| [0.00 --> 8.58] Well, welcome into episode 68 of Self-Hosted, everybody. This is a big episode today. We've got Chris with me in person.
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| [8.82 --> 10.66] Sitting right here. I get the desk, too.
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| [10.84 --> 13.78] I know. I can look into the whites of your eyes today. That's very strange.
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| [14.04 --> 21.90] You've got a, if anybody has seen, is it Louis Rossman, right? You just need the cat. You look exactly like Louis Rossman right now in that huge lounge chair with the microphone.
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| [21.90 --> 25.92] I don't have the muscles and the anger's dialed down a little bit.
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| [26.48 --> 27.70] Yeah, you're not quite as am.
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| [27.70 --> 31.06] I'd also like to welcome in today Wes Payne.
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| [31.62 --> 33.44] Hello, hello. It's good to be back.
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| [33.76 --> 36.68] Hey, Wes. How was the trip in? You got here just a little bit ago.
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| [37.26 --> 42.42] It was a little longer, a few extra flights that I didn't expect, but it was well, well worth it.
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| [43.06 --> 45.94] 50% more flights, if I understand it right.
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| [46.56 --> 47.40] Unfortunately so.
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| [47.52 --> 56.76] Yeah, so these two fine gentlemen are joining me today at my house for the big Jupiter Broadcasting East Coast meetup, which is on Saturday.
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| [56.76 --> 66.00] And looking like it's going to be a hell of a party because not only do we have probably over 100 people showing up, but there's some town event going on too.
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| [66.10 --> 69.64] So it's going to be, I mean, we're going to, this is going to be one of those where we have stories for a while.
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| [69.64 --> 75.14] As this episode airs, the meetup will be the day after.
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| [75.34 --> 77.38] So, you know, it airs on Friday, so the meetup's on the Saturday.
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| [78.32 --> 83.10] I think this town event is like an Easter, like spring fling thing.
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| [83.48 --> 86.60] There's going to be food trucks and all sorts of crazy stuff.
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| [86.60 --> 91.38] So if you're in the Raleigh area, or even if you're not, stop by, say hi, it would be amazing to see you.
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| [91.94 --> 101.18] It was nice for us, though, because we got in a couple of days early so we could, you know, hang out and pre-show a little bit as we do and do some barbecuing and do some talking and catching up.
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| [101.92 --> 104.68] So Brent is actually en route right now, too, as we record.
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| [105.24 --> 107.66] Just, you know, and it's great to see your new place.
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| [107.72 --> 110.26] Well, it's probably not as new to you anymore, but it's new to all of us.
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| [110.40 --> 111.18] Oh, yes.
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| [111.18 --> 116.14] And it's like the size of a bed and breakfast, like it's an estate.
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| [116.94 --> 118.94] So it can fit all of us easily.
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| [119.44 --> 121.66] I don't want people thinking I live in some McMansion.
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| [122.14 --> 123.34] It's a pretty nice house.
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| [123.36 --> 124.60] It's just below McMansion.
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| [124.66 --> 125.34] It's not ridiculous.
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| [125.68 --> 126.56] It's not ludicrous.
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| [126.70 --> 127.04] We're comfortable.
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| [127.34 --> 127.82] And you know what?
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| [127.84 --> 129.76] It actually seems pretty reasonable when all of us are in town.
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| [130.42 --> 131.24] Right, exactly.
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| [131.38 --> 139.28] I mean, hosting people, because, you know, one of the reasons we bought this place was we host family from England for three, four, five weeks at a time.
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| [139.28 --> 144.56] And when you've got four or five people in a house, like you don't want to be all on top of each other for that long.
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| [144.86 --> 145.32] And a baby.
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| [145.76 --> 147.26] And a baby now, of course.
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| [147.44 --> 148.30] Baby needs his naps.
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| [148.68 --> 149.84] And I've got to have room for the drums.
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| [150.14 --> 151.00] Right, of course.
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| [151.48 --> 153.20] The drums, the printer, the workshop.
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| [153.70 --> 153.84] Right.
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| [153.94 --> 154.48] But you know what I wanted?
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| [154.60 --> 158.08] Like, of course, you know, when somebody arrives, like, you know, they want the tour, right?
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| [158.20 --> 161.16] But I wanted the tech tour when I arrived.
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| [161.46 --> 164.68] I feel like we're in a real life episode of MTV Cribs today.
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| [164.82 --> 165.00] Right.
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| [165.38 --> 166.52] It's self-hosted Cribs.
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| [166.52 --> 173.98] And so we thought we should start with the very basics, like how Alex is getting power into his house, because you've got a pretty impressive solar setup.
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| [176.00 --> 176.62] Oh, yeah.
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| [176.68 --> 177.30] There you go.
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| [179.88 --> 180.68] Oh, interesting.
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| [180.78 --> 184.38] Did they put, like, a netting along the bottoms to keep out?
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| [184.70 --> 185.28] Kriter guard.
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| [185.46 --> 186.12] Yeah, okay.
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| [187.78 --> 188.58] So there you go.
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| [188.72 --> 192.08] That's eight kilowatt hours.
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| [192.80 --> 193.66] Eight kilowatt array.
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| [193.66 --> 193.74] Okay.
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| [196.52 --> 199.04] So they're probably getting their main sun starting right about now.
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| [199.66 --> 207.26] In the summer, we get perfect sun from about 10 a.m. to about 3 p.m.
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| [207.30 --> 207.96] Oh, nice.
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| [208.16 --> 210.62] And then these guys get in the way slowly.
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| [211.06 --> 211.28] Yeah.
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| [211.46 --> 214.12] You can look on the monitoring app for SolarEdge.
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| [214.18 --> 214.36] Yeah.
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| [214.44 --> 217.74] And you can see the shadow moving across the roof.
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| [217.90 --> 219.34] It does per panel breakdown.
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| [219.34 --> 222.16] Yeah, so that's the panels.
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| [222.46 --> 222.58] Yeah.
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| [223.28 --> 226.86] And then they brought the cables in through the attic and down through the back.
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| [226.94 --> 228.08] So that was the room we were sat in.
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| [228.12 --> 228.90] That was the bonus room.
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| [229.46 --> 234.78] So they brought the power sort of through this metal conduit out the back and through the attic of the house.
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| [236.56 --> 237.74] Pretty good service right there.
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| [237.74 --> 242.82] And so you can see the metal conduit coming down the side of the drain pipe there.
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| [243.38 --> 247.02] And then into this SolarEdge inverter thingy that's here.
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| [247.12 --> 247.62] So that's it, really.
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| [247.80 --> 248.68] There's a...
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| [248.68 --> 251.04] It's really not that complicated until...
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| [251.04 --> 253.30] I suppose if you were to put a battery wall in there, it would get more complicated.
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| [253.40 --> 254.80] It would, and that would probably go around here.
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| [255.16 --> 257.42] This thing is a Wi-Fi bridge.
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| [257.54 --> 260.48] I used to have a Zigbee bridge, but it kept dropping out for some reason.
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| [260.48 --> 263.08] And the repeater was in the bonus room just up there.
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| [263.58 --> 267.18] But this one now is into the basement, into the server area.
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| [267.86 --> 270.32] And it's just based on just 2.4 gig Wi-Fi.
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| [270.62 --> 270.70] Yeah.
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| [270.74 --> 270.96] Wow.
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| [271.32 --> 272.50] It has its own SSID.
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| [273.24 --> 275.90] Just for some reason talks that way.
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| [276.02 --> 281.92] And then I plug in an Ethernet cable into their little SolarEdge little white box receiver thing.
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| [282.18 --> 284.34] And then it connects out through the Internet that way.
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| [284.50 --> 286.78] And then they have a web portal for all the deets.
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| [286.90 --> 287.80] And that's how they can monitor.
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| [288.14 --> 288.34] Yeah.
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| [288.60 --> 288.90] Wow.
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| [288.90 --> 290.64] And they have an app, of course.
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| [290.66 --> 291.26] Do they have an API?
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| [291.48 --> 292.10] That's the question.
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| [292.30 --> 293.88] Yes, that's how Home Assistant gets it.
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| [294.08 --> 294.66] Oh, yeah.
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| [295.14 --> 295.80] That's great.
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| [296.70 --> 296.86] Yeah.
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| [297.02 --> 302.74] I mean, I was actually looking at a Kickstarter the other day where they do smart breaker panels.
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| [302.76 --> 303.10] Yeah, yeah.
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| [303.22 --> 307.18] And each breaker has the smarts built into it to read.
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| [307.22 --> 308.48] Why are we not having this already?
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| [308.68 --> 312.86] There's also a group that will analyze just your house power using machine learning
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| [312.86 --> 317.92] and try to give a best guess of what appliances are running and then assign the individual usage to those.
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| [317.92 --> 318.48] Yeah.
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| [318.68 --> 320.56] Just by looking at the load, the average load.
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| [320.76 --> 320.92] Yeah.
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| [321.20 --> 323.98] How do you tell between, well, I was going to say a fridge and a server.
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| [324.08 --> 326.18] Or how do you tell between a hairdryer and a toaster?
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| [326.26 --> 326.68] I don't know.
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| [326.80 --> 328.24] But maybe they have ways.
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| [328.90 --> 330.84] Subtle signs in the data they think they found.
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| [331.08 --> 331.24] Yeah.
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| [332.10 --> 332.52] Well, great.
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| [332.66 --> 333.54] Thank you for showing this to us.
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| [333.54 --> 338.66] I'm just waiting for that episode where we get connected and you're like, okay, I'm ready to build the battery wall.
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| [339.02 --> 340.32] I do want to do that.
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| [340.44 --> 341.44] And as you've seen.
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| [341.58 --> 341.90] I think we could cuss.
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| [341.96 --> 344.88] I know you're going to do something fancy and nice, but I'm telling you we could DIY that thing.
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| [344.94 --> 345.32] We could.
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| [345.44 --> 345.58] Yeah.
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| [345.58 --> 351.40] I mean, as you've seen just before we were going to record, we get some lightning and some pretty big storms blow through here.
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| [351.48 --> 356.82] And sometimes they knock down trees and the power goes out for four or five hours just on a random Tuesday.
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| [357.28 --> 358.30] And that can be quite annoying.
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| [358.70 --> 360.64] So there's two options for me for a power wall.
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| [360.74 --> 366.48] Number one is to build a dedicated UPS for my house, which sounds awesome.
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| [366.48 --> 372.08] Because, I mean, just in this room, I think I have four UPSs just to make sure everything stays on during those little brownouts.
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| [372.08 --> 372.58] I mean, what have I?
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| [372.64 --> 373.36] I've probably counted.
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| [373.92 --> 374.52] Yeah, at least.
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| [374.76 --> 376.10] Have I counted six UPSs?
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| [376.10 --> 377.78] Well, there's one for my desktop right there.
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| [377.88 --> 379.94] There's another one over there for like my 3D printer.
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| [380.42 --> 383.28] And then there's another one over there for all my guitar amp equipment and stuff like that.
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| [383.30 --> 385.32] And there's stuff where the servers are, taco stuff and some of the other stuff.
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| [385.32 --> 388.26] There's another one in that closet, the backup closet, which we'll get to in a minute.
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| [388.92 --> 389.82] There's another one in.
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| [390.12 --> 390.98] It's ridiculous.
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| [391.80 --> 392.98] Screw the whole house vacuum.
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| [393.10 --> 393.22] Yeah.
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| [393.26 --> 394.06] Whole house UPS.
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| [394.30 --> 394.90] That sounds great.
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| [394.90 --> 396.66] I just got fed up of brownouts.
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| [397.16 --> 402.98] Yeah, I guess the goal should be is like, as these UPSs get to the point where the batteries are aging out, that's when it's time to do the power wall.
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| [403.38 --> 403.70] Right?
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| [403.78 --> 404.78] That's when you do the power wall.
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| [405.10 --> 405.34] Yeah.
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| [405.46 --> 405.78] True.
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| [405.90 --> 406.36] True enough.
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| [406.70 --> 406.84] Yeah.
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| [407.28 --> 409.22] So we also got to see the server basement.
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| [409.52 --> 411.38] I've been wanting to see this set up for a while.
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| [415.96 --> 416.32] Nice.
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| [416.64 --> 417.20] That's it, really.
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| [417.34 --> 418.12] I'm loving it.
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| [418.44 --> 419.80] So let's walk us through what we got here.
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| [419.84 --> 422.22] We've got a nice wood built rack.
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| [422.22 --> 424.96] I mean, maybe not as nice as the one brand built.
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| [425.62 --> 425.98] Maybe.
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| [426.22 --> 426.82] Maybe it is.
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| [426.84 --> 427.54] That's custom order.
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| [428.08 --> 429.08] Maybe, maybe it isn't.
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| [429.32 --> 429.90] Can't say.
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| [431.16 --> 432.52] Well, tell me what you think we've got.
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| [433.24 --> 438.00] Well, I'm seeing a couple of APC UPSs.
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| [438.16 --> 442.26] I'm seeing your carrier's modem or whatever it is over there.
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| [442.48 --> 443.40] Just in modem mode.
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| [443.40 --> 448.02] Of course, we've got this big rack here that's a system with how many disks?
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| [448.24 --> 448.68] I forget.
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| [448.80 --> 449.96] I know you've told me, but I forget.
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| [450.94 --> 452.68] And then what is this guy down here?
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| [452.94 --> 454.30] This little itty bitty machine.
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| [454.70 --> 455.98] That's OpenSense.
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| [456.22 --> 456.68] Oh, okay.
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| [456.74 --> 457.36] That's the firewall.
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| [457.80 --> 459.22] I'm seeing a couple of switches there.
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| [459.50 --> 459.68] Yeah.
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| [459.76 --> 466.12] You've got a POE switch with eight ports for POE running two cameras at least and two, maybe
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| [466.12 --> 467.76] three access points off that guy.
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| [467.86 --> 468.12] Okay.
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| [468.30 --> 469.88] So there's room for future expansion on that.
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| [469.88 --> 474.22] I think I've only used five out of the eight ports, so I do plan on running another couple
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| [474.22 --> 474.62] of cameras.
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| [474.98 --> 475.16] Oh.
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| [475.92 --> 476.80] Temperature sensor here?
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| [477.28 --> 477.54] Yeah.
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| [477.62 --> 485.40] So this is an ESP8266 hooked up to a DHT22 temperature sensor, so it does temperature and humidity down
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| [485.40 --> 485.60] here.
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| [486.18 --> 487.88] I put it sort of behind the server.
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| [488.10 --> 491.66] Now I think about it, maybe I should put it away from the server so it doesn't, you
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| [491.66 --> 495.44] know, so the heat from the fans at the back doesn't affect the readings too much.
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| [495.44 --> 500.40] But seeing a new AOTAC Z-stick, and I see it's plugged into the back of the machine there.
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| [500.46 --> 501.20] Is that what I'm seeing, maybe?
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| [501.56 --> 505.02] Actually, that one's in a drawer upstairs, because I ditched the Z-Wave stuff.
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| [505.12 --> 506.54] I see more experiences with it.
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| [506.64 --> 506.80] Yeah?
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| [506.96 --> 509.06] And I went the Zigbee route and got the...
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| [509.06 --> 510.20] Combi Zigbee USB.
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| [510.38 --> 510.62] Nice.
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| [510.80 --> 512.16] Is that what I'm seeing plugged in there?
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| [512.24 --> 516.08] Yeah, there's a Combi 2 in there, as well as connections to the UPS.
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| [516.14 --> 517.72] So this must be the Proxmox box, then?
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| [517.86 --> 518.44] Yeah, that's it.
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| [518.52 --> 519.48] That's the one that does everything.
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| [519.66 --> 521.22] And so then home assistance around on this guy?
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| [521.32 --> 522.12] Home assistance on there.
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| [522.12 --> 524.12] That's got the i5-8500 in there.
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| [524.26 --> 530.54] It's the ASRock Mini ITX, no, Micro ITX board that I put in there last autumn.
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| [532.16 --> 532.58] What's this?
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| [532.76 --> 533.52] 10 or 12 discs.
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| [533.62 --> 534.66] Why does it say disc failed?
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| [535.56 --> 536.20] I'm just kidding.
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| [537.14 --> 537.96] He had me.
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| [539.32 --> 540.12] He had me.
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| [540.72 --> 543.88] And then I've got this cool, like, little KVM switch.
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| [543.96 --> 544.64] I don't know if it's...
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| [544.64 --> 545.54] Oh, yeah, great.
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| [545.68 --> 547.92] ...actually connected up, because this is...
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| [547.92 --> 548.40] Oh, there you go.
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| [548.40 --> 548.70] There you go.
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| [548.92 --> 549.98] H-top up on the screen.
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| [549.98 --> 553.02] So I've been running H-top for the last eight years, maybe.
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| [553.28 --> 553.64] Yeah, right.
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| [554.68 --> 556.52] And it does the keyboard, too, which is pretty nice.
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| [556.62 --> 557.20] That's super handy.
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| [558.32 --> 559.20] So there you go.
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| [559.26 --> 559.40] Yeah.
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| [560.12 --> 560.60] Love this.
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| [561.46 --> 562.46] And it just runs.
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| [563.32 --> 563.74] It just...
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| [563.74 --> 565.06] And it's not loud at all, really.
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| [565.84 --> 568.46] Well, not really, but I do have the fans turned up, because it's in the basement.
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| [568.54 --> 568.90] Yeah, why not?
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| [568.92 --> 569.70] I don't care about it.
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| [569.78 --> 569.94] Right.
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| [569.98 --> 571.72] You know, just keep the airflow going through.
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| [571.76 --> 575.62] And I figure, actually, in the basement environment, having a little bit of air movement is probably
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| [575.62 --> 575.96] a good thing.
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| [575.96 --> 576.24] Mm-hmm.
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| [576.24 --> 578.56] Yeah, probably a little bit of a dehumidifier.
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| [578.70 --> 579.62] It's probably doing me a solid.
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| [580.48 --> 580.86] Nice.
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| [581.28 --> 581.92] There it is.
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| [582.22 --> 583.04] The famous setup.
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| [583.56 --> 587.92] I do have some future projects for myself and Brent, because Brent's staying with me for
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| [587.92 --> 589.64] the next week or two after you guys leave.
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| [590.30 --> 595.64] So we're going to rewire quite a lot of what's down there, and you redo all the Ethernet into
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| [595.64 --> 600.76] a patch panel, wall mount a lot of the switches that are down there, probably run a couple
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| [600.76 --> 602.92] more cameras, pull some more Ethernet.
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| [602.92 --> 604.44] That's always easier with two people.
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| [604.82 --> 605.14] Mm-hmm.
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| [605.40 --> 605.82] Mm-hmm.
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| [606.44 --> 606.66] Yeah.
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| [606.76 --> 610.94] And then the other thing we got a little peek at, because Alex's place is so big, he can
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| [610.94 --> 613.32] have a closet that's basically like an off-site backup.
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| [614.88 --> 616.08] I did think about this.
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| [616.18 --> 619.24] So the server is at one end of the house.
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| [619.24 --> 619.46] Right.
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| [619.48 --> 620.50] The right-hand end.
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| [620.86 --> 624.46] And then the room we're in to record is my bonus room above the garage, which is the
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| [624.46 --> 626.22] left-hand end of the house, as I think about it.
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| [626.46 --> 627.60] Maybe we should call these wings.
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| [627.90 --> 628.16] Yeah.
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| [628.40 --> 631.22] But if there's going to be a pipe bust or something like that.
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| [631.26 --> 631.78] Well, that's it.
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| [631.84 --> 632.86] That's the insurance, isn't it?
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| [632.86 --> 633.02] Yeah.
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| [633.02 --> 636.42] You know, if a tornado was to blow through or a hurricane was to blow through and knock
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| [636.42 --> 640.94] the house down, I am out of luck with both of these boxes in the building.
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| [641.02 --> 641.22] Maybe.
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| [641.30 --> 643.60] I mean, you can still see one part of the structure could remain standing.
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| [643.86 --> 644.10] Maybe.
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| [644.20 --> 645.60] And you're having them on opposite sides, so.
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| [645.74 --> 646.26] Yeah, maybe.
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| [646.84 --> 650.94] Or when the worst event happens, you know, whichever side you're closer to, you can try to grab
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| [650.94 --> 652.24] the box on your way out of the house.
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| [652.36 --> 652.60] Right.
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| [652.92 --> 653.38] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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| [653.46 --> 656.30] Grab the baby in one hand, the server in the other.
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| [656.64 --> 657.30] Come on, wife.
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| [657.30 --> 658.30] You can carry yourself.
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| [658.30 --> 659.78] Oh, someone grab the dog.
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| [660.74 --> 662.46] I'm pretty sure he can carry himself, too.
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| [663.22 --> 667.22] So this is a bit of a, like, storage for, like, boxes and gear.
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| [667.44 --> 669.54] And then I see some backup power supplies.
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| [669.66 --> 670.80] I see some switch gear.
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| [670.88 --> 671.82] I see a patch panel.
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| [672.08 --> 672.36] Yeah.
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| [672.58 --> 672.90] Printer.
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| [673.50 --> 674.00] Two switches.
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| [675.34 --> 676.44] What is this guy over here?
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| [676.46 --> 677.36] Is this an HD tuner?
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| [677.62 --> 678.70] HD hard run, yeah.
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| [678.82 --> 680.26] Are you pulling it over the air?
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| [680.40 --> 680.68] Yeah.
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| [681.36 --> 682.56] And it works in here like that?
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| [683.00 --> 683.40] Yeah.
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| [683.40 --> 685.36] I mean, it's just pointed towards the antenna.
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| [685.56 --> 690.42] Painting a picture for the listener, I just have an over-the-air kind of flat wall antenna
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| [690.42 --> 693.64] just resting, dangling on a shelf, pointed at the ceiling.
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| [694.48 --> 696.46] And it just works well enough.
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| [696.58 --> 700.70] And to be honest with you, the only time I use over-the-air tuner is when we've got some
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| [700.70 --> 702.98] weather coming through, and I want to watch the weather reports.
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| [703.00 --> 703.96] Yeah, yeah, me too.
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| [704.82 --> 706.78] So you call this the backup closet?
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| [706.78 --> 712.00] Because down on the bottom right-hand corner over there, there's a little Lian Li Q25B
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| [712.00 --> 716.92] case with three hard drives in it, and just above it is the...
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| [716.92 --> 719.08] Oh, this is just a silent little machine running here.
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| [719.10 --> 722.46] That's the HP290 Slim I keep talking about that runs my Blue Iris.
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| [722.90 --> 723.86] I wouldn't even know when it was on.
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| [724.08 --> 724.34] Nope.
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| [724.82 --> 726.84] I can feel just a tiny bit of airflow, but that's it.
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| [727.36 --> 727.48] Huh.
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| [727.76 --> 728.80] The backup server's off.
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| [729.28 --> 732.50] I turn that on once a week, does its thing, and then it turns off.
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| [733.22 --> 735.32] I have a sense, too, that we haven't even seen everything.
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| [735.32 --> 737.86] Like, I think as we'll be here for the next few days, you'll be like, oh, right, I wanted
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| [737.86 --> 738.88] to show you this, too.
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| [739.24 --> 740.18] I do hope so, yeah.
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| [740.44 --> 740.64] Yeah.
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| [741.04 --> 741.86] That's always how it goes.
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| [742.44 --> 745.70] Well, I think we're only just beginning to get a sense of all the automations at play,
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| [745.76 --> 745.84] right?
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| [745.84 --> 749.44] We've sort of scrapped the surface, the big ticket items that we've heard about on the
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| [749.44 --> 750.60] show that we've been looking forward to.
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| [750.70 --> 755.14] But, you know, you see Alex over there comfy in his chair, and you can tell, he's controlling
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| [755.14 --> 755.98] pretty much everything.
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| [756.54 --> 759.32] Yeah, just before we were going to record, Chris was like, can you turn off the AC?
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| [759.42 --> 760.06] It's a bit noisy.
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| [760.28 --> 761.68] And he went to walk over to do...
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| [761.68 --> 762.60] I was like, dude, sit down.
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| [762.80 --> 763.34] I'm like an animal.
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| [763.82 --> 764.34] I know.
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| [764.34 --> 768.74] I know, and it was funny because I've also noticed, like, you know, there's little temperature
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| [768.74 --> 769.62] sensors throughout.
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| [769.88 --> 771.40] There's some buttons here and there.
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| [771.86 --> 772.44] What do you think of them?
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| [772.48 --> 775.56] These are the little Xiaomi Bluetooth low energy ones.
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| [775.66 --> 777.84] Yeah, I like that they have the actual temperature display on there.
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| [777.94 --> 782.52] And just on the wall behind you, underneath the little Red Hat Bluetooth speaker, there's
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| [782.52 --> 786.38] a little ESP32 3D printed with the yellow cable going into it.
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| [786.68 --> 790.30] And that is what he's talking on Bluetooth low energy to all these different temperature
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| [790.30 --> 792.78] sensors throughout this half of the building.
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| [792.78 --> 796.86] And then down the other end, I've got another one which talks to the ones down that end.
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| [797.06 --> 800.10] And then they all feed through ESP home into Home Assistant.
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| [800.60 --> 800.86] Nice.
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| [801.70 --> 801.94] Yeah.
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| [802.56 --> 805.74] Also, everything has sort of been augmented with...
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| [805.74 --> 809.06] You can see where Alex has seen a problem, like, oh, I can 3D print that solution.
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| [809.22 --> 809.78] Oh, yeah, definitely.
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| [810.06 --> 811.34] Desk parts have been augmented.
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| [811.82 --> 814.46] Things mounted to the wall have been augmented with a 3D print.
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| [814.72 --> 817.86] There's just little bits of 3D printing solutions here and there.
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| [817.86 --> 821.38] You obviously are like, you see a problem and you're like, oh, I'm going to print the fix
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| [821.38 --> 821.62] to that.
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| [821.70 --> 824.60] Well, I didn't spend money on a 3D printer to buy stuff.
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| [824.74 --> 825.16] I didn't have to look at it.
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| [825.24 --> 825.60] Come on.
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| [826.86 --> 828.16] It's a replicator, dang it.
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| [828.22 --> 829.20] So I want you to turn around.
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| [829.50 --> 831.92] I've given you a hard time about Raspberry Pis in the past.
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| [832.44 --> 834.62] There is a drawer marked To Do.
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| [835.18 --> 835.36] Yeah?
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| [835.62 --> 839.24] And in that drawer, I want you to kind of pie shame you.
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| [839.24 --> 844.04] These are all the projects that I have in progress or To Do.
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| [844.84 --> 846.50] Oh, they're each in a case, too.
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| [846.64 --> 846.88] Yeah.
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| [847.10 --> 850.50] I don't know how you managed to come up with an idea more haunting than a To Do list, but
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| [850.50 --> 852.34] a To Do drawer of physical objects.
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| [852.54 --> 854.82] This is going to be about where I'm at, dude.
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| [855.24 --> 858.82] You've got four pies within arm's reach, because there's one over here, too, a Kodi
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| [858.82 --> 859.10] box.
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| [859.12 --> 861.18] And there's one attached to the 3D printer as well.
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| [861.80 --> 864.12] So there's five pies within arm's reach of me.
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| [864.22 --> 865.62] Just within arm's reach of me.
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| [865.62 --> 865.74] Yeah.
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| [866.80 --> 868.10] And I'm using one of them.
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| [869.04 --> 870.28] I like this case.
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| [870.38 --> 871.58] These got some good cases here.
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| [871.70 --> 873.50] Of course, you've got the Flirk one, which I love, too.
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| [873.50 --> 874.56] We've got the Flirk case.
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| [874.70 --> 877.34] We've got the Geekworm aluminium case.
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| [878.02 --> 882.64] The Geekworm one is particularly good for the 3D printer, because you take one half
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| [882.64 --> 886.24] off and 3D print a specific bracket, and then screw the two together.
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| [886.72 --> 889.64] And you've got some heat dissipation for the Pi 4 and one half.
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| [890.12 --> 893.90] And then the custom bracket attaches to the 3D printer, and it's good to go.
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| [895.66 --> 897.56] You can't give me a hard time anymore.
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| [897.66 --> 898.42] You've been outed now.
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| [898.48 --> 898.90] I know.
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| [899.10 --> 899.28] I know.
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| [899.28 --> 904.30] The thing is, though, I buy stuff like home automation gear, and then I think, oh, I'll
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| [904.30 --> 905.86] install that later.
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| [906.54 --> 910.78] And then don't open the second drawer on the right, though, and look at all the Shelly
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| [910.78 --> 911.30] gear I've got.
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| [911.36 --> 911.94] Oh, no.
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| [912.98 --> 913.90] Shamefully, I've bought.
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| [913.98 --> 915.02] I just haven't got around to install it.
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| [915.02 --> 915.32] I know.
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| [915.44 --> 917.66] I have a basket full of that stuff right now.
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| [917.66 --> 919.38] But I'll get to it one of these days.
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| [919.90 --> 920.32] You know what?
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| [920.34 --> 921.08] And I'm not even kidding.
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| [921.26 --> 924.56] In that basket are some Wyze cameras, too, that I've got to deploy.
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| [925.06 --> 927.54] And that got sent into the show a couple of times this week.
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| [927.78 --> 931.66] Wyze took it over the back end about security.
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| [932.24 --> 935.58] And people wrote in wanting to know what we thought about it, including Eric Johnston.
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| [935.66 --> 939.38] He wrote in and said, hey, guys, you know, you've talked about the Waze cameras quite
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| [939.38 --> 939.74] a bit.
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| [940.16 --> 940.88] They're actually Wyze.
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| [940.96 --> 942.56] But you're talking about the Wyze cameras quite a bit.
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| [942.56 --> 944.42] And I thought you'd be interested to know this.
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| [944.56 --> 945.70] Gizmodo wrote an article.
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| [946.28 --> 951.24] And the headline is, you should probably stop using your Wyze camera right now.
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| [952.04 --> 955.68] Verge, the Verge wrote a headline that said, I'm done with Wyze.
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| [956.26 --> 959.98] And I think the gist of what happened, I was traveling, but I think the gist of what happened
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| [959.98 --> 964.80] is it turns out, turns out there's a pretty nasty vulnerability in the V1 camera.
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| [964.98 --> 965.92] They no longer sell.
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| [966.46 --> 967.62] They had to be on your LAN first.
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| [967.62 --> 971.24] But if they got on your LAN and got some information off of your Wyze camera, which supposedly
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| [971.24 --> 975.80] they could do if they just had LAN access, then later on they could access your camera
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| [975.80 --> 978.12] and include information about your camera, even remotely.
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| [979.10 --> 983.88] So like Wes comes to my house, gets onto my Wyze cameras, then he's peeping on me from
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| [983.88 --> 984.98] remote from then on out.
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| [985.26 --> 987.96] I did make you guys a dedicated guest network.
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| [988.48 --> 989.28] That explains it.
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| [989.50 --> 990.30] Just to be safe.
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| [991.48 --> 993.52] So I mean, some of this is hyperbole, right?
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| [993.56 --> 995.66] Some of this is just journalism, clickbait stuff.
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| [995.66 --> 998.84] You know, you should stop using your Wyze cameras immediately.
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| [999.12 --> 999.86] Okay, fine.
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| [999.96 --> 1000.18] Yes.
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| [1000.72 --> 1003.14] I understand why they write that headline.
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| [1003.50 --> 1010.04] But since the original publication of the article, Wyze themselves have released a response,
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| [1010.30 --> 1015.18] you know, stating like Chris said, we'd like to let our users know that these vulnerabilities
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| [1015.18 --> 1017.66] required some form of local network access.
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| [1017.90 --> 1021.16] And that does really rule out most attack vectors.
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| [1021.16 --> 1025.74] I mean, unless you have a really crappy Wi-Fi password or you just leave an Ethernet cable
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| [1025.74 --> 1027.80] hanging out your mailbox by the street.
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| [1027.96 --> 1031.56] I mean, most people aren't going to get to your local network.
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| [1032.58 --> 1034.52] And so for me, yeah, fine.
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| [1034.84 --> 1037.58] The V1s were vulnerable for a while.
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| [1037.66 --> 1043.66] But what really actually bothers me is how Wyze as a company handled this vulnerability.
|
| [1044.04 --> 1045.36] Yeah, that's the problem, right?
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| [1045.78 --> 1048.46] Is they just essentially sweeped under the rug and discontinued the model.
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| [1048.46 --> 1051.40] And I guess maybe the logic was, is we're not making any more of them.
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| [1052.16 --> 1052.98] Yeah, I suppose so.
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| [1053.04 --> 1056.74] We're not obligated to do anything better than just say, well, we're not telling you to keep
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| [1056.74 --> 1057.10] using them.
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| [1057.24 --> 1057.42] Yeah.
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| [1057.50 --> 1060.32] And if you updated the version two or version three, you didn't have this problem.
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| [1060.32 --> 1063.72] So they figured, well, I really got away from that problem.
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| [1063.72 --> 1066.46] But in reality is people have these deployed, right?
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| [1066.58 --> 1068.14] Doctors, offices, maybe even who knows.
|
| [1068.26 --> 1069.68] It is a little worse than that.
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| [1069.76 --> 1072.48] So the V1, 2 and 3 were all vulnerable.
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| [1072.66 --> 1072.78] Yeah.
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| [1073.34 --> 1077.36] But they silently released an update a few months ago for the V2 and 3 only.
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| [1077.36 --> 1077.80] Oh.
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| [1078.08 --> 1080.26] So they've left the V1s hung out to dry.
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| [1080.56 --> 1080.80] Yeah.
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| [1081.14 --> 1081.36] Yeah.
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| [1081.78 --> 1083.34] Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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| [1083.62 --> 1083.78] Yeah.
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| [1083.78 --> 1085.28] And then you combine that with bad communication.
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| [1085.82 --> 1091.44] This could be really bad for Wyze because Wyze has aspirations to become the IoT of everything
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| [1091.44 --> 1096.50] vendor from internet scales to door locks to everything.
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| [1096.70 --> 1100.08] In fact, if you open up the Wyze app now, they have a shop section in there.
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| [1100.40 --> 1101.14] They're selling lights.
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| [1101.24 --> 1106.46] They're selling every single kind of IoT, Wi-Fi connected device you can think of.
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| [1106.46 --> 1107.30] They're selling it now.
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| [1107.92 --> 1112.22] And you have to have a brand that's trusted in order to do that.
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| [1112.46 --> 1114.36] And if you don't have a trusted brand, you're dead in the water.
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| [1115.42 --> 1116.48] I agree completely.
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| [1116.84 --> 1121.92] I'm a bit surprised by Bitdefender, who are the security research company who uncovered
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| [1121.92 --> 1122.48] this flaw.
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| [1123.04 --> 1126.82] They sat on it for nearly three years before telling us about it.
|
| [1126.82 --> 1133.48] So, not only is there the original vulnerability that we're talking about here, there were other
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| [1133.48 --> 1140.18] previously undisclosed vulnerabilities that have been bypassing the authentication as well
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| [1140.18 --> 1145.24] as allowing remote code execution reported in both 2019 and 2020.
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| [1145.78 --> 1146.82] That's when they were patched.
|
| [1146.94 --> 1147.24] Sorry.
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| [1147.24 --> 1154.32] But, uh, I mean, I just feel like Wyze has to step their game up.
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| [1154.40 --> 1155.04] This isn't good enough.
|
| [1155.70 --> 1161.64] You know, when they discontinued the V1, they issued a vague, like, uh, hey, this has some
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| [1161.64 --> 1164.26] enhanced security risks, so you probably don't want to use it anymore.
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| [1164.96 --> 1169.56] So, knowing what we know about this, that you have to be on the LAN initially to exploit
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| [1169.56 --> 1169.78] it.
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| [1169.78 --> 1174.34] And then when they discontinued the product, they said, hey, by the way, you should probably
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| [1174.34 --> 1175.06] stop using it.
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| [1175.34 --> 1177.64] I think their exact wording, I found it at one point.
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| [1178.24 --> 1182.48] The company issued a warning during the V1 retirement saying, quote, it has an increased
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| [1182.48 --> 1184.70] risk of attack.
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| [1184.88 --> 1185.70] Increased risk.
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| [1186.96 --> 1190.56] Because you do have to be on the LAN, because it has to be this particular one that they're
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| [1190.56 --> 1194.82] not patching, and because it is a retired product, where is the line here?
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| [1195.40 --> 1197.08] I agree with the V2 and V3.
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| [1197.24 --> 1198.38] There should have been patch notes.
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| [1198.38 --> 1203.92] The only reason that they're end of lifing the product is because it says here in their
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| [1203.92 --> 1208.48] blog post, they can't support the necessary fixes in that product.
|
| [1208.86 --> 1208.90] Yeah.
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| [1208.98 --> 1215.06] And so for me, if it was only being end of life as a consequence of that, gesture of goodwill,
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| [1215.18 --> 1220.74] give us 25% off a V2 or a V3 camera or something, you know, something.
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| [1221.02 --> 1221.32] Yeah.
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| [1221.40 --> 1222.60] Because, you know, they rolled the dice.
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| [1222.86 --> 1227.00] To make a $25 camera, they had to put really cheap parts in there.
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| [1227.00 --> 1229.94] And that's why some of their AI stuff until the V3.
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| [1230.42 --> 1233.26] Honestly, guys, the Wyze cams are not good until the V3.
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| [1233.40 --> 1237.44] The V3 is a really good camera for the price, for $35 or whatever.
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| [1237.60 --> 1240.80] But V1 and V2, they were rough.
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| [1241.00 --> 1242.76] We've been using the V3 as our baby monitor.
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| [1243.04 --> 1243.28] Yeah.
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| [1243.78 --> 1245.54] The night vision on that thing is incredible.
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| [1246.26 --> 1246.56] It is.
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| [1247.34 --> 1248.66] I'm gone right now.
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| [1248.66 --> 1252.66] And half of the way I'm monitoring the RV is with Wyze V3s.
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| [1253.60 --> 1256.82] Every five minutes, he pulls out his phone and he's like, oh, look, there's Levi again.
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| [1257.12 --> 1258.16] I got to check on the dog.
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| [1258.28 --> 1259.42] It's your own form of doom scrolling.
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| [1259.72 --> 1260.02] It is.
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| [1260.28 --> 1265.46] But for me, and I think maybe for a lot of the people in our audience, when I deploy something
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| [1265.46 --> 1272.52] like this, a $25 or a $35 camera, I go in assuming it's going to be monetized in some other way
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| [1272.52 --> 1273.34] that I don't agree with.
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| [1273.48 --> 1277.04] And so I blocked DNS requests from the camera.
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| [1277.10 --> 1278.80] So the cameras can't properly talk to the internet.
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| [1279.12 --> 1281.64] I have to be on my LAN in order to use the cameras.
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| [1282.80 --> 1283.96] And that's just always the way I've...
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| [1283.96 --> 1284.70] So they don't talk to...
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| [1284.70 --> 1286.10] And that means they don't get firmware updates either.
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| [1286.52 --> 1290.40] I have actually restored DNS access and done the firmware thing once, but then that's
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| [1290.40 --> 1291.14] also caused problems.
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| [1291.14 --> 1292.94] So it's not ideal.
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| [1293.32 --> 1295.34] And that's why I've kind of backed off.
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| [1295.42 --> 1298.72] If people have noticed on the show, I don't really talk about them as much anymore because
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| [1298.72 --> 1300.90] it is a bit of a compromise product.
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| [1301.16 --> 1305.56] But for the price and for the functionality and for the ability to integrate it with Home
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| [1305.56 --> 1309.18] Assistant using things like Wyze Bridge, it's a compromise I'm willing to make still.
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| [1309.26 --> 1313.52] And I'm not going to stop using my Wyze cams because of this, but I'd already built kind
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| [1313.52 --> 1315.10] of for this scenario.
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| [1315.70 --> 1318.92] Does it change any of your thoughts on adopting additional Wyze cams?
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| [1319.06 --> 1320.80] You know, is this still a reasonable trade-off?
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| [1320.80 --> 1322.50] Because that seemed kind of how they got on the scene, right?
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| [1322.56 --> 1326.60] Like, look, it's not perfect, but it's cheap, it's workable, and it gets you started instead
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| [1326.60 --> 1330.18] of maybe a, you know, hundreds of dollar fancy IP camera.
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| [1331.50 --> 1332.42] Yeah, I'm always on the fence.
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| [1333.00 --> 1333.92] It's like the Wyze...
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| [1333.92 --> 1338.08] The great thing about the Wyze cams, USB powered, Wi-Fi, they can go outdoors.
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| [1338.72 --> 1341.96] You can get them to work with Home Assistant with pretty much minimal effort.
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| [1342.64 --> 1345.10] And you don't have to run wires or anything like that, right?
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| [1345.10 --> 1346.56] It's just those things are so great.
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| [1347.26 --> 1349.98] But they're also just not quite the right tool for the job.
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| [1349.98 --> 1356.34] They're not quite the right ones to run 24-7, do 4K video, you really want it wired, you
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| [1356.34 --> 1358.24] want POE and that kind of stuff, in my opinion.
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| [1358.60 --> 1360.70] So that's always the balance I'm trying to make.
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| [1361.28 --> 1365.36] Particularly as they're moving into the wider smart home ecosystem, like you were saying,
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| [1365.42 --> 1366.82] they have ambitions to...
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| [1366.82 --> 1368.02] I think they make a doorbell now.
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| [1368.18 --> 1368.98] They make...
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| [1369.56 --> 1371.86] Probably be making a 3D printer before we know it.
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| [1371.86 --> 1379.66] So I think the long-term outlook for me and Wyze is they're just a cheap, convenient solution
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| [1379.66 --> 1382.24] to non-essential problems.
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| [1383.24 --> 1388.86] You know, if the webcam we're using as a baby monitor broke, I'd probably just buy another
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| [1388.86 --> 1392.08] one because they're so cheap compared to a dedicated baby monitor.
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| [1392.08 --> 1396.78] And we have the flexibility of pulling up the app anywhere on any device.
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| [1397.30 --> 1397.86] And, you know...
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| [1397.86 --> 1398.04] Yep.
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| [1398.86 --> 1400.18] They're very flexible.
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| [1400.30 --> 1400.46] Yep.
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| [1400.46 --> 1401.04] They're very cheap.
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| [1401.14 --> 1401.42] Exactly.
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| [1401.50 --> 1402.92] But you do pay a price for that.
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| [1403.02 --> 1404.06] And sometimes they have a great sale.
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| [1404.82 --> 1406.16] They have great sales sometimes, too.
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| [1406.64 --> 1407.38] I think it does say a lot.
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| [1407.44 --> 1410.42] You know, we're just talking about all the things you have automated in your home.
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| [1410.54 --> 1412.08] But that flexibility really is...
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| [1412.08 --> 1413.66] You know, you could set all that up if you wanted to.
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| [1413.66 --> 1417.28] But just the point is that sometimes it's really nice not to have to.
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| [1419.72 --> 1422.20] Linode.com slash SSH.
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| [1422.30 --> 1424.54] Go there to get $100 in 60-day credit.
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| [1424.62 --> 1425.80] And you go there to support the show.
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| [1425.88 --> 1428.30] Go say hello to Linode and support the show.
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| [1428.38 --> 1429.90] Linode.com slash SSH.
|
| [1430.18 --> 1431.10] This is where we're running everything.
|
| [1431.26 --> 1435.80] And just before we left, I wanted the Matrix server to really hum like a top.
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| [1435.80 --> 1444.24] We upgraded that thing to 96 gigs of RAM and 48 epic CPU cores on Linode and 2 terabytes of SSD storage.
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| [1445.44 --> 1447.02] We're cooking with gas now.
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| [1447.12 --> 1448.38] Is that enough to run Matrix?
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| [1448.60 --> 1448.80] Who knows?
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| [1448.80 --> 1449.08] Barely.
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| [1449.30 --> 1449.70] Barely.
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| [1449.80 --> 1450.06] Barely.
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| [1450.14 --> 1454.42] But you know what was great is we've just slowly increased the size of that Linode.
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| [1454.60 --> 1455.96] We started at...
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| [1455.96 --> 1459.38] I mean, we might have started at a $5 Linode because it was just an experiment.
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| [1459.74 --> 1462.36] And then we just kind of turned it up as time has gone on.
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| [1462.40 --> 1464.28] And this time we really cranked it up to 11.
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| [1464.28 --> 1465.86] But you know what else I was thinking?
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| [1466.66 --> 1472.32] I wonder if there'd be a way to use WiseBridge on Linode to have like a remote WiseBridge like a Kinect.
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| [1472.40 --> 1474.82] Maybe like something like a VPN back to my LAN.
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| [1475.34 --> 1481.66] There's so many things you can experiment because they have great price plans for big enterprise operations if you're out there.
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| [1563.72 --> 1568.10] Now, I'm really not sure how I feel about Plex's news this week.
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| [1568.10 --> 1576.76] They've added a universal watch list, which allows for search and discovery across all the streaming services.
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| [1576.92 --> 1581.70] We're talking Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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| [1582.36 --> 1584.44] And they've done all this client side.
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| [1584.56 --> 1586.42] And we all took a look earlier before the show.
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| [1586.42 --> 1588.16] And I'm curious to get your thoughts.
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| [1589.18 --> 1589.50] Hmm.
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| [1589.88 --> 1590.20] Hmm.
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| [1590.32 --> 1590.60] Hmm.
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| [1590.70 --> 1590.88] Hmm.
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| [1590.88 --> 1590.98] Hmm.
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| [1590.98 --> 1592.58] You know, I remember when we talked to the CEO.
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| [1592.82 --> 1600.04] I remember then thinking this is the way they're going because this is probably the most legitimate play they can make for this space.
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| [1600.04 --> 1611.62] And they are also in a very unique position where they have a huge established user base that has a large local library that has the shared function where you can have friends.
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| [1611.76 --> 1613.90] So like Alex and I, we share our Plex libraries with each other.
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| [1615.14 --> 1617.70] And so that last piece was kind of the online streaming.
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| [1617.96 --> 1623.98] So now you can look for a movie and you can see it across all of your friends servers, your own server, or the online streaming services that it's on.
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| [1624.42 --> 1628.68] Now to facilitate this, Plex raised $50 million in funding last year.
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| [1628.74 --> 1630.26] So we knew this was going somewhere.
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| [1630.42 --> 1632.44] And then $20 million just landed even more recently.
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| [1633.72 --> 1639.52] Previously, and probably likely still, their primary revenue came from Plex Pass.
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| [1639.66 --> 1645.14] Now they're transitioning to this new model where in this mix, when you search for a movie, sometimes it's free.
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| [1645.60 --> 1646.80] And that's going to be ad supported.
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| [1646.80 --> 1647.96] And they're going to run a pre-roll.
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| [1647.96 --> 1653.96] And they believe that in 2022, ad supported revenue is going to easily surpass the Plex Pass.
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| [1656.14 --> 1660.44] And okay, so these, I think this is the general, like, okay, I can see where they're going.
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| [1660.68 --> 1661.44] I acknowledge it.
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| [1662.08 --> 1664.62] Yet in the pit of my stomach, I'm very concerned.
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| [1665.62 --> 1676.14] They do make some concessions on the blog post to say, categorically, we do not and do not have any plans to upload your data to our servers.
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| [1676.14 --> 1678.92] You know, we don't really care what's in your libraries, et cetera, et cetera.
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| [1679.08 --> 1679.96] Maybe that's a good thing.
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| [1680.10 --> 1684.44] Since it does seem to be all happening client-side, like your Plex server didn't get updated to support this.
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| [1684.50 --> 1687.08] No, I didn't change my PMS version.
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| [1687.22 --> 1690.76] I didn't change, even the Android TV app didn't get updated.
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| [1690.96 --> 1694.30] We went to check the history before just to see if it was.
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| [1694.40 --> 1705.36] But no, it's all, the client itself, the app, obviously had some frameworks built into it to check Plex's servers to change what it's displaying to me at any given moment.
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| [1705.36 --> 1709.44] And then just at the bottom left-hand corner, it now says discover, brackets, beta.
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| [1710.06 --> 1710.12] Yeah.
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| [1712.42 --> 1719.54] These kinds of things, you know, being able to search across all of the services, they live and die on these business relationships.
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| [1719.94 --> 1721.58] And Roku has tried this.
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| [1721.78 --> 1723.06] Apple has tried this.
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| [1723.06 --> 1727.58] And Plex, you know, this was brought up to the team over at Plex.
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| [1727.76 --> 1732.92] And they said, quote, we are a little bit of a Switzerland in this regard.
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| [1733.04 --> 1735.60] They believe that they can be the Switzerland of streaming.
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| [1735.60 --> 1743.86] And they're going to create deals directly with Samsung and LG to build in Plex that scans across all of these services.
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| [1744.32 --> 1749.76] On the back end, they're building deals out with all these different streaming providers and trying to leverage their public APIs where they can.
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| [1750.44 --> 1751.70] But this has never worked.
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| [1752.88 --> 1752.96] Yeah.
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| [1753.00 --> 1754.14] What's the business model?
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| [1754.34 --> 1756.34] Like, I mean, we tried it, like I said, before the show.
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| [1756.34 --> 1759.98] And the experience was hit or miss, right?
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| [1760.04 --> 1765.34] We often clicked into an app that I didn't have installed or the service linked me.
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| [1765.40 --> 1768.02] I think it was to YouTube in particular for a particular movie.
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| [1768.24 --> 1770.74] I clicked on the movie and nothing happened.
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| [1771.00 --> 1773.54] All I really did was just pass a search parameter to the YouTube app.
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| [1773.68 --> 1775.36] But it was like a limited version of the YouTube app.
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| [1775.52 --> 1781.34] Like even when it did work, it seemed like on net, it was kind of a worse experience than watching from your local.
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| [1781.34 --> 1781.62] Sometimes.
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| [1781.62 --> 1790.06] I mean, I can imagine after you got every single streaming service app installed and you got every single streaming service app logged in, then you go back to Plex.
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| [1790.22 --> 1791.50] I could see that being a little smoother.
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| [1791.68 --> 1798.14] But what would be even incredible, and I understand they can't do this, is if you could just stream it all in Plex because that's what you use Plex for, right?
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| [1798.56 --> 1803.08] It's basically just a shell forwarding you to where the content is.
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| [1803.44 --> 1806.24] They're just trying to deep link to the specific content in that app.
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| [1806.24 --> 1813.26] I don't see Disney or Netflix or Amazon Prime or HBO letting Plex do that.
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| [1813.72 --> 1819.84] You know, bypass DRM, it would probably make the particular streaming service app less sticky.
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| [1820.44 --> 1827.88] So, you know, a lot of the friction of just changing apps for a lot of people is enough to keep people in the Netflix app or in the Disney app.
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| [1828.38 --> 1830.78] Yeah, you kind of lose your moat effect, right?
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| [1830.78 --> 1834.34] But Disney wants you to have to go into the Disney app.
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| [1834.38 --> 1837.66] They want you to experience the Disney Plus experience.
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| [1838.20 --> 1838.30] Right.
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| [1838.38 --> 1844.60] So even if Plex isn't competing in terms of being the actual media dealer, on that, on being the dashboard and the interface, they are.
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| [1844.88 --> 1845.04] Right.
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| [1845.16 --> 1848.50] If you launch the Disney Plus app, they can feature their new movies.
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| [1848.74 --> 1853.98] They can put banners up for the content they're trying to drive traffic to, and they don't have that control over the Plex UI.
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| [1854.18 --> 1855.82] Hey, didn't you know we sell toys for these too?
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| [1856.44 --> 1856.80] Yeah.
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| [1856.80 --> 1867.90] So this is somewhat like some kind of a bastard child of tracked.tv and justwatch.com, because you can set up lists to add certain things to watch lists.
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| [1868.14 --> 1875.24] And when a particular movie's coming out in the future, I can say, oh, remind me when this movie comes out and where I'll be able to watch it.
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| [1876.70 --> 1884.76] What's really interesting, though, is that at the moment it feels promising, yet simultaneously not finished.
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| [1884.94 --> 1885.02] Yeah.
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| [1885.02 --> 1894.22] I like being able to search for a movie, and in the results, I see what server it's available on immediately.
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| [1894.40 --> 1895.22] That's really nice.
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| [1895.46 --> 1898.26] It was more of a manual process to find out if you had a movie or not.
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| [1898.34 --> 1899.32] With the quality there.
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| [1899.40 --> 1904.80] So if I search for a movie, it says HD 1080p on my server, and yours it might say 4K, for example.
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| [1904.86 --> 1906.32] I'll be like, oh, I'll go and watch it on Chris's.
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| [1906.34 --> 1906.46] Right.
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| [1906.60 --> 1909.94] And funny enough, that worked really well.
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| [1910.12 --> 1910.36] It did.
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| [1910.36 --> 1911.14] That fires right up.
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| [1911.20 --> 1912.36] It's all inside the Plex app.
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| [1912.44 --> 1913.76] That's the experience you want.
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| [1913.92 --> 1914.14] Mm-hmm.
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| [1914.14 --> 1921.86] It's just when you go off to the other streaming apps, that it's nice to know what services a piece of content is on, and if you can buy or rent it.
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| [1922.18 --> 1924.56] Because I have been in a situation where the family wanted to watch a movie.
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| [1925.00 --> 1926.36] We didn't own that movie.
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| [1926.48 --> 1927.60] We didn't have that one online.
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| [1928.30 --> 1934.58] And so I ended up doing that thing where I found some website that lets you search across multiple streaming services, and then I fired that app up.
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| [1934.70 --> 1936.54] And then, you know, so it fixes that process.
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| [1936.70 --> 1936.88] Right.
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| [1936.88 --> 1940.32] There's always three different versions of those sites, and you're never quite sure, are they actually up to date?
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| [1940.32 --> 1940.94] Are they up to date?
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| [1941.06 --> 1941.96] Yeah, that's true.
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| [1942.48 --> 1943.18] So they fixed that.
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| [1943.34 --> 1946.52] And, you know, I mean, we've talked about this before on the show.
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| [1946.62 --> 1948.30] It's like, what else are they going to do, guys?
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| [1948.62 --> 1954.24] They can't be like, hey, if you've got a really big pirated collection, like, we're the best app to play your pirated collection.
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| [1954.32 --> 1955.46] Like, they can't go that route, right?
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| [1955.48 --> 1960.42] So they've got to find some legitimate way to do this that isn't going to get them crushed by the copyright lobbyists.
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| [1960.42 --> 1977.54] It's been obvious for a while, just as a user of Plex, that the core app, certainly as I see it, certainly what it started out as, as a home media streaming solution that is probably synonymous with pirated content, if we're being honest.
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| [1978.82 --> 1980.72] That is not their core business now.
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| [1981.16 --> 1988.52] And the app itself and the performance and the bugs and, you know, just the feature set that we're getting is proof of that.
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| [1988.52 --> 1995.18] And this, this finally is, in my opinion, Plex tipping their hand and saying, this is the future of Plex.
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| [1995.56 --> 2001.24] And so for me, I think Jellyfin is becoming more important than ever right now.
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| [2001.36 --> 2002.66] Yeah, I agree.
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| [2002.76 --> 2010.52] In fact, that's why I've been kind of watching the new Jellyfin releases and a new beta 10.8.0 just shipped a few days ago.
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| [2011.08 --> 2012.22] There's some nice stuff in here.
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| [2012.28 --> 2015.32] A lot of transcode fixes, some DLNA fixes are in here.
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| [2015.32 --> 2020.56] It feels like they're entering that real sweet spot where they're focused on this kind of stuff.
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| [2021.36 --> 2024.66] You know, that's a lot of how these things work in tech.
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| [2025.76 --> 2029.02] They, you know, when they get big enough, they have to become some legitimate business.
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| [2029.30 --> 2030.66] Like Harvey Dent, right?
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| [2030.72 --> 2032.70] If you live long enough, you see yourself become the villain.
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| [2032.92 --> 2033.72] Yeah, possibly.
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| [2034.28 --> 2037.54] But I mean, with Jellyfin, right, we have a viable alternative.
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| [2037.68 --> 2043.60] The only real major criticism I have is that it's in a language that I don't personally know how to contribute to.
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| [2043.60 --> 2045.18] It's based off of the MB history.
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| [2045.58 --> 2048.44] So there's a lot of, you know, Windows.net style.
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| [2048.82 --> 2050.68] I think it's, or it's maybe C Sharp.
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| [2050.84 --> 2051.36] I can't remember.
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| [2051.66 --> 2051.84] Yes.
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| [2051.98 --> 2052.80] Yeah, C Sharp, Bono.
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| [2053.22 --> 2054.14] I feel the same way.
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| [2054.18 --> 2055.14] It's sort of, it's a foreign thing.
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| [2055.20 --> 2056.88] I'd love to be able to help, but it's not my villain.
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| [2057.08 --> 2058.62] Yeah, if it was Python, I would be in there.
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| [2058.76 --> 2058.92] Yeah.
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| [2061.20 --> 2061.56] Yeah.
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| [2061.76 --> 2064.96] Dangus wrote in with some Plex-free music self-hosting tips.
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| [2065.06 --> 2065.88] He says, hey guys, love the show.
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| [2065.94 --> 2069.98] I wanted to mention a few apps for those outside the Plex ecosystem or maybe planning to migrate.
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| [2069.98 --> 2075.60] I've been an avid Jellyfin user for a few years now, and I've been getting into my music and hosting it as well.
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| [2076.18 --> 2080.84] Namely, Sonic XD for the desktop and Symphomium, I think.
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| [2081.22 --> 2082.08] Symphomium for Android.
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| [2082.22 --> 2086.06] Both of these are fantastic audio players that connect to both Jellyfin and Subsonic.
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| [2087.08 --> 2092.10] And Plex Amp, while it looks fantastic, it's a bit of an investment if you're not already in the Plex ecosystem.
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| [2092.64 --> 2093.60] So you wanted to pass these along.
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| [2093.60 --> 2102.52] So it looks like Symphomium, Symphomium, S-Y-M-F-O-N-I-U-M, and Sonic XD, S-O-N-I-X-D for the desktop.
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| [2102.86 --> 2106.34] I can give you some real-time feedback on my Plex Amp experiment if you'd like.
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| [2106.36 --> 2106.66] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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| [2106.92 --> 2107.22] Let's do it.
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| [2107.24 --> 2114.50] Both the wife and I quit Spotify a couple of months ago, and up until about a week ago, it's been going really, really well,
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| [2114.68 --> 2119.86] until I actually had a conversation with my wife and said, how are you finding Plex Amp?
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| [2119.86 --> 2124.16] And she goes, well, it's missing this, and now you mention it, it's missing that.
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| [2124.40 --> 2126.00] And I don't, can we download this?
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| [2126.12 --> 2132.30] And I'm like, I've just, I looked at my server, and I've got like five or six terabytes of music now,
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| [2132.50 --> 2134.76] and I'm still missing a bunch of stuff.
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| [2135.08 --> 2138.86] And LiDAR, you know, we talked about the Deezer script a while ago.
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| [2139.42 --> 2141.36] Just can't cope with that kind of volume.
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| [2141.48 --> 2144.96] It's just spinning its wheels and just gets lost in it.
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| [2144.96 --> 2149.36] So I am really enjoying Plex Amp on my side.
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| [2149.46 --> 2154.96] I've got pretty much all the music I regularly listen to, but we have resubscribed to Spotify.
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| [2155.78 --> 2157.18] I was tempted recently.
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| [2157.60 --> 2163.00] I was tempted because it's really nice to have Spotify on the studio equipment, and on Linux, it's nice to have Spotify sometimes.
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| [2163.06 --> 2163.94] But I haven't yet folded.
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| [2164.42 --> 2167.74] I have remained cancelled Spotify free.
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| [2168.14 --> 2170.02] I'm using YouTube music over here.
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| [2170.10 --> 2170.70] I'm a weirdo.
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| [2170.98 --> 2171.42] How is that?
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| [2171.60 --> 2172.08] How's that going?
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| [2172.68 --> 2173.12] It's okay.
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| [2173.22 --> 2179.60] I used to use the Google Play music back when that still existed, partially because I could upload a bunch of my own black files to it.
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| [2179.66 --> 2180.58] And so I still have those.
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| [2181.16 --> 2182.00] And I don't know.
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| [2182.04 --> 2182.98] I like having a subscription.
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| [2183.34 --> 2186.10] It's very convenient for discovery for just random stuff I don't care about.
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| [2186.66 --> 2191.44] But because I can no longer upload to it, I do find I'm more interested in some of these, you know, Plex Amp.
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| [2191.76 --> 2192.52] I'm going to check out some of them here.
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| [2192.52 --> 2193.86] Doesn't Apple Music let you do that?
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| [2194.02 --> 2195.02] Let you upload your own?
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| [2195.32 --> 2196.66] Yeah, we should get Wes on an iPhone.
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| [2196.66 --> 2197.02] Yeah.
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| [2198.20 --> 2199.86] I've been trying that for three years.
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| [2200.52 --> 2201.28] When you got me.
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| [2201.50 --> 2201.90] Yeah.
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| [2202.08 --> 2202.64] That one won.
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| [2202.82 --> 2204.68] Yeah, well, I got you to have a kid first.
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| [2204.78 --> 2206.18] I took the long play on that one.
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| [2206.26 --> 2207.58] First, I convinced you guys to have a kid.
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| [2207.96 --> 2210.84] So then you would be felt motivated to get good camera optics.
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| [2211.90 --> 2216.36] Hey, I tell you what, there was an example of streaming service entropy this week.
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| [2217.66 --> 2223.56] Snoop Dogg has decided to take a couple of his most famous albums, one of which is called Doggy Style.
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| [2224.82 --> 2227.12] And I listened to that album a surprising amount, actually.
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| [2227.52 --> 2230.06] And I went on Spotify the other day and it's gone.
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| [2230.74 --> 2231.22] Do you know why?
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| [2232.02 --> 2233.20] He's trying to sell it as an NFT.
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| [2236.02 --> 2237.46] So I fired up Plex Amp.
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| [2237.60 --> 2237.90] Boom.
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| [2238.00 --> 2238.58] Straight away.
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| [2238.78 --> 2242.46] You know, so I have Doggy Style in Plex Amp.
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| [2242.94 --> 2245.14] And all that money you saved on your Spotify subscription.
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| [2245.40 --> 2246.42] You know, now you can buy the NFT.
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| [2246.42 --> 2247.26] Now I can buy the NFT.
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| [2247.26 --> 2250.50] I don't know, man.
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| [2250.52 --> 2251.22] I'm sitting here.
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| [2251.30 --> 2252.16] It's a little bittersweet.
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| [2252.40 --> 2254.06] I don't really want to talk about this next story.
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| [2254.26 --> 2256.34] But for some people out there, maybe they care.
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| [2256.50 --> 2258.06] New version of Home Assistant came out.
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| [2258.20 --> 2259.10] But it doesn't matter.
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| [2259.18 --> 2260.52] I'm not upgrading because I can't.
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| [2260.60 --> 2261.24] But come on.
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| [2261.28 --> 2263.08] It's packed with amazing features.
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| [2263.08 --> 2264.46] I knew they would do this to me.
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| [2264.56 --> 2267.24] I knew the version, because this is where they dropped my Z-Wave.
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| [2267.54 --> 2268.72] And I knew they would do this.
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| [2268.78 --> 2269.94] Tons of new stuff that I want.
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| [2270.28 --> 2271.26] But it is really good.
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| [2271.50 --> 2271.94] Yeah, it is.
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| [2272.04 --> 2273.66] There's a few things that stand out to me.
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| [2273.88 --> 2275.66] The one, there's a couple.
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| [2275.86 --> 2278.50] Let's start off with the group stuff.
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| [2278.50 --> 2281.74] So now you can create groups in the user interface directly.
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| [2282.22 --> 2286.02] Previously, you would have to drop to the YAML configuration to do that.
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| [2286.74 --> 2287.84] It's a nice little change.
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| [2288.18 --> 2291.36] Along with a new hide entities function.
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| [2291.52 --> 2292.34] Yes, finally.
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| [2292.68 --> 2297.20] Which lets you hide the constituent lights, say, of a particular group.
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| [2297.86 --> 2298.80] That's really nice.
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| [2298.88 --> 2299.26] That is.
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| [2299.34 --> 2300.12] I want that already.
|
| [2300.74 --> 2304.62] Now, another one that got me pretty excited was switch as X.
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| [2304.62 --> 2310.64] So in my Home Assistant YAML right now, I have a bunch of, I don't know what you call them,
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| [2310.68 --> 2314.78] but they basically convert a switch into a light or a cover.
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| [2315.14 --> 2315.16] Right.
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| [2315.26 --> 2318.10] Or in my case, a smart plug into a heater or something like that.
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| [2318.10 --> 2318.18] Exactly.
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| [2318.36 --> 2318.76] Right.
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| [2319.00 --> 2319.18] Yep.
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| [2319.32 --> 2326.20] And switch as X now lets me set directly in the configuration of that smart plug.
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| [2326.44 --> 2329.36] I can now show that as a light.
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| [2329.66 --> 2329.98] Mm-hmm.
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| [2330.46 --> 2333.00] Zones, the entire zone can now have a state.
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| [2333.00 --> 2334.68] That's really nice to see.
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| [2334.86 --> 2337.16] So, like, my kitchen is a zone.
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| [2337.38 --> 2338.26] My living room is a zone.
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| [2338.34 --> 2339.06] My bedroom is a zone.
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| [2340.26 --> 2346.56] And they've done optimizing on both the front end and the back end side of Home Assistant as well.
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| [2346.90 --> 2348.02] So, and I love that.
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| [2348.08 --> 2350.00] Of course, I'm not going to get that version.
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| [2350.48 --> 2352.50] And now it's no longer called Lovelace either.
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| [2352.58 --> 2353.90] It's just called the dashboard now, too.
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| [2353.90 --> 2356.88] That is a shame, because obviously it was a tip of the hat to Ada Lovelace.
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| [2357.18 --> 2360.48] One of the fathers of, well, can you call her a father of computing?
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| [2360.48 --> 2360.74] A mother?
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| [2360.96 --> 2361.72] A mother of computing?
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| [2361.76 --> 2362.74] A mother of computing, I suppose.
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| [2362.74 --> 2363.24] The perennials?
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| [2363.36 --> 2364.50] We have a word for that, don't we?
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| [2366.04 --> 2368.44] There was another feature in there that caught my fancy.
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| [2368.68 --> 2371.22] And this is particularly useful when writing automations.
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| [2371.72 --> 2377.08] There's a little test button up in the top of the automations thing, which lets you...
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| [2377.08 --> 2378.82] Test the conditions to make sure they're right.
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| [2379.20 --> 2379.52] Yeah.
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| [2380.06 --> 2380.90] It's a nice little one.
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| [2382.04 --> 2382.68] Damn it.
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| [2383.58 --> 2384.66] This really sucks.
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| [2384.84 --> 2386.36] I want this version so bad.
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| [2386.44 --> 2388.86] So, if this isn't enough, what is enough to make you upgrade?
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| [2389.72 --> 2390.08] Time.
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| [2390.08 --> 2390.68] Yeah.
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| [2390.68 --> 2392.70] It's a matter of having to redo my entire Z-Wave.
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| [2393.04 --> 2397.80] And, you know, all of my, I mean, my heater stuff, all my heating stuff, all my temperature
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| [2397.80 --> 2404.16] sensors, my outdoor sensors, my motion sensors, they're all my UV sensors, my humidity sensors,
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| [2404.34 --> 2405.08] they're all Z-Wave.
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| [2405.16 --> 2406.78] You're just putting off the inevitable, though.
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| [2406.78 --> 2407.14] I know.
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| [2407.30 --> 2408.38] You're going to have to do it.
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| [2408.38 --> 2412.62] Have you considered learning Python and starting to maintain the old version yourself?
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| [2413.34 --> 2418.02] Well, I'm doing just about as much work because first I got to learn Nix OS upside and down.
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| [2418.12 --> 2419.56] And then I got to figure out how to deploy everything.
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| [2419.64 --> 2421.24] I was deploying in a container in Nix OS.
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| [2421.66 --> 2426.10] And I got to learn how to move everything over to MQTT and do Z-Wave to MQTT.
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| [2426.42 --> 2428.80] And then I'm going to have to figure out Node-Red if I go that route.
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| [2428.90 --> 2432.10] So I might as well just learn Python and probably save myself some time.
|
| [2432.82 --> 2435.90] They've really done this at their worst time, too, because here we are traveling and all this stuff.
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| [2435.90 --> 2438.26] And I'm just learning an entire new way I want to build my system.
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| [2438.40 --> 2442.22] So now I don't want to do it the old way and then be like, this is old and busted.
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| [2442.84 --> 2443.72] It's just the worst.
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| [2444.18 --> 2446.44] I can't believe they didn't call me first and ask me.
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| [2447.66 --> 2452.64] Just to reiterate, the reason Chris is all butthurt is because they're deprecating a Python 2-based
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| [2452.64 --> 2456.70] integration, which has been coming for how many years?
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| [2456.72 --> 2457.64] Two years, maybe?
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| [2457.68 --> 2458.10] I don't know.
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| [2459.18 --> 2461.38] I just don't sympathize with you on this one.
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| [2461.52 --> 2461.98] I don't.
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| [2462.04 --> 2462.38] Yeah.
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| [2462.58 --> 2463.64] I know it's a pain in the butt.
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| [2463.64 --> 2466.02] Okay, can I plead my case set differently?
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| [2466.22 --> 2467.18] I'll take a new approach.
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| [2467.32 --> 2467.64] We can try.
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| [2467.74 --> 2471.48] If they'd only gotten that damn migration wizard to work properly, I could have migrated to
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| [2471.48 --> 2473.58] the supported stuff, but the migration wizard didn't work.
|
| [2473.66 --> 2474.94] So now I'm still a victim, right?
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| [2476.26 --> 2476.96] A victim.
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| [2478.32 --> 2479.22] No, it's fine.
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| [2479.32 --> 2480.60] I'll hang tight for a bit.
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| [2480.78 --> 2482.92] And then probably by summertime, I'll get caught up.
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| [2483.42 --> 2486.26] I'll still keep the Home Assistant install at the studio.
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| [2487.14 --> 2488.18] I'll keep that up to date.
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| [2488.32 --> 2489.84] You're like a Will Smith level victim.
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| [2490.42 --> 2490.62] Yeah.
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| [2491.16 --> 2491.52] Right.
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| [2491.64 --> 2491.84] Yeah.
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| [2491.84 --> 2492.76] Yep.
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| [2492.96 --> 2493.54] That's true.
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| [2495.94 --> 2497.74] Tailscale.com slash self-hosted.
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| [2497.82 --> 2500.34] Go there to get a free account for up to 20 devices.
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| [2500.84 --> 2502.08] And of course, you support the show.
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| [2502.64 --> 2504.56] Tailscale is a zero config VPN.
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| [2504.78 --> 2506.94] It installs on any device in minutes.
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| [2507.04 --> 2510.90] You can manage firewall rules for you or for, I don't know, maybe Wes over there.
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| [2511.16 --> 2513.84] And it's just a great way to work from just about anywhere.
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| [2513.94 --> 2515.82] So of course, as you know, right now we're on the road.
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| [2515.82 --> 2520.46] And as you can imagine, Tailscale is saving the day.
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| [2540.04 --> 2543.78] I've even got it on my iPad so I can pull up the feedback, and I can read through all
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| [2546.48 --> 2551.28] And even in situations where I've got carrier-grade NAT, I'm behind a firewall, I'm on like some
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| [2551.28 --> 2555.72] limited guest Wi-Fi that Alex has set up, it still works.
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| [2555.86 --> 2557.26] Tailscale just works.
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| [2557.58 --> 2559.78] It's how I'm also keeping connected to my kids' computers.
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|
| [2634.72 --> 2639.64] I'm still finding it weird that I'm in the same room as you two gentlemen.
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| [2639.84 --> 2641.04] This is nice.
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| [2641.12 --> 2642.00] I could get used to this.
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| [2642.20 --> 2646.80] We need to get like six more sponsors on every episode, and we just do every episode like
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| [2646.80 --> 2647.10] this.
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| [2647.28 --> 2647.54] Yeah.
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| [2647.98 --> 2648.82] We just pay for the flights.
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| [2648.96 --> 2650.22] Turn it into an LTT video.
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| [2650.40 --> 2654.14] Probably need a time machine too, to make that five-hour flight each way work.
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| [2654.28 --> 2656.80] Well, think about the automations we could do in the JB Private Jet.
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| [2657.06 --> 2657.42] Right.
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| [2657.60 --> 2658.46] Oh, that's where we go.
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| [2658.68 --> 2659.24] We need a jet.
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| [2659.32 --> 2659.88] We need one.
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| [2660.32 --> 2661.98] We keep flying west.
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| [2662.04 --> 2664.20] If we always fly west, then it will be fine.
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| [2664.26 --> 2665.16] We can make that work, right?
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| [2665.16 --> 2665.42] Oh, yeah.
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| [2665.50 --> 2666.90] I think because it's a globe, that's how it works.
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| [2667.12 --> 2667.34] Yeah.
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| [2667.34 --> 2668.34] Or is it east?
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| [2668.60 --> 2668.96] I don't know.
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| [2669.14 --> 2671.28] I mean, you just go one direction long enough.
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| [2671.30 --> 2671.78] It doesn't matter.
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| [2672.72 --> 2673.02] True.
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| [2674.06 --> 2675.82] So we have some feedback from Josh today.
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| [2676.16 --> 2677.32] Hi, Chris and Alex.
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| [2677.32 --> 2678.58] Thank you for the podcast.
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| [2678.76 --> 2683.14] I've recently been starting out in the world of self-hosting, and I've listened to every episode.
|
| [2683.60 --> 2686.64] I am fortunate enough to be able to keep something small at my dad's house.
|
| [2686.64 --> 2693.12] Now, given the chat on a previous episode, I've been looking towards an SBC, single board computer, based NAS.
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| [2693.92 --> 2698.56] Hopefully, this will consume very little power and should be able to cope with semi-regular incremental backups.
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| [2698.96 --> 2702.36] I'm thinking about something maybe in the weekly backup range.
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| [2703.30 --> 2711.02] There seems to be mixed advice about this online, including a lot of feedback suggesting that using an SBC is flawed as these disks will be hanging off the USB bus.
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| [2711.02 --> 2714.06] Do you feel this is something to be concerned about?
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| [2714.64 --> 2719.48] Or is this an acceptable compromise to reach the low power and small form factor solution I'm looking for?
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| [2719.48 --> 2722.78] I'm hearing low power a couple of times in here.
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| [2723.10 --> 2726.54] So it sounds like that is a primary concern for Josh here.
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| [2726.94 --> 2729.54] And so you probably are going down the right path, Josh.
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| [2729.58 --> 2734.58] But I wonder, have you considered the magnificent world of the Compute Module 4?
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| [2734.96 --> 2738.84] Because there are carrier boards where you can get PCI slots.
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| [2739.30 --> 2740.56] You can get a SATA.
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| [2740.56 --> 2745.94] You can have an EMMC, which is much superior to an SD card for a boot drive.
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| [2746.60 --> 2757.48] And so, you know, if I were going to build a NAS today based around some sort of SBC, it would take a really, really, really strong argument for me to consider anything else but the CM4.
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| [2757.92 --> 2763.78] Simply because nothing else has the network effect, the community effect, the software support.
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| [2764.08 --> 2768.34] And when you're building something that you want to run solid and run for a while, that matters.
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| [2768.34 --> 2773.42] You know, there may be faster SBCs out there, ones that already have PCI slots, for example.
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| [2774.40 --> 2781.30] But the CM4, the Compute Module 4, combined with a carrier board that can accommodate you, in my experience, is such a solid setup.
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| [2781.40 --> 2782.76] It's really hard to argue against that.
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| [2783.02 --> 2783.62] What do you think, Alex?
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| [2784.64 --> 2786.66] It's just a backup, right?
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| [2786.74 --> 2787.32] Yeah, true.
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| [2787.54 --> 2792.68] If you have something hanging off the USB bus and it fails, it shouldn't matter.
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| [2792.90 --> 2793.74] It is your backup.
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| [2793.74 --> 2804.92] As long as you have monitoring in place to let you know that something's gone south, you know, the backup is the perfect place to experiment and do something that's slightly more risky.
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| [2805.86 --> 2810.12] So long as maybe, I don't know, like maybe have two.
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| [2812.04 --> 2813.38] You know, three, two, one.
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| [2813.38 --> 2816.32] Yeah, and the prices, you probably could, too, right?
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| [2816.36 --> 2818.10] I mean, the most expensive thing here is going to be the storage.
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| [2818.80 --> 2820.18] That's going to be the most expensive thing.
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| [2820.66 --> 2822.06] So let us know what you do, Josh.
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| [2822.14 --> 2824.84] Because, you know, sometimes we get these questions, but we don't always get the follow-ups.
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| [2824.98 --> 2826.42] So we'd love to know.
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| [2826.98 --> 2828.02] Kevin writes in,
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| [2828.02 --> 2830.58] I have five or so VPS servers on Linode.
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| [2831.24 --> 2835.58] I have one domain name at my DNS provider with subdomains pointing to each server.
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| [2835.86 --> 2837.32] It's great for SSH access.
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| [2837.78 --> 2839.94] I want to run a web server from each one of them.
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| [2840.30 --> 2846.46] I've obtained a wildcard TLS certificate from Let's Encrypt on the first server using Lego.
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| [2846.94 --> 2850.80] I've confirmed the wildcard cert works on the first server where Lego is installed.
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| [2851.20 --> 2855.14] It serves a new page with HTTPS on the subdomain with that cert.
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| [2855.14 --> 2859.78] I then set a cron job to run Lego and renew that cert monthly.
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| [2860.62 --> 2867.82] What is the safest way, though, to propagate that wildcard cert from one server to all four other servers automatically each month?
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| [2868.04 --> 2869.10] I've got WireGuard.
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| [2869.22 --> 2870.04] I've got SSH.
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| [2870.74 --> 2871.60] Just not keys.
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| [2871.70 --> 2874.00] I've got Ansible Vault I could potentially use.
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| [2875.28 --> 2878.72] I've thought about doing these with cron jobs that copy these over SSH.
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| [2878.78 --> 2880.94] But how do I automate communicating between the servers?
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| [2880.94 --> 2886.92] How do I protect the SSH keys, the SSH certificate, and other connection credentials and move all of this around?
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| [2888.14 --> 2891.76] This feels like one of those where there's like a thousand ways you could solve this problem.
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| [2892.68 --> 2900.26] You could do it the proper way, the established way, and move the certificates around between the servers.
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| [2900.70 --> 2903.34] But we were talking about this as a group before we recorded.
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| [2903.92 --> 2906.08] And Wes, you came up with an interesting idea.
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| [2906.08 --> 2916.00] Yeah, it's kind of sounding like maybe the handling of the secrets, distributing that to multiple machines, that workflow hasn't really been worked out yet in this case.
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| [2916.88 --> 2918.54] That's a fine thing to experiment with.
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| [2918.64 --> 2927.78] But if that's not an essential, you know, if that's just going to be an implementation detail to the actual point of getting this done, you don't need to be the one handling that part of it.
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| [2927.78 --> 2929.76] What about just something like S3?
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| [2930.00 --> 2932.02] You know, I mean, you can secure that.
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| [2932.12 --> 2935.94] You can also set time-expiring links, if that was the kind of thing you were worried about.
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| [2936.36 --> 2938.02] And you don't have to host it.
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| [2938.50 --> 2939.18] Exactly right.
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| [2939.30 --> 2943.98] Yeah, I mean, you can do, like you say, authentication on an S3 request.
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| [2945.08 --> 2948.60] It's easily accessible over the internet, safely, securely.
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| [2948.76 --> 2950.14] People do it all the time.
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| [2950.14 --> 2956.66] I'm sure you've all seen the web URL of an S3 item in your URL bar at some point.
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| [2957.72 --> 2962.34] You know, it's a chicken and egg problem with SSH that you come across all the time, right?
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| [2962.36 --> 2966.96] I want to automate this thing, but I need my SSH key over there already before I do the thing.
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| [2967.52 --> 2967.96] Yep.
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| [2968.90 --> 2969.30] Yep.
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| [2969.88 --> 2970.08] That's true.
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| [2970.10 --> 2973.14] SS3 solves that particular problem, or any kind of object storage, really.
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| [2974.02 --> 2978.44] But the reason I think that we talked about S3 in particular is that it's authenticated.
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| [2978.44 --> 2986.14] And if you're putting a secret up there, like a certificate, you need to have some kind of authentication in front of it.
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| [2986.50 --> 2989.94] And you could just use object storage at Linode already, because that's S3 compatible.
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| [2990.42 --> 2990.90] Good to go.
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| [2991.24 --> 2992.76] So nobody's going to suggest sync thing.
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| [2992.86 --> 2994.18] Okay, so don't use sync thing, man.
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| [2994.20 --> 2994.98] We did mention it.
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| [2995.10 --> 2995.86] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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| [2996.22 --> 2997.44] I don't know, like it's...
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| [2998.18 --> 3001.56] How secure is it with third-party bounce servers and stuff like that?
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| [3001.80 --> 3003.06] It's probably fine.
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| [3003.26 --> 3005.44] Yeah, it just doesn't seem like the right tool, does it?
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| [3005.44 --> 3008.48] I mean, it seems like you could do it, but it doesn't seem like the right way to do it.
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| [3008.56 --> 3010.08] Go old school and use BitTorrent.
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| [3010.22 --> 3011.02] Yeah, there you go.
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| [3011.06 --> 3012.56] Or BitTorrent Sync, you could do that.
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| [3012.62 --> 3013.64] I think you mean Resilio.
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| [3014.06 --> 3014.90] Resilio Sync, yeah.
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| [3015.70 --> 3021.12] I mean, the thing is, with the S3 solution, it would work in much a similar way as sync thing, right?
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| [3021.12 --> 3028.12] I guess with sync thing, you could, and this is just solutionizing off the top of my head, which I hate doing, but anyway.
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| [3028.74 --> 3042.08] You could encrypt the secret on whatever box is running Lego, and then sync the encrypted thing with sync thing, and then have the logic to decrypt it at the remote site that way.
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| [3042.16 --> 3044.58] And that would be kind of secure as it's going over the wire, but...
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| [3044.58 --> 3046.04] I bet you that's how I would do it.
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| [3046.22 --> 3048.68] If I were to solve this problem, that's probably what I would do.
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| [3048.68 --> 3049.40] But here's the downside.
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| [3049.66 --> 3053.30] On each of those other four remote systems, you still need the decryption password.
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| [3053.40 --> 3053.58] Yeah.
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| [3053.92 --> 3055.38] Probably stored in plain text.
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| [3055.72 --> 3056.52] Probably on disk.
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| [3056.70 --> 3057.08] So...
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| [3057.08 --> 3057.40] Yeah.
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| [3057.40 --> 3062.44] Are you in any better solution than just doing it with a sync thing naked?
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| [3062.66 --> 3063.10] I don't know.
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| [3063.48 --> 3063.84] Probably not.
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| [3064.16 --> 3065.68] But if anybody has an idea, let us know.
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| [3065.84 --> 3067.30] Selfhosted.show slash contact.
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| [3078.24 --> 3078.84] That's what he said.
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| [3080.92 --> 3083.92] If you want to give us a boost, it's like the bat line into the show.
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| [3092.04 --> 3096.34] I want to say a big thank you to our SRE, Site Reliability Engineer subscribers.
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| [3109.48 --> 3111.66] I wonder, you know, I wonder if we'll have some extras.
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| [3112.04 --> 3113.66] We should probably plug the extras just in case.
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| [3116.36 --> 3117.20] Selfhosted.show.
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| [3117.80 --> 3119.30] Wes, thanks for hanging out with us.
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| [3119.44 --> 3120.26] Thanks for having me.
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| [3120.36 --> 3122.72] We really didn't give him a chance to stretch his wings.
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| [3123.20 --> 3127.00] You know, we could get into some topic down the road that Wes could probably really dig
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| [3127.00 --> 3127.28] into.
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| [3127.92 --> 3128.72] We should think about that.
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| [3129.20 --> 3131.70] So Wes, you're just going to have to come back so that way we can do it again.
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| [3132.16 --> 3133.46] Oh, I think we can come up with something.
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| [3133.80 --> 3135.02] I think we can indeed.
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| [3135.38 --> 3136.92] Go find our contact page.
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| [3136.92 --> 3137.66] Send us in your thoughts.
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| [3137.78 --> 3138.36] Let us know what you think.
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| [3138.42 --> 3140.48] Maybe you got a solution for one of the things we talked about today.
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| [3140.96 --> 3143.66] Selfhosted.show slash contact is the place to get in touch.
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| [3143.66 --> 3145.00] You can find me on Twitter.
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| [3145.10 --> 3146.02] I'm at ChrisLAS.
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| [3146.18 --> 3147.94] I thought we weren't doing the Twitter thing anymore.
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| [3148.02 --> 3148.92] I decided to do it this week.
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| [3149.00 --> 3149.30] Okay.
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| [3149.46 --> 3149.70] Okay.
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| [3149.80 --> 3151.34] It's because Elon's on board now, is it?
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| [3151.52 --> 3151.78] Yeah.
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| [3151.78 --> 3152.04] Okay.
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| [3153.12 --> 3155.32] I'm on Twitter also at Ironic Badger.
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| [3155.46 --> 3158.48] I'm also, and this is something that a listener wrote in and let me know about.
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| [3158.58 --> 3160.06] We need to plug the Discord more heavily.
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| [3160.28 --> 3160.60] Oh, yeah.
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| [3160.70 --> 3160.88] Okay.
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| [3160.88 --> 3162.96] Uh, apparently we don't say enough about it.
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| [3163.08 --> 3163.58] We got a Discord.
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| [3163.80 --> 3164.14] Here we go.
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| [3164.20 --> 3164.76] We have a Discord.
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| [3165.10 --> 3166.66] Selfhosted.show slash Discord.
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| [3166.92 --> 3168.60] I'm over there at AlexKTZ.
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| [3168.80 --> 3169.14] Mm-hmm.
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| [3169.24 --> 3169.54] Mm-hmm.
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| [3169.94 --> 3171.58] Are you on the Twitters or anything you want to plug, Wes?
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| [3171.80 --> 3173.44] Uh, I am at Wes Payne.
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| [3173.52 --> 3176.74] And hey, maybe check out that podcast you and I do, Linux Action News.
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| [3177.12 --> 3177.94] Hey, hey, hey.
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| [3178.18 --> 3179.76] Also, there's a self-hosted matrix.
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| [3179.98 --> 3182.32] Our matrix server is colony.jupiterbroadcasting.com.
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| [3182.78 --> 3185.02] If you want to get in some trouble over there, we'd love to have you.
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| [3185.30 --> 3186.22] And get in there.
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| [3186.26 --> 3190.94] And there is, I think, a growing two self-hosted room community over there.
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| [3191.06 --> 3191.54] There's two of them.
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| [3191.94 --> 3197.78] Isn't it ironic that the self-hosted podcast has a Discord server and LUP and JB as a whole
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| [3197.78 --> 3199.34] have the matrix server and I'm just not.
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| [3199.40 --> 3201.58] Well, we kind of have, it came first.
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| [3201.66 --> 3202.90] The Discord server, I think, came first.
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| [3202.90 --> 3206.58] All these problems that you talked about in last week's LUP about hosting a chat server
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| [3206.58 --> 3208.86] are exactly why I didn't want to do it.
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| [3208.96 --> 3212.04] We should mention, if you want to hear some horror stories about self-hosting matrix,
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| [3212.32 --> 3214.48] we just did that in Linux Unplugged, the most recent episode,
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| [3214.48 --> 3217.38] which I should probably have the number for since we're talking about it.
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| [3217.58 --> 3221.16] But, you know, let's just say when, you know, if you're, I just want to, I'll just say this part.
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| [3221.24 --> 3225.24] If you're doing it for five or ten people, maybe even a hundred people, it's fine.
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| [3225.30 --> 3226.00] Don't worry about it.
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| [3226.36 --> 3229.20] If you want to do for more than a hundred people or maybe two thousand people,
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| [3229.34 --> 3232.00] there's some things that go, they go a little wrong.
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| [3232.10 --> 3233.72] They go a little sideways with the default config.
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| [3233.84 --> 3237.14] And we cover that at linuxunplugged.com slash 452.
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| [3238.58 --> 3243.98] And if you have any other questions about, oh, which episode did Chris talk about this particular
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| [3243.98 --> 3249.48] thing in Coda Radio, we have a show notes website over at notes.jupiterbroadcasting.com.
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| [3249.98 --> 3253.36] All the episodes are in there and that's actually a fully self-hosted website.
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| [3254.32 --> 3255.94] Now, as always, thanks for listening, everybody.
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| [3256.12 --> 3258.50] That was self-hosted.show slash 68.
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