[0.08 --> 2.50] Today's episode is a really exciting one for me. [3.06 --> 5.70] It's the culmination of five years' work. [6.00 --> 9.66] The perfect media server is now, well, I'll save it for the show. [10.06 --> 11.68] We also respond to a ton of your feedback. [11.96 --> 13.50] This is Self-Hosted 35. [15.00 --> 17.50] Well, Alex, I'll admit it right here on the show, [17.66 --> 20.66] I set up yet another SyncThing server this weekend. [21.00 --> 23.54] You thought you'd leave 2020 behind in style, hey? [24.10 --> 25.86] I wanted more speed, Alex. [25.92 --> 29.58] Actually, it really came down to me doing the math and realizing, [29.58 --> 33.92] hey, you know, when I switch networks, it kind of slows the syncing down. [34.28 --> 37.02] But if I can pull from multiple Sync servers, [37.62 --> 40.64] it kind of makes up for it and goes even faster in ideal situations. [40.80 --> 44.58] So I thought, why not set up a SyncThing server on Linode [44.58 --> 47.80] and just sync a small select stuff that I really want to move fast? [48.56 --> 51.10] And it legit works. It's really nice. [51.76 --> 54.52] It's like doubles the amount of files that can be transferred at once, too, [55.02 --> 56.88] from what I can tell in my brief testing. [56.88 --> 59.64] I'll be honest, I haven't continued with SyncThing [59.64 --> 61.62] after we talked about it a couple of episodes ago. [61.96 --> 62.80] It just doesn't work for me. [62.88 --> 64.58] It just doesn't do it, I'm afraid. [64.84 --> 66.16] But I'm glad it's working for you. [66.54 --> 67.86] You're a hater. I understand. [68.30 --> 69.46] I understand. I understand. [69.64 --> 71.16] I love it. [71.52 --> 80.10] I think 2020 is the year that I stepped into a long-term relationship with SyncThing. [80.10 --> 84.18] And it's not like I'm working on files super quick [84.18 --> 85.54] and I want to move it between machines [85.54 --> 88.42] and I want to edit a file upstairs and then walk down into the studio [88.42 --> 90.06] and have that file on my desktop. [90.68 --> 94.26] It may be able to serve that function, but I've learned not to expect that. [94.58 --> 97.28] The one caveat I do have with SyncThing [97.28 --> 99.94] is you've got to let it go at its own pace. [100.22 --> 101.46] You've got to let it go at its own pace. [101.96 --> 103.56] And that's why I love online learning, too. [103.62 --> 106.04] And this episode is brought to you by the all-new A Cloud Guru, [106.04 --> 109.82] the leader in learning for cloud Linux and other modern tech skills. [110.16 --> 112.62] Hundreds of courses, thousands of hands-on labs. [112.72 --> 116.48] Get certified, get hired, get learning at acloudguru.com. [117.02 --> 119.14] Well, Alex, I think we should start the show today by, [119.38 --> 121.34] well, maybe we started by talking about SyncThing, [121.44 --> 125.76] but now we should start talking about a project in various forms, at least, [125.82 --> 127.96] you've been working on for about five years. [128.16 --> 132.92] And I think, if I'm not wrong, it's like about to reach its ultimate form. [133.32 --> 134.06] Perhaps, yeah. [134.06 --> 136.58] Well, I mean, as we record, it's still 2020, [136.90 --> 139.58] but I think this is going to come out on New Year's morning. [139.76 --> 141.34] So Happy New Year, everybody. [141.78 --> 142.74] Welcome to 2021. [143.20 --> 146.12] Hopefully, it's more prosperous than the last one was. [146.62 --> 149.02] We're talking about my perfect media server project. [149.26 --> 152.64] So this was something that, when I was involved with linuxserver.io, [152.80 --> 159.12] that actually helped me kind of form the direction for that site [159.12 --> 160.60] and the blog and stuff like that. [160.60 --> 169.48] So on the 2nd of February 2016, I wrote a post about what I called the perfect media server, [169.66 --> 171.56] for want of a better name, and it's kind of stuck now. [171.96 --> 174.70] It's bold, but now you've kind of become the perfect media server guy. [174.94 --> 176.08] Yeah, I guess so. [176.92 --> 179.06] You know, I've toyed with changing the name a few times, [179.18 --> 181.18] but enough people have seen it. [181.44 --> 182.64] And, you know, I've looked at the analytics, [182.64 --> 185.88] and a lot of people have read that post over the years. [187.16 --> 189.16] In fact, funnily enough, when I moved to Raleigh, [189.22 --> 191.54] one of my closest friends now, who's also called Alex, [192.16 --> 194.92] he joined Linux server originally. [195.14 --> 196.52] He's now one of the Linux server devs. [196.74 --> 200.36] He joined that website because he read my perfect media server post. [200.90 --> 203.62] And so when I came to town, like, he met up with me, [203.66 --> 205.90] and we had a few beers and stuff like that. [205.90 --> 209.22] And he was so excited to tell me that he'd built one as well around, [209.30 --> 213.68] you know, Docker and Snap Raid and Merger FS and all this kind of stuff. [213.82 --> 217.72] So it's been a really cool thing to share with the world. [218.26 --> 221.88] Well, you also got a great domain name for it, perfectmediaserver.com. [221.98 --> 222.78] Is that new? [223.12 --> 223.96] Brand new, yes. [224.30 --> 228.98] I, well, when I say brand new, I mean, I bought it in June. [228.98 --> 238.52] I've been promising a 2020 version of this article for rather longer than I would like. [238.82 --> 243.58] So I released one in 2016, another one in 17, and another one in 19. [244.06 --> 246.66] And, you know, when you start thinking about what can I write about [246.66 --> 249.70] with these perfect media servers, [249.96 --> 253.72] when everything is just so reliable and just works, [254.78 --> 256.46] there comes a limit when you think, [256.46 --> 260.10] well, I can't really rehash the same thing again and again. [261.38 --> 264.78] And so this time I was looking at the three posts. [265.08 --> 267.74] And since I'm no longer involved with Linux server, [267.92 --> 271.06] I don't have access to edit those blog posts easily anymore. [271.22 --> 273.48] I mean, I can ask the team to fix things and stuff, [273.64 --> 276.32] but invariably information goes out of date. [276.66 --> 280.18] And I am a huge advocate of open source [280.18 --> 284.56] and community contributions and wikis and all that kind of stuff. [284.56 --> 288.18] And so I just thought that this would make much more sense [288.18 --> 293.38] as a kind of a wiki type website with first class search categories, [293.72 --> 296.22] walking people through how to do things, [296.28 --> 298.10] you know, in a step-by-step kind of fashion, [298.38 --> 302.30] and then leave the blog posts as kind of like an annual opinion piece [302.30 --> 305.50] alongside this more kind of dry, [305.68 --> 309.80] technical wiki style website at perfectmediaserver.com. [309.80 --> 311.18] Okay, that makes a lot of sense. [311.74 --> 315.86] And I think probably the real value for people to understand is [315.86 --> 318.64] you're telling people there's a lot of options out there, [318.74 --> 320.82] but maybe this is a great stack to use. [320.88 --> 321.78] You can use this stack. [321.88 --> 322.60] I've tested this. [322.68 --> 329.54] I've refined it over the years to do really a beyond just okay media setup, [329.58 --> 330.74] but a great home media setup. [330.96 --> 333.76] And instead of saying, oh, there's so many use cases [333.76 --> 336.54] or the answer, which is frequently it depends, [336.98 --> 338.60] you make some opinionated decisions [338.60 --> 341.12] and kind of point people in a direction [341.12 --> 342.34] and then lay out how to do it. [342.66 --> 345.88] And I think that's maybe, for me, the real value of the site. [345.88 --> 348.98] I think as well, a lot of people come to Linux, [349.04 --> 350.34] and I've said this before on the show, [350.94 --> 353.70] a lot of people come to Linux not through the desktop, [354.14 --> 356.34] but through Plex, [356.62 --> 358.90] through running headless apps on a Synology [358.90 --> 360.88] or a Raspberry Pi or something like that. [360.88 --> 364.54] And once you start having a box in your house [364.54 --> 367.46] that does everything 24 hours a day, [367.62 --> 369.16] that is on 24 hours a day, [369.58 --> 370.82] you think, what else could I do with it? [371.04 --> 374.04] And that single spark is a huge rabbit hole. [374.20 --> 377.12] And I think one of my primary goals with the site [377.12 --> 379.38] is to equip those newer people [379.38 --> 383.74] with the skills that they need to install Ubuntu, [384.82 --> 385.94] set up MergerFS, [386.48 --> 388.16] figure out what an FS tab is, [388.16 --> 391.02] and not be intimidated by, you know, [391.22 --> 396.10] wading through lots of different disparate documentation [396.10 --> 397.94] across different places on the internet. [398.04 --> 399.22] It's just all in one place. [399.88 --> 402.78] And if you want to have multiple hard drives [402.78 --> 405.32] in a single box that are of mismatched sizes [405.32 --> 406.80] with different file systems, [407.24 --> 408.58] well, here's a solution for you. [409.10 --> 410.70] You've already got data on these drives. [410.78 --> 411.88] You don't want to do RAID. [412.22 --> 413.04] Great, cool. [413.14 --> 414.66] Come along and join the party. [414.66 --> 416.62] Yeah, and honestly, [416.92 --> 418.98] it's a lot of the stack that we talk about frequently. [419.34 --> 420.58] You talk about Docker, [420.76 --> 422.34] kind of some of the background in there, [422.40 --> 423.02] how to get it going. [423.34 --> 425.12] And you work your way up through [425.12 --> 426.76] how to manage multiple disks [426.76 --> 427.88] of different sizes, like you say. [427.96 --> 428.54] But then also, [429.08 --> 430.32] if you want to go ZFS, [430.70 --> 433.78] and here's also a Proxmox layer you should consider, [434.68 --> 436.44] any one of those could be broken out [436.44 --> 438.42] and really have nothing to do [438.42 --> 440.30] with building a media server. [440.64 --> 442.28] So it's kind of valuable in that way too, I suppose. [442.28 --> 444.00] So I mentioned that just for the audience [444.00 --> 446.02] who's not interested in building a media server, [446.16 --> 449.04] but does want to learn more about Docker [449.04 --> 452.36] or MergerFS or SnapRate or ZFS or Proxmox [452.36 --> 454.88] or hardware, any of that kind of stack, [454.96 --> 456.24] stuff we talk about on this show [456.24 --> 458.16] and you want to read something from Alex on it, [458.68 --> 459.52] you can find it there too. [459.66 --> 462.42] And I could totally have seen a guy like me, [463.24 --> 465.10] maybe if I was building my media server setup [465.10 --> 465.90] for the first time, [466.22 --> 467.18] I'd be thinking, okay, [467.24 --> 468.52] I know I want to use containers, [468.70 --> 470.00] but I don't quite know how [470.00 --> 472.60] and in what way to use them to do this right. [473.24 --> 474.52] I know about MergerFS, [474.80 --> 476.42] but I don't know how to deploy it. [476.52 --> 478.62] And so having you write something, [479.52 --> 481.04] having used this stuff in production [481.04 --> 482.16] for five years now, [482.70 --> 484.16] there's value to that. [484.46 --> 486.08] So you should be the perfect media server guy. [486.56 --> 487.88] I think that's, I said good on you. [488.20 --> 490.02] You be the perfect media server guy [490.02 --> 492.84] because I endorse this media server build here. [492.94 --> 494.80] You are, Chris, and you support this message. [495.04 --> 496.08] I wonder what the cost is. [496.12 --> 496.92] Have you thought about that? [496.92 --> 499.44] Have you thought about like what the cost would be [499.44 --> 502.38] for a minimal build of something from this guide? [502.64 --> 503.58] Well, in terms of hardware? [504.60 --> 505.58] Yeah, in terms of hardware. [506.00 --> 507.66] I think QuickSync now for me [507.66 --> 509.50] is a minimum price of entry [509.50 --> 511.54] after everything we talked about in the last episode. [512.24 --> 515.04] So a hundred bucks for a CPU. [515.76 --> 517.32] You can probably find a used motherboard [517.32 --> 518.82] that will do the trick for a hundred dollars. [519.02 --> 520.74] Again, RAM is about a hundred. [521.44 --> 522.66] And then hard drives. [522.74 --> 524.00] For an eight terabyte hard drive now, [524.00 --> 525.30] you can go to Best Buy and pick one up [525.30 --> 528.14] for around 130, 140. [528.58 --> 529.86] So I don't know. [529.92 --> 531.86] Let's say 140. [532.88 --> 533.42] What's that? [533.50 --> 537.14] It's like $1,100 or so for hard drives. [538.06 --> 538.86] I don't know, $1,500. [539.60 --> 541.44] I think all in would get you [541.44 --> 543.58] five, eight terabyte drives [543.58 --> 545.00] of 40 terabytes of storage [545.00 --> 548.28] for $1,500 all in. [548.28 --> 550.92] And you own it forever. [551.68 --> 552.54] It's, you know, you're not, [553.40 --> 555.10] I mean, Synology make a great product. [555.20 --> 557.68] So do QNAP and Unraid's also great, [557.78 --> 558.82] but it's not open source. [559.68 --> 562.50] Free NAS requires learning ZFS, [563.16 --> 565.72] which I know I talk about in Perfect Media Server, [565.82 --> 569.94] but it's kind of orthogonal to the main content. [570.06 --> 571.82] It's not required learning. [571.98 --> 574.44] Whereas with a True NAS or a Free NAS product, [574.66 --> 575.24] it is. [575.24 --> 578.50] It's just the most flexible thing for most people. [578.64 --> 581.32] And I think when you start looking at [581.32 --> 582.86] putting together one of these servers, [583.00 --> 585.80] $1,500 isn't a small upfront investment. [586.00 --> 586.50] And you think, right, [586.56 --> 587.84] well, where can I cut some costs? [587.94 --> 590.64] And the obvious answer is the hard drives. [591.06 --> 592.60] You know, rather than buying five, [592.70 --> 594.58] let's only buy a couple, right? [594.60 --> 596.90] And then I'll add the other three [596.90 --> 598.12] over the next year or two. [598.90 --> 600.20] MergerFS lets me do that. [600.28 --> 603.40] It lets me add drives as my collection grows [603.40 --> 607.60] without having to re-silver a ZFS array [607.60 --> 611.40] or rebuild a RAID setup or anything like that. [611.44 --> 613.36] It just grows as I do, [613.42 --> 614.66] and it changes and matures. [615.00 --> 616.66] And because it's just Linux, [617.00 --> 620.16] it's open and I can go and tinker [620.16 --> 621.52] as deep as I want under the hood. [621.90 --> 623.40] Or again, because it's Linux, [623.56 --> 624.96] it will just work. [625.04 --> 625.76] It's just reliable. [626.02 --> 628.16] It's battle-tested and hardened everywhere. [628.16 --> 632.58] So I really do think that if you're willing [632.58 --> 636.34] to put the time in and learn a little bit of this stuff [636.34 --> 638.92] with the information that's provided here for you, [639.12 --> 640.10] for free, I might add, [640.14 --> 641.76] I don't make a penny off of this stuff. [642.20 --> 643.62] Anyway, I never have. [643.68 --> 644.90] I just wanted to give this information [644.90 --> 645.90] back to the community. [646.76 --> 648.72] I don't think there's a better solution, really, [648.80 --> 650.12] if you're willing to put the effort in. [650.92 --> 652.44] And I'll just give one more mention, [652.76 --> 654.14] because as you were talking there, [654.14 --> 656.30] I was just also reviewing your QuickSync [656.30 --> 657.68] and Proxmox page. [658.18 --> 659.98] And damn, you put some work into this. [660.46 --> 662.38] But I also, I think it's pretty clever [662.38 --> 665.18] that you embedded the relevant JB content [665.18 --> 667.42] where we've talked about a lot of this stuff in depth [667.42 --> 668.96] when it still holds up. [669.04 --> 671.76] So not only do you get a lot of the written stuff [671.76 --> 672.72] and the visual examples, [672.88 --> 675.26] but you've got a video from Wendell in here too. [675.44 --> 678.14] And so you add the supplemental media content. [678.94 --> 682.48] I could see us linking this to a lot of people [682.48 --> 684.16] that write into the show and ask questions [684.16 --> 684.96] about this stuff. [685.78 --> 687.58] If I were going to contribute one area, [687.68 --> 688.68] I just thought to troll you, [688.74 --> 690.40] I'd probably contribute using ButterFS. [690.96 --> 693.96] Because literally everything you just said [693.96 --> 696.44] about MergerFS is why I use ButterFS. [698.14 --> 699.50] Seriously, like word for word. [699.76 --> 702.62] So on the ZFS page, [702.76 --> 705.28] there's a whole section about what about ButterFS. [706.72 --> 708.20] Okay, good. [708.24 --> 709.24] You've addressed it, I can see. [709.76 --> 711.12] Well, a little bit. [711.12 --> 714.14] And my conclusion was that using ButterFS [714.14 --> 717.06] would probably be easier than ZFS [717.06 --> 720.08] simply because it's shipped as part of the Linux kernel. [720.34 --> 724.02] But I've invested in ZFS mentally, [724.20 --> 727.32] but also I've synced six, [727.46 --> 730.82] seven terabytes worth of data across the ocean to the UK. [731.36 --> 733.14] And I don't want to have to spend another [733.14 --> 736.58] six or seven weeks doing that again if I switch. [736.92 --> 738.80] Well, ironically, it's more about [738.80 --> 740.48] it's more about how you use MergerFS. [741.00 --> 742.92] However, I think, you know, both are gray. [743.02 --> 744.72] And if MergerFS is working for you, [745.52 --> 747.16] I'm not, I will really not, I'm just more teasing. [747.64 --> 749.22] But it did strike me [749.22 --> 752.08] that being able to join mismatched disks [752.08 --> 753.66] and add them as it grows [753.66 --> 755.06] and be able to remove them easily [755.06 --> 757.74] is why I switched to using ButterFS [757.74 --> 759.26] on my Raspberry Pi media servers. [759.26 --> 760.36] Because I needed something [760.36 --> 762.54] that essentially was no cost. [762.54 --> 764.74] Since ButterFS is built into the kernel [764.74 --> 767.18] and it also doesn't have a high, [767.28 --> 768.86] it's a very efficient file system. [768.94 --> 770.10] There's not a big performance penalty. [770.24 --> 771.24] I don't need a lot of RAM. [771.94 --> 773.04] It meant that I didn't have to install [773.04 --> 775.28] any additional software at all. [775.62 --> 778.50] And actually no additional config files or anything. [778.74 --> 779.40] There's no config. [779.50 --> 781.86] It's just, it's all just with volume management [781.86 --> 782.74] on the command line. [782.82 --> 783.72] And it's very simple. [783.84 --> 785.92] It's like ButterFS add volume [785.92 --> 786.86] and you give it the path [786.86 --> 788.16] and you tell it what volume to add to [788.16 --> 789.02] and boom, you're done. [789.22 --> 789.76] And then remove. [789.76 --> 790.90] And as long as you have enough space, [790.98 --> 791.80] it sinks everything off [791.80 --> 792.56] and you can remove it. [792.76 --> 794.68] And I actually have not tested that. [794.80 --> 796.14] I could imagine it being tricky. [796.66 --> 797.66] But I think, you know, [797.76 --> 799.60] it's, there's different ways [799.60 --> 800.56] to solve all of these. [800.72 --> 802.36] And what you've done here with this [802.36 --> 803.66] is said, well, these are ways [803.66 --> 807.36] that not only are very sensible solutions, [807.36 --> 808.32] but ones that I've tested. [808.74 --> 810.04] And that's the value again. [810.12 --> 811.24] Like, yeah, I could add something [811.24 --> 811.84] about ButterFS, [812.18 --> 815.12] but there's limited value in it. [815.22 --> 816.44] You know, it's my experience. [816.98 --> 817.80] And this is something [817.80 --> 819.16] that you've worked at for a long time. [819.16 --> 820.70] So I think it's, yeah, [820.88 --> 822.20] I think MurderFS is a great solution [822.20 --> 823.00] for that kind of stuff. [823.12 --> 824.68] And, you know, things like ZFS [824.68 --> 825.44] and SnapRaid, [825.54 --> 827.12] depending on what your needs are, [827.16 --> 828.84] also can be appropriate solutions. [829.44 --> 830.30] So I've built this site [830.30 --> 831.16] around MKDocs, [831.74 --> 834.02] which happens to be the same project [834.02 --> 835.02] that we're using [835.02 --> 836.14] for the self-hosted wiki, [836.26 --> 837.56] which I've also put some work [837.56 --> 838.36] into this week [838.36 --> 840.06] over the Christmas break. [840.48 --> 841.66] So please go ahead [841.66 --> 843.34] and contribute to the self-hosted wiki [843.34 --> 845.14] at wiki.selfhosted.show [845.14 --> 846.92] because we're crying out [846.92 --> 847.94] for content over there. [847.94 --> 850.14] But MKDocs, [850.20 --> 851.04] I'll tell you what, Chris, [851.16 --> 854.70] has become a hell of a wiki software, [855.02 --> 855.32] you know? [855.64 --> 856.16] So I don't know [856.16 --> 857.02] when you're browsing this, [857.08 --> 858.16] but I don't know if you noticed [858.16 --> 859.30] it has a keyboard shortcut. [859.58 --> 860.38] And they don't tell you this, [860.44 --> 860.62] obviously, [860.72 --> 862.00] but it's the same as Vim. [862.40 --> 864.80] So you can press the forward slash key, [865.00 --> 866.38] which brings up search, [866.52 --> 867.50] and then you can search [867.50 --> 869.00] for any string in any page. [869.18 --> 870.06] And it will just, [870.30 --> 870.98] in real time, [871.06 --> 872.12] and then use the arrow keys. [872.28 --> 873.08] Oh, yes. [873.08 --> 874.58] And it will just take you straight [874.58 --> 876.10] to the section of that page. [876.22 --> 877.36] Just that feature alone [877.36 --> 878.64] had me sold. [878.88 --> 879.02] Huh. [879.64 --> 880.16] That's great. [880.22 --> 881.02] But they've added dozens [881.02 --> 881.88] of other features, [882.30 --> 882.52] you know, [882.60 --> 884.04] like they've got little tool tips, [884.50 --> 885.62] little info boxes, [885.62 --> 887.42] and stuff that breaks up the content. [888.06 --> 889.76] The code formatting, [890.02 --> 890.44] highlighting, [890.84 --> 892.04] is just brilliant. [892.82 --> 894.22] It's fully customizable. [894.22 --> 896.00] So, you know, [896.26 --> 898.30] it was using the COBOL wiki [898.30 --> 899.82] for the Helios 64 review, [899.98 --> 900.86] which finally got me [900.86 --> 903.58] to really take MKDocs seriously [903.58 --> 905.82] and really went through [905.82 --> 906.34] the documentation [906.34 --> 907.66] with a fine tooth comb. [907.84 --> 908.80] And I've enabled [908.80 --> 909.96] all the features that I want. [910.16 --> 910.84] And the only thing [910.84 --> 912.16] I haven't done yet is comments, [912.38 --> 913.94] which I might do. [914.02 --> 914.48] I might not. [914.56 --> 915.46] I haven't decided yet. [915.98 --> 918.24] But the material theme [918.24 --> 920.72] for MKDocs really is stunning. [921.08 --> 923.36] And I don't think at the moment [923.36 --> 924.74] there's a better open source [924.74 --> 926.88] documentation platform. [927.48 --> 928.04] Yeah, I will say [928.04 --> 929.26] that just the presentation, [929.54 --> 930.52] so not even commenting [930.52 --> 931.04] on what it's like [931.04 --> 932.62] to actually write on it, [932.66 --> 933.28] but the presentation [933.28 --> 935.48] is extremely readable. [936.26 --> 936.82] You know, documentation, [937.14 --> 938.32] especially something [938.32 --> 939.86] as extensive as a topic like this, [939.92 --> 941.08] can be just a chore [941.08 --> 941.76] to get through. [942.18 --> 943.40] But the way it lays out, [943.46 --> 943.90] like you said, [943.94 --> 944.44] the way it does [944.44 --> 945.42] some of the different quoting [945.42 --> 946.92] and code blocks [946.92 --> 948.14] and all of it, [948.26 --> 950.02] just all of it is really, [950.10 --> 950.40] it's just, [950.50 --> 951.42] it makes me want to use it [951.42 --> 951.94] for my stuff. [951.94 --> 953.02] So I was going to ask you, [953.02 --> 953.66] I was going to talk to you [953.66 --> 954.24] about MKDocs [954.24 --> 954.86] and see what you thought [954.86 --> 956.70] because, yeah, [956.78 --> 957.72] it really seems impressive [957.72 --> 960.86] and probably the perfect solution [960.86 --> 963.88] for just JB internal documentation. [964.38 --> 964.66] Yeah, I mean, [964.80 --> 965.28] it's all, [965.50 --> 966.68] everything's written in Markdown. [967.52 --> 968.96] So if in the future [968.96 --> 969.80] you decided to use [969.80 --> 970.64] a different solution [970.64 --> 971.34] for some reason, [972.14 --> 973.24] it's just plain text. [973.34 --> 974.94] It's not in a CMS somewhere. [975.46 --> 976.40] It lives in a Git repo. [976.90 --> 978.14] You can just copy and paste [978.14 --> 978.70] and job done. [979.08 --> 979.84] That's pretty nice. [980.22 --> 981.94] Well, so as we record right now, [981.94 --> 983.64] this isn't live. [983.90 --> 985.26] So what's your plan? [985.30 --> 985.86] I assume you're going to try [985.86 --> 986.36] to get it out [986.36 --> 987.62] when the show goes live. [988.12 --> 989.06] If you look at my GitHub [989.06 --> 990.42] commit history this week, [990.42 --> 991.90] it's going to be bright green. [992.30 --> 992.70] Yeah. [993.42 --> 994.92] I'm working away feverishly [994.92 --> 995.66] on this to get it done [995.66 --> 996.42] by the end of 2020. [996.84 --> 998.12] So I'm aiming [998.12 --> 999.46] for a New Year's Eve launch. [999.56 --> 1000.34] So by the time you listen [1000.34 --> 1000.98] to this episode, [1001.06 --> 1001.86] it should be live. [1002.58 --> 1003.38] PerfectMediaServer.com. [1003.50 --> 1004.32] Let me know what you think [1004.32 --> 1005.74] at IronicBadger on Twitter. [1005.74 --> 1007.96] I would love to hear [1007.96 --> 1008.38] what you think [1008.38 --> 1009.58] because I've put a lot of time, [1010.04 --> 1011.20] probably several hundred hours [1011.20 --> 1012.60] into this site [1012.60 --> 1013.24] by the end of it, [1013.42 --> 1014.14] all told. [1014.76 --> 1016.08] I'd also accept PRs [1016.08 --> 1016.84] on the GitHub repo. [1016.98 --> 1017.86] So if you want to open an issue, [1017.94 --> 1018.72] if you find a mistake [1018.72 --> 1019.82] or something, [1019.96 --> 1021.08] which is highly likely [1021.08 --> 1021.54] at the pace [1021.54 --> 1022.44] I'm working right now, [1023.18 --> 1023.62] let me know [1023.62 --> 1024.46] through a GitHub issue [1024.46 --> 1025.44] or open a pull request [1025.44 --> 1025.80] or something. [1025.88 --> 1026.78] I would love to hear from you. [1026.78 --> 1027.18] Okay. [1027.58 --> 1032.42] Needs more ButterFS documentation. [1033.20 --> 1033.64] Serious. [1033.64 --> 1034.52] Seriously. [1035.26 --> 1035.74] Jeez. [1037.88 --> 1038.74] You, sir, [1038.86 --> 1040.54] are a grade A troll. [1040.74 --> 1041.18] Thank you. [1043.56 --> 1044.66] Linode.com [1044.66 --> 1045.86] slash SSH. [1045.96 --> 1046.24] Go there [1046.24 --> 1047.50] to get a $100 [1047.50 --> 1048.90] 60-day credit [1048.90 --> 1049.68] towards a new account [1049.68 --> 1050.76] and go there [1050.76 --> 1051.54] to support the show. [1051.94 --> 1052.68] Linode is our [1052.68 --> 1053.78] cloud hosting provider [1053.78 --> 1054.84] and because the price [1054.84 --> 1055.32] is so great, [1055.44 --> 1056.40] they can make it possible [1056.40 --> 1058.24] for you to use Linode [1058.24 --> 1059.60] even for a small deployment [1059.60 --> 1061.06] or for a large deployment. [1061.68 --> 1062.44] Jeff used Linode [1062.44 --> 1063.26] to test migrate [1063.26 --> 1063.82] his important [1063.82 --> 1064.72] NextCloud setup. [1065.10 --> 1066.04] He just took things [1066.04 --> 1067.24] one step at a time [1067.24 --> 1068.26] using different guides [1068.26 --> 1068.74] on Linode [1068.74 --> 1069.24] to make sure [1069.24 --> 1070.10] everything was right [1070.10 --> 1071.48] and he says [1071.48 --> 1072.36] eventually after about [1072.36 --> 1073.32] three pages of notes [1073.32 --> 1074.80] he did a completed [1074.80 --> 1076.26] successful migration [1076.26 --> 1077.46] and then he was able [1077.46 --> 1078.84] to take that knowledge, [1079.52 --> 1080.76] take that hands-on experience [1080.76 --> 1083.62] and go actually implement it [1083.62 --> 1084.28] on his production [1084.28 --> 1085.12] NextCloud instance. [1085.50 --> 1085.70] He said, [1085.78 --> 1086.36] but in the testing [1086.36 --> 1087.32] he noticed that [1087.32 --> 1090.26] even their smaller Linodes [1090.26 --> 1091.98] were still faster [1091.98 --> 1092.68] than his local [1092.68 --> 1093.30] quad-core [1093.30 --> 1094.12] 16-gigabyte [1094.12 --> 1094.86] local machine. [1096.14 --> 1098.14] So he's looking at [1098.14 --> 1098.92] maybe just hosting it [1098.92 --> 1099.92] on Linode.com [1099.92 --> 1100.94] And Alex, [1101.04 --> 1102.06] I know that you're using [1102.06 --> 1102.52] Linode for [1102.52 --> 1103.86] the perfectmediaserver.com [1103.86 --> 1105.10] I sure am, yeah. [1105.32 --> 1106.64] Same node as [1106.64 --> 1107.54] is doing the wiki [1107.54 --> 1109.94] and gallery.selfhosted.show [1109.94 --> 1111.18] is doing [1111.18 --> 1112.74] perfectmediaserver.com [1112.74 --> 1114.40] So you can really squeeze [1114.40 --> 1114.92] quite a lot [1114.92 --> 1115.84] out of these little things. [1115.84 --> 1116.94] I love hearing [1116.94 --> 1118.02] how people are using [1118.02 --> 1118.58] Linode. [1118.72 --> 1119.56] So do let me know [1119.56 --> 1120.82] either at the contact [1120.82 --> 1121.98] forum or at Chris Lass [1121.98 --> 1122.62] on Twitter [1122.62 --> 1124.08] because with $5 [1124.08 --> 1125.14] a month rigs [1125.14 --> 1125.96] you can do a lot [1125.96 --> 1127.56] but they also have [1127.56 --> 1129.60] dedicated CPU systems [1129.60 --> 1130.30] or machines [1130.30 --> 1131.30] with tons of RAM [1131.30 --> 1132.44] or lots of GPU [1132.44 --> 1133.72] so go experiment [1133.72 --> 1134.50] with that $100 [1134.50 --> 1135.56] 60-day credit. [1135.98 --> 1136.66] They also offer [1136.66 --> 1138.14] S3 object storage. [1138.50 --> 1139.42] This is a great way [1139.42 --> 1140.18] to store things [1140.18 --> 1140.84] in the cloud [1140.84 --> 1142.00] that don't need [1142.00 --> 1142.48] a Linode [1142.48 --> 1142.94] or a server [1142.94 --> 1143.70] sitting in front of them. [1143.76 --> 1144.34] You can just generate [1144.34 --> 1145.00] a public URL [1145.00 --> 1145.72] for that asset. [1146.24 --> 1146.74] I do this [1146.74 --> 1147.66] for soundboard clips [1147.66 --> 1148.66] you can do this [1148.66 --> 1149.22] for websites [1149.22 --> 1150.04] it's a great way [1150.04 --> 1151.00] to get a super fast [1151.00 --> 1151.60] portfolio [1151.60 --> 1152.60] where everything's [1152.60 --> 1153.30] stored statically [1153.30 --> 1154.16] in object storage [1154.16 --> 1155.06] and their prices [1155.06 --> 1155.52] are great. [1155.80 --> 1156.22] They also have [1156.22 --> 1156.96] load balancers [1156.96 --> 1157.26] and they have [1157.26 --> 1157.82] data centers [1157.82 --> 1159.00] in 11 locations [1159.00 --> 1159.76] around the world. [1160.48 --> 1160.88] So you're going to [1160.88 --> 1161.38] find something [1161.38 --> 1161.90] close to you [1161.90 --> 1163.30] or close to your client. [1163.86 --> 1164.18] So go to [1164.18 --> 1165.08] linode.com [1165.08 --> 1166.32] slash SSH [1166.32 --> 1167.06] go there [1167.06 --> 1168.00] get that $100 [1168.00 --> 1169.00] 60-day credit [1169.00 --> 1169.94] apply that towards [1169.94 --> 1170.44] a new account [1170.44 --> 1171.56] and go there [1171.56 --> 1172.30] to support the show. [1172.82 --> 1173.92] You help make [1173.92 --> 1175.08] independent content [1175.08 --> 1175.58] like this [1175.58 --> 1175.86] free [1175.86 --> 1176.68] when you go to [1176.68 --> 1177.44] linode.com [1177.44 --> 1178.86] slash SSH. [1178.86 --> 1181.96] I can't quite believe [1181.96 --> 1182.64] just how many [1182.64 --> 1183.48] powerline emails [1183.48 --> 1184.30] we had this week [1184.30 --> 1184.86] though can you? [1185.68 --> 1186.74] Alex it was [1186.74 --> 1187.62] wild. [1187.88 --> 1188.66] So I responded [1188.66 --> 1189.74] to several of them [1189.74 --> 1190.16] directly. [1190.32 --> 1190.96] I figured we respond [1190.96 --> 1191.56] to a couple here [1191.56 --> 1192.14] in the show [1192.14 --> 1193.34] when we had a few [1193.34 --> 1193.88] people write in [1193.88 --> 1194.60] about this stuff. [1194.60 --> 1196.24] I kind of suspected [1196.24 --> 1197.04] that powerline [1197.04 --> 1197.64] networking was [1197.64 --> 1198.44] probably something [1198.44 --> 1200.88] that got more [1200.88 --> 1202.62] use and deployments [1202.62 --> 1205.28] than kind of [1205.28 --> 1206.32] gets representation [1206.32 --> 1207.16] because there's so [1207.16 --> 1208.06] many scenarios [1208.06 --> 1209.60] where Wi-Fi [1209.60 --> 1210.64] just doesn't work [1210.64 --> 1212.36] especially older [1212.36 --> 1213.08] style Wi-Fi [1213.08 --> 1213.98] non-mesh Wi-Fi [1213.98 --> 1214.90] where like [1214.90 --> 1215.90] either a house [1215.90 --> 1217.48] construction materials [1217.48 --> 1218.08] involved [1218.08 --> 1219.30] or distance [1219.30 --> 1220.98] or all kinds [1220.98 --> 1221.64] of weird things. [1221.64 --> 1223.58] I have a family [1223.58 --> 1224.28] member who's [1224.28 --> 1225.04] next to an airport [1225.04 --> 1226.32] and their [1226.32 --> 1227.22] radio signal [1227.22 --> 1228.12] situation is just [1228.12 --> 1228.50] crazy. [1229.02 --> 1229.48] It's just [1229.48 --> 1230.82] unusable. [1231.58 --> 1231.98] So I [1231.98 --> 1233.14] suspected [1233.14 --> 1234.00] we would hear [1234.00 --> 1234.90] a lot about this [1234.90 --> 1236.86] but JT wrote in [1236.86 --> 1237.50] to say that he's [1237.50 --> 1238.02] been using [1238.02 --> 1238.82] powerline adapters [1238.82 --> 1239.76] for a couple of years. [1240.38 --> 1241.26] He currently has [1241.26 --> 1241.94] three of the [1241.94 --> 1243.34] TP-Link AV1000s [1243.34 --> 1243.88] which is the kit [1243.88 --> 1244.28] I bought [1244.28 --> 1246.06] with two different kits [1246.06 --> 1246.84] and he's using them [1246.84 --> 1247.50] without any issues. [1247.62 --> 1247.90] So he bought [1247.90 --> 1248.74] two of the kits [1248.74 --> 1249.70] two of what I have [1249.70 --> 1250.40] and they all [1250.40 --> 1251.00] link together. [1251.00 --> 1251.90] He says I do [1251.90 --> 1252.32] have a problem [1252.32 --> 1252.78] with one of the [1252.78 --> 1253.36] rooms though [1253.36 --> 1254.34] where one adapter [1254.34 --> 1255.00] normally gets about [1255.00 --> 1256.16] 120 megabits [1256.16 --> 1257.64] and then it gets [1257.64 --> 1258.18] out of sync [1258.18 --> 1258.84] and it starts [1258.84 --> 1259.80] dropping packets [1259.80 --> 1260.42] like mad [1260.42 --> 1261.16] dropping the [1261.16 --> 1261.98] bandwidth next to [1261.98 --> 1262.40] nothing [1262.40 --> 1263.06] sometimes even [1263.06 --> 1263.54] less than a [1263.54 --> 1263.98] megabit [1263.98 --> 1264.78] but if I [1264.78 --> 1265.22] unplug and [1265.22 --> 1265.72] replug them [1265.72 --> 1266.14] back in [1266.14 --> 1266.62] it seems to [1266.62 --> 1267.00] fix it. [1267.36 --> 1268.12] It happens [1268.12 --> 1268.46] from time [1268.46 --> 1268.94] to time [1268.94 --> 1270.12] but also [1270.12 --> 1270.60] I wanted to [1270.60 --> 1270.96] give just a [1270.96 --> 1271.52] quick shout out [1271.52 --> 1272.68] to cloudfree.shop [1272.68 --> 1273.38] one of our [1273.38 --> 1274.14] official unofficial [1274.14 --> 1274.86] sponsors here [1274.86 --> 1276.06] of the self-hosted [1276.06 --> 1276.54] podcast. [1277.00 --> 1277.38] Coupon code [1277.38 --> 1278.04] self-hosted. [1278.32 --> 1278.54] He said [1278.54 --> 1279.42] cloudfree.shop [1279.42 --> 1281.02] finally gave him [1281.02 --> 1281.88] the kick in the [1281.88 --> 1282.56] butt he needed [1282.56 --> 1283.48] to begin automating [1283.48 --> 1283.92] his home. [1284.44 --> 1284.64] He says [1284.64 --> 1285.10] I never want [1285.10 --> 1285.52] anything really [1285.52 --> 1286.04] connected to the [1286.04 --> 1286.56] cloud and with [1286.56 --> 1287.20] smart plugs from [1287.20 --> 1288.16] cloudfree and [1288.16 --> 1288.68] home assistant [1288.68 --> 1289.66] I felt like I [1289.66 --> 1290.22] could finally get [1290.22 --> 1290.56] started. [1291.06 --> 1291.68] The first thing [1291.68 --> 1292.42] that I automated [1292.42 --> 1293.64] was my bearded [1293.64 --> 1294.50] dragon's cage [1294.50 --> 1294.84] lights. [1295.38 --> 1295.62] Yep. [1295.74 --> 1296.24] One of the first [1296.24 --> 1296.80] things I automated [1296.80 --> 1297.32] here in the studio [1297.32 --> 1298.22] was my fish tank [1298.22 --> 1299.16] lights so totally [1299.16 --> 1299.86] totally with you [1299.86 --> 1300.16] JT. [1300.58 --> 1301.08] He says [1301.08 --> 1302.22] which got rid of [1302.22 --> 1302.80] a terrible [1302.80 --> 1303.84] constantly clicking [1303.84 --> 1304.70] analog timer that [1304.70 --> 1305.40] I used to use. [1305.40 --> 1306.68] I also bought a [1306.68 --> 1308.76] D1 mini ESP8266 [1308.76 --> 1310.02] Wi-Fi board and [1310.02 --> 1311.54] a BME280 temperature [1311.54 --> 1312.44] pressure and [1312.44 --> 1313.86] humidity sensor and [1313.86 --> 1314.70] combined them into [1314.70 --> 1315.98] an MQTT based [1315.98 --> 1316.80] sensor that home [1316.80 --> 1317.78] assistant uses to [1317.78 --> 1318.48] control the heat [1318.48 --> 1319.40] lamp in the cage. [1319.50 --> 1320.62] Heck yeah he did. [1321.88 --> 1322.68] That's great. [1322.72 --> 1323.42] That's next level. [1323.82 --> 1324.74] Talk about like you [1324.74 --> 1327.30] want a backup no [1327.30 --> 1328.14] fail state for that [1328.14 --> 1328.36] thing. [1328.76 --> 1329.42] He says the [1329.42 --> 1330.36] spousal approval [1330.36 --> 1331.98] factor was very high [1331.98 --> 1333.00] on these purchases [1333.00 --> 1334.46] and the time I [1334.46 --> 1335.48] spent learning to [1335.48 --> 1336.22] solder. [1337.06 --> 1337.66] That's great. [1337.74 --> 1338.26] Says thanks for the [1338.26 --> 1338.92] shows looking forward [1338.92 --> 1339.52] to the next one. [1339.90 --> 1340.60] Good to hear that [1340.60 --> 1340.96] JT. [1341.06 --> 1341.62] I love it when it [1341.62 --> 1342.76] works out and yeah [1342.76 --> 1343.80] for those of you who [1343.80 --> 1344.54] are new to the show [1344.54 --> 1346.28] cloudfree.shop is a [1346.28 --> 1347.20] community built store [1347.20 --> 1349.50] and we're official [1349.50 --> 1350.40] unofficial official [1350.40 --> 1351.52] sponsors or they are [1351.52 --> 1353.06] we just love them and [1353.06 --> 1354.26] we worked out a deal [1354.26 --> 1355.24] when you use the [1355.24 --> 1356.42] promo code and you [1356.42 --> 1357.34] get devices that [1357.34 --> 1358.84] don't have like the [1358.84 --> 1359.74] cloud connected stuff [1359.74 --> 1360.16] on there. [1360.64 --> 1361.34] You know sometimes I [1361.34 --> 1362.02] like a little cloud [1362.02 --> 1362.70] like I put a sync [1362.70 --> 1363.34] things over up in [1363.34 --> 1364.30] the cloud made [1364.30 --> 1365.68] stuff faster but [1365.68 --> 1366.84] the smart plug that [1366.84 --> 1367.76] controls the old fish [1367.76 --> 1368.70] tank I don't want any [1368.70 --> 1369.40] cloud involved with [1369.40 --> 1370.34] that you know it's [1370.34 --> 1371.66] just how it goes. [1372.68 --> 1373.16] And you also don't [1373.16 --> 1373.68] have to wait [1373.68 --> 1374.42] necessarily on the [1374.42 --> 1375.02] slow boat from [1375.02 --> 1376.16] China sometimes for [1376.16 --> 1376.68] these things to [1376.68 --> 1377.38] arrive so. [1377.66 --> 1378.42] True true. [1378.66 --> 1379.52] It is nice that they [1379.52 --> 1380.56] are stateside as well. [1380.90 --> 1381.86] Yeah that's good [1381.86 --> 1382.50] that's a good point. [1383.78 --> 1385.22] Ro wrote in about [1385.22 --> 1386.48] Powerline Finicky and [1386.48 --> 1387.22] I think the reason I [1387.22 --> 1388.40] included his email is [1388.40 --> 1389.30] because he referred to [1389.30 --> 1390.80] us as Chris and the [1390.80 --> 1392.68] Badger which I [1392.70 --> 1395.00] which gave me like [1395.00 --> 1398.50] this morning AM or [1398.50 --> 1400.36] FM radio vibe and I [1400.36 --> 1401.14] just pictured you and [1401.14 --> 1402.42] I doing a morning [1402.42 --> 1405.44] KWRAX Chris and the [1405.44 --> 1406.48] Badger yeah I can I [1406.48 --> 1407.14] can hear it now. [1407.34 --> 1407.80] It's Chris and the [1407.80 --> 1408.16] Badger. [1409.76 --> 1410.64] Welcome to Chris and [1410.64 --> 1411.04] the Badger. [1411.18 --> 1411.68] Chris and the Badger. [1411.76 --> 1412.10] Chris and the Badger. [1412.18 --> 1412.96] It's the Badger. [1413.68 --> 1415.42] Yeah I could see that. [1416.62 --> 1418.06] I want a listener now to [1418.06 --> 1418.98] try and make us a jingle [1418.98 --> 1419.76] Chris and the Badger [1419.76 --> 1420.12] please. [1420.36 --> 1420.92] That would be fun. [1422.20 --> 1423.30] Chris and the Badger in [1423.30 --> 1423.74] the morning. [1424.46 --> 1425.48] He says Chris I was [1425.48 --> 1426.20] surprised to hear about [1426.20 --> 1426.82] your experiences with [1426.82 --> 1427.24] Powerline. [1427.34 --> 1427.92] I've been using the [1427.92 --> 1428.74] TP-Link Powerline [1428.74 --> 1429.36] products for several [1429.36 --> 1430.82] years now and I've had [1430.82 --> 1431.78] mixed results and my [1431.78 --> 1433.06] experience it works but [1433.06 --> 1434.20] sometimes it has some [1434.20 --> 1434.92] problems that make it [1434.92 --> 1436.92] hard to really recommend [1436.92 --> 1438.74] and he tells me about [1438.74 --> 1439.76] different products that [1439.76 --> 1440.32] he's tried and [1440.32 --> 1441.42] troubleshooting and he [1441.42 --> 1442.74] has a pretty solid [1442.74 --> 1443.76] looking house layout. [1444.00 --> 1444.32] You know there's [1444.32 --> 1445.36] nothing too crazy about [1445.36 --> 1445.92] his electrical. [1445.92 --> 1447.48] It's a modern house [1447.48 --> 1450.76] and it's shorter than [1450.76 --> 1451.78] 300 meters and all of [1451.78 --> 1452.48] that kind of stuff that [1452.48 --> 1453.04] you'd look at. [1453.62 --> 1454.62] But he says Powerline [1454.62 --> 1455.56] works but it's [1455.56 --> 1456.64] definitely nowhere as [1456.64 --> 1457.86] fast as wired Ethernet. [1458.46 --> 1459.38] In fact it isn't even [1459.38 --> 1460.56] as fast as some of the [1460.56 --> 1462.58] mesh Wi-Fi that he's [1462.58 --> 1462.88] tested. [1462.98 --> 1463.60] So he did several [1463.60 --> 1464.28] different kind of speed [1464.28 --> 1465.16] tests for us and said [1465.16 --> 1467.80] in all he is able to [1467.80 --> 1469.06] get better performance on [1469.06 --> 1471.32] mesh Wi-Fi but in some [1471.32 --> 1473.00] situations where Wi-Fi [1473.00 --> 1473.74] didn't reach or there [1473.74 --> 1475.38] was other issues he was [1475.38 --> 1476.30] still able to get [1476.30 --> 1477.70] around 100, 150 [1477.70 --> 1478.92] megabits with his [1478.92 --> 1479.84] Powerline adapters. [1480.58 --> 1481.54] In one case depending [1481.54 --> 1482.44] on a product he tried he [1482.44 --> 1483.38] was able to get 300 [1483.38 --> 1485.22] megabits which that's [1485.22 --> 1485.88] pretty respectable. [1486.12 --> 1486.76] That's really all I'd [1486.76 --> 1487.52] want over Powerline. [1487.70 --> 1488.50] I'm not expecting [1488.50 --> 1489.00] gigabit. [1489.46 --> 1490.14] I mean if all you're [1490.14 --> 1492.28] doing is streaming you [1492.28 --> 1493.50] know on Cody or [1493.50 --> 1494.44] something like that you [1494.44 --> 1495.00] know that's all you [1495.00 --> 1495.38] need. [1495.58 --> 1496.58] He points out and it's [1496.58 --> 1497.14] a great thing to [1497.14 --> 1498.82] consider is a little [1498.82 --> 1501.26] play of words that [1501.26 --> 1502.60] these manufacturers use. [1502.84 --> 1503.20] Yes. [1503.38 --> 1504.06] And I haven't verified [1504.06 --> 1504.92] this but according to [1504.92 --> 1506.30] him he says when they [1506.30 --> 1507.28] say it's a gigabit [1507.28 --> 1508.74] they mean it's a [1508.74 --> 1509.44] gigabit when you [1509.44 --> 1510.52] combine the send and [1510.52 --> 1510.94] the receive. [1511.52 --> 1512.86] It's actually half a [1512.86 --> 1514.68] gigabit in both [1514.68 --> 1515.24] directions. [1515.62 --> 1516.68] In a perfect world [1516.68 --> 1517.86] when there is no wind [1517.86 --> 1518.46] outside. [1519.14 --> 1519.32] Right. [1519.56 --> 1520.56] They're about one [1520.56 --> 1521.54] centimeter apart [1521.54 --> 1522.44] probably yes. [1522.92 --> 1523.96] So if you get a two [1523.96 --> 1525.34] gigabit model which [1525.34 --> 1526.30] there are two gigabit [1526.30 --> 1527.30] units then it's one [1527.30 --> 1528.22] gigabit send one [1528.22 --> 1529.24] gigabit receive and it's [1529.24 --> 1531.16] actually a one gigabit [1531.16 --> 1532.22] unit the way we think of [1532.22 --> 1532.92] it in terms of like [1532.92 --> 1533.76] ethernet adapters. [1534.40 --> 1535.12] So that's a little [1535.12 --> 1536.08] trick of rooskies that [1536.08 --> 1537.40] they like to pull that [1537.40 --> 1537.92] when they're quoting [1537.92 --> 1539.00] speeds they're quoting [1539.00 --> 1540.74] just a send or receive. [1541.76 --> 1542.70] But we got lots of [1542.70 --> 1543.10] other feedback. [1543.22 --> 1544.02] Some people thought that [1544.02 --> 1545.04] it was that maybe I'd [1545.04 --> 1545.84] have better performance [1545.84 --> 1546.58] if I didn't have solar [1546.58 --> 1549.80] panels on the RV that [1549.80 --> 1550.50] they thought maybe that [1550.50 --> 1551.78] was causing some high [1551.78 --> 1552.80] degree of interference [1552.80 --> 1553.82] just because of you know [1553.82 --> 1554.70] the intensity of that. [1554.86 --> 1556.34] But those systems are [1556.34 --> 1557.02] totally separate. [1557.36 --> 1559.14] The house power doesn't [1559.14 --> 1560.26] connect to like the [1560.26 --> 1562.14] charge controller or the [1562.14 --> 1562.90] batteries directly. [1563.30 --> 1564.16] Yeah because a lot of [1564.16 --> 1565.54] folks wrote in and said [1565.54 --> 1567.34] that if you have coax in [1567.34 --> 1567.94] your walls you can [1567.94 --> 1569.66] actually get power line [1569.66 --> 1572.72] over coax adapters and [1572.72 --> 1573.50] because they're not [1573.50 --> 1575.12] carrying any signal in [1575.12 --> 1576.58] modern houses generally [1576.58 --> 1578.68] speaking anymore you can [1578.68 --> 1579.70] actually get away with [1579.70 --> 1581.80] you know running ethernet [1581.80 --> 1583.90] over those and they're a [1583.90 --> 1585.06] very clean signal so you [1585.06 --> 1585.80] get better performance [1585.80 --> 1586.20] that way. [1586.58 --> 1587.32] That could be worth [1587.32 --> 1587.90] looking into. [1588.20 --> 1590.26] You know I got a couple [1590.26 --> 1591.54] of spots that have coax [1591.54 --> 1592.10] pre-run. [1593.00 --> 1593.82] That's interesting. [1594.14 --> 1594.32] Hmm. [1594.66 --> 1594.94] Hmm. [1595.06 --> 1595.78] I don't know Alex. [1595.86 --> 1597.80] Maybe one day in the [1597.80 --> 1598.42] future. [1599.24 --> 1600.90] Brad wrote in about a [1600.90 --> 1603.54] killer MOBO with QuickSync. [1603.54 --> 1604.68] Yeah he's found the [1604.68 --> 1608.16] ASRock J5040 ITX board. [1608.50 --> 1609.74] It's a mini ITX form [1609.74 --> 1611.00] factor with a quad core [1611.00 --> 1613.92] Pentium chip and it has [1613.92 --> 1615.54] QuickSync version 605. [1615.54 --> 1617.96] Now he wrote in about [1617.96 --> 1619.70] this one because of [1619.70 --> 1620.50] energy usage. [1620.64 --> 1621.96] This one idles he says [1621.96 --> 1624.48] between 10 and 15 watts [1624.48 --> 1624.86] only. [1625.42 --> 1627.40] But it also has four [1627.40 --> 1628.50] SATA ports which I [1628.50 --> 1630.56] thought hmm this would [1630.56 --> 1632.38] make a really nice sort [1632.38 --> 1633.54] of NAS motherboard [1633.54 --> 1634.54] potentially because you [1634.54 --> 1635.60] know four hard drives [1635.60 --> 1637.74] a small enclosure low [1637.74 --> 1639.58] power draw QuickSync. [1640.40 --> 1641.08] You know you're pushing [1641.08 --> 1642.24] my buttons here Brad. [1642.60 --> 1643.16] Yeah really. [1643.16 --> 1643.96] Me too. [1644.32 --> 1645.06] It looks like a really [1645.06 --> 1645.74] nice motherboard. [1645.88 --> 1649.66] Yeah this ASRock J5040 [1649.66 --> 1650.16] ITX. [1650.96 --> 1651.74] We'll put a link in the [1651.74 --> 1653.72] in the show notes. [1654.02 --> 1655.30] But that hardware [1655.30 --> 1656.16] acceleration that [1656.78 --> 1658.00] QuickSync boy that that [1658.00 --> 1658.84] is looking really good. [1658.96 --> 1660.02] And this you could [1660.02 --> 1661.28] totally build I bet you [1661.28 --> 1662.76] for if you had the [1662.76 --> 1665.16] storage I bet two [1665.70 --> 1666.40] three hundred dollars [1666.40 --> 1667.64] to build a nice system [1667.64 --> 1668.30] with a decent little [1668.30 --> 1668.70] case. [1668.88 --> 1669.82] There's some memory [1669.82 --> 1670.64] around this thing. [1671.06 --> 1672.82] It's a passive CPU as [1672.82 --> 1674.80] well so it takes it [1674.80 --> 1675.70] doesn't need a fan on [1675.70 --> 1676.18] the CPU. [1676.92 --> 1678.06] Also it takes a [1678.06 --> 1679.50] laptop style SO [1679.50 --> 1680.58] DIM memory. [1681.32 --> 1682.22] So this thing is tiny. [1682.34 --> 1682.86] It's got a couple of [1682.86 --> 1684.46] M2 slots on there for [1684.46 --> 1685.36] Wi-Fi if you want. [1686.10 --> 1687.50] So yeah yeah go go [1687.50 --> 1688.10] ahead and check that [1688.10 --> 1688.36] one out. [1688.42 --> 1688.90] That looks like a [1688.90 --> 1689.96] really really useful [1689.96 --> 1690.50] little build. [1690.96 --> 1691.80] Stefan wrote in to tell [1691.80 --> 1692.72] us about some benchmarks [1692.72 --> 1693.80] in German that show [1693.80 --> 1694.72] that the latest AMD [1694.72 --> 1696.70] desktop APUs are [1696.70 --> 1698.10] getting idle power well [1698.10 --> 1700.22] below 10 watts and [1700.22 --> 1700.72] depending on the [1700.72 --> 1701.70] motherboard as low [1701.70 --> 1702.52] as six or seven [1702.52 --> 1702.92] watts. [1703.44 --> 1704.16] So it seems like [1704.16 --> 1704.72] there's something to [1704.72 --> 1705.42] watch there too. [1705.86 --> 1706.72] Oh I'm trying to [1706.72 --> 1707.88] avoid buying a Ryzen [1707.88 --> 1708.46] 5000. [1709.12 --> 1710.04] I'm really trying to [1710.04 --> 1711.74] avoid it but stuff [1711.74 --> 1713.06] like that makes me [1713.06 --> 1713.96] want to buy one. [1715.86 --> 1716.68] Hey while we're doing [1716.68 --> 1717.30] feedback I want to [1717.30 --> 1717.92] take a moment and [1717.92 --> 1719.38] mention that a cloud [1719.38 --> 1720.86] guru has a Python 3 [1720.86 --> 1722.18] scripting course for [1722.18 --> 1723.08] system administrators [1723.08 --> 1724.50] where you can develop [1724.50 --> 1725.24] the skills you need to [1725.24 --> 1725.98] write effective and [1725.98 --> 1727.32] powerful scripts and [1727.32 --> 1728.46] create command line [1728.46 --> 1730.56] tools using Python 3. [1730.56 --> 1731.18] So in the course [1731.18 --> 1731.46] you're going to [1731.46 --> 1732.02] develop skills you [1732.02 --> 1732.36] need to write [1732.36 --> 1732.88] effective and [1732.88 --> 1733.54] powerful Python [1733.54 --> 1734.90] scripts and it's [1734.90 --> 1736.00] it's a big one. [1736.10 --> 1736.50] So beyond the [1736.50 --> 1737.24] language itself you'll [1737.24 --> 1737.88] go through the full [1737.88 --> 1738.62] development process [1738.62 --> 1739.36] including project [1739.36 --> 1740.12] setup, planning, [1740.74 --> 1741.78] automated testing to [1741.78 --> 1742.30] build two different [1742.30 --> 1743.10] command line tools and [1743.10 --> 1743.34] more. [1743.82 --> 1744.46] So check out the link [1744.46 --> 1745.20] we'll have in the [1745.20 --> 1746.16] show notes for the [1746.16 --> 1747.22] Python 3 scripting for [1747.22 --> 1748.02] system administrators [1748.02 --> 1749.52] at cloudguru.com. [1750.90 --> 1751.94] Hey so I'm sat here [1751.94 --> 1752.34] whilst we were [1752.34 --> 1753.30] recording and thought [1753.30 --> 1754.22] my feet are cold. [1754.64 --> 1755.20] So whilst you were [1755.20 --> 1756.28] reading that ad spot [1756.28 --> 1757.56] I logged into my [1757.56 --> 1758.20] home assistant and [1758.20 --> 1758.86] just bumped up the [1758.86 --> 1759.76] thermostat a little bit. [1760.56 --> 1762.94] It's nice isn't it? [1763.56 --> 1764.42] Yep, yep. [1764.64 --> 1765.54] I think my favorite [1765.54 --> 1767.66] still is because of [1767.66 --> 1768.10] the HomeKit [1768.10 --> 1769.76] integration when I'm [1769.76 --> 1771.14] driving home I just [1771.14 --> 1771.84] push a button on the [1771.84 --> 1772.96] steering wheel and I [1772.96 --> 1775.10] tell the computer just [1775.10 --> 1776.26] to turn on you know [1776.26 --> 1777.04] the heaters to extra [1777.04 --> 1777.24] heat. [1777.44 --> 1778.00] We have an extra heat [1778.00 --> 1778.52] mode that kind of [1778.52 --> 1779.06] brings up the [1779.06 --> 1780.22] temperature more a [1780.22 --> 1781.48] little quicker and [1781.48 --> 1782.28] so when I buy the [1782.28 --> 1782.84] and turn on the [1782.84 --> 1783.10] lights. [1783.44 --> 1783.96] So when I get home [1783.96 --> 1784.78] all the lights are on [1784.78 --> 1786.06] place is nice and [1786.06 --> 1786.34] toasty. [1786.34 --> 1788.68] Oh I've been [1788.68 --> 1789.32] thinking about like [1789.32 --> 1790.42] an NFC tag on the [1790.42 --> 1791.16] dashboard or something [1791.16 --> 1791.82] that I could just [1791.82 --> 1792.62] tap with my phone [1792.62 --> 1792.96] maybe. [1793.66 --> 1794.68] I haven't done it but [1794.68 --> 1795.22] I've been thinking [1795.22 --> 1795.70] about it. [1796.18 --> 1796.58] I've been thinking [1796.58 --> 1797.14] about that too. [1797.20 --> 1797.84] I actually have an [1797.84 --> 1798.70] NFC tag at the [1798.70 --> 1800.06] door out the [1800.06 --> 1800.78] studio so on my [1800.78 --> 1801.28] way out the [1801.28 --> 1802.36] studio I can tap it [1802.36 --> 1803.10] and right now it [1803.10 --> 1803.70] just kind of sends [1803.70 --> 1804.40] like an alert to the [1804.40 --> 1805.86] wife with an ETA [1805.86 --> 1807.04] and all of that kind [1807.04 --> 1807.98] of stuff you know [1807.98 --> 1808.82] based on my location [1808.82 --> 1810.28] and her location but [1810.28 --> 1810.96] I have been thinking [1810.96 --> 1811.58] man it'd be pretty [1811.58 --> 1812.98] great to tie that in [1812.98 --> 1814.22] with the heating and [1814.22 --> 1815.12] the lighting check to [1815.12 --> 1815.72] see if it's on or [1815.72 --> 1815.98] not. [1816.54 --> 1817.80] NFC tags and all of [1817.80 --> 1819.06] that is probably still [1819.06 --> 1820.28] the most underutilized [1820.28 --> 1821.62] area because on iOS [1821.62 --> 1823.78] it kind of sucks and I [1823.78 --> 1824.48] think it's similar on [1824.48 --> 1825.22] Android but not quite [1825.22 --> 1825.88] the same where on [1825.88 --> 1827.26] iOS it just brings up [1827.26 --> 1827.74] as far as I [1827.74 --> 1828.62] understand it a [1828.62 --> 1829.68] notification prompt [1829.68 --> 1830.34] that you then have to [1830.34 --> 1832.64] tap to execute the [1832.64 --> 1834.46] NFC automation and [1834.46 --> 1835.12] that just sounds like [1835.12 --> 1835.52] garbage. [1836.04 --> 1837.00] Not true on Android I [1837.00 --> 1838.06] just tap the tag and [1838.06 --> 1839.02] my garage door opens [1839.02 --> 1839.58] it's amazing. [1840.26 --> 1840.94] That's what I want. [1841.34 --> 1842.32] I can kind of see [1842.32 --> 1843.52] maybe why Apple did it [1843.52 --> 1844.30] this way for [1844.30 --> 1846.02] novices who you [1846.02 --> 1846.76] know they don't they [1846.76 --> 1847.46] don't want to execute [1847.46 --> 1848.30] stuff randomly on [1848.30 --> 1850.44] their phone but man [1850.44 --> 1852.22] I totally appreciate [1852.22 --> 1853.24] that but I just would [1853.24 --> 1854.16] love a setting to say [1854.16 --> 1855.28] don't require user [1855.28 --> 1855.78] interaction. [1856.12 --> 1856.22] Yeah. [1856.34 --> 1857.38] It just sort of kills [1857.38 --> 1857.78] the usefulness. [1857.90 --> 1859.02] I have also here on [1859.02 --> 1860.42] the studio mixer I [1860.42 --> 1861.94] have an NFC tag because [1861.94 --> 1862.74] for some reason [1862.74 --> 1863.60] Behringer thought it'd [1863.60 --> 1864.42] be a great idea to put [1864.42 --> 1865.70] a like a phone holder [1865.70 --> 1866.74] on the mixer because [1866.74 --> 1867.46] the ideas are going to [1867.46 --> 1867.84] use like their [1867.84 --> 1868.78] touchscreen app on your [1868.78 --> 1870.94] phone and so I have a [1870.94 --> 1871.58] spot where my phone [1871.58 --> 1873.88] sits and I just put an [1873.88 --> 1874.80] NFC tag in that spot [1874.80 --> 1875.86] just set my phone to [1875.86 --> 1877.32] D&D and turn on the [1877.32 --> 1878.24] studio lights which are [1878.24 --> 1879.14] on home assistant and [1879.14 --> 1879.66] all that. [1880.66 --> 1881.44] Oli wrote into the [1881.44 --> 1882.44] holiday mailbag and [1882.44 --> 1883.16] said I'm a long time [1883.16 --> 1883.98] listener occasional [1883.98 --> 1885.22] disc order from Norway [1885.22 --> 1886.88] and we talk about [1886.88 --> 1887.58] storage setups on the [1887.58 --> 1888.46] show a little bit but [1888.46 --> 1889.14] I'd love you to go into [1889.14 --> 1890.46] some details with [1890.46 --> 1891.88] setups ranging from [1891.88 --> 1892.70] smaller setups to [1892.70 --> 1893.26] bigger setups. [1893.74 --> 1894.10] Do you have any [1894.10 --> 1895.18] strategies deciding on [1895.18 --> 1896.66] what you invest in? [1897.30 --> 1898.28] My backups are going to [1898.28 --> 1899.44] backblaze but I'm [1899.44 --> 1900.48] rethinking things a little [1900.48 --> 1901.18] bit and I think I want [1901.18 --> 1901.88] more sane local [1901.88 --> 1903.16] storage but I'm a [1903.16 --> 1903.84] little put off at the [1903.84 --> 1904.18] price. [1905.20 --> 1905.80] What would be a sweet [1905.80 --> 1906.56] spot in terms of [1906.56 --> 1908.00] discs and storage for [1908.00 --> 1909.18] about an 8 terabyte [1909.18 --> 1910.42] media collection as [1910.42 --> 1910.94] well as some more [1910.94 --> 1912.00] personal media like [1912.00 --> 1913.26] photos that I just [1913.26 --> 1914.02] don't want to lose? [1914.42 --> 1915.02] Any links would be [1915.02 --> 1915.44] great too. [1915.84 --> 1916.78] Man this question was [1916.78 --> 1917.76] made for me wasn't it? [1917.88 --> 1919.00] It really was. [1919.34 --> 1921.74] So perfectmediaserver.com [1921.74 --> 1923.84] first of all I think is [1923.84 --> 1925.14] where I will send you in [1925.14 --> 1926.96] the first instance to [1926.96 --> 1927.52] look at the software [1927.52 --> 1928.20] side of things. [1928.80 --> 1930.06] I will be building up the [1930.06 --> 1931.04] hardware recommendations [1931.04 --> 1932.12] section of that site [1932.12 --> 1932.80] over the next few [1932.80 --> 1935.06] months but really I [1935.06 --> 1935.86] would just take a look [1935.86 --> 1937.06] at serverbuilds.net. [1937.38 --> 1938.82] They have some amazing [1938.82 --> 1940.84] used enterprise gear and [1940.84 --> 1942.06] I know it's quite a US [1942.06 --> 1944.28] centric website but you [1944.28 --> 1945.16] can still get a lot of [1945.16 --> 1946.26] good ideas about what to [1946.26 --> 1947.34] use like QuickSync for [1947.34 --> 1949.08] example that that came [1949.08 --> 1950.42] from JDM the guy behind [1950.42 --> 1951.40] that site who we've had on [1951.40 --> 1953.32] the show before and just [1953.32 --> 1953.98] take a look at what [1953.98 --> 1954.86] they're doing and the [1954.86 --> 1956.12] trends and the way the [1956.12 --> 1957.34] industry is going with [1957.34 --> 1958.48] what those guys are doing [1958.48 --> 1959.26] over there at server [1959.26 --> 1961.32] builds and I think you [1961.32 --> 1961.96] can probably get away [1961.96 --> 1963.56] with a fairly minimal [1963.56 --> 1964.38] kind of setup. [1964.54 --> 1965.06] So you've got 8 [1965.06 --> 1966.16] terabytes worth of stuff [1966.16 --> 1967.78] you want to store so I [1967.78 --> 1969.16] would buy a hard drive [1969.16 --> 1971.46] that is at least 8 [1971.46 --> 1972.78] probably 10 or 12 [1972.78 --> 1973.74] terabytes so you've got a [1973.74 --> 1975.58] bit of headroom and buy [1975.58 --> 1976.74] a pair of them so that [1976.74 --> 1978.64] you you know can have [1978.64 --> 1980.24] full redundancy. [1981.12 --> 1981.92] You're already using [1981.92 --> 1983.48] Backblaze so you know [1983.48 --> 1985.48] raid is not backup is a [1985.48 --> 1986.70] very common phrase that [1986.70 --> 1987.60] you'll hear people say. [1987.60 --> 1989.60] Make sure that you have [1989.60 --> 1991.96] everything duplicated in [1991.96 --> 1993.82] at least two different [1993.82 --> 1994.82] physical locations. [1995.50 --> 1996.56] So even if that just [1996.56 --> 1998.84] takes the form of you [1998.84 --> 1999.88] know a USB hard drive [1999.88 --> 2000.48] that you leave at your [2000.48 --> 2001.28] parents house when you [2001.28 --> 2002.84] go and see them one day [2002.84 --> 2005.38] in the future who knows [2005.38 --> 2007.92] you know the world is so [2007.92 --> 2009.00] different right now but [2009.00 --> 2011.46] if it's just a USB hard [2011.46 --> 2012.76] drive in a drawer at a [2012.76 --> 2014.02] parents house then that [2014.02 --> 2015.08] will do the trick as well [2015.08 --> 2015.78] you know in a lot of [2015.78 --> 2016.96] situations unless you [2016.96 --> 2019.10] have lots of media being [2019.10 --> 2019.98] added all the time but [2019.98 --> 2020.66] I don't think that's the [2020.66 --> 2021.58] use case for a lot of [2021.58 --> 2021.80] people. [2021.98 --> 2023.68] I think most people those [2023.68 --> 2024.98] kind of periodical backups [2024.98 --> 2026.90] every three to six [2026.90 --> 2028.04] months is probably [2028.04 --> 2028.70] sufficient. [2029.78 --> 2032.52] So build yourself you [2032.52 --> 2035.42] know a small mini ITX [2035.42 --> 2037.80] couple of bay box and [2037.80 --> 2039.62] you know stick the [2039.62 --> 2040.82] perfect media server stack [2040.82 --> 2041.60] on there and you'll be [2041.60 --> 2042.02] good to go. [2042.02 --> 2043.94] Yeah thankfully eight [2043.94 --> 2045.02] terabytes is a really [2045.02 --> 2046.86] pretty pretty doable [2046.86 --> 2047.64] problem to solve. [2048.14 --> 2048.86] So you know of course [2048.86 --> 2049.60] you want more than that [2049.60 --> 2050.34] you're gonna you know at [2050.34 --> 2051.70] least at least I'd say go [2051.70 --> 2053.28] 12 terabytes if not more [2053.28 --> 2054.74] if you already are using [2054.74 --> 2056.34] eight terabytes and you [2056.34 --> 2056.90] could probably even [2056.90 --> 2058.84] justify a bit more than [2058.84 --> 2059.06] that. [2059.48 --> 2060.54] That's some great strategy [2060.54 --> 2061.70] advice right there and [2061.70 --> 2062.74] perfect timing for the [2062.74 --> 2064.54] show too so so best of [2064.54 --> 2064.78] luck. [2065.12 --> 2066.20] I would take a look at [2066.20 --> 2069.04] amazon.de quite often [2069.04 --> 2070.94] have the Western Digital [2070.94 --> 2072.28] what are they called [2072.28 --> 2072.68] over there? [2072.98 --> 2073.80] They're not easy stores [2073.80 --> 2074.62] because they're Best Buy [2074.62 --> 2075.74] like US centric ones [2075.74 --> 2077.66] they're called MyBooks I [2077.66 --> 2078.74] think in Europe. [2079.30 --> 2080.66] You can quite often get [2080.66 --> 2082.50] those for a you know 10 [2082.50 --> 2084.06] 12 14 terabyte hard drive [2084.06 --> 2086.34] in the 200 250 euro [2086.34 --> 2088.16] range so that would be a [2088.16 --> 2089.14] good place to start it's [2089.14 --> 2089.72] not going to be super [2089.72 --> 2090.08] cheap. [2090.74 --> 2092.76] My philosophy with regards [2092.76 --> 2094.84] to how much local storage [2094.84 --> 2096.58] do I need versus cloud is [2096.58 --> 2099.36] it's up to you right it's [2099.36 --> 2101.42] it's your personal risk [2101.42 --> 2103.28] profile or and how [2103.28 --> 2104.84] important is this data to [2104.84 --> 2105.14] you? [2106.04 --> 2106.82] Are you going to be upset [2106.82 --> 2108.44] if if backblaze and I [2108.44 --> 2108.86] don't know if they're [2108.86 --> 2110.28] going to but if they turn [2110.28 --> 2111.60] around next week and you [2111.60 --> 2112.76] know triple their prices [2112.76 --> 2113.36] what are you going to do [2113.36 --> 2114.02] if that happens? [2115.02 --> 2116.16] If you have a hard drive [2116.16 --> 2118.54] in your closet you know [2118.54 --> 2120.40] up front what that cost is [2120.40 --> 2121.20] going to be what the total [2121.20 --> 2122.22] cost of ownership for that [2122.22 --> 2124.10] that storage is going to be [2124.10 --> 2125.04] and there's there'll be no [2125.04 --> 2126.10] surprises or anything like [2126.10 --> 2127.72] that so I mean you're [2127.72 --> 2128.38] talking to a guy that's got [2128.38 --> 2129.36] 100 terabytes in his [2129.36 --> 2130.42] basement so maybe I'm not [2130.42 --> 2132.26] the right guy to speak to [2132.26 --> 2132.88] you know. [2133.14 --> 2134.12] And the other guy who's [2134.12 --> 2134.84] like I need to get more [2134.84 --> 2135.88] disk as fast as possible [2135.88 --> 2136.96] I've only got 12 terabytes [2136.96 --> 2138.94] free right now like yeah [2138.94 --> 2141.46] yeah but really there's so [2141.46 --> 2143.56] many ways to solve it but [2143.56 --> 2144.58] I'd love to hear what you [2144.58 --> 2145.78] do so go to self-hosted [2145.78 --> 2146.90] dot show slash contact to [2146.90 --> 2148.50] update us and then Scott [2148.50 --> 2149.32] wrote in with another [2149.32 --> 2150.90] another question I have a [2150.90 --> 2152.14] sense the audience may have [2152.14 --> 2153.30] a few answers for us so [2153.30 --> 2154.42] keep that contact link in [2154.42 --> 2155.88] mind he says I was hoping [2155.88 --> 2156.52] you could make a [2156.52 --> 2158.00] recommendation for self-hosted [2158.00 --> 2160.60] online cookbook my mother [2160.60 --> 2162.34] has a huge cookbook full of [2162.34 --> 2164.48] old family recipes which I [2164.48 --> 2165.52] would like to digitalize [2165.52 --> 2168.16] ideally with OCR and the [2168.16 --> 2169.44] ability to take and search [2169.44 --> 2170.48] the recipes as well as [2170.48 --> 2172.00] preserving original image of [2172.00 --> 2173.36] the old handwritten family [2173.36 --> 2175.60] recipe Scott I love this [2175.60 --> 2177.32] idea what do you think [2177.32 --> 2178.70] Alex has anything come to [2178.70 --> 2180.12] mind for you well we [2180.12 --> 2181.68] covered chow down a little [2181.68 --> 2183.40] while ago as a self-hosted [2183.40 --> 2185.26] recipes app there is another [2185.26 --> 2186.98] one which whilst we're doing [2186.98 --> 2188.44] this segment I will try and [2188.44 --> 2190.02] find which I can't remember [2190.02 --> 2191.86] right now but there is also [2191.86 --> 2194.22] an old JB project isn't it [2194.22 --> 2196.26] yeah that's true that is true [2196.26 --> 2198.56] there is the the open your [2198.56 --> 2200.30] mouth recipes which we [2200.30 --> 2201.56] actually used GitHub and [2201.56 --> 2203.30] Markdown for those I was [2203.30 --> 2204.18] thinking you know Scott could [2204.18 --> 2206.54] get started with even out any [2206.54 --> 2207.96] without any software selected [2207.96 --> 2209.36] yet by just getting good [2209.36 --> 2212.26] quality captures of those cards [2212.26 --> 2213.84] and he's gonna want probably [2213.84 --> 2214.98] something he can take over to [2214.98 --> 2216.90] grandma's house or mom's house [2216.90 --> 2219.98] or whoever whoever the the [2219.98 --> 2220.70] family members you want to [2220.70 --> 2221.60] capture these from because why [2221.60 --> 2223.14] not get them all right you [2223.14 --> 2224.50] could probably get away with [2224.50 --> 2226.56] something like scan bot or the [2226.56 --> 2229.16] other available scanning apps on [2229.16 --> 2230.02] your phone but you might look [2230.02 --> 2231.10] into scanner options too and [2231.10 --> 2232.80] just start there start getting the [2232.80 --> 2234.86] high quality images from there and [2234.86 --> 2237.06] then the software will come I [2237.06 --> 2238.60] found it okay it's called [2238.60 --> 2243.70] vapeen 1111 slash recipes what a [2243.70 --> 2245.68] catchy name huh it's a Django [2245.68 --> 2247.26] application designed for managing [2247.26 --> 2249.96] recipes and it's a web app so I [2249.96 --> 2251.56] would imagine it runs out of a [2251.56 --> 2253.52] container but it's got a search [2253.52 --> 2256.26] built on top of Django's trigram [2256.26 --> 2259.24] similarity search engine and it [2259.24 --> 2260.72] allows you to create and search for [2260.72 --> 2263.28] tags and assign them in batches to [2263.28 --> 2264.64] certain files matching certain [2264.64 --> 2266.90] criteria it will sync with both [2266.90 --> 2269.80] dropbox and next cloud with more [2269.80 --> 2271.62] support being added every every [2271.62 --> 2273.96] week and you can import lots of [2273.96 --> 2275.72] recipes from different websites [2275.72 --> 2278.14] with JSON objects and stuff like [2278.14 --> 2279.94] that and there are also apps for [2279.94 --> 2281.52] mobile devices like phones and [2281.52 --> 2283.96] tablets so yeah lots and lots of [2283.96 --> 2285.80] stuff in there runs in a docker [2285.80 --> 2289.38] this is what the reddit collective [2289.38 --> 2292.98] thought recommends at the moment so I [2292.98 --> 2294.56] haven't tried this one I just [2294.56 --> 2295.72] haven't got to it but it's on my [2295.72 --> 2297.00] short list so go and take a look at [2297.00 --> 2299.10] that link in the show notes I also [2299.10 --> 2302.16] recall that groceries had a bit of a [2302.16 --> 2304.12] recipe manager I don't recall how [2304.12 --> 2306.76] extensive it was but that's a past [2306.76 --> 2308.92] pick too so we'll put links to all of [2308.92 --> 2310.06] these the one that Alex just talked [2310.06 --> 2312.02] about you could see the example of [2312.02 --> 2313.34] how we used open your mouth on [2313.34 --> 2315.08] github and just made it a community [2315.08 --> 2316.30] project so you could have multiple [2316.30 --> 2317.78] family members that contribute that [2317.78 --> 2320.02] way or perhaps somebody out there will [2320.02 --> 2322.34] know a great software project that we [2322.34 --> 2323.86] haven't mentioned and inform us all [2323.86 --> 2325.40] itself posted that show slash contact [2325.40 --> 2327.58] the last one in our holiday [2327.58 --> 2329.82] extravaganza mailbag here is a jasua [2329.82 --> 2332.90] writes in regarding thoughts that were [2332.90 --> 2334.84] inspired by self hosted episode 33 [2334.84 --> 2337.58] triggered by the helio 64 discussion he [2337.58 --> 2338.92] says hey guys I was listening to your [2338.92 --> 2340.82] review of the helio 64 with some [2340.82 --> 2342.38] interest since I am the owner of their [2342.38 --> 2344.86] previous product the helios for I [2345.56 --> 2346.92] believe the points you make about [2346.92 --> 2348.84] software are quite valid yet I'd like to [2348.84 --> 2350.46] point out that there's a really hard [2350.46 --> 2353.02] problem to solve I work personally with [2353.02 --> 2355.40] a company in Israel that makes SBCs and [2355.40 --> 2358.62] SOMs mostly with ARM based system on [2358.62 --> 2361.06] chips it's my job to make Debian [2361.06 --> 2362.76] available for each product to their [2362.76 --> 2365.62] customers long ago when I started I [2365.62 --> 2367.12] really wanted to do this the right way [2367.12 --> 2369.14] I submitted bug reports and patches to [2369.14 --> 2370.50] the Debian project for enabling all [2370.50 --> 2373.04] kinds of small things a kernel.config for [2373.04 --> 2374.68] a driver here a customized boot script [2374.68 --> 2377.12] there enabling open GL ES backends and [2377.12 --> 2379.88] shared libraries and continuously watching [2379.88 --> 2382.42] and testing the distributions for things [2382.42 --> 2385.04] that break turns out I never got to the [2385.04 --> 2386.78] point where I could give customers a [2386.78 --> 2388.64] pure Debian system there's always [2388.64 --> 2390.54] another tweak that I had to carry out [2390.54 --> 2392.78] of tree so to this day I'm creating [2392.78 --> 2394.54] block device images with custom kernel [2394.54 --> 2397.54] packages integrated binary blobs and [2397.54 --> 2398.96] maybe a systemd service for loading [2398.96 --> 2401.12] Bluetooth firmware and even patch parts [2401.12 --> 2404.06] of X or Wayland so why do I tell you [2404.06 --> 2406.10] all of this well the reason being for a [2406.10 --> 2407.74] new product it takes time and [2407.74 --> 2410.10] continued effort for mainlining all the [2410.10 --> 2411.94] things and the experience can differ [2411.94 --> 2414.38] largely by a particular SoC in your [2414.38 --> 2416.64] hands and you'll find that despite even [2416.64 --> 2417.84] when the vendor does everything right [2417.84 --> 2420.14] it's still not perfect to really solve [2420.14 --> 2421.48] this problem there has to be a way for [2421.48 --> 2423.14] hardware makers who are both capable and [2423.14 --> 2424.76] willing to do the work to achieve [2424.76 --> 2426.26] something greater than what I was able [2426.26 --> 2429.18] to do in my job in his opinion it's just [2429.18 --> 2430.74] not there yet he says Alex that the [2430.74 --> 2433.64] ecosystem just can't support the kind of [2433.64 --> 2435.64] rapid support that the hardware needs at [2435.64 --> 2437.38] this stage and you know after reading [2437.38 --> 2439.46] this I was thinking look at the [2439.46 --> 2441.98] Raspberry Pi it's been around forever [2441.98 --> 2443.34] and of course they've had iterations [2443.34 --> 2445.26] that have changed things but you really [2445.26 --> 2447.82] still even there you kind of have to get [2447.82 --> 2451.38] an image that's at least been tested [2451.38 --> 2453.58] for the Raspberry Pi you can now get the [2453.58 --> 2455.68] Ubuntu ARM image and it will boot on the [2455.68 --> 2457.98] Raspberry Pi but that's only just recently [2457.98 --> 2459.96] it's and it's really not there with all [2459.96 --> 2462.10] distros yeah you make a good point I [2462.10 --> 2464.76] mean the Ubuntu image for the Pi 4 has [2464.76 --> 2466.96] made a big difference for me to the [2466.96 --> 2468.94] overall kind of feel of it being a real [2468.94 --> 2472.34] air quotes a real device and it's now in [2472.34 --> 2474.22] production for me I'm using it as Pi KVM [2474.22 --> 2476.76] which ironically runs on Arch but anyway [2476.76 --> 2479.56] yeah I agree with you I mean I ended up [2479.56 --> 2481.50] getting ZFS working on the Helios 64 [2481.50 --> 2484.66] after the review in the end it was a few [2484.66 --> 2486.56] days it was a kernel update and DKMS [2486.56 --> 2489.50] started working again but yeah I just [2489.50 --> 2492.50] don't know how without you know an [2492.50 --> 2494.58] Apple level of control over both the [2494.58 --> 2496.54] hardware and software you could ever hope [2496.54 --> 2499.98] to solve this problem fully slow but [2499.98 --> 2501.82] steady there are standards like server [2501.82 --> 2505.38] ready that try to solve this more for the [2505.38 --> 2507.40] data center but those lessons could be [2507.40 --> 2508.94] learned in the consumer devices but [2508.94 --> 2511.30] there's just not necessarily the vendor [2511.30 --> 2513.42] buy-in and there's not necessarily the [2513.42 --> 2515.26] vendor buy-in to support the development [2515.26 --> 2516.66] right that's an area where they could [2516.66 --> 2518.58] apply a little bit of leverage they could [2518.58 --> 2520.50] hire people to just write the code and [2520.50 --> 2522.12] contribute it more and participate in [2522.12 --> 2525.34] these projects but it's only it's only so [2525.34 --> 2528.40] scalable and it's really not a problem we [2528.40 --> 2531.76] have on the x86 side of things we're so [2531.76 --> 2534.70] kind of swept up by the power usage of arm [2534.70 --> 2538.06] or the small size form factor or the price [2538.06 --> 2540.84] point I think we forget some of the [2540.84 --> 2542.68] luxuries that we've gained over the years [2542.68 --> 2545.04] with the x86 platform it just works you [2545.04 --> 2546.24] don't have to think about it you don't [2546.24 --> 2550.18] have to grab a special version of a linux [2550.18 --> 2553.12] distro or windows or whatever it is to [2553.12 --> 2556.46] to run on it and with apple changing to [2556.46 --> 2560.16] arm you know based cpus it is that's the [2560.16 --> 2561.84] first real departure that mainstream [2561.84 --> 2565.72] computing has seen from x86 instruction [2565.72 --> 2568.78] sets for 15 years yep and I think that's [2568.78 --> 2572.36] going to influence hopefully in five years [2572.36 --> 2574.82] time or so the rest of the industry will [2574.82 --> 2576.60] will be in a similar position to where [2576.60 --> 2578.30] apple are now with that kind of level of [2578.30 --> 2580.82] integration of course apple will be five [2580.82 --> 2582.44] years further down the road by then so [2582.44 --> 2584.42] who knows maybe they'll never catch up [2584.42 --> 2587.32] but it's a really interesting time for [2587.32 --> 2590.08] sure and I really want to support these [2590.08 --> 2593.20] guys doing these projects like like [2593.20 --> 2596.06] COBOL you know they're a small team you [2596.06 --> 2597.24] know they're not they're not doing this [2597.24 --> 2599.04] to become millionaires overnight you know [2599.04 --> 2600.70] it's they're doing it for the love I'm [2600.70 --> 2603.22] sure and they made a really great [2603.22 --> 2605.10] product it just missed in a few key areas [2605.10 --> 2607.22] so I wanted to let some of the listeners [2607.22 --> 2611.36] know that I will be selling my Helios 64 [2611.36 --> 2613.50] so if you're interested in the market just [2613.50 --> 2615.82] let me know via Twitter you know you'd [2615.82 --> 2616.88] have to wait for it to ship or anything [2616.88 --> 2618.78] for the next batch we'll sort something [2618.78 --> 2620.32] out just leave a little stink on it when [2620.32 --> 2621.58] you ship it out let's make it real [2621.58 --> 2623.84] special okay get a little bit of your [2623.84 --> 2626.00] stink on there I'll sign the inside in [2626.00 --> 2629.90] Tippex or something how about that I want [2629.90 --> 2631.56] to say also a special thank you to our [2631.56 --> 2633.90] members at self hosted dot show slash sre [2633.90 --> 2635.74] you can become a site reliability engineer [2635.74 --> 2638.22] for this show you get a limited ad feed [2638.22 --> 2640.68] and you get extra content you get a post [2640.68 --> 2642.56] show I think 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