62： Succumbing to the Ecosystem _transcript.txt

[0.00 --> 7.36]  2022. It's here with a bang. We've dragged in our favorite Canadian out of the cold. Welcome back, Brent.
[8.18 --> 9.48]  Hello, everyone.
[9.72 --> 12.30]  And Chris, as always, how are you doing? Happy New Year, sir.
[13.02 --> 17.90]  Hey, you know what? I want to say thank you to the team that stepped in for the holiday 3D printing episode.
[18.02 --> 21.24]  That was a lot of fun. And now it feels like I haven't done this forever.
[21.84 --> 24.88]  Yeah, who are you again? What is this thing in front of my face?
[25.52 --> 29.64]  Well, I thought maybe if I brought Brent with me, I'd be accepted back.
[30.44 --> 33.44]  Maybe. We'll see. The jury is still out on that one.
[33.86 --> 35.02]  It always works with Alex.
[36.58 --> 38.72]  The quickest way to Alex's heart is through a Brent.
[40.02 --> 46.26]  It's true. Also, video games. You know, my favorite game of all time, I think, is probably Factorio.
[46.50 --> 52.66]  But I potentially have a new one, which is vying for a top spot at the moment.
[52.66 --> 55.26]  It's called Anno 1800. Have either of you played this game?
[55.96 --> 58.98]  This is the first I hear of it. Yeah, same. What kind of game is this?
[58.98 --> 63.32]  It's a city builder where you manage supply chains and that kind of thing.
[63.82 --> 65.56]  Oh, it sounds like it's up your alley.
[65.66 --> 70.32]  You're pretty much playing as the East India Trading Company, minus the slavery part.
[70.56 --> 71.30]  So that's kind of nice.
[72.28 --> 74.86]  But yeah, you just trade goods back and forth and build cities.
[74.86 --> 78.84]  And yeah, it's a fun, relaxing, single player game.
[79.24 --> 81.06]  When was this released and how did you hear of it?
[82.22 --> 84.74]  Ages ago. I don't know when it was released exactly.
[85.00 --> 91.74]  But I think I heard about it first when Linus of Tech Tip fame mentioned it on one of his videos.
[91.78 --> 93.04]  And I thought, oh, I'll go and check it out.
[93.12 --> 95.40]  And downloaded the demo and liked it. So I bought it.
[95.40 --> 98.86]  It's kind of great when you discover a game that's been out for a while.
[98.86 --> 101.24]  So that means it's got a couple of patches under its belt.
[101.56 --> 103.74]  You can find stuff online. There's a community.
[104.24 --> 105.20]  Sort of a sweet spot.
[105.76 --> 108.90]  You know, a game doesn't have to be cutting edge brand new for it to be enjoyable.
[109.76 --> 110.58]  Absolutely not.
[110.74 --> 113.02]  Speaking of stuff that's no longer cutting edge and brand new,
[113.46 --> 118.76]  I thought I'd just do a quick bit of follow up on the Linux Unplugged predictions episode.
[118.76 --> 123.62]  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make the recording of this year's predictions episode itself.
[123.90 --> 131.64]  But I thought I'd follow up on the prediction I made last year about 20 terabyte hard drives being available,
[131.82 --> 133.84]  I think, for 250 bucks at Best Buy.
[134.92 --> 135.76]  That didn't quite pan out.
[135.98 --> 137.74]  No, it didn't quite, did it? No.
[137.84 --> 141.76]  I mean, there was a few shenanigans going on that kind of scuppered my plans.
[142.62 --> 143.76]  First of all, supply chain.
[143.88 --> 146.88]  Obviously, we all know at this point what's going on with the supply chain.
[146.88 --> 148.16]  But second of all was Chia.
[148.16 --> 152.82]  We had a hard drive mining crypto coin come out of the woodwork.
[153.60 --> 157.56]  Yeah, there's just no way with all that was going on that was going to happen.
[157.94 --> 160.24]  You think maybe you got a better shot this year?
[160.88 --> 162.60]  No, but I'm just going to say it anyway.
[163.78 --> 167.88]  I mean, I was trying to, you know, with this Anno 1800 game,
[167.94 --> 171.32]  I've got a 1080 Ti graphics card, which I've had for several years now,
[171.86 --> 176.68]  which was actually incidentally paid for originally by Bitcoin mining four years ago.
[176.68 --> 180.06]  And now with this Anno 1800 game, I've been looking for a new GPU.
[180.28 --> 183.84]  And I was looking, you know, just to see what was out there.
[184.24 --> 190.76]  The cheapest 3080 that I could find was on Facebook Marketplace near me for $1,800.
[192.82 --> 194.34]  What is going on with that?
[194.34 --> 197.80]  Oh, ridiculous.
[198.32 --> 201.72]  Yeah, we've been building a new replacement server here.
[202.16 --> 208.12]  And the number one cost, because the audience has been so awesome by providing the main rigs,
[208.12 --> 211.28]  has been storage and just a limited amount of storage.
[211.32 --> 215.32]  So I had to buy a batch of two terabytes and a batch of four terabytes.
[215.32 --> 217.04]  I wanted all four terabytes, obviously.
[217.30 --> 221.52]  And I had to buy them all used, which I'm not super comfortable with.
[222.04 --> 224.56]  But it's going to be in a raid array.
[224.78 --> 227.30]  So hopefully if one or two pops, we'll be all right.
[227.44 --> 228.38]  But they're all used disks.
[228.58 --> 232.60]  And, you know, we paid a fair amount for them, even buying in the after, you know,
[233.30 --> 236.84]  whatever you call it, the lightly loved market, I assume, because they're enterprise drives.
[236.96 --> 239.00]  So I hope, I hope they'll last.
[239.52 --> 242.68]  I've just recently learned about this whole hard drive used market.
[242.68 --> 246.24]  Is this, Alex, you think something worth even considering?
[247.44 --> 249.06]  I mean, how cheap are we talking?
[249.64 --> 252.36]  A 14 terabyte, so here's my reference point.
[252.76 --> 256.36]  A 14 terabyte easy store that I can shuck from Best Buy.
[256.72 --> 261.74]  I think I picked one up before Christmas for about $190, $200, something like that.
[262.58 --> 265.32]  I think it's also, what is your risk tolerance?
[265.64 --> 271.42]  And do you have a setup that can tolerate one or two drives at least failing?
[271.42 --> 272.94]  Yeah, that makes sense.
[273.08 --> 275.44]  So the new server, do we keep that in mind?
[275.56 --> 275.74]  Yeah.
[275.90 --> 278.26]  Yeah, we can sustain a couple disks failing.
[278.42 --> 281.96]  I think in total, we're okay until three fail simultaneously.
[282.72 --> 289.46]  And I normally wouldn't think that's likely, except for these are probably all originally from the same manufacturing batch.
[289.92 --> 294.52]  They're all the same exact hard drive, the same exact model, all bought at the same exact time.
[294.52 --> 297.18]  I thought that was a rule not to do that.
[297.40 --> 301.58]  I'm pretty sure there's a rule against that, like the bathtub curve or something.
[301.82 --> 303.06]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[303.20 --> 305.34]  But beggars are definitely not choosers.
[305.64 --> 306.86]  And in this case, that's what we got.
[307.26 --> 313.00]  Have you considered calling your buddy Alex over here and shipping him a couple of hard drives,
[313.04 --> 317.80]  and then you could use some of his basement space as a off-site backup?
[318.04 --> 318.86]  Maybe we could do that.
[319.02 --> 320.02]  That'd be a fun project.
[320.02 --> 325.16]  Now, I know this is a lot of power, but what about a full server, potentially?
[325.62 --> 325.92]  Why?
[326.24 --> 328.92]  Well, because I think I might have one that I'm going to totally sync.
[330.40 --> 330.76]  Okay.
[331.76 --> 333.00]  I mean, you know.
[333.38 --> 335.74]  I think he has more servers than hard drive space.
[335.80 --> 337.20]  You're pretty off-site, you know.
[337.26 --> 340.44]  That's a good off-site backup, you know, in terms of off-site backups go.
[340.52 --> 341.44]  One in the east, one in the west.
[341.44 --> 345.50]  I mean, if a nuke hit DC, would it come out as far as Raleigh?
[345.92 --> 346.32]  Probably.
[347.04 --> 347.50]  I don't know.
[347.50 --> 351.24]  I mean, if that happens, I think I've probably got bigger problems, really.
[351.72 --> 352.26]  Oh, I don't know.
[352.66 --> 353.10]  I don't know.
[353.42 --> 354.10]  You're on the west coast.
[354.20 --> 356.40]  I don't think the fallout would make it quite that far.
[356.64 --> 357.10]  I'm joking.
[357.24 --> 358.72]  Of course, there'd be bigger problems than that.
[359.36 --> 361.40]  There's one or two mountains between us, I suppose.
[361.70 --> 362.74]  Maybe I'll do all right.
[363.06 --> 364.72]  And then, really, life should just go on as normal.
[364.88 --> 366.18]  There would be no other repercussions.
[367.54 --> 367.86]  No.
[368.02 --> 372.14]  I mean, if the federal government disappeared tomorrow, I don't think anybody would be too upset.
[372.24 --> 372.48]  Do you?
[373.30 --> 375.72]  No, I'd just vote with blockchain, I think.
[375.84 --> 376.50]  That's what would happen.
[376.50 --> 377.24]  Uh-oh.
[377.42 --> 378.42]  So, was that your prediction?
[378.70 --> 379.38]  Was it 200?
[379.56 --> 380.32]  What was it?
[380.44 --> 381.66]  I think I missed the prediction.
[381.66 --> 384.78]  A 20 terabyte easy store for $250 or less.
[385.74 --> 386.10]  Okay.
[386.68 --> 387.00]  Okay.
[387.34 --> 391.98]  Can I ask you what you think, Alex, your success rate might be?
[393.40 --> 393.76]  Zero percent.
[395.34 --> 396.16]  Oh, man.
[396.74 --> 397.86]  But he's doing it anyways.
[398.32 --> 400.92]  A couple of years ago, I was pretty confident about it.
[400.92 --> 402.52]  But, I don't know.
[402.60 --> 408.60]  The way things are at the minute and, you know, chip shortages and all that kind of stuff, I'm not so sure anymore.
[408.80 --> 410.68]  But, you know, can't blame a guy for trying.
[411.64 --> 411.72]  No.
[412.04 --> 414.58]  What about diminishing returns when it comes to hard drive?
[414.88 --> 420.38]  Like, I don't know, squeezing that much data into tiny, like it's a physical space.
[420.62 --> 421.58]  Is there any...
[421.58 --> 422.66]  Terabyte is a terabyte.
[423.22 --> 427.18]  Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is, is there any physical limitation to how far this can go?
[427.26 --> 429.02]  Oh, there's been a lot of innovations in that space.
[429.26 --> 430.72]  For better or for worse, for sure.
[431.12 --> 437.70]  Yeah, they do all sorts of shenanigans to fit more bits and bytes and stuff onto a single platter.
[438.82 --> 442.30]  You know, that's way beyond what I think about generally on the regular.
[443.08 --> 446.62]  I think about how much space I can fit into a single drive slot.
[446.62 --> 454.66]  And for me and my backup server, for example, I've just built a new backup server that has five hot swap drive bays.
[454.90 --> 460.14]  And so for me, I want to be able to cram as many terabytes into those five slots as I can.
[460.38 --> 464.62]  So trying to get the most terabyte per slot for me is the name of the game.
[465.48 --> 467.48]  Yep, I totally agree.
[468.08 --> 472.34]  So Santa brought you a few gifts and some of them speak HomeKit.
[472.34 --> 479.58]  And this is a topic we've danced around on the show because we appreciate not everyone listening even cares about this kind of stuff.
[479.70 --> 482.54]  You've been prepping for this episode for years.
[483.40 --> 483.52]  Yeah.
[483.86 --> 490.12]  You know, honestly, before I gave Home Assistant a go, I gave HomeKit a go.
[490.36 --> 494.62]  Like, I just tried to do everything with HomeKit because there's things I like about it.
[494.62 --> 501.76]  If you're not familiar, it's basically a software framework that Apple created that exists in the iOS ecosystem and now the Mac.
[501.76 --> 507.98]  And it allows for LAN-based smart automation and device controls.
[508.76 --> 511.62]  And because it's LAN-based, it's really quick.
[511.82 --> 518.18]  And because it's Apple, it's integrated into the OS and it's integrated into any of the Siri speaker devices.
[518.54 --> 523.28]  And anything that you can invoke Siri on, you can control a HomeKit device with.
[523.38 --> 525.96]  So that it kind of opens it up to a pretty wide ecosystem.
[526.16 --> 529.26]  Even the Apple TV remote can be used to control HomeKit devices.
[529.26 --> 534.84]  And, of course, Apple builds HomeKit automations into their Shortcuts app on the iPhone.
[534.98 --> 542.84]  So you can build automations in your smart home using the Shortcuts app just if you really live in that ecosystem.
[542.98 --> 549.76]  But obviously, because it's Apple's ecosystem, it's a big sandbox, but it is absolutely a sandbox and it does have walls.
[549.76 --> 551.26]  So absolutely.
[551.42 --> 558.40]  I'm already bumping up against those walls on, you know, day 10 or whatever of my iOS transition.
[558.68 --> 567.30]  You know, I've been using Android for the best part of a decade and figured I'd give the iOS side a proper college try this year.
[567.34 --> 569.08]  So I'm going to keep going with this phone.
[570.12 --> 571.12]  I'm going to try and do a year.
[571.36 --> 572.04]  We'll see how it goes.
[572.24 --> 573.72]  I'm liking it so far for the most part.
[573.80 --> 574.58]  There's a couple of things.
[574.58 --> 579.72]  But coming back to HomeKit, what's really nice is how it's seamless, right?
[579.80 --> 589.02]  And when I pull down on my notification kind of control center thing up in the top right, I get a button there called Home, which has some favorites within it.
[589.16 --> 594.90]  And one of the things that came up right away without any configuration at all was my LG TV.
[595.08 --> 597.24]  So I can just turn it on and off straight from my phone.
[597.32 --> 598.64]  No need for a specific app.
[598.64 --> 602.64]  Yeah, as you would expect, Apple is pretty good at what they do support.
[602.86 --> 603.84]  It works pretty well.
[604.58 --> 607.10]  And HomeKit itself seems to be fairly robust.
[607.22 --> 609.10]  They've open sourced a lot of it.
[609.30 --> 612.24]  It uses encryption that seems to be pretty strong.
[612.64 --> 615.62]  And they're promising broader integration with Matter as that develops.
[615.70 --> 616.78]  They're one of the partners there.
[617.28 --> 619.10]  So there's some things to like about it.
[619.20 --> 622.62]  And I think as we get into this, I want to talk about how you can integrate it with Home Assistant.
[622.72 --> 623.98]  I don't know if you've tried that yet, Alex.
[625.04 --> 625.66]  Not yet.
[625.66 --> 630.24]  I mean, you know that I have dozens of home automation devices around this house already.
[631.10 --> 634.32]  The only one that got picked up out of the box was my LG TV.
[636.04 --> 637.94]  Okay, well, so I think let's start here.
[638.34 --> 644.60]  I think where I want to take this is if you have family members listening that want some home automation,
[644.96 --> 649.50]  they're not comfortable with Google or Amazon doing cloud control services,
[649.50 --> 655.90]  and they're not interested in running something like Home Assistant or OpenHAB or a SmartThings hub.
[656.36 --> 658.70]  But they have iOS devices, right?
[658.78 --> 662.88]  This is a category of user that's perfect for this because they can really get a lot done.
[663.30 --> 670.92]  Here at the studio, I actually use automations with HomeKit to turn on and off the lights when I arrive and leave.
[670.92 --> 673.54]  I don't actually do it directly on Home Assistant.
[674.08 --> 676.66]  It's triggering Home Assistant devices, which we'll talk about.
[677.38 --> 681.06]  But the automation is actually being triggered by shortcuts on my iPhone.
[681.70 --> 685.56]  Also, I use that same setup to scan NFC tags to trigger automations.
[686.04 --> 690.26]  So there's some nice things you can get without having to run a whole back-end infrastructure.
[691.24 --> 693.26]  So what happens when Chris's iPhone isn't there?
[693.26 --> 701.18]  They have this concept of a hub, and it's either the Apple TV or an iPad that you're willing to leave on the LAN,
[701.68 --> 706.62]  probably plugged in, or a HomePod, big or small.
[706.82 --> 709.90]  They can all act as a HomeKit hub.
[710.10 --> 713.08]  It becomes the primary orchestrator of your HomeKit network.
[713.46 --> 719.16]  And if you're comfortable with this, it also will act as the proxy to iCloud.
[719.16 --> 723.86]  So Apple establishes a secure connection between your iPhone and iCloud.
[724.10 --> 727.42]  So when you leave the house, you can pull down that control center,
[727.66 --> 731.14]  and all your devices still work, all their status information still works.
[731.38 --> 736.30]  And when you trigger them, what's happening is a proxied request is being routed through iCloud
[736.30 --> 739.40]  to the HomeKit hub, which in my case is a HomePod.
[739.70 --> 742.46]  And then the HomePod is executing it locally on your LAN.
[743.88 --> 746.54]  Okay, that's pretty legit.
[746.54 --> 750.28]  That's similar to the Nebu Kasa service, right?
[750.78 --> 755.04]  Right, and it's all encrypted between your HomeKit hub and your phone.
[755.58 --> 757.46]  So Apple doesn't have the key to that.
[758.08 --> 759.02]  So that's also another...
[759.02 --> 763.50]  They do have the ability to exchange it, so in theory they could probably intercept it.
[763.86 --> 768.28]  But as far as where the encryption keys are held, it's on your iPhone or your iOS device.
[768.34 --> 771.04]  It could be the watch and the HomeKit hub.
[771.04 --> 777.22]  So how do I add things that don't have HomeKit support to this ecosystem?
[777.34 --> 777.84]  Can I do that?
[778.54 --> 780.72]  I do it through Home Assistant, but we'll get there.
[781.08 --> 783.76]  I wanted to mention HomeBridge.
[783.90 --> 786.78]  HomeBridge is really the way to do this right now for...
[786.78 --> 788.08]  You mentioned LG Televisions.
[788.34 --> 792.94]  Before LG natively supported HomeKit, everyone was doing it with HomeBridge.
[793.32 --> 796.06]  And you could run it like on a Raspberry Pi, and it essentially...
[796.06 --> 800.86]  It'll talk their proprietary API, whatever protocol or service it might be.
[801.16 --> 804.34]  The bridge will talk that, and then it'll translate it to HomeKit.
[804.74 --> 808.86]  So it'll just show up to your iPhone as a HomeKit device.
[809.04 --> 811.14]  But it's really the bridge making that representation.
[811.78 --> 815.24]  And so people were controlling LG Televisions using this bridge,
[815.68 --> 816.98]  and LG got wind of it, and they thought,
[817.06 --> 820.34]  oh, well, maybe we should work with Apple and just build in the HomeKit support.
[820.44 --> 821.50]  And that's how that actually started.
[822.08 --> 823.38]  So I don't need the HomeBridge.
[823.44 --> 825.20]  That's just nice to have.
[826.06 --> 828.38]  Yeah, and you really don't if you're a Home Assistant user.
[828.72 --> 832.36]  But again, if you want to go the route of controlling stuff
[832.36 --> 834.98]  without the whole infrastructure of managing Home Assistant,
[835.50 --> 838.92]  you could use HomeKit to do 90% of what you need.
[839.30 --> 842.30]  And then those random cheap devices that are quote-unquote smart devices
[842.30 --> 843.92]  that are not HomeKit compatible,
[844.74 --> 848.22]  you could run HomeBridge on your Mac or on a Raspberry Pi
[848.22 --> 850.12]  or on a Windows box or a Linux box,
[850.52 --> 853.14]  and you could get that other 10%.
[853.14 --> 856.52]  And it does a bunch of neat stuff that Apple's probably never going to really do,
[856.66 --> 858.18]  you know, as any community builds on.
[858.56 --> 860.06]  So there's some other advantages to HomeBridge.
[860.36 --> 864.58]  It's not necessary unless you want to support non-HomeKit compatible devices.
[865.70 --> 866.86]  Okay, well, thanks for clearing that up.
[867.10 --> 871.02]  The terminology here is so confusing, you know,
[871.06 --> 873.00]  HomeKit and HomeBridge and Home Assistant,
[873.28 --> 876.32]  and it's kind of hard to keep all this stuff straight in your head
[876.32 --> 877.44]  when you're fresh to it.
[877.44 --> 879.52]  So why don't we come back to that in just a second?
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[883.78 --> 886.68]  Go there to get $100 in 60-day credit on a new account,
[886.84 --> 888.40]  and you go there to support the show.
[888.60 --> 889.48]  That's how this works.
[889.52 --> 891.46]  You go there, you support us, we keep on going,
[891.56 --> 893.88]  and it's like the circle of podcasting.
[894.04 --> 895.30]  It's an ecosystem, if you will.
[895.74 --> 897.24]  You know, Linode is how we host everything.
[897.36 --> 899.70]  It's also how I'll do like a quick R&D.
[899.96 --> 901.68]  I want to try out an open source project,
[901.68 --> 903.74]  or I have an idea for something that I want to build.
[903.74 --> 907.84]  I guess back in the day, I'd like get a VM on my local machine,
[907.96 --> 909.48]  but those always kind of suck,
[909.56 --> 911.16]  and not to mention it makes my machine busy,
[911.32 --> 913.64]  and I have to have a certain machine that's always capable of doing that.
[913.98 --> 916.38]  When I flipped to using Linode for this kind of stuff,
[916.54 --> 919.14]  it changed like the kind of hardware I'm buying now.
[919.48 --> 921.28]  It like opened up a whole new door, man.
[921.58 --> 922.98]  It's really pretty great,
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[925.54 --> 927.10]  And then, of course, you want to flip it to production.
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[931.50 --> 933.80]  Their machines are screamers, just super fast.
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[935.54 --> 938.04]  including now images for Rocky Linux and Alma Linux,
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[940.66 --> 944.12]  And on top of all of it, a really great user experience.
[945.04 --> 947.26]  Every system over there is a great value,
[947.68 --> 950.14]  great performance, and a nice experience setting it up.
[950.34 --> 952.50]  If you like to do it yourself and build it from the ground up,
[952.50 --> 954.70]  or just deploy an image with something ready to go,
[954.76 --> 957.80]  like say Nextcloud, maybe Discourse or GitLab,
[958.26 --> 959.84]  they've got one-click deployments for that.
[959.84 --> 962.46]  And then I'm often finding that I'm taking advantage
[962.46 --> 964.56]  of their things like S3-compatible object storage
[964.56 --> 966.66]  just by using their command line client,
[966.86 --> 968.98]  or just not even having a machine in between,
[969.14 --> 970.50]  or just using a web interface.
[970.74 --> 972.58]  They have all kinds of nice things like that,
[973.04 --> 975.30]  like a DNS manager that's going to let you get done
[975.30 --> 976.96]  what you need, Kubernetes support,
[977.00 --> 978.00]  if that's the way you go.
[978.48 --> 979.48]  Just a lot to try.
[980.04 --> 981.74]  And pricing is 30% to 50% cheaper
[981.74 --> 983.50]  than any other major cloud provider.
[983.78 --> 986.10]  So go to linode.com slash SSH.
[986.36 --> 988.52]  Get that $100 to really try it out.
[988.52 --> 990.06]  Kick the tires, create an account,
[990.18 --> 991.10]  see what I'm talking about,
[991.36 --> 992.22]  and support the show.
[992.54 --> 994.74]  Linode.com slash SSH.
[996.62 --> 999.10]  Alex was touching on a bunch of the terminology here,
[999.20 --> 1000.62]  but Chris, it sounds like you've put
[1000.62 --> 1001.80]  a bunch of links in the show notes.
[1002.58 --> 1004.70]  Link Ninja, and I didn't overdo it.
[1005.10 --> 1006.94]  I just tried to put the best of the best in there
[1006.94 --> 1008.06]  that helps you go through it all
[1008.06 --> 1009.74]  with screenshots and stuff like that.
[1010.12 --> 1011.52]  So if you're trying to set this up for yourself
[1011.52 --> 1012.62]  or like a family member,
[1012.92 --> 1014.52]  hopefully those will work as a resource.
[1014.52 --> 1017.32]  But Alex, I think what you really need
[1017.32 --> 1018.44]  to kind of wrap your head around
[1018.44 --> 1021.08]  is connecting HomeKit and Home Assistant.
[1021.64 --> 1022.98]  You've got such an established
[1022.98 --> 1024.32]  Home Assistant setup now
[1024.32 --> 1026.18]  that I don't really think it's worth
[1026.18 --> 1028.80]  like developing and, I guess,
[1028.88 --> 1030.48]  cultivating your HomeKit devices
[1030.48 --> 1032.82]  because you're essentially going to replace them
[1032.82 --> 1034.12]  with everything that's in Home Assistant
[1034.12 --> 1035.22]  when you connect it.
[1035.98 --> 1038.44]  And so every device that is in Home Assistant
[1038.44 --> 1040.44]  will now show up to your iPhone
[1040.44 --> 1042.28]  as a HomeKit device.
[1042.28 --> 1045.04]  So you connect the devices to Home Assistant
[1045.04 --> 1047.42]  and then they show up on the iPhone.
[1048.02 --> 1050.92]  And so that means non-HomeKit devices
[1050.92 --> 1051.76]  show up, obviously.
[1052.20 --> 1054.10]  That also means things like your automations
[1054.10 --> 1057.54]  and your scripts and those types of things,
[1057.60 --> 1058.56]  even camera feeds,
[1058.84 --> 1060.88]  now also show up as HomeKit devices.
[1061.66 --> 1062.26]  Camera feeds?
[1063.10 --> 1064.68]  Yeah, it depends on the camera, of course,
[1064.76 --> 1065.10]  but yeah.
[1065.48 --> 1066.78]  Oh, that's pretty cool.
[1067.26 --> 1069.52]  So I've just right now installed
[1069.52 --> 1071.50]  the HomeKit integration.
[1072.30 --> 1075.28]  And I now have about 20 different devices
[1075.28 --> 1076.78]  asking me to scan a QR code
[1076.78 --> 1077.88]  and add them to the Home app.
[1078.74 --> 1080.42]  Yeah, that's why I'm saying
[1080.42 --> 1082.00]  like it's kind of easier to just,
[1082.34 --> 1083.78]  I had to just take a weekend
[1083.78 --> 1085.62]  because I was all on HomeKit
[1085.62 --> 1087.38]  and I just had to move them all over,
[1087.44 --> 1087.94]  if I recall.
[1088.34 --> 1089.08]  Although read on it
[1089.08 --> 1090.86]  because it's been so long since I've done it
[1090.86 --> 1092.52]  that they may have changed the way it works now.
[1093.24 --> 1094.58]  But then future devices,
[1094.70 --> 1096.40]  now I just add them directly to Home Assistant.
[1096.40 --> 1099.22]  All right, so live listeners,
[1099.34 --> 1100.28]  I am going through the process
[1100.28 --> 1102.80]  of adding a camera into the Home app.
[1102.92 --> 1105.16]  I have added the HomeKit integration.
[1105.82 --> 1107.62]  Now I'm going through my notifications
[1107.62 --> 1108.68]  and adding,
[1109.48 --> 1111.70]  by scanning a QR code in the Home app on iOS,
[1112.24 --> 1114.78]  I'm adding an uncertified accessory
[1114.78 --> 1116.08]  and I get a great big warning
[1116.08 --> 1119.16]  telling me it's not secure as I do it.
[1119.16 --> 1122.54]  It's now connecting to the camera,
[1122.72 --> 1125.58]  which is in the kitchen.
[1126.74 --> 1127.36]  What's that?
[1127.44 --> 1128.00]  Kitchen hub.
[1128.04 --> 1129.36]  I don't even have a camera in the kitchen.
[1130.42 --> 1132.30]  Oh yeah, it'll try to guess.
[1132.60 --> 1133.92]  Yeah, it will try to guess.
[1133.92 --> 1134.06]  It'll continue.
[1134.40 --> 1136.38]  Okay, blue iris, all cameras.
[1137.32 --> 1138.86]  Camera that you know of.
[1139.40 --> 1140.22]  I mean, let's be honest,
[1140.30 --> 1141.30]  Brent and I have both been in there.
[1141.30 --> 1143.24]  There's a few cameras you don't know about.
[1143.52 --> 1145.28]  Oh, it's my driveway, not my kitchen.
[1146.08 --> 1146.98]  That's pretty cool.
[1147.68 --> 1148.08]  Yeah.
[1148.08 --> 1151.06]  Now what's nice is all your devices
[1151.06 --> 1152.00]  on your iCloud account
[1152.00 --> 1153.56]  and your family devices
[1153.56 --> 1154.94]  can get access to those.
[1155.62 --> 1157.26]  So Catherine could have
[1157.26 --> 1159.26]  all of those devices on her iPhone
[1159.26 --> 1161.26]  and my kids, like when they're at the RV,
[1161.80 --> 1163.60]  have access to those devices on their iPad
[1163.60 --> 1165.88]  so they can read or be in bed at night
[1165.88 --> 1166.90]  and they can just grab their iPad
[1166.90 --> 1168.52]  and turn the lighting off when they're done now,
[1168.80 --> 1169.52]  which has been great
[1169.52 --> 1171.70]  because they just discovered that on their own
[1171.70 --> 1173.52]  and I didn't even have to tell them about it.
[1173.64 --> 1175.36]  And they have also the tablets,
[1175.72 --> 1176.96]  but now they have it right there
[1176.96 --> 1178.04]  on the device that they already have.
[1178.08 --> 1179.76]  So why not have that additional integration?
[1180.88 --> 1181.16]  Absolutely.
[1181.34 --> 1181.52]  Yeah.
[1181.64 --> 1182.56]  That's pretty cool.
[1183.06 --> 1185.52]  For me, answers some of the biggest questions
[1185.52 --> 1186.24]  I had actually.
[1186.30 --> 1188.76]  And I've deliberately left all of this research
[1188.76 --> 1189.18]  to do it.
[1189.20 --> 1190.14]  It's kind of live on air,
[1190.22 --> 1191.00]  live on the episode
[1191.00 --> 1193.50]  to make it more exciting or something.
[1193.56 --> 1193.92]  I don't know.
[1194.50 --> 1195.82]  It answers some questions that I had
[1195.82 --> 1197.44]  about how to actually integrate this stuff.
[1197.44 --> 1199.46]  But when we were talking the other day,
[1199.52 --> 1202.30]  you suggested that I might need an Apple TV.
[1202.50 --> 1204.18]  And I know we touched on the iPad
[1204.18 --> 1206.32]  and things like that as like a home hub.
[1207.04 --> 1208.22]  Why would I need that?
[1208.86 --> 1210.72]  Is that for the kind of relay thing
[1210.72 --> 1211.56]  that you were mentioning?
[1212.54 --> 1212.64]  Yeah.
[1212.72 --> 1215.12]  So the Apple TV can act as that hub
[1215.12 --> 1218.00]  and it will do a fine job
[1218.00 --> 1219.50]  because it's powered on all the time
[1219.50 --> 1221.34]  and you'll probably have it plugged into Ethernet.
[1221.40 --> 1223.50]  So it's actually a really good device for that.
[1224.20 --> 1226.38]  And they have a low power mode for it
[1226.38 --> 1227.16]  and everything like that.
[1227.24 --> 1228.40]  And there's even some information
[1228.40 --> 1229.46]  when you go into the settings screen,
[1229.54 --> 1232.34]  you can see like what its status is
[1232.34 --> 1233.56]  as far as your HomeKit hub goes.
[1233.72 --> 1234.94]  And when you put it on your network,
[1235.02 --> 1235.90]  you plug it in.
[1236.34 --> 1238.24]  If that's the first device you have,
[1238.38 --> 1240.32]  if you don't like say already have a HomePod,
[1240.96 --> 1242.38]  it'll just sort of negotiate
[1242.38 --> 1244.30]  and it'll become the leader automatically.
[1244.46 --> 1245.04]  You'll never know.
[1245.16 --> 1246.14]  You never really have to futz.
[1246.28 --> 1247.06]  It just does it.
[1247.72 --> 1249.88]  Now I've just tried to add my robot vacuum
[1249.88 --> 1252.00]  and it tried to pick that up as a camera
[1252.00 --> 1252.80]  for some reason.
[1253.60 --> 1256.06]  I think because of the map portion
[1256.06 --> 1259.44]  that the Xiaomi RoboVac thing that I have,
[1259.64 --> 1261.38]  Roborock S5 is the one I have.
[1262.28 --> 1264.82]  And it's trying to use that map as a camera
[1264.82 --> 1266.34]  and it's just failing and spinning.
[1266.64 --> 1268.70]  And so this isn't perfect by any stretch,
[1268.80 --> 1270.48]  but I can certainly see why this would be useful.
[1271.36 --> 1272.82]  What I would do for some of those devices
[1272.82 --> 1274.66]  is just disable them in HomeKit
[1274.66 --> 1277.46]  because like, so say you have like my sensors
[1277.46 --> 1279.96]  that have six different sensor feeds.
[1280.46 --> 1282.88]  Each one of those will show up
[1282.88 --> 1284.10]  as a device in HomeKit.
[1284.36 --> 1286.86]  The humidity, like all of it just shows up as a device.
[1287.04 --> 1289.44]  And some of it, there isn't like a parallel.
[1289.58 --> 1290.94]  There's nothing in the Apple world
[1290.94 --> 1292.42]  that equates to that kind of device.
[1292.84 --> 1294.46]  And so I just disable those.
[1294.82 --> 1297.36]  So basically it's like a one-time curation
[1297.36 --> 1298.40]  where I go through and I just,
[1298.48 --> 1299.96]  I take some stuff out.
[1300.02 --> 1301.74]  There's a couple of different ways you can do that.
[1301.82 --> 1303.00]  I don't remember the best way,
[1303.46 --> 1305.60]  but I found it online by looking
[1305.60 --> 1307.78]  and I just went through one time
[1307.78 --> 1310.06]  and disabled everything that I didn't want
[1310.06 --> 1311.42]  in that HomeKit screen once.
[1311.56 --> 1312.58]  And it's been great.
[1312.82 --> 1314.20]  But yeah, there is edge cases
[1314.20 --> 1317.34]  like a device that has two camera feeds
[1317.34 --> 1318.04]  and stuff like that.
[1318.08 --> 1319.96]  But I think Apple only expects devices
[1319.96 --> 1321.30]  to have one single camera
[1321.30 --> 1323.32]  and those kinds of weird edge cases.
[1323.32 --> 1325.86]  But when you're looking for like controlling smart devices
[1325.86 --> 1329.44]  or lights or kicking off automations or scripts,
[1329.44 --> 1331.04]  it's great at that kind of stuff.
[1331.62 --> 1333.78]  But it doesn't fully replace
[1333.78 --> 1336.42]  going to the Home Assistant web UI or app
[1336.42 --> 1338.92]  if you're even a moderate power user.
[1339.70 --> 1340.80]  I don't think it helps either
[1340.80 --> 1343.50]  that my other primary HomeKit kind of ecosystem,
[1343.72 --> 1345.08]  the Philips Hue stuff,
[1345.28 --> 1349.22]  I recently replaced that with a Conbee 2 Zigbee bridge
[1349.22 --> 1350.74]  and Zigbee buttons everywhere.
[1351.14 --> 1353.64]  So, you know, the couple of low hanging fruit
[1353.64 --> 1355.30]  that I had that would have worked
[1355.30 --> 1357.46]  now don't work
[1357.46 --> 1359.76]  because I've kind of taken that control back in house.
[1360.60 --> 1361.18]  But as connect,
[1361.26 --> 1363.90]  if you do connect HomeKit up all to Home Assistant,
[1364.28 --> 1365.22]  then those will show up.
[1365.30 --> 1368.70]  Those will be devices as buttons you can use in HomeKit.
[1369.10 --> 1369.78]  That's pretty cool.
[1370.52 --> 1370.68]  Yeah.
[1370.96 --> 1373.28]  And so then that means also your iPad gets that,
[1373.56 --> 1374.32]  your watch,
[1374.32 --> 1376.88]  and any of your Siri tubes get that.
[1376.98 --> 1378.48]  And I think the Siri tubes actually make
[1378.48 --> 1379.70]  for kind of a nice
[1379.70 --> 1382.32]  home automation voice control.
[1382.48 --> 1383.54]  It's a decent compromise.
[1383.90 --> 1386.92]  I think it's not a perfect privacy story,
[1387.12 --> 1388.86]  but it's clearly better than Google
[1388.86 --> 1390.40]  and better than Amazon.
[1391.16 --> 1391.22]  Yeah.
[1391.76 --> 1393.06]  I'd be lying if I said
[1393.06 --> 1394.42]  that wasn't part of my motivation
[1394.42 --> 1396.22]  to switch for a bit.
[1396.98 --> 1400.80]  And I like that their protocol is LAN-based.
[1401.06 --> 1402.80]  It's not API cloud-based,
[1402.88 --> 1403.60]  it's LAN-based.
[1403.60 --> 1407.40]  Now, the voice translation that Siri does
[1407.40 --> 1408.26]  is cloud-based,
[1408.34 --> 1410.74]  although Apple does seem to be moving
[1410.74 --> 1412.64]  to doing that on chip more and more.
[1412.70 --> 1413.76]  They do that in the latest iPhone.
[1413.96 --> 1416.18]  So it's conceivable future HomePods
[1416.18 --> 1417.98]  may do local transcription.
[1418.42 --> 1420.28]  So that part still goes to the cloud.
[1420.40 --> 1423.10]  But once Siri realizes what you're asking for,
[1423.80 --> 1425.02]  that happens on the LAN,
[1425.16 --> 1426.22]  that happens immediately.
[1426.60 --> 1428.02]  It's faster than some of the other ones
[1428.02 --> 1428.66]  because of that.
[1429.62 --> 1430.98]  So another question I have for you,
[1430.98 --> 1433.58]  with the Nebu Casa cloud service,
[1433.58 --> 1437.44]  I can connect the Google and Amazon pucks,
[1437.80 --> 1439.44]  tubes, whatever, voice assistants
[1439.44 --> 1442.76]  to react to various phrases.
[1443.26 --> 1445.20]  And I can program those with Google,
[1445.30 --> 1445.68]  for example,
[1445.72 --> 1446.96]  you do it in the Google Home app.
[1447.40 --> 1448.90]  I can create key phrases
[1448.90 --> 1450.86]  that trigger certain scripts
[1450.86 --> 1451.46]  in Home Assistant,
[1451.58 --> 1452.22]  that kind of thing.
[1452.22 --> 1455.74]  What's the equivalent in the HomeKit world?
[1456.74 --> 1457.54]  That's a great question.
[1457.72 --> 1458.70]  I'm really glad you asked
[1458.70 --> 1459.88]  because I should make this point.
[1460.40 --> 1461.92]  You don't need Nebu Casa cloud
[1461.92 --> 1463.24]  or any of that
[1463.24 --> 1466.10]  to have HomeKit and Siri work together
[1466.10 --> 1467.32]  and have Siri trigger
[1467.32 --> 1468.42]  all the HomeKit stuff
[1468.42 --> 1470.58]  because it's doing it
[1470.58 --> 1472.76]  through the HomeKit integration.
[1473.88 --> 1477.58]  And Siri is executing those commands
[1477.58 --> 1479.52]  from the hub device
[1479.52 --> 1482.18]  or whatever Siri device requests it
[1482.18 --> 1483.54]  directly to the Home Assistant
[1483.54 --> 1484.66]  using that integration.
[1484.94 --> 1486.80]  So it bypasses the need
[1486.80 --> 1488.16]  for like the complicated setup
[1488.16 --> 1489.12]  to get Google Assistant
[1489.12 --> 1490.30]  to work completely.
[1490.86 --> 1491.16]  So also,
[1491.26 --> 1492.16]  I think it's just a great setup
[1492.16 --> 1493.64]  because you don't actually need
[1493.64 --> 1494.76]  the Nebu Casa cloud part.
[1494.86 --> 1495.44]  You don't have to do
[1495.44 --> 1496.32]  all the cloud stuff
[1496.32 --> 1497.58]  if you don't want to.
[1498.22 --> 1498.96]  So you just get
[1498.96 --> 1500.38]  the HomeKit integration set up.
[1500.90 --> 1502.06]  And once you have
[1502.06 --> 1503.32]  all the HomeKit devices
[1503.32 --> 1504.78]  associated with Home Assistant,
[1505.70 --> 1506.70]  Siri just works.
[1506.92 --> 1507.24]  Your phone,
[1507.32 --> 1507.98]  it'll work on your phone.
[1508.04 --> 1508.96]  It'll work on your HomePod.
[1508.96 --> 1509.82]  It'll work on your watch.
[1509.86 --> 1510.90]  It'll work on your Apple TV.
[1511.36 --> 1512.84]  It all just happens immediately.
[1514.56 --> 1514.94]  Very nice.
[1515.14 --> 1515.82]  And we're going to take
[1515.82 --> 1516.48]  a quick break
[1516.48 --> 1517.80]  from the Apple stuff.
[1517.90 --> 1519.02]  We'll come back to that shortly.
[1519.74 --> 1520.84]  I have a request
[1520.84 --> 1522.62]  to ask of our listenership.
[1523.62 --> 1525.02]  My mother sent me
[1525.02 --> 1526.76]  a few videotapes for Christmas.
[1526.92 --> 1530.22]  They are mini DV format tapes.
[1530.74 --> 1532.96]  I rang a local video shop
[1532.96 --> 1534.22]  that does like digital
[1534.22 --> 1536.18]  or analog to digital conversions.
[1536.18 --> 1537.90]  And they wanted to charge me
[1537.90 --> 1539.44]  something like $20 a tape
[1539.44 --> 1540.08]  and I've got about
[1540.08 --> 1541.44]  10 or 20 of these things
[1541.44 --> 1542.20]  to digitize.
[1542.90 --> 1544.22]  That seems a little bit
[1544.22 --> 1545.64]  expensive to me.
[1546.12 --> 1547.46]  Also, what seems expensive
[1547.46 --> 1548.72]  is looking on eBay
[1548.72 --> 1551.12]  at these used camcorders.
[1551.24 --> 1552.72]  They're like $100, $150
[1552.72 --> 1554.64]  for a 10, 15 year old
[1554.64 --> 1558.20]  outdated proprietary format camcorder.
[1558.20 --> 1559.96]  So I was wondering
[1559.96 --> 1560.84]  if there's anybody
[1560.84 --> 1561.54]  in the audience
[1561.54 --> 1563.12]  that has any suggestions
[1563.12 --> 1565.20]  about how I could acquire
[1565.20 --> 1566.72]  a mini DV camcorder
[1566.72 --> 1568.36]  for cheaper than $150
[1568.36 --> 1570.44]  or would be willing
[1570.44 --> 1571.56]  to loan me one
[1571.56 --> 1572.42]  for a few weeks.
[1572.46 --> 1573.26]  That'd be kind of cool.
[1573.80 --> 1575.22]  And if you have any suggestions
[1575.22 --> 1576.16]  about how to actually
[1576.16 --> 1577.56]  go ahead and digitize
[1577.56 --> 1579.10]  the tapes properly,
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[1687.38 --> 1687.66]  at
[1687.66 --> 1688.90]  tailscale.com
[1688.90 --> 1689.42]  slash
[1689.42 --> 1690.22]  self-hosted.
[1690.26 --> 1691.52]  That's tailscale.com
[1691.52 --> 1692.22]  slash
[1692.22 --> 1692.88]  self-hosted
[1692.88 --> 1693.48]  one word.
[1695.32 --> 1696.04]  Hey Chris,
[1696.08 --> 1697.36]  I've got good news.
[1697.64 --> 1698.62]  The NVIDIA Shield,
[1698.74 --> 1700.20]  our favorite video player,
[1700.36 --> 1701.32]  has been updated
[1701.32 --> 1703.20]  to Android TV 11.
[1703.44 --> 1704.90]  It has a Stadia button now.
[1705.68 --> 1706.16]  Wait,
[1706.28 --> 1706.88]  are you serious?
[1707.32 --> 1707.74]  No,
[1707.86 --> 1708.12]  I mean,
[1708.20 --> 1708.86]  it's apparently
[1708.86 --> 1709.98]  according to 9-5 Google.
[1710.26 --> 1710.48]  Yeah.
[1711.32 --> 1712.06]  Oh boy.
[1712.82 --> 1713.50]  And they didn't get rid
[1713.50 --> 1714.18]  of the ads either.
[1714.44 --> 1714.88]  I went and looked
[1714.88 --> 1715.48]  for a screenshot.
[1715.48 --> 1716.38]  It still has the ads
[1716.38 --> 1716.90]  on the interface.
[1717.18 --> 1717.44]  That home
[1717.44 --> 1718.12]  that kind of
[1718.12 --> 1718.98]  home launcher thing
[1718.98 --> 1720.46]  is all money,
[1720.54 --> 1720.78]  baby.
[1721.62 --> 1722.08]  You know,
[1722.10 --> 1722.36]  I don't know
[1722.36 --> 1723.70]  what is going on,
[1723.80 --> 1724.48]  but I was trying
[1724.48 --> 1725.28]  to watch Deadwood
[1725.28 --> 1726.34]  and I have the
[1726.34 --> 1726.94]  NVIDIA Shield
[1726.94 --> 1727.62]  in the bedroom
[1727.62 --> 1728.38]  and I don't
[1728.38 --> 1729.60]  watch TV back there
[1729.60 --> 1729.88]  a lot,
[1729.96 --> 1730.32]  but you know,
[1730.44 --> 1730.86]  I was going to
[1730.86 --> 1732.32]  just for whatever reason
[1732.32 --> 1733.14]  we were watching TV
[1733.14 --> 1733.98]  back there that night
[1733.98 --> 1735.76]  and I hit play
[1735.76 --> 1736.72]  and I start watching it
[1736.72 --> 1737.56]  and about five minutes
[1737.56 --> 1737.86]  in,
[1738.24 --> 1739.60]  it starts buffering.
[1740.20 --> 1740.76]  I'm thinking,
[1740.96 --> 1741.54]  what the hell's
[1741.54 --> 1742.34]  going on here?
[1742.96 --> 1743.76]  So I pull up
[1743.76 --> 1744.94]  the Raspberry Pi
[1744.94 --> 1745.60]  on,
[1745.74 --> 1746.06]  you know,
[1746.12 --> 1746.96]  SSH on my phone
[1746.96 --> 1747.34]  in my bed
[1747.34 --> 1748.54]  like a lazy bastard
[1748.54 --> 1750.28]  and I pull up
[1750.28 --> 1750.74]  H-Top
[1750.74 --> 1751.44]  and sure enough,
[1751.56 --> 1752.58]  Plex is chugging away,
[1752.74 --> 1753.32]  transcoding,
[1753.70 --> 1754.88]  and so I go get
[1754.88 --> 1755.50]  the information
[1755.50 --> 1756.14]  in the playback
[1756.14 --> 1756.82]  and it says
[1756.82 --> 1758.08]  that the audio codec
[1758.08 --> 1760.32]  is unsupported
[1760.32 --> 1761.70]  and so it's transcoding
[1761.70 --> 1762.46]  the entire thing,
[1762.52 --> 1763.28]  even the video,
[1763.96 --> 1765.30]  because the audio codec,
[1765.40 --> 1766.12]  whatever it is,
[1766.16 --> 1766.92]  I don't know,
[1767.22 --> 1767.86]  is unsupported
[1767.86 --> 1768.30]  on the Shield,
[1768.30 --> 1769.14]  but shockingly,
[1769.60 --> 1770.30]  it doesn't have
[1770.30 --> 1770.96]  to transcode it
[1770.96 --> 1771.38]  for playback
[1771.38 --> 1772.38]  on the Apple TV.
[1772.94 --> 1773.64]  So I can't imagine
[1773.64 --> 1774.14]  what codec
[1774.14 --> 1775.06]  the Apple TV has
[1775.06 --> 1775.76]  that the NVIDIA Shield
[1775.76 --> 1776.34]  doesn't,
[1776.88 --> 1778.52]  but I kind of designed
[1778.52 --> 1779.34]  my Plex setup
[1779.34 --> 1780.50]  to never transcode
[1780.50 --> 1781.10]  because I'm doing it
[1781.10 --> 1781.80]  on a Pi that's doing
[1781.80 --> 1782.32]  like a thousand
[1782.32 --> 1783.00]  other things.
[1783.46 --> 1784.46]  So once it starts
[1784.46 --> 1785.08]  transcoding,
[1785.46 --> 1786.36]  all bets are off,
[1786.42 --> 1786.64]  you know,
[1786.72 --> 1787.78]  that TV watching session
[1787.78 --> 1788.40]  gets wrecked.
[1789.60 --> 1790.88]  I think the NVIDIA Shield,
[1790.96 --> 1791.52]  we did an episode
[1791.52 --> 1792.62]  on it a long time ago,
[1792.70 --> 1794.32]  but it is the single
[1794.32 --> 1795.60]  longest running piece
[1795.60 --> 1796.68]  of hardware
[1796.68 --> 1798.38]  in my entire house
[1798.38 --> 1798.86]  near enough.
[1798.86 --> 1799.34]  I think I've got
[1799.34 --> 1800.54]  a Unify Access Point
[1800.54 --> 1802.26]  and a NVIDIA Shield
[1802.26 --> 1803.14]  that all date
[1803.14 --> 1804.74]  from 2014,
[1805.10 --> 1805.42]  15,
[1805.64 --> 1806.26]  something like that,
[1806.58 --> 1807.62]  and I haven't replaced
[1807.62 --> 1808.68]  or upgraded either of them.
[1809.62 --> 1811.14]  It's like the Android LTS.
[1811.86 --> 1812.18]  Right?
[1812.74 --> 1813.60]  I think it helps
[1813.60 --> 1814.64]  that it's the same chip
[1814.64 --> 1815.24]  that they used
[1815.24 --> 1816.64]  in the Nintendo Switch,
[1816.72 --> 1816.88]  though.
[1818.32 --> 1818.56]  Yeah,
[1818.64 --> 1819.74]  and a couple of
[1819.74 --> 1821.00]  NVIDIA devices
[1821.00 --> 1822.10]  they sold to OEMs,
[1822.14 --> 1822.28]  too,
[1822.36 --> 1823.02]  so I'm sure they still
[1823.02 --> 1823.66]  have engineers
[1823.66 --> 1824.58]  working on drivers
[1824.58 --> 1825.60]  and getting Linux
[1825.60 --> 1826.18]  running on there.
[1827.40 --> 1827.88]  So, yeah,
[1827.90 --> 1828.54]  I'm keeping my
[1828.54 --> 1829.56]  for now,
[1830.32 --> 1831.22]  but I am tempted
[1831.22 --> 1832.20]  to replace it
[1832.20 --> 1832.70]  because of this
[1832.70 --> 1833.36]  codec issue,
[1833.72 --> 1834.22]  although it really
[1834.22 --> 1835.00]  hasn't been a problem
[1835.00 --> 1835.56]  in the past.
[1835.92 --> 1836.72]  So, what would you
[1836.72 --> 1837.56]  replace it with,
[1837.68 --> 1839.36]  Mr. Apple iOS boy?
[1840.12 --> 1841.08]  Well, what do you think?
[1841.12 --> 1841.72]  I actually think
[1841.72 --> 1842.18]  the Apple TV
[1842.18 --> 1843.04]  is pretty decent,
[1843.20 --> 1843.82]  especially if you only
[1843.82 --> 1844.42]  buy these things
[1844.42 --> 1845.42]  every four or five years,
[1846.22 --> 1847.28]  and they don't update
[1847.28 --> 1847.94]  it very often,
[1848.06 --> 1848.86]  so they last about
[1848.86 --> 1849.42]  five years.
[1850.04 --> 1851.16]  The performance is better
[1851.16 --> 1852.20]  than even the NVIDIA Shield,
[1852.28 --> 1852.70]  and that really
[1852.70 --> 1853.40]  is saying something.
[1854.30 --> 1855.18]  This isn't supposed
[1855.18 --> 1856.10]  to be an exhaustive
[1856.10 --> 1857.06]  comparison between
[1857.06 --> 1857.68]  the Apple TV
[1857.68 --> 1858.46]  and the NVIDIA Shield,
[1858.54 --> 1859.24]  perhaps we'll save
[1859.24 --> 1860.44]  that for a future episode.
[1860.80 --> 1861.46]  But there's a couple
[1861.46 --> 1862.24]  of things before
[1862.24 --> 1863.02]  I buy one
[1863.02 --> 1864.58]  that make me worry
[1864.58 --> 1865.36]  a little bit
[1865.36 --> 1866.40]  about doing so,
[1866.66 --> 1867.46]  potentially.
[1867.90 --> 1869.10]  Number one is,
[1869.36 --> 1870.40]  I'll list my use cases
[1870.40 --> 1870.84]  and then perhaps
[1870.84 --> 1871.54]  you can address them.
[1871.60 --> 1871.96]  Are you talking
[1871.96 --> 1872.96]  about the Apple TV
[1872.96 --> 1873.42]  or the Shield?
[1873.42 --> 1875.68]  So I'm talking about
[1875.68 --> 1876.66]  use cases I have
[1876.66 --> 1877.20]  on the Shield
[1877.20 --> 1878.16]  that I'm worried
[1878.16 --> 1878.62]  I won't be able
[1878.62 --> 1879.14]  to replicate
[1879.14 --> 1880.76]  on the Apple TV.
[1881.52 --> 1881.72]  Gotcha.
[1882.74 --> 1883.44]  First of all
[1883.44 --> 1884.32]  is iPlayer.
[1884.48 --> 1885.28]  So obviously living
[1885.28 --> 1886.02]  in the States
[1886.02 --> 1887.70]  and being British,
[1887.70 --> 1888.74]  we like to get
[1888.74 --> 1889.42]  real TV
[1889.42 --> 1890.84]  from the BBC.
[1891.68 --> 1892.30]  And the way
[1892.30 --> 1892.78]  we do that
[1892.78 --> 1893.30]  is we have
[1893.30 --> 1894.16]  a WireGuard VPN
[1894.16 --> 1894.92]  that goes into
[1894.92 --> 1895.54]  one of my parents'
[1895.70 --> 1896.30]  houses in England
[1896.30 --> 1898.24]  and our IP address
[1898.24 --> 1899.24]  is a residential IP.
[1899.48 --> 1900.20]  So as far as
[1900.20 --> 1902.40]  the BBC are concerned,
[1902.52 --> 1903.86]  we can just stream iPlayer
[1903.86 --> 1904.30]  as if we were
[1904.30 --> 1904.90]  in that building
[1904.90 --> 1906.72]  and there's no problems there.
[1906.80 --> 1907.34]  Whereas if you were
[1907.34 --> 1907.84]  trying to use
[1907.84 --> 1909.26]  several commercial VPNs
[1909.26 --> 1909.82]  or host something
[1909.82 --> 1910.48]  up on Linode
[1910.48 --> 1911.32]  or DigitalOcean
[1911.32 --> 1912.46]  or a,
[1912.56 --> 1913.92]  and other cloud provider,
[1914.16 --> 1915.12]  that IP block
[1915.12 --> 1916.10]  is kind of blacklisted
[1916.10 --> 1916.68]  by the BBC.
[1917.72 --> 1918.58]  I've also heard stories
[1918.58 --> 1919.48]  that they blacklist
[1919.48 --> 1920.40]  certain models
[1920.40 --> 1921.00]  of Rokus
[1921.00 --> 1921.96]  from listeners.
[1922.94 --> 1923.38]  So,
[1923.72 --> 1923.96]  you know,
[1924.02 --> 1924.42]  you've got to be
[1924.42 --> 1924.96]  really careful
[1924.96 --> 1925.68]  about the devices
[1925.68 --> 1926.58]  you try and do
[1926.58 --> 1927.34]  this on apparently.
[1928.10 --> 1928.90]  So that's number one
[1928.90 --> 1929.82]  is how am I going
[1929.82 --> 1931.00]  to get a WireGuard tunnel
[1931.00 --> 1931.90]  on an Apple TV
[1931.90 --> 1933.06]  back to England?
[1933.56 --> 1934.62]  And then the second one
[1934.62 --> 1936.10]  is something like
[1936.10 --> 1936.52]  Kodi.
[1937.02 --> 1937.70]  So Kodi,
[1937.88 --> 1938.40]  as I'm sure
[1938.40 --> 1939.38]  most of our listeners
[1939.38 --> 1939.72]  know,
[1939.90 --> 1940.72]  is like the
[1940.72 --> 1941.74]  jack of all trades.
[1941.94 --> 1942.02]  Like,
[1942.42 --> 1943.68]  if it won't play in Kodi,
[1944.08 --> 1945.32]  it's a broken file
[1945.32 --> 1946.92]  type video player.
[1948.00 --> 1948.94]  So for me,
[1949.12 --> 1950.38]  those two things,
[1950.54 --> 1950.66]  you know,
[1950.72 --> 1951.54]  Plex and Jellyfin,
[1951.64 --> 1952.12]  I'm assuming,
[1952.24 --> 1953.98]  are both absolutely fine
[1953.98 --> 1954.64]  on the Apple TV.
[1955.64 --> 1955.74]  Yeah,
[1955.80 --> 1957.06]  those are fine.
[1957.22 --> 1958.76]  Those are both
[1958.76 --> 1959.68]  really good questions.
[1960.76 --> 1962.62]  I don't really have
[1962.62 --> 1963.38]  an answer for you
[1963.38 --> 1965.16]  on the WireGuard VPN
[1965.16 --> 1966.02]  other than solving
[1966.02 --> 1967.24]  that at the network layer,
[1967.88 --> 1968.66]  which I could imagine
[1968.66 --> 1970.12]  a couple of tricky ways
[1970.12 --> 1970.70]  to do that,
[1970.74 --> 1971.68]  but no particularly
[1971.68 --> 1972.70]  great ways
[1972.70 --> 1973.48]  to do that.
[1974.04 --> 1975.06]  But I could imagine
[1975.06 --> 1976.24]  a routing situation
[1976.24 --> 1978.06]  where you're taking care
[1978.06 --> 1979.00]  of that at your firewall
[1979.00 --> 1981.42]  or at some other device.
[1982.88 --> 1983.56]  That's the only way
[1983.56 --> 1984.08]  I could think of it.
[1984.08 --> 1985.56]  I think you'd probably
[1985.56 --> 1986.66]  want to go that route
[1986.66 --> 1989.00]  because it's not unheard of
[1989.00 --> 1990.66]  to have people root
[1990.66 --> 1991.42]  the Apple TV
[1991.42 --> 1992.78]  and install third-party apps.
[1992.88 --> 1994.28]  That's been more common
[1994.28 --> 1995.04]  on the Apple TV
[1995.04 --> 1996.28]  than it is on other
[1996.28 --> 1997.12]  iOS devices.
[1997.72 --> 2000.60]  But I don't really find
[2000.60 --> 2001.20]  that to be a good
[2001.20 --> 2002.16]  long-term way to go
[2002.16 --> 2002.94]  because eventually
[2002.94 --> 2004.14]  Apple releases an OS
[2004.14 --> 2004.86]  that breaks it
[2004.86 --> 2005.64]  every time.
[2006.30 --> 2006.34]  Like,
[2006.38 --> 2007.16]  you used to be able
[2007.16 --> 2007.30]  to,
[2007.38 --> 2008.24]  to your second question,
[2008.72 --> 2009.96]  there was a period of time
[2009.96 --> 2011.08]  where you could make
[2011.08 --> 2011.90]  an Apple TV
[2011.90 --> 2013.08]  a hell of a Kodi box.
[2013.38 --> 2014.16]  It was awesome.
[2015.18 --> 2016.62]  But time moved on.
[2016.68 --> 2017.60]  Apple updated the hardware
[2017.60 --> 2018.76]  and the OS requirements
[2018.76 --> 2020.12]  and that ability went away.
[2021.10 --> 2022.34]  And I've,
[2022.54 --> 2023.92]  I have replaced Kodi
[2023.92 --> 2024.84]  with Infuse.
[2024.94 --> 2025.68]  I've mentioned it before
[2025.68 --> 2026.24]  on the show.
[2026.24 --> 2027.66]  I think Infuse
[2027.66 --> 2029.02]  is the best
[2029.02 --> 2030.74]  set-top
[2030.74 --> 2032.46]  television-style
[2032.46 --> 2033.08]  interface
[2033.08 --> 2033.80]  to video playback.
[2034.12 --> 2034.84]  It's got the best
[2034.84 --> 2035.62]  codec support.
[2035.82 --> 2037.30]  It supports Samba shares.
[2037.62 --> 2038.92]  It supports SFTP.
[2039.22 --> 2040.00]  It supports syncing
[2040.00 --> 2041.30]  to Plex and Jellyfin.
[2041.66 --> 2042.70]  It supports DLNA.
[2043.10 --> 2043.86]  It supports just
[2043.86 --> 2044.76]  attaching a disk
[2044.76 --> 2046.32]  and watching files locally.
[2046.58 --> 2047.88]  It's got tons of codecs.
[2047.94 --> 2048.82]  It has a super active
[2048.82 --> 2049.82]  development team.
[2050.38 --> 2051.06]  And, you know,
[2051.10 --> 2052.34]  all respect to the Plex team,
[2052.96 --> 2053.80]  they're just focused
[2053.80 --> 2055.06]  on making a great video player.
[2055.06 --> 2056.66]  And, you know,
[2056.70 --> 2057.36]  they don't necessarily
[2057.36 --> 2058.44]  need to own the back end.
[2058.68 --> 2059.52]  If you want to, you know,
[2059.64 --> 2061.14]  roll it with a file system,
[2061.22 --> 2061.86]  they'll go that way.
[2062.10 --> 2062.86]  If you want to sync it
[2062.86 --> 2064.00]  to a Plex server or Jellyfin,
[2064.08 --> 2064.64]  they'll go that way.
[2065.44 --> 2066.82]  And so Infuse, for me,
[2067.36 --> 2068.16]  I even subscribed
[2068.16 --> 2069.14]  to the pro version
[2069.14 --> 2069.68]  because I think
[2069.68 --> 2070.68]  it's absolutely worth it.
[2071.32 --> 2073.80]  And I took about a year off
[2073.80 --> 2074.44]  from Kodi.
[2075.08 --> 2075.98]  And, man, I tell you what,
[2076.16 --> 2077.54]  I used to be one of Kodi's
[2077.54 --> 2078.04]  biggest fans.
[2078.10 --> 2079.46]  You can find really embarrassing
[2079.46 --> 2080.98]  old videos of me on YouTube
[2080.98 --> 2084.12]  where I'm really advocating Kodi
[2084.12 --> 2085.18]  actually, man,
[2085.20 --> 2086.12]  you can even find videos
[2086.12 --> 2088.12]  of me advocating XBMC
[2088.12 --> 2089.20]  before it became Kodi.
[2089.70 --> 2090.08]  Like, it's,
[2090.42 --> 2092.72]  the loyalty runs deep.
[2093.46 --> 2094.24]  I think there are videos
[2094.24 --> 2095.30]  of you advocating
[2095.30 --> 2096.70]  how to run XBMC
[2096.70 --> 2098.32]  on a PlayStation 3.
[2098.46 --> 2098.74]  Yeah.
[2098.86 --> 2099.46]  Running Linux
[2099.46 --> 2100.48]  back in the day.
[2100.94 --> 2101.38]  Do you remember
[2101.38 --> 2102.58]  DLP televisions?
[2102.82 --> 2103.76]  The ones with the, like,
[2103.86 --> 2104.88]  reverse projectors?
[2104.88 --> 2105.82]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2105.82 --> 2106.08]  Yeah.
[2106.80 --> 2107.24]  Woo!
[2107.66 --> 2109.16]  It was 720p, baby.
[2109.54 --> 2110.32]  And we were happy,
[2110.42 --> 2110.88]  goddammit.
[2110.88 --> 2112.30]  Yeah, it was.
[2112.66 --> 2113.46]  It was great.
[2113.60 --> 2114.48]  But I took a year off
[2114.48 --> 2114.96]  from Kodi,
[2115.14 --> 2115.94]  and then I went back
[2115.94 --> 2117.36]  to it last month.
[2118.50 --> 2119.82]  And, oh, my god,
[2119.84 --> 2121.36]  I realized it's just
[2121.36 --> 2122.56]  from another era.
[2123.32 --> 2124.20]  Like, I think if you have
[2124.20 --> 2124.90]  momentum with it,
[2124.94 --> 2125.64]  it's fantastic.
[2126.00 --> 2127.42]  But if you take a year off
[2127.42 --> 2128.96]  and then come back to it,
[2129.50 --> 2131.20]  we don't design software
[2131.20 --> 2131.92]  this way anymore.
[2132.08 --> 2133.08]  And it does all this
[2133.08 --> 2133.94]  crazy stuff,
[2134.00 --> 2134.38]  and it has,
[2135.20 --> 2136.00]  it is,
[2136.44 --> 2137.42]  it's a lot.
[2137.42 --> 2138.52]  And in Fuse,
[2138.90 --> 2140.48]  it seems simple at first.
[2140.54 --> 2141.76]  It's deceptively simple.
[2142.18 --> 2143.80]  But as you begin to use it,
[2143.86 --> 2145.92]  you realize it's very powerful.
[2146.16 --> 2147.46]  And it has a fantastic
[2147.46 --> 2148.96]  video playback engine, too,
[2149.14 --> 2149.84]  which is, you know,
[2149.92 --> 2150.72]  job one here.
[2150.72 --> 2151.76]  And it's great
[2151.76 --> 2152.68]  at jumping around.
[2152.84 --> 2154.54]  The just only downside,
[2154.66 --> 2155.64]  but if you're a Jellyfin user,
[2155.80 --> 2156.48]  you're used to this,
[2156.56 --> 2157.58]  but if you're a Plex user,
[2158.02 --> 2159.40]  I think the only downside
[2159.40 --> 2161.12]  is that it doesn't have
[2161.12 --> 2161.76]  skip intro,
[2162.08 --> 2162.98]  which I love.
[2163.94 --> 2164.90]  But they do not yet
[2164.90 --> 2165.74]  support skip intro.
[2165.98 --> 2166.88]  I think it's on the roadmap.
[2167.46 --> 2168.62]  It does have a feature
[2168.62 --> 2170.12]  that Plex needs to have,
[2170.16 --> 2170.62]  and that is,
[2170.84 --> 2172.36]  it blurs spoilers.
[2173.04 --> 2174.02]  So when you go into a,
[2174.32 --> 2175.52]  when you go into a show
[2175.52 --> 2176.38]  and you look at a season,
[2176.84 --> 2178.00]  it blurs the episodes
[2178.00 --> 2179.00]  you haven't watched yet.
[2179.02 --> 2179.88]  And I can't tell you
[2179.88 --> 2181.18]  how great that is.
[2182.18 --> 2183.04]  Whilst you were talking
[2183.04 --> 2183.56]  just then,
[2183.66 --> 2184.38]  I've actually gone ahead
[2184.38 --> 2185.36]  and installed it on the Mac
[2185.36 --> 2186.36]  I'm recording this on
[2186.36 --> 2188.48]  and connected up my Plex library
[2188.48 --> 2189.88]  within, what,
[2190.12 --> 2190.76]  two minutes?
[2191.80 --> 2192.20]  Yeah,
[2192.34 --> 2193.12]  pretty impressive.
[2193.30 --> 2194.18]  It's doing something
[2194.18 --> 2195.98]  now where it's processing
[2195.98 --> 2196.92]  my files or something
[2196.92 --> 2197.40]  like that,
[2197.48 --> 2199.52]  but I've got a 4K
[2199.52 --> 2201.60]  HEVC 10-bit test file
[2201.60 --> 2202.26]  that I know is
[2202.26 --> 2203.26]  of a very,
[2203.40 --> 2204.12]  very high codec
[2204.12 --> 2204.76]  and it just played
[2204.76 --> 2206.32]  instantly on my Mac.
[2206.56 --> 2207.64]  So if you turn on
[2207.64 --> 2208.90]  the iCloud sync settings,
[2208.90 --> 2209.70]  you can then go
[2209.70 --> 2210.90]  install it on your Apple TV
[2210.90 --> 2212.80]  and all of those directories
[2212.80 --> 2213.54]  and stuff will be there
[2213.54 --> 2214.54]  on the Apple TV immediately.
[2215.20 --> 2215.94]  It may have to do
[2215.94 --> 2216.44]  some scanning,
[2216.60 --> 2217.70]  but it's nice like that.
[2217.70 --> 2218.78]  And the thing about
[2218.78 --> 2219.38]  the Apple TV
[2219.38 --> 2221.30]  is the Apple processors
[2221.30 --> 2224.02]  have been really good CPUs
[2224.02 --> 2224.72]  for, what,
[2224.82 --> 2225.66]  five years now?
[2226.12 --> 2226.70]  And so even though
[2226.70 --> 2227.10]  it doesn't have
[2227.10 --> 2228.36]  the latest processor,
[2228.76 --> 2229.72]  it's still just about
[2229.72 --> 2230.60]  better than anything else
[2230.60 --> 2231.04]  that's shipping
[2231.04 --> 2232.26]  in any other set-top box.
[2232.44 --> 2233.88]  And that includes power use.
[2233.94 --> 2235.48]  It's a low-power device too.
[2235.82 --> 2236.80]  So it takes less power
[2236.80 --> 2237.74]  when I'm running on solar
[2237.74 --> 2239.02]  than the Shield does,
[2239.34 --> 2239.94]  which, you know,
[2240.04 --> 2240.78]  not a big difference
[2240.78 --> 2241.42]  with these devices,
[2241.58 --> 2242.64]  but I'll take every little gain
[2242.64 --> 2243.18]  I can get.
[2243.84 --> 2244.86]  Marginal gains, Chris?
[2244.98 --> 2245.68]  Marginal gains?
[2246.62 --> 2247.58]  Marginal gains matter
[2247.58 --> 2248.54]  in the solar business.
[2250.22 --> 2251.04]  Yeah, they do.
[2251.76 --> 2252.54]  Well, whilst we're on the topic
[2252.54 --> 2253.92]  of media servers,
[2254.12 --> 2255.44]  I know we talked about Jellyfin
[2255.44 --> 2256.72]  a couple of episodes ago.
[2256.96 --> 2258.42]  I mentioned it on LUP as well,
[2258.44 --> 2258.84]  I think.
[2259.54 --> 2260.28]  And Brent,
[2260.38 --> 2261.40]  I know you've been building
[2261.40 --> 2262.90]  a Jellyfin box
[2262.90 --> 2264.04]  for your family.
[2264.30 --> 2265.10]  How's that been going?
[2265.74 --> 2267.58]  Yeah, I finally dove in.
[2267.98 --> 2269.64]  I think I ran out of excuses
[2269.64 --> 2271.18]  to try Docker,
[2271.60 --> 2272.48]  try my hand at Docker,
[2272.80 --> 2274.18]  and Jellyfin was a nice
[2274.18 --> 2275.24]  excuse to do that.
[2276.68 --> 2277.84]  I have to say,
[2277.98 --> 2278.96]  I think it's the beginning
[2278.96 --> 2279.92]  of a new era for me,
[2280.34 --> 2281.18]  which is very exciting.
[2281.32 --> 2281.90]  I mean, you guys are
[2281.90 --> 2282.68]  old hand at this,
[2282.98 --> 2285.00]  but Jellyfin itself,
[2285.42 --> 2286.14]  I think I've been
[2286.14 --> 2286.64]  really impressed.
[2286.76 --> 2287.40]  It's the first time
[2287.40 --> 2288.78]  I really try to run
[2288.78 --> 2290.58]  a centralized media solution.
[2291.72 --> 2293.86]  And in my situation,
[2294.10 --> 2296.28]  my brother's in one home
[2296.28 --> 2297.80]  and about 90 steps away,
[2297.96 --> 2299.46]  I'm in another cabin
[2299.46 --> 2301.02]  and we kind of watch movies
[2301.02 --> 2301.98]  back and forth a lot.
[2301.98 --> 2303.72]  But we share a network,
[2303.92 --> 2304.58]  which is kind of neat.
[2305.06 --> 2306.52]  So I'm able to kind of
[2306.52 --> 2307.44]  optimize this thing
[2307.44 --> 2308.10]  while they're sitting there
[2308.10 --> 2308.70]  watching TV,
[2308.82 --> 2309.50]  which is kind of fun.
[2310.94 --> 2312.20]  But it just opened up
[2312.20 --> 2313.02]  a whole new world
[2313.02 --> 2314.10]  of possibility for me.
[2314.10 --> 2316.02]  I have always wanted
[2316.02 --> 2316.92]  to be able to,
[2316.98 --> 2317.40]  I don't know,
[2317.50 --> 2318.90]  sit at the dining room table
[2318.90 --> 2320.20]  and be able to put on
[2320.20 --> 2321.14]  my favorite album
[2321.14 --> 2322.36]  or change to,
[2322.54 --> 2323.76]  oh, I feel like jazz now.
[2324.18 --> 2326.06]  And I can see Jellyfin
[2326.06 --> 2327.68]  being able to do that
[2327.68 --> 2328.72]  because you can sort of
[2328.72 --> 2330.84]  tell it to play the music
[2330.84 --> 2331.84]  on a different device.
[2332.02 --> 2333.64]  And these are maybe
[2333.64 --> 2336.60]  features that I should have had
[2336.60 --> 2337.92]  in my life a long time ago.
[2338.10 --> 2339.00]  Like perhaps you two
[2339.00 --> 2340.02]  are just laughing at me
[2340.02 --> 2340.56]  because I'm late
[2340.56 --> 2341.30]  to the game here.
[2341.46 --> 2344.28]  But it sounds and feels
[2344.28 --> 2345.56]  really transformative, really.
[2346.66 --> 2347.32]  Well, I'll tell you,
[2347.36 --> 2348.60]  I'm curious because I know
[2348.60 --> 2350.82]  that we've shared Plex service
[2350.82 --> 2352.46]  with you for some time now.
[2352.60 --> 2353.98]  So you're pretty well familiar
[2353.98 --> 2355.50]  with Plex and how it feels
[2355.50 --> 2356.30]  and how it operates
[2356.30 --> 2357.24]  in its feature sets.
[2357.24 --> 2359.68]  How does it feel
[2359.68 --> 2361.80]  as a long time user of Plex
[2361.80 --> 2363.46]  switching over to Jellyfin?
[2364.36 --> 2366.84]  Yeah, I think I'm looking at it
[2366.84 --> 2367.80]  from a bit of a different
[2367.80 --> 2368.52]  perspective now
[2368.52 --> 2369.74]  because now I'm kind of
[2369.74 --> 2371.42]  administering Jellyfin,
[2371.52 --> 2372.84]  which I've never done with Plex.
[2373.16 --> 2374.76]  But as a pure user,
[2375.24 --> 2377.10]  and I will say I have
[2377.10 --> 2378.02]  much more experience
[2378.02 --> 2379.74]  with Plex in that regard,
[2380.70 --> 2383.00]  it doesn't seem quite as polished,
[2383.32 --> 2384.14]  but I could see that
[2384.14 --> 2385.24]  it's starting to get there.
[2385.36 --> 2385.94]  Like occasionally,
[2385.94 --> 2388.30]  I mean, I'm now using my,
[2389.10 --> 2390.54]  you know, the Jellyfin app
[2390.54 --> 2391.52]  on my Android phone
[2391.52 --> 2393.72]  to browse the interface
[2393.72 --> 2395.00]  and then sort of send that
[2395.00 --> 2396.10]  to the TV, right?
[2396.26 --> 2397.04]  So I'm doing things
[2397.04 --> 2398.14]  I never did with Plex.
[2398.56 --> 2401.40]  But occasionally that connection
[2401.40 --> 2402.88]  just kind of drops down.
[2403.10 --> 2406.40]  Like the TV portion of it
[2406.40 --> 2408.44]  will just kind of give a black screen
[2408.44 --> 2409.58]  and the interface just goes away.
[2409.66 --> 2409.96]  So there's,
[2410.10 --> 2411.72]  I can definitely see some glitches
[2411.72 --> 2413.42]  that I've pretty much
[2413.42 --> 2414.46]  never experienced with Plex,
[2414.46 --> 2414.84]  they'll say.
[2415.60 --> 2416.12]  Well, inevitably,
[2416.12 --> 2417.62]  this is what usually leads someone
[2417.62 --> 2418.78]  to just get a set-top box
[2418.78 --> 2419.54]  that connects to their TV
[2419.54 --> 2421.00]  and you just have a Plex client
[2421.00 --> 2422.26]  or a Jellyfin client
[2422.26 --> 2423.38]  on that device.
[2423.98 --> 2424.78]  And, you know,
[2424.98 --> 2426.02]  that's why Alex and I
[2426.02 --> 2426.88]  think about this a lot
[2426.88 --> 2429.44]  because you just want that
[2429.44 --> 2431.54]  to be a really nice experience.
[2431.54 --> 2432.54]  When you're sitting down,
[2432.62 --> 2433.48]  like we were sitting down
[2433.48 --> 2434.34]  to watch a movie
[2434.34 --> 2436.58]  and we were all hyped.
[2436.86 --> 2437.84]  It'd been a couple of nights
[2437.84 --> 2438.70]  we'd been talking about it.
[2438.72 --> 2439.44]  We finally sat down
[2439.44 --> 2440.26]  to watch the movie.
[2440.26 --> 2441.58]  I hit play
[2441.58 --> 2444.10]  and I had a file error.
[2445.66 --> 2446.72]  And I was able
[2446.72 --> 2447.56]  to resolve it quickly.
[2447.72 --> 2448.28]  I figured out
[2448.28 --> 2449.22]  what was wrong pretty quick.
[2449.30 --> 2449.80]  It probably took us
[2449.80 --> 2450.52]  about five minutes.
[2450.86 --> 2451.66]  But that is,
[2451.74 --> 2452.92]  it's so, like,
[2453.02 --> 2453.40]  disruptive
[2453.40 --> 2454.24]  because you got,
[2454.46 --> 2455.58]  you got a whole night going.
[2455.72 --> 2456.56]  It kills the momentum
[2456.56 --> 2457.86]  of the entire night
[2457.86 --> 2459.26]  for a good five minutes
[2459.26 --> 2462.30]  and that's a best-case scenario.
[2462.64 --> 2462.92]  You know?
[2463.04 --> 2464.04]  That's a best-case scenario
[2464.04 --> 2464.64]  of five minutes.
[2464.64 --> 2465.72]  I think it's by far
[2465.72 --> 2466.70]  the time of day
[2466.70 --> 2468.12]  you want to least be doing
[2468.12 --> 2469.18]  this kind of troubleshooting.
[2469.40 --> 2469.48]  Right.
[2469.90 --> 2471.34]  That's how I ultimately ended up
[2471.34 --> 2472.44]  going with just
[2472.44 --> 2473.76]  Apple TV and Infuse.
[2474.20 --> 2474.90]  But I like that you're
[2474.90 --> 2475.54]  going down this route.
[2475.66 --> 2476.84]  I'm actually kind of more excited
[2476.84 --> 2477.72]  that you're playing with Docker.
[2477.86 --> 2478.52]  I think that's going to be
[2478.52 --> 2479.08]  really great, too,
[2479.14 --> 2481.20]  because that's going to open you up
[2481.20 --> 2481.98]  to a world of trying
[2481.98 --> 2483.14]  all kinds of apps
[2483.14 --> 2485.50]  and those skills
[2485.50 --> 2487.04]  will work on any Linux box.
[2487.04 --> 2487.84]  If it's a, you know,
[2487.86 --> 2489.08]  a laptop, a server,
[2489.64 --> 2490.38]  or, you know,
[2490.44 --> 2491.32]  a VPS machine,
[2491.32 --> 2492.78]  it's the same commands
[2492.78 --> 2493.40]  and tools
[2493.40 --> 2494.46]  to install software
[2494.46 --> 2495.32]  on all of them.
[2496.28 --> 2497.78]  That sounds really nice.
[2497.92 --> 2498.68]  And I think it's also going
[2498.68 --> 2499.78]  to be a huge paradigm shift.
[2499.92 --> 2501.44]  You've both talked about
[2501.44 --> 2503.26]  how the day you kind of
[2503.26 --> 2504.18]  wrapped your head around Docker,
[2504.30 --> 2505.04]  your whole idea
[2505.04 --> 2507.04]  of how to run computers changed.
[2507.08 --> 2507.88]  And I'm really
[2507.88 --> 2508.98]  just starting that journey.
[2509.36 --> 2509.70]  For me,
[2509.90 --> 2512.08]  it was as an old IT guy
[2512.08 --> 2513.12]  that was doing this
[2513.12 --> 2514.24]  for, you know,
[2514.74 --> 2515.62]  for years before
[2515.62 --> 2517.26]  we even had anything
[2517.26 --> 2517.86]  like containers.
[2518.08 --> 2518.28]  I mean,
[2518.66 --> 2519.60]  FreeBSD had jails.
[2519.84 --> 2520.74]  But for me,
[2520.74 --> 2521.38]  it was finally
[2521.38 --> 2522.66]  a real solution
[2522.66 --> 2524.06]  to separate my application
[2524.06 --> 2525.04]  from my data.
[2525.62 --> 2526.68]  That had always been something
[2526.68 --> 2527.34]  that I thought
[2527.34 --> 2528.86]  the lines blurred too much
[2528.86 --> 2529.80]  when I would set up
[2529.80 --> 2530.46]  a home server.
[2531.12 --> 2532.18]  And with containers,
[2532.60 --> 2533.28]  Docker, I think,
[2533.34 --> 2534.48]  is the most widely
[2534.48 --> 2535.98]  used container technology.
[2536.40 --> 2536.98]  With containers,
[2537.20 --> 2539.10]  I finally had a really solid,
[2539.26 --> 2540.28]  reproducible way
[2540.28 --> 2541.74]  where I could
[2541.74 --> 2543.10]  blow away the application.
[2543.24 --> 2544.08]  I could completely
[2544.08 --> 2545.92]  destroy the container,
[2547.12 --> 2548.24]  pull down a fresh one.
[2548.68 --> 2550.12]  If the config was all the same
[2550.12 --> 2551.04]  in my Docker Compose,
[2551.10 --> 2552.36]  it just reconnects everything.
[2552.46 --> 2553.52]  It starts right back up.
[2554.24 --> 2554.80]  And that was the day
[2554.80 --> 2555.06]  I was like,
[2555.14 --> 2555.56]  oh man,
[2555.64 --> 2556.42]  this means I can
[2556.42 --> 2559.40]  finally move an application
[2559.40 --> 2560.62]  and its data around.
[2560.82 --> 2563.60]  I can pick all the data
[2563.60 --> 2564.64]  up off of one server,
[2565.08 --> 2566.16]  drop it on a new server,
[2566.58 --> 2567.98]  take that Docker Compose file,
[2568.46 --> 2569.38]  pull down the image,
[2569.46 --> 2570.20]  and it reconnects
[2570.20 --> 2571.12]  like it's always been
[2571.12 --> 2572.02]  running on that box.
[2572.08 --> 2573.08]  It just fires right up.
[2573.26 --> 2575.20]  And it makes disaster recovery
[2575.20 --> 2576.24]  such a thing of beauty.
[2576.24 --> 2577.80]  And it makes actually
[2577.80 --> 2578.84]  being able to move
[2578.84 --> 2579.66]  off of a box
[2579.66 --> 2580.42]  so much easier.
[2580.54 --> 2581.48]  So when you need to grow
[2581.48 --> 2582.44]  and expand down the road,
[2582.50 --> 2583.34]  it's so much simpler.
[2584.06 --> 2584.16]  You know,
[2584.22 --> 2585.62]  I was giving this also
[2585.62 --> 2587.82]  as a gift to my brother's wife
[2587.82 --> 2589.32]  because she loves watching
[2589.32 --> 2590.70]  videos and stuff.
[2590.76 --> 2591.16]  And we don't have
[2591.16 --> 2592.08]  the greatest internet connection,
[2592.20 --> 2592.56]  as you know.
[2592.82 --> 2594.42]  And so I've been ripping
[2594.42 --> 2595.76]  all of her favorite DVDs.
[2595.80 --> 2597.18]  She has just boxes of them.
[2597.38 --> 2598.90]  And so this was a nice gift to give.
[2599.26 --> 2600.10]  But the morning,
[2600.62 --> 2601.22]  Christmas morning,
[2601.22 --> 2601.58]  I thought,
[2601.68 --> 2601.86]  okay,
[2601.94 --> 2603.02]  I had stayed up late,
[2603.16 --> 2603.38]  you know,
[2603.46 --> 2604.54]  putting a bunch of stuff on there,
[2604.60 --> 2605.42]  make sure everything works.
[2605.42 --> 2606.10]  And that morning,
[2606.54 --> 2608.24]  for whatever reason,
[2609.28 --> 2610.92]  the interface on Jellyfin
[2610.92 --> 2612.42]  just stopped working.
[2612.70 --> 2614.42]  I couldn't access it.
[2614.50 --> 2615.10]  I couldn't do anything.
[2615.22 --> 2615.50]  And I thought,
[2615.58 --> 2616.06]  Oh, that's brutal.
[2616.36 --> 2617.64]  Oh, this is hard-sinking.
[2618.80 --> 2620.24]  And I think Christmas morning
[2620.24 --> 2621.18]  is maybe not the time
[2621.18 --> 2621.80]  to be troubleshooting.
[2621.94 --> 2623.08]  But what I ended up doing
[2623.08 --> 2623.58]  was just,
[2623.70 --> 2623.90]  okay,
[2623.94 --> 2625.00]  I'm going to start from scratch.
[2625.08 --> 2625.78]  It wasn't that hard
[2625.78 --> 2628.16]  to kind of build this thing.
[2628.54 --> 2630.06]  So I'm just going to
[2630.06 --> 2631.44]  delete the container
[2631.44 --> 2632.86]  and start it over again.
[2632.86 --> 2635.44]  And I had that aha moment
[2635.44 --> 2636.54]  that you just described,
[2636.66 --> 2637.10]  which was,
[2637.44 --> 2639.24]  brought the container up
[2639.24 --> 2639.92]  and then everything
[2639.92 --> 2640.56]  was identical
[2640.56 --> 2642.10]  to the way I had left it,
[2642.14 --> 2643.16]  except it was now working.
[2643.48 --> 2645.02]  And that was the lightbulb moment
[2645.02 --> 2645.50]  where I was like,
[2645.84 --> 2645.96]  oh,
[2646.02 --> 2647.02]  not only have I rescued
[2647.02 --> 2647.90]  my Christmas gift,
[2648.10 --> 2650.54]  but this is amazing.
[2652.10 --> 2655.06]  And it just then made me realize,
[2655.18 --> 2655.48]  okay,
[2655.64 --> 2656.00]  I'm,
[2656.18 --> 2657.62]  I got to do this everywhere.
[2657.78 --> 2658.08]  There's,
[2658.24 --> 2658.92]  there's no way
[2658.92 --> 2660.72]  that I don't want to be playing
[2660.72 --> 2661.26]  much,
[2661.36 --> 2662.10]  much more with this.
[2662.10 --> 2663.30]  I do have a few questions
[2663.30 --> 2664.06]  for each of you though.
[2665.74 --> 2667.44]  I was constantly wanting
[2667.44 --> 2669.64]  to use the tools
[2669.64 --> 2671.66]  that I've had for many years
[2671.66 --> 2674.46]  to try to interact somehow with,
[2674.72 --> 2675.80]  like for troubleshooting.
[2675.92 --> 2676.10]  I was like,
[2676.14 --> 2676.28]  okay,
[2676.28 --> 2677.22]  this thing's not working anymore.
[2677.32 --> 2678.58]  How do I troubleshoot this thing?
[2678.64 --> 2679.76]  And I know it's a whole world,
[2680.30 --> 2682.20]  but any like beginner tips
[2682.20 --> 2683.22]  on how to interact
[2683.22 --> 2684.46]  with these containers
[2684.46 --> 2687.18]  and how to make them easy,
[2687.24 --> 2687.50]  I guess.
[2688.84 --> 2689.24]  Right.
[2689.24 --> 2690.56]  I have a webpage
[2690.56 --> 2692.86]  over at perfectmediaserver.com,
[2693.06 --> 2693.62]  of course,
[2694.04 --> 2694.80]  which I'll put a link to
[2694.80 --> 2695.48]  in the show notes,
[2695.76 --> 2696.36]  which will hopefully
[2696.36 --> 2697.18]  take you through
[2697.18 --> 2698.66]  all of the basics
[2698.66 --> 2700.44]  of my ethos
[2700.44 --> 2701.84]  on why you should be
[2701.84 --> 2703.14]  thinking about using containers.
[2703.48 --> 2703.92]  Largely,
[2704.00 --> 2704.88]  it's a regurgitation
[2704.88 --> 2706.06]  of what Brent's just said.
[2706.82 --> 2707.60]  But then throughout
[2707.60 --> 2708.40]  the rest of the page,
[2708.44 --> 2709.22]  it talks about things
[2709.22 --> 2710.48]  like Docker Compose,
[2710.70 --> 2712.16]  where you get your containers
[2712.16 --> 2713.20]  from and why
[2713.20 --> 2713.98]  and how do you pick
[2713.98 --> 2714.66]  one over another
[2714.66 --> 2715.84]  and what about Podman
[2715.84 --> 2716.96]  and all those kinds of things.
[2716.96 --> 2718.92]  So if you have
[2718.92 --> 2719.92]  a bunch of questions,
[2720.50 --> 2721.20]  I would direct you
[2721.20 --> 2721.86]  to that page.
[2722.56 --> 2723.78]  I'll just say quickly,
[2723.88 --> 2724.36]  just to help you
[2724.36 --> 2725.26]  get your head around it,
[2725.62 --> 2727.00]  like you got to realize
[2727.00 --> 2727.60]  that it's own
[2727.60 --> 2728.60]  contained environment.
[2728.74 --> 2729.72]  So if you want to execute
[2729.72 --> 2730.64]  a command in there
[2730.64 --> 2731.38]  or something like that,
[2731.52 --> 2732.38]  you have to use
[2732.38 --> 2734.20]  the Docker command line tools
[2734.20 --> 2735.54]  to execute the command
[2735.54 --> 2736.72]  inside that container.
[2736.98 --> 2737.78]  The other thing
[2737.78 --> 2738.66]  that's kind of nice
[2738.66 --> 2739.78]  about Docker Compose,
[2739.86 --> 2740.56]  well, there's a lot of ways
[2740.56 --> 2741.24]  to do this,
[2741.80 --> 2743.20]  but I think Docker Compose
[2743.20 --> 2744.54]  is probably the best way
[2744.54 --> 2745.22]  for a new beginner,
[2745.22 --> 2746.98]  is when you launch
[2746.98 --> 2748.02]  an app with Docker Compose,
[2748.06 --> 2749.46]  you can do Docker Compose up
[2749.46 --> 2751.42]  and if you don't tell it
[2751.42 --> 2751.84]  to otherwise,
[2752.04 --> 2753.02]  it'll give you the output
[2753.02 --> 2753.64]  on the screen
[2753.64 --> 2754.48]  and you can sit there
[2754.48 --> 2755.60]  and watch the log output.
[2755.80 --> 2756.20]  Oh, that actually
[2756.20 --> 2756.98]  sounds really interesting.
[2757.10 --> 2757.86]  Yeah, it's logs.
[2757.96 --> 2759.28]  Really, the key to your answer
[2759.28 --> 2760.08]  is you want logs.
[2760.36 --> 2761.74]  So however you have it,
[2761.84 --> 2762.76]  whatever tool you're using,
[2762.84 --> 2763.34]  you just want to be able
[2763.34 --> 2763.98]  to get to the logs.
[2764.04 --> 2764.80]  That's really what I wanted
[2764.80 --> 2766.12]  and I had no idea
[2766.12 --> 2766.76]  how to get to it.
[2766.82 --> 2768.30]  So I just kind of
[2768.30 --> 2769.00]  nuked the whole thing
[2769.00 --> 2771.56]  and yet that gave me
[2771.56 --> 2772.42]  exactly what I was looking for.
[2772.52 --> 2772.98]  So I don't think
[2772.98 --> 2774.02]  that'll be the case every time,
[2774.02 --> 2775.22]  but in this case,
[2775.26 --> 2775.76]  it worked nicely.
[2776.28 --> 2777.26]  There is an alias
[2777.26 --> 2777.98]  that I use
[2777.98 --> 2779.42]  which I created
[2779.42 --> 2780.48]  a long, long time ago
[2780.48 --> 2781.40]  called Detail.
[2781.64 --> 2782.04]  Literally,
[2782.26 --> 2782.98]  D-tail
[2782.98 --> 2783.96]  slammed together
[2783.96 --> 2784.62]  as one word.
[2785.74 --> 2786.46]  And for me,
[2786.50 --> 2786.94]  what that does
[2786.94 --> 2787.86]  is it prints out
[2787.86 --> 2789.52]  the last 50 lines.
[2789.64 --> 2791.22]  It tails the last 50 lines
[2791.22 --> 2792.02]  of a container's
[2792.02 --> 2792.72]  standard output.
[2793.46 --> 2794.02]  Oh, that's nice.
[2794.30 --> 2794.72]  So one thing
[2794.72 --> 2795.44]  you'll run into
[2795.44 --> 2796.70]  with containers
[2796.70 --> 2798.30]  is that not every app
[2798.30 --> 2799.78]  logs the standard out
[2799.78 --> 2800.46]  by default.
[2800.46 --> 2801.44]  And so sometimes
[2801.44 --> 2803.16]  you'll look at the logs
[2803.16 --> 2803.82]  for that container
[2803.82 --> 2804.78]  and you won't see
[2804.78 --> 2806.16]  anything in the logs.
[2806.52 --> 2807.68]  So you might need to,
[2807.78 --> 2808.84]  for that particular application,
[2809.20 --> 2810.14]  enable things like
[2810.14 --> 2811.58]  debug or error logging
[2811.58 --> 2813.34]  or higher modes,
[2813.46 --> 2813.70]  sorry,
[2813.76 --> 2814.34]  than error logging,
[2814.52 --> 2814.76]  you know,
[2814.82 --> 2815.76]  more than warning
[2815.76 --> 2816.40]  or info,
[2816.50 --> 2817.18]  those kind of things.
[2817.18 --> 2817.92]  You need to turn it up
[2817.92 --> 2818.52]  to the highest
[2818.52 --> 2820.10]  chattiness that it has
[2820.10 --> 2820.64]  in the logs.
[2821.42 --> 2822.28]  Some containers,
[2822.40 --> 2823.32]  that will drive your potty.
[2823.44 --> 2824.10]  Other containers,
[2824.24 --> 2825.38]  it's the bare minimum.
[2826.58 --> 2827.52]  Traffic's a good example
[2827.52 --> 2828.70]  of where they don't
[2828.70 --> 2829.58]  put enough stuff
[2829.58 --> 2830.56]  in the logs
[2830.56 --> 2831.44]  that they should.
[2832.86 --> 2833.64]  We've mentioned it
[2833.64 --> 2834.38]  on the show before,
[2834.46 --> 2835.06]  but there's a tool
[2835.06 --> 2835.74]  called Dozzle,
[2835.96 --> 2836.94]  which will put your
[2836.94 --> 2837.96]  containers logs
[2837.96 --> 2839.22]  into a browser
[2839.22 --> 2840.32]  and then you can search
[2840.32 --> 2841.76]  through the containers
[2841.76 --> 2843.06]  running on a specific box
[2843.06 --> 2843.86]  and look at the logs
[2843.86 --> 2844.40]  in a browser
[2844.40 --> 2845.98]  if you want to do it
[2845.98 --> 2846.62]  that way as well.
[2847.86 --> 2848.82]  Well, before we go,
[2848.88 --> 2849.50]  I should mention
[2849.50 --> 2850.38]  we're doing a meetup
[2850.38 --> 2851.46]  at the end of January
[2851.46 --> 2852.32]  here at the studio,
[2852.44 --> 2853.30]  January 30th.
[2853.30 --> 2853.96]  It's a Sunday.
[2854.42 --> 2855.40]  We'll do a live recording
[2855.40 --> 2856.26]  of Linux Unplugged
[2856.26 --> 2857.92]  and then it's a hang and chow.
[2858.24 --> 2859.14]  I have a birthday
[2859.14 --> 2859.84]  around there,
[2859.96 --> 2860.62]  so it's kind of
[2860.62 --> 2862.00]  a half birthday celebration,
[2862.26 --> 2862.88]  but I'm not making
[2862.88 --> 2863.80]  a big deal about that
[2863.80 --> 2864.60]  because I don't want people
[2864.60 --> 2866.38]  to think it's a birthday thing.
[2867.00 --> 2867.90]  I did buy some bubbly
[2867.90 --> 2868.62]  for you that I hid
[2868.62 --> 2869.24]  in the fridge.
[2869.40 --> 2869.52]  Really?
[2869.64 --> 2870.60]  So there'll have to be
[2870.60 --> 2871.84]  a birthday pop
[2871.84 --> 2872.72]  of the cork on that one.
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[2873.62 --> 2874.80]  slash Jupiter Broadcasting.
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[2876.32 --> 2877.64]  or you want to fly in
[2877.64 --> 2878.54]  on your private jet,
[2878.60 --> 2879.80]  we do have an airport nearby.
[2880.44 --> 2881.28]  You can go there.
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[2883.58 --> 2884.58]  slash Jupiter Broadcasting
[2884.58 --> 2884.98]  for that.
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[2909.74 --> 2910.78]  I'm really sorry, Chris,
[2910.82 --> 2911.52]  but I won't be able
[2911.52 --> 2913.22]  to fly in on my private jet
[2913.22 --> 2914.26]  for your birthday party.
[2914.26 --> 2916.04]  That's all right.
[2916.14 --> 2917.94]  I understand.
[2918.38 --> 2919.72]  We should really fly to you.
[2919.98 --> 2920.56]  I mean, you're the one
[2920.56 --> 2921.72]  with the newborn, so.
[2921.86 --> 2922.34]  And the weather.
[2922.50 --> 2923.22]  It's really our fault.
[2923.92 --> 2924.32]  I do.
[2924.50 --> 2925.04]  You know, you're up
[2925.04 --> 2926.02]  in the frozen tundra
[2926.02 --> 2926.78]  up in the north.
[2926.94 --> 2928.32]  You know, it's vaguely
[2928.32 --> 2929.34]  warm down here at the moment.
[2930.94 --> 2931.72]  Yeah, it's rough
[2931.72 --> 2932.24]  here in Seattle.
[2932.24 --> 2933.94]  We're known for our rough winters,
[2934.04 --> 2934.78]  that's for sure.
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