041.66] a promotion +[2041.66 --> 2043.32] with YubiKey +[2043.32 --> 2045.18] to provide +[2045.18 --> 2046.06] these security +[2046.06 --> 2046.94] keys at +[2046.94 --> 2047.82] air quotes +[2047.82 --> 2048.84] good for the +[2048.84 --> 2049.44] internet +[2049.44 --> 2050.38] end quotes +[2050.38 --> 2050.96] pricing +[2050.96 --> 2052.72] and they start +[2052.72 --> 2053.42] as low as +[2053.42 --> 2054.14] ten dollars +[2054.14 --> 2054.96] per YubiKey +[2054.96 --> 2055.52] now typically +[2055.52 --> 2056.12] these things +[2056.12 --> 2056.66] are thirty +[2056.66 --> 2057.92] forty plus +[2057.92 --> 2058.52] each +[2058.52 --> 2060.18] so actually +[2060.18 --> 2060.68] that could be +[2060.68 --> 2061.50] a huge boon +[2061.50 --> 2062.00] if you've been +[2062.00 --> 2062.56] looking to get +[2062.56 --> 2063.20] involved with +[2063.20 --> 2063.80] the Yubico +[2063.80 --> 2064.80] YubiKey stuff +[2064.80 --> 2066.46] sign up to +[2066.46 --> 2067.62] this offer +[2067.62 --> 2068.22] that's in the +[2068.22 --> 2068.62] show notes +[2068.62 --> 2069.28] with Cloudflare +[2069.28 --> 2069.96] it's not sponsored +[2069.96 --> 2070.46] or affiliated +[2070.46 --> 2071.32] it's just a +[2071.32 --> 2072.62] Cloudflare thing +[2072.62 --> 2074.08] and get yourself +[2074.08 --> 2074.84] a cheap YubiKey +[2074.84 --> 2076.46] good for the +[2076.46 --> 2077.24] internet pricing +[2077.24 --> 2078.10] is adorable +[2078.10 --> 2078.66] I know +[2078.66 --> 2080.60] I thought we're +[2080.60 --> 2081.16] supposed to hate +[2081.16 --> 2081.78] Cloudflare +[2081.78 --> 2082.50] but I can't help +[2082.50 --> 2082.96] but think this +[2082.96 --> 2083.64] is a good idea +[2083.64 --> 2084.66] this is truly +[2084.66 --> 2085.16] good for the +[2085.16 --> 2085.66] security of the +[2085.66 --> 2085.94] internet +[2085.94 --> 2087.24] you know Chris +[2087.24 --> 2088.00] I did find a +[2088.00 --> 2088.78] YubiKey in your +[2088.78 --> 2089.82] closet one time +[2089.82 --> 2090.48] I think the last +[2090.48 --> 2091.14] time I was here +[2091.14 --> 2093.28] Brent you're +[2093.28 --> 2093.68] going through my +[2093.68 --> 2094.04] closet +[2094.04 --> 2094.78] no no I just +[2094.78 --> 2096.68] well we'll talk +[2096.68 --> 2097.20] about it later +[2097.20 --> 2100.00] you know there +[2100.00 --> 2100.42] used to be lots +[2100.42 --> 2101.08] of reasons not +[2101.08 --> 2101.80] to use YubiKey +[2101.80 --> 2103.60] laziness being +[2103.60 --> 2103.94] at the wrong +[2103.94 --> 2104.22] end of the +[2104.22 --> 2104.74] house is one +[2104.74 --> 2105.04] of them +[2105.04 --> 2106.30] but they didn't +[2106.30 --> 2106.86] used to make a +[2106.86 --> 2107.88] USB-C specific +[2107.88 --> 2108.90] one that was +[2108.90 --> 2109.72] low profile for +[2109.72 --> 2110.36] like MacBooks +[2110.36 --> 2110.74] and stuff +[2110.74 --> 2111.54] they fixed that +[2111.54 --> 2112.44] that's now a +[2112.44 --> 2113.12] low profile one +[2113.12 --> 2114.36] for MacBooks +[2114.36 --> 2115.38] they didn't +[2115.38 --> 2115.90] used to work +[2115.90 --> 2116.80] on mobile +[2116.80 --> 2117.58] devices but +[2117.58 --> 2118.20] they now do +[2118.20 --> 2119.18] through NFC +[2119.18 --> 2121.18] so really +[2121.18 --> 2122.12] there's no real +[2122.12 --> 2122.82] reason if you're +[2122.82 --> 2123.74] curious not to +[2123.74 --> 2124.48] try one at a +[2124.48 --> 2125.58] $10 entry price +[2125.58 --> 2126.70] that is a +[2126.70 --> 2127.00] really good +[2127.00 --> 2127.86] point I've +[2127.86 --> 2128.54] I've looked at +[2128.54 --> 2130.10] these keys many +[2130.10 --> 2131.00] times both the +[2131.00 --> 2131.56] YubiKey and +[2131.56 --> 2132.50] alternatives and +[2132.50 --> 2133.04] I've always +[2133.04 --> 2134.22] hesitated to pull +[2134.22 --> 2135.64] the trigger a on +[2135.64 --> 2136.24] price because +[2136.24 --> 2137.06] actually you kind of +[2137.06 --> 2137.74] need two of them +[2137.74 --> 2139.04] one is your main +[2139.04 --> 2139.82] one is the backup +[2139.82 --> 2141.34] but the other +[2141.34 --> 2142.08] reason was always +[2142.08 --> 2142.88] that I couldn't +[2142.88 --> 2143.78] quite figure out +[2143.78 --> 2144.40] all of the +[2144.40 --> 2145.20] different features +[2145.20 --> 2145.98] and you know +[2145.98 --> 2146.76] which is it +[2146.76 --> 2147.50] FIDO that I +[2147.50 --> 2148.28] need to support +[2148.28 --> 2148.92] everything it's +[2148.92 --> 2149.50] like it seemed +[2149.50 --> 2151.60] like 12 websites +[2151.60 --> 2152.36] use this one +[2152.36 --> 2153.46] proprietary way of +[2153.46 --> 2154.14] doing it and +[2154.14 --> 2154.82] the other 12 +[2154.82 --> 2155.48] use this other +[2155.48 --> 2156.12] method so I +[2156.12 --> 2156.88] always got lost +[2156.88 --> 2157.84] in all of those +[2157.84 --> 2158.68] details and +[2158.68 --> 2159.58] complexity and I +[2159.58 --> 2160.70] hope that maybe +[2160.70 --> 2162.06] that's been solved +[2162.06 --> 2162.70] recently do you +[2162.70 --> 2163.62] have any sense of +[2163.62 --> 2164.32] whether they're +[2164.32 --> 2165.26] easier these days +[2165.26 --> 2165.64] than they were +[2165.64 --> 2166.34] maybe five years +[2166.34 --> 2167.06] ago I think +[2167.06 --> 2167.38] they're more +[2167.38 --> 2168.40] mature and they +[2168.40 --> 2169.12] support a lot +[2169.12 --> 2169.88] more stuff than +[2169.88 --> 2170.78] they used to I +[2170.78 --> 2171.20] don't know whether +[2171.20 --> 2171.86] that makes it +[2171.86 --> 2173.02] simpler or more +[2173.02 --> 2173.84] approachable though +[2173.84 --> 2174.96] if anything it +[2174.96 --> 2175.60] makes it worse +[2175.60 --> 2176.02] because there's +[2176.02 --> 2176.66] more options +[2176.66 --> 2178.12] that's why I +[2178.12 --> 2178.50] kind of debate +[2178.50 --> 2179.18] like maybe the +[2179.18 --> 2179.78] maybe the sweet +[2179.78 --> 2180.40] spot is like an +[2180.40 --> 2181.26] authenticator app on +[2181.26 --> 2182.78] your phone but I +[2182.78 --> 2184.12] do kind of I +[2184.12 --> 2184.96] love that idea of +[2184.96 --> 2185.56] you plug in a +[2185.56 --> 2186.30] hardware device +[2186.30 --> 2187.38] that does something +[2187.38 --> 2188.32] feels like you'd +[2188.32 --> 2188.68] really want to +[2188.68 --> 2189.86] combine a two +[2189.86 --> 2190.96] factor code on +[2190.96 --> 2192.28] authentication app +[2192.28 --> 2193.16] with a hardware +[2193.16 --> 2194.40] device with a +[2194.40 --> 2195.30] password potentially +[2195.30 --> 2197.08] or as a backup +[2197.08 --> 2197.56] you know when +[2197.56 --> 2198.66] places do SMS +[2198.66 --> 2199.40] phishing attacks +[2199.40 --> 2200.04] and stuff that's +[2200.04 --> 2200.50] one of the most +[2200.50 --> 2201.20] common attack +[2201.20 --> 2202.92] vectors is people +[2202.92 --> 2203.98] steal your SMS +[2203.98 --> 2206.08] access send a +[2206.08 --> 2206.92] two factor code +[2206.92 --> 2208.02] there whilst they +[2208.02 --> 2208.80] have the temporary +[2208.80 --> 2210.08] access before you +[2210.08 --> 2211.66] notice and this +[2211.66 --> 2212.34] would completely +[2212.34 --> 2213.40] negate that as an +[2213.40 --> 2214.00] attack vector +[2214.00 --> 2215.02] but only if +[2215.02 --> 2215.42] supported +[2215.42 --> 2216.90] only if supported +[2216.90 --> 2217.92] this takes me +[2217.92 --> 2219.44] back to a few +[2219.44 --> 2220.26] years ago where +[2220.26 --> 2221.24] the company I +[2221.24 --> 2221.88] worked at used +[2221.88 --> 2223.10] YubiKeys and +[2223.10 --> 2224.56] in Slack multiple +[2224.56 --> 2225.30] times a day +[2225.30 --> 2225.96] different people +[2225.96 --> 2226.94] accidentally touch +[2226.94 --> 2227.78] their YubiKeys +[2227.78 --> 2228.66] and put in +[2228.66 --> 2230.54] their 40 +[2230.54 --> 2231.40] character long +[2231.40 --> 2232.76] string +[2232.76 --> 2235.10] most of the +[2235.10 --> 2235.44] days +[2235.44 --> 2237.14] yeah I have +[2237.14 --> 2237.82] seen that I +[2237.82 --> 2238.24] see that in our +[2238.24 --> 2239.04] chat room sometimes +[2239.04 --> 2239.30] too +[2239.30 --> 2240.34] I did it one +[2240.34 --> 2240.64] time +[2240.64 --> 2241.92] and Alex +[2241.92 --> 2242.86] you've sent +[2242.86 --> 2243.34] some of your +[2243.34 --> 2244.56] passwords to +[2244.56 --> 2245.24] GitHub if I +[2245.24 --> 2245.84] remember correctly +[2245.84 --> 2246.50] oh well that's +[2246.50 --> 2247.08] that's different +[2247.08 --> 2247.66] that's just me +[2247.66 --> 2248.46] being being an +[2248.46 --> 2249.74] idiot but that's +[2249.74 --> 2250.12] different +[2250.12 --> 2250.82] what's the +[2250.82 --> 2251.20] difference +[2251.20 --> 2252.16] well these +[2252.16 --> 2253.04] strings aren't +[2253.04 --> 2253.76] useful on their +[2253.76 --> 2254.24] own because +[2254.24 --> 2254.74] they're attached +[2254.74 --> 2255.32] to a specific +[2255.32 --> 2256.28] service and +[2256.28 --> 2256.80] they're time +[2256.80 --> 2257.46] limited and all +[2257.46 --> 2257.90] that kind of +[2257.90 --> 2259.08] stuff so if +[2259.08 --> 2259.72] you happen to +[2259.72 --> 2260.58] know exactly +[2260.58 --> 2261.28] what service I'm +[2261.28 --> 2262.04] logging into at +[2262.04 --> 2262.54] that specific +[2262.54 --> 2263.40] moment in history +[2263.40 --> 2265.14] maybe it's useful +[2265.14 --> 2265.84] for about the +[2265.84 --> 2267.10] next 25 seconds +[2267.10 --> 2268.36] but otherwise it's +[2268.36 --> 2269.70] useless well I +[2269.70 --> 2270.24] want to talk about +[2270.24 --> 2270.92] something you came +[2270.92 --> 2272.50] across that really +[2272.50 --> 2273.38] piques my interest +[2273.38 --> 2274.50] because I'm often +[2274.50 --> 2275.60] using reddit as a +[2275.60 --> 2276.24] way to discover +[2276.24 --> 2277.18] topics that seem +[2277.18 --> 2277.70] like might be +[2277.70 --> 2278.48] worth discussion +[2278.48 --> 2279.52] and you found +[2279.52 --> 2280.16] essentially an +[2280.16 --> 2281.24] automatic archiver +[2281.24 --> 2282.14] for reddit I +[2282.14 --> 2282.60] did I haven't +[2282.60 --> 2283.40] actually tried it +[2283.40 --> 2284.16] out yet but +[2284.16 --> 2285.12] there's a piece of +[2285.12 --> 2285.58] software in the +[2285.58 --> 2286.50] show notes linked +[2286.50 --> 2289.12] called expanse and +[2289.12 --> 2290.64] this builds itself as +[2290.64 --> 2291.88] a fully self-hosted +[2291.88 --> 2292.96] multi-user web app +[2292.96 --> 2294.34] which allows you to +[2294.34 --> 2295.42] externally store +[2295.42 --> 2296.44] reddit items such +[2296.44 --> 2297.12] as things you've +[2297.12 --> 2298.02] saved created +[2298.02 --> 2299.36] upvoted downvoted +[2299.36 --> 2300.90] and hidden and +[2300.90 --> 2301.84] this bypasses +[2301.84 --> 2303.00] reddit's 1000 +[2303.00 --> 2305.04] item listing limit +[2305.04 --> 2305.58] which I didn't +[2305.58 --> 2306.22] know was a limit +[2306.22 --> 2307.14] and so essentially +[2307.14 --> 2307.62] there's a quick +[2307.62 --> 2308.96] demo in the +[2308.96 --> 2310.04] github repo +[2310.04 --> 2310.82] short youtube +[2310.82 --> 2312.44] video and that +[2312.44 --> 2312.86] was enough to +[2312.86 --> 2313.28] sell me I'm +[2313.28 --> 2313.74] hooked so we'll +[2313.74 --> 2314.38] set this up the +[2314.38 --> 2315.24] earliest opportunity +[2315.24 --> 2317.04] same what the +[2317.04 --> 2317.44] video really +[2317.44 --> 2318.48] demonstrates is it +[2318.48 --> 2319.26] creates like a +[2319.26 --> 2320.20] mirrored environment +[2320.20 --> 2321.48] of reddit so you +[2321.48 --> 2322.16] kind of create some +[2322.16 --> 2322.52] of the same +[2322.52 --> 2324.12] categories of saved +[2324.12 --> 2325.38] post upvoted post +[2325.38 --> 2326.30] downvoted submitted +[2326.30 --> 2327.62] commented you know +[2327.62 --> 2328.42] that same kind of +[2328.42 --> 2328.96] thing you get from +[2328.96 --> 2329.58] your reddit history +[2329.58 --> 2330.50] it mirrors that +[2330.50 --> 2331.76] ui in a cleaner +[2331.76 --> 2333.28] way and just +[2333.28 --> 2333.90] presents all that +[2333.90 --> 2334.96] information to you +[2334.96 --> 2335.68] and it just +[2335.68 --> 2336.78] continues to just +[2336.78 --> 2337.82] suck that information +[2337.82 --> 2338.74] into your own local +[2338.74 --> 2340.24] instance as you use +[2340.24 --> 2340.78] reddit like you +[2340.78 --> 2341.86] normally might you +[2341.86 --> 2342.34] don't have to do +[2342.34 --> 2343.02] anything special +[2343.02 --> 2344.04] pretty much like +[2344.04 --> 2345.20] pocket for reddit +[2345.20 --> 2346.54] yeah like if but +[2346.54 --> 2347.72] like if everything +[2347.72 --> 2348.44] you read just +[2348.44 --> 2349.18] automatically went to +[2349.18 --> 2349.92] pocket or something +[2349.92 --> 2350.34] because it's +[2350.34 --> 2350.96] everything you do on +[2350.96 --> 2351.26] reddit just +[2351.26 --> 2351.84] automatically gets +[2351.84 --> 2352.50] backed up to this +[2352.50 --> 2353.72] thing it's kind of +[2353.72 --> 2354.60] brilliant I wish I +[2354.60 --> 2355.64] had that for all the +[2355.64 --> 2356.50] services yeah can we +[2356.50 --> 2357.10] get that for hacker +[2357.10 --> 2358.52] news yeah and and +[2358.52 --> 2359.92] twitter and anything +[2359.92 --> 2361.12] that's really like all +[2361.12 --> 2362.60] the services for +[2362.60 --> 2363.92] everything have you +[2363.92 --> 2364.70] heard of rss +[2364.70 --> 2371.32] i see you found out +[2371.32 --> 2372.60] that bitwarden has +[2372.60 --> 2373.76] integrated fast mail +[2373.76 --> 2375.26] email aliasing so +[2375.26 --> 2376.68] that way when you sign +[2376.68 --> 2378.08] up now you can +[2378.08 --> 2380.02] generate a fast mail +[2380.02 --> 2382.50] unique email address for +[2382.50 --> 2384.64] a service how great +[2384.64 --> 2386.02] is this well this is +[2386.02 --> 2387.76] amazing you know that +[2387.76 --> 2389.12] google supports the +[2389.12 --> 2391.74] plus delimiter in their +[2391.74 --> 2392.68] email addresses so you +[2392.68 --> 2395.42] can say alex ktz plus +[2395.42 --> 2398.06] twitter at gmail or +[2398.06 --> 2400.18] whatever and it will +[2400.18 --> 2402.58] send every email that +[2402.58 --> 2404.50] twitter has to that +[2404.50 --> 2406.16] specific email address +[2406.16 --> 2408.18] the trouble is it relies +[2408.18 --> 2410.18] on the service that's in +[2410.18 --> 2411.32] question twitter or +[2411.32 --> 2413.40] whoever to respect that +[2413.40 --> 2414.96] and then also when they +[2414.96 --> 2416.04] sell that information to +[2416.04 --> 2417.14] third parties at what +[2417.14 --> 2419.12] whatever point elon decides +[2419.12 --> 2419.88] to in the future +[2419.88 --> 2422.50] they've also got to +[2422.50 --> 2423.68] include that plus in +[2423.68 --> 2424.58] there because everybody +[2424.58 --> 2426.70] knows that plus is just a +[2426.70 --> 2428.00] delimiter and so the +[2428.00 --> 2429.20] real email address is just +[2429.20 --> 2430.28] a bit before the plus +[2430.28 --> 2432.44] what this fast mail +[2432.44 --> 2433.54] integration allows me to +[2433.54 --> 2435.50] do is set up a genuine +[2435.50 --> 2439.48] email alias so you know +[2439.48 --> 2440.82] it becomes two or three +[2440.82 --> 2442.12] random words and a couple +[2442.12 --> 2443.80] of random numbers instead +[2443.80 --> 2445.46] of my actual email address +[2445.46 --> 2449.32] being semi obfuscated and +[2449.32 --> 2451.28] it's built directly into the +[2451.28 --> 2453.54] bit warden clients so they +[2453.54 --> 2454.78] have that generate password +[2454.78 --> 2456.12] feature if you if you look +[2456.12 --> 2457.24] at the checkbox the next one +[2457.24 --> 2459.12] down there's now a generate +[2459.12 --> 2460.74] username box which we've +[2460.74 --> 2462.44] talked about before but if +[2462.44 --> 2463.16] you look just a little bit +[2463.16 --> 2464.68] further down than that there +[2464.68 --> 2465.68] is a there's three or four +[2465.68 --> 2467.24] services in there and one of +[2467.24 --> 2469.52] them is now fast mail and +[2469.52 --> 2471.88] so just by creating or +[2471.88 --> 2473.32] generating an email address +[2473.32 --> 2475.14] alias in the bit warden +[2475.14 --> 2477.06] client it will go and talk +[2477.06 --> 2478.62] to the fast mail API create +[2478.62 --> 2480.20] the email alias and then +[2480.20 --> 2481.30] from that point in history +[2481.30 --> 2484.02] you have a rootable email +[2484.02 --> 2486.08] address that is not your +[2486.08 --> 2488.06] real email address but is the +[2488.06 --> 2490.66] alias it's it's brilliant you +[2490.66 --> 2491.88] know it feels to me like we +[2491.88 --> 2494.84] are creating a huge void +[2494.84 --> 2496.56] between two worlds we we now +[2496.56 --> 2497.84] have you know most of us +[2497.84 --> 2499.20] hopefully who are well +[2499.20 --> 2500.34] educated about passwords +[2500.34 --> 2501.94] using password managers you +[2501.94 --> 2502.74] know you mentioned yubi key +[2502.74 --> 2504.16] earlier all of these things +[2504.16 --> 2504.88] that are really great but +[2504.88 --> 2506.78] then I feel like most people +[2506.78 --> 2508.42] are just not even anywhere +[2508.42 --> 2510.24] close to using a unique email +[2510.24 --> 2513.42] address for each service I I +[2513.42 --> 2514.34] don't I think we need to +[2514.34 --> 2515.22] figure out how to bridge that +[2515.22 --> 2517.16] gap well the tooling helps you +[2517.16 --> 2518.34] know building the tooling to +[2518.34 --> 2519.52] do it I think that's what this +[2519.52 --> 2520.38] I think that's what this is +[2520.38 --> 2521.88] trying to do isn't it mm-hmm +[2521.88 --> 2524.44] yeah I think you're right yeah +[2524.44 --> 2526.38] okay you win I I've been I +[2526.38 --> 2527.26] mean this is not a sponsored +[2527.26 --> 2528.16] thing I've been trying to get +[2528.16 --> 2529.32] Brent on bitwarden for weeks +[2529.32 --> 2532.18] the man loves his uh key pass +[2532.18 --> 2534.58] you know what I like about it +[2534.58 --> 2536.64] is that um it's worked for the +[2536.64 --> 2538.34] last 15 years and I don't need +[2538.34 --> 2540.52] to question it and uh but I've +[2540.52 --> 2543.10] been trying to find that key +[2543.10 --> 2545.08] reason that will make me switch +[2545.08 --> 2548.58] and maybe this is it I think the +[2548.58 --> 2549.66] key reason will be when you +[2549.66 --> 2552.52] decide it's time uh if I know +[2552.52 --> 2554.26] anything about about you Brent +[2554.26 --> 2555.26] it's that you have to decide +[2555.26 --> 2556.30] it's a good idea before you'll +[2556.30 --> 2557.56] do something shouldn't that be +[2557.56 --> 2559.02] all of us yeah technically +[2559.02 --> 2561.62] technically I think it might +[2561.62 --> 2562.58] be time for some feedback +[2562.58 --> 2563.78] gentlemen what do you think +[2563.78 --> 2565.52] bring it on we've been getting +[2565.52 --> 2567.74] a lot of various tail scale +[2567.74 --> 2569.84] alternatives sent into the show +[2569.84 --> 2571.54] and at first I was like okay +[2571.54 --> 2573.32] okay but one that's come in a +[2573.32 --> 2575.86] couple of times has been net +[2575.86 --> 2576.92] bird and I don't know if either +[2576.92 --> 2578.08] one of you guys have seen this +[2578.08 --> 2579.98] but net bird is trying to check +[2579.98 --> 2581.98] all the boxes and I hope the +[2581.98 --> 2583.42] tail scale team takes this as a +[2583.42 --> 2584.38] compliment because this is +[2584.38 --> 2585.92] clearly an indication that +[2585.92 --> 2587.00] they're on to something that +[2587.00 --> 2588.12] all of these open source +[2588.12 --> 2591.56] projects have cropped up um and +[2591.56 --> 2592.64] I suppose for a lot of folks +[2592.64 --> 2593.78] head scale has not been +[2593.78 --> 2596.40] sufficient I guess but the net +[2596.40 --> 2598.22] bird folks are attempting to +[2598.22 --> 2599.92] get as close as you can to a +[2599.92 --> 2602.18] wire guard based mesh network +[2602.18 --> 2603.86] they're supporting single sign +[2603.86 --> 2604.88] on and multi-factor +[2604.88 --> 2606.38] authentication like tail scale +[2606.38 --> 2607.78] does they have some simple +[2607.78 --> 2609.56] controls I don't think they +[2609.56 --> 2611.18] have the install down quite as +[2611.18 --> 2612.72] smooth as tail scale does but +[2612.72 --> 2615.42] really who would right but you +[2615.42 --> 2616.76] get a lot of it you get a lot +[2616.76 --> 2619.84] of the advantages um but you +[2619.84 --> 2622.94] know it's 100% a uh well it +[2622.94 --> 2623.72] doesn't have to be actually +[2623.72 --> 2625.04] they're also offering their own +[2625.04 --> 2627.14] hosted implementation as well of +[2627.14 --> 2628.76] course which then I'm not even +[2628.76 --> 2629.70] sure why it's even better than +[2629.70 --> 2631.76] tail scale but they do have a by +[2631.76 --> 2633.28] default a host implementation but +[2633.28 --> 2634.60] they make it really clear how to +[2634.60 --> 2635.94] do all your own self-hosting if +[2635.94 --> 2637.76] you like this is why we were all +[2637.76 --> 2639.54] so excited about wire guard being +[2639.54 --> 2640.78] put in the linux kernel a few +[2640.78 --> 2642.54] years ago it legitimized the +[2642.54 --> 2645.42] project and we hoped at the time +[2645.42 --> 2646.36] that it would lead to this +[2646.36 --> 2648.90] proliferation of solutions based +[2648.90 --> 2651.84] upon it for vpn stuff I'm so +[2651.84 --> 2653.22] pleased to see that that's coming +[2653.22 --> 2655.52] true aren't you yeah absolutely +[2655.52 --> 2657.52] and it looks like you know we're +[2657.52 --> 2659.74] gonna have a spoil of choices so I +[2659.74 --> 2661.98] I wonder if we'll go through a +[2661.98 --> 2663.72] period of some of these sort of +[2663.72 --> 2665.34] proving themselves out and tail +[2665.34 --> 2666.94] scale will probably be a leader +[2666.94 --> 2668.66] for a while because they got a +[2668.66 --> 2670.34] huge start they have a commercial +[2670.34 --> 2672.12] entity behind them that has some +[2672.12 --> 2674.40] money and they got a good product +[2674.40 --> 2675.70] right but so now you're gonna see a +[2675.70 --> 2679.60] lot of I'd say um um kind of not +[2679.60 --> 2682.16] clones but this kind of kind of what +[2682.16 --> 2683.74] they are right and we're gonna have +[2683.74 --> 2686.54] to see which one kind of wins out and +[2686.54 --> 2687.60] which one ends up being the most +[2687.60 --> 2689.00] popular in the community will it be +[2689.00 --> 2690.72] tail scale and head scale for those +[2690.72 --> 2692.80] that want self-hosting or will it be +[2692.80 --> 2694.60] something like netbird so if you've +[2694.60 --> 2695.78] tried something like this out there +[2695.78 --> 2697.50] let us know send us a boost or go to +[2697.50 --> 2699.00] self-hosted that show slash contact +[2699.00 --> 2701.76] and let us know your thoughts I I am +[2701.76 --> 2703.42] just so happy with tail scale and now +[2703.42 --> 2705.42] that I'm doing subnet routing and all +[2705.42 --> 2708.32] of that I I'm really I'm really quite +[2708.32 --> 2709.78] pleased I don't really see any +[2709.78 --> 2712.34] particular reason to switch and I'm +[2712.34 --> 2714.34] also totally comfortable with their +[2714.34 --> 2716.30] backplane managing some of the +[2716.30 --> 2717.88] authentication and some of the +[2717.88 --> 2719.40] connecting that's fine for me +[2719.40 --> 2721.28] because I want this to work like a +[2721.28 --> 2723.10] rock we talked a little bit about the +[2723.10 --> 2725.58] subnet routing at the Airbnb in +[2725.58 --> 2727.52] Pasadena with our questionable Wi-Fi +[2727.52 --> 2730.86] situation that's generous and it's +[2730.86 --> 2733.42] it's fascinating I I use the heck out +[2733.42 --> 2735.62] of the subnet routing it's amazing oh +[2735.62 --> 2738.04] it's so handy especially for devices +[2738.04 --> 2741.36] that aren't PCs or Raspberry Pis that +[2741.36 --> 2743.44] you something you can't install software +[2743.44 --> 2746.84] on like my Victron solar equipment and +[2746.84 --> 2748.98] battery equipment I can't install tail +[2748.98 --> 2751.10] scale on that it's an appliance but I +[2751.10 --> 2752.54] have tail scale on my Raspberry Pi +[2752.54 --> 2754.58] that's on the same LAN and I have +[2754.58 --> 2756.48] subnet routing on so now I'm like +[2756.48 --> 2758.54] checking the solar when we're at the +[2758.54 --> 2760.42] Airbnb making sure Joops is doing +[2760.42 --> 2762.84] okay and then you know I wanted to +[2762.84 --> 2764.74] check the temperatures at the studio so +[2764.74 --> 2767.20] I have tail scale installed from hacks +[2767.20 --> 2768.84] on home assistant with subnet routing +[2768.84 --> 2770.44] turned on and so I'm checking the +[2770.44 --> 2771.96] temperatures in the garage to make +[2771.96 --> 2773.70] sure the server is okay and I'm just +[2773.70 --> 2777.00] using local IPs for all of it and I'm +[2777.00 --> 2780.10] pleased to say that I I did hope one +[2780.10 --> 2782.00] day that this would exist that this +[2782.00 --> 2785.00] world would be real and so I preemptively +[2785.00 --> 2790.74] set the RV network to a 17216 subnet and +[2790.74 --> 2796.22] the studio is a 192 1687 subnet and so +[2796.22 --> 2798.26] the two are very different and that has +[2798.26 --> 2799.80] made life like so just made it ready to +[2799.80 --> 2801.70] go yeah when Brent was here I had to +[2801.70 --> 2804.84] completely rechange my retool my cider my +[2804.84 --> 2808.02] IP range in the house because there was +[2808.02 --> 2809.88] some overlap between my house here and +[2809.88 --> 2812.00] my dad's Starlink network because +[2812.00 --> 2813.68] remember I moaned in an episode I +[2813.68 --> 2816.54] couldn't change the DHCP range so I had +[2816.54 --> 2818.14] to completely retool so that's some good +[2818.14 --> 2819.70] foresight from you there Christopher I +[2820.26 --> 2822.58] tell you what the old days the old days +[2822.58 --> 2824.94] of VPNing like an animal building flat +[2824.94 --> 2827.40] networks but let us know if you try out +[2827.40 --> 2828.80] Netbird I'd be really curious to hear +[2828.80 --> 2830.96] how it goes yeah same and I think in a +[2830.96 --> 2832.98] future episode we might do a bit a bit +[2832.98 --> 2834.54] more of a deep dive into the subnet +[2834.54 --> 2836.78] routing that that I'm doing and the +[2836.78 --> 2838.92] split DNS between different sites +[2838.92 --> 2840.04] because I think that'd be of interest +[2840.04 --> 2841.94] to folks so if you're interested in +[2841.94 --> 2843.30] that let us know at self hosted dot +[2843.30 --> 2846.06] show slash contact I agree having +[2846.06 --> 2847.50] chat a little bit about it at the +[2847.50 --> 2848.96] Airbnb I think it would be a great +[2848.96 --> 2851.10] topic we got some boosts into the show +[2851.10 --> 2853.96] too and have boosted in with over 9000 +[2853.96 --> 2857.50] 9001 sats and we also got 1024 sats +[2857.50 --> 2859.72] from Amar who's having some trouble +[2859.72 --> 2861.94] getting their audio whole home audio +[2861.94 --> 2863.40] working so these are these are a whole +[2863.40 --> 2865.18] home audio boost that I wanted to follow +[2865.18 --> 2867.14] up on so we'll start with Nev and he +[2867.14 --> 2869.64] writes whole home audio as a concept +[2869.64 --> 2873.96] has existed as long as human history so +[2873.96 --> 2875.64] there are plenty of solutions moving +[2875.64 --> 2877.82] around rather than getting fancy with +[2877.82 --> 2880.60] software I might present an alternative +[2880.60 --> 2883.88] he writes pulse audios network streaming +[2883.88 --> 2888.56] and Cody now why Cody because Cody has a +[2888.56 --> 2890.80] rich app ecosystem for remote controls +[2890.80 --> 2893.78] and a web GUI plus it supports plex jellyfin +[2893.78 --> 2896.94] MB and even aircast this solution I have +[2896.94 --> 2899.78] been using for years now I would never +[2899.78 --> 2902.62] have thought of Cody would you know and I +[2902.62 --> 2905.06] think it's probably worth a mention because +[2905.06 --> 2906.70] a lot of people love Cody that listen to +[2906.70 --> 2910.32] the show and pulse audio network streaming +[2910.32 --> 2912.54] has been around for years and I never +[2912.54 --> 2914.72] think to mention it but I constantly hear +[2914.72 --> 2916.16] feedback from the audience that it works +[2916.16 --> 2918.66] pretty well just anything with pulse audio +[2918.66 --> 2922.84] gives me PTSD I think rustic has to +[2922.84 --> 2925.08] verse a boosted with 2000 sats and he +[2925.08 --> 2926.60] echoed a sentiment we heard from multiple +[2926.60 --> 2929.24] people out there what about volumio or +[2929.24 --> 2932.94] volumio sorry I'm butchering that but it +[2932.94 --> 2936.08] acts as an airplay chromecast endpoint he +[2936.08 --> 2937.74] says if you want a lot of them synced you'd +[2937.74 --> 2939.74] have to pay but it's a good project so it's +[2939.74 --> 2941.26] worth paying for I had a couple of +[2941.26 --> 2943.70] recommendations for volumio actually the +[2943.70 --> 2945.20] pricing doesn't put me off too much I +[2945.20 --> 2946.90] don't mind necessarily paying for the +[2946.90 --> 2949.28] right solution I mean the alternative +[2949.28 --> 2951.78] would be just giving up and going for a +[2951.78 --> 2954.18] Sonos based deployment right and that +[2954.18 --> 2957.02] that ain't gonna be free is it so the +[2957.02 --> 2958.98] other thing that came in as a +[2958.98 --> 2960.90] recommendation was there's a chap on +[2960.90 --> 2963.34] YouTube called Darko that does he's got +[2963.34 --> 2964.88] beautiful production quality on his +[2964.88 --> 2970.54] videos he is a hi-fi audiophile nerd and +[2970.54 --> 2972.52] he talks occasionally about how he +[2972.52 --> 2974.86] streams music around his house one of +[2974.86 --> 2976.24] the recommendations I had come in was +[2976.24 --> 2978.06] something called Rune Audio it's not +[2978.06 --> 2980.66] open source I don't think and it is paid +[2980.66 --> 2983.18] it does cost quite a bit per month but +[2983.18 --> 2985.50] you know this will support along with +[2985.50 --> 2989.08] volumio multiple rooms based off a +[2989.08 --> 2991.12] Raspberry Pi and that kind of thing I'm +[2991.12 --> 2993.46] still stuck though on how to actually +[2993.46 --> 2996.04] automate the speaker component the +[2996.04 --> 2997.68] Raspberry Pi bit I think is actually +[2997.68 --> 2999.44] the easy bit I mean there's a few +[2999.44 --> 3000.90] options you know snapcast is another +[3000.90 --> 3004.82] one out there it's just controlling the +[3004.82 --> 3006.36] speaker component that's the tricky +[3006.36 --> 3009.46] bit the broad link infrared emitter +[3009.46 --> 3011.06] blaster that I talked about in the last +[3011.06 --> 3014.54] episode sort of kind of is behaving +[3014.54 --> 3017.40] itself but I've ordered the components +[3017.40 --> 3019.46] to build myself a blaster based off an +[3019.46 --> 3021.64] ESP device as well see if that's any +[3021.64 --> 3023.18] better than the broad link stuff because +[3023.18 --> 3025.30] it's not it's just not reliable enough +[3025.30 --> 3027.54] yeah thanks for the recommendation I'll +[3027.54 --> 3030.16] take a look at volumio a bit more +[3030.16 --> 3031.70] seriously over the next next few weeks +[3031.70 --> 3033.60] when I'm not traveling to LA it's a +[3033.60 --> 3034.42] shame to hear you're having some +[3034.42 --> 3036.04] trouble with the IR blaster because when +[3036.04 --> 3037.34] you're doing the music stuff and you +[3037.34 --> 3038.70] just you just want to hit a button and +[3038.70 --> 3040.10] have it go you know you want it to be a +[3040.10 --> 3041.66] really kind of chill experience that's +[3041.66 --> 3043.84] not it's not when you want to do the +[3043.84 --> 3045.52] troubleshooting it seems to me like +[3045.52 --> 3046.90] the intersection of two very different +[3046.90 --> 3049.96] worlds you know the the hardware button +[3049.96 --> 3054.14] audio file grade box that's sitting you +[3054.14 --> 3055.44] know next to your TV or your +[3055.44 --> 3058.24] entertainment system feels like maybe +[3058.24 --> 3060.20] high-end technology of a very different +[3060.20 --> 3062.80] era and you're trying to kind of marry +[3062.80 --> 3065.02] the two so I understand there's clearly +[3065.02 --> 3067.24] some some challenge there but wouldn't +[3067.24 --> 3069.50] it be great if they just made friends +[3069.50 --> 3074.36] quick code wanted to know if anybody has +[3074.36 --> 3076.42] any tips on content request systems for +[3076.42 --> 3078.06] music you know how there's things out +[3078.06 --> 3080.68] there like overseer and other tools for +[3080.68 --> 3082.50] like books and stuff like that if +[3082.50 --> 3085.72] anybody has suggestions for music send +[3085.72 --> 3089.08] them into the show and then drew oof or +[3089.08 --> 3093.46] dr oof boosted in with 5,678 sats and he +[3093.46 --> 3096.92] wanted to give a plus one to the zoos z-wave +[3096.92 --> 3100.12] switches specifically the 700 series thank +[3100.12 --> 3102.10] you very much for that detail he says I've +[3102.10 --> 3103.26] been through a bunch of different brands +[3103.26 --> 3105.44] of smart switches over the years and the +[3105.44 --> 3107.76] zoos have been that's z-o-o-o-z have been the +[3107.76 --> 3109.76] most reliable affordable and configurable +[3110.52 --> 3112.72] to date I'm a network security engineer +[3112.72 --> 3115.02] by trade and I'm an enterprise-grade Wi-Fi +[3115.02 --> 3116.64] throughout my house and property four +[3116.64 --> 3119.78] different APs and even that can't keep up +[3119.78 --> 3122.38] with my smart switches interesting my +[3122.38 --> 3124.10] house is long and narrow so it just turns +[3124.10 --> 3125.90] out 900 megahertz mesh network works +[3125.90 --> 3127.88] better than Wi-Fi thanks for the great +[3127.88 --> 3132.70] podcast I do love 900 megahertz I love +[3132.70 --> 3137.44] 900 megahertz radio so much I wish we +[3137.44 --> 3139.04] could have stayed there mega strike 3 +[3139.04 --> 3140.74] boosted in with 3,000 sats hey Chris and +[3140.74 --> 3142.64] Alex love the show I picked up an Ikea +[3142.64 --> 3145.32] Zigbee light bulb as I begin to build out +[3145.32 --> 3147.32] my smart home any recommendations for a +[3147.32 --> 3149.84] home assistant Zigbee router currently I'm +[3149.84 --> 3152.70] looking at the con be 2 thanks as always +[3152.70 --> 3153.70] well he's already got my recommendation +[3154.22 --> 3157.84] that con be I used the really cheap +[3157.84 --> 3163.34] sewn off one to start with and it was it +[3163.34 --> 3166.20] was not good it was just not good but +[3166.20 --> 3169.86] the con be 2 has been my favorite phrase +[3169.86 --> 3174.52] rock-solid since I installed it you know +[3174.52 --> 3177.16] what though I agree in fact I don't even +[3177.16 --> 3178.68] have like mine hanging off a dongle it's +[3178.68 --> 3180.00] just like hooked up right to the back of +[3180.00 --> 3182.12] my home assistant blue in the studio and +[3182.12 --> 3183.56] I'm talking to devices that are on the +[3183.56 --> 3186.78] other end of the house I will also link to +[3186.78 --> 3189.56] the Zalish Zigbee 3.0 stick that +[3189.56 --> 3192.44] cloudfree.shop sells because I would +[3192.44 --> 3193.90] imagine if cloudfree is selling that +[3193.90 --> 3195.76] that's probably a pretty good device but +[3195.76 --> 3198.50] I too own the con be 2 USB Zigbee gateway +[3198.50 --> 3200.48] and have been very happy with it and +[3200.48 --> 3202.52] home assistant just picked it up right +[3202.52 --> 3205.38] away so that was really nice don't +[3205.38 --> 3207.02] forget we still got a coupon code over +[3207.02 --> 3209.12] at cloudfree.shop if you put self-hosted +[3209.12 --> 3210.70] in there you'll probably get a dollar off +[3210.70 --> 3213.52] whatever you're buying at user 3513 +[3213.52 --> 3216.74] boosted in with 8,192 sats I'd love +[3216.74 --> 3218.86] to know how Alex is running proxmox and +[3218.86 --> 3221.10] docker on his systems are you running an +[3221.10 --> 3224.90] Ubuntu VM on top of proxmox or containers +[3224.90 --> 3226.98] did you use a bare metal Linux and then +[3226.98 --> 3228.80] somehow hack the packages to install +[3228.80 --> 3233.40] proxmox onto it tell user 3513 Alex you +[3233.40 --> 3235.00] know a bit this question has been coming +[3235.00 --> 3238.54] up in discord a lot in the last month or +[3238.54 --> 3241.18] so and it's like something has changed +[3241.18 --> 3245.02] and people just need to need to know +[3245.02 --> 3246.84] exactly what I'm doing to copy it which I +[3246.84 --> 3249.10] don't understand but they can't buy pies +[3249.10 --> 3250.92] anymore so they're finally giving in a +[3250.92 --> 3253.24] buying x86 systems and going proxmox they +[3253.24 --> 3254.96] are very sensible people you know they +[3254.96 --> 3257.24] should you know you should you should +[3257.24 --> 3258.56] consider doing that +[3258.56 --> 3262.84] perfectmediaserver.com would be where I'd +[3262.84 --> 3265.06] send people for actual documentation on +[3265.06 --> 3267.52] on what I'm doing I put a new page up +[3267.52 --> 3271.42] there in May I think badger stack in in +[3271.42 --> 3274.48] May just to just to tell because I was +[3274.48 --> 3276.78] getting so many questions what are you +[3276.78 --> 3278.16] doing Alex what are you doing and I'm +[3278.16 --> 3279.98] like well okay here it is here's the +[3279.98 --> 3281.64] hardware I'm using the exact hardware the +[3281.64 --> 3283.98] CPU the the OS all that kind of stuff so +[3283.98 --> 3286.48] in the original perfect meter server +[3286.48 --> 3288.06] guides I used to recommend virtualizing +[3288.56 --> 3291.88] Ubuntu and then passing through all of +[3291.88 --> 3295.46] the drive controllers to those virtual +[3295.46 --> 3298.36] machines that was in the days before I +[3298.36 --> 3302.06] was an absolute quicksync snob and if +[3302.06 --> 3304.92] you recall in the show a long time ago +[3304.92 --> 3308.28] also I've written blog posts about it and +[3308.28 --> 3310.94] it's on perfectmediaserver.com I was I was +[3310.94 --> 3313.62] trying to do something called gvtg to +[3313.62 --> 3318.58] split the quicksync GPU the the iGPU up +[3318.58 --> 3320.34] between multiple virtual machines and +[3320.34 --> 3322.10] pass it through and all that kind of +[3322.10 --> 3324.30] stuff it just didn't work the +[3324.30 --> 3326.22] performance was no good and the +[3326.22 --> 3329.34] complexity was off the charts and you +[3329.90 --> 3331.90] know how it goes so essentially I +[3331.90 --> 3334.12] decided at that point I've got no +[3334.12 --> 3336.18] option if I want hardware transcoding +[3336.18 --> 3338.72] using quicksync rather than having my +[3338.72 --> 3341.02] dual Xeon box pull 400 watts I only want +[3341.02 --> 3342.42] to pull four watts when I'm doing a +[3342.42 --> 3345.68] transcode and who wouldn't want that I've +[3345.68 --> 3348.26] got to run plex on the host and that's +[3348.26 --> 3351.34] it that really drove the next wave of my +[3351.34 --> 3353.46] builds which I've been doing now for +[3353.46 --> 3355.98] about 18 months I would say all of my +[3355.98 --> 3357.54] containers run directly on the host +[3357.54 --> 3361.22] home assistant itself runs as a has os vm +[3361.22 --> 3363.14] or whatever they call it these days +[3363.14 --> 3366.90] that's the only vm I have in proxbox is +[3366.90 --> 3369.10] literally just home assistant it's it's a +[3369.10 --> 3370.86] bit of a waste I mean occasionally I spin +[3370.86 --> 3374.26] up a you know an ubuntu thing for testing +[3374.26 --> 3377.34] or a fedora thing or whatever just +[3377.34 --> 3379.20] literally for testing but in terms of +[3379.20 --> 3381.50] production everything's on the proxmox +[3381.50 --> 3383.38] host it's all done in ansible in my +[3383.38 --> 3384.92] github repo which I'll put a link to in +[3384.92 --> 3387.10] the show notes as well and it's just +[3387.10 --> 3388.86] really simple it's just an install of +[3388.86 --> 3391.00] debian with proxmox installed on top +[3391.00 --> 3393.80] of it I use the proxmox documentation to +[3393.80 --> 3396.48] achieve that there's not much to it it's +[3396.48 --> 3400.84] just linux really it's very boring I think +[3400.84 --> 3402.52] that's a good thing I was we were talking +[3402.52 --> 3403.66] before we hit record I'm like you know +[3403.66 --> 3404.74] there's a lot of things about linux are +[3404.74 --> 3406.42] getting boring but that's what you need +[3406.42 --> 3408.18] when it becomes like this layer in the +[3408.18 --> 3411.12] industry it just needs to work so that's +[3411.12 --> 3412.98] great and we'll have a link to alex's +[3412.98 --> 3415.06] high-level overview in the notes +[3415.06 --> 3418.72] including some links to also as alex is +[3418.72 --> 3420.60] adding them right now to documentation on +[3420.60 --> 3422.38] how to get proxmox running on debian 11 +[3422.38 --> 3426.58] the badger stack the badger stack well it +[3426.58 --> 3429.50] can be confusing because proxmox provide an +[3429.50 --> 3431.86] iso directly so you can install proxmox +[3431.86 --> 3435.12] directly from an iso just you know from +[3435.12 --> 3439.28] the project or you can install debian and +[3439.28 --> 3440.98] then install proxmox on top of it and +[3440.98 --> 3443.34] that can confuse some people either route +[3443.34 --> 3445.20] is completely valid one is slightly more +[3445.20 --> 3448.18] hands-on there than the other there's no +[3448.18 --> 3449.96] real preference in my mind as to which +[3449.96 --> 3452.04] one works better just do whatever makes +[3452.04 --> 3454.20] you feel warm and cozy I'm wondering how +[3454.20 --> 3456.02] you feel about this next one alex john a +[3456.02 --> 3459.58] boosting with 10,000 sets and he after +[3459.58 --> 3462.00] listening to the last episode is yoloing +[3462.00 --> 3464.80] into setting up his own email server no +[3464.80 --> 3467.28] yeah yeah he also is checking out podverse +[3467.28 --> 3469.50] which is awesome new podcast apps and we +[3469.50 --> 3472.96] also heard from p4p4john who says I've +[3472.96 --> 3474.78] started self-hosting my own email server +[3474.78 --> 3476.72] this year I got a business comcast +[3476.72 --> 3479.18] connection with a static ip and I'm using +[3479.18 --> 3481.76] you know host it's going great we're +[3481.76 --> 3483.52] somehow when we say I don't know if it's +[3483.52 --> 3485.76] a good idea people are like thanks guys +[3485.76 --> 3488.60] I'm doing it you guys are crazy I don't +[3488.60 --> 3489.88] think it's a good idea to send us a +[3489.88 --> 3491.38] million dollars that would be an awful +[3491.38 --> 3494.14] idea don't you oh yeah yeah definitely a +[3494.14 --> 3499.04] bad idea to know no so I you know I just +[3499.04 --> 3500.66] think it's interesting so John you can +[3500.66 --> 3502.12] send us an email from your shiny new +[3502.12 --> 3503.82] email server to tell us how it's going +[3503.82 --> 3505.52] huh and if we receive it we'll let you +[3505.52 --> 3509.98] know right yeah definitely also let me +[3509.98 --> 3511.36] know how the podverse transition goes +[3511.36 --> 3512.52] John I'm going to expect a boost from +[3512.52 --> 3515.38] podverse in the future also I just want to +[3515.38 --> 3517.38] give a quick shout out we got 5,555 +[3518.14 --> 3520.52] sats from soul trust sending in just some +[3520.52 --> 3522.00] love for the show just wanted to wish us +[3522.00 --> 3524.26] well I thought that was nice and then +[3524.26 --> 3527.38] Brent you got this one right schmitzfeld +[3527.94 --> 3530.86] I think it was schmitzfeld he says that +[3530.86 --> 3532.44] he just want to send us a series of ducks +[3532.44 --> 3536.00] Huey Louie and Dewey and we got 3,000 +[3536.00 --> 3539.00] sats from four-legged emu who says he's +[3539.00 --> 3542.38] loving calyx on his pixel so we got it I +[3543.16 --> 3544.98] switched to graphene and now I'm hearing +[3544.98 --> 3547.28] about calyx constantly I heard you were +[3547.28 --> 3549.42] testing graphene so maybe you need to +[3549.42 --> 3551.40] switch and text calyx maybe I should just +[3551.40 --> 3552.76] go back to the iPhone because this is +[3552.76 --> 3555.30] just it's too much it's too much but we +[3555.30 --> 3556.74] do love the boost we read all of them we +[3556.74 --> 3558.22] only feature some of them on the shows +[3558.22 --> 3560.22] now just to keep things tight but we do +[3560.22 --> 3562.28] appreciate everybody who sends one in if +[3562.28 --> 3563.46] you'd like to boost the show you can grab +[3563.46 --> 3565.44] a new podcasting app new podcast apps +[3565.44 --> 3567.24] calm or if you don't want to switch +[3567.24 --> 3569.98] podcast apps you can use breeze breeze +[3569.98 --> 3573.80] technology and keep your dang podcast app +[3573.80 --> 3576.16] I think probably alby deserves a mention +[3576.16 --> 3577.96] as well alby is a way to do it from the +[3577.96 --> 3579.28] web if you don't want to use a mobile +[3579.28 --> 3581.64] app at all and the alby team seems to be +[3581.64 --> 3582.84] really solid they're creating some great +[3582.84 --> 3585.00] open source code I had a little call with +[3585.00 --> 3587.20] one of their co-founders I really like +[3587.20 --> 3590.26] where they're going a l b y for that can +[3590.26 --> 3592.24] we give a little pluggy pug to office +[3592.24 --> 3596.36] hours dot hair yeah it's something about +[3596.36 --> 3598.24] plugs and hair but office hours dot hair +[3598.24 --> 3601.10] lucky episode 13 I think it was we +[3601.10 --> 3603.08] covered our our some of the shenanigans +[3603.08 --> 3606.78] on our trip and then in the most recent +[3606.78 --> 3609.06] Linux unplugged we covered our JPL trip +[3609.06 --> 3611.68] too which how great was the JPL trip +[3611.68 --> 3614.90] Alex how was the JPL trip I just can't +[3614.90 --> 3617.38] process it did that really happen to us +[3617.38 --> 3619.38] like we're just normal people it's not +[3619.38 --> 3620.94] like that doesn't happen to normal people +[3620.94 --> 3623.48] does it it was so cool and and to see +[3623.48 --> 3624.98] the clipper to see them working on the +[3624.98 --> 3628.54] next mission the Europa Clipper oh so +[3628.54 --> 3630.86] cool Chris last night to tuning into +[3630.86 --> 3632.74] the live cam that you can get for their +[3632.74 --> 3635.98] when you oh cool yeah on YouTube go look +[3635.98 --> 3637.50] up the if you look up the Europa Clipper +[3637.50 --> 3638.76] stream it's on there I've checked it +[3638.76 --> 3640.20] several times and they've added a lot +[3640.20 --> 3642.60] more to it since we saw it wow that's +[3642.60 --> 3645.84] that's so cool I'm just so grateful I +[3645.84 --> 3647.84] know I put a little clip in Linux unplugged +[3647.84 --> 3650.46] for you saying how great the audience is and +[3650.46 --> 3653.12] it sounds like a cliche but genuinely I +[3653.12 --> 3654.96] think you said it that it's amazing we +[3654.96 --> 3656.64] had you know 20 people show up for the +[3656.64 --> 3658.78] tour and a about double that for the +[3658.78 --> 3662.14] meetup not one person got lost everybody +[3662.14 --> 3664.44] was on time everybody was friendly they +[3664.44 --> 3666.16] brought stories they brought you know I +[3666.16 --> 3669.64] was just like does any other podcast +[3669.64 --> 3671.52] network have such an amazing audience I +[3671.52 --> 3674.20] don't know but ours is pretty great I +[3674.20 --> 3676.32] don't think so I think how could they +[3676.32 --> 3678.96] because we took all the good ones true I +[3678.96 --> 3681.92] also learned so much just by chatting +[3681.92 --> 3683.26] with people Alex I know you were +[3683.26 --> 3684.98] fascinated but basically all night +[3684.98 --> 3687.12] because I was kind of hanging around you +[3687.12 --> 3688.24] and learning a bunch of stuff but Chris +[3688.24 --> 3689.54] you were having a great time and it was +[3689.54 --> 3692.06] almost like 10 p.m. yeah oh we went for +[3692.06 --> 3693.96] our meetup went for five hours strong and I +[3693.96 --> 3696.32] still didn't get to everybody but let's +[3696.32 --> 3699.04] let's be clear here Alex saved the night +[3699.04 --> 3702.50] because our guest of the night Tim +[3702.50 --> 3706.20] can't him from JPL brought a very +[3706.20 --> 3708.40] exclusive little device he brought the +[3708.40 --> 3710.22] computer from the Mars copter like that +[3710.22 --> 3712.40] you know the earth version the test +[3712.40 --> 3714.44] version the prototype version he brought +[3714.44 --> 3716.88] that for show-and-tell so we can all see +[3716.88 --> 3717.88] like just the parts that we don't +[3717.88 --> 3720.08] recognize and it's a you know it's in +[3720.08 --> 3722.96] this bag and it's like secret top or +[3722.96 --> 3724.94] it's like private property of NASA and +[3724.94 --> 3727.14] JPL like it's and then it's inside like +[3727.14 --> 3729.88] this sealed case even you know and it was +[3729.88 --> 3732.78] like really a big deal and Tim bless his +[3732.78 --> 3734.16] heart you know I think with just +[3734.16 --> 3736.54] everything going on he got up walked +[3736.54 --> 3739.04] away left it on the bench he left it on +[3739.04 --> 3741.78] the bench we very nearly had our own +[3741.78 --> 3744.28] iPhone 4 moment didn't we very nearly +[3744.28 --> 3748.06] yeah you tapped him on the shoulder and +[3748.06 --> 3749.48] you're like I think you forgot something +[3749.48 --> 3752.54] and I think he was extremely grateful a +[3753.06 --> 3754.66] little bit of history right there yeah +[3754.66 --> 3757.78] what a lovely guy what a lovely guy yeah +[3757.78 --> 3759.36] it was really nice of him to help us +[3759.36 --> 3762.44] make all that happen and then to make +[3762.44 --> 3764.44] it to the meetup as well and bring a +[3764.44 --> 3766.90] little show-and-tell for everybody just +[3766.90 --> 3768.48] so cool really really a great +[3768.48 --> 3769.56] experience something you'll never +[3769.56 --> 3771.46] forget you know yeah huge thanks to +[3771.46 --> 3773.52] Tim huge thanks to everybody at JB but +[3773.52 --> 3775.10] of course thanks to Linode as well for +[3775.10 --> 3776.96] enabling us all to go down there and +[3776.96 --> 3780.12] take the tour you know yeah absolutely +[3780.12 --> 3782.64] they they really came through for us and +[3782.64 --> 3783.82] you know we had some great swag we got +[3783.82 --> 3785.24] to give away swag to people who came to +[3785.24 --> 3787.00] JPL and came to all the meetups too and +[3787.00 --> 3789.58] Linode gave us an updated shirt for the +[3789.58 --> 3791.70] road with the new route on there and all +[3791.70 --> 3794.60] that and brighter bolder colors so +[3794.60 --> 3796.32] awesome you know we got to meet some +[3796.32 --> 3797.50] members while we were down there as +[3797.50 --> 3798.82] well so thank you to all the members +[3798.82 --> 3799.94] who make this show possible +[3799.94 --> 3802.60] self-hosted.show.sre if you'd like to +[3802.60 --> 3804.66] sign up you are our site reliability +[3804.66 --> 3806.36] engineers and you can support all the +[3806.36 --> 3807.84] shows if you want to get an ad-free +[3807.84 --> 3809.34] version and all their special features +[3809.34 --> 3811.78] for the whole network at jupiter.party +[3811.78 --> 3814.48] the very last meetup is on the day that +[3814.48 --> 3816.00] this episode airs so if you're a very +[3816.00 --> 3817.96] keen listener you've still got time to +[3817.96 --> 3820.10] catch Chris in Portland on his way +[3820.10 --> 3823.30] back north at 6 p.m pacific time on +[3823.30 --> 3825.48] October the 7th yep and if you missed +[3825.48 --> 3827.60] us future meetups meetup.com slash +[3827.60 --> 3829.74] jupiter broadcasting although I do think +[3829.74 --> 3832.02] we've we've done the meetups pretty +[3832.02 --> 3834.20] heavily for the last few months I will +[3834.20 --> 3835.26] say if you're going to be in Raleigh +[3835.26 --> 3837.86] around Halloween at all things open I'm +[3837.86 --> 3839.26] going to be in town obviously because I +[3839.26 --> 3841.02] live here but so is Cheese Bacon +[3841.02 --> 3842.90] longtime friend of the network I think +[3842.90 --> 3844.66] system 76 are sending him over to +[3844.66 --> 3848.86] Manor booth for the conference so we may +[3848.86 --> 3851.98] do an informal meetup keep an eye on the +[3851.98 --> 3854.94] matrix rally room and we'll talk about +[3854.94 --> 3856.20] any stuff that's going to happen in +[3856.20 --> 3857.60] there mention in the shows too of +[3857.60 --> 3859.78] course but the details will be in the +[3859.78 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