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-[0.00 --> 4.32]  Well, here we are, fresh back from Denver. We're joined by Brent again, who's still hanging around.
-[4.56 --> 6.52]  And Chris, hey, hi, how are you doing, gentlemen?
-[7.12 --> 8.74]  Hello. Hey, Brent, thanks for coming in again.
-[8.96 --> 10.36]  Hey, thanks. It's good to be here.
-[10.40 --> 14.46]  You're like our de-Google correspondent, and we're going to be talking a lot about that this week.
-[14.76 --> 15.44]  Beep-de-beep, beep-de-beep.
-[15.50 --> 16.34]  Beep-beep-beep-beep-beep.
-[18.38 --> 22.52]  Yeah, well, my dumbass mentioned de-Googling just the week before.
-[22.64 --> 26.36]  We're taking a massive trip, and I'd have zero hours to actually do any prep for the episode.
-[26.96 --> 33.50]  Luckily, the audience saw fit to write in with about 800 emails telling us all the different ways that they're doing it.
-[33.56 --> 37.20]  So we're going to come across some of those later on in the show.
-[37.72 --> 39.40]  But in the meantime...
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-[51.14 --> 52.88]  I followed through on my challenge, Alex.
-[52.88 --> 65.00]  I de-Googled my map experience, which was crazy because we are on the road, and I was navigating Denver and now Colorado Springs for the entire time, the duration of this challenge.
-[65.36 --> 69.06]  So I will report back on my results when we get to the feedback.
-[69.50 --> 73.84]  But I think we should start with this news story that, I don't know, it's kind of a bummer, actually.
-[74.24 --> 75.64]  I was really sad to see this, yes.
-[75.64 --> 83.84]  Back in episode 33, we did a review of the Helios 64 Ultimate Arm-Powered NAS.
-[84.64 --> 88.70]  And unfortunately, the Cobalt team today have announced on their blog that they're pulling the plug.
-[89.20 --> 90.50]  Yeah, no more.
-[90.60 --> 94.28]  They're not even going to do the next batch that there's already orders in the pipeline for.
-[94.36 --> 96.50]  They say it really comes down to just two key points.
-[96.50 --> 103.88]  There's ongoing difficulties with manufacturing and procuring parts and costs of getting higher and higher.
-[104.56 --> 105.42]  That's been a problem.
-[105.50 --> 107.52]  And they say, number two, they made a rookie mistake.
-[107.70 --> 109.12]  They stretched themselves too thin.
-[109.64 --> 112.92]  They essentially went into the Helios 64 while just being a three-man show.
-[113.12 --> 115.14]  And they should have brought more people on board.
-[115.42 --> 116.36]  And they burned out.
-[116.36 --> 123.62]  You know, we got a really interesting insight into this manufacturing difficulties during our System76 factory tour last week,
-[123.82 --> 131.88]  where Jeremy, who is the guy that designed some of the firmware chips and some of the firmware itself for the launch keyboard,
-[132.04 --> 139.34]  was saying that they had to redesign on the fly two or three times some of the circuitry in that keyboard
-[139.34 --> 142.36]  because parts would go out of stock within hours.
-[142.36 --> 149.88]  And that he decided in the end to go ahead and order several, you know, hundred units of the parts they needed
-[149.88 --> 155.20]  before he'd actually finished the firmware so that it didn't go out of stock before he finished writing the code.
-[155.38 --> 161.72]  So if that's what System76 are up against, then they're probably a much larger player in this space than COBOL.
-[162.60 --> 164.94]  I can only imagine some of the issues that those guys are having.
-[165.20 --> 169.36]  It's a shame, though, because I think there's a lot of passion for an ARM-powered NAS,
-[169.36 --> 172.88]  specifically for those of us who are looking for low-power solutions.
-[173.54 --> 177.18]  We had some hopes that Helios was going to produce that for us.
-[177.44 --> 180.96]  Well, I think this speaks to some motivations that I've been feeling lately,
-[181.12 --> 185.12]  particularly after the last week getting the tour of the factory and seeing all the CNC machines
-[185.12 --> 187.22]  and all the powder coating stuff.
-[187.40 --> 191.56]  And, I mean, if ever you get the chance to be in Denver and do a tour of System76,
-[192.44 --> 194.08]  I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
-[194.20 --> 195.86]  You know, they're not a sponsor of the show or anything,
-[196.36 --> 198.22]  although they do sponsor other JB shows.
-[198.22 --> 199.62]  Just Coder, but yeah.
-[200.12 --> 201.42]  Oh, just Coder. That's right.
-[201.88 --> 203.74]  I mean, you know, maybe we should have them sponsor this show,
-[203.82 --> 207.86]  because those Thaleoses would make great NASes, so maybe they should be.
-[208.70 --> 211.20]  It was a truly inspirational experience for me.
-[211.24 --> 216.40]  So I'm sat here thinking, okay, COBOL, who was my hope, my light in this space,
-[216.46 --> 218.20]  has just bowed out.
-[218.30 --> 223.16]  Maybe Alex should start a company and build the ultimate NAS.
-[223.36 --> 224.68]  You know, maybe I should do that.
-[224.68 --> 226.98]  I think you've got a little bit of experience, Alex,
-[227.08 --> 229.96]  and some trials and tribulations that you've gone through already,
-[230.08 --> 231.20]  so maybe you're perfectly suited.
-[231.46 --> 234.16]  You could prototype 3D print the enclosure.
-[234.52 --> 236.26]  Well, you know, that was one of the things that struck me.
-[236.32 --> 239.26]  I know this is turning into a System76 factory tour recap,
-[239.56 --> 242.70]  but this is one of the things that struck me most during that tour, actually.
-[242.78 --> 245.50]  I asked them, you know, do you use 3D printing for your prototypes?
-[245.94 --> 249.16]  And they were like, well, no, it's just easier to do it in metal, isn't it?
-[249.52 --> 250.36]  And I'm like, is it?
-[250.36 --> 251.96]  Yeah, they used to.
-[252.20 --> 253.48]  Back in the day, they did.
-[253.68 --> 256.40]  I think one of the realities is that it's, with the equipment they have,
-[256.44 --> 258.12]  it's faster to make it out of metal.
-[258.30 --> 260.88]  It is really, you know, I think the reason why you keep coming back to it, Alex,
-[260.94 --> 266.40]  is because it is so hard to appreciate the amount of work that goes into manufacturing,
-[266.68 --> 268.08]  and that's an obvious thing to say.
-[268.50 --> 273.80]  But when you go to the factory, and you see every little thing they had to consider,
-[273.80 --> 277.90]  and when they're bringing things in as a block of aluminum,
-[277.90 --> 280.76]  and what's coming out on the other end is a keyboard or a case,
-[281.44 --> 286.04]  you really have no idea how intricate that process is until you see it.
-[286.52 --> 290.54]  And I think that's what is probably, I mean, that's what's resonated with me and stuck with me,
-[290.56 --> 292.10]  and I got to imagine probably for you, too.
-[292.66 --> 296.16]  Yeah, well, one example was Carl, who is the founder of System76.
-[296.58 --> 300.40]  I was just stood next to a shelf with loads of different parts in it,
-[300.40 --> 304.26]  and I picked up, like, an innocuous little nameplate, you know,
-[304.28 --> 306.28]  about the size of a dog tag or something like that,
-[306.62 --> 310.22]  and he jumped straight into a five-minute discussion telling me about all the different,
-[310.38 --> 312.80]  you know, reasons why they pick that particular size,
-[313.26 --> 315.58]  how it goes through their laser etching machine,
-[315.74 --> 318.20]  and how they're considering doing direct engraving instead,
-[318.32 --> 319.12]  and all that kind of stuff.
-[319.14 --> 323.50]  And I'm like, wow, if that's the amount of thought that goes into a nameplate,
-[323.50 --> 324.92]  or a serial number plate,
-[325.80 --> 330.38]  this is going to be a big mountain to solve if I want to try and do it myself.
-[330.68 --> 332.44]  That's what I take from it.
-[332.48 --> 335.02]  You take from it, hmm, maybe Alex could make a Nash.
-[335.06 --> 335.72]  That could be cool.
-[335.82 --> 338.80]  I take from it, oh, my God, I would have to build a factory,
-[338.80 --> 340.70]  and I would have to learn all this stuff.
-[341.12 --> 342.70]  Oh, well, that sounds fun, doesn't it?
-[342.96 --> 344.18]  Daunting, but fun.
-[344.66 --> 346.88]  Yeah, if I had another life,
-[347.52 --> 350.60]  if I had, like, you know, another hundred years,
-[350.68 --> 352.74]  I definitely would get into it for sure.
-[353.20 --> 355.46]  But you manufacture stuff every week as well,
-[355.50 --> 357.04]  and you ship podcasts every week.
-[357.04 --> 361.46]  Okay, you're not manufacturing aluminium into, you know, computer cases,
-[362.00 --> 364.68]  but you ship and manufacture stuff just the same.
-[364.92 --> 366.02]  That's true, and there have been many times
-[366.02 --> 367.82]  when we refer to our production pipeline
-[367.82 --> 369.42]  as kind of a manufacturing pipeline.
-[369.66 --> 374.92]  And if one component is delayed or, you know, gets out of order,
-[375.34 --> 376.46]  it does cause a jam up.
-[376.54 --> 379.10]  There is a lot of that kind of building tech around that.
-[379.18 --> 381.20]  Maybe that's why I don't have the appetite to do it again,
-[381.20 --> 383.34]  but I definitely would sit here and encourage you.
-[383.64 --> 385.12]  I'll be customer number one.
-[386.92 --> 387.80]  I'll be number two.
-[388.28 --> 390.68]  Well, there's a lot of roadblocks to overcome,
-[391.30 --> 393.58]  but if I could just bring it back to Cobol for a minute,
-[393.84 --> 395.80]  you know, one of the things I picked up on in my review
-[395.80 --> 398.56]  was that the product wasn't 100% finished,
-[398.62 --> 400.32]  and I've got to believe that with this news
-[400.32 --> 403.56]  that some of the issues that were present with that NAS now
-[403.56 --> 405.10]  will never be solved.
-[405.24 --> 407.24]  You know, things like the backplane breaking,
-[407.24 --> 410.24]  some of the plastic tabs, you know,
-[410.28 --> 411.64]  the power connector and data connector
-[411.64 --> 413.82]  on three of my hard drives, it turned out eventually.
-[414.74 --> 417.06]  Problems with the two and a half gigabit network adapter.
-[417.70 --> 419.20]  There was a bunch of other stuff as well.
-[419.36 --> 420.82]  You know, you can go and listen to episode 33
-[420.82 --> 421.84]  if you want the full review.
-[422.52 --> 424.74]  Well, I worry now this means that some of this stuff's
-[424.74 --> 425.84]  never going to get fixed.
-[426.48 --> 427.32]  Do you think you killed them?
-[427.46 --> 429.24]  Do you think that bad review killed them, Alex?
-[430.36 --> 431.26]  You murdered them.
-[431.74 --> 432.76]  Oh, don't say that.
-[432.82 --> 433.82]  I mean, I didn't mean to.
-[433.88 --> 434.94]  I was just trying to be honest.
-[434.94 --> 438.26]  It was presented in a way that I felt was constructive
-[438.26 --> 439.44]  to say that there are these,
-[439.92 --> 441.52]  it's a very promising piece of hardware.
-[441.64 --> 444.26]  I mean, the aluminium chassis was really lovely.
-[444.90 --> 446.78]  There was just a couple of key things that let it down,
-[446.84 --> 448.52]  you know, in terms of manufacturing tolerances
-[448.52 --> 449.88]  and a couple of firmware things.
-[450.04 --> 452.28]  But overall, they did a really great job.
-[452.32 --> 455.70]  And I wish there was some way we could tell them that,
-[455.74 --> 458.00]  you know, even though we weren't 100% positive,
-[458.00 --> 459.82]  it was just because we loved the idea,
-[459.92 --> 462.06]  not because we didn't want them to carry on and succeed.
-[462.64 --> 463.26]  I agree completely.
-[463.26 --> 466.52]  And they don't completely close the door in their blog post.
-[466.60 --> 468.10]  We'll have that linked in the show notes if you want.
-[468.16 --> 469.78]  They do kind of leave it cracked a little bit,
-[469.82 --> 470.76]  like maybe it'll come back.
-[471.14 --> 474.10]  But I wanted to shift gears and talk about something
-[474.10 --> 476.12]  that could solve a big problem for me.
-[476.20 --> 478.30]  I actually went out and I pre-ordered
-[478.30 --> 481.14]  a bunch of Wyze 3 cameras a long time ago.
-[481.18 --> 483.74]  And I have a box of Wyze 3 cameras
-[483.74 --> 485.36]  that I haven't installed
-[485.36 --> 489.30]  because they do not yet have an RTMP firmware
-[489.30 --> 491.72]  or an RTSP firmware for Wyze 3.
-[492.06 --> 493.92]  But Alex, I think you've solved that this week.
-[494.14 --> 495.86]  Yeah, I don't know where I came across this,
-[495.98 --> 497.76]  but I found a Docker container
-[497.76 --> 500.62]  that is called Docker Wyze Bridge.
-[500.84 --> 502.12]  Link in the show notes, of course.
-[502.48 --> 504.08]  And essentially what this does
-[504.08 --> 507.62]  is you give it your Wyze username and password
-[507.62 --> 509.86]  and it goes and sort of acts as an intermediary
-[509.86 --> 512.18]  between the Wyze API and the cameras.
-[512.18 --> 514.80]  And somehow it hooks into the local feed
-[514.80 --> 516.00]  on the cameras on your LAN
-[516.00 --> 520.22]  and then presents you with a normal RTSP stream.
-[520.44 --> 522.26]  So I've just got that feeding into Blue Iris
-[522.26 --> 524.28]  and it just works.
-[524.78 --> 525.52]  That's fascinating.
-[525.78 --> 528.18]  And yeah, it can actually do both.
-[528.26 --> 530.52]  It can pull from the Wyze servers
-[530.52 --> 531.68]  using your credentials.
-[532.24 --> 534.00]  Or with your credentials, it can use that.
-[534.10 --> 535.88]  There's a library that the app uses
-[535.88 --> 538.50]  and it essentially does a discovery on your network.
-[539.22 --> 541.04]  And the Wyze app does this as well.
-[541.04 --> 544.24]  And if it detects the camera, it uses LAN mode
-[544.24 --> 546.10]  and it just does that locally
-[546.10 --> 548.20]  and avoids the cloud relay.
-[548.92 --> 551.02]  And you can also in your Docker Compose,
-[551.10 --> 553.30]  there is an environment variable you can pass through
-[553.30 --> 555.82]  that says LAN underscore only that says,
-[556.00 --> 557.84]  don't even try the remote thing.
-[558.30 --> 560.66]  Only stream if you can locally detect them.
-[561.06 --> 562.72]  And that was the piece I was curious about.
-[562.78 --> 563.84]  That's why I dug into this.
-[563.92 --> 566.04]  And that means I could absolutely do this here in the RV,
-[566.22 --> 567.94]  which means I could replace these Wyze cams
-[567.94 --> 568.88]  that have been giving me trouble.
-[568.88 --> 570.20]  The version two was good,
-[570.20 --> 572.20]  but just didn't have enough horsepower,
-[572.44 --> 574.26]  didn't really work so great at night.
-[574.58 --> 576.14]  And the Wyze 3 solves those.
-[576.60 --> 578.54]  And with this Docker Wyze bridge,
-[578.58 --> 581.32]  which seems to have a decent community around it as well
-[581.32 --> 582.50]  and some active development,
-[583.10 --> 585.54]  I think my problems have been solved.
-[585.82 --> 587.46]  And I'll give this a go, I think,
-[587.48 --> 589.28]  once we get back into our home base.
-[589.28 --> 591.14]  So far as I can tell,
-[591.24 --> 593.56]  it only works on the V3 cameras.
-[593.80 --> 596.92]  So I've got a couple of V2s flashed with the RTSP firmware
-[596.92 --> 599.02]  and a couple of V3s.
-[599.12 --> 601.24]  And the app will, in its logs,
-[601.36 --> 603.58]  show me a bunch of errors for the two V2 cameras.
-[604.04 --> 605.68]  I don't know if that's because I'm running the,
-[605.74 --> 608.60]  you know, custom firmware or whatever it is.
-[609.30 --> 612.56]  But the performance with the V3s is great.
-[612.66 --> 614.74]  We've been using it as a baby monitor for my daughter.
-[614.74 --> 617.16]  And the night vision on there is just,
-[617.50 --> 618.66]  it's like daytime.
-[618.94 --> 619.86]  It's wonderful.
-[620.44 --> 621.78]  They blew it out of the park with the night vision.
-[622.00 --> 623.48]  It's tricky with the firmwares.
-[623.62 --> 625.22]  So this is an issue.
-[625.34 --> 626.30]  And I'm glad you brought it up
-[626.30 --> 627.68]  because we need to mention this on the show.
-[628.28 --> 630.06]  And they have it on their GitHub page.
-[630.20 --> 635.24]  There is a slightly older version of the firmware for V2
-[635.24 --> 637.24]  that is compatible with the bridge.
-[637.38 --> 640.16]  But if you use the latest firmware for V2,
-[640.68 --> 641.56]  it doesn't work.
-[641.56 --> 646.82]  And that actually holds true for some instances of the V3 model too.
-[646.90 --> 648.22]  So there's a version that does work
-[648.22 --> 649.92]  and there's a version that doesn't work with the V3
-[649.92 --> 651.90]  and the pan camera as well.
-[652.28 --> 653.92]  Anyways, the links in the show notes,
-[654.02 --> 655.40]  you do need to check into that
-[655.40 --> 659.34]  because I may have a really old firmware.
-[659.60 --> 660.60]  And so I'm going to have a hard time
-[660.60 --> 663.12]  getting just the right compatible firmware in some cases,
-[663.26 --> 665.20]  but they have all the information you need.
-[665.92 --> 668.80]  Back in episode 48, we talked about the Pi KVM,
-[668.80 --> 671.36]  you know, that wonderful Raspberry Pi
-[671.36 --> 677.22]  that captures HDMI and basically acts like a BMC KVM type thing.
-[677.64 --> 678.44]  Well, good news.
-[678.62 --> 682.34]  Their version 3 hat has finally entered Kickstarter mode.
-[682.86 --> 684.52]  It is a little pricey.
-[684.78 --> 688.24]  So the main hat, which doesn't include a Raspberry Pi,
-[688.80 --> 690.12]  costs $145.
-[690.52 --> 693.38]  So by the time you've added a Pi as well and a case,
-[693.38 --> 696.02]  it's going to be north of $200.
-[697.20 --> 699.16]  But you do get a lot of useful stuff in there,
-[699.22 --> 702.34]  like a USB-C bridge and CSI, you know, cables,
-[702.44 --> 703.18]  all that kind of stuff.
-[703.94 --> 706.82]  Now, Wendell's done a video about this on his channel on YouTube.
-[707.20 --> 707.86]  So if you're curious,
-[707.90 --> 709.80]  you can go and find out more about it over there.
-[710.72 --> 712.12]  I do wonder about the price.
-[712.14 --> 713.04]  And what do you think, Chris,
-[713.24 --> 715.06]  at that sort of $200 level?
-[715.06 --> 717.56]  Is that too much?
-[718.40 --> 720.10]  So it looks like right now on Kickstarter,
-[720.50 --> 723.90]  it's $145 and you'd get it by October 2021,
-[724.20 --> 725.72]  which seems pretty reasonable to me.
-[726.28 --> 731.42]  The price is, yeah, it feels high for a hat.
-[732.10 --> 734.72]  Now, I think the price is a little more reasonable
-[734.72 --> 736.16]  if you make the assumption
-[736.16 --> 738.54]  that just about everybody already has a Raspberry Pi 4
-[738.54 --> 740.80]  that would want to use something like this, right?
-[740.80 --> 743.40]  If you're going to use a Raspberry Pi-powered
-[743.40 --> 745.92]  keyboard video mouse switcher,
-[745.92 --> 748.80]  you probably already got a couple of Pis laying around.
-[749.26 --> 749.98]  So I don't think,
-[750.18 --> 751.50]  I think you just kind of null that out
-[751.50 --> 752.90]  because that's already a sunk cost.
-[753.00 --> 754.62]  And so it really is just the $145.
-[755.30 --> 758.34]  Now, you tell me, Alex, like how solid is this?
-[758.40 --> 760.60]  Is this, are you still using it?
-[760.66 --> 763.72]  Is it worth $145 now that you've used it for a bit?
-[764.84 --> 768.72]  I'm thinking I probably couldn't get a good KVM at that price.
-[769.18 --> 769.92]  I probably couldn't.
-[770.02 --> 772.50]  So I'd have to go with your word though,
-[772.50 --> 773.14]  if it's worth that.
-[773.44 --> 775.86]  Well, I'll tell you what I'm comparing it to in my mind, at least.
-[775.92 --> 779.40]  And that is a motherboard with IPMI built in.
-[779.78 --> 783.34]  So I'm actually going back to England in a couple of weeks
-[783.34 --> 786.44]  to go and introduce granddaughter to grandparents.
-[786.96 --> 788.32]  So hello, if you're listening.
-[789.12 --> 790.38]  And as part of that, I was thinking,
-[790.48 --> 791.82]  well, it would be nice to upgrade my,
-[791.98 --> 794.26]  you know, nearly 10 year old server in England
-[794.26 --> 795.78]  with a slightly more modern motherboard
-[795.78 --> 797.90]  and a slightly more modern IPMI implementation
-[797.90 --> 799.42]  that isn't based around Java.
-[799.42 --> 805.64]  And an eighth gen motherboard costs me around $150,
-[806.28 --> 808.72]  give or take, depending on the features that I want.
-[809.06 --> 811.56]  And I was looking at some ASRock rack stuff,
-[811.80 --> 814.96]  which thanks to, you know, the current chip shortage
-[814.96 --> 818.70]  seems to be in the $300, $250 to $300 range.
-[818.70 --> 821.40]  And so if I look at that and think,
-[821.52 --> 826.48]  I've got a built-in IPMI directly on the motherboard
-[826.48 --> 829.56]  that I know is going to be absolutely rock solid
-[829.56 --> 831.64]  versus an external device,
-[831.74 --> 834.68]  which in my experience has been good,
-[834.76 --> 836.38]  but it's still an external device.
-[836.50 --> 837.82]  And, you know, it's another power supply.
-[837.98 --> 840.44]  It's another operating system to keep updated,
-[840.68 --> 841.52]  et cetera, et cetera,
-[841.52 --> 844.18]  which in some respects could be a good thing.
-[844.18 --> 846.00]  In other respects could be a bad thing.
-[846.72 --> 848.68]  So the cost is kind of a wash, you know,
-[848.72 --> 850.56]  it's about the same to get a built-in
-[850.56 --> 852.36]  versus this external unit.
-[853.88 --> 855.46]  Probably just go for the built-in one,
-[855.60 --> 856.58]  to be honest with you.
-[857.36 --> 861.06]  Except for the fact that this Pi version
-[861.06 --> 862.98]  using the HDMI switch,
-[863.14 --> 865.54]  which is linked in the blog post in episode 48
-[865.54 --> 868.38]  that I talked about in that episode,
-[869.00 --> 870.78]  I've actually got three devices
-[870.78 --> 873.08]  hanging off this single Pi.
-[873.08 --> 875.10]  And that has actually worked really, really well.
-[875.30 --> 877.66]  So if you're able to spit that $150
-[877.66 --> 879.74]  between three devices,
-[880.18 --> 882.68]  suddenly that tips the scales quite a bit.
-[883.30 --> 883.50]  Hmm.
-[883.92 --> 885.38]  I also could see some value in there
-[885.38 --> 886.96]  if you needed to add it to devices
-[886.96 --> 888.86]  that IPMI wouldn't be an option.
-[889.30 --> 890.04]  Like, you know,
-[890.08 --> 892.44]  I'd love to have console-level access
-[892.44 --> 893.90]  to my studio machines right now
-[893.90 --> 894.68]  while I'm remote,
-[894.76 --> 895.50]  while I'm here in Denver.
-[895.92 --> 896.98]  For your other Raspberry Pis?
-[897.36 --> 898.20]  Yeah, that too.
-[898.40 --> 899.34]  It would be a great way
-[899.34 --> 901.22]  to get console access to my Raspberry Pis.
-[901.22 --> 902.00]  Oh, okay.
-[902.58 --> 903.02]  All right.
-[903.08 --> 904.66]  Now you're making me think
-[904.66 --> 906.08]  maybe I should back this.
-[907.60 --> 908.42]  Damn it, Alex.
-[908.74 --> 910.62]  Well, now I've actually been in Lady Dupes.
-[911.52 --> 913.42]  I've seen how you cool your
-[913.42 --> 914.72]  air quotes server cupboard.
-[916.74 --> 917.70]  It's pretty cool.
-[920.04 --> 921.50]  Hey man, I just got to get airflow.
-[921.70 --> 922.48]  That's all that matters.
-[922.58 --> 923.80]  I just got to get airflow.
-[924.42 --> 926.92]  How hot was it in the RV
-[926.92 --> 929.08]  whilst you were parked at System76 last week?
-[929.18 --> 930.40]  A hundred and seven?
-[930.72 --> 931.92]  Yeah, it was a hundred and seven.
-[932.04 --> 933.58]  I think the hottest we ever got in here,
-[933.62 --> 934.58]  though, was actually Nebraska.
-[934.78 --> 936.64]  I think it got near to 120 in here
-[936.64 --> 937.72]  while we were recording.
-[938.12 --> 939.40]  Which actually, it was impressive
-[939.40 --> 940.90]  because the server, quote,
-[941.10 --> 942.64]  room was the coolest place
-[942.64 --> 944.02]  in the whole RV at that time.
-[947.22 --> 949.50]  Leno.com slash SSH.
-[949.50 --> 952.28]  Go there to get $100 in 60-day credit
-[952.28 --> 952.90]  on a new account.
-[953.22 --> 954.60]  And you go there to support the show.
-[954.84 --> 955.96]  Hey guys, guess what?
-[956.04 --> 957.36]  This week's episode marks
-[957.36 --> 958.50]  our one-year anniversary
-[958.50 --> 959.94]  going independent again.
-[960.42 --> 960.70]  Yay!
-[961.12 --> 961.58]  How about that?
-[961.62 --> 962.38]  How awesome is that?
-[962.74 --> 964.02]  It's so cool
-[964.02 --> 965.90]  because Linode helped make that possible.
-[966.06 --> 967.84]  Amongst our member support
-[967.84 --> 968.58]  and those of you
-[968.58 --> 969.52]  who went over to
-[969.52 --> 971.16]  linode.com slash SSH.
-[971.16 --> 972.16]  We're here now,
-[972.34 --> 973.66]  rocking a year of independence.
-[974.00 --> 974.76]  And Linode,
-[974.96 --> 977.10]  they've been independent since 2003.
-[977.48 --> 980.12]  So they've really figured this out.
-[980.22 --> 982.34]  Like that's 18 years of focusing
-[982.34 --> 984.22]  on just being awesome
-[984.22 --> 985.56]  at cloud computing.
-[985.76 --> 987.48]  They started when it was new
-[987.48 --> 988.80]  and they have just evolved with it
-[988.80 --> 990.06]  and they have remained competitive
-[990.06 --> 991.12]  and sharp.
-[991.40 --> 992.96]  They have 11 global data centers
-[992.96 --> 994.60]  serving nearly a million customers
-[994.60 --> 996.22]  and businesses around the globe.
-[996.22 --> 997.00]  But really,
-[997.20 --> 998.98]  their mission remains unchanged
-[998.98 --> 1000.38]  since 18 years ago.
-[1000.86 --> 1002.36]  Make cloud computing simple,
-[1002.62 --> 1002.94]  affordable,
-[1003.10 --> 1004.04]  and accessible to all.
-[1004.36 --> 1005.74]  If you set up thousands of servers
-[1005.74 --> 1006.86]  or if you've never set up
-[1006.86 --> 1007.58]  a server before,
-[1008.00 --> 1009.06]  Linode can make that work.
-[1009.16 --> 1010.18]  I know it sounds like
-[1010.18 --> 1011.04]  an impossible task.
-[1011.48 --> 1012.78]  That's why I rave about them.
-[1012.82 --> 1014.00]  They've really done a great job.
-[1014.36 --> 1015.18]  We've been using
-[1015.18 --> 1016.80]  the absolute schmeck
-[1016.80 --> 1018.16]  out of their S3 compatible
-[1018.16 --> 1019.08]  object storage.
-[1019.52 --> 1021.20]  We created a Denver bucket
-[1021.20 --> 1023.26]  and we created a System76 bucket
-[1023.26 --> 1024.78]  and all of the media
-[1024.78 --> 1026.40]  across multiple cameras,
-[1026.56 --> 1027.46]  multiple recorders,
-[1027.54 --> 1028.46]  all gets uploaded
-[1028.46 --> 1029.64]  to those buckets.
-[1029.96 --> 1031.02]  And then our next cloud instance,
-[1031.12 --> 1031.72]  what we put on there,
-[1031.78 --> 1032.90]  also saves to their S3
-[1032.90 --> 1033.96]  compatible object storage.
-[1034.26 --> 1035.10]  And then my system's
-[1035.10 --> 1036.00]  back up there as well,
-[1036.46 --> 1037.90]  right here from the RV.
-[1038.24 --> 1039.04]  It's pretty awesome
-[1039.04 --> 1040.62]  and it's really just a great way
-[1040.62 --> 1041.34]  to use Linode
-[1041.34 --> 1042.34]  and not even have to have
-[1042.34 --> 1043.40]  a server running in front of it.
-[1043.82 --> 1045.56]  It's sort of like,
-[1045.94 --> 1046.82]  it feels like a power move.
-[1047.06 --> 1048.94]  They also have a great DNS manager.
-[1048.94 --> 1050.04]  They have Kubernetes
-[1050.04 --> 1051.24]  and Terraform support.
-[1051.36 --> 1052.46]  They have super fast networking
-[1052.46 --> 1054.44]  because they are their own ISP.
-[1054.78 --> 1057.02]  And their pricing is 30 to 50% cheaper
-[1057.02 --> 1058.42]  than other major cloud providers
-[1058.42 --> 1058.88]  out there.
-[1059.40 --> 1060.72]  You know, it's also a great way
-[1060.72 --> 1062.26]  to go with a multi-cloud strategy.
-[1062.42 --> 1063.62]  Perhaps you want something local
-[1063.62 --> 1065.86]  and you want something up in the cloud
-[1065.86 --> 1067.40]  or maybe you want something
-[1067.40 --> 1068.90]  across multiple cloud providers
-[1068.90 --> 1070.26]  and then network them
-[1070.26 --> 1071.54]  using something like Nebula.
-[1072.08 --> 1073.06]  Linode can be part
-[1073.06 --> 1074.16]  of that strategy as well.
-[1074.38 --> 1075.48]  They made our Jupiter Colony
-[1075.48 --> 1077.48]  reunion road trip possible as well.
-[1077.70 --> 1079.96]  Our meetups were powered by Linode
-[1079.96 --> 1081.52]  and it has been a hoot.
-[1081.98 --> 1082.76]  So go sign up today
-[1082.76 --> 1083.76]  and see what I've been talking about.
-[1083.76 --> 1085.06]  That $100 you're going to get,
-[1085.36 --> 1086.44]  you can really use that
-[1086.44 --> 1087.36]  to try the service out.
-[1087.44 --> 1088.40]  You can really get a feel
-[1088.40 --> 1089.38]  for what it's capable of.
-[1089.74 --> 1091.44]  That's $100 to really try something
-[1091.44 --> 1092.22]  or learn something.
-[1092.64 --> 1094.54]  Linode.com slash SSH.
-[1094.72 --> 1097.00]  That's Linode.com slash SSH.
-[1098.50 --> 1099.84]  Here's an email from Hans.
-[1100.28 --> 1100.88]  Hans says,
-[1101.00 --> 1101.64]  Hey guys,
-[1101.82 --> 1103.66]  you touched upon password managers
-[1103.66 --> 1105.30]  and Bitwarden in episode 51.
-[1105.50 --> 1106.02]  Like Brent,
-[1106.02 --> 1107.66]  I'm using KeePass XC.
-[1108.60 --> 1109.48]  Good choice.
-[1109.48 --> 1110.82]  What I like about it
-[1110.82 --> 1112.18]  is that it's easy to back up
-[1112.18 --> 1113.20]  because the whole database
-[1113.20 --> 1114.46]  is just a single file.
-[1115.02 --> 1115.86]  Currently sync it
-[1115.86 --> 1116.74]  between my devices
-[1116.74 --> 1118.60]  via self-hosted sync thing instance
-[1118.60 --> 1119.96]  running on an ARM board
-[1119.96 --> 1121.58]  in our laundry room.
-[1122.06 --> 1122.86]  Laundry room servers.
-[1123.00 --> 1123.36]  Very nice.
-[1124.04 --> 1124.76]  That being said,
-[1124.86 --> 1126.38]  this setup is a few years old
-[1126.38 --> 1127.92]  and if I would start from scratch
-[1127.92 --> 1129.68]  or if I had to share the password
-[1129.68 --> 1130.42]  with other people,
-[1130.58 --> 1132.16]  I'd definitely give Bitwarden a look.
-[1132.72 --> 1133.74]  One thing I wonder though,
-[1133.84 --> 1135.32]  when you host your passwords
-[1135.32 --> 1136.98]  in a more complex application
-[1136.98 --> 1137.74]  like Bitwarden,
-[1138.04 --> 1139.82]  are you taking any extra measures
-[1139.82 --> 1141.16]  to secure your servers?
-[1141.80 --> 1142.82]  I suppose it's reasonable
-[1142.82 --> 1144.42]  to trust the security
-[1144.42 --> 1146.60]  of Bitwarden itself,
-[1146.78 --> 1147.54]  but if an attacker
-[1147.54 --> 1148.94]  would gain access to your server,
-[1149.10 --> 1150.32]  would it be easier for them
-[1150.32 --> 1151.04]  to do harm
-[1151.04 --> 1152.58]  as compared to what you would
-[1152.58 --> 1154.12]  just host an encrypted
-[1154.12 --> 1155.78]  KeePass database file to?
-[1156.40 --> 1157.76]  Thanks and keep on going.
-[1157.96 --> 1158.14]  Hans.
-[1158.54 --> 1159.34]  Well, I think it depends
-[1159.34 --> 1161.38]  on how open your server is.
-[1161.50 --> 1162.74]  If it's connected to the internet,
-[1162.90 --> 1163.46]  you've got to assume
-[1163.46 --> 1164.16]  at some point,
-[1164.64 --> 1164.90]  you know,
-[1165.02 --> 1166.54]  it's possible it might get
-[1166.54 --> 1167.36]  compromised.
-[1168.52 --> 1170.40]  But it speaks to a larger
-[1170.40 --> 1172.60]  philosophy that I tend
-[1172.60 --> 1173.42]  to subscribe to
-[1173.42 --> 1174.24]  with this kind of stuff
-[1174.24 --> 1176.00]  of don't be the tallest nail.
-[1176.42 --> 1176.56]  You know,
-[1176.74 --> 1178.54]  take some basic precautions.
-[1178.74 --> 1180.10]  Have things like fail to ban
-[1180.10 --> 1182.50]  installed on your SSH logins.
-[1183.04 --> 1184.26]  Open as few ports
-[1184.26 --> 1184.86]  in your firewall
-[1184.86 --> 1185.92]  as you possibly can.
-[1186.38 --> 1187.84]  Use something like WireGuard
-[1187.84 --> 1188.60]  or TailScale
-[1188.60 --> 1189.48]  or something like that
-[1189.48 --> 1190.30]  to actually connect
-[1190.30 --> 1191.40]  to the service in question
-[1191.40 --> 1192.98]  so that all the data
-[1192.98 --> 1194.28]  that travels between
-[1194.28 --> 1195.28]  everything is encrypted.
-[1195.28 --> 1196.72]  You know,
-[1196.76 --> 1198.20]  and use things like SSH keys
-[1198.20 --> 1199.10]  instead of passwords.
-[1199.40 --> 1200.54]  Just those things alone
-[1200.54 --> 1201.08]  are going to make you
-[1201.08 --> 1202.26]  more secure than the average
-[1202.26 --> 1203.30]  server administrator.
-[1203.92 --> 1205.00]  Vault Warden is the new
-[1205.00 --> 1205.92]  hotness these days.
-[1206.04 --> 1207.70]  Bitwarden RS is the old name.
-[1208.10 --> 1209.58]  And I do agree with everything
-[1209.58 --> 1210.56]  you just said, Alex.
-[1211.12 --> 1212.32]  Don't be the tallest nail.
-[1212.42 --> 1213.00]  But also,
-[1213.28 --> 1214.44]  consider the security
-[1214.44 --> 1215.22]  of the box
-[1215.22 --> 1215.80]  if possible.
-[1215.90 --> 1216.94]  Limited internet access.
-[1217.42 --> 1217.86]  And also,
-[1218.08 --> 1218.82]  keep in mind,
-[1219.38 --> 1220.76]  Bitwarden is using
-[1220.76 --> 1222.22]  local encryption.
-[1222.22 --> 1223.68]  So it encrypts
-[1223.68 --> 1224.54]  and hashes your data
-[1224.54 --> 1225.82]  on your local device
-[1225.82 --> 1227.06]  before it sends it
-[1227.06 --> 1227.92]  to the cloud server,
-[1228.06 --> 1229.46]  even if it's their service
-[1229.46 --> 1231.22]  or your self-hosted service.
-[1231.54 --> 1232.42]  So that gives you
-[1232.42 --> 1233.60]  some peace of mind
-[1233.60 --> 1234.30]  knowing that the data
-[1234.30 --> 1235.18]  that's at rest
-[1235.18 --> 1235.66]  on the server
-[1235.66 --> 1236.28]  is encrypted.
-[1236.84 --> 1237.14]  Now, Alex,
-[1237.18 --> 1237.68]  you mentioned
-[1237.68 --> 1239.10]  being a shorter nail.
-[1239.98 --> 1241.60]  Have either of you
-[1241.60 --> 1242.84]  in all of your years
-[1242.84 --> 1243.86]  encountered situations
-[1243.86 --> 1244.96]  when you were
-[1244.96 --> 1245.82]  one of the taller nails
-[1245.82 --> 1246.84]  and ran into issues?
-[1247.62 --> 1247.86]  You mean,
-[1247.90 --> 1248.80]  like had a server compromised?
-[1249.06 --> 1249.44]  Basically,
-[1249.52 --> 1250.14]  that's what I'm asking.
-[1250.14 --> 1250.58]  Yeah,
-[1250.70 --> 1251.70]  it's never very exciting.
-[1252.28 --> 1253.44]  It's usually like
-[1253.44 --> 1254.12]  a server gets turned
-[1254.12 --> 1255.50]  into an FTP box
-[1255.50 --> 1257.44]  or somebody gets a process
-[1257.44 --> 1258.20]  on your machine.
-[1258.30 --> 1258.40]  I mean,
-[1258.42 --> 1259.18]  I think I've had
-[1259.18 --> 1260.32]  maybe a client or two
-[1260.32 --> 1261.30]  that that's happened to.
-[1262.16 --> 1263.38]  It's never anything
-[1263.38 --> 1264.48]  more exciting
-[1264.48 --> 1265.06]  than somebody trying
-[1265.06 --> 1265.84]  to mine crypto
-[1265.84 --> 1266.80]  or something these days.
-[1267.86 --> 1268.98]  Can I admit something
-[1268.98 --> 1269.62]  to you both?
-[1269.92 --> 1270.38]  Oh, yeah.
-[1270.62 --> 1271.64]  I used to run
-[1271.64 --> 1273.32]  remote desktop
-[1273.32 --> 1274.38]  open to the internet
-[1274.38 --> 1275.36]  with the password
-[1275.36 --> 1276.16]  22.
-[1277.76 --> 1279.08]  You maniac.
-[1279.08 --> 1280.88]  for like three years.
-[1281.02 --> 1282.18]  And how'd that go, Alex?
-[1283.42 --> 1283.82]  Well,
-[1284.10 --> 1285.40]  it didn't end well,
-[1285.82 --> 1286.06]  Brent.
-[1286.32 --> 1287.54]  It didn't end well at all.
-[1287.80 --> 1288.18]  No.
-[1289.76 --> 1290.52]  What happened?
-[1290.72 --> 1291.08]  Tell us.
-[1292.08 --> 1293.42]  They decided
-[1293.42 --> 1294.96]  to wipe my hard drives.
-[1295.46 --> 1296.12]  Oh, no.
-[1297.06 --> 1297.94]  Oh, that sucks.
-[1298.06 --> 1298.58]  That sucks.
-[1298.68 --> 1299.36]  I suppose maybe
-[1299.36 --> 1300.00]  that's better than
-[1300.00 --> 1301.20]  using it for something nefarious
-[1301.20 --> 1301.92]  or maybe they did
-[1301.92 --> 1302.64]  and then they wiped it
-[1302.64 --> 1303.44]  so there's no track.
-[1303.52 --> 1304.14]  So maybe they did
-[1304.14 --> 1305.08]  do something nefarious.
-[1305.26 --> 1306.08]  I have no idea.
-[1306.08 --> 1306.50]  I mean,
-[1306.52 --> 1307.04]  if your password
-[1307.04 --> 1307.56]  is 22,
-[1307.80 --> 1310.22]  maybe old Alex
-[1310.22 --> 1311.14]  didn't know how to check.
-[1313.06 --> 1313.42]  Yeah.
-[1313.52 --> 1313.72]  I mean,
-[1313.74 --> 1314.36]  back in the day,
-[1314.50 --> 1316.54]  that was something
-[1316.54 --> 1317.90]  you just didn't really think of
-[1317.90 --> 1318.74]  way back in the day.
-[1318.82 --> 1319.32]  Things were just
-[1319.32 --> 1319.92]  on the internet.
-[1320.10 --> 1322.14]  When I first got exposure
-[1322.14 --> 1324.12]  to TCP IP networking,
-[1324.68 --> 1325.82]  everything had a public
-[1325.82 --> 1326.56]  internet address
-[1326.56 --> 1327.32]  on the network.
-[1327.72 --> 1328.84]  And it wasn't until
-[1328.84 --> 1330.18]  sometime later
-[1330.18 --> 1331.36]  that we had firewalls
-[1331.36 --> 1332.12]  and NATs.
-[1332.20 --> 1333.04]  And so for a short period
-[1333.04 --> 1333.30]  of time,
-[1333.34 --> 1333.90]  you could basically
-[1333.90 --> 1334.80]  connect to everything.
-[1336.30 --> 1337.58]  There was some crazy stuff
-[1337.58 --> 1338.32]  we did back then.
-[1338.88 --> 1339.58]  I didn't want to put you guys
-[1339.58 --> 1339.98]  on the spot,
-[1340.08 --> 1341.00]  but I would be curious
-[1341.00 --> 1343.14]  about how to go about
-[1343.14 --> 1344.30]  detecting some of this stuff,
-[1344.54 --> 1344.76]  you know,
-[1344.78 --> 1345.62]  even from a most
-[1345.62 --> 1347.00]  very basic level.
-[1347.68 --> 1348.00]  Hmm.
-[1348.18 --> 1348.42]  Well,
-[1348.48 --> 1348.82]  I mean,
-[1348.82 --> 1349.24]  I'm sure Alex,
-[1349.26 --> 1350.10]  you probably have a few ideas.
-[1350.26 --> 1351.18]  My first couple
-[1351.18 --> 1351.78]  that come to mind
-[1351.78 --> 1353.40]  would be know what processes
-[1353.40 --> 1353.94]  should be writing
-[1353.94 --> 1354.58]  on your box,
-[1354.72 --> 1355.60]  check your logs.
-[1355.96 --> 1356.46]  I mean,
-[1356.48 --> 1358.16]  almost every single time
-[1358.16 --> 1359.70]  that a client machine
-[1359.70 --> 1360.10]  or something
-[1360.10 --> 1361.56]  was behaving poorly,
-[1362.24 --> 1363.18]  I could almost immediately
-[1363.18 --> 1364.14]  just suss it out
-[1364.14 --> 1364.84]  by running top.
-[1365.10 --> 1365.54]  I mean,
-[1365.58 --> 1365.90]  really,
-[1366.18 --> 1366.40]  because,
-[1366.54 --> 1366.64]  you know,
-[1366.70 --> 1367.52]  you know what that machine
-[1367.52 --> 1368.40]  is supposed to be doing.
-[1368.60 --> 1369.58]  And if there's some process
-[1369.58 --> 1370.50]  going crazy on there
-[1370.50 --> 1371.34]  that has nothing to do
-[1371.34 --> 1372.28]  with the responsibilities
-[1372.28 --> 1373.18]  of that box,
-[1373.28 --> 1374.38]  you got a pretty good idea
-[1374.38 --> 1374.98]  of what it is.
-[1375.66 --> 1376.56]  And then you look
-[1376.56 --> 1377.18]  at your logs,
-[1377.26 --> 1377.42]  right?
-[1377.42 --> 1378.96]  You look at the active users
-[1378.96 --> 1380.42]  that are logged onto the system
-[1380.42 --> 1381.96]  and you kind of start
-[1381.96 --> 1382.62]  tracing it back.
-[1382.70 --> 1383.22]  Usually you'll look
-[1383.22 --> 1383.80]  at the process
-[1383.80 --> 1384.32]  and there'll be like
-[1384.32 --> 1386.08]  some weird path
-[1386.08 --> 1386.64]  or URL
-[1386.64 --> 1387.86]  for a process
-[1387.86 --> 1388.72]  that looks normal,
-[1388.82 --> 1389.92]  but it's in the wrong place
-[1389.92 --> 1390.68]  or it's being run
-[1390.68 --> 1391.56]  by the wrong user
-[1391.56 --> 1392.92]  and you kind of track
-[1392.92 --> 1393.54]  it back from there.
-[1394.40 --> 1395.44]  Depends where
-[1395.44 --> 1396.98]  your expertise lies.
-[1397.48 --> 1399.12]  If you're a networking guy,
-[1399.38 --> 1400.24]  you could use something
-[1400.24 --> 1401.32]  like Snort,
-[1401.84 --> 1402.64]  which is essentially
-[1402.64 --> 1404.52]  a packet filter
-[1404.52 --> 1405.78]  and it looks for certain
-[1405.78 --> 1406.80]  patterns of packets.
-[1406.96 --> 1407.12]  Yeah,
-[1407.16 --> 1408.50]  or bandwidth charts as well.
-[1408.58 --> 1408.72]  You know,
-[1408.74 --> 1409.34]  that sometimes
-[1409.34 --> 1410.32]  will be an indication
-[1410.32 --> 1410.98]  something's up
-[1410.98 --> 1411.40]  as you'll see
-[1411.40 --> 1412.22]  your bandwidth usage
-[1412.22 --> 1412.86]  spikes up.
-[1414.14 --> 1415.14]  And would you guys say
-[1415.14 --> 1416.02]  that containerizing
-[1416.02 --> 1417.24]  some of your services
-[1417.24 --> 1418.14]  is a way to
-[1418.14 --> 1419.06]  help this situation?
-[1419.06 --> 1421.56]  No.
-[1421.94 --> 1422.30]  No.
-[1424.72 --> 1425.08]  No,
-[1425.18 --> 1425.38]  I mean,
-[1425.40 --> 1425.62]  really,
-[1425.68 --> 1425.96]  in a way,
-[1426.02 --> 1426.70]  it makes it worse.
-[1426.84 --> 1427.56]  I think it makes it worse
-[1427.56 --> 1428.74]  because there's more processes
-[1428.74 --> 1429.80]  and more things going on
-[1429.80 --> 1430.96]  on a box in some cases.
-[1431.48 --> 1432.18]  But you do have
-[1432.18 --> 1432.76]  better security
-[1432.76 --> 1433.58]  in terms of networking
-[1433.58 --> 1434.22]  control
-[1434.22 --> 1435.70]  and process isolation
-[1435.70 --> 1436.84]  and the ability
-[1436.84 --> 1437.68]  to just destroy
-[1437.68 --> 1438.20]  a container
-[1438.20 --> 1439.00]  and recreate it
-[1439.00 --> 1439.46]  if something did
-[1439.46 --> 1439.88]  go sideways.
-[1440.02 --> 1440.36]  So it's,
-[1440.68 --> 1440.96]  I mean,
-[1440.96 --> 1441.40]  it's a mix.
-[1441.48 --> 1442.28]  I think it's good and bad.
-[1442.40 --> 1442.74]  But I'm sure,
-[1442.82 --> 1442.96]  Alex,
-[1443.00 --> 1443.58]  you must have thoughts.
-[1443.66 --> 1444.24]  You must have thoughts.
-[1444.58 --> 1444.70]  Well,
-[1444.88 --> 1445.52]  containers good,
-[1445.60 --> 1446.40]  everything else bad,
-[1446.52 --> 1446.76]  right?
-[1446.76 --> 1447.52]  That's my viewpoint.
-[1447.52 --> 1451.56]  But I think containers
-[1451.56 --> 1452.66]  are better in this situation
-[1452.66 --> 1453.40]  because let's say
-[1453.40 --> 1454.82]  you've got an NGINX web server
-[1454.82 --> 1456.44]  listening with your
-[1456.44 --> 1458.46]  vault warden behind it
-[1458.46 --> 1459.88]  or whatever the web server is
-[1459.88 --> 1461.18]  that's exposing your passwords
-[1461.18 --> 1462.38]  to you.
-[1462.90 --> 1464.46]  If somebody was to compromise
-[1464.46 --> 1466.46]  something in that code
-[1466.46 --> 1468.04]  and do a buffer overflow
-[1468.04 --> 1468.76]  or do something
-[1468.76 --> 1469.76]  that meant they could get
-[1469.76 --> 1470.56]  something out of memory
-[1470.56 --> 1471.30]  that they shouldn't
-[1471.30 --> 1473.58]  and extrapolate some data
-[1473.58 --> 1474.94]  that they shouldn't get,
-[1474.94 --> 1476.98]  the blast radius of that
-[1476.98 --> 1477.80]  is going to be limited
-[1477.80 --> 1478.76]  to the scope
-[1478.76 --> 1480.32]  that that container
-[1480.32 --> 1481.48]  has access to.
-[1482.22 --> 1483.72]  And so running things
-[1483.72 --> 1484.22]  in a container
-[1484.22 --> 1485.20]  is more secure
-[1485.20 --> 1486.74]  simply by virtue
-[1486.74 --> 1487.26]  of the fact
-[1487.26 --> 1488.46]  that you are scoping
-[1488.46 --> 1489.48]  what that container
-[1489.48 --> 1490.44]  has access to
-[1490.44 --> 1491.60]  on the host system.
-[1492.36 --> 1492.38]  Yeah,
-[1492.46 --> 1492.68]  I mean,
-[1492.68 --> 1493.32]  it will have access
-[1493.32 --> 1494.24]  to any of the data
-[1494.24 --> 1495.02]  that the container
-[1495.02 --> 1495.78]  has access to
-[1495.78 --> 1496.92]  which is likely
-[1496.92 --> 1497.64]  important data
-[1497.64 --> 1498.72]  but it's contained
-[1498.72 --> 1499.84]  to that region.
-[1500.06 --> 1500.94]  That's inherently more safe
-[1500.94 --> 1501.84]  than say running Apache
-[1501.84 --> 1502.92]  or NGINX on a box
-[1502.92 --> 1504.02]  and you pop Apache
-[1504.02 --> 1505.20]  and now you've got
-[1505.20 --> 1506.08]  access to anything
-[1506.08 --> 1506.98]  on that host
-[1506.98 --> 1508.12]  that Apache had access to
-[1508.12 --> 1509.18]  which if you're lucky
-[1509.18 --> 1509.80]  is not much
-[1509.80 --> 1511.22]  but sometimes
-[1511.22 --> 1511.74]  is way more
-[1511.74 --> 1512.30]  than it should be.
-[1512.74 --> 1513.56]  So yeah,
-[1514.40 --> 1516.24]  it's going to be different
-[1516.24 --> 1517.04]  every time too.
-[1517.30 --> 1519.08]  There's not a one-size-fits-all solution.
-[1519.24 --> 1520.50]  It's trying to make sure
-[1520.50 --> 1521.18]  you're secure
-[1521.18 --> 1522.24]  and monitoring
-[1522.24 --> 1523.74]  in multiple locations.
-[1524.96 --> 1526.30]  We got a lot of email
-[1526.30 --> 1527.98]  about people's Wi-Fi systems.
-[1528.10 --> 1528.72]  We got some people
-[1528.72 --> 1529.80]  who love mesh setups,
-[1530.26 --> 1531.24]  some people who hate
-[1531.24 --> 1532.16]  mesh setups
-[1532.16 --> 1533.62]  but we got one email
-[1533.62 --> 1534.56]  in about a
-[1534.56 --> 1536.54]  free mesh wireless solution.
-[1536.78 --> 1537.16]  It's at
-[1537.16 --> 1538.74]  freemeshwireless.com.
-[1539.14 --> 1540.12]  It's an open source package
-[1540.12 --> 1541.18]  that you load
-[1541.18 --> 1541.80]  onto hardware
-[1541.80 --> 1543.54]  and then we got some people
-[1543.54 --> 1544.34]  that said don't do it.
-[1544.44 --> 1546.22]  Just deploy multiple APs.
-[1546.36 --> 1547.34]  So I'm still collecting
-[1547.34 --> 1548.20]  information
-[1548.20 --> 1549.00]  and taking it all in
-[1549.00 --> 1550.02]  and I got a few devices
-[1550.02 --> 1550.90]  to research too
-[1550.90 --> 1552.10]  so I wanted to say
-[1552.10 --> 1552.76]  thank you to everybody
-[1552.76 --> 1553.80]  who sent in suggestions
-[1553.80 --> 1555.12]  for different Wi-Fi setups.
-[1555.66 --> 1555.96]  Wow,
-[1556.54 --> 1557.50]  there's a lot out there
-[1557.50 --> 1558.40]  including some of you
-[1558.40 --> 1558.72]  who said,
-[1558.78 --> 1559.08]  you know what,
-[1559.10 --> 1560.02]  just stick with Unify.
-[1560.20 --> 1560.64]  It's fine.
-[1560.96 --> 1561.40]  It's fine.
-[1561.40 --> 1562.34]  Well, okay,
-[1562.34 --> 1562.84]  just one guy.
-[1564.52 --> 1565.46]  And several folks,
-[1565.58 --> 1565.78]  Brent,
-[1565.86 --> 1566.76]  were happy with your
-[1566.76 --> 1567.82]  recommendation of checking
-[1567.82 --> 1568.72]  out Microtik.
-[1568.98 --> 1569.90]  It's almost like I know
-[1569.90 --> 1570.30]  something.
-[1572.92 --> 1574.14]  At the meetup in Denver,
-[1574.32 --> 1575.54]  several of you let me know
-[1575.54 --> 1577.64]  that you are massive fans
-[1577.64 --> 1579.02]  of cloudfree.shop
-[1579.02 --> 1580.00]  and they are sponsoring
-[1580.00 --> 1580.82]  today's episode.
-[1581.28 --> 1582.28]  Use the coupon code
-[1582.28 --> 1583.04]  self-hosted
-[1583.04 --> 1584.16]  and get a dollar off
-[1584.16 --> 1585.14]  one of their new version
-[1585.14 --> 1586.36]  two smart plugs
-[1586.36 --> 1587.32]  with energy monitoring
-[1587.32 --> 1587.88]  built in.
-[1587.88 --> 1589.10]  Also,
-[1589.54 --> 1590.50]  those of you in the UK
-[1590.50 --> 1591.54]  who have let me know
-[1591.54 --> 1592.52]  that you wish
-[1592.52 --> 1593.48]  that cloudfree.shop
-[1593.48 --> 1594.32]  shipped to the UK,
-[1594.66 --> 1594.82]  well,
-[1594.98 --> 1595.80]  good news!
-[1596.56 --> 1597.60]  Mylocalbytes.com
-[1597.60 --> 1598.74]  have launched in the UK
-[1598.74 --> 1600.60]  offering a very similar thing.
-[1601.00 --> 1602.10]  You can use the coupon code
-[1602.10 --> 1602.68]  self-hosted
-[1602.68 --> 1604.04]  at both cloudfree.shop
-[1604.04 --> 1605.74]  and mylocalbytes.com
-[1605.74 --> 1607.04]  to get a dollar
-[1607.04 --> 1607.70]  or a pound
-[1607.70 --> 1609.46]  off each smart plug.
-[1609.86 --> 1610.62]  Both of these stores
-[1610.62 --> 1611.40]  are owned
-[1611.40 --> 1612.08]  and operated
-[1612.08 --> 1613.64]  by a couple of our listeners,
-[1613.64 --> 1614.96]  so head over there,
-[1615.06 --> 1615.80]  support the community
-[1615.80 --> 1617.00]  and check out
-[1617.00 --> 1618.02]  their cool stuff.
-[1619.80 --> 1621.28]  We had a lot of emails
-[1621.28 --> 1623.36]  in regards to de-googling
-[1623.36 --> 1625.02]  and it really ran
-[1625.02 --> 1625.96]  the whole spectrum.
-[1626.12 --> 1626.52]  We're going to try
-[1626.52 --> 1628.38]  to get to some of them,
-[1628.88 --> 1629.76]  but legitimately,
-[1630.04 --> 1630.16]  Brett,
-[1630.20 --> 1630.84]  you saw the list.
-[1630.92 --> 1631.56]  There's just no way
-[1631.56 --> 1632.00]  we could read
-[1632.00 --> 1632.64]  all those emails.
-[1633.06 --> 1633.24]  Yeah,
-[1633.30 --> 1633.86]  you gave me
-[1633.86 --> 1634.82]  a little sneak peek
-[1634.82 --> 1635.72]  at just the number
-[1635.72 --> 1637.06]  of the sheer number of emails.
-[1637.08 --> 1637.50]  I just scrolled
-[1637.50 --> 1638.16]  through the list.
-[1638.44 --> 1638.46]  Oh,
-[1638.58 --> 1639.38]  we did our best,
-[1639.64 --> 1640.06]  but we've...
-[1640.06 --> 1640.88]  It's a lot of email.
-[1641.36 --> 1641.62]  Yeah,
-[1642.36 --> 1643.10]  but Dustin was one
-[1643.10 --> 1644.40]  of the first to write in
-[1644.40 --> 1645.40]  and Dustin was at
-[1645.40 --> 1646.00]  the Boise meetup
-[1646.00 --> 1646.36]  with us,
-[1646.44 --> 1646.60]  Brent.
-[1647.16 --> 1647.56]  He says,
-[1647.62 --> 1648.60]  on today's self-hosted,
-[1648.62 --> 1649.16]  you guys talked
-[1649.16 --> 1649.98]  about de-googling.
-[1650.44 --> 1651.38]  This is my journey
-[1651.38 --> 1651.94]  and it has been
-[1651.94 --> 1652.70]  for two years
-[1652.70 --> 1653.12]  and I'd say I'm
-[1653.12 --> 1654.24]  about 90%
-[1654.24 --> 1655.44]  of the way there.
-[1655.92 --> 1656.48]  Dustin goes on
-[1656.48 --> 1656.64]  to say,
-[1656.72 --> 1657.28]  this includes
-[1657.28 --> 1658.18]  replacing G Suite
-[1658.18 --> 1658.94]  for my podcast
-[1658.94 --> 1659.86]  and I've also gone
-[1659.86 --> 1660.46]  with the model
-[1660.46 --> 1661.52]  of self-hosting
-[1661.52 --> 1662.24]  when it makes sense.
-[1662.68 --> 1663.50]  So here's what he's done.
-[1663.60 --> 1664.00]  For mail,
-[1664.12 --> 1664.48]  contacts,
-[1664.56 --> 1665.14]  and calendar,
-[1665.56 --> 1666.06]  he switched
-[1666.06 --> 1666.78]  from G Suite
-[1666.78 --> 1667.68]  to Fastmail.
-[1668.08 --> 1669.48]  For notes and docs,
-[1669.54 --> 1670.70]  he's using Joplin,
-[1671.30 --> 1672.12]  using Nextcloud
-[1672.12 --> 1672.70]  to sync it,
-[1673.10 --> 1674.30]  for photo sync,
-[1674.36 --> 1675.26]  he's using Nextcloud.
-[1675.62 --> 1676.28]  For his phone,
-[1676.36 --> 1676.78]  he's gone with
-[1676.78 --> 1677.96]  the iPhone SE 2020,
-[1678.26 --> 1678.80]  so he's not dealing
-[1678.80 --> 1679.44]  with Google there.
-[1679.90 --> 1680.44]  For DNS,
-[1680.72 --> 1681.78]  he's using NextDNS.
-[1681.86 --> 1682.50]  We got another vote
-[1682.50 --> 1683.56]  for NextDNS as well.
-[1684.10 --> 1684.98]  For maps,
-[1685.34 --> 1686.32]  he's using a combination
-[1686.32 --> 1687.36]  of Apple Maps
-[1687.36 --> 1689.02]  and the OpenStreetMaps
-[1689.02 --> 1690.46]  app on the App Store.
-[1690.98 --> 1691.82]  And for the browser,
-[1691.98 --> 1692.50]  he's sticking with
-[1692.50 --> 1693.56]  Firefox and Safari.
-[1694.28 --> 1695.30]  And for his Chromebook,
-[1695.40 --> 1695.52]  well,
-[1695.54 --> 1696.32]  he's replaced that
-[1696.32 --> 1698.04]  with the ThinkPad X260
-[1698.04 --> 1698.62]  with Arch
-[1698.62 --> 1699.88]  and now Fedora on there.
-[1700.10 --> 1700.96]  He's still working
-[1700.96 --> 1701.74]  on the home assistance.
-[1701.74 --> 1702.54]  He's going to maybe
-[1702.54 --> 1703.60]  consider the HomePods
-[1703.60 --> 1705.26]  and look at Mycroft.
-[1705.58 --> 1705.92]  He says,
-[1706.00 --> 1706.56]  Google Photos
-[1706.56 --> 1707.20]  has been working great
-[1707.20 --> 1708.04]  for my wife,
-[1708.30 --> 1709.70]  but I'm not using it.
-[1710.12 --> 1711.04]  And he's using
-[1711.04 --> 1711.68]  FreeTube
-[1711.68 --> 1713.50]  to bypass YouTube,
-[1713.50 --> 1714.36]  but it has been
-[1714.36 --> 1715.10]  a bit of a challenge,
-[1715.18 --> 1715.58]  I suspect.
-[1716.28 --> 1717.40]  Some good tips there,
-[1717.48 --> 1719.04]  although Fastmail
-[1719.04 --> 1720.76]  isn't self-hosting.
-[1720.84 --> 1721.34]  It is,
-[1721.54 --> 1721.80]  you know,
-[1721.80 --> 1722.88]  having somebody else host it.
-[1722.90 --> 1723.28]  But if you're going
-[1723.28 --> 1724.08]  to have somebody host something,
-[1724.20 --> 1725.54]  email's a good one to do.
-[1726.22 --> 1727.32]  Don't really do.
-[1727.66 --> 1728.22]  Don't do.
-[1728.50 --> 1729.38]  Don't do email.
-[1730.48 --> 1731.10]  What I noticed
-[1731.10 --> 1731.78]  from that feedback
-[1731.78 --> 1732.82]  is that it took him,
-[1733.44 --> 1733.66]  well,
-[1733.98 --> 1735.06]  he's on a two-year journey.
-[1735.50 --> 1735.98]  And so,
-[1736.24 --> 1736.52]  gentlemen,
-[1736.86 --> 1738.42]  what does that tell you
-[1738.42 --> 1739.62]  about what you've just got on?
-[1739.86 --> 1741.50]  That Alex has really,
-[1741.60 --> 1742.34]  really gotten us
-[1742.34 --> 1742.82]  into something.
-[1742.94 --> 1743.58]  What have I done?
-[1744.08 --> 1745.42]  I've opened Pandora's box
-[1745.42 --> 1745.66]  here,
-[1745.74 --> 1746.02]  aren't I?
-[1747.32 --> 1747.76]  Oh,
-[1747.76 --> 1748.36]  man.
-[1749.48 --> 1750.06]  All right.
-[1750.16 --> 1750.36]  So,
-[1750.46 --> 1751.18]  Carson and others
-[1751.18 --> 1752.52]  wrote in about maps.
-[1752.68 --> 1753.24]  Carson says
-[1753.24 --> 1754.52]  he settled on HereMaps
-[1754.52 --> 1755.34]  as a replacement,
-[1755.54 --> 1756.80]  wego.here.com.
-[1756.80 --> 1758.22]  A lot of people wrote in
-[1758.22 --> 1759.16]  about open street maps.
-[1759.32 --> 1759.42]  Brent,
-[1759.48 --> 1760.40]  that's what you use?
-[1760.76 --> 1760.94]  Yeah,
-[1761.02 --> 1762.50]  that's what I have been using
-[1762.50 --> 1763.58]  until all these suggestions
-[1763.58 --> 1764.18]  came in.
-[1764.40 --> 1765.16]  And I,
-[1765.78 --> 1766.10]  well,
-[1766.76 --> 1767.76]  maybe I'll keep that
-[1767.76 --> 1768.52]  until we talk about
-[1768.52 --> 1769.60]  the maps a little bit more.
-[1769.78 --> 1769.90]  Well,
-[1769.92 --> 1770.56]  I want to talk about it
-[1770.56 --> 1771.22]  right now because
-[1771.22 --> 1772.52]  that's the route
-[1772.52 --> 1773.34]  I decided to go
-[1773.34 --> 1774.00]  during a
-[1774.00 --> 1775.50]  freaking road trip.
-[1775.76 --> 1776.96]  And I even really
-[1776.96 --> 1778.12]  briefly tried Waze,
-[1778.20 --> 1778.62]  even though I know
-[1778.62 --> 1779.18]  it's owned by Google,
-[1779.22 --> 1779.76]  I just wanted to
-[1779.76 --> 1780.66]  just do a comparison.
-[1781.04 --> 1781.92]  And Waze actually
-[1781.92 --> 1782.98]  screwed us up the worst
-[1782.98 --> 1783.88]  out of all of them
-[1783.88 --> 1785.12]  during the middle
-[1785.12 --> 1786.26]  of Denver rush hour.
-[1786.26 --> 1787.00]  It had me get off
-[1787.00 --> 1787.46]  the highway
-[1787.46 --> 1788.76]  to bypass the traffic.
-[1789.18 --> 1789.88]  And then I got off
-[1789.88 --> 1790.18]  the highway
-[1790.18 --> 1790.74]  and I was stuck
-[1790.74 --> 1791.38]  in more traffic.
-[1791.54 --> 1792.00]  And then it did
-[1792.00 --> 1792.70]  a quick update
-[1792.70 --> 1793.04]  and it said,
-[1793.20 --> 1793.76]  get on the highway.
-[1794.28 --> 1794.36]  Yeah,
-[1794.42 --> 1795.18]  it felt to me
-[1795.18 --> 1796.28]  like an attempt
-[1796.28 --> 1797.58]  at a Dukes of Hazzard
-[1797.58 --> 1799.04]  style walk around
-[1799.04 --> 1799.70]  the traffic,
-[1800.04 --> 1801.26]  but it didn't work
-[1801.26 --> 1802.04]  out too well for us.
-[1802.88 --> 1803.28]  Oh,
-[1803.52 --> 1803.88]  goodness.
-[1804.30 --> 1804.80]  So I know
-[1804.80 --> 1805.24]  a lot of you
-[1805.24 --> 1806.02]  wrote in with
-[1806.02 --> 1807.26]  the apps that you love
-[1807.26 --> 1808.22]  and I tried them
-[1808.22 --> 1809.64]  and boy,
-[1809.70 --> 1810.30]  do they stink.
-[1810.44 --> 1811.08]  Magic Earth
-[1811.08 --> 1812.16]  was one that I liked
-[1812.16 --> 1813.82]  and that uses
-[1813.82 --> 1814.64]  open street maps
-[1814.64 --> 1816.04]  with a proprietary GUI
-[1816.04 --> 1816.70]  on top,
-[1816.88 --> 1817.68]  Magic Earth,
-[1818.02 --> 1818.40]  have a link
-[1818.40 --> 1819.22]  in the show notes.
-[1820.12 --> 1822.28]  But they all have
-[1822.28 --> 1823.52]  one critical flaw.
-[1823.70 --> 1824.44]  Even Apple Maps
-[1824.44 --> 1825.44]  has this critical flaw
-[1825.44 --> 1826.62]  and it's search.
-[1827.88 --> 1828.68]  For example,
-[1828.78 --> 1829.80]  I'm here in Colorado Springs
-[1829.80 --> 1830.82]  and I searched
-[1830.82 --> 1831.66]  for Pikes Peak,
-[1831.78 --> 1833.52]  which is a very popular
-[1833.52 --> 1834.38]  tourist destination.
-[1835.56 --> 1836.82]  Apple Maps sent me
-[1836.82 --> 1838.36]  in the wrong direction.
-[1838.46 --> 1838.80]  They sent me
-[1838.80 --> 1839.80]  to some like business
-[1839.80 --> 1840.42]  that was named
-[1840.42 --> 1841.08]  Pikes Peak
-[1841.08 --> 1841.84]  that was like
-[1841.84 --> 1842.90]  10 miles
-[1842.90 --> 1843.66]  in the wrong direction,
-[1843.96 --> 1845.42]  literally the opposite direction.
-[1846.86 --> 1848.20]  The Magic Earth
-[1848.20 --> 1849.40]  using open street maps
-[1849.40 --> 1850.50]  wanted to send me
-[1850.50 --> 1851.22]  to a location
-[1851.22 --> 1852.78]  5,200 miles away
-[1852.78 --> 1853.88]  from my current location.
-[1854.44 --> 1855.64]  I was 25,
-[1855.84 --> 1856.50]  30 minutes away
-[1856.50 --> 1857.08]  when I started
-[1857.08 --> 1857.90]  from Pikes Peak
-[1857.90 --> 1858.78]  and after I was done
-[1858.78 --> 1859.22]  trying to use
-[1859.22 --> 1860.02]  these other nav apps,
-[1860.14 --> 1861.42]  I ended up an hour away
-[1861.42 --> 1863.24]  and I was really bad.
-[1864.00 --> 1864.44]  Eventually,
-[1864.56 --> 1865.00]  what happened
-[1865.00 --> 1866.00]  is my wife
-[1866.00 --> 1866.56]  looked it up
-[1866.56 --> 1867.20]  on her phone
-[1867.20 --> 1867.98]  on Google Maps
-[1867.98 --> 1870.08]  and got an address
-[1870.08 --> 1871.44]  and then telegrammed it to me
-[1871.44 --> 1872.22]  and then I put that
-[1872.22 --> 1873.28]  into Apple Maps
-[1873.28 --> 1875.48]  and manually did it that way.
-[1875.48 --> 1875.94]  You're an animal.
-[1876.78 --> 1877.16]  Yeah,
-[1877.20 --> 1877.60]  it was interesting
-[1877.60 --> 1879.12]  because she kept using
-[1879.12 --> 1880.12]  Google Maps
-[1880.12 --> 1880.88]  during this.
-[1881.30 --> 1882.12]  Anytime I drove
-[1882.12 --> 1882.90]  or anytime I was looking
-[1882.90 --> 1883.50]  anything up
-[1883.50 --> 1883.88]  or looking,
-[1884.00 --> 1885.28]  I used anything
-[1885.28 --> 1885.98]  but Google Maps
-[1885.98 --> 1886.48]  and she stuck
-[1886.48 --> 1886.96]  with Google Maps
-[1886.96 --> 1887.38]  so I was always
-[1887.38 --> 1888.20]  comparing the two
-[1888.20 --> 1890.14]  and they clearly
-[1890.14 --> 1891.64]  have the superior
-[1891.64 --> 1894.02]  search.
-[1894.72 --> 1895.16]  However,
-[1896.32 --> 1897.00]  Apple Maps
-[1897.00 --> 1897.86]  surprised me
-[1897.86 --> 1898.34]  and I looked
-[1898.34 --> 1899.10]  into the privacy
-[1899.10 --> 1899.82]  and security
-[1899.82 --> 1900.54]  of Apple Maps
-[1900.54 --> 1901.24]  because that was
-[1901.24 --> 1901.84]  really what part
-[1901.84 --> 1902.36]  of this was about
-[1902.36 --> 1903.38]  was reducing
-[1903.38 --> 1904.20]  my cloud footprint
-[1904.20 --> 1904.70]  with this.
-[1904.98 --> 1906.28]  The thing I liked
-[1906.28 --> 1906.94]  about Apple Maps
-[1906.94 --> 1907.54]  is surprisingly
-[1907.54 --> 1908.04]  you don't even
-[1908.04 --> 1908.62]  have to be signed
-[1908.62 --> 1909.80]  into any Apple ID
-[1909.80 --> 1910.30]  or iCloud
-[1910.30 --> 1910.94]  to use it.
-[1911.52 --> 1911.92]  The data
-[1911.92 --> 1912.86]  that they do collect
-[1912.86 --> 1913.84]  is associated
-[1913.84 --> 1914.60]  with a randomly
-[1914.60 --> 1915.68]  generated identifier.
-[1915.96 --> 1916.46]  They reset
-[1916.46 --> 1917.66]  like every few minutes
-[1917.66 --> 1919.06]  and it is not tied
-[1919.06 --> 1919.68]  to your Apple ID.
-[1920.42 --> 1921.34]  They convert
-[1921.34 --> 1922.64]  precise locations
-[1922.64 --> 1924.22]  into less exact locations
-[1924.22 --> 1925.34]  before they store them
-[1925.34 --> 1926.46]  and then they apply
-[1926.46 --> 1927.34]  that to your current
-[1927.34 --> 1928.02]  device location
-[1928.02 --> 1928.58]  information
-[1928.58 --> 1929.16]  and origin
-[1929.16 --> 1930.68]  within 24 hours
-[1930.68 --> 1933.24]  and any of the
-[1933.24 --> 1934.32]  personalized features
-[1934.32 --> 1935.56]  like where your car
-[1935.56 --> 1936.08]  is parked
-[1936.08 --> 1937.26]  or suggested
-[1937.26 --> 1938.54]  departure times
-[1938.54 --> 1940.52]  your favorite locations
-[1940.52 --> 1942.06]  any of that kind
-[1942.06 --> 1942.36]  of stuff
-[1942.36 --> 1943.04]  that you generate
-[1943.04 --> 1944.18]  it's all stored
-[1944.18 --> 1944.70]  on device.
-[1944.82 --> 1945.52]  They don't send it up
-[1945.52 --> 1946.14]  to the Apple servers
-[1946.14 --> 1946.42]  at all.
-[1947.24 --> 1947.66]  It seems to me
-[1947.66 --> 1948.28]  the way they've
-[1948.28 --> 1949.04]  defined how
-[1949.04 --> 1950.00]  Apple Maps works
-[1950.00 --> 1951.24]  is sort of
-[1951.24 --> 1951.90]  their privacy
-[1951.90 --> 1952.96]  first approach
-[1952.96 --> 1954.08]  that they've been
-[1954.08 --> 1955.00]  sharing
-[1955.00 --> 1956.26]  throughout the years.
-[1956.50 --> 1956.66]  Yeah.
-[1956.78 --> 1957.40]  I'm not going to say
-[1957.40 --> 1958.02]  it's perfect.
-[1958.26 --> 1958.98]  But it feels like
-[1958.98 --> 1960.00]  they got most of it right
-[1960.00 --> 1961.54]  considering all of the
-[1961.54 --> 1962.76]  sort of technical stuff
-[1962.76 --> 1963.66]  that has to happen
-[1963.66 --> 1964.60]  to get you around
-[1964.60 --> 1965.58]  on a Maps app.
-[1965.76 --> 1967.82]  Or another way
-[1967.82 --> 1969.18]  is it feels like
-[1969.18 --> 1970.04]  they designed a product
-[1970.04 --> 1971.40]  to say screw you
-[1971.40 --> 1971.82]  to Google
-[1971.82 --> 1972.84]  on data collection
-[1972.84 --> 1973.56]  and stuff like that.
-[1973.62 --> 1974.14]  And did it work?
-[1974.54 --> 1974.76]  Well,
-[1974.94 --> 1976.26]  the display
-[1976.26 --> 1977.28]  is probably the best.
-[1977.36 --> 1977.82]  The other thing
-[1977.82 --> 1978.18]  that I found
-[1978.18 --> 1979.20]  surprisingly good
-[1979.20 --> 1981.48]  is the voice routing.
-[1981.82 --> 1983.42]  It has really good
-[1983.42 --> 1983.82]  clear,
-[1983.98 --> 1984.94]  like very clear
-[1984.94 --> 1985.58]  about which lane
-[1985.58 --> 1986.02]  to be in,
-[1986.10 --> 1986.98]  which isn't too uncommon.
-[1987.72 --> 1989.32]  And it's very clear
-[1989.32 --> 1990.44]  about intersections.
-[1990.78 --> 1992.10]  And here in the
-[1992.10 --> 1993.28]  Colorado-Denver area,
-[1993.46 --> 1994.78]  they stack the intersections.
-[1995.16 --> 1996.46]  So you drive
-[1996.46 --> 1997.12]  through an intersection
-[1997.12 --> 1998.56]  and then three
-[1998.56 --> 1999.44]  or four car lengths
-[1999.44 --> 1999.78]  later,
-[1999.88 --> 2001.24]  there is another intersection.
-[2001.88 --> 2002.54]  And so when you look
-[2002.54 --> 2003.14]  on a map,
-[2003.26 --> 2004.04]  you're not really sure
-[2004.04 --> 2004.72]  like what light
-[2004.72 --> 2005.36]  to turn on.
-[2005.52 --> 2006.96]  And the voice prompt
-[2006.96 --> 2007.70]  is very clear.
-[2007.80 --> 2008.26]  It'll say,
-[2008.26 --> 2009.96]  go through this light
-[2009.96 --> 2011.06]  and at the next light,
-[2011.52 --> 2012.12]  take a left,
-[2012.38 --> 2013.38]  be in the middle lane.
-[2014.06 --> 2014.88]  And when you're,
-[2014.88 --> 2015.50]  when you're new
-[2015.50 --> 2016.40]  to an area
-[2016.40 --> 2017.08]  and it's dark
-[2017.08 --> 2018.18]  and you're coming up
-[2018.18 --> 2018.96]  on two intersections
-[2018.96 --> 2019.40]  and you know
-[2019.40 --> 2020.42]  you've got a left turn
-[2020.42 --> 2021.50]  or a right turn,
-[2021.64 --> 2022.66]  that kind of clarity
-[2022.66 --> 2024.52]  just makes it low stress.
-[2024.62 --> 2025.28]  Then additionally,
-[2025.52 --> 2026.76]  they tie in with the watch
-[2026.76 --> 2027.78]  so it taps your arm
-[2027.78 --> 2028.92]  when you need to turn.
-[2029.36 --> 2030.62]  And when you were driving,
-[2031.00 --> 2031.68]  I was able to just
-[2031.68 --> 2032.36]  look at my watch
-[2032.36 --> 2032.78]  and tell you
-[2032.78 --> 2033.62]  what the next turn is.
-[2033.84 --> 2033.92]  Yeah,
-[2033.96 --> 2034.64]  that was really handy.
-[2034.92 --> 2036.36]  I will admit that
-[2036.36 --> 2037.56]  halfway through the trip,
-[2037.56 --> 2038.46]  I kind of gave up
-[2038.46 --> 2039.12]  on my phone
-[2039.12 --> 2040.30]  and my map app
-[2040.30 --> 2040.74]  because,
-[2041.08 --> 2041.18]  well,
-[2041.22 --> 2041.82]  we were doing this,
-[2041.86 --> 2042.52]  this experiment
-[2042.52 --> 2044.84]  and my methods
-[2044.84 --> 2045.32]  were failing.
-[2045.70 --> 2047.30]  So you were in the nav seat
-[2047.30 --> 2048.42]  and you were helping me out
-[2048.42 --> 2049.22]  and that actually
-[2049.22 --> 2049.92]  worked out all right.
-[2050.16 --> 2050.54]  I think I'm going
-[2050.54 --> 2051.14]  to stick with it.
-[2051.34 --> 2052.14]  I don't think I'm after the,
-[2052.26 --> 2052.46]  I mean,
-[2052.48 --> 2053.38]  I said I'd do it for two weeks
-[2053.38 --> 2053.82]  and I think I'm going
-[2053.82 --> 2054.48]  to stick with it.
-[2055.20 --> 2055.86]  I'll let my,
-[2055.98 --> 2056.14]  you know,
-[2056.18 --> 2056.90]  my wife will still have
-[2056.90 --> 2057.80]  Google Maps as a backup,
-[2058.08 --> 2058.76]  but for me,
-[2059.16 --> 2060.22]  I'm uninstalling Google Maps
-[2060.22 --> 2060.64]  off the phone.
-[2061.26 --> 2061.58]  Wow.
-[2061.80 --> 2061.92]  Yeah.
-[2061.92 --> 2063.14]  So that's quite a success.
-[2063.34 --> 2063.52]  Yeah.
-[2063.58 --> 2064.92]  It's not open street maps,
-[2065.14 --> 2066.12]  although I am playing
-[2066.12 --> 2066.74]  with those still
-[2066.74 --> 2067.58]  and I do really like
-[2067.58 --> 2068.28]  the way Magic Earth
-[2068.28 --> 2069.18]  displays things.
-[2069.76 --> 2070.96]  So for some circumstances,
-[2070.96 --> 2071.68]  like if I already know
-[2071.68 --> 2072.30]  the address
-[2072.30 --> 2073.28]  and I'm not searching
-[2073.28 --> 2073.92]  up something,
-[2074.66 --> 2075.88]  they may have a place still.
-[2076.24 --> 2077.62]  But I,
-[2077.70 --> 2078.28]  I was,
-[2078.46 --> 2079.42]  I was pretty impressed.
-[2080.20 --> 2080.76]  You know,
-[2080.82 --> 2081.76]  if you only could have
-[2081.76 --> 2082.24]  one app
-[2082.24 --> 2083.82]  and you didn't care
-[2083.82 --> 2084.80]  about Google tracking you,
-[2085.20 --> 2086.26]  I'd probably still suggest
-[2086.26 --> 2086.98]  you use Google Maps.
-[2087.84 --> 2088.40]  You know,
-[2088.52 --> 2088.78]  I,
-[2088.96 --> 2089.40]  for the trip,
-[2089.48 --> 2091.18]  used the same app
-[2091.18 --> 2091.86]  that I've been using
-[2091.86 --> 2093.24]  for probably the last two years
-[2093.24 --> 2094.36]  since I've tried this
-[2094.36 --> 2095.58]  de-googling a while ago,
-[2096.06 --> 2098.06]  mostly successfully.
-[2098.58 --> 2100.14]  And so I'm on Android
-[2100.14 --> 2100.92]  and I've been using
-[2100.92 --> 2102.38]  OpenStreetMap,
-[2102.46 --> 2103.44]  the OSM,
-[2103.60 --> 2104.46]  and plus.
-[2105.64 --> 2106.32]  There are things
-[2106.32 --> 2106.94]  I love about it
-[2106.94 --> 2107.88]  and things I hate about it.
-[2108.32 --> 2109.14]  The one thing,
-[2109.22 --> 2110.20]  you mentioned search.
-[2110.72 --> 2112.22]  I find it's great
-[2112.22 --> 2113.28]  if you know
-[2113.28 --> 2114.00]  approximately
-[2114.00 --> 2114.84]  where you want to go.
-[2115.00 --> 2115.70]  If you're trying to find
-[2115.70 --> 2116.70]  an exact business
-[2116.70 --> 2117.82]  or even
-[2117.82 --> 2119.06]  an exact address
-[2119.06 --> 2120.46]  on a popular street,
-[2120.92 --> 2122.86]  it's not necessarily
-[2122.86 --> 2123.46]  going to have it.
-[2123.52 --> 2124.26]  It might have some
-[2124.26 --> 2125.16]  of the street numbers,
-[2125.60 --> 2126.76]  but certainly not all of them.
-[2126.82 --> 2127.68]  I found that to be
-[2127.68 --> 2128.52]  a little bit frustrating,
-[2128.80 --> 2129.02]  but
-[2129.02 --> 2131.40]  it gets me there.
-[2132.06 --> 2132.88]  I will say
-[2132.88 --> 2133.84]  90% of the time
-[2133.84 --> 2134.52]  it works for me,
-[2134.60 --> 2135.82]  but I like getting lost
-[2135.82 --> 2136.60]  in new cities,
-[2136.76 --> 2137.58]  so maybe that's
-[2137.58 --> 2138.44]  a unique approach.
-[2138.86 --> 2139.48]  Well, there's that
-[2139.48 --> 2140.34]  if you don't mind getting lost.
-[2140.42 --> 2141.00]  That's a feature.
-[2141.42 --> 2142.16]  Yeah, for Brent.
-[2142.64 --> 2143.48]  The thing I liked
-[2143.48 --> 2144.58]  about the OpenStreetMaps app
-[2144.58 --> 2145.56]  is that you could download
-[2145.56 --> 2146.52]  your maps offline.
-[2146.70 --> 2147.24]  Hold on a minute.
-[2147.50 --> 2148.04]  Hold on a minute.
-[2148.96 --> 2149.68]  OSM and Plus
-[2149.68 --> 2150.84]  is $25.
-[2152.04 --> 2152.74]  That's quite a lot,
-[2152.80 --> 2153.06]  isn't it,
-[2153.06 --> 2153.46]  for an app?
-[2153.76 --> 2154.20]  Well, you know,
-[2154.30 --> 2156.42]  it's not $25 for me
-[2156.42 --> 2157.26]  when I get it from
-[2157.26 --> 2157.96]  F-Droid.
-[2158.62 --> 2159.78]  Ah, there you go,
-[2159.82 --> 2160.12]  you see.
-[2161.70 --> 2162.44]  I've been using
-[2162.44 --> 2163.04]  ViewRanger
-[2163.04 --> 2164.40]  for quite a number
-[2164.40 --> 2164.72]  of years.
-[2164.78 --> 2165.68]  Whenever I take a hike
-[2165.68 --> 2166.50]  or something like that,
-[2166.60 --> 2166.88]  I actually,
-[2167.14 --> 2168.24]  this is a very
-[2168.24 --> 2169.12]  long-term usage
-[2169.12 --> 2169.62]  for me
-[2169.62 --> 2170.92]  from back
-[2170.92 --> 2171.58]  when I lived in England.
-[2171.58 --> 2173.52]  It supports things
-[2173.52 --> 2174.76]  like Ordnance Survey Maps
-[2174.76 --> 2175.66]  and you can download
-[2175.66 --> 2177.16]  US Geological Survey Maps.
-[2177.26 --> 2178.02]  You can buy them
-[2178.02 --> 2179.58]  and actually buy the tiles
-[2179.58 --> 2181.00]  directly in ViewRanger.
-[2181.54 --> 2182.78]  They're changing their name
-[2182.78 --> 2184.10]  to Outdoor Active
-[2184.10 --> 2185.96]  so you can find them
-[2185.96 --> 2186.92]  at ViewRanger.com.
-[2187.22 --> 2188.20]  I've found that one
-[2188.20 --> 2188.62]  pretty good.
-[2189.18 --> 2190.02]  Brent there mentioned
-[2190.02 --> 2190.70]  F-Droid.
-[2191.16 --> 2192.44]  We got several people,
-[2192.62 --> 2193.42]  including Ross,
-[2193.48 --> 2194.36]  who wrote in and said,
-[2194.48 --> 2195.58]  I like the Aurora Store.
-[2196.00 --> 2196.68]  It's an alternative
-[2196.68 --> 2197.90]  front-end for Google Play
-[2197.90 --> 2199.14]  which keeps your data away
-[2199.14 --> 2200.08]  while giving you access
-[2200.08 --> 2200.78]  to those apps
-[2200.78 --> 2201.54]  that are exclusive.
-[2202.98 --> 2203.46]  He's like,
-[2203.50 --> 2203.98]  that's the only way
-[2203.98 --> 2205.08]  I could get the Starlink app.
-[2205.96 --> 2206.64]  I will admit,
-[2206.78 --> 2208.24]  I have Aurora Droid installed
-[2208.24 --> 2209.00]  and I prefer it
-[2209.00 --> 2209.48]  over F-Droid
-[2209.48 --> 2210.50]  most of the time.
-[2210.80 --> 2211.16]  It has a few
-[2211.16 --> 2211.92]  little tiny bugs,
-[2212.04 --> 2212.58]  but I didn't know
-[2212.58 --> 2213.28]  that was a feature,
-[2213.46 --> 2214.20]  so that's great to hear.
-[2214.62 --> 2215.80]  Ross says that he switched
-[2215.80 --> 2217.14]  to ProtonMail from Gmail
-[2217.14 --> 2218.66]  and I've used ProtonMail
-[2218.66 --> 2219.48]  and I like it a lot.
-[2220.72 --> 2221.68]  So there's something there.
-[2222.46 --> 2223.30]  There was also,
-[2223.56 --> 2224.90]  a lot of people wrote in
-[2224.90 --> 2225.88]  about their different approaches
-[2225.88 --> 2226.94]  to contact syncing
-[2226.94 --> 2227.76]  and Brent,
-[2227.80 --> 2228.30]  did you cover
-[2228.30 --> 2229.06]  in last week's episode
-[2229.06 --> 2229.60]  how you do that?
-[2229.78 --> 2230.32]  I think I did,
-[2230.38 --> 2231.00]  but I'll do it again.
-[2231.34 --> 2232.30]  I'm using NextCloud
-[2232.30 --> 2233.08]  for contact syncing
-[2233.08 --> 2234.16]  and I've found that
-[2234.16 --> 2235.50]  to be pretty bulletproof actually.
-[2235.66 --> 2236.66]  I was worried at first
-[2236.66 --> 2237.82]  when I did it a while ago
-[2237.82 --> 2239.36]  because contacts
-[2239.36 --> 2241.44]  is arguably the thing
-[2241.44 --> 2242.46]  that's most important to me
-[2242.46 --> 2244.12]  getting all of that right
-[2244.12 --> 2245.32]  and it's been bulletproof.
-[2246.20 --> 2247.04]  Well, Dale writes in,
-[2247.14 --> 2248.66]  I just listened to episode 51
-[2248.66 --> 2250.46]  and I think Brent mentioned
-[2250.46 --> 2251.12]  NextCloud.
-[2251.54 --> 2252.46]  Yes, confirmed.
-[2252.66 --> 2253.64]  We just had that confirmed
-[2253.64 --> 2254.02]  by Brent.
-[2254.10 --> 2254.44]  Thank you.
-[2254.98 --> 2256.20]  And I wondered if any of you
-[2256.20 --> 2258.06]  have heard or used Etsy Sync,
-[2258.10 --> 2260.16]  that's E-T-E-Sync.com.
-[2260.54 --> 2262.12]  It's a self-hostable project
-[2262.12 --> 2263.24]  whose value proposition
-[2263.24 --> 2264.18]  is secure,
-[2264.40 --> 2265.42]  end-to-end encrypted
-[2265.42 --> 2267.44]  and privacy respecting sync
-[2267.44 --> 2268.20]  for your contacts,
-[2268.42 --> 2268.84]  calendars,
-[2269.02 --> 2270.24]  tasks and notes.
-[2270.66 --> 2271.56]  I've been using it
-[2271.56 --> 2272.88]  for about two years now
-[2272.88 --> 2274.24]  and more recently
-[2274.24 --> 2274.94]  I've been using it
-[2274.94 --> 2275.84]  on my GNOME desktop.
-[2275.84 --> 2276.98]  I pay for them
-[2276.98 --> 2277.90]  to manage the hosting
-[2277.90 --> 2278.42]  and syncing
-[2278.42 --> 2279.30]  but you could absolutely
-[2279.30 --> 2280.14]  host it yourself.
-[2280.58 --> 2281.58]  Highly recommend it.
-[2281.70 --> 2282.46]  Thanks for the great show
-[2282.46 --> 2283.04]  and all the best.
-[2283.30 --> 2283.52]  Dale.
-[2284.58 --> 2285.72]  E-T-E-Sync.com
-[2285.72 --> 2286.44]  We'll have a link to that
-[2286.44 --> 2286.92]  in the show notes.
-[2286.96 --> 2287.64]  I looked at it
-[2287.64 --> 2289.00]  before the show
-[2289.00 --> 2290.40]  and it's a solution
-[2290.40 --> 2291.34]  that really is kind of
-[2291.34 --> 2292.94]  targeted at just
-[2292.94 --> 2295.02]  a end-to-end
-[2295.02 --> 2296.40]  encrypted sync
-[2296.40 --> 2297.82]  of contact calendar
-[2297.82 --> 2298.48]  task notes.
-[2298.60 --> 2299.38]  Like it just solves
-[2299.38 --> 2300.02]  that problem.
-[2300.20 --> 2301.26]  That's what they focus on.
-[2301.54 --> 2302.54]  And they've got apps
-[2302.54 --> 2303.66]  in the Apple App Store,
-[2304.14 --> 2304.62]  Google Play,
-[2304.62 --> 2305.72]  they're on F-Droid too
-[2305.72 --> 2307.20]  and of course
-[2307.20 --> 2307.88]  you can get it
-[2307.88 --> 2308.36]  on your desktop.
-[2308.90 --> 2310.32]  It looks pretty legit actually.
-[2310.54 --> 2311.54]  I think I just decrypted
-[2311.54 --> 2312.62]  what their name means.
-[2312.76 --> 2313.48]  E-to-E-Sync
-[2313.48 --> 2314.36]  is end-to-end sync
-[2314.36 --> 2314.88]  isn't it?
-[2315.08 --> 2316.74]  Ah, I was wondering.
-[2317.08 --> 2317.42]  Duh.
-[2318.58 --> 2319.42]  It's one of those moments
-[2319.42 --> 2320.02]  you figure it out
-[2320.02 --> 2320.38]  and you're like
-[2320.38 --> 2321.48]  oh I feel like a dummy now.
-[2323.18 --> 2324.18]  You know if I could
-[2324.18 --> 2325.00]  mention one thing
-[2325.00 --> 2325.80]  about Nextcloud
-[2325.80 --> 2327.74]  on Android at least
-[2327.74 --> 2328.66]  that made it
-[2328.66 --> 2330.28]  possible for me
-[2330.28 --> 2331.42]  and integrates it
-[2331.42 --> 2332.34]  at a system level
-[2332.34 --> 2332.94]  everywhere
-[2332.94 --> 2334.58]  is this little app
-[2334.58 --> 2335.68]  called DevX5.
-[2336.06 --> 2337.46]  It takes the Nextcloud
-[2337.46 --> 2337.96]  syncing
-[2337.96 --> 2339.64]  which is CalDev
-[2339.64 --> 2341.00]  and CardDev
-[2341.00 --> 2341.96]  and just
-[2341.96 --> 2342.70]  sort of
-[2342.70 --> 2343.42]  makes that
-[2343.42 --> 2343.96]  available
-[2343.96 --> 2344.90]  at a system level
-[2344.90 --> 2346.10]  in the same exact
-[2346.10 --> 2346.60]  places
-[2346.60 --> 2347.42]  and ways
-[2347.42 --> 2348.20]  that all of the
-[2348.20 --> 2349.08]  Google stuff
-[2349.08 --> 2349.62]  appears
-[2349.62 --> 2350.70]  so it's just seamless.
-[2351.16 --> 2351.60]  So that would be
-[2351.60 --> 2352.30]  a huge recommendation
-[2352.30 --> 2352.88]  from me.
-[2353.04 --> 2353.88]  Say it again for me.
-[2355.02 --> 2355.54]  DevX5
-[2355.54 --> 2357.06]  available in F-Droid
-[2357.06 --> 2358.20]  and maybe
-[2358.20 --> 2359.10]  in other stores.
-[2359.20 --> 2359.70]  Can you put a link
-[2359.70 --> 2360.22]  in the show notes
-[2360.22 --> 2360.76]  for us Brent?
-[2361.24 --> 2361.86]  Oh probably.
-[2362.56 --> 2363.26]  So what did you guys
-[2363.26 --> 2364.10]  think of the meetup?
-[2364.56 --> 2365.18]  It was pretty cool
-[2365.18 --> 2366.14]  to meet some of our
-[2366.14 --> 2367.06]  listeners huh?
-[2367.34 --> 2368.18]  Yeah we saw
-[2368.18 --> 2369.16]  a Chris and the Badger
-[2369.16 --> 2369.70]  shirt there
-[2369.70 --> 2370.80]  which was exciting
-[2370.80 --> 2371.24]  because I hadn't
-[2371.24 --> 2371.86]  considered that
-[2371.86 --> 2372.48]  somebody would get
-[2372.48 --> 2372.96]  a shirt with the
-[2372.96 --> 2373.54]  intention of bringing
-[2373.54 --> 2374.08]  it to the meetup.
-[2374.18 --> 2374.68]  That was great.
-[2374.90 --> 2375.68]  That was Optimus Grey
-[2375.68 --> 2376.36]  rocking the Chris
-[2376.36 --> 2376.92]  and the Badger.
-[2377.44 --> 2377.88]  Yeah I thought
-[2377.88 --> 2378.52]  that was super cool.
-[2378.62 --> 2379.28]  He posed for a picture
-[2379.28 --> 2379.88]  with us and we had
-[2379.88 --> 2380.44]  to stand on the
-[2380.44 --> 2381.28]  correct sides as well.
-[2381.38 --> 2381.72]  You know I was
-[2381.72 --> 2382.50]  on the Badger side
-[2382.50 --> 2382.96]  and you were on
-[2382.96 --> 2383.56]  the Chris side.
-[2383.84 --> 2383.98]  Right.
-[2384.04 --> 2384.60]  My daughter thought
-[2384.60 --> 2385.48]  it was so cool
-[2385.48 --> 2386.10]  that people wanted
-[2386.10 --> 2387.02]  to take selfies
-[2387.02 --> 2387.76]  with us.
-[2387.86 --> 2388.06]  So I was like
-[2388.06 --> 2388.96]  really that's the
-[2388.96 --> 2389.66]  thing you think
-[2389.66 --> 2390.24]  is cool?
-[2390.50 --> 2390.80]  Alright.
-[2391.20 --> 2391.60]  Okay.
-[2391.94 --> 2392.44]  Well I thought
-[2392.44 --> 2393.42]  the free donuts
-[2393.42 --> 2394.12]  were pretty cool.
-[2394.36 --> 2395.10]  Linode put on
-[2395.10 --> 2396.04]  a heck of a show
-[2396.04 --> 2396.52]  for us.
-[2396.78 --> 2397.54]  Yeah you know
-[2397.54 --> 2398.62]  Brent and I
-[2398.62 --> 2399.30]  and Wes went
-[2399.30 --> 2400.30]  to grab those donuts
-[2400.30 --> 2401.04]  and that was
-[2401.04 --> 2401.64]  quite the journey
-[2401.64 --> 2402.08]  because it was
-[2402.08 --> 2403.44]  150 donuts
-[2403.44 --> 2404.62]  and it was in
-[2404.62 --> 2405.50]  downtown Denver
-[2405.50 --> 2406.80]  during Friday
-[2406.80 --> 2407.42]  rush hour.
-[2407.54 --> 2407.90]  I don't know
-[2407.90 --> 2408.42]  what we were
-[2408.42 --> 2408.80]  thinking.
-[2409.80 --> 2410.62]  And so at a
-[2410.62 --> 2411.16]  certain point
-[2411.16 --> 2412.12]  I saw a little
-[2412.12 --> 2412.86]  bit of Canadian
-[2412.86 --> 2414.06]  road rage emerge
-[2414.06 --> 2414.60]  out of Brent
-[2414.60 --> 2415.44]  when this truck
-[2415.44 --> 2416.92]  Brent had gotten
-[2416.92 --> 2417.46]  into a battle
-[2417.46 --> 2418.04]  with a truck
-[2418.04 --> 2418.40]  downtown
-[2418.40 --> 2419.86]  and he had
-[2419.86 --> 2420.18]  to kind of
-[2420.18 --> 2420.56]  cut in front
-[2420.56 --> 2420.94]  of the truck
-[2420.94 --> 2421.64]  because a lane
-[2421.64 --> 2422.14]  was ending
-[2422.14 --> 2422.80]  and the truck
-[2422.80 --> 2423.54]  driver never
-[2423.54 --> 2424.16]  forgave him
-[2424.16 --> 2424.74]  for it.
-[2426.00 --> 2426.72]  Does Brent
-[2426.72 --> 2427.40]  get angry?
-[2427.82 --> 2428.12]  I mean
-[2428.12 --> 2428.96]  disgruntled?
-[2429.28 --> 2430.14]  I got slightly
-[2430.14 --> 2430.72]  more aggressive
-[2430.72 --> 2431.42]  in my driving.
-[2431.70 --> 2431.98]  Oh wow.
-[2432.28 --> 2433.06]  It was one
-[2433.06 --> 2433.82]  of those situations
-[2433.82 --> 2434.34]  where you just
-[2434.34 --> 2434.88]  got to get over
-[2434.88 --> 2435.30]  and you got to
-[2435.30 --> 2435.62]  do everything
-[2435.62 --> 2436.10]  you can
-[2436.10 --> 2437.06]  and it wasn't
-[2437.06 --> 2437.60]  too bad
-[2437.60 --> 2438.40]  actually I thought
-[2438.40 --> 2439.52]  but that truck
-[2439.52 --> 2440.28]  decided to
-[2440.28 --> 2441.94]  very aggressively
-[2441.94 --> 2442.74]  pass us
-[2442.74 --> 2443.18]  on the right
-[2443.18 --> 2443.78]  hand side.
-[2443.92 --> 2444.12]  You had to
-[2444.12 --> 2444.94]  work at it too.
-[2445.14 --> 2445.46]  Oh yeah.
-[2445.46 --> 2446.88]  and promptly
-[2446.88 --> 2447.82]  cut us off
-[2447.82 --> 2449.30]  again on the
-[2449.30 --> 2449.70]  left hand side.
-[2449.70 --> 2450.24]  We're just trying
-[2450.24 --> 2450.76]  to make a donut
-[2450.76 --> 2451.06]  run.
-[2451.62 --> 2452.58]  I don't think he
-[2452.58 --> 2453.22]  realized what we
-[2453.22 --> 2453.66]  were trying to
-[2453.66 --> 2454.08]  accomplish.
-[2454.38 --> 2454.72]  I know.
-[2454.96 --> 2455.28]  I know.
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+[0.00 --> 4.32]  Well, here we are, fresh back from Denver. We're joined by Brent again, who's still hanging around.
+[4.56 --> 6.52]  And Chris, hey, hi, how are you doing, gentlemen?
+[7.12 --> 8.74]  Hello. Hey, Brent, thanks for coming in again.
+[8.96 --> 10.36]  Hey, thanks. It's good to be here.
+[10.40 --> 14.46]  You're like our de-Google correspondent, and we're going to be talking a lot about that this week.
+[14.76 --> 15.44]  Beep-de-beep, beep-de-beep.
+[15.50 --> 16.34]  Beep-beep-beep-beep-beep.
+[18.38 --> 22.52]  Yeah, well, my dumbass mentioned de-Googling just the week before.
+[22.64 --> 26.36]  We're taking a massive trip, and I'd have zero hours to actually do any prep for the episode.
+[26.96 --> 33.50]  Luckily, the audience saw fit to write in with about 800 emails telling us all the different ways that they're doing it.
+[33.56 --> 37.20]  So we're going to come across some of those later on in the show.
+[37.72 --> 39.40]  But in the meantime...
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+[51.14 --> 52.88]  I followed through on my challenge, Alex.
+[52.88 --> 65.00]  I de-Googled my map experience, which was crazy because we are on the road, and I was navigating Denver and now Colorado Springs for the entire time, the duration of this challenge.
+[65.36 --> 69.06]  So I will report back on my results when we get to the feedback.
+[69.50 --> 73.84]  But I think we should start with this news story that, I don't know, it's kind of a bummer, actually.
+[74.24 --> 75.64]  I was really sad to see this, yes.
+[75.64 --> 83.84]  Back in episode 33, we did a review of the Helios 64 Ultimate Arm-Powered NAS.
+[84.64 --> 88.70]  And unfortunately, the Cobalt team today have announced on their blog that they're pulling the plug.
+[89.20 --> 90.50]  Yeah, no more.
+[90.60 --> 94.28]  They're not even going to do the next batch that there's already orders in the pipeline for.
+[94.36 --> 96.50]  They say it really comes down to just two key points.
+[96.50 --> 103.88]  There's ongoing difficulties with manufacturing and procuring parts and costs of getting higher and higher.
+[104.56 --> 105.42]  That's been a problem.
+[105.50 --> 107.52]  And they say, number two, they made a rookie mistake.
+[107.70 --> 109.12]  They stretched themselves too thin.
+[109.64 --> 112.92]  They essentially went into the Helios 64 while just being a three-man show.
+[113.12 --> 115.14]  And they should have brought more people on board.
+[115.42 --> 116.36]  And they burned out.
+[116.36 --> 123.62]  You know, we got a really interesting insight into this manufacturing difficulties during our System76 factory tour last week,
+[123.82 --> 131.88]  where Jeremy, who is the guy that designed some of the firmware chips and some of the firmware itself for the launch keyboard,
+[132.04 --> 139.34]  was saying that they had to redesign on the fly two or three times some of the circuitry in that keyboard
+[139.34 --> 142.36]  because parts would go out of stock within hours.
+[142.36 --> 149.88]  And that he decided in the end to go ahead and order several, you know, hundred units of the parts they needed
+[149.88 --> 155.20]  before he'd actually finished the firmware so that it didn't go out of stock before he finished writing the code.
+[155.38 --> 161.72]  So if that's what System76 are up against, then they're probably a much larger player in this space than COBOL.
+[162.60 --> 164.94]  I can only imagine some of the issues that those guys are having.
+[165.20 --> 169.36]  It's a shame, though, because I think there's a lot of passion for an ARM-powered NAS,
+[169.36 --> 172.88]  specifically for those of us who are looking for low-power solutions.
+[173.54 --> 177.18]  We had some hopes that Helios was going to produce that for us.
+[177.44 --> 180.96]  Well, I think this speaks to some motivations that I've been feeling lately,
+[181.12 --> 185.12]  particularly after the last week getting the tour of the factory and seeing all the CNC machines
+[185.12 --> 187.22]  and all the powder coating stuff.
+[187.40 --> 191.56]  And, I mean, if ever you get the chance to be in Denver and do a tour of System76,
+[192.44 --> 194.08]  I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
+[194.20 --> 195.86]  You know, they're not a sponsor of the show or anything,
+[196.36 --> 198.22]  although they do sponsor other JB shows.
+[198.22 --> 199.62]  Just Coder, but yeah.
+[200.12 --> 201.42]  Oh, just Coder. That's right.
+[201.88 --> 203.74]  I mean, you know, maybe we should have them sponsor this show,
+[203.82 --> 207.86]  because those Thaleoses would make great NASes, so maybe they should be.
+[208.70 --> 211.20]  It was a truly inspirational experience for me.
+[211.24 --> 216.40]  So I'm sat here thinking, okay, COBOL, who was my hope, my light in this space,
+[216.46 --> 218.20]  has just bowed out.
+[218.30 --> 223.16]  Maybe Alex should start a company and build the ultimate NAS.
+[223.36 --> 224.68]  You know, maybe I should do that.
+[224.68 --> 226.98]  I think you've got a little bit of experience, Alex,
+[227.08 --> 229.96]  and some trials and tribulations that you've gone through already,
+[230.08 --> 231.20]  so maybe you're perfectly suited.
+[231.46 --> 234.16]  You could prototype 3D print the enclosure.
+[234.52 --> 236.26]  Well, you know, that was one of the things that struck me.
+[236.32 --> 239.26]  I know this is turning into a System76 factory tour recap,
+[239.56 --> 242.70]  but this is one of the things that struck me most during that tour, actually.
+[242.78 --> 245.50]  I asked them, you know, do you use 3D printing for your prototypes?
+[245.94 --> 249.16]  And they were like, well, no, it's just easier to do it in metal, isn't it?
+[249.52 --> 250.36]  And I'm like, is it?
+[250.36 --> 251.96]  Yeah, they used to.
+[252.20 --> 253.48]  Back in the day, they did.
+[253.68 --> 256.40]  I think one of the realities is that it's, with the equipment they have,
+[256.44 --> 258.12]  it's faster to make it out of metal.
+[258.30 --> 260.88]  It is really, you know, I think the reason why you keep coming back to it, Alex,
+[260.94 --> 266.40]  is because it is so hard to appreciate the amount of work that goes into manufacturing,
+[266.68 --> 268.08]  and that's an obvious thing to say.
+[268.50 --> 273.80]  But when you go to the factory, and you see every little thing they had to consider,
+[273.80 --> 277.90]  and when they're bringing things in as a block of aluminum,
+[277.90 --> 280.76]  and what's coming out on the other end is a keyboard or a case,
+[281.44 --> 286.04]  you really have no idea how intricate that process is until you see it.
+[286.52 --> 290.54]  And I think that's what is probably, I mean, that's what's resonated with me and stuck with me,
+[290.56 --> 292.10]  and I got to imagine probably for you, too.
+[292.66 --> 296.16]  Yeah, well, one example was Carl, who is the founder of System76.
+[296.58 --> 300.40]  I was just stood next to a shelf with loads of different parts in it,
+[300.40 --> 304.26]  and I picked up, like, an innocuous little nameplate, you know,
+[304.28 --> 306.28]  about the size of a dog tag or something like that,
+[306.62 --> 310.22]  and he jumped straight into a five-minute discussion telling me about all the different,
+[310.38 --> 312.80]  you know, reasons why they pick that particular size,
+[313.26 --> 315.58]  how it goes through their laser etching machine,
+[315.74 --> 318.20]  and how they're considering doing direct engraving instead,
+[318.32 --> 319.12]  and all that kind of stuff.
+[319.14 --> 323.50]  And I'm like, wow, if that's the amount of thought that goes into a nameplate,
+[323.50 --> 324.92]  or a serial number plate,
+[325.80 --> 330.38]  this is going to be a big mountain to solve if I want to try and do it myself.
+[330.68 --> 332.44]  That's what I take from it.
+[332.48 --> 335.02]  You take from it, hmm, maybe Alex could make a Nash.
+[335.06 --> 335.72]  That could be cool.
+[335.82 --> 338.80]  I take from it, oh, my God, I would have to build a factory,
+[338.80 --> 340.70]  and I would have to learn all this stuff.
+[341.12 --> 342.70]  Oh, well, that sounds fun, doesn't it?
+[342.96 --> 344.18]  Daunting, but fun.
+[344.66 --> 346.88]  Yeah, if I had another life,
+[347.52 --> 350.60]  if I had, like, you know, another hundred years,
+[350.68 --> 352.74]  I definitely would get into it for sure.
+[353.20 --> 355.46]  But you manufacture stuff every week as well,
+[355.50 --> 357.04]  and you ship podcasts every week.
+[357.04 --> 361.46]  Okay, you're not manufacturing aluminium into, you know, computer cases,
+[362.00 --> 364.68]  but you ship and manufacture stuff just the same.
+[364.92 --> 366.02]  That's true, and there have been many times
+[366.02 --> 367.82]  when we refer to our production pipeline
+[367.82 --> 369.42]  as kind of a manufacturing pipeline.
+[369.66 --> 374.92]  And if one component is delayed or, you know, gets out of order,
+[375.34 --> 376.46]  it does cause a jam up.
+[376.54 --> 379.10]  There is a lot of that kind of building tech around that.
+[379.18 --> 381.20]  Maybe that's why I don't have the appetite to do it again,
+[381.20 --> 383.34]  but I definitely would sit here and encourage you.
+[383.64 --> 385.12]  I'll be customer number one.
+[386.92 --> 387.80]  I'll be number two.
+[388.28 --> 390.68]  Well, there's a lot of roadblocks to overcome,
+[391.30 --> 393.58]  but if I could just bring it back to Cobol for a minute,
+[393.84 --> 395.80]  you know, one of the things I picked up on in my review
+[395.80 --> 398.56]  was that the product wasn't 100% finished,
+[398.62 --> 400.32]  and I've got to believe that with this news
+[400.32 --> 403.56]  that some of the issues that were present with that NAS now
+[403.56 --> 405.10]  will never be solved.
+[405.24 --> 407.24]  You know, things like the backplane breaking,
+[407.24 --> 410.24]  some of the plastic tabs, you know,
+[410.28 --> 411.64]  the power connector and data connector
+[411.64 --> 413.82]  on three of my hard drives, it turned out eventually.
+[414.74 --> 417.06]  Problems with the two and a half gigabit network adapter.
+[417.70 --> 419.20]  There was a bunch of other stuff as well.
+[419.36 --> 420.82]  You know, you can go and listen to episode 33
+[420.82 --> 421.84]  if you want the full review.
+[422.52 --> 424.74]  Well, I worry now this means that some of this stuff's
+[424.74 --> 425.84]  never going to get fixed.
+[426.48 --> 427.32]  Do you think you killed them?
+[427.46 --> 429.24]  Do you think that bad review killed them, Alex?
+[430.36 --> 431.26]  You murdered them.
+[431.74 --> 432.76]  Oh, don't say that.
+[432.82 --> 433.82]  I mean, I didn't mean to.
+[433.88 --> 434.94]  I was just trying to be honest.
+[434.94 --> 438.26]  It was presented in a way that I felt was constructive
+[438.26 --> 439.44]  to say that there are these,
+[439.92 --> 441.52]  it's a very promising piece of hardware.
+[441.64 --> 444.26]  I mean, the aluminium chassis was really lovely.
+[444.90 --> 446.78]  There was just a couple of key things that let it down,
+[446.84 --> 448.52]  you know, in terms of manufacturing tolerances
+[448.52 --> 449.88]  and a couple of firmware things.
+[450.04 --> 452.28]  But overall, they did a really great job.
+[452.32 --> 455.70]  And I wish there was some way we could tell them that,
+[455.74 --> 458.00]  you know, even though we weren't 100% positive,
+[458.00 --> 459.82]  it was just because we loved the idea,
+[459.92 --> 462.06]  not because we didn't want them to carry on and succeed.
+[462.64 --> 463.26]  I agree completely.
+[463.26 --> 466.52]  And they don't completely close the door in their blog post.
+[466.60 --> 468.10]  We'll have that linked in the show notes if you want.
+[468.16 --> 469.78]  They do kind of leave it cracked a little bit,
+[469.82 --> 470.76]  like maybe it'll come back.
+[471.14 --> 474.10]  But I wanted to shift gears and talk about something
+[474.10 --> 476.12]  that could solve a big problem for me.
+[476.20 --> 478.30]  I actually went out and I pre-ordered
+[478.30 --> 481.14]  a bunch of Wyze 3 cameras a long time ago.
+[481.18 --> 483.74]  And I have a box of Wyze 3 cameras
+[483.74 --> 485.36]  that I haven't installed
+[485.36 --> 489.30]  because they do not yet have an RTMP firmware
+[489.30 --> 491.72]  or an RTSP firmware for Wyze 3.
+[492.06 --> 493.92]  But Alex, I think you've solved that this week.
+[494.14 --> 495.86]  Yeah, I don't know where I came across this,
+[495.98 --> 497.76]  but I found a Docker container
+[497.76 --> 500.62]  that is called Docker Wyze Bridge.
+[500.84 --> 502.12]  Link in the show notes, of course.
+[502.48 --> 504.08]  And essentially what this does
+[504.08 --> 507.62]  is you give it your Wyze username and password
+[507.62 --> 509.86]  and it goes and sort of acts as an intermediary
+[509.86 --> 512.18]  between the Wyze API and the cameras.
+[512.18 --> 514.80]  And somehow it hooks into the local feed
+[514.80 --> 516.00]  on the cameras on your LAN
+[516.00 --> 520.22]  and then presents you with a normal RTSP stream.
+[520.44 --> 522.26]  So I've just got that feeding into Blue Iris
+[522.26 --> 524.28]  and it just works.
+[524.78 --> 525.52]  That's fascinating.
+[525.78 --> 528.18]  And yeah, it can actually do both.
+[528.26 --> 530.52]  It can pull from the Wyze servers
+[530.52 --> 531.68]  using your credentials.
+[532.24 --> 534.00]  Or with your credentials, it can use that.
+[534.10 --> 535.88]  There's a library that the app uses
+[535.88 --> 538.50]  and it essentially does a discovery on your network.
+[539.22 --> 541.04]  And the Wyze app does this as well.
+[541.04 --> 544.24]  And if it detects the camera, it uses LAN mode
+[544.24 --> 546.10]  and it just does that locally
+[546.10 --> 548.20]  and avoids the cloud relay.
+[548.92 --> 551.02]  And you can also in your Docker Compose,
+[551.10 --> 553.30]  there is an environment variable you can pass through
+[553.30 --> 555.82]  that says LAN underscore only that says,
+[556.00 --> 557.84]  don't even try the remote thing.
+[558.30 --> 560.66]  Only stream if you can locally detect them.
+[561.06 --> 562.72]  And that was the piece I was curious about.
+[562.78 --> 563.84]  That's why I dug into this.
+[563.92 --> 566.04]  And that means I could absolutely do this here in the RV,
+[566.22 --> 567.94]  which means I could replace these Wyze cams
+[567.94 --> 568.88]  that have been giving me trouble.
+[568.88 --> 570.20]  The version two was good,
+[570.20 --> 572.20]  but just didn't have enough horsepower,
+[572.44 --> 574.26]  didn't really work so great at night.
+[574.58 --> 576.14]  And the Wyze 3 solves those.
+[576.60 --> 578.54]  And with this Docker Wyze bridge,
+[578.58 --> 581.32]  which seems to have a decent community around it as well
+[581.32 --> 582.50]  and some active development,
+[583.10 --> 585.54]  I think my problems have been solved.
+[585.82 --> 587.46]  And I'll give this a go, I think,
+[587.48 --> 589.28]  once we get back into our home base.
+[589.28 --> 591.14]  So far as I can tell,
+[591.24 --> 593.56]  it only works on the V3 cameras.
+[593.80 --> 596.92]  So I've got a couple of V2s flashed with the RTSP firmware
+[596.92 --> 599.02]  and a couple of V3s.
+[599.12 --> 601.24]  And the app will, in its logs,
+[601.36 --> 603.58]  show me a bunch of errors for the two V2 cameras.
+[604.04 --> 605.68]  I don't know if that's because I'm running the,
+[605.74 --> 608.60]  you know, custom firmware or whatever it is.
+[609.30 --> 612.56]  But the performance with the V3s is great.
+[612.66 --> 614.74]  We've been using it as a baby monitor for my daughter.
+[614.74 --> 617.16]  And the night vision on there is just,
+[617.50 --> 618.66]  it's like daytime.
+[618.94 --> 619.86]  It's wonderful.
+[620.44 --> 621.78]  They blew it out of the park with the night vision.
+[622.00 --> 623.48]  It's tricky with the firmwares.
+[623.62 --> 625.22]  So this is an issue.
+[625.34 --> 626.30]  And I'm glad you brought it up
+[626.30 --> 627.68]  because we need to mention this on the show.
+[628.28 --> 630.06]  And they have it on their GitHub page.
+[630.20 --> 635.24]  There is a slightly older version of the firmware for V2
+[635.24 --> 637.24]  that is compatible with the bridge.
+[637.38 --> 640.16]  But if you use the latest firmware for V2,
+[640.68 --> 641.56]  it doesn't work.
+[641.56 --> 646.82]  And that actually holds true for some instances of the V3 model too.
+[646.90 --> 648.22]  So there's a version that does work
+[648.22 --> 649.92]  and there's a version that doesn't work with the V3
+[649.92 --> 651.90]  and the pan camera as well.
+[652.28 --> 653.92]  Anyways, the links in the show notes,
+[654.02 --> 655.40]  you do need to check into that
+[655.40 --> 659.34]  because I may have a really old firmware.
+[659.60 --> 660.60]  And so I'm going to have a hard time
+[660.60 --> 663.12]  getting just the right compatible firmware in some cases,
+[663.26 --> 665.20]  but they have all the information you need.
+[665.92 --> 668.80]  Back in episode 48, we talked about the Pi KVM,
+[668.80 --> 671.36]  you know, that wonderful Raspberry Pi
+[671.36 --> 677.22]  that captures HDMI and basically acts like a BMC KVM type thing.
+[677.64 --> 678.44]  Well, good news.
+[678.62 --> 682.34]  Their version 3 hat has finally entered Kickstarter mode.
+[682.86 --> 684.52]  It is a little pricey.
+[684.78 --> 688.24]  So the main hat, which doesn't include a Raspberry Pi,
+[688.80 --> 690.12]  costs $145.
+[690.52 --> 693.38]  So by the time you've added a Pi as well and a case,
+[693.38 --> 696.02]  it's going to be north of $200.
+[697.20 --> 699.16]  But you do get a lot of useful stuff in there,
+[699.22 --> 702.34]  like a USB-C bridge and CSI, you know, cables,
+[702.44 --> 703.18]  all that kind of stuff.
+[703.94 --> 706.82]  Now, Wendell's done a video about this on his channel on YouTube.
+[707.20 --> 707.86]  So if you're curious,
+[707.90 --> 709.80]  you can go and find out more about it over there.
+[710.72 --> 712.12]  I do wonder about the price.
+[712.14 --> 713.04]  And what do you think, Chris,
+[713.24 --> 715.06]  at that sort of $200 level?
+[715.06 --> 717.56]  Is that too much?
+[718.40 --> 720.10]  So it looks like right now on Kickstarter,
+[720.50 --> 723.90]  it's $145 and you'd get it by October 2021,
+[724.20 --> 725.72]  which seems pretty reasonable to me.
+[726.28 --> 731.42]  The price is, yeah, it feels high for a hat.
+[732.10 --> 734.72]  Now, I think the price is a little more reasonable
+[734.72 --> 736.16]  if you make the assumption
+[736.16 --> 738.54]  that just about everybody already has a Raspberry Pi 4
+[738.54 --> 740.80]  that would want to use something like this, right?
+[740.80 --> 743.40]  If you're going to use a Raspberry Pi-powered
+[743.40 --> 745.92]  keyboard video mouse switcher,
+[745.92 --> 748.80]  you probably already got a couple of Pis laying around.
+[749.26 --> 749.98]  So I don't think,
+[750.18 --> 751.50]  I think you just kind of null that out
+[751.50 --> 752.90]  because that's already a sunk cost.
+[753.00 --> 754.62]  And so it really is just the $145.
+[755.30 --> 758.34]  Now, you tell me, Alex, like how solid is this?
+[758.40 --> 760.60]  Is this, are you still using it?
+[760.66 --> 763.72]  Is it worth $145 now that you've used it for a bit?
+[764.84 --> 768.72]  I'm thinking I probably couldn't get a good KVM at that price.
+[769.18 --> 769.92]  I probably couldn't.
+[770.02 --> 772.50]  So I'd have to go with your word though,
+[772.50 --> 773.14]  if it's worth that.
+[773.44 --> 775.86]  Well, I'll tell you what I'm comparing it to in my mind, at least.
+[775.92 --> 779.40]  And that is a motherboard with IPMI built in.
+[779.78 --> 783.34]  So I'm actually going back to England in a couple of weeks
+[783.34 --> 786.44]  to go and introduce granddaughter to grandparents.
+[786.96 --> 788.32]  So hello, if you're listening.
+[789.12 --> 790.38]  And as part of that, I was thinking,
+[790.48 --> 791.82]  well, it would be nice to upgrade my,
+[791.98 --> 794.26]  you know, nearly 10 year old server in England
+[794.26 --> 795.78]  with a slightly more modern motherboard
+[795.78 --> 797.90]  and a slightly more modern IPMI implementation
+[797.90 --> 799.42]  that isn't based around Java.
+[799.42 --> 805.64]  And an eighth gen motherboard costs me around $150,
+[806.28 --> 808.72]  give or take, depending on the features that I want.
+[809.06 --> 811.56]  And I was looking at some ASRock rack stuff,
+[811.80 --> 814.96]  which thanks to, you know, the current chip shortage
+[814.96 --> 818.70]  seems to be in the $300, $250 to $300 range.
+[818.70 --> 821.40]  And so if I look at that and think,
+[821.52 --> 826.48]  I've got a built-in IPMI directly on the motherboard
+[826.48 --> 829.56]  that I know is going to be absolutely rock solid
+[829.56 --> 831.64]  versus an external device,
+[831.74 --> 834.68]  which in my experience has been good,
+[834.76 --> 836.38]  but it's still an external device.
+[836.50 --> 837.82]  And, you know, it's another power supply.
+[837.98 --> 840.44]  It's another operating system to keep updated,
+[840.68 --> 841.52]  et cetera, et cetera,
+[841.52 --> 844.18]  which in some respects could be a good thing.
+[844.18 --> 846.00]  In other respects could be a bad thing.
+[846.72 --> 848.68]  So the cost is kind of a wash, you know,
+[848.72 --> 850.56]  it's about the same to get a built-in
+[850.56 --> 852.36]  versus this external unit.
+[853.88 --> 855.46]  Probably just go for the built-in one,
+[855.60 --> 856.58]  to be honest with you.
+[857.36 --> 861.06]  Except for the fact that this Pi version
+[861.06 --> 862.98]  using the HDMI switch,
+[863.14 --> 865.54]  which is linked in the blog post in episode 48
+[865.54 --> 868.38]  that I talked about in that episode,
+[869.00 --> 870.78]  I've actually got three devices
+[870.78 --> 873.08]  hanging off this single Pi.
+[873.08 --> 875.10]  And that has actually worked really, really well.
+[875.30 --> 877.66]  So if you're able to spit that $150
+[877.66 --> 879.74]  between three devices,
+[880.18 --> 882.68]  suddenly that tips the scales quite a bit.
+[883.30 --> 883.50]  Hmm.
+[883.92 --> 885.38]  I also could see some value in there
+[885.38 --> 886.96]  if you needed to add it to devices
+[886.96 --> 888.86]  that IPMI wouldn't be an option.
+[889.30 --> 890.04]  Like, you know,
+[890.08 --> 892.44]  I'd love to have console-level access
+[892.44 --> 893.90]  to my studio machines right now
+[893.90 --> 894.68]  while I'm remote,
+[894.76 --> 895.50]  while I'm here in Denver.
+[895.92 --> 896.98]  For your other Raspberry Pis?
+[897.36 --> 898.20]  Yeah, that too.
+[898.40 --> 899.34]  It would be a great way
+[899.34 --> 901.22]  to get console access to my Raspberry Pis.
+[901.22 --> 902.00]  Oh, okay.
+[902.58 --> 903.02]  All right.
+[903.08 --> 904.66]  Now you're making me think
+[904.66 --> 906.08]  maybe I should back this.
+[907.60 --> 908.42]  Damn it, Alex.
+[908.74 --> 910.62]  Well, now I've actually been in Lady Dupes.
+[911.52 --> 913.42]  I've seen how you cool your
+[913.42 --> 914.72]  air quotes server cupboard.
+[916.74 --> 917.70]  It's pretty cool.
+[920.04 --> 921.50]  Hey man, I just got to get airflow.
+[921.70 --> 922.48]  That's all that matters.
+[922.58 --> 923.80]  I just got to get airflow.
+[924.42 --> 926.92]  How hot was it in the RV
+[926.92 --> 929.08]  whilst you were parked at System76 last week?
+[929.18 --> 930.40]  A hundred and seven?
+[930.72 --> 931.92]  Yeah, it was a hundred and seven.
+[932.04 --> 933.58]  I think the hottest we ever got in here,
+[933.62 --> 934.58]  though, was actually Nebraska.
+[934.78 --> 936.64]  I think it got near to 120 in here
+[936.64 --> 937.72]  while we were recording.
+[938.12 --> 939.40]  Which actually, it was impressive
+[939.40 --> 940.90]  because the server, quote,
+[941.10 --> 942.64]  room was the coolest place
+[942.64 --> 944.02]  in the whole RV at that time.
+[947.22 --> 949.50]  Leno.com slash SSH.
+[949.50 --> 952.28]  Go there to get $100 in 60-day credit
+[952.28 --> 952.90]  on a new account.
+[953.22 --> 954.60]  And you go there to support the show.
+[954.84 --> 955.96]  Hey guys, guess what?
+[956.04 --> 957.36]  This week's episode marks
+[957.36 --> 958.50]  our one-year anniversary
+[958.50 --> 959.94]  going independent again.
+[960.42 --> 960.70]  Yay!
+[961.12 --> 961.58]  How about that?
+[961.62 --> 962.38]  How awesome is that?
+[962.74 --> 964.02]  It's so cool
+[964.02 --> 965.90]  because Linode helped make that possible.
+[966.06 --> 967.84]  Amongst our member support
+[967.84 --> 968.58]  and those of you
+[968.58 --> 969.52]  who went over to
+[969.52 --> 971.16]  linode.com slash SSH.
+[971.16 --> 972.16]  We're here now,
+[972.34 --> 973.66]  rocking a year of independence.
+[974.00 --> 974.76]  And Linode,
+[974.96 --> 977.10]  they've been independent since 2003.
+[977.48 --> 980.12]  So they've really figured this out.
+[980.22 --> 982.34]  Like that's 18 years of focusing
+[982.34 --> 984.22]  on just being awesome
+[984.22 --> 985.56]  at cloud computing.
+[985.76 --> 987.48]  They started when it was new
+[987.48 --> 988.80]  and they have just evolved with it
+[988.80 --> 990.06]  and they have remained competitive
+[990.06 --> 991.12]  and sharp.
+[991.40 --> 992.96]  They have 11 global data centers
+[992.96 --> 994.60]  serving nearly a million customers
+[994.60 --> 996.22]  and businesses around the globe.
+[996.22 --> 997.00]  But really,
+[997.20 --> 998.98]  their mission remains unchanged
+[998.98 --> 1000.38]  since 18 years ago.
+[1000.86 --> 1002.36]  Make cloud computing simple,
+[1002.62 --> 1002.94]  affordable,
+[1003.10 --> 1004.04]  and accessible to all.
+[1004.36 --> 1005.74]  If you set up thousands of servers
+[1005.74 --> 1006.86]  or if you've never set up
+[1006.86 --> 1007.58]  a server before,
+[1008.00 --> 1009.06]  Linode can make that work.
+[1009.16 --> 1010.18]  I know it sounds like
+[1010.18 --> 1011.04]  an impossible task.
+[1011.48 --> 1012.78]  That's why I rave about them.
+[1012.82 --> 1014.00]  They've really done a great job.
+[1014.36 --> 1015.18]  We've been using
+[1015.18 --> 1016.80]  the absolute schmeck
+[1016.80 --> 1018.16]  out of their S3 compatible
+[1018.16 --> 1019.08]  object storage.
+[1019.52 --> 1021.20]  We created a Denver bucket
+[1021.20 --> 1023.26]  and we created a System76 bucket
+[1023.26 --> 1024.78]  and all of the media
+[1024.78 --> 1026.40]  across multiple cameras,
+[1026.56 --> 1027.46]  multiple recorders,
+[1027.54 --> 1028.46]  all gets uploaded
+[1028.46 --> 1029.64]  to those buckets.
+[1029.96 --> 1031.02]  And then our next cloud instance,
+[1031.12 --> 1031.72]  what we put on there,
+[1031.78 --> 1032.90]  also saves to their S3
+[1032.90 --> 1033.96]  compatible object storage.
+[1034.26 --> 1035.10]  And then my system's
+[1035.10 --> 1036.00]  back up there as well,
+[1036.46 --> 1037.90]  right here from the RV.
+[1038.24 --> 1039.04]  It's pretty awesome
+[1039.04 --> 1040.62]  and it's really just a great way
+[1040.62 --> 1041.34]  to use Linode
+[1041.34 --> 1042.34]  and not even have to have
+[1042.34 --> 1043.40]  a server running in front of it.
+[1043.82 --> 1045.56]  It's sort of like,
+[1045.94 --> 1046.82]  it feels like a power move.
+[1047.06 --> 1048.94]  They also have a great DNS manager.
+[1048.94 --> 1050.04]  They have Kubernetes
+[1050.04 --> 1051.24]  and Terraform support.
+[1051.36 --> 1052.46]  They have super fast networking
+[1052.46 --> 1054.44]  because they are their own ISP.
+[1054.78 --> 1057.02]  And their pricing is 30 to 50% cheaper
+[1057.02 --> 1058.42]  than other major cloud providers
+[1058.42 --> 1058.88]  out there.
+[1059.40 --> 1060.72]  You know, it's also a great way
+[1060.72 --> 1062.26]  to go with a multi-cloud strategy.
+[1062.42 --> 1063.62]  Perhaps you want something local
+[1063.62 --> 1065.86]  and you want something up in the cloud
+[1065.86 --> 1067.40]  or maybe you want something
+[1067.40 --> 1068.90]  across multiple cloud providers
+[1068.90 --> 1070.26]  and then network them
+[1070.26 --> 1071.54]  using something like Nebula.
+[1072.08 --> 1073.06]  Linode can be part
+[1073.06 --> 1074.16]  of that strategy as well.
+[1074.38 --> 1075.48]  They made our Jupiter Colony
+[1075.48 --> 1077.48]  reunion road trip possible as well.
+[1077.70 --> 1079.96]  Our meetups were powered by Linode
+[1079.96 --> 1081.52]  and it has been a hoot.
+[1081.98 --> 1082.76]  So go sign up today
+[1082.76 --> 1083.76]  and see what I've been talking about.
+[1083.76 --> 1085.06]  That $100 you're going to get,
+[1085.36 --> 1086.44]  you can really use that
+[1086.44 --> 1087.36]  to try the service out.
+[1087.44 --> 1088.40]  You can really get a feel
+[1088.40 --> 1089.38]  for what it's capable of.
+[1089.74 --> 1091.44]  That's $100 to really try something
+[1091.44 --> 1092.22]  or learn something.
+[1092.64 --> 1094.54]  Linode.com slash SSH.
+[1094.72 --> 1097.00]  That's Linode.com slash SSH.
+[1098.50 --> 1099.84]  Here's an email from Hans.
+[1100.28 --> 1100.88]  Hans says,
+[1101.00 --> 1101.64]  Hey guys,
+[1101.82 --> 1103.66]  you touched upon password managers
+[1103.66 --> 1105.30]  and Bitwarden in episode 51.
+[1105.50 --> 1106.02]  Like Brent,
+[1106.02 --> 1107.66]  I'm using KeePass XC.
+[1108.60 --> 1109.48]  Good choice.
+[1109.48 --> 1110.82]  What I like about it
+[1110.82 --> 1112.18]  is that it's easy to back up
+[1112.18 --> 1113.20]  because the whole database
+[1113.20 --> 1114.46]  is just a single file.
+[1115.02 --> 1115.86]  Currently sync it
+[1115.86 --> 1116.74]  between my devices
+[1116.74 --> 1118.60]  via self-hosted sync thing instance
+[1118.60 --> 1119.96]  running on an ARM board
+[1119.96 --> 1121.58]  in our laundry room.
+[1122.06 --> 1122.86]  Laundry room servers.
+[1123.00 --> 1123.36]  Very nice.
+[1124.04 --> 1124.76]  That being said,
+[1124.86 --> 1126.38]  this setup is a few years old
+[1126.38 --> 1127.92]  and if I would start from scratch
+[1127.92 --> 1129.68]  or if I had to share the password
+[1129.68 --> 1130.42]  with other people,
+[1130.58 --> 1132.16]  I'd definitely give Bitwarden a look.
+[1132.72 --> 1133.74]  One thing I wonder though,
+[1133.84 --> 1135.32]  when you host your passwords
+[1135.32 --> 1136.98]  in a more complex application
+[1136.98 --> 1137.74]  like Bitwarden,
+[1138.04 --> 1139.82]  are you taking any extra measures
+[1139.82 --> 1141.16]  to secure your servers?
+[1141.80 --> 1142.82]  I suppose it's reasonable
+[1142.82 --> 1144.42]  to trust the security
+[1144.42 --> 1146.60]  of Bitwarden itself,
+[1146.78 --> 1147.54]  but if an attacker
+[1147.54 --> 1148.94]  would gain access to your server,
+[1149.10 --> 1150.32]  would it be easier for them
+[1150.32 --> 1151.04]  to do harm
+[1151.04 --> 1152.58]  as compared to what you would
+[1152.58 --> 1154.12]  just host an encrypted
+[1154.12 --> 1155.78]  KeePass database file to?
+[1156.40 --> 1157.76]  Thanks and keep on going.
+[1157.96 --> 1158.14]  Hans.
+[1158.54 --> 1159.34]  Well, I think it depends
+[1159.34 --> 1161.38]  on how open your server is.
+[1161.50 --> 1162.74]  If it's connected to the internet,
+[1162.90 --> 1163.46]  you've got to assume
+[1163.46 --> 1164.16]  at some point,
+[1164.64 --> 1164.90]  you know,
+[1165.02 --> 1166.54]  it's possible it might get
+[1166.54 --> 1167.36]  compromised.
+[1168.52 --> 1170.40]  But it speaks to a larger
+[1170.40 --> 1172.60]  philosophy that I tend
+[1172.60 --> 1173.42]  to subscribe to
+[1173.42 --> 1174.24]  with this kind of stuff
+[1174.24 --> 1176.00]  of don't be the tallest nail.
+[1176.42 --> 1176.56]  You know,
+[1176.74 --> 1178.54]  take some basic precautions.
+[1178.74 --> 1180.10]  Have things like fail to ban
+[1180.10 --> 1182.50]  installed on your SSH logins.
+[1183.04 --> 1184.26]  Open as few ports
+[1184.26 --> 1184.86]  in your firewall
+[1184.86 --> 1185.92]  as you possibly can.
+[1186.38 --> 1187.84]  Use something like WireGuard
+[1187.84 --> 1188.60]  or TailScale
+[1188.60 --> 1189.48]  or something like that
+[1189.48 --> 1190.30]  to actually connect
+[1190.30 --> 1191.40]  to the service in question
+[1191.40 --> 1192.98]  so that all the data
+[1192.98 --> 1194.28]  that travels between
+[1194.28 --> 1195.28]  everything is encrypted.
+[1195.28 --> 1196.72]  You know,
+[1196.76 --> 1198.20]  and use things like SSH keys
+[1198.20 --> 1199.10]  instead of passwords.
+[1199.40 --> 1200.54]  Just those things alone
+[1200.54 --> 1201.08]  are going to make you
+[1201.08 --> 1202.26]  more secure than the average
+[1202.26 --> 1203.30]  server administrator.
+[1203.92 --> 1205.00]  Vault Warden is the new
+[1205.00 --> 1205.92]  hotness these days.
+[1206.04 --> 1207.70]  Bitwarden RS is the old name.
+[1208.10 --> 1209.58]  And I do agree with everything
+[1209.58 --> 1210.56]  you just said, Alex.
+[1211.12 --> 1212.32]  Don't be the tallest nail.
+[1212.42 --> 1213.00]  But also,
+[1213.28 --> 1214.44]  consider the security
+[1214.44 --> 1215.22]  of the box
+[1215.22 --> 1215.80]  if possible.
+[1215.90 --> 1216.94]  Limited internet access.
+[1217.42 --> 1217.86]  And also,
+[1218.08 --> 1218.82]  keep in mind,
+[1219.38 --> 1220.76]  Bitwarden is using
+[1220.76 --> 1222.22]  local encryption.
+[1222.22 --> 1223.68]  So it encrypts
+[1223.68 --> 1224.54]  and hashes your data
+[1224.54 --> 1225.82]  on your local device
+[1225.82 --> 1227.06]  before it sends it
+[1227.06 --> 1227.92]  to the cloud server,
+[1228.06 --> 1229.46]  even if it's their service
+[1229.46 --> 1231.22]  or your self-hosted service.
+[1231.54 --> 1232.42]  So that gives you
+[1232.42 --> 1233.60]  some peace of mind
+[1233.60 --> 1234.30]  knowing that the data
+[1234.30 --> 1235.18]  that's at rest
+[1235.18 --> 1235.66]  on the server
+[1235.66 --> 1236.28]  is encrypted.
+[1236.84 --> 1237.14]  Now, Alex,
+[1237.18 --> 1237.68]  you mentioned
+[1237.68 --> 1239.10]  being a shorter nail.
+[1239.98 --> 1241.60]  Have either of you
+[1241.60 --> 1242.84]  in all of your years
+[1242.84 --> 1243.86]  encountered situations
+[1243.86 --> 1244.96]  when you were
+[1244.96 --> 1245.82]  one of the taller nails
+[1245.82 --> 1246.84]  and ran into issues?
+[1247.62 --> 1247.86]  You mean,
+[1247.90 --> 1248.80]  like had a server compromised?
+[1249.06 --> 1249.44]  Basically,
+[1249.52 --> 1250.14]  that's what I'm asking.
+[1250.14 --> 1250.58]  Yeah,
+[1250.70 --> 1251.70]  it's never very exciting.
+[1252.28 --> 1253.44]  It's usually like
+[1253.44 --> 1254.12]  a server gets turned
+[1254.12 --> 1255.50]  into an FTP box
+[1255.50 --> 1257.44]  or somebody gets a process
+[1257.44 --> 1258.20]  on your machine.
+[1258.30 --> 1258.40]  I mean,
+[1258.42 --> 1259.18]  I think I've had
+[1259.18 --> 1260.32]  maybe a client or two
+[1260.32 --> 1261.30]  that that's happened to.
+[1262.16 --> 1263.38]  It's never anything
+[1263.38 --> 1264.48]  more exciting
+[1264.48 --> 1265.06]  than somebody trying
+[1265.06 --> 1265.84]  to mine crypto
+[1265.84 --> 1266.80]  or something these days.
+[1267.86 --> 1268.98]  Can I admit something
+[1268.98 --> 1269.62]  to you both?
+[1269.92 --> 1270.38]  Oh, yeah.
+[1270.62 --> 1271.64]  I used to run
+[1271.64 --> 1273.32]  remote desktop
+[1273.32 --> 1274.38]  open to the internet
+[1274.38 --> 1275.36]  with the password
+[1275.36 --> 1276.16]  22.
+[1277.76 --> 1279.08]  You maniac.
+[1279.08 --> 1280.88]  for like three years.
+[1281.02 --> 1282.18]  And how'd that go, Alex?
+[1283.42 --> 1283.82]  Well,
+[1284.10 --> 1285.40]  it didn't end well,
+[1285.82 --> 1286.06]  Brent.
+[1286.32 --> 1287.54]  It didn't end well at all.
+[1287.80 --> 1288.18]  No.
+[1289.76 --> 1290.52]  What happened?
+[1290.72 --> 1291.08]  Tell us.
+[1292.08 --> 1293.42]  They decided
+[1293.42 --> 1294.96]  to wipe my hard drives.
+[1295.46 --> 1296.12]  Oh, no.
+[1297.06 --> 1297.94]  Oh, that sucks.
+[1298.06 --> 1298.58]  That sucks.
+[1298.68 --> 1299.36]  I suppose maybe
+[1299.36 --> 1300.00]  that's better than
+[1300.00 --> 1301.20]  using it for something nefarious
+[1301.20 --> 1301.92]  or maybe they did
+[1301.92 --> 1302.64]  and then they wiped it
+[1302.64 --> 1303.44]  so there's no track.
+[1303.52 --> 1304.14]  So maybe they did
+[1304.14 --> 1305.08]  do something nefarious.
+[1305.26 --> 1306.08]  I have no idea.
+[1306.08 --> 1306.50]  I mean,
+[1306.52 --> 1307.04]  if your password
+[1307.04 --> 1307.56]  is 22,
+[1307.80 --> 1310.22]  maybe old Alex
+[1310.22 --> 1311.14]  didn't know how to check.
+[1313.06 --> 1313.42]  Yeah.
+[1313.52 --> 1313.72]  I mean,
+[1313.74 --> 1314.36]  back in the day,
+[1314.50 --> 1316.54]  that was something
+[1316.54 --> 1317.90]  you just didn't really think of
+[1317.90 --> 1318.74]  way back in the day.
+[1318.82 --> 1319.32]  Things were just
+[1319.32 --> 1319.92]  on the internet.
+[1320.10 --> 1322.14]  When I first got exposure
+[1322.14 --> 1324.12]  to TCP IP networking,
+[1324.68 --> 1325.82]  everything had a public
+[1325.82 --> 1326.56]  internet address
+[1326.56 --> 1327.32]  on the network.
+[1327.72 --> 1328.84]  And it wasn't until
+[1328.84 --> 1330.18]  sometime later
+[1330.18 --> 1331.36]  that we had firewalls
+[1331.36 --> 1332.12]  and NATs.
+[1332.20 --> 1333.04]  And so for a short period
+[1333.04 --> 1333.30]  of time,
+[1333.34 --> 1333.90]  you could basically
+[1333.90 --> 1334.80]  connect to everything.
+[1336.30 --> 1337.58]  There was some crazy stuff
+[1337.58 --> 1338.32]  we did back then.
+[1338.88 --> 1339.58]  I didn't want to put you guys
+[1339.58 --> 1339.98]  on the spot,
+[1340.08 --> 1341.00]  but I would be curious
+[1341.00 --> 1343.14]  about how to go about
+[1343.14 --> 1344.30]  detecting some of this stuff,
+[1344.54 --> 1344.76]  you know,
+[1344.78 --> 1345.62]  even from a most
+[1345.62 --> 1347.00]  very basic level.
+[1347.68 --> 1348.00]  Hmm.
+[1348.18 --> 1348.42]  Well,
+[1348.48 --> 1348.82]  I mean,
+[1348.82 --> 1349.24]  I'm sure Alex,
+[1349.26 --> 1350.10]  you probably have a few ideas.
+[1350.26 --> 1351.18]  My first couple
+[1351.18 --> 1351.78]  that come to mind
+[1351.78 --> 1353.40]  would be know what processes
+[1353.40 --> 1353.94]  should be writing
+[1353.94 --> 1354.58]  on your box,
+[1354.72 --> 1355.60]  check your logs.
+[1355.96 --> 1356.46]  I mean,
+[1356.48 --> 1358.16]  almost every single time
+[1358.16 --> 1359.70]  that a client machine
+[1359.70 --> 1360.10]  or something
+[1360.10 --> 1361.56]  was behaving poorly,
+[1362.24 --> 1363.18]  I could almost immediately
+[1363.18 --> 1364.14]  just suss it out
+[1364.14 --> 1364.84]  by running top.
+[1365.10 --> 1365.54]  I mean,
+[1365.58 --> 1365.90]  really,
+[1366.18 --> 1366.40]  because,
+[1366.54 --> 1366.64]  you know,
+[1366.70 --> 1367.52]  you know what that machine
+[1367.52 --> 1368.40]  is supposed to be doing.
+[1368.60 --> 1369.58]  And if there's some process
+[1369.58 --> 1370.50]  going crazy on there
+[1370.50 --> 1371.34]  that has nothing to do
+[1371.34 --> 1372.28]  with the responsibilities
+[1372.28 --> 1373.18]  of that box,
+[1373.28 --> 1374.38]  you got a pretty good idea
+[1374.38 --> 1374.98]  of what it is.
+[1375.66 --> 1376.56]  And then you look
+[1376.56 --> 1377.18]  at your logs,
+[1377.26 --> 1377.42]  right?
+[1377.42 --> 1378.96]  You look at the active users
+[1378.96 --> 1380.42]  that are logged onto the system
+[1380.42 --> 1381.96]  and you kind of start
+[1381.96 --> 1382.62]  tracing it back.
+[1382.70 --> 1383.22]  Usually you'll look
+[1383.22 --> 1383.80]  at the process
+[1383.80 --> 1384.32]  and there'll be like
+[1384.32 --> 1386.08]  some weird path
+[1386.08 --> 1386.64]  or URL
+[1386.64 --> 1387.86]  for a process
+[1387.86 --> 1388.72]  that looks normal,
+[1388.82 --> 1389.92]  but it's in the wrong place
+[1389.92 --> 1390.68]  or it's being run
+[1390.68 --> 1391.56]  by the wrong user
+[1391.56 --> 1392.92]  and you kind of track
+[1392.92 --> 1393.54]  it back from there.
+[1394.40 --> 1395.44]  Depends where
+[1395.44 --> 1396.98]  your expertise lies.
+[1397.48 --> 1399.12]  If you're a networking guy,
+[1399.38 --> 1400.24]  you could use something
+[1400.24 --> 1401.32]  like Snort,
+[1401.84 --> 1402.64]  which is essentially
+[1402.64 --> 1404.52]  a packet filter
+[1404.52 --> 1405.78]  and it looks for certain
+[1405.78 --> 1406.80]  patterns of packets.
+[1406.96 --> 1407.12]  Yeah,
+[1407.16 --> 1408.50]  or bandwidth charts as well.
+[1408.58 --> 1408.72]  You know,
+[1408.74 --> 1409.34]  that sometimes
+[1409.34 --> 1410.32]  will be an indication
+[1410.32 --> 1410.98]  something's up
+[1410.98 --> 1411.40]  as you'll see
+[1411.40 --> 1412.22]  your bandwidth usage
+[1412.22 --> 1412.86]  spikes up.
+[1414.14 --> 1415.14]  And would you guys say
+[1415.14 --> 1416.02]  that containerizing
+[1416.02 --> 1417.24]  some of your services
+[1417.24 --> 1418.14]  is a way to
+[1418.14 --> 1419.06]  help this situation?
+[1419.06 --> 1421.56]  No.
+[1421.94 --> 1422.30]  No.
+[1424.72 --> 1425.08]  No,
+[1425.18 --> 1425.38]  I mean,
+[1425.40 --> 1425.62]  really,
+[1425.68 --> 1425.96]  in a way,
+[1426.02 --> 1426.70]  it makes it worse.
+[1426.84 --> 1427.56]  I think it makes it worse
+[1427.56 --> 1428.74]  because there's more processes
+[1428.74 --> 1429.80]  and more things going on
+[1429.80 --> 1430.96]  on a box in some cases.
+[1431.48 --> 1432.18]  But you do have
+[1432.18 --> 1432.76]  better security
+[1432.76 --> 1433.58]  in terms of networking
+[1433.58 --> 1434.22]  control
+[1434.22 --> 1435.70]  and process isolation
+[1435.70 --> 1436.84]  and the ability
+[1436.84 --> 1437.68]  to just destroy
+[1437.68 --> 1438.20]  a container
+[1438.20 --> 1439.00]  and recreate it
+[1439.00 --> 1439.46]  if something did
+[1439.46 --> 1439.88]  go sideways.
+[1440.02 --> 1440.36]  So it's,
+[1440.68 --> 1440.96]  I mean,
+[1440.96 --> 1441.40]  it's a mix.
+[1441.48 --> 1442.28]  I think it's good and bad.
+[1442.40 --> 1442.74]  But I'm sure,
+[1442.82 --> 1442.96]  Alex,
+[1443.00 --> 1443.58]  you must have thoughts.
+[1443.66 --> 1444.24]  You must have thoughts.
+[1444.58 --> 1444.70]  Well,
+[1444.88 --> 1445.52]  containers good,
+[1445.60 --> 1446.40]  everything else bad,
+[1446.52 --> 1446.76]  right?
+[1446.76 --> 1447.52]  That's my viewpoint.
+[1447.52 --> 1451.56]  But I think containers
+[1451.56 --> 1452.66]  are better in this situation
+[1452.66 --> 1453.40]  because let's say
+[1453.40 --> 1454.82]  you've got an NGINX web server
+[1454.82 --> 1456.44]  listening with your
+[1456.44 --> 1458.46]  vault warden behind it
+[1458.46 --> 1459.88]  or whatever the web server is
+[1459.88 --> 1461.18]  that's exposing your passwords
+[1461.18 --> 1462.38]  to you.
+[1462.90 --> 1464.46]  If somebody was to compromise
+[1464.46 --> 1466.46]  something in that code
+[1466.46 --> 1468.04]  and do a buffer overflow
+[1468.04 --> 1468.76]  or do something
+[1468.76 --> 1469.76]  that meant they could get
+[1469.76 --> 1470.56]  something out of memory
+[1470.56 --> 1471.30]  that they shouldn't
+[1471.30 --> 1473.58]  and extrapolate some data
+[1473.58 --> 1474.94]  that they shouldn't get,
+[1474.94 --> 1476.98]  the blast radius of that
+[1476.98 --> 1477.80]  is going to be limited
+[1477.80 --> 1478.76]  to the scope
+[1478.76 --> 1480.32]  that that container
+[1480.32 --> 1481.48]  has access to.
+[1482.22 --> 1483.72]  And so running things
+[1483.72 --> 1484.22]  in a container
+[1484.22 --> 1485.20]  is more secure
+[1485.20 --> 1486.74]  simply by virtue
+[1486.74 --> 1487.26]  of the fact
+[1487.26 --> 1488.46]  that you are scoping
+[1488.46 --> 1489.48]  what that container
+[1489.48 --> 1490.44]  has access to
+[1490.44 --> 1491.60]  on the host system.
+[1492.36 --> 1492.38]  Yeah,
+[1492.46 --> 1492.68]  I mean,
+[1492.68 --> 1493.32]  it will have access
+[1493.32 --> 1494.24]  to any of the data
+[1494.24 --> 1495.02]  that the container
+[1495.02 --> 1495.78]  has access to
+[1495.78 --> 1496.92]  which is likely
+[1496.92 --> 1497.64]  important data
+[1497.64 --> 1498.72]  but it's contained
+[1498.72 --> 1499.84]  to that region.
+[1500.06 --> 1500.94]  That's inherently more safe
+[1500.94 --> 1501.84]  than say running Apache
+[1501.84 --> 1502.92]  or NGINX on a box
+[1502.92 --> 1504.02]  and you pop Apache
+[1504.02 --> 1505.20]  and now you've got
+[1505.20 --> 1506.08]  access to anything
+[1506.08 --> 1506.98]  on that host
+[1506.98 --> 1508.12]  that Apache had access to
+[1508.12 --> 1509.18]  which if you're lucky
+[1509.18 --> 1509.80]  is not much
+[1509.80 --> 1511.22]  but sometimes
+[1511.22 --> 1511.74]  is way more
+[1511.74 --> 1512.30]  than it should be.
+[1512.74 --> 1513.56]  So yeah,
+[1514.40 --> 1516.24]  it's going to be different
+[1516.24 --> 1517.04]  every time too.
+[1517.30 --> 1519.08]  There's not a one-size-fits-all solution.
+[1519.24 --> 1520.50]  It's trying to make sure
+[1520.50 --> 1521.18]  you're secure
+[1521.18 --> 1522.24]  and monitoring
+[1522.24 --> 1523.74]  in multiple locations.
+[1524.96 --> 1526.30]  We got a lot of email
+[1526.30 --> 1527.98]  about people's Wi-Fi systems.
+[1528.10 --> 1528.72]  We got some people
+[1528.72 --> 1529.80]  who love mesh setups,
+[1530.26 --> 1531.24]  some people who hate
+[1531.24 --> 1532.16]  mesh setups
+[1532.16 --> 1533.62]  but we got one email
+[1533.62 --> 1534.56]  in about a
+[1534.56 --> 1536.54]  free mesh wireless solution.
+[1536.78 --> 1537.16]  It's at
+[1537.16 --> 1538.74]  freemeshwireless.com.
+[1539.14 --> 1540.12]  It's an open source package
+[1540.12 --> 1541.18]  that you load
+[1541.18 --> 1541.80]  onto hardware
+[1541.80 --> 1543.54]  and then we got some people
+[1543.54 --> 1544.34]  that said don't do it.
+[1544.44 --> 1546.22]  Just deploy multiple APs.
+[1546.36 --> 1547.34]  So I'm still collecting
+[1547.34 --> 1548.20]  information
+[1548.20 --> 1549.00]  and taking it all in
+[1549.00 --> 1550.02]  and I got a few devices
+[1550.02 --> 1550.90]  to research too
+[1550.90 --> 1552.10]  so I wanted to say
+[1552.10 --> 1552.76]  thank you to everybody
+[1552.76 --> 1553.80]  who sent in suggestions
+[1553.80 --> 1555.12]  for different Wi-Fi setups.
+[1555.66 --> 1555.96]  Wow,
+[1556.54 --> 1557.50]  there's a lot out there
+[1557.50 --> 1558.40]  including some of you
+[1558.40 --> 1558.72]  who said,
+[1558.78 --> 1559.08]  you know what,
+[1559.10 --> 1560.02]  just stick with Unify.
+[1560.20 --> 1560.64]  It's fine.
+[1560.96 --> 1561.40]  It's fine.
+[1561.40 --> 1562.34]  Well, okay,
+[1562.34 --> 1562.84]  just one guy.
+[1564.52 --> 1565.46]  And several folks,
+[1565.58 --> 1565.78]  Brent,
+[1565.86 --> 1566.76]  were happy with your
+[1566.76 --> 1567.82]  recommendation of checking
+[1567.82 --> 1568.72]  out Microtik.
+[1568.98 --> 1569.90]  It's almost like I know
+[1569.90 --> 1570.30]  something.
+[1572.92 --> 1574.14]  At the meetup in Denver,
+[1574.32 --> 1575.54]  several of you let me know
+[1575.54 --> 1577.64]  that you are massive fans
+[1577.64 --> 1579.02]  of cloudfree.shop
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+[1589.54 --> 1590.50]  those of you in the UK
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+[1607.04 --> 1607.70]  or a pound
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+[1619.80 --> 1621.28]  We had a lot of emails
+[1621.28 --> 1623.36]  in regards to de-googling
+[1623.36 --> 1625.02]  and it really ran
+[1625.02 --> 1625.96]  the whole spectrum.
+[1626.12 --> 1626.52]  We're going to try
+[1626.52 --> 1628.38]  to get to some of them,
+[1628.88 --> 1629.76]  but legitimately,
+[1630.04 --> 1630.16]  Brett,
+[1630.20 --> 1630.84]  you saw the list.
+[1630.92 --> 1631.56]  There's just no way
+[1631.56 --> 1632.00]  we could read
+[1632.00 --> 1632.64]  all those emails.
+[1633.06 --> 1633.24]  Yeah,
+[1633.30 --> 1633.86]  you gave me
+[1633.86 --> 1634.82]  a little sneak peek
+[1634.82 --> 1635.72]  at just the number
+[1635.72 --> 1637.06]  of the sheer number of emails.
+[1637.08 --> 1637.50]  I just scrolled
+[1637.50 --> 1638.16]  through the list.
+[1638.44 --> 1638.46]  Oh,
+[1638.58 --> 1639.38]  we did our best,
+[1639.64 --> 1640.06]  but we've...
+[1640.06 --> 1640.88]  It's a lot of email.
+[1641.36 --> 1641.62]  Yeah,
+[1642.36 --> 1643.10]  but Dustin was one
+[1643.10 --> 1644.40]  of the first to write in
+[1644.40 --> 1645.40]  and Dustin was at
+[1645.40 --> 1646.00]  the Boise meetup
+[1646.00 --> 1646.36]  with us,
+[1646.44 --> 1646.60]  Brent.
+[1647.16 --> 1647.56]  He says,
+[1647.62 --> 1648.60]  on today's self-hosted,
+[1648.62 --> 1649.16]  you guys talked
+[1649.16 --> 1649.98]  about de-googling.
+[1650.44 --> 1651.38]  This is my journey
+[1651.38 --> 1651.94]  and it has been
+[1651.94 --> 1652.70]  for two years
+[1652.70 --> 1653.12]  and I'd say I'm
+[1653.12 --> 1654.24]  about 90%
+[1654.24 --> 1655.44]  of the way there.
+[1655.92 --> 1656.48]  Dustin goes on
+[1656.48 --> 1656.64]  to say,
+[1656.72 --> 1657.28]  this includes
+[1657.28 --> 1658.18]  replacing G Suite
+[1658.18 --> 1658.94]  for my podcast
+[1658.94 --> 1659.86]  and I've also gone
+[1659.86 --> 1660.46]  with the model
+[1660.46 --> 1661.52]  of self-hosting
+[1661.52 --> 1662.24]  when it makes sense.
+[1662.68 --> 1663.50]  So here's what he's done.
+[1663.60 --> 1664.00]  For mail,
+[1664.12 --> 1664.48]  contacts,
+[1664.56 --> 1665.14]  and calendar,
+[1665.56 --> 1666.06]  he switched
+[1666.06 --> 1666.78]  from G Suite
+[1666.78 --> 1667.68]  to Fastmail.
+[1668.08 --> 1669.48]  For notes and docs,
+[1669.54 --> 1670.70]  he's using Joplin,
+[1671.30 --> 1672.12]  using Nextcloud
+[1672.12 --> 1672.70]  to sync it,
+[1673.10 --> 1674.30]  for photo sync,
+[1674.36 --> 1675.26]  he's using Nextcloud.
+[1675.62 --> 1676.28]  For his phone,
+[1676.36 --> 1676.78]  he's gone with
+[1676.78 --> 1677.96]  the iPhone SE 2020,
+[1678.26 --> 1678.80]  so he's not dealing
+[1678.80 --> 1679.44]  with Google there.
+[1679.90 --> 1680.44]  For DNS,
+[1680.72 --> 1681.78]  he's using NextDNS.
+[1681.86 --> 1682.50]  We got another vote
+[1682.50 --> 1683.56]  for NextDNS as well.
+[1684.10 --> 1684.98]  For maps,
+[1685.34 --> 1686.32]  he's using a combination
+[1686.32 --> 1687.36]  of Apple Maps
+[1687.36 --> 1689.02]  and the OpenStreetMaps
+[1689.02 --> 1690.46]  app on the App Store.
+[1690.98 --> 1691.82]  And for the browser,
+[1691.98 --> 1692.50]  he's sticking with
+[1692.50 --> 1693.56]  Firefox and Safari.
+[1694.28 --> 1695.30]  And for his Chromebook,
+[1695.40 --> 1695.52]  well,
+[1695.54 --> 1696.32]  he's replaced that
+[1696.32 --> 1698.04]  with the ThinkPad X260
+[1698.04 --> 1698.62]  with Arch
+[1698.62 --> 1699.88]  and now Fedora on there.
+[1700.10 --> 1700.96]  He's still working
+[1700.96 --> 1701.74]  on the home assistance.
+[1701.74 --> 1702.54]  He's going to maybe
+[1702.54 --> 1703.60]  consider the HomePods
+[1703.60 --> 1705.26]  and look at Mycroft.
+[1705.58 --> 1705.92]  He says,
+[1706.00 --> 1706.56]  Google Photos
+[1706.56 --> 1707.20]  has been working great
+[1707.20 --> 1708.04]  for my wife,
+[1708.30 --> 1709.70]  but I'm not using it.
+[1710.12 --> 1711.04]  And he's using
+[1711.04 --> 1711.68]  FreeTube
+[1711.68 --> 1713.50]  to bypass YouTube,
+[1713.50 --> 1714.36]  but it has been
+[1714.36 --> 1715.10]  a bit of a challenge,
+[1715.18 --> 1715.58]  I suspect.
+[1716.28 --> 1717.40]  Some good tips there,
+[1717.48 --> 1719.04]  although Fastmail
+[1719.04 --> 1720.76]  isn't self-hosting.
+[1720.84 --> 1721.34]  It is,
+[1721.54 --> 1721.80]  you know,
+[1721.80 --> 1722.88]  having somebody else host it.
+[1722.90 --> 1723.28]  But if you're going
+[1723.28 --> 1724.08]  to have somebody host something,
+[1724.20 --> 1725.54]  email's a good one to do.
+[1726.22 --> 1727.32]  Don't really do.
+[1727.66 --> 1728.22]  Don't do.
+[1728.50 --> 1729.38]  Don't do email.
+[1730.48 --> 1731.10]  What I noticed
+[1731.10 --> 1731.78]  from that feedback
+[1731.78 --> 1732.82]  is that it took him,
+[1733.44 --> 1733.66]  well,
+[1733.98 --> 1735.06]  he's on a two-year journey.
+[1735.50 --> 1735.98]  And so,
+[1736.24 --> 1736.52]  gentlemen,
+[1736.86 --> 1738.42]  what does that tell you
+[1738.42 --> 1739.62]  about what you've just got on?
+[1739.86 --> 1741.50]  That Alex has really,
+[1741.60 --> 1742.34]  really gotten us
+[1742.34 --> 1742.82]  into something.
+[1742.94 --> 1743.58]  What have I done?
+[1744.08 --> 1745.42]  I've opened Pandora's box
+[1745.42 --> 1745.66]  here,
+[1745.74 --> 1746.02]  aren't I?
+[1747.32 --> 1747.76]  Oh,
+[1747.76 --> 1748.36]  man.
+[1749.48 --> 1750.06]  All right.
+[1750.16 --> 1750.36]  So,
+[1750.46 --> 1751.18]  Carson and others
+[1751.18 --> 1752.52]  wrote in about maps.
+[1752.68 --> 1753.24]  Carson says
+[1753.24 --> 1754.52]  he settled on HereMaps
+[1754.52 --> 1755.34]  as a replacement,
+[1755.54 --> 1756.80]  wego.here.com.
+[1756.80 --> 1758.22]  A lot of people wrote in
+[1758.22 --> 1759.16]  about open street maps.
+[1759.32 --> 1759.42]  Brent,
+[1759.48 --> 1760.40]  that's what you use?
+[1760.76 --> 1760.94]  Yeah,
+[1761.02 --> 1762.50]  that's what I have been using
+[1762.50 --> 1763.58]  until all these suggestions
+[1763.58 --> 1764.18]  came in.
+[1764.40 --> 1765.16]  And I,
+[1765.78 --> 1766.10]  well,
+[1766.76 --> 1767.76]  maybe I'll keep that
+[1767.76 --> 1768.52]  until we talk about
+[1768.52 --> 1769.60]  the maps a little bit more.
+[1769.78 --> 1769.90]  Well,
+[1769.92 --> 1770.56]  I want to talk about it
+[1770.56 --> 1771.22]  right now because
+[1771.22 --> 1772.52]  that's the route
+[1772.52 --> 1773.34]  I decided to go
+[1773.34 --> 1774.00]  during a
+[1774.00 --> 1775.50]  freaking road trip.
+[1775.76 --> 1776.96]  And I even really
+[1776.96 --> 1778.12]  briefly tried Waze,
+[1778.20 --> 1778.62]  even though I know
+[1778.62 --> 1779.18]  it's owned by Google,
+[1779.22 --> 1779.76]  I just wanted to
+[1779.76 --> 1780.66]  just do a comparison.
+[1781.04 --> 1781.92]  And Waze actually
+[1781.92 --> 1782.98]  screwed us up the worst
+[1782.98 --> 1783.88]  out of all of them
+[1783.88 --> 1785.12]  during the middle
+[1785.12 --> 1786.26]  of Denver rush hour.
+[1786.26 --> 1787.00]  It had me get off
+[1787.00 --> 1787.46]  the highway
+[1787.46 --> 1788.76]  to bypass the traffic.
+[1789.18 --> 1789.88]  And then I got off
+[1789.88 --> 1790.18]  the highway
+[1790.18 --> 1790.74]  and I was stuck
+[1790.74 --> 1791.38]  in more traffic.
+[1791.54 --> 1792.00]  And then it did
+[1792.00 --> 1792.70]  a quick update
+[1792.70 --> 1793.04]  and it said,
+[1793.20 --> 1793.76]  get on the highway.
+[1794.28 --> 1794.36]  Yeah,
+[1794.42 --> 1795.18]  it felt to me
+[1795.18 --> 1796.28]  like an attempt
+[1796.28 --> 1797.58]  at a Dukes of Hazzard
+[1797.58 --> 1799.04]  style walk around
+[1799.04 --> 1799.70]  the traffic,
+[1800.04 --> 1801.26]  but it didn't work
+[1801.26 --> 1802.04]  out too well for us.
+[1802.88 --> 1803.28]  Oh,
+[1803.52 --> 1803.88]  goodness.
+[1804.30 --> 1804.80]  So I know
+[1804.80 --> 1805.24]  a lot of you
+[1805.24 --> 1806.02]  wrote in with
+[1806.02 --> 1807.26]  the apps that you love
+[1807.26 --> 1808.22]  and I tried them
+[1808.22 --> 1809.64]  and boy,
+[1809.70 --> 1810.30]  do they stink.
+[1810.44 --> 1811.08]  Magic Earth
+[1811.08 --> 1812.16]  was one that I liked
+[1812.16 --> 1813.82]  and that uses
+[1813.82 --> 1814.64]  open street maps
+[1814.64 --> 1816.04]  with a proprietary GUI
+[1816.04 --> 1816.70]  on top,
+[1816.88 --> 1817.68]  Magic Earth,
+[1818.02 --> 1818.40]  have a link
+[1818.40 --> 1819.22]  in the show notes.
+[1820.12 --> 1822.28]  But they all have
+[1822.28 --> 1823.52]  one critical flaw.
+[1823.70 --> 1824.44]  Even Apple Maps
+[1824.44 --> 1825.44]  has this critical flaw
+[1825.44 --> 1826.62]  and it's search.
+[1827.88 --> 1828.68]  For example,
+[1828.78 --> 1829.80]  I'm here in Colorado Springs
+[1829.80 --> 1830.82]  and I searched
+[1830.82 --> 1831.66]  for Pikes Peak,
+[1831.78 --> 1833.52]  which is a very popular
+[1833.52 --> 1834.38]  tourist destination.
+[1835.56 --> 1836.82]  Apple Maps sent me
+[1836.82 --> 1838.36]  in the wrong direction.
+[1838.46 --> 1838.80]  They sent me
+[1838.80 --> 1839.80]  to some like business
+[1839.80 --> 1840.42]  that was named
+[1840.42 --> 1841.08]  Pikes Peak
+[1841.08 --> 1841.84]  that was like
+[1841.84 --> 1842.90]  10 miles
+[1842.90 --> 1843.66]  in the wrong direction,
+[1843.96 --> 1845.42]  literally the opposite direction.
+[1846.86 --> 1848.20]  The Magic Earth
+[1848.20 --> 1849.40]  using open street maps
+[1849.40 --> 1850.50]  wanted to send me
+[1850.50 --> 1851.22]  to a location
+[1851.22 --> 1852.78]  5,200 miles away
+[1852.78 --> 1853.88]  from my current location.
+[1854.44 --> 1855.64]  I was 25,
+[1855.84 --> 1856.50]  30 minutes away
+[1856.50 --> 1857.08]  when I started
+[1857.08 --> 1857.90]  from Pikes Peak
+[1857.90 --> 1858.78]  and after I was done
+[1858.78 --> 1859.22]  trying to use
+[1859.22 --> 1860.02]  these other nav apps,
+[1860.14 --> 1861.42]  I ended up an hour away
+[1861.42 --> 1863.24]  and I was really bad.
+[1864.00 --> 1864.44]  Eventually,
+[1864.56 --> 1865.00]  what happened
+[1865.00 --> 1866.00]  is my wife
+[1866.00 --> 1866.56]  looked it up
+[1866.56 --> 1867.20]  on her phone
+[1867.20 --> 1867.98]  on Google Maps
+[1867.98 --> 1870.08]  and got an address
+[1870.08 --> 1871.44]  and then telegrammed it to me
+[1871.44 --> 1872.22]  and then I put that
+[1872.22 --> 1873.28]  into Apple Maps
+[1873.28 --> 1875.48]  and manually did it that way.
+[1875.48 --> 1875.94]  You're an animal.
+[1876.78 --> 1877.16]  Yeah,
+[1877.20 --> 1877.60]  it was interesting
+[1877.60 --> 1879.12]  because she kept using
+[1879.12 --> 1880.12]  Google Maps
+[1880.12 --> 1880.88]  during this.
+[1881.30 --> 1882.12]  Anytime I drove
+[1882.12 --> 1882.90]  or anytime I was looking
+[1882.90 --> 1883.50]  anything up
+[1883.50 --> 1883.88]  or looking,
+[1884.00 --> 1885.28]  I used anything
+[1885.28 --> 1885.98]  but Google Maps
+[1885.98 --> 1886.48]  and she stuck
+[1886.48 --> 1886.96]  with Google Maps
+[1886.96 --> 1887.38]  so I was always
+[1887.38 --> 1888.20]  comparing the two
+[1888.20 --> 1890.14]  and they clearly
+[1890.14 --> 1891.64]  have the superior
+[1891.64 --> 1894.02]  search.
+[1894.72 --> 1895.16]  However,
+[1896.32 --> 1897.00]  Apple Maps
+[1897.00 --> 1897.86]  surprised me
+[1897.86 --> 1898.34]  and I looked
+[1898.34 --> 1899.10]  into the privacy
+[1899.10 --> 1899.82]  and security
+[1899.82 --> 1900.54]  of Apple Maps
+[1900.54 --> 1901.24]  because that was
+[1901.24 --> 1901.84]  really what part
+[1901.84 --> 1902.36]  of this was about
+[1902.36 --> 1903.38]  was reducing
+[1903.38 --> 1904.20]  my cloud footprint
+[1904.20 --> 1904.70]  with this.
+[1904.98 --> 1906.28]  The thing I liked
+[1906.28 --> 1906.94]  about Apple Maps
+[1906.94 --> 1907.54]  is surprisingly
+[1907.54 --> 1908.04]  you don't even
+[1908.04 --> 1908.62]  have to be signed
+[1908.62 --> 1909.80]  into any Apple ID
+[1909.80 --> 1910.30]  or iCloud
+[1910.30 --> 1910.94]  to use it.
+[1911.52 --> 1911.92]  The data
+[1911.92 --> 1912.86]  that they do collect
+[1912.86 --> 1913.84]  is associated
+[1913.84 --> 1914.60]  with a randomly
+[1914.60 --> 1915.68]  generated identifier.
+[1915.96 --> 1916.46]  They reset
+[1916.46 --> 1917.66]  like every few minutes
+[1917.66 --> 1919.06]  and it is not tied
+[1919.06 --> 1919.68]  to your Apple ID.
+[1920.42 --> 1921.34]  They convert
+[1921.34 --> 1922.64]  precise locations
+[1922.64 --> 1924.22]  into less exact locations
+[1924.22 --> 1925.34]  before they store them
+[1925.34 --> 1926.46]  and then they apply
+[1926.46 --> 1927.34]  that to your current
+[1927.34 --> 1928.02]  device location
+[1928.02 --> 1928.58]  information
+[1928.58 --> 1929.16]  and origin
+[1929.16 --> 1930.68]  within 24 hours
+[1930.68 --> 1933.24]  and any of the
+[1933.24 --> 1934.32]  personalized features
+[1934.32 --> 1935.56]  like where your car
+[1935.56 --> 1936.08]  is parked
+[1936.08 --> 1937.26]  or suggested
+[1937.26 --> 1938.54]  departure times
+[1938.54 --> 1940.52]  your favorite locations
+[1940.52 --> 1942.06]  any of that kind
+[1942.06 --> 1942.36]  of stuff
+[1942.36 --> 1943.04]  that you generate
+[1943.04 --> 1944.18]  it's all stored
+[1944.18 --> 1944.70]  on device.
+[1944.82 --> 1945.52]  They don't send it up
+[1945.52 --> 1946.14]  to the Apple servers
+[1946.14 --> 1946.42]  at all.
+[1947.24 --> 1947.66]  It seems to me
+[1947.66 --> 1948.28]  the way they've
+[1948.28 --> 1949.04]  defined how
+[1949.04 --> 1950.00]  Apple Maps works
+[1950.00 --> 1951.24]  is sort of
+[1951.24 --> 1951.90]  their privacy
+[1951.90 --> 1952.96]  first approach
+[1952.96 --> 1954.08]  that they've been
+[1954.08 --> 1955.00]  sharing
+[1955.00 --> 1956.26]  throughout the years.
+[1956.50 --> 1956.66]  Yeah.
+[1956.78 --> 1957.40]  I'm not going to say
+[1957.40 --> 1958.02]  it's perfect.
+[1958.26 --> 1958.98]  But it feels like
+[1958.98 --> 1960.00]  they got most of it right
+[1960.00 --> 1961.54]  considering all of the
+[1961.54 --> 1962.76]  sort of technical stuff
+[1962.76 --> 1963.66]  that has to happen
+[1963.66 --> 1964.60]  to get you around
+[1964.60 --> 1965.58]  on a Maps app.
+[1965.76 --> 1967.82]  Or another way
+[1967.82 --> 1969.18]  is it feels like
+[1969.18 --> 1970.04]  they designed a product
+[1970.04 --> 1971.40]  to say screw you
+[1971.40 --> 1971.82]  to Google
+[1971.82 --> 1972.84]  on data collection
+[1972.84 --> 1973.56]  and stuff like that.
+[1973.62 --> 1974.14]  And did it work?
+[1974.54 --> 1974.76]  Well,
+[1974.94 --> 1976.26]  the display
+[1976.26 --> 1977.28]  is probably the best.
+[1977.36 --> 1977.82]  The other thing
+[1977.82 --> 1978.18]  that I found
+[1978.18 --> 1979.20]  surprisingly good
+[1979.20 --> 1981.48]  is the voice routing.
+[1981.82 --> 1983.42]  It has really good
+[1983.42 --> 1983.82]  clear,
+[1983.98 --> 1984.94]  like very clear
+[1984.94 --> 1985.58]  about which lane
+[1985.58 --> 1986.02]  to be in,
+[1986.10 --> 1986.98]  which isn't too uncommon.
+[1987.72 --> 1989.32]  And it's very clear
+[1989.32 --> 1990.44]  about intersections.
+[1990.78 --> 1992.10]  And here in the
+[1992.10 --> 1993.28]  Colorado-Denver area,
+[1993.46 --> 1994.78]  they stack the intersections.
+[1995.16 --> 1996.46]  So you drive
+[1996.46 --> 1997.12]  through an intersection
+[1997.12 --> 1998.56]  and then three
+[1998.56 --> 1999.44]  or four car lengths
+[1999.44 --> 1999.78]  later,
+[1999.88 --> 2001.24]  there is another intersection.
+[2001.88 --> 2002.54]  And so when you look
+[2002.54 --> 2003.14]  on a map,
+[2003.26 --> 2004.04]  you're not really sure
+[2004.04 --> 2004.72]  like what light
+[2004.72 --> 2005.36]  to turn on.
+[2005.52 --> 2006.96]  And the voice prompt
+[2006.96 --> 2007.70]  is very clear.
+[2007.80 --> 2008.26]  It'll say,
+[2008.26 --> 2009.96]  go through this light
+[2009.96 --> 2011.06]  and at the next light,
+[2011.52 --> 2012.12]  take a left,
+[2012.38 --> 2013.38]  be in the middle lane.
+[2014.06 --> 2014.88]  And when you're,
+[2014.88 --> 2015.50]  when you're new
+[2015.50 --> 2016.40]  to an area
+[2016.40 --> 2017.08]  and it's dark
+[2017.08 --> 2018.18]  and you're coming up
+[2018.18 --> 2018.96]  on two intersections
+[2018.96 --> 2019.40]  and you know
+[2019.40 --> 2020.42]  you've got a left turn
+[2020.42 --> 2021.50]  or a right turn,
+[2021.64 --> 2022.66]  that kind of clarity
+[2022.66 --> 2024.52]  just makes it low stress.
+[2024.62 --> 2025.28]  Then additionally,
+[2025.52 --> 2026.76]  they tie in with the watch
+[2026.76 --> 2027.78]  so it taps your arm
+[2027.78 --> 2028.92]  when you need to turn.
+[2029.36 --> 2030.62]  And when you were driving,
+[2031.00 --> 2031.68]  I was able to just
+[2031.68 --> 2032.36]  look at my watch
+[2032.36 --> 2032.78]  and tell you
+[2032.78 --> 2033.62]  what the next turn is.
+[2033.84 --> 2033.92]  Yeah,
+[2033.96 --> 2034.64]  that was really handy.
+[2034.92 --> 2036.36]  I will admit that
+[2036.36 --> 2037.56]  halfway through the trip,
+[2037.56 --> 2038.46]  I kind of gave up
+[2038.46 --> 2039.12]  on my phone
+[2039.12 --> 2040.30]  and my map app
+[2040.30 --> 2040.74]  because,
+[2041.08 --> 2041.18]  well,
+[2041.22 --> 2041.82]  we were doing this,
+[2041.86 --> 2042.52]  this experiment
+[2042.52 --> 2044.84]  and my methods
+[2044.84 --> 2045.32]  were failing.
+[2045.70 --> 2047.30]  So you were in the nav seat
+[2047.30 --> 2048.42]  and you were helping me out
+[2048.42 --> 2049.22]  and that actually
+[2049.22 --> 2049.92]  worked out all right.
+[2050.16 --> 2050.54]  I think I'm going
+[2050.54 --> 2051.14]  to stick with it.
+[2051.34 --> 2052.14]  I don't think I'm after the,
+[2052.26 --> 2052.46]  I mean,
+[2052.48 --> 2053.38]  I said I'd do it for two weeks
+[2053.38 --> 2053.82]  and I think I'm going
+[2053.82 --> 2054.48]  to stick with it.
+[2055.20 --> 2055.86]  I'll let my,
+[2055.98 --> 2056.14]  you know,
+[2056.18 --> 2056.90]  my wife will still have
+[2056.90 --> 2057.80]  Google Maps as a backup,
+[2058.08 --> 2058.76]  but for me,
+[2059.16 --> 2060.22]  I'm uninstalling Google Maps
+[2060.22 --> 2060.64]  off the phone.
+[2061.26 --> 2061.58]  Wow.
+[2061.80 --> 2061.92]  Yeah.
+[2061.92 --> 2063.14]  So that's quite a success.
+[2063.34 --> 2063.52]  Yeah.
+[2063.58 --> 2064.92]  It's not open street maps,
+[2065.14 --> 2066.12]  although I am playing
+[2066.12 --> 2066.74]  with those still
+[2066.74 --> 2067.58]  and I do really like
+[2067.58 --> 2068.28]  the way Magic Earth
+[2068.28 --> 2069.18]  displays things.
+[2069.76 --> 2070.96]  So for some circumstances,
+[2070.96 --> 2071.68]  like if I already know
+[2071.68 --> 2072.30]  the address
+[2072.30 --> 2073.28]  and I'm not searching
+[2073.28 --> 2073.92]  up something,
+[2074.66 --> 2075.88]  they may have a place still.
+[2076.24 --> 2077.62]  But I,
+[2077.70 --> 2078.28]  I was,
+[2078.46 --> 2079.42]  I was pretty impressed.
+[2080.20 --> 2080.76]  You know,
+[2080.82 --> 2081.76]  if you only could have
+[2081.76 --> 2082.24]  one app
+[2082.24 --> 2083.82]  and you didn't care
+[2083.82 --> 2084.80]  about Google tracking you,
+[2085.20 --> 2086.26]  I'd probably still suggest
+[2086.26 --> 2086.98]  you use Google Maps.
+[2087.84 --> 2088.40]  You know,
+[2088.52 --> 2088.78]  I,
+[2088.96 --> 2089.40]  for the trip,
+[2089.48 --> 2091.18]  used the same app
+[2091.18 --> 2091.86]  that I've been using
+[2091.86 --> 2093.24]  for probably the last two years
+[2093.24 --> 2094.36]  since I've tried this
+[2094.36 --> 2095.58]  de-googling a while ago,
+[2096.06 --> 2098.06]  mostly successfully.
+[2098.58 --> 2100.14]  And so I'm on Android
+[2100.14 --> 2100.92]  and I've been using
+[2100.92 --> 2102.38]  OpenStreetMap,
+[2102.46 --> 2103.44]  the OSM,
+[2103.60 --> 2104.46]  and plus.
+[2105.64 --> 2106.32]  There are things
+[2106.32 --> 2106.94]  I love about it
+[2106.94 --> 2107.88]  and things I hate about it.
+[2108.32 --> 2109.14]  The one thing,
+[2109.22 --> 2110.20]  you mentioned search.
+[2110.72 --> 2112.22]  I find it's great
+[2112.22 --> 2113.28]  if you know
+[2113.28 --> 2114.00]  approximately
+[2114.00 --> 2114.84]  where you want to go.
+[2115.00 --> 2115.70]  If you're trying to find
+[2115.70 --> 2116.70]  an exact business
+[2116.70 --> 2117.82]  or even
+[2117.82 --> 2119.06]  an exact address
+[2119.06 --> 2120.46]  on a popular street,
+[2120.92 --> 2122.86]  it's not necessarily
+[2122.86 --> 2123.46]  going to have it.
+[2123.52 --> 2124.26]  It might have some
+[2124.26 --> 2125.16]  of the street numbers,
+[2125.60 --> 2126.76]  but certainly not all of them.
+[2126.82 --> 2127.68]  I found that to be
+[2127.68 --> 2128.52]  a little bit frustrating,
+[2128.80 --> 2129.02]  but
+[2129.02 --> 2131.40]  it gets me there.
+[2132.06 --> 2132.88]  I will say
+[2132.88 --> 2133.84]  90% of the time
+[2133.84 --> 2134.52]  it works for me,
+[2134.60 --> 2135.82]  but I like getting lost
+[2135.82 --> 2136.60]  in new cities,
+[2136.76 --> 2137.58]  so maybe that's
+[2137.58 --> 2138.44]  a unique approach.
+[2138.86 --> 2139.48]  Well, there's that
+[2139.48 --> 2140.34]  if you don't mind getting lost.
+[2140.42 --> 2141.00]  That's a feature.
+[2141.42 --> 2142.16]  Yeah, for Brent.
+[2142.64 --> 2143.48]  The thing I liked
+[2143.48 --> 2144.58]  about the OpenStreetMaps app
+[2144.58 --> 2145.56]  is that you could download
+[2145.56 --> 2146.52]  your maps offline.
+[2146.70 --> 2147.24]  Hold on a minute.
+[2147.50 --> 2148.04]  Hold on a minute.
+[2148.96 --> 2149.68]  OSM and Plus
+[2149.68 --> 2150.84]  is $25.
+[2152.04 --> 2152.74]  That's quite a lot,
+[2152.80 --> 2153.06]  isn't it,
+[2153.06 --> 2153.46]  for an app?
+[2153.76 --> 2154.20]  Well, you know,
+[2154.30 --> 2156.42]  it's not $25 for me
+[2156.42 --> 2157.26]  when I get it from
+[2157.26 --> 2157.96]  F-Droid.
+[2158.62 --> 2159.78]  Ah, there you go,
+[2159.82 --> 2160.12]  you see.
+[2161.70 --> 2162.44]  I've been using
+[2162.44 --> 2163.04]  ViewRanger
+[2163.04 --> 2164.40]  for quite a number
+[2164.40 --> 2164.72]  of years.
+[2164.78 --> 2165.68]  Whenever I take a hike
+[2165.68 --> 2166.50]  or something like that,
+[2166.60 --> 2166.88]  I actually,
+[2167.14 --> 2168.24]  this is a very
+[2168.24 --> 2169.12]  long-term usage
+[2169.12 --> 2169.62]  for me
+[2169.62 --> 2170.92]  from back
+[2170.92 --> 2171.58]  when I lived in England.
+[2171.58 --> 2173.52]  It supports things
+[2173.52 --> 2174.76]  like Ordnance Survey Maps
+[2174.76 --> 2175.66]  and you can download
+[2175.66 --> 2177.16]  US Geological Survey Maps.
+[2177.26 --> 2178.02]  You can buy them
+[2178.02 --> 2179.58]  and actually buy the tiles
+[2179.58 --> 2181.00]  directly in ViewRanger.
+[2181.54 --> 2182.78]  They're changing their name
+[2182.78 --> 2184.10]  to Outdoor Active
+[2184.10 --> 2185.96]  so you can find them
+[2185.96 --> 2186.92]  at ViewRanger.com.
+[2187.22 --> 2188.20]  I've found that one
+[2188.20 --> 2188.62]  pretty good.
+[2189.18 --> 2190.02]  Brent there mentioned
+[2190.02 --> 2190.70]  F-Droid.
+[2191.16 --> 2192.44]  We got several people,
+[2192.62 --> 2193.42]  including Ross,
+[2193.48 --> 2194.36]  who wrote in and said,
+[2194.48 --> 2195.58]  I like the Aurora Store.
+[2196.00 --> 2196.68]  It's an alternative
+[2196.68 --> 2197.90]  front-end for Google Play
+[2197.90 --> 2199.14]  which keeps your data away
+[2199.14 --> 2200.08]  while giving you access
+[2200.08 --> 2200.78]  to those apps
+[2200.78 --> 2201.54]  that are exclusive.
+[2202.98 --> 2203.46]  He's like,
+[2203.50 --> 2203.98]  that's the only way
+[2203.98 --> 2205.08]  I could get the Starlink app.
+[2205.96 --> 2206.64]  I will admit,
+[2206.78 --> 2208.24]  I have Aurora Droid installed
+[2208.24 --> 2209.00]  and I prefer it
+[2209.00 --> 2209.48]  over F-Droid
+[2209.48 --> 2210.50]  most of the time.
+[2210.80 --> 2211.16]  It has a few
+[2211.16 --> 2211.92]  little tiny bugs,
+[2212.04 --> 2212.58]  but I didn't know
+[2212.58 --> 2213.28]  that was a feature,
+[2213.46 --> 2214.20]  so that's great to hear.
+[2214.62 --> 2215.80]  Ross says that he switched
+[2215.80 --> 2217.14]  to ProtonMail from Gmail
+[2217.14 --> 2218.66]  and I've used ProtonMail
+[2218.66 --> 2219.48]  and I like it a lot.
+[2220.72 --> 2221.68]  So there's something there.
+[2222.46 --> 2223.30]  There was also,
+[2223.56 --> 2224.90]  a lot of people wrote in
+[2224.90 --> 2225.88]  about their different approaches
+[2225.88 --> 2226.94]  to contact syncing
+[2226.94 --> 2227.76]  and Brent,
+[2227.80 --> 2228.30]  did you cover
+[2228.30 --> 2229.06]  in last week's episode
+[2229.06 --> 2229.60]  how you do that?
+[2229.78 --> 2230.32]  I think I did,
+[2230.38 --> 2231.00]  but I'll do it again.
+[2231.34 --> 2232.30]  I'm using NextCloud
+[2232.30 --> 2233.08]  for contact syncing
+[2233.08 --> 2234.16]  and I've found that
+[2234.16 --> 2235.50]  to be pretty bulletproof actually.
+[2235.66 --> 2236.66]  I was worried at first
+[2236.66 --> 2237.82]  when I did it a while ago
+[2237.82 --> 2239.36]  because contacts
+[2239.36 --> 2241.44]  is arguably the thing
+[2241.44 --> 2242.46]  that's most important to me
+[2242.46 --> 2244.12]  getting all of that right
+[2244.12 --> 2245.32]  and it's been bulletproof.
+[2246.20 --> 2247.04]  Well, Dale writes in,
+[2247.14 --> 2248.66]  I just listened to episode 51
+[2248.66 --> 2250.46]  and I think Brent mentioned
+[2250.46 --> 2251.12]  NextCloud.
+[2251.54 --> 2252.46]  Yes, confirmed.
+[2252.66 --> 2253.64]  We just had that confirmed
+[2253.64 --> 2254.02]  by Brent.
+[2254.10 --> 2254.44]  Thank you.
+[2254.98 --> 2256.20]  And I wondered if any of you
+[2256.20 --> 2258.06]  have heard or used Etsy Sync,
+[2258.10 --> 2260.16]  that's E-T-E-Sync.com.
+[2260.54 --> 2262.12]  It's a self-hostable project
+[2262.12 --> 2263.24]  whose value proposition
+[2263.24 --> 2264.18]  is secure,
+[2264.40 --> 2265.42]  end-to-end encrypted
+[2265.42 --> 2267.44]  and privacy respecting sync
+[2267.44 --> 2268.20]  for your contacts,
+[2268.42 --> 2268.84]  calendars,
+[2269.02 --> 2270.24]  tasks and notes.
+[2270.66 --> 2271.56]  I've been using it
+[2271.56 --> 2272.88]  for about two years now
+[2272.88 --> 2274.24]  and more recently
+[2274.24 --> 2274.94]  I've been using it
+[2274.94 --> 2275.84]  on my GNOME desktop.
+[2275.84 --> 2276.98]  I pay for them
+[2276.98 --> 2277.90]  to manage the hosting
+[2277.90 --> 2278.42]  and syncing
+[2278.42 --> 2279.30]  but you could absolutely
+[2279.30 --> 2280.14]  host it yourself.
+[2280.58 --> 2281.58]  Highly recommend it.
+[2281.70 --> 2282.46]  Thanks for the great show
+[2282.46 --> 2283.04]  and all the best.
+[2283.30 --> 2283.52]  Dale.
+[2284.58 --> 2285.72]  E-T-E-Sync.com
+[2285.72 --> 2286.44]  We'll have a link to that
+[2286.44 --> 2286.92]  in the show notes.
+[2286.96 --> 2287.64]  I looked at it
+[2287.64 --> 2289.00]  before the show
+[2289.00 --> 2290.40]  and it's a solution
+[2290.40 --> 2291.34]  that really is kind of
+[2291.34 --> 2292.94]  targeted at just
+[2292.94 --> 2295.02]  a end-to-end
+[2295.02 --> 2296.40]  encrypted sync
+[2296.40 --> 2297.82]  of contact calendar
+[2297.82 --> 2298.48]  task notes.
+[2298.60 --> 2299.38]  Like it just solves
+[2299.38 --> 2300.02]  that problem.
+[2300.20 --> 2301.26]  That's what they focus on.
+[2301.54 --> 2302.54]  And they've got apps
+[2302.54 --> 2303.66]  in the Apple App Store,
+[2304.14 --> 2304.62]  Google Play,
+[2304.62 --> 2305.72]  they're on F-Droid too
+[2305.72 --> 2307.20]  and of course
+[2307.20 --> 2307.88]  you can get it
+[2307.88 --> 2308.36]  on your desktop.
+[2308.90 --> 2310.32]  It looks pretty legit actually.
+[2310.54 --> 2311.54]  I think I just decrypted
+[2311.54 --> 2312.62]  what their name means.
+[2312.76 --> 2313.48]  E-to-E-Sync
+[2313.48 --> 2314.36]  is end-to-end sync
+[2314.36 --> 2314.88]  isn't it?
+[2315.08 --> 2316.74]  Ah, I was wondering.
+[2317.08 --> 2317.42]  Duh.
+[2318.58 --> 2319.42]  It's one of those moments
+[2319.42 --> 2320.02]  you figure it out
+[2320.02 --> 2320.38]  and you're like
+[2320.38 --> 2321.48]  oh I feel like a dummy now.
+[2323.18 --> 2324.18]  You know if I could
+[2324.18 --> 2325.00]  mention one thing
+[2325.00 --> 2325.80]  about Nextcloud
+[2325.80 --> 2327.74]  on Android at least
+[2327.74 --> 2328.66]  that made it
+[2328.66 --> 2330.28]  possible for me
+[2330.28 --> 2331.42]  and integrates it
+[2331.42 --> 2332.34]  at a system level
+[2332.34 --> 2332.94]  everywhere
+[2332.94 --> 2334.58]  is this little app
+[2334.58 --> 2335.68]  called DevX5.
+[2336.06 --> 2337.46]  It takes the Nextcloud
+[2337.46 --> 2337.96]  syncing
+[2337.96 --> 2339.64]  which is CalDev
+[2339.64 --> 2341.00]  and CardDev
+[2341.00 --> 2341.96]  and just
+[2341.96 --> 2342.70]  sort of
+[2342.70 --> 2343.42]  makes that
+[2343.42 --> 2343.96]  available
+[2343.96 --> 2344.90]  at a system level
+[2344.90 --> 2346.10]  in the same exact
+[2346.10 --> 2346.60]  places
+[2346.60 --> 2347.42]  and ways
+[2347.42 --> 2348.20]  that all of the
+[2348.20 --> 2349.08]  Google stuff
+[2349.08 --> 2349.62]  appears
+[2349.62 --> 2350.70]  so it's just seamless.
+[2351.16 --> 2351.60]  So that would be
+[2351.60 --> 2352.30]  a huge recommendation
+[2352.30 --> 2352.88]  from me.
+[2353.04 --> 2353.88]  Say it again for me.
+[2355.02 --> 2355.54]  DevX5
+[2355.54 --> 2357.06]  available in F-Droid
+[2357.06 --> 2358.20]  and maybe
+[2358.20 --> 2359.10]  in other stores.
+[2359.20 --> 2359.70]  Can you put a link
+[2359.70 --> 2360.22]  in the show notes
+[2360.22 --> 2360.76]  for us Brent?
+[2361.24 --> 2361.86]  Oh probably.
+[2362.56 --> 2363.26]  So what did you guys
+[2363.26 --> 2364.10]  think of the meetup?
+[2364.56 --> 2365.18]  It was pretty cool
+[2365.18 --> 2366.14]  to meet some of our
+[2366.14 --> 2367.06]  listeners huh?
+[2367.34 --> 2368.18]  Yeah we saw
+[2368.18 --> 2369.16]  a Chris and the Badger
+[2369.16 --> 2369.70]  shirt there
+[2369.70 --> 2370.80]  which was exciting
+[2370.80 --> 2371.24]  because I hadn't
+[2371.24 --> 2371.86]  considered that
+[2371.86 --> 2372.48]  somebody would get
+[2372.48 --> 2372.96]  a shirt with the
+[2372.96 --> 2373.54]  intention of bringing
+[2373.54 --> 2374.08]  it to the meetup.
+[2374.18 --> 2374.68]  That was great.
+[2374.90 --> 2375.68]  That was Optimus Grey
+[2375.68 --> 2376.36]  rocking the Chris
+[2376.36 --> 2376.92]  and the Badger.
+[2377.44 --> 2377.88]  Yeah I thought
+[2377.88 --> 2378.52]  that was super cool.
+[2378.62 --> 2379.28]  He posed for a picture
+[2379.28 --> 2379.88]  with us and we had
+[2379.88 --> 2380.44]  to stand on the
+[2380.44 --> 2381.28]  correct sides as well.
+[2381.38 --> 2381.72]  You know I was
+[2381.72 --> 2382.50]  on the Badger side
+[2382.50 --> 2382.96]  and you were on
+[2382.96 --> 2383.56]  the Chris side.
+[2383.84 --> 2383.98]  Right.
+[2384.04 --> 2384.60]  My daughter thought
+[2384.60 --> 2385.48]  it was so cool
+[2385.48 --> 2386.10]  that people wanted
+[2386.10 --> 2387.02]  to take selfies
+[2387.02 --> 2387.76]  with us.
+[2387.86 --> 2388.06]  So I was like
+[2388.06 --> 2388.96]  really that's the
+[2388.96 --> 2389.66]  thing you think
+[2389.66 --> 2390.24]  is cool?
+[2390.50 --> 2390.80]  Alright.
+[2391.20 --> 2391.60]  Okay.
+[2391.94 --> 2392.44]  Well I thought
+[2392.44 --> 2393.42]  the free donuts
+[2393.42 --> 2394.12]  were pretty cool.
+[2394.36 --> 2395.10]  Linode put on
+[2395.10 --> 2396.04]  a heck of a show
+[2396.04 --> 2396.52]  for us.
+[2396.78 --> 2397.54]  Yeah you know
+[2397.54 --> 2398.62]  Brent and I
+[2398.62 --> 2399.30]  and Wes went
+[2399.30 --> 2400.30]  to grab those donuts
+[2400.30 --> 2401.04]  and that was
+[2401.04 --> 2401.64]  quite the journey
+[2401.64 --> 2402.08]  because it was
+[2402.08 --> 2403.44]  150 donuts
+[2403.44 --> 2404.62]  and it was in
+[2404.62 --> 2405.50]  downtown Denver
+[2405.50 --> 2406.80]  during Friday
+[2406.80 --> 2407.42]  rush hour.
+[2407.54 --> 2407.90]  I don't know
+[2407.90 --> 2408.42]  what we were
+[2408.42 --> 2408.80]  thinking.
+[2409.80 --> 2410.62]  And so at a
+[2410.62 --> 2411.16]  certain point
+[2411.16 --> 2412.12]  I saw a little
+[2412.12 --> 2412.86]  bit of Canadian
+[2412.86 --> 2414.06]  road rage emerge
+[2414.06 --> 2414.60]  out of Brent
+[2414.60 --> 2415.44]  when this truck
+[2415.44 --> 2416.92]  Brent had gotten
+[2416.92 --> 2417.46]  into a battle
+[2417.46 --> 2418.04]  with a truck
+[2418.04 --> 2418.40]  downtown
+[2418.40 --> 2419.86]  and he had
+[2419.86 --> 2420.18]  to kind of
+[2420.18 --> 2420.56]  cut in front
+[2420.56 --> 2420.94]  of the truck
+[2420.94 --> 2421.64]  because a lane
+[2421.64 --> 2422.14]  was ending
+[2422.14 --> 2422.80]  and the truck
+[2422.80 --> 2423.54]  driver never
+[2423.54 --> 2424.16]  forgave him
+[2424.16 --> 2424.74]  for it.
+[2426.00 --> 2426.72]  Does Brent
+[2426.72 --> 2427.40]  get angry?
+[2427.82 --> 2428.12]  I mean
+[2428.12 --> 2428.96]  disgruntled?
+[2429.28 --> 2430.14]  I got slightly
+[2430.14 --> 2430.72]  more aggressive
+[2430.72 --> 2431.42]  in my driving.
+[2431.70 --> 2431.98]  Oh wow.
+[2432.28 --> 2433.06]  It was one
+[2433.06 --> 2433.82]  of those situations
+[2433.82 --> 2434.34]  where you just
+[2434.34 --> 2434.88]  got to get over
+[2434.88 --> 2435.30]  and you got to
+[2435.30 --> 2435.62]  do everything
+[2435.62 --> 2436.10]  you can
+[2436.10 --> 2437.06]  and it wasn't
+[2437.06 --> 2437.60]  too bad
+[2437.60 --> 2438.40]  actually I thought
+[2438.40 --> 2439.52]  but that truck
+[2439.52 --> 2440.28]  decided to
+[2440.28 --> 2441.94]  very aggressively
+[2441.94 --> 2442.74]  pass us
+[2442.74 --> 2443.18]  on the right
+[2443.18 --> 2443.78]  hand side.
+[2443.92 --> 2444.12]  You had to
+[2444.12 --> 2444.94]  work at it too.
+[2445.14 --> 2445.46]  Oh yeah.
+[2445.46 --> 2446.88]  and promptly
+[2446.88 --> 2447.82]  cut us off
+[2447.82 --> 2449.30]  again on the
+[2449.30 --> 2449.70]  left hand side.
+[2449.70 --> 2450.24]  We're just trying
+[2450.24 --> 2450.76]  to make a donut
+[2450.76 --> 2451.06]  run.
+[2451.62 --> 2452.58]  I don't think he
+[2452.58 --> 2453.22]  realized what we
+[2453.22 --> 2453.66]  were trying to
+[2453.66 --> 2454.08]  accomplish.
+[2454.38 --> 2454.72]  I know.
+[2454.96 --> 2455.28]  I know.
+[2455.46 --> 2456.12]  Hey before we go
+[2456.12 --> 2456.54]  I want to say
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+[2485.70 --> 2486.42]  well know by this
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