diff --git "a/39: We run Arch BTW _transcript.txt" "b/39: We run Arch BTW _transcript.txt" --- "a/39: We run Arch BTW _transcript.txt" +++ "b/39: We run Arch BTW _transcript.txt" @@ -1,1336 +1,1336 @@ -[0.00 --> 3.52] Coming up on today's show, we cover our favourite LastPass alternative, -[4.14 --> 7.50] we talk about why more boxes might be better than one, -[7.72 --> 10.98] and we confess our undying love for Arch. -[11.86 --> 12.46] I'm Alex. -[12.76 --> 15.28] And I'm Chris, and this is Self-Hosted 39. -[30.00 --> 45.44] I, too, I, too, Alex, have been worshipping at the altar of Arch recently. -[45.58 --> 47.84] After experimenting with various different distributions, -[48.52 --> 50.80] I like that I can set up a minimal system, -[50.80 --> 56.46] and I actually have been enjoying using Arch as my base application server. -[56.84 --> 58.42] I don't run apps directly on Arch, -[58.42 --> 61.96] but in containers or VMs, I find it to be a fantastic platform. -[62.06 --> 63.04] I've been doing it for a while now. -[63.64 --> 66.16] This comes hot off the heels of this week's Linux Unplugged, -[66.24 --> 70.40] where I think it's fair to say you got in your soapbox and preached the Arch gospel. -[70.74 --> 71.70] I don't know. -[71.94 --> 75.22] I think what I got in my soapbox about was -[75.22 --> 77.96] it's become kind of a joke or a meme, -[77.96 --> 82.26] oh, Arch users, people are just trying to flex and talk about how elite they are, -[82.76 --> 85.14] when the reality is that's not it at all. -[85.14 --> 89.42] I simply just want something that makes it really quick to get software deployed or up and running, -[89.54 --> 92.96] and maybe have the most minimal Linux install before I run an application. -[93.14 --> 96.96] And I find it great for that, without sort of all of the upfront work -[96.96 --> 99.62] that something like Gen 2 or Linux from scratch takes. -[100.08 --> 100.88] Hey, bro, bro, bro. -[101.50 --> 102.52] I run Arch, by the way. -[103.02 --> 103.40] Yeah. -[103.74 --> 105.16] Well, that's kind of how it started. -[105.60 --> 109.18] And then it became, it kind of grew from there, didn't it? -[109.32 --> 109.72] It did. -[109.72 --> 111.50] Yeah, I definitely feel the shame. -[111.50 --> 114.22] Like, when you say to people, I run Arch, -[114.32 --> 118.34] it's not because you want to flex, or at least I don't want to flex. -[118.76 --> 121.74] It's because I just love it so gosh darn much, -[121.74 --> 124.78] and I think other people would too if they just gave it a chance. -[125.14 --> 126.04] Well, why is that? -[126.08 --> 128.36] I think we should talk about, maybe just really briefly, -[128.52 --> 129.88] why it is you love it so much. -[129.90 --> 132.02] Because it's not the forms, right? -[132.04 --> 134.94] It's not the Arch user base, necessarily. -[135.14 --> 136.96] It's the practicality of it, right? -[137.38 --> 137.78] It is. -[137.78 --> 142.88] I am one command away from pretty much any piece of software that I want. -[143.72 --> 146.28] Yay-S, everything, literally. -[147.16 --> 150.44] You know, the AUR is Arch's secret sauce. -[151.08 --> 151.98] Think of anything. -[152.14 --> 153.06] Think of a custom kernel. -[153.36 --> 156.86] You know, VFIO stuff is pretty complex to get into. -[157.46 --> 159.46] There is a custom kernel already compiled, -[159.68 --> 163.16] or there's a package build to compile a custom kernel already there for you, -[163.18 --> 163.66] ready to go. -[164.36 --> 167.00] You want some esoteric piece of software that, -[167.00 --> 168.96] on Ubuntu would be a PPA, -[169.30 --> 171.26] or on Fedora would be a copper repo. -[171.78 --> 173.32] I don't have to worry about any of that. -[173.38 --> 175.28] It's just yay-s install, -[175.56 --> 176.56] and off you go. -[177.54 --> 180.34] And besides that, you know, as a new user, -[180.46 --> 183.06] when I was getting into Linux in 2013, -[183.38 --> 184.64] 14 sort of time period, -[185.46 --> 186.38] the Arch documentation -[186.38 --> 189.48] is just the best around, -[189.48 --> 191.82] and it's crowdsourced. -[192.02 --> 193.98] It's not always completely accurate -[193.98 --> 195.80] and always completely totally up to date, -[195.86 --> 196.82] but it's good enough -[196.82 --> 200.24] that even an idiot like me can pick it up -[200.24 --> 200.96] and get going -[200.96 --> 202.94] when I knew basically nothing. -[203.60 --> 204.36] And at that point, -[204.40 --> 206.50] that was when Arch had just transitioned to Systemd. -[206.50 --> 210.52] So I kind of credit Arch and Systemd and Docker -[210.52 --> 212.44] as being the three kind of pillars -[212.44 --> 213.84] of what got me into Linux -[213.84 --> 216.82] and being able to get me over that initial new user -[216.82 --> 218.58] not knowing what I'm doing hump. -[218.84 --> 220.26] Those three things together, -[220.46 --> 223.24] for me, were just game-changing. -[223.84 --> 225.22] There really is a Linux for every type. -[225.34 --> 227.02] Obviously, there's benefits -[227.02 --> 228.54] to running something like Debian -[228.54 --> 232.46] or CentOS or Ubuntu LTS on a server -[232.46 --> 234.40] that make just a ton of sense for most people. -[234.92 --> 235.94] I'm the type of user, -[236.04 --> 238.16] I don't mind logging in at least once a week, -[238.78 --> 240.02] doing a package update -[240.02 --> 242.90] and seeing what needs to be installed. -[243.38 --> 245.62] I don't always have time for that. -[245.62 --> 247.68] I don't always get to do it weekly, -[247.86 --> 249.38] but I generally am able to do it -[249.38 --> 250.46] at least once a month, -[250.50 --> 251.40] if not twice a month. -[251.40 --> 254.00] And that seems to be all it's taken for me -[254.00 --> 255.60] to keep these systems up and running. -[255.66 --> 256.78] And the benefit that I get -[256.78 --> 258.52] from a self-hosting standpoint -[258.52 --> 261.72] is my operating system is continuously updated. -[261.84 --> 264.08] I don't have this event -[264.08 --> 265.80] that comes up every few years -[265.80 --> 267.80] where I kind of brace myself -[267.80 --> 270.42] and do this massive upgrade. -[271.10 --> 272.54] Instead, I take my medicine -[272.54 --> 274.10] kind of on a weekly basis -[274.10 --> 276.78] and it kind of stretches out the changes -[276.78 --> 278.00] so that they're just more minor. -[278.12 --> 278.70] They're more frequent, -[278.86 --> 280.06] but they're more minor. -[280.06 --> 281.44] I prefer that. -[281.44 --> 282.64] And then when you add something -[282.64 --> 283.36] like Alex was saying, -[283.46 --> 283.94] the AUR, -[284.32 --> 286.42] with the package management system, -[286.60 --> 289.40] I can get something up and running -[289.40 --> 291.68] in moments on Arch -[291.68 --> 294.38] that would take a bit of fiddling around, -[294.48 --> 295.44] maybe adding a package repository, -[296.36 --> 298.14] following a guide to add the keys -[298.14 --> 299.24] and all that kind of stuff -[299.24 --> 300.50] to a machine. -[300.62 --> 302.08] And then I have the joy -[302.08 --> 303.76] of watching that repo go by -[303.76 --> 305.30] every time I do an apt update -[305.30 --> 306.38] or a DNF update. -[306.50 --> 308.44] And I'm not a huge fan of that system. -[308.44 --> 308.90] It works. -[309.54 --> 310.78] And for some people, -[310.82 --> 311.46] it works really well. -[311.60 --> 312.82] For me, I just like to have it -[312.82 --> 314.66] all integrated with a single package manager, -[315.22 --> 316.80] single set of updates that I do. -[317.08 --> 319.60] And it's always guaranteed to be -[319.60 --> 320.94] at least close to guaranteed, -[321.06 --> 321.62] I should say, -[321.88 --> 322.74] the latest version -[322.74 --> 323.62] when I install something. -[323.82 --> 325.18] So I know the security stuff's -[325.18 --> 325.68] taken care of, -[325.72 --> 326.36] the feature stuff -[326.36 --> 327.36] that I've been reading about online, -[327.40 --> 328.58] I know it's already landed. -[329.12 --> 330.86] And then anything that's more complex -[330.86 --> 332.78] than a basic system level tool, -[333.02 --> 335.44] I'm already loading in a container anyways. -[335.44 --> 337.68] Anyways, and those are often based on Alpine -[337.68 --> 338.98] or Ubuntu, et cetera. -[339.12 --> 340.56] And it kind of doesn't really matter -[340.56 --> 341.72] what the host OS is running -[341.72 --> 343.30] as long as it's secure and up to date. -[343.64 --> 345.88] I kind of view Arch a little bit like -[345.88 --> 347.42] stock Android. -[347.96 --> 349.86] You know, like on a Pixel phone -[349.86 --> 351.48] or, well, not OnePlus anymore, -[351.76 --> 353.10] but definitely on the Pixel phones. -[353.28 --> 355.10] Like, it has no opinion. -[355.42 --> 356.68] There's no opinionation really -[356.68 --> 357.54] in how it does stuff. -[357.60 --> 358.62] It just gives you stuff -[358.62 --> 360.08] and lets you figure it out by yourself. -[360.72 --> 361.86] And for that reason, -[361.98 --> 363.58] it makes a really great -[363.58 --> 364.66] minimum viable server. -[365.38 --> 366.32] It also makes -[366.32 --> 367.94] a really great workstation. -[368.36 --> 370.70] It could make a great cloud box -[370.70 --> 371.82] because you can only install -[371.82 --> 373.48] very, very minimal numbers of packages. -[373.74 --> 375.08] So from a security perspective, -[375.72 --> 377.40] there's a smaller attack surface. -[378.16 --> 380.44] The downside is that the industry, -[380.64 --> 382.40] and I use air quotes around industry, -[383.32 --> 384.20] in the cloud at least, -[384.36 --> 386.52] does seem to be settling on Ubuntu. -[386.52 --> 387.84] Like if you look at market share -[387.84 --> 388.68] and stuff like that. -[389.20 --> 391.00] So you are kind of -[391.00 --> 393.20] trailblazing your own path -[393.20 --> 394.28] by going with Arch. -[394.48 --> 397.06] But I would argue that -[397.06 --> 398.22] what distro you run -[398.22 --> 399.56] doesn't really matter -[399.56 --> 400.38] that much anymore. -[400.74 --> 402.36] I mean, I do feel pretty strongly -[402.36 --> 403.02] that, you know, -[403.06 --> 404.50] all my systems will just run Arch. -[405.28 --> 406.38] You know, if it's a laptop -[406.38 --> 407.30] or a desktop or whatever. -[407.46 --> 408.22] But if it's a server, -[408.94 --> 410.32] I'll probably put Ubuntu on it. -[410.88 --> 412.22] Even though everything -[412.22 --> 412.98] we've just said, -[413.10 --> 416.08] because it has canonical behind it -[416.08 --> 417.12] doing a bunch of testing, -[417.58 --> 418.80] especially when it comes to ZFS -[418.80 --> 420.08] and the licensing there. -[420.34 --> 421.20] That's a tricky one, -[421.20 --> 421.96] even on Arch. -[422.48 --> 423.44] Just a bunch of stuff, -[423.52 --> 424.04] a bunch of testing -[424.04 --> 425.04] and things like that -[425.04 --> 427.04] mean that I don't run Arch -[427.04 --> 428.16] absolutely everywhere, -[428.68 --> 429.60] just most places. -[430.08 --> 431.28] I have found that for the cloud, -[431.40 --> 433.06] I'm sticking with Ubuntu LTS -[433.06 --> 434.12] for the most part. -[434.32 --> 435.54] I find that works really well. -[435.88 --> 437.06] And for my Raspberry Pis -[437.06 --> 438.66] that are at the RV -[438.66 --> 440.44] on an LTE connection, -[440.84 --> 442.98] I'm also running Ubuntu LTS there -[442.98 --> 444.48] in part because they've done -[444.48 --> 445.56] a really good job -[445.56 --> 447.48] with their Pi support. -[447.48 --> 450.16] But also, less updates -[450.16 --> 451.74] is a feature when you're on cellular. -[452.26 --> 452.66] Yeah. -[453.02 --> 454.34] And I'm already updating -[454.34 --> 455.70] my laptop enough as it is. -[456.18 --> 457.72] So there's those elements of it. -[457.86 --> 459.24] But when I have an opportunity -[459.24 --> 460.58] to run local physical hardware, -[460.66 --> 461.72] like I do here at the studio, -[461.80 --> 462.38] it's all Arch. -[462.80 --> 463.80] It works fantastic. -[464.24 --> 465.72] I do have one Arch box -[465.72 --> 466.56] up in the cloud -[466.56 --> 468.22] that is like an example -[468.22 --> 469.72] of Arch in the cloud gone wrong, -[469.86 --> 473.02] where the vendor tried to pin -[473.02 --> 474.72] to a certain version of the kernel. -[474.82 --> 475.14] And of course, -[475.16 --> 475.76] that just doesn't work -[475.76 --> 476.44] very well with Arch. -[476.86 --> 478.14] So I think it is a little trickier -[478.14 --> 478.54] in the cloud. -[478.60 --> 479.84] And it's not a 100% solution. -[480.42 --> 481.86] And what I was just advocating -[481.86 --> 482.92] now, I guess, here -[482.92 --> 483.66] and in that episode -[483.66 --> 484.68] of Linux Unplugged -[484.68 --> 487.90] is let's not mock people -[487.90 --> 489.06] for their choice of distribution. -[489.24 --> 489.96] There's functionality -[489.96 --> 491.34] behind everything -[491.34 --> 493.38] and like perfectly good reasons -[493.38 --> 494.44] to run SUSE as well. -[494.96 --> 496.54] My buddy on Coda Radio, Mike, -[496.92 --> 498.30] that's what he prefers to run. -[498.40 --> 499.86] He likes SUSE in the enterprise. -[500.08 --> 501.70] He runs Pop! OS on his desktop -[501.70 --> 503.42] and SUSE in the rack. -[503.60 --> 504.96] And that works really well for him. -[505.40 --> 506.46] It's not like we're trying -[506.46 --> 507.38] to create a -[507.38 --> 509.08] this distribution is better debate. -[509.36 --> 510.46] What we're trying to say is -[510.46 --> 511.84] let's include everybody -[511.84 --> 512.72] in the conversation -[512.72 --> 513.76] and not mock people -[513.76 --> 515.58] for their choice of distribution. -[516.00 --> 517.26] And as a couple -[517.26 --> 518.28] of counter-narrative guys, -[518.36 --> 519.74] I guess we happen to find Arch -[519.74 --> 520.70] actually works pretty well -[520.70 --> 521.88] if you're willing to maintain it. -[523.62 --> 525.94] Linode.com slash SSH. -[526.04 --> 527.14] Go there to get a $100 -[527.14 --> 528.14] 60-day credit -[528.14 --> 528.88] towards a new account. -[529.00 --> 530.86] Yeah, $100 in credit -[530.86 --> 531.38] to play with. -[531.72 --> 532.12] And of course, -[532.12 --> 533.08] you're supporting the show -[533.08 --> 535.50] by going to linode.com slash SSH. -[535.70 --> 536.70] That's where we set up -[536.70 --> 537.58] all of our infrastructure -[537.58 --> 538.68] for JB 3.0. -[538.80 --> 539.62] If we're playing around -[539.62 --> 541.22] for something like SSH, -[541.30 --> 542.52] like segment work or something, -[542.94 --> 544.54] yeah, we do that up on Linode. -[544.64 --> 545.84] And speaking of Arch, -[545.88 --> 546.74] one of the great things -[546.74 --> 547.46] about Linode -[547.46 --> 548.48] is they let you pick -[548.48 --> 549.40] just about any distribution -[549.40 --> 549.92] you want. -[549.98 --> 550.56] They have Arch. -[550.94 --> 551.52] They got, I mean, -[551.52 --> 552.04] they got everything. -[552.16 --> 553.18] Alpine, Debian, -[554.08 --> 554.86] CentOS, SUSE, -[555.30 --> 556.18] Ubuntu's, of course. -[556.46 --> 557.08] I mean, they got like -[557.08 --> 558.06] everything up there. -[558.44 --> 559.52] Even some Fedora -[559.52 --> 561.02] for you crazy kids out there. -[561.14 --> 562.58] You can run it up on Linode. -[562.66 --> 563.66] They've been in this game -[563.66 --> 564.70] since 2003. -[564.88 --> 566.32] They've learned what works -[566.32 --> 567.40] and they've learned -[567.40 --> 568.34] what doesn't work. -[568.38 --> 569.40] And they were doing that -[569.40 --> 571.10] years before everybody else. -[571.26 --> 572.58] And they've really managed -[572.58 --> 573.44] to modernize it -[573.44 --> 575.30] with a beautiful cloud dashboard -[575.30 --> 576.22] that makes it approachable -[576.22 --> 576.60] to somebody -[576.60 --> 577.88] who's brand new to servers -[577.88 --> 579.56] or maybe you're like -[579.56 --> 580.28] a longtime pro. -[580.68 --> 581.22] You're going to love -[581.22 --> 582.40] the way this dashboard works. -[582.52 --> 582.76] Of course, -[582.80 --> 584.44] they have native SSD storage, -[584.54 --> 585.48] 40 gigabit connections -[585.48 --> 586.56] coming into the machines. -[586.96 --> 588.30] It's all super fast. -[588.56 --> 589.38] And because they've been around -[589.38 --> 590.34] since 2003, -[590.52 --> 592.46] they've got some great locations. -[592.62 --> 593.72] Like, think about that, right? -[593.74 --> 594.50] They can leverage -[594.50 --> 595.28] their experience, -[595.40 --> 596.08] their relationships -[596.08 --> 597.94] in a way that nobody else can -[597.94 --> 598.82] because they've been -[598.82 --> 599.62] in cloud computing -[599.62 --> 600.94] before it was cloud computing. -[601.20 --> 602.10] 11 data centers -[602.10 --> 602.88] around the world. -[603.12 --> 603.76] We got an email -[603.76 --> 604.88] into the show from James. -[605.76 --> 606.10] He said, -[606.16 --> 606.92] I wanted to set up -[606.92 --> 608.56] an SMTP relay -[608.56 --> 610.08] at my previous -[610.08 --> 611.70] VPS provider, -[612.30 --> 614.20] but because they were -[614.20 --> 615.28] kind of, you know, -[615.48 --> 617.00] trying to be competitive -[617.00 --> 617.58] in the market, -[617.72 --> 618.78] they ended up -[618.78 --> 619.66] with not the best -[619.66 --> 620.66] IP reputation -[620.66 --> 621.76] and they ended up -[621.76 --> 622.28] getting blocked -[622.28 --> 622.92] by Microsoft. -[623.20 --> 624.10] And so then he spun up -[624.10 --> 625.60] another box on their system -[625.60 --> 626.68] and that also got blocked -[626.68 --> 627.42] by Microsoft. -[629.12 --> 629.62] He's like, -[629.64 --> 630.54] I couldn't even find them -[630.54 --> 631.58] on any public blacklist. -[631.64 --> 632.88] Yet Microsoft just started -[632.88 --> 634.78] blacklisting all of these IPs. -[634.78 --> 635.70] So I decided I'd go over -[635.70 --> 636.24] to Linode -[636.24 --> 638.44] and try a Linode over there -[638.44 --> 639.14] and support the show. -[639.22 --> 639.88] So he goes to -[639.88 --> 641.56] linode.com slash SSH. -[641.70 --> 642.94] He spins up a system -[642.94 --> 643.34] on Linode -[643.34 --> 643.86] and he discovers, -[644.06 --> 644.34] oh, -[644.34 --> 646.44] Linode has a policy -[646.44 --> 647.16] where they block -[647.16 --> 648.66] all SMTP related ports -[648.66 --> 649.32] by default. -[649.46 --> 650.06] Oh, well, -[650.36 --> 651.20] I guess I'll email support -[651.20 --> 652.14] and see what they say. -[652.28 --> 652.92] So he sends off -[652.92 --> 653.88] a quick email to support. -[654.06 --> 655.48] He gets a prompt response -[655.48 --> 656.06] later -[656.06 --> 657.66] and they open up the ports -[657.66 --> 658.52] and everything -[658.52 --> 659.80] is working perfectly. -[660.42 --> 660.86] He goes, -[661.44 --> 663.04] then a few days later, -[663.04 --> 664.18] I finally got a response -[664.18 --> 665.38] from my original provider -[665.38 --> 666.54] with some canned email -[666.54 --> 667.52] that didn't help it at all. -[667.58 --> 668.38] I reply to that. -[668.58 --> 670.46] I got another canned email response -[670.46 --> 671.44] and that was it. -[671.44 --> 672.24] I just gave up -[672.24 --> 673.32] and I'm moving everything -[673.32 --> 674.18] over to Linode. -[674.44 --> 676.14] They're genuinely just great -[676.14 --> 678.34] and I've gotten so many notes -[678.34 --> 678.68] into the show -[678.68 --> 679.80] that talk about Linode support. -[679.96 --> 680.50] It's not an aspect -[680.50 --> 681.32] I touch on a lot -[681.32 --> 682.32] but it really matters -[682.32 --> 683.24] once you get up and running, -[683.38 --> 684.72] especially if you've got -[684.72 --> 685.66] some important infrastructure -[685.66 --> 686.08] on there. -[686.34 --> 686.98] So go check them out. -[687.08 --> 689.16] Linode.com slash SSH. -[689.16 --> 692.22] Now I know you covered -[692.22 --> 693.58] some stuff about LastPass -[693.58 --> 695.24] in Linux Unplugged. -[695.28 --> 697.60] This is like Linux Unplugged Plus -[697.60 --> 698.58] this episode, isn't it? -[699.68 --> 701.60] But LastPass have been doing -[701.60 --> 702.52] some shenanigans -[702.52 --> 704.28] with their free tiers and stuff. -[704.40 --> 705.76] I think we've all been expecting this -[705.76 --> 706.80] for quite a long time -[706.80 --> 709.16] since they were acquired. -[709.82 --> 711.46] Now they are limiting -[711.46 --> 713.84] the access -[713.84 --> 715.90] to unlimited devices -[715.90 --> 716.86] of one type. -[717.36 --> 718.72] So to clarify what that means -[718.72 --> 720.26] is you can access -[720.26 --> 721.36] LastPass free -[721.36 --> 723.30] on an unlimited number -[723.30 --> 723.98] of computers -[723.98 --> 725.74] or an unlimited number -[725.74 --> 727.00] of mobile devices -[727.00 --> 728.20] but not both -[728.20 --> 729.14] on their free tier. -[729.86 --> 730.72] I say enough. -[731.04 --> 732.14] I say that stinks. -[732.44 --> 733.50] And we have a recommendation -[733.50 --> 734.14] for you. -[734.64 --> 735.00] I agree. -[735.20 --> 736.12] I mean the price right now -[736.12 --> 737.06] is kind of reasonable. -[737.30 --> 738.04] It's like what? -[738.20 --> 739.04] Four bucks a year -[739.04 --> 739.60] or something? -[740.16 --> 741.16] It's not outrageous -[741.16 --> 742.70] for a year. -[742.92 --> 743.18] I mean -[743.18 --> 744.72] but it stinks -[744.72 --> 745.80] the way it's going about. -[746.54 --> 747.14] And I agree. -[747.38 --> 748.40] It's time to look -[748.40 --> 749.04] at an alternative -[749.04 --> 749.94] and this is -[749.94 --> 751.04] the self-hosted podcast -[751.04 --> 752.98] and I think both of us -[752.98 --> 754.52] landed on Bitwarden -[754.52 --> 755.38] pretty quickly. -[755.96 --> 757.36] I have some trepidation -[757.36 --> 757.82] here though. -[757.82 --> 758.52] Hold on a minute. -[758.64 --> 759.50] I think LastPass -[759.50 --> 761.08] is $27 a year. -[761.74 --> 763.76] It's $2.25 a month -[763.76 --> 764.54] billed annually. -[765.46 --> 766.38] Oh you're kidding me. -[766.72 --> 766.86] Yeah. -[767.08 --> 767.88] Oh jeez. -[767.98 --> 768.18] Okay. -[769.20 --> 771.02] Ah yeah you're right. -[771.12 --> 771.46] So that's -[771.46 --> 772.36] that's not nearly -[772.36 --> 773.34] the deal I thought it was. -[773.40 --> 774.06] That's a bad deal. -[774.06 --> 775.84] Especially when -[775.84 --> 776.94] Bitwarden is only -[776.94 --> 778.28] $10 a year. -[778.52 --> 779.06] That's if you -[779.06 --> 780.38] buy an annual plan. -[781.08 --> 781.90] But if you don't -[781.90 --> 783.00] even want to do that -[783.00 --> 784.86] you can self-host -[784.86 --> 785.98] the Bitwarden -[785.98 --> 786.76] server -[786.76 --> 787.78] which is just -[787.78 --> 788.96] so cool. -[789.38 --> 789.56] Yeah. -[789.70 --> 791.20] I really love seeing this -[791.20 --> 791.72] and -[791.72 --> 793.08] I know it's a little -[793.08 --> 793.94] complicated. -[794.22 --> 795.12] I think it requires -[795.12 --> 795.60] SQL -[795.60 --> 796.98] among other things. -[797.14 --> 798.10] So the community -[798.10 --> 798.68] has come up -[798.68 --> 799.46] with an alternative. -[799.46 --> 800.58] Yeah there's a project -[800.58 --> 801.94] called Bitwarden RS -[801.94 --> 803.42] which is written in Rust. -[804.42 --> 805.10] Where's Wes -[805.10 --> 805.68] when you need him? -[806.98 --> 808.44] And this is a -[808.44 --> 810.50] Bitwarden server -[810.50 --> 811.04] that can run -[811.04 --> 811.66] in a container -[811.66 --> 813.16] that will essentially -[813.16 --> 815.06] perform the same role -[815.06 --> 816.34] as the $10 a year -[816.34 --> 817.80] hosted service. -[818.04 --> 818.94] The difference being -[818.94 --> 819.62] is you own -[819.62 --> 820.26] all the data -[820.26 --> 821.48] it remains -[821.48 --> 822.40] on your servers -[822.40 --> 823.18] or your VPS -[823.18 --> 823.60] or whatever. -[824.18 --> 824.74] So there's a couple -[824.74 --> 825.32] of ways you could -[825.32 --> 826.14] go about doing this. -[826.38 --> 827.38] The first and most -[827.38 --> 828.28] obvious way is to -[828.28 --> 829.04] spin up a Linode -[829.04 --> 829.96] or something like that -[829.96 --> 831.14] and throw Bitwarden -[831.14 --> 831.58] on there -[831.58 --> 833.58] and just call it good. -[833.84 --> 834.54] And because it's -[834.54 --> 835.58] your password manager -[835.58 --> 836.42] I would probably -[836.42 --> 837.82] caution against -[837.82 --> 839.14] running this -[839.14 --> 840.16] on a shared -[840.16 --> 841.36] cloud VPS. -[841.56 --> 842.18] You know if you're -[842.18 --> 843.34] hosting a ton of websites -[843.34 --> 844.98] and it's a very -[844.98 --> 845.50] public -[845.50 --> 846.96] you know VPS -[846.96 --> 848.02] I probably wouldn't -[848.02 --> 848.96] put your password manager -[848.96 --> 850.08] on that same system. -[850.36 --> 851.04] I would put it -[851.04 --> 852.14] on a separate system -[852.14 --> 853.28] just so you're -[853.28 --> 854.20] reducing the blast -[854.20 --> 855.32] radius of any bots -[855.32 --> 855.74] or anything -[855.74 --> 856.68] doing something crazy -[856.68 --> 857.92] with the web servers. -[857.92 --> 859.36] The other thing -[859.36 --> 860.00] you can do -[860.00 --> 860.98] is run it -[860.98 --> 861.90] on your LAN -[861.90 --> 862.48] and I think -[862.48 --> 863.58] the running -[863.58 --> 864.18] it on a separate -[864.18 --> 864.88] system becomes -[864.88 --> 865.70] less important -[865.70 --> 866.24] when it's on -[866.24 --> 867.46] your network. -[868.08 --> 868.82] And the idea -[868.82 --> 869.80] of running it -[869.80 --> 870.58] on your LAN -[870.58 --> 871.08] of course -[871.08 --> 872.58] is that your data -[872.58 --> 873.48] never leaves -[873.48 --> 874.36] your house -[874.36 --> 875.00] right? -[875.18 --> 875.84] And that will -[875.84 --> 876.20] hopefully -[876.20 --> 877.64] reduce -[877.64 --> 878.50] the risk -[878.50 --> 879.16] even further. -[879.66 --> 880.56] Now the downside -[880.56 --> 881.70] of running your own -[881.70 --> 882.46] password manager -[882.46 --> 882.86] backend -[882.86 --> 883.68] is you've got to -[883.68 --> 884.54] configure secure -[884.54 --> 885.34] access to it. -[885.34 --> 886.50] So that could be -[886.50 --> 887.46] using WireGuard -[887.46 --> 889.10] or some other -[889.10 --> 890.08] kind of authentication -[890.08 --> 890.84] through SSH -[890.84 --> 891.70] or something like that. -[892.04 --> 892.72] But ultimately -[892.72 --> 893.18] you're going to want -[893.18 --> 893.92] to be really careful -[893.92 --> 894.74] and really sure -[894.74 --> 895.28] you know what you're -[895.28 --> 896.18] doing from a security -[896.18 --> 896.74] perspective -[896.74 --> 898.00] before you start -[898.00 --> 898.70] going and storing -[898.70 --> 899.32] all your passwords -[899.32 --> 900.80] on a public system. -[901.50 --> 901.82] That's where you -[901.82 --> 902.56] could make the argument -[902.56 --> 903.36] that it could just -[903.36 --> 904.12] be worth paying -[904.12 --> 904.82] for their -[904.82 --> 906.18] hosted service. -[906.92 --> 907.82] And this is where -[907.82 --> 908.82] I'm currently -[908.82 --> 909.76] experiencing my -[909.76 --> 910.32] trepidation. -[910.52 --> 912.44] I 100% know -[912.44 --> 913.66] I could self-host it. -[913.66 --> 914.90] And the nice thing -[914.90 --> 915.54] about this Rust -[915.54 --> 916.38] version of their -[916.38 --> 917.00] server is -[917.00 --> 918.32] really minimal -[918.32 --> 918.84] resources. -[918.84 --> 919.40] So you could -[919.40 --> 919.90] really run it -[919.90 --> 920.66] on anything. -[920.82 --> 921.62] So I could run -[921.62 --> 922.56] it on my Raspberry Pi -[922.56 --> 923.30] or I could run it -[923.30 --> 924.00] easily here on the -[924.00 --> 924.70] server at the studio. -[925.22 --> 926.84] But I'm not sure -[926.84 --> 927.78] I want to. -[928.30 --> 928.44] You know, -[928.48 --> 928.96] there's something -[928.96 --> 930.02] about the -[930.02 --> 931.26] master password -[931.26 --> 931.70] vault. -[932.06 --> 932.80] It's such a -[932.80 --> 934.00] sacred responsibility -[934.00 --> 936.76] that I almost -[936.76 --> 937.40] trust an -[937.40 --> 938.18] organization like -[938.18 --> 939.58] Bitwarden to be -[939.58 --> 940.58] more focused on -[940.58 --> 941.12] securing that -[941.12 --> 942.10] platform than I am. -[942.18 --> 943.28] Not that I really -[943.28 --> 944.06] have no concerns -[944.06 --> 944.76] about our security. -[945.00 --> 945.42] Really? -[946.30 --> 946.78] But there's -[946.78 --> 947.52] something that -[947.52 --> 948.18] still gives me -[948.18 --> 948.70] pause. -[949.12 --> 949.48] They've got one -[949.48 --> 950.28] job to do. -[950.42 --> 951.60] And I've actually -[951.60 --> 952.50] paid Bitwarden -[952.50 --> 953.44] the $10 a year -[953.44 --> 954.68] for two or three, -[954.82 --> 955.48] maybe four years -[955.48 --> 955.94] at this point. -[956.38 --> 956.94] I've been very, -[957.06 --> 957.44] very happy. -[957.64 --> 958.50] It just does the -[958.50 --> 958.78] job. -[958.94 --> 959.62] I never have to -[959.62 --> 960.36] think about it. -[960.68 --> 961.06] All of the -[961.06 --> 962.10] autofill stuff on -[962.10 --> 962.88] Android and iOS -[962.88 --> 963.50] just works -[963.50 --> 964.58] fantastically well. -[965.34 --> 965.58] You know, -[965.64 --> 966.88] $10 is that kind -[966.88 --> 968.34] of screw it -[968.34 --> 969.36] amount of money -[969.36 --> 969.92] when it's spread -[969.92 --> 970.86] over an entire year. -[971.00 --> 971.14] You know, -[971.18 --> 971.68] it's less than a -[971.68 --> 972.28] dollar a month. -[972.28 --> 973.72] And to just -[973.72 --> 974.56] not have to worry -[974.56 --> 975.20] about it and to -[975.20 --> 975.74] just not have to -[975.74 --> 976.48] think about it for -[976.48 --> 978.00] what, 80, 90 cents -[978.00 --> 978.44] a month, -[978.88 --> 979.82] that's worth it for me. -[980.06 --> 981.22] It reminds me of -[981.22 --> 982.20] why I kind of like -[982.20 --> 983.74] supporting Nebukasa -[983.74 --> 985.14] and how supporting -[985.14 --> 986.66] Nebukasa goes into -[986.66 --> 987.10] home assistant -[987.10 --> 987.62] development and -[987.62 --> 988.22] makes home assistant -[988.22 --> 988.56] better. -[988.88 --> 990.16] By subscribing to -[990.16 --> 990.90] Bitwarden, you're -[990.90 --> 991.88] helping them come up -[991.88 --> 992.40] with a sustainable -[992.40 --> 993.38] business model that -[993.38 --> 994.36] encourages them to -[994.36 --> 995.00] make the password -[995.00 --> 996.16] manager better and -[996.16 --> 996.92] keep their service -[996.92 --> 997.32] secure. -[997.32 --> 999.14] So it incentivizes -[999.14 --> 1000.14] the right things -[1000.14 --> 1001.56] and on top of that -[1001.56 --> 1002.02] it means I don't -[1002.02 --> 1002.56] have to host it -[1002.56 --> 1002.86] myself. -[1003.04 --> 1003.56] I haven't actually -[1003.56 --> 1004.40] made my decision -[1004.40 --> 1006.24] because I have -[1006.24 --> 1007.40] kept a lot of -[1007.40 --> 1008.38] business stuff in -[1008.38 --> 1009.30] LastPass for a -[1009.30 --> 1009.52] while. -[1009.66 --> 1010.16] I know I like -[1010.16 --> 1010.88] Bitwarden so I've -[1010.88 --> 1011.46] always thought that's -[1011.46 --> 1012.08] what I would jump -[1012.08 --> 1012.36] to. -[1013.20 --> 1013.74] And so I went over -[1013.74 --> 1015.18] to their subscription -[1015.18 --> 1016.50] pricing page and -[1016.50 --> 1017.26] they also offer -[1017.26 --> 1018.80] team plans for as -[1018.80 --> 1019.46] little as like $3 -[1019.46 --> 1020.58] per user and that's -[1020.58 --> 1021.74] still pretty reasonable. -[1022.54 --> 1023.22] So I think that might -[1023.22 --> 1023.96] be the direction I -[1023.96 --> 1024.50] end up going. -[1024.70 --> 1025.28] I'm going to research -[1025.28 --> 1025.96] more about how -[1025.96 --> 1026.92] they host it first -[1026.92 --> 1029.08] because I know a -[1029.08 --> 1030.24] big use case for me -[1030.24 --> 1031.52] a really big use -[1031.52 --> 1032.06] case for me is -[1032.06 --> 1032.82] mobile access. -[1033.40 --> 1034.08] It's such a -[1034.08 --> 1034.84] crapshoot with me. -[1034.96 --> 1035.88] I don't just connect -[1035.88 --> 1036.96] from one machine. -[1037.20 --> 1038.28] It's just ridiculous -[1038.28 --> 1039.00] especially when you -[1039.00 --> 1040.04] bring in like -[1040.04 --> 1041.38] traveling or setting -[1041.38 --> 1042.08] up family member -[1042.08 --> 1042.80] systems or. -[1043.18 --> 1043.64] And hosts. -[1043.98 --> 1044.62] Yeah it's just -[1044.62 --> 1045.34] it's ridiculous. -[1045.62 --> 1047.56] So I kind of like -[1047.56 --> 1048.40] the idea of something -[1048.40 --> 1048.94] where I'm not -[1048.94 --> 1050.06] handing out WireGuard -[1050.06 --> 1051.18] connections to 15 -[1051.18 --> 1052.02] different people so -[1052.02 --> 1052.58] that way they can -[1052.58 --> 1053.38] access the central -[1053.38 --> 1054.34] password database. -[1054.34 --> 1055.80] And don't forget -[1055.80 --> 1056.48] as well generally -[1056.48 --> 1057.28] the time when you -[1057.28 --> 1058.22] need Bitwarden the -[1058.22 --> 1059.00] most is when your -[1059.00 --> 1060.08] device is completely -[1060.08 --> 1061.50] brand new or empty. -[1062.16 --> 1062.26] Right. -[1062.66 --> 1063.48] And so you've always -[1063.48 --> 1064.26] got that awkward -[1064.26 --> 1065.30] first 10 minutes -[1065.30 --> 1065.88] where you're getting -[1065.88 --> 1066.94] you know your two -[1066.94 --> 1067.96] factor auth set up -[1067.96 --> 1068.86] again and your -[1068.86 --> 1069.86] Bitwarden whatever -[1069.86 --> 1070.60] set up again. -[1071.18 --> 1071.74] And once you've got -[1071.74 --> 1072.40] those two things -[1072.40 --> 1072.98] you're good to go -[1072.98 --> 1074.54] generally but yeah I -[1074.54 --> 1075.08] can see you don't -[1075.08 --> 1075.50] want to be handing -[1075.50 --> 1076.50] that out to randos. -[1077.04 --> 1077.50] If you do want to -[1077.50 --> 1078.06] self host it though -[1078.06 --> 1079.22] Alex like somebody -[1079.22 --> 1079.86] in our audience who -[1079.86 --> 1080.36] may have a different -[1080.36 --> 1081.74] use case it's easier -[1081.74 --> 1082.70] than ever now because -[1082.70 --> 1083.74] the Bitwarden -[1083.74 --> 1084.80] Rust server has a -[1084.80 --> 1086.12] Docker image fully -[1086.12 --> 1087.64] up to date as of -[1087.64 --> 1088.82] like 19 hours ago as -[1088.82 --> 1089.50] we record this. -[1089.98 --> 1091.16] It's like the old -[1091.16 --> 1092.52] proverb if something -[1092.52 --> 1093.56] isn't Dockerized at -[1093.56 --> 1094.20] this point does it -[1094.20 --> 1094.82] even exist? -[1095.78 --> 1096.74] Now another nice -[1096.74 --> 1097.60] thing that I do with -[1097.60 --> 1098.30] Bitwarden is I -[1098.30 --> 1098.72] actually share -[1098.72 --> 1099.54] passwords with my -[1099.54 --> 1099.84] wife. -[1100.06 --> 1100.92] She has a Bitwarden. -[1101.30 --> 1101.80] I don't think she -[1101.80 --> 1102.64] pays the premium I -[1102.64 --> 1103.30] think she just has the -[1103.30 --> 1104.94] basic free account but -[1104.94 --> 1105.64] we created an -[1105.64 --> 1107.14] organization and when -[1107.14 --> 1107.86] you create a -[1107.86 --> 1109.26] particular login you -[1109.26 --> 1110.52] can assign that login -[1110.52 --> 1111.72] to an organization and -[1111.72 --> 1112.52] share it with that -[1112.52 --> 1113.14] organization. -[1113.92 --> 1114.90] So certain passwords -[1114.90 --> 1115.94] for us like Amazon, -[1116.44 --> 1117.88] eBay, you know stuff -[1117.88 --> 1118.36] that you want to -[1118.36 --> 1120.10] share goes into that -[1120.10 --> 1122.04] shared area if you -[1122.04 --> 1122.64] like that shared -[1122.64 --> 1123.52] organization and we've -[1123.52 --> 1124.58] both got access to it. -[1124.70 --> 1125.38] I find that really -[1125.38 --> 1125.74] useful. -[1126.24 --> 1126.86] There's of course other -[1126.86 --> 1127.72] solutions out there. -[1127.84 --> 1128.70] Another beloved one in -[1128.70 --> 1129.38] the audience is -[1129.38 --> 1130.70] KeePass and KeePassX -[1130.70 --> 1132.36] and there's several -[1132.36 --> 1134.06] solutions to this but -[1134.06 --> 1135.08] Bitwarden is the one we -[1135.08 --> 1136.10] both landed on I think -[1136.10 --> 1137.60] in part because of the -[1137.60 --> 1138.56] UI, the browser -[1138.56 --> 1140.24] integration, the ability -[1140.24 --> 1142.12] to self-host and the -[1142.12 --> 1143.00] quality of the mobile -[1143.00 --> 1144.20] apps all kind of come -[1144.20 --> 1145.02] together to make it our -[1145.02 --> 1145.62] favorite choice. -[1146.16 --> 1146.80] So whilst we're sort of -[1146.80 --> 1147.86] kind of on the topic of -[1147.86 --> 1149.44] security, why don't we -[1149.44 --> 1151.70] discuss the Plex hoopla -[1151.70 --> 1152.68] that's been going on as -[1152.68 --> 1155.42] well about this botnet -[1155.42 --> 1156.26] thing that's been -[1156.26 --> 1157.70] amplifying stuff across -[1157.70 --> 1158.16] the internet? -[1158.16 --> 1159.50] It just stinks because -[1159.50 --> 1160.86] you know you got a Plex -[1160.86 --> 1162.28] server going, you've -[1162.28 --> 1163.02] opened it up to the -[1163.02 --> 1163.74] internet so that way you -[1163.74 --> 1164.40] can share it. -[1164.78 --> 1165.94] Some scanner finds your -[1165.94 --> 1167.74] server, indexes it and -[1167.74 --> 1168.84] then some botnet author -[1168.84 --> 1170.88] figures out a way to -[1170.88 --> 1171.78] take advantage of a -[1171.78 --> 1172.98] vulnerability in Plex to -[1172.98 --> 1174.86] amplify by a factor of -[1174.86 --> 1177.28] five their DDoS traffic. -[1177.50 --> 1179.48] They kind of corral all of -[1179.48 --> 1180.36] these different Plex -[1180.36 --> 1182.54] installs together to kind -[1182.54 --> 1183.90] of do this amplified -[1183.90 --> 1185.30] attack against a single -[1185.30 --> 1186.64] source and just happened -[1186.64 --> 1187.50] the last week as we're -[1187.50 --> 1188.20] recording this. -[1188.60 --> 1189.90] NetScout said that there -[1189.90 --> 1191.02] was a DDoS for hire -[1191.02 --> 1192.62] service that recently -[1192.62 --> 1194.16] turned misconfigured Plex -[1194.16 --> 1195.34] media servers into -[1195.34 --> 1196.74] amplifying attack servers. -[1196.74 --> 1198.72] Rut roll. -[1199.20 --> 1200.26] Yeah, not only does it -[1200.26 --> 1201.20] suck up all of your -[1201.20 --> 1202.40] bandwidth and attack -[1202.40 --> 1203.50] somebody but it also -[1203.50 --> 1204.64] runs your server like -[1204.64 --> 1205.06] crazy. -[1205.38 --> 1206.50] It's just bad. -[1206.98 --> 1207.90] Yeah, what really kind -[1207.90 --> 1209.30] of, I don't want to use -[1209.30 --> 1210.90] the word scared me, but -[1210.90 --> 1212.06] I suppose so, you know, -[1212.26 --> 1213.38] gave me cause for a -[1213.38 --> 1215.80] concern at least was just -[1215.80 --> 1218.78] opening port 32400, -[1218.96 --> 1222.52] 32400 on TCP, just -[1222.52 --> 1224.26] opening that port alone is -[1224.26 --> 1225.58] enough to be vulnerable -[1225.58 --> 1226.30] because it's such a -[1226.30 --> 1226.94] common port. -[1227.64 --> 1228.68] People will scan it and -[1228.68 --> 1229.58] find it and then be like, -[1229.64 --> 1230.34] oh, this guy's running -[1230.34 --> 1230.74] Plex. -[1231.10 --> 1231.24] Yeah. -[1231.48 --> 1233.14] So what I've done since -[1233.14 --> 1234.38] this vulnerability to -[1234.38 --> 1235.62] kind of remove myself -[1235.62 --> 1239.06] from the risk factor is -[1239.06 --> 1239.96] I've closed that port in -[1239.96 --> 1241.10] my firewall and I have -[1241.10 --> 1242.74] started to define a -[1242.74 --> 1244.66] custom server URL in my -[1244.66 --> 1245.68] Plex server settings. -[1245.68 --> 1248.04] And I set a DNS entry in -[1248.04 --> 1248.56] Cloudflare. -[1249.24 --> 1251.00] That then points to my -[1251.00 --> 1251.64] WAN IP. -[1252.60 --> 1254.20] From there, that then -[1254.20 --> 1256.00] points to a traffic -[1256.00 --> 1257.12] instance that's running on -[1257.12 --> 1257.94] the same server as -[1257.94 --> 1258.28] Plex. -[1259.00 --> 1260.22] And from there, it does a -[1260.22 --> 1261.72] standard reverse proxy -[1261.72 --> 1263.54] thing and just does the -[1263.54 --> 1265.32] remote access as if I was -[1265.32 --> 1267.16] going through port 32400 -[1267.16 --> 1269.08] like I was last month. -[1269.56 --> 1271.78] Very easy fix and I highly -[1271.78 --> 1272.76] recommend you take a look -[1272.76 --> 1273.16] into that. -[1273.16 --> 1274.06] That's a great idea -[1274.06 --> 1275.36] because Netscout said that -[1275.36 --> 1276.30] after a scan they -[1276.30 --> 1277.20] conducted, they found -[1277.20 --> 1279.26] about 27,000 servers on -[1279.26 --> 1280.06] the internet that can be -[1280.06 --> 1281.08] abused this way. -[1281.80 --> 1283.16] So it doesn't mean you -[1283.16 --> 1284.00] have to shut off remote -[1284.00 --> 1286.46] Plex, but it does mean -[1286.46 --> 1287.18] you should probably take -[1287.18 --> 1287.96] some steps to protect -[1287.96 --> 1288.30] yourself. -[1288.72 --> 1289.50] Yeah, just put it behind -[1289.50 --> 1290.24] a reverse proxy. -[1290.40 --> 1291.00] I mean, it doesn't have -[1291.00 --> 1291.46] to be traffic. -[1291.62 --> 1292.28] It could be Nginx. -[1292.38 --> 1292.84] It could be whatever. -[1293.22 --> 1296.02] But just don't open any -[1296.02 --> 1296.84] ports in your firewall. -[1296.96 --> 1297.96] You absolutely don't -[1297.96 --> 1298.44] need to. -[1298.92 --> 1300.18] Which actually brings me -[1300.18 --> 1301.62] very nicely onto a very, -[1301.76 --> 1302.48] very quick bit of -[1302.48 --> 1303.14] follow up about the -[1303.14 --> 1304.36] WireGuard rant I had -[1304.36 --> 1306.08] last week on OpenSense. -[1307.24 --> 1308.94] Turns out, like an -[1308.94 --> 1312.02] idiot, I set a slash 16 -[1312.02 --> 1313.96] subnet in my DHCP server. -[1314.82 --> 1315.48] Now for those that don't -[1315.48 --> 1316.60] know, what that means is -[1316.60 --> 1319.96] every address from 192.168.0 -[1319.96 --> 1323.70] all the way up to 192.168.255 -[1323.70 --> 1326.56] was within my DHCP range. -[1326.70 --> 1328.74] So I had 65,000 or whatever -[1328.74 --> 1330.24] DHCP addresses available. -[1331.24 --> 1332.92] The upshot of that was when -[1332.92 --> 1334.24] I was trying to route through -[1334.24 --> 1337.50] WireGuard, I was doing a 192.168.13 -[1337.50 --> 1338.54] subnet. -[1339.16 --> 1341.54] And so the remote servers were -[1341.54 --> 1343.64] hearing that were receiving the -[1343.64 --> 1344.88] commands from my laptop or my -[1344.88 --> 1345.42] phone or whatever. -[1345.92 --> 1347.66] But they didn't know how to route -[1347.66 --> 1349.68] back to the client device because -[1349.68 --> 1351.14] as far as they were concerned, the -[1351.14 --> 1352.70] slash 16 overrode everything and -[1352.70 --> 1353.72] it just thought everything was on -[1353.72 --> 1354.08] the LAN. -[1354.08 --> 1357.02] So what I did was I changed the -[1357.02 --> 1360.12] subnet of the WireGuard VPN to a -[1360.12 --> 1361.12] 10.something. -[1361.74 --> 1362.94] So it was a completely different -[1362.94 --> 1365.14] subnet and I reduced my slash 16 -[1365.14 --> 1367.14] down to a more manageable slash 20. -[1367.62 --> 1368.92] So I've only got a few thousand, like -[1368.92 --> 1370.98] 4,000 addresses now instead of -[1370.98 --> 1371.96] 65,000. -[1372.08 --> 1373.38] I think that should tie me over for a -[1373.38 --> 1373.72] bit, right? -[1374.08 --> 1374.60] Nicely done. -[1375.02 --> 1376.58] I definitely always suggest if -[1376.58 --> 1379.30] people can, different subnets for -[1379.30 --> 1381.68] the different VPN endpoints makes it -[1381.68 --> 1383.90] so much simpler, you know, and I've -[1383.90 --> 1385.40] tried, I've tried to do that myself -[1385.40 --> 1387.84] so many times because it can solve -[1387.84 --> 1390.76] you just a few simple problems and -[1390.76 --> 1392.74] keeps it a little clear in your -[1392.74 --> 1393.02] head. -[1393.18 --> 1396.12] Like I know that the studio is .4 -[1396.12 --> 1399.84] and home is .7 and the WireGuard -[1399.84 --> 1401.42] network is actually a .10 network. -[1401.54 --> 1402.50] It's all separated out. -[1402.86 --> 1402.96] Yeah. -[1403.02 --> 1404.20] So I just wanted to be absolutely -[1404.20 --> 1406.16] clear that the problem was the user -[1406.16 --> 1408.50] not OpenSense or WireGuard. -[1408.60 --> 1409.80] It was totally my fault. -[1409.80 --> 1412.92] And I owe a huge debt of gratitude to -[1412.92 --> 1414.18] one of our listeners who reached out -[1414.18 --> 1418.04] to me on Discord and did a screen -[1418.04 --> 1419.16] share with me and walked me through -[1419.16 --> 1420.40] it for half an hour because he works -[1420.40 --> 1423.32] in security down in Charlotte in -[1423.32 --> 1423.88] North Carolina. -[1424.56 --> 1426.12] And he sort of taught me some new -[1426.12 --> 1427.88] stuff about, you know, networking and -[1427.88 --> 1428.88] triage and that kind of stuff. -[1428.94 --> 1429.56] So that was pretty cool. -[1429.62 --> 1431.70] So huge thank you to that listener. -[1432.24 --> 1434.06] Sounds like somebody we should buy a -[1434.06 --> 1436.78] beer for when community events happen -[1436.78 --> 1437.10] again. -[1437.44 --> 1437.88] One day. -[1438.68 --> 1439.08] Yeah. -[1439.80 --> 1442.06] Well, if you'd like to learn -[1442.06 --> 1444.18] networking or anything else, ACG has -[1444.18 --> 1447.16] 20% off annual plans right now. -[1447.28 --> 1448.56] We'll have a link in the show notes -[1448.56 --> 1450.10] or just go to 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learners say that a cloud guru's -[1485.32 --> 1487.08] tools and content directly help them -[1487.08 --> 1488.22] advance their careers. -[1488.54 --> 1489.72] Spring into cloud21. -[1489.90 --> 1490.82] Link in the show notes or go to -[1490.82 --> 1492.20] cloudguru.com. -[1494.48 --> 1496.98] Ryan writes in with an IGPU question. -[1497.46 --> 1498.00] Hey there, friends. -[1498.08 --> 1499.12] I'm a big fan of the show. -[1499.72 --> 1501.50] I currently am in the process of building -[1501.50 --> 1503.10] an off-grid house in New Zealand. -[1503.42 --> 1504.88] Oh, that's the dream. -[1504.88 --> 1505.44] I know. -[1506.00 --> 1506.40] Right? -[1506.66 --> 1507.04] Amazing. -[1507.32 --> 1508.10] Can we come visit? -[1509.06 --> 1510.26] Self-hosted on tour. -[1511.08 --> 1513.32] Power consumption is key, so I want a -[1513.32 --> 1514.82] small box to run basically everything -[1514.82 --> 1516.62] I need, which thankfully isn't going to -[1516.62 --> 1517.36] be that much. -[1517.80 --> 1520.24] My question is, is it possible to run a -[1520.24 --> 1522.44] Linux server and pass through an IGPU to -[1522.44 --> 1525.42] a Windows VM for Blue Iris, while still -[1525.42 --> 1527.32] using the IGPU for containerized -[1527.32 --> 1528.60] applications like Plex? -[1529.24 --> 1531.26] I can't seem to see any problem with -[1531.26 --> 1533.08] this in theory, but wonder if you have -[1533.08 --> 1533.72] any ideas. -[1534.16 --> 1534.92] Love your work. -[1535.22 --> 1535.58] Ryan. -[1536.62 --> 1537.88] What do you think about this one? -[1537.98 --> 1539.90] I have also contemplated, is there a -[1539.90 --> 1541.52] way I can have my cake and eat it too -[1541.52 --> 1544.10] when it comes to an IGPU and a low -[1544.10 --> 1544.66] power system? -[1545.08 --> 1546.58] I thought I'd solve this problem. -[1546.64 --> 1547.94] I thought I had the answer. -[1548.46 --> 1551.50] And it was a technology called GVT-G, -[1551.50 --> 1555.20] which is a virtual graphics card kind -[1555.20 --> 1557.84] of slicing thing that basically lets you -[1557.84 --> 1561.58] take an Intel GPU built into your CPU -[1561.58 --> 1564.62] and slice it up into two slices and give -[1564.62 --> 1566.14] one to one VM and one to another. -[1566.34 --> 1569.04] So the obvious use case for that is to -[1569.04 --> 1571.66] give one slice to a Windows VM for Blue -[1571.66 --> 1574.14] Iris and then give the other slice to -[1574.14 --> 1576.84] another Linux VM for Plex and then keep -[1576.84 --> 1578.06] the host as clean as possible. -[1578.72 --> 1578.78] Yeah. -[1579.30 --> 1581.58] However, and I've written a blog post about -[1581.58 --> 1582.36] this this week. -[1583.22 --> 1586.54] Unfortunately, the performance of GVT-G is -[1586.54 --> 1587.78] horrible. -[1589.58 --> 1593.38] I found it to be anywhere from 58 to 82% -[1593.38 --> 1595.56] slower than Quicksync being run natively -[1595.56 --> 1596.54] on the bare metal host. -[1597.16 --> 1598.16] Holy smokes. -[1598.46 --> 1599.92] I did not expect that at all. -[1600.34 --> 1600.46] Yeah. -[1600.52 --> 1602.12] So my test that I did was it was pretty -[1602.12 --> 1604.54] unscientific, but it was a very real -[1604.54 --> 1605.56] world use case for me. -[1605.56 --> 1608.76] So I used the Plex sync for offline -[1608.76 --> 1612.22] playback feature and I chose a high bit -[1612.22 --> 1612.50] rate. -[1612.62 --> 1615.78] So about a 38 megabyte a second. -[1616.44 --> 1617.54] Was it megabit? -[1617.62 --> 1618.52] I always get confused. -[1618.96 --> 1622.62] Video file encoded with MPEG-4 and H.264 -[1622.62 --> 1626.52] with a DTS master audio soundtrack. -[1626.92 --> 1631.04] And I used the four megabytes a second 720p -[1631.04 --> 1634.00] sync for offline playback option within Plex. -[1634.00 --> 1636.36] And I did that on an iPad. -[1636.90 --> 1637.90] You know, that was the client. -[1638.02 --> 1639.48] I don't think that bit really mattered too -[1639.48 --> 1641.56] much, but I did a few different tests. -[1641.68 --> 1642.86] So I did a software render. -[1643.04 --> 1647.76] So this is using the Intel i5-8500 CPU. -[1648.24 --> 1650.20] I picked that up for about a hundred dollars -[1650.20 --> 1650.88] used on eBay. -[1651.04 --> 1652.32] So it's a pretty good value. -[1652.68 --> 1653.44] Four gigahertz. -[1653.54 --> 1656.44] I think 4.1 gigahertz, six core CPU. -[1657.20 --> 1661.60] With CPU rendering only, I saw a 1.1 times -[1661.60 --> 1662.32] speed. -[1662.32 --> 1665.96] The best I saw running it natively in QuickSync -[1665.96 --> 1668.00] on the host was 10.2. -[1668.52 --> 1671.22] And then on a sliding scale between those two -[1671.22 --> 1676.86] numbers of 1 times and 10 times, with the GVTG stuff set -[1676.86 --> 1682.78] into two slice mode, I saw only about a 1.8, 1.9 times. -[1683.32 --> 1687.68] So it was faster than CPU software encoding, you know, twice as fast -[1687.68 --> 1695.28] actually, but it was 80, what, something, 82% slower than running it on the -[1695.28 --> 1695.96] bare metal host. -[1695.96 --> 1702.70] So the other problem that I ran into, besides, you know, leaving 80 plus percent performance -[1702.70 --> 1705.44] on the table, was stability. -[1705.86 --> 1708.76] Unfortunately, that wasn't a great story either. -[1709.18 --> 1715.52] The problems I ran into were, so I was running Proxmox as the base OS because the Proxmox -[1715.52 --> 1720.86] wiki actually has a really great entry about enabling GVTG and QuickSync and pass through -[1720.86 --> 1721.64] and all that kind of stuff. -[1721.64 --> 1723.58] And it was really painless to get going. -[1723.68 --> 1726.52] It only took me an hour or so to figure it all out and get it going. -[1727.38 --> 1729.50] But the stability was just not there. -[1730.02 --> 1731.92] My evidence is only anecdotal, though. -[1732.34 --> 1736.12] Because of the instability, I couldn't really get the log files that I needed -[1736.12 --> 1741.68] because the system either had to be hard reset or it was just hanging and processes were just -[1741.68 --> 1743.48] hanging or I was getting kernel panics. -[1743.48 --> 1745.24] It was just a mess. -[1745.80 --> 1748.32] And, you know, at the end of the day... -[1748.32 --> 1751.92] Just not something you could just let run and just not have to think about it. -[1752.06 --> 1753.70] No, unfortunately, it wasn't. -[1753.80 --> 1759.76] And, you know, things worked fine until I powered on the Windows VM that was running Blue Iris. -[1760.00 --> 1763.54] And that system has six 4K cameras going into it. -[1763.58 --> 1765.38] So it's got a decent amount of load. -[1765.38 --> 1772.26] Now, I know for a fact that the i5 CPU can handle that load because it's been running in my HP 290 Slim -[1772.26 --> 1776.72] for six months just fine, handling everything perfectly. -[1777.24 --> 1784.86] But for some reason, when it's in the GVTG mode, it just, I guess, because the performance is so poor -[1784.86 --> 1791.04] with the emulation, whatever they're doing to slice the GPU up, however they're doing it in the Intel drivers, -[1791.04 --> 1799.72] it just meant that as soon as I powered up Blue Iris, within 30 minutes, the whole Proxmox system was just unhappy. -[1800.06 --> 1804.30] You know, like the web UI wouldn't load sometimes or you actually go and reboot the system -[1804.30 --> 1810.78] and you'll see SystemD printing out waiting on Kimu guest to shut down for like 30 minutes. -[1811.32 --> 1815.62] So it wasn't just guest stability issues, but the entire host. -[1815.82 --> 1816.14] Uh-huh. -[1817.06 --> 1817.90] Ooh, yeah. -[1818.18 --> 1819.56] Well, that's just a deal breaker. -[1819.56 --> 1822.18] Oh, man, Alex. -[1822.36 --> 1824.98] At the end of the day, you want it to be on and functional. -[1825.24 --> 1831.26] And yes, this is a hobby, and I do enjoy messing about with servers, but there comes a point. -[1831.34 --> 1832.34] It's not a full-time job. -[1832.50 --> 1833.24] No, exactly. -[1833.58 --> 1837.70] There comes a point where you're like, this S just needs to work now. -[1838.04 --> 1838.26] Yeah. -[1838.64 --> 1839.98] And it just didn't, unfortunately. -[1840.26 --> 1844.58] I think you crossed the threshold of devoting more time to this than most folks quite a while ago. -[1844.58 --> 1848.36] I mean, even taking a pass at the different encoding options, that's good insight. -[1848.36 --> 1854.76] And it really shows you that you're, I mean, yeah, it's almost twice as fast if you use GVT. -[1854.76 --> 1860.42] When you consider the stability issues, I would rather just use CPU encoding. -[1860.42 --> 1869.42] CPU encoding with QuickSync, because that's only pulling down about 10 watts when it's doing a full 1080p stream, and it's running at 10x real time. -[1869.92 --> 1874.70] So it actually, you know, in terms of performance per watt is the best thing out there. -[1874.94 --> 1879.18] I actually also, just for giggles, use my 1080 Ti to run one of these transcodes. -[1879.76 --> 1881.62] So QuickSync is running at 10x. -[1882.02 --> 1888.02] A 1080 Ti, which is pulling down 18 times the amount of power, is running at 17 times. -[1888.20 --> 1889.98] So 10x versus 17x. -[1890.08 --> 1890.50] Wow. -[1890.70 --> 1897.44] It's a good way to see the performance discrepancy between Intel's GPU and the NVIDIA GPU right there, isn't it? -[1897.46 --> 1897.96] You can really. -[1898.28 --> 1900.82] And then, of course, CPU with its measly 1.1x. -[1901.24 --> 1901.40] Yeah. -[1902.02 --> 1905.70] Performance per watt of the NVIDIA card was just hilariously bad. -[1906.06 --> 1906.58] Well, sure. -[1906.98 --> 1907.30] Sure. -[1907.30 --> 1914.94] So what I've ended up doing, actually, and this is to go back to Ryan's question now, is I've ended up splitting things back out into physical boxes. -[1915.56 --> 1920.04] The Blue Iris box is an HP290 Slim that I already had. -[1920.44 --> 1927.58] I've put the i5 back into there, and I bought another i5 to put into my server, so I have two now, which is a shame, but hey-ho. -[1928.06 --> 1932.36] I was doing some testing on the HP290 for average power usage. -[1932.36 --> 1938.12] When I say idle, what I mean by that is Blue Iris is running with its normal sort of load. -[1938.30 --> 1945.72] So an average sort of power usage I see on that box is anywhere from sort of 10 to 25 watts, depending on what it's doing. -[1945.72 --> 1951.08] Which, for the performance I'm getting, you know, that kind of power usage is fantastic, really. -[1951.82 --> 1960.20] And then my main server is pulling it anywhere with, you know, it's got, I think, 12 hard drives in it, anywhere from 40 to 80 watts at idle. -[1960.20 --> 1967.36] So, you know, it's all pretty good, pretty low, you know, to have all that performance for under 100 watts at idle is, I'm pretty happy with that. -[1967.90 --> 1969.64] Yeah, thanks for sharing the details with us. -[1969.68 --> 1970.86] You mentioned the blog in there. -[1970.96 --> 1973.38] Well, Sam actually writes in with our next question. -[1973.46 --> 1981.38] He's a new listener, and he says, I'd love to hear more about what Alex uses for building his blog, and if you've experimented with any other options and what you thought. -[1981.56 --> 1982.24] Thanks for the great show. -[1982.24 --> 1995.84] Well, several years ago, when I was launching LinuxServer.io, I actually had a personal blog, blog.katz.me, that got turned into LinuxServer's blog and eventually the LinuxServer website, and that kind of took over and became its own thing. -[1996.26 --> 2004.84] So we used to use WordPress, and then we moved to Ghost on LinuxServer, and this would be, I dread to think how long ago, like five years ago? -[2004.84 --> 2013.84] We moved to Ghost, and it's been so solid, I then ended up spinning up Ghost for my own personal blog to do, like, travel writing and all that kind of stuff as well. -[2014.58 --> 2022.22] So I use Ghost almost exclusively for blogging, and then the Perfect Media Server website is written in mkdocs. -[2022.70 --> 2024.66] I live vicariously through you on Ghost. -[2024.90 --> 2032.26] That was the route I thought I might go if I were going to set up a blog again, and I'm going to put a link to that in the show notes because I think that's worth checking out. -[2032.26 --> 2035.50] Although they've changed their model a lot since I first originally found them. -[2035.54 --> 2041.38] Now they seem like they're really focused on them hosting the blog, but you can still self-host and all that? -[2041.78 --> 2050.02] Self-host out of a container, yeah, and I've actually got a custom theme, so I spent quite a bit of time before the Perfect Media Server 2020 edition came out, -[2050.02 --> 2058.02] making sure that my blog had search and a few other different, you know, like fav icons and social media icons, all that kind of crap. -[2058.02 --> 2064.52] So you can customize the theme relatively easily, and all of that stuff is open source in GitHub. -[2064.80 --> 2067.60] So, you know, I have no complaints about Ghost at all. -[2067.66 --> 2069.02] It just does exactly what I need. -[2069.20 --> 2073.60] It looks pretty good, and you see it all over the place on the internet, really. -[2073.80 --> 2077.14] So I think that's kind of, you know, proof is in the pudding. -[2077.40 --> 2080.38] How many blogs do you see that are in Ghost? -[2080.72 --> 2081.46] Quite a few. -[2081.56 --> 2082.72] So yeah, it must be okay. -[2082.72 --> 2088.10] All right, so I think our final question for today, Tamo writes in about user account management. -[2088.90 --> 2091.92] Hi guys, I'm a new listener, and this show is perfect for me. -[2091.98 --> 2093.18] I started at episode one. -[2093.36 --> 2093.88] Well, thank you. -[2094.58 --> 2099.44] I was wondering if you have done a podcast about how you manage different servers and user accounts. -[2099.62 --> 2102.74] Do you have LDAP or some kind of centralized authentication? -[2103.70 --> 2110.68] I'm finding creating unique user accounts for every server and saving their credentials every time to be a bit of a pain in the bum. -[2110.68 --> 2113.14] I was wondering if you have any thoughts. -[2113.66 --> 2116.42] Looking through the episode descriptions, I didn't find anything about this. -[2116.64 --> 2117.92] Thanks, Tamo. -[2118.24 --> 2120.92] Good question, because it's been on my mind a lot. -[2121.58 --> 2128.86] Recently, Linux distributions like Fedora and Ubuntu added checkbox Active Directory support to their installers. -[2129.66 --> 2137.60] And that got me thinking, yeah, almost wouldn't mind having like an Active Directory setup here on the LAN, -[2137.60 --> 2142.56] either actual Active Directory or some Samba Frankenstein version of it. -[2142.78 --> 2148.06] But truthfully, what I have landed on is standardized accounts. -[2148.16 --> 2152.38] So we have a standardized Studio account, and I have an account on all the systems. -[2153.06 --> 2156.76] And the people who work here at the Studio, we know those logins. -[2156.76 --> 2159.68] And then for our server logins, we use SSH keys. -[2160.36 --> 2169.94] But I do long term have my eye on Systemd HomeD as a potential way to solve this, at least here on the LAN at the studio. -[2170.68 --> 2172.42] And I'll have a link to that in the show notes. -[2172.50 --> 2179.16] But essentially, it takes your home directory and all of your user information and puts it into JSON. -[2179.16 --> 2185.72] And then you can drop this home directory bundle into a Systemd HomeD enabled system. -[2186.06 --> 2191.94] And not only does your home directory show up there, but you also then become a user on the system. -[2192.56 --> 2195.82] That's obviously me giving you the short version. -[2196.06 --> 2197.28] But it has some potential. -[2197.52 --> 2202.68] So you could see here in the studio where perhaps we'd keep our master HomeD directories on the server -[2202.68 --> 2208.72] and then R-sync them down to the studio machines in my workstation, I don't know, every hour, every 24 hours. -[2208.80 --> 2209.16] I don't know. -[2209.48 --> 2210.48] I haven't really looked into it yet. -[2210.94 --> 2213.84] But if we did that, it would also sync down our user credentials. -[2214.50 --> 2219.26] Early days, just something that's on my horizon, kind of keeping on my radar as a possibility -[2219.26 --> 2221.42] because I don't need something too advanced. -[2221.72 --> 2226.10] I've managed large LDAP single sign-on installations in the past as part of my job. -[2226.10 --> 2228.90] And it worked surprisingly well for a long time. -[2228.94 --> 2230.88] And I just don't really have an interest in doing that anymore. -[2230.88 --> 2233.18] I mean, you could spin up LDAP. -[2233.26 --> 2234.40] You could do free IPA. -[2234.48 --> 2235.54] You could do a lot of things. -[2235.90 --> 2236.90] You could do Active Directory. -[2237.08 --> 2238.28] It sounds kind of fun. -[2238.32 --> 2238.66] I don't know. -[2239.36 --> 2239.76] Yeah. -[2239.94 --> 2245.72] But I don't know about you, but I've got to the point over the last decade where I'm managing so many different systems. -[2246.02 --> 2249.54] Some of them are in different houses or different cloud providers or stuff like that, -[2249.62 --> 2256.72] that having them sync back to a central authentication would just be so complicated. -[2256.72 --> 2263.14] I've kind of got, I feel like, half-decent context switching between the different servers and knowing, -[2263.28 --> 2266.32] oh, right, I don't have that particular setup on this one. -[2266.42 --> 2271.92] And any files I do need to sync between various things, I have my NAS, and I just mount that via Samba. -[2272.82 --> 2275.44] And I don't really worry too much about the home directory. -[2275.54 --> 2278.72] Anything that's in there, in my opinion at least, is ephemeral. -[2279.36 --> 2282.30] It goes in Git or it goes in Samba or it gets lost. -[2282.42 --> 2283.52] That's kind of how I treat it. -[2283.52 --> 2284.00] Yeah. -[2284.40 --> 2294.16] I think in part it's because I have, in full disclosure, I've accepted a security practice on the LAN of the studio that probably you shouldn't do, -[2294.24 --> 2299.00] and that is we don't rotate passwords very often, maybe once every couple of years. -[2299.18 --> 2300.00] But then again… -[2300.00 --> 2300.46] It's convenient. -[2300.74 --> 2301.34] I'll give you that. -[2301.62 --> 2301.82] Yeah. -[2301.86 --> 2305.24] And as far as physical access goes, it's a real small handful of people. -[2305.70 --> 2308.92] It's not like an organization with an office of 20 here. -[2308.92 --> 2318.34] And then for the servers, it's pretty much all down to SSH keys, and all remote login is usually done with that. -[2318.46 --> 2322.80] Any access to the LAN is done with WireGuard, and that has its own set of keys. -[2323.20 --> 2324.74] So there's some layers there. -[2325.24 --> 2327.66] Every now and then, I still think it's a fair question. -[2327.74 --> 2331.16] I still think to myself, I could do this a little better. -[2331.16 --> 2339.02] And I do fantasize about a future where I deploy everything pragmatically, and then everything has central sign-on and central storage. -[2339.72 --> 2343.04] But I think I'd have to clone myself to get there. -[2344.08 --> 2345.94] But this goes back to the point at the beginning, right? -[2346.02 --> 2348.56] You use Arch because you just want to get stuff done. -[2348.78 --> 2354.20] And I think we don't use a central authentication system because we just want to get stuff done. -[2354.20 --> 2364.50] We don't want to spend the week or two figuring it out and setting it up, and then every time we reinstall a box, attaching it to a domain controller or whatever it is. -[2364.82 --> 2364.94] Right. -[2365.34 --> 2368.84] I think it's just pragmatism, isn't it, that means we're lazy and don't do it. -[2370.32 --> 2371.40] Maybe that's a bit of it. -[2371.66 --> 2372.54] We've gotten old. -[2372.74 --> 2378.12] What we need is a young SSH intern to come into the studio and whip us together and get a single sign-on going. -[2378.52 --> 2379.72] Yeah, maybe, maybe. -[2379.72 --> 2385.10] Thank you to our members over at selfhosted.show.sre. -[2385.22 --> 2386.40] Thank you for supporting the show. -[2386.58 --> 2394.36] As a thank you, we supply you a limited ad version of the show, and you also in that feed get extra content the post show. -[2394.52 --> 2397.80] Thank you very much to our members at selfhosted.show.sre. -[2398.28 --> 2402.86] We're going to have a little bit of a 3D printing hoedown in the post show today, I think. -[2403.24 --> 2407.00] Yeah, I look forward to that, and I also have a bit of a confession to make. -[2407.00 --> 2409.20] Just a little bit of business before we go. -[2409.20 --> 2412.04] Everything we talk about is over at selfhosted.show. -[2412.18 --> 2416.28] As always, you can go to selfhosted.show.com for all the ways to get in touch with us. -[2416.72 --> 2418.84] And you can find me on Twitter at Ironic Badger. -[2419.04 --> 2423.50] I'm there too, at Chris Elias, and the show at selfhosted.show. -[2423.84 --> 2426.18] On Discord, I'm at AlexKTZ. -[2426.72 --> 2427.46] Thanks for listening. -[2427.74 --> 2429.10] That was selfhosted.show.com. -[2429.10 --> 2430.02] Slash 39. -[2430.02 --> 2430.10] Slash 39. +[0.00 --> 3.52] Coming up on today's show, we cover our favourite LastPass alternative, +[4.14 --> 7.50] we talk about why more boxes might be better than one, +[7.72 --> 10.98] and we confess our undying love for Arch. +[11.86 --> 12.46] I'm Alex. +[12.76 --> 15.28] And I'm Chris, and this is Self-Hosted 39. +[30.00 --> 45.44] I, too, I, too, Alex, have been worshipping at the altar of Arch recently. +[45.58 --> 47.84] After experimenting with various different distributions, +[48.52 --> 50.80] I like that I can set up a minimal system, +[50.80 --> 56.46] and I actually have been enjoying using Arch as my base application server. +[56.84 --> 58.42] I don't run apps directly on Arch, +[58.42 --> 61.96] but in containers or VMs, I find it to be a fantastic platform. +[62.06 --> 63.04] I've been doing it for a while now. +[63.64 --> 66.16] This comes hot off the heels of this week's Linux Unplugged, +[66.24 --> 70.40] where I think it's fair to say you got in your soapbox and preached the Arch gospel. +[70.74 --> 71.70] I don't know. +[71.94 --> 75.22] I think what I got in my soapbox about was +[75.22 --> 77.96] it's become kind of a joke or a meme, +[77.96 --> 82.26] oh, Arch users, people are just trying to flex and talk about how elite they are, +[82.76 --> 85.14] when the reality is that's not it at all. +[85.14 --> 89.42] I simply just want something that makes it really quick to get software deployed or up and running, +[89.54 --> 92.96] and maybe have the most minimal Linux install before I run an application. +[93.14 --> 96.96] And I find it great for that, without sort of all of the upfront work +[96.96 --> 99.62] that something like Gen 2 or Linux from scratch takes. +[100.08 --> 100.88] Hey, bro, bro, bro. +[101.50 --> 102.52] I run Arch, by the way. +[103.02 --> 103.40] Yeah. +[103.74 --> 105.16] Well, that's kind of how it started. +[105.60 --> 109.18] And then it became, it kind of grew from there, didn't it? +[109.32 --> 109.72] It did. +[109.72 --> 111.50] Yeah, I definitely feel the shame. +[111.50 --> 114.22] Like, when you say to people, I run Arch, +[114.32 --> 118.34] it's not because you want to flex, or at least I don't want to flex. +[118.76 --> 121.74] It's because I just love it so gosh darn much, +[121.74 --> 124.78] and I think other people would too if they just gave it a chance. +[125.14 --> 126.04] Well, why is that? +[126.08 --> 128.36] I think we should talk about, maybe just really briefly, +[128.52 --> 129.88] why it is you love it so much. +[129.90 --> 132.02] Because it's not the forms, right? +[132.04 --> 134.94] It's not the Arch user base, necessarily. +[135.14 --> 136.96] It's the practicality of it, right? +[137.38 --> 137.78] It is. +[137.78 --> 142.88] I am one command away from pretty much any piece of software that I want. +[143.72 --> 146.28] Yay-S, everything, literally. +[147.16 --> 150.44] You know, the AUR is Arch's secret sauce. +[151.08 --> 151.98] Think of anything. +[152.14 --> 153.06] Think of a custom kernel. +[153.36 --> 156.86] You know, VFIO stuff is pretty complex to get into. +[157.46 --> 159.46] There is a custom kernel already compiled, +[159.68 --> 163.16] or there's a package build to compile a custom kernel already there for you, +[163.18 --> 163.66] ready to go. +[164.36 --> 167.00] You want some esoteric piece of software that, +[167.00 --> 168.96] on Ubuntu would be a PPA, +[169.30 --> 171.26] or on Fedora would be a copper repo. +[171.78 --> 173.32] I don't have to worry about any of that. +[173.38 --> 175.28] It's just yay-s install, +[175.56 --> 176.56] and off you go. +[177.54 --> 180.34] And besides that, you know, as a new user, +[180.46 --> 183.06] when I was getting into Linux in 2013, +[183.38 --> 184.64] 14 sort of time period, +[185.46 --> 186.38] the Arch documentation +[186.38 --> 189.48] is just the best around, +[189.48 --> 191.82] and it's crowdsourced. +[192.02 --> 193.98] It's not always completely accurate +[193.98 --> 195.80] and always completely totally up to date, +[195.86 --> 196.82] but it's good enough +[196.82 --> 200.24] that even an idiot like me can pick it up +[200.24 --> 200.96] and get going +[200.96 --> 202.94] when I knew basically nothing. +[203.60 --> 204.36] And at that point, +[204.40 --> 206.50] that was when Arch had just transitioned to Systemd. +[206.50 --> 210.52] So I kind of credit Arch and Systemd and Docker +[210.52 --> 212.44] as being the three kind of pillars +[212.44 --> 213.84] of what got me into Linux +[213.84 --> 216.82] and being able to get me over that initial new user +[216.82 --> 218.58] not knowing what I'm doing hump. +[218.84 --> 220.26] Those three things together, +[220.46 --> 223.24] for me, were just game-changing. +[223.84 --> 225.22] There really is a Linux for every type. +[225.34 --> 227.02] Obviously, there's benefits +[227.02 --> 228.54] to running something like Debian +[228.54 --> 232.46] or CentOS or Ubuntu LTS on a server +[232.46 --> 234.40] that make just a ton of sense for most people. +[234.92 --> 235.94] I'm the type of user, +[236.04 --> 238.16] I don't mind logging in at least once a week, +[238.78 --> 240.02] doing a package update +[240.02 --> 242.90] and seeing what needs to be installed. +[243.38 --> 245.62] I don't always have time for that. +[245.62 --> 247.68] I don't always get to do it weekly, +[247.86 --> 249.38] but I generally am able to do it +[249.38 --> 250.46] at least once a month, +[250.50 --> 251.40] if not twice a month. +[251.40 --> 254.00] And that seems to be all it's taken for me +[254.00 --> 255.60] to keep these systems up and running. +[255.66 --> 256.78] And the benefit that I get +[256.78 --> 258.52] from a self-hosting standpoint +[258.52 --> 261.72] is my operating system is continuously updated. +[261.84 --> 264.08] I don't have this event +[264.08 --> 265.80] that comes up every few years +[265.80 --> 267.80] where I kind of brace myself +[267.80 --> 270.42] and do this massive upgrade. +[271.10 --> 272.54] Instead, I take my medicine +[272.54 --> 274.10] kind of on a weekly basis +[274.10 --> 276.78] and it kind of stretches out the changes +[276.78 --> 278.00] so that they're just more minor. +[278.12 --> 278.70] They're more frequent, +[278.86 --> 280.06] but they're more minor. +[280.06 --> 281.44] I prefer that. +[281.44 --> 282.64] And then when you add something +[282.64 --> 283.36] like Alex was saying, +[283.46 --> 283.94] the AUR, +[284.32 --> 286.42] with the package management system, +[286.60 --> 289.40] I can get something up and running +[289.40 --> 291.68] in moments on Arch +[291.68 --> 294.38] that would take a bit of fiddling around, +[294.48 --> 295.44] maybe adding a package repository, +[296.36 --> 298.14] following a guide to add the keys +[298.14 --> 299.24] and all that kind of stuff +[299.24 --> 300.50] to a machine. +[300.62 --> 302.08] And then I have the joy +[302.08 --> 303.76] of watching that repo go by +[303.76 --> 305.30] every time I do an apt update +[305.30 --> 306.38] or a DNF update. +[306.50 --> 308.44] And I'm not a huge fan of that system. +[308.44 --> 308.90] It works. +[309.54 --> 310.78] And for some people, +[310.82 --> 311.46] it works really well. +[311.60 --> 312.82] For me, I just like to have it +[312.82 --> 314.66] all integrated with a single package manager, +[315.22 --> 316.80] single set of updates that I do. +[317.08 --> 319.60] And it's always guaranteed to be +[319.60 --> 320.94] at least close to guaranteed, +[321.06 --> 321.62] I should say, +[321.88 --> 322.74] the latest version +[322.74 --> 323.62] when I install something. +[323.82 --> 325.18] So I know the security stuff's +[325.18 --> 325.68] taken care of, +[325.72 --> 326.36] the feature stuff +[326.36 --> 327.36] that I've been reading about online, +[327.40 --> 328.58] I know it's already landed. +[329.12 --> 330.86] And then anything that's more complex +[330.86 --> 332.78] than a basic system level tool, +[333.02 --> 335.44] I'm already loading in a container anyways. +[335.44 --> 337.68] Anyways, and those are often based on Alpine +[337.68 --> 338.98] or Ubuntu, et cetera. +[339.12 --> 340.56] And it kind of doesn't really matter +[340.56 --> 341.72] what the host OS is running +[341.72 --> 343.30] as long as it's secure and up to date. +[343.64 --> 345.88] I kind of view Arch a little bit like +[345.88 --> 347.42] stock Android. +[347.96 --> 349.86] You know, like on a Pixel phone +[349.86 --> 351.48] or, well, not OnePlus anymore, +[351.76 --> 353.10] but definitely on the Pixel phones. +[353.28 --> 355.10] Like, it has no opinion. +[355.42 --> 356.68] There's no opinionation really +[356.68 --> 357.54] in how it does stuff. +[357.60 --> 358.62] It just gives you stuff +[358.62 --> 360.08] and lets you figure it out by yourself. +[360.72 --> 361.86] And for that reason, +[361.98 --> 363.58] it makes a really great +[363.58 --> 364.66] minimum viable server. +[365.38 --> 366.32] It also makes +[366.32 --> 367.94] a really great workstation. +[368.36 --> 370.70] It could make a great cloud box +[370.70 --> 371.82] because you can only install +[371.82 --> 373.48] very, very minimal numbers of packages. +[373.74 --> 375.08] So from a security perspective, +[375.72 --> 377.40] there's a smaller attack surface. +[378.16 --> 380.44] The downside is that the industry, +[380.64 --> 382.40] and I use air quotes around industry, +[383.32 --> 384.20] in the cloud at least, +[384.36 --> 386.52] does seem to be settling on Ubuntu. +[386.52 --> 387.84] Like if you look at market share +[387.84 --> 388.68] and stuff like that. +[389.20 --> 391.00] So you are kind of +[391.00 --> 393.20] trailblazing your own path +[393.20 --> 394.28] by going with Arch. +[394.48 --> 397.06] But I would argue that +[397.06 --> 398.22] what distro you run +[398.22 --> 399.56] doesn't really matter +[399.56 --> 400.38] that much anymore. +[400.74 --> 402.36] I mean, I do feel pretty strongly +[402.36 --> 403.02] that, you know, +[403.06 --> 404.50] all my systems will just run Arch. +[405.28 --> 406.38] You know, if it's a laptop +[406.38 --> 407.30] or a desktop or whatever. +[407.46 --> 408.22] But if it's a server, +[408.94 --> 410.32] I'll probably put Ubuntu on it. +[410.88 --> 412.22] Even though everything +[412.22 --> 412.98] we've just said, +[413.10 --> 416.08] because it has canonical behind it +[416.08 --> 417.12] doing a bunch of testing, +[417.58 --> 418.80] especially when it comes to ZFS +[418.80 --> 420.08] and the licensing there. +[420.34 --> 421.20] That's a tricky one, +[421.20 --> 421.96] even on Arch. +[422.48 --> 423.44] Just a bunch of stuff, +[423.52 --> 424.04] a bunch of testing +[424.04 --> 425.04] and things like that +[425.04 --> 427.04] mean that I don't run Arch +[427.04 --> 428.16] absolutely everywhere, +[428.68 --> 429.60] just most places. +[430.08 --> 431.28] I have found that for the cloud, +[431.40 --> 433.06] I'm sticking with Ubuntu LTS +[433.06 --> 434.12] for the most part. +[434.32 --> 435.54] I find that works really well. +[435.88 --> 437.06] And for my Raspberry Pis +[437.06 --> 438.66] that are at the RV +[438.66 --> 440.44] on an LTE connection, +[440.84 --> 442.98] I'm also running Ubuntu LTS there +[442.98 --> 444.48] in part because they've done +[444.48 --> 445.56] a really good job +[445.56 --> 447.48] with their Pi support. +[447.48 --> 450.16] But also, less updates +[450.16 --> 451.74] is a feature when you're on cellular. +[452.26 --> 452.66] Yeah. +[453.02 --> 454.34] And I'm already updating +[454.34 --> 455.70] my laptop enough as it is. +[456.18 --> 457.72] So there's those elements of it. +[457.86 --> 459.24] But when I have an opportunity +[459.24 --> 460.58] to run local physical hardware, +[460.66 --> 461.72] like I do here at the studio, +[461.80 --> 462.38] it's all Arch. +[462.80 --> 463.80] It works fantastic. +[464.24 --> 465.72] I do have one Arch box +[465.72 --> 466.56] up in the cloud +[466.56 --> 468.22] that is like an example +[468.22 --> 469.72] of Arch in the cloud gone wrong, +[469.86 --> 473.02] where the vendor tried to pin +[473.02 --> 474.72] to a certain version of the kernel. +[474.82 --> 475.14] And of course, +[475.16 --> 475.76] that just doesn't work +[475.76 --> 476.44] very well with Arch. +[476.86 --> 478.14] So I think it is a little trickier +[478.14 --> 478.54] in the cloud. +[478.60 --> 479.84] And it's not a 100% solution. +[480.42 --> 481.86] And what I was just advocating +[481.86 --> 482.92] now, I guess, here +[482.92 --> 483.66] and in that episode +[483.66 --> 484.68] of Linux Unplugged +[484.68 --> 487.90] is let's not mock people +[487.90 --> 489.06] for their choice of distribution. +[489.24 --> 489.96] There's functionality +[489.96 --> 491.34] behind everything +[491.34 --> 493.38] and like perfectly good reasons +[493.38 --> 494.44] to run SUSE as well. +[494.96 --> 496.54] My buddy on Coda Radio, Mike, +[496.92 --> 498.30] that's what he prefers to run. +[498.40 --> 499.86] He likes SUSE in the enterprise. +[500.08 --> 501.70] He runs Pop! OS on his desktop +[501.70 --> 503.42] and SUSE in the rack. +[503.60 --> 504.96] And that works really well for him. +[505.40 --> 506.46] It's not like we're trying +[506.46 --> 507.38] to create a +[507.38 --> 509.08] this distribution is better debate. +[509.36 --> 510.46] What we're trying to say is +[510.46 --> 511.84] let's include everybody +[511.84 --> 512.72] in the conversation +[512.72 --> 513.76] and not mock people +[513.76 --> 515.58] for their choice of distribution. +[516.00 --> 517.26] And as a couple +[517.26 --> 518.28] of counter-narrative guys, +[518.36 --> 519.74] I guess we happen to find Arch +[519.74 --> 520.70] actually works pretty well +[520.70 --> 521.88] if you're willing to maintain it. +[523.62 --> 525.94] Linode.com slash SSH. +[526.04 --> 527.14] Go there to get a $100 +[527.14 --> 528.14] 60-day credit +[528.14 --> 528.88] towards a new account. +[529.00 --> 530.86] Yeah, $100 in credit +[530.86 --> 531.38] to play with. +[531.72 --> 532.12] And of course, +[532.12 --> 533.08] you're supporting the show +[533.08 --> 535.50] by going to linode.com slash SSH. +[535.70 --> 536.70] That's where we set up +[536.70 --> 537.58] all of our infrastructure +[537.58 --> 538.68] for JB 3.0. +[538.80 --> 539.62] If we're playing around +[539.62 --> 541.22] for something like SSH, +[541.30 --> 542.52] like segment work or something, +[542.94 --> 544.54] yeah, we do that up on Linode. +[544.64 --> 545.84] And speaking of Arch, +[545.88 --> 546.74] one of the great things +[546.74 --> 547.46] about Linode +[547.46 --> 548.48] is they let you pick +[548.48 --> 549.40] just about any distribution +[549.40 --> 549.92] you want. +[549.98 --> 550.56] They have Arch. +[550.94 --> 551.52] They got, I mean, +[551.52 --> 552.04] they got everything. +[552.16 --> 553.18] Alpine, Debian, +[554.08 --> 554.86] CentOS, SUSE, +[555.30 --> 556.18] Ubuntu's, of course. +[556.46 --> 557.08] I mean, they got like +[557.08 --> 558.06] everything up there. +[558.44 --> 559.52] Even some Fedora +[559.52 --> 561.02] for you crazy kids out there. +[561.14 --> 562.58] You can run it up on Linode. +[562.66 --> 563.66] They've been in this game +[563.66 --> 564.70] since 2003. +[564.88 --> 566.32] They've learned what works +[566.32 --> 567.40] and they've learned +[567.40 --> 568.34] what doesn't work. +[568.38 --> 569.40] And they were doing that +[569.40 --> 571.10] years before everybody else. +[571.26 --> 572.58] And they've really managed +[572.58 --> 573.44] to modernize it +[573.44 --> 575.30] with a beautiful cloud dashboard +[575.30 --> 576.22] that makes it approachable +[576.22 --> 576.60] to somebody +[576.60 --> 577.88] who's brand new to servers +[577.88 --> 579.56] or maybe you're like +[579.56 --> 580.28] a longtime pro. +[580.68 --> 581.22] You're going to love +[581.22 --> 582.40] the way this dashboard works. +[582.52 --> 582.76] Of course, +[582.80 --> 584.44] they have native SSD storage, +[584.54 --> 585.48] 40 gigabit connections +[585.48 --> 586.56] coming into the machines. +[586.96 --> 588.30] It's all super fast. +[588.56 --> 589.38] And because they've been around +[589.38 --> 590.34] since 2003, +[590.52 --> 592.46] they've got some great locations. +[592.62 --> 593.72] Like, think about that, right? +[593.74 --> 594.50] They can leverage +[594.50 --> 595.28] their experience, +[595.40 --> 596.08] their relationships +[596.08 --> 597.94] in a way that nobody else can +[597.94 --> 598.82] because they've been +[598.82 --> 599.62] in cloud computing +[599.62 --> 600.94] before it was cloud computing. +[601.20 --> 602.10] 11 data centers +[602.10 --> 602.88] around the world. +[603.12 --> 603.76] We got an email +[603.76 --> 604.88] into the show from James. +[605.76 --> 606.10] He said, +[606.16 --> 606.92] I wanted to set up +[606.92 --> 608.56] an SMTP relay +[608.56 --> 610.08] at my previous +[610.08 --> 611.70] VPS provider, +[612.30 --> 614.20] but because they were +[614.20 --> 615.28] kind of, you know, +[615.48 --> 617.00] trying to be competitive +[617.00 --> 617.58] in the market, +[617.72 --> 618.78] they ended up +[618.78 --> 619.66] with not the best +[619.66 --> 620.66] IP reputation +[620.66 --> 621.76] and they ended up +[621.76 --> 622.28] getting blocked +[622.28 --> 622.92] by Microsoft. +[623.20 --> 624.10] And so then he spun up +[624.10 --> 625.60] another box on their system +[625.60 --> 626.68] and that also got blocked +[626.68 --> 627.42] by Microsoft. +[629.12 --> 629.62] He's like, +[629.64 --> 630.54] I couldn't even find them +[630.54 --> 631.58] on any public blacklist. +[631.64 --> 632.88] Yet Microsoft just started +[632.88 --> 634.78] blacklisting all of these IPs. +[634.78 --> 635.70] So I decided I'd go over +[635.70 --> 636.24] to Linode +[636.24 --> 638.44] and try a Linode over there +[638.44 --> 639.14] and support the show. +[639.22 --> 639.88] So he goes to +[639.88 --> 641.56] linode.com slash SSH. +[641.70 --> 642.94] He spins up a system +[642.94 --> 643.34] on Linode +[643.34 --> 643.86] and he discovers, +[644.06 --> 644.34] oh, +[644.34 --> 646.44] Linode has a policy +[646.44 --> 647.16] where they block +[647.16 --> 648.66] all SMTP related ports +[648.66 --> 649.32] by default. +[649.46 --> 650.06] Oh, well, +[650.36 --> 651.20] I guess I'll email support +[651.20 --> 652.14] and see what they say. +[652.28 --> 652.92] So he sends off +[652.92 --> 653.88] a quick email to support. +[654.06 --> 655.48] He gets a prompt response +[655.48 --> 656.06] later +[656.06 --> 657.66] and they open up the ports +[657.66 --> 658.52] and everything +[658.52 --> 659.80] is working perfectly. +[660.42 --> 660.86] He goes, +[661.44 --> 663.04] then a few days later, +[663.04 --> 664.18] I finally got a response +[664.18 --> 665.38] from my original provider +[665.38 --> 666.54] with some canned email +[666.54 --> 667.52] that didn't help it at all. +[667.58 --> 668.38] I reply to that. +[668.58 --> 670.46] I got another canned email response +[670.46 --> 671.44] and that was it. +[671.44 --> 672.24] I just gave up +[672.24 --> 673.32] and I'm moving everything +[673.32 --> 674.18] over to Linode. +[674.44 --> 676.14] They're genuinely just great +[676.14 --> 678.34] and I've gotten so many notes +[678.34 --> 678.68] into the show +[678.68 --> 679.80] that talk about Linode support. +[679.96 --> 680.50] It's not an aspect +[680.50 --> 681.32] I touch on a lot +[681.32 --> 682.32] but it really matters +[682.32 --> 683.24] once you get up and running, +[683.38 --> 684.72] especially if you've got +[684.72 --> 685.66] some important infrastructure +[685.66 --> 686.08] on there. +[686.34 --> 686.98] So go check them out. +[687.08 --> 689.16] Linode.com slash SSH. +[689.16 --> 692.22] Now I know you covered +[692.22 --> 693.58] some stuff about LastPass +[693.58 --> 695.24] in Linux Unplugged. +[695.28 --> 697.60] This is like Linux Unplugged Plus +[697.60 --> 698.58] this episode, isn't it? +[699.68 --> 701.60] But LastPass have been doing +[701.60 --> 702.52] some shenanigans +[702.52 --> 704.28] with their free tiers and stuff. +[704.40 --> 705.76] I think we've all been expecting this +[705.76 --> 706.80] for quite a long time +[706.80 --> 709.16] since they were acquired. +[709.82 --> 711.46] Now they are limiting +[711.46 --> 713.84] the access +[713.84 --> 715.90] to unlimited devices +[715.90 --> 716.86] of one type. +[717.36 --> 718.72] So to clarify what that means +[718.72 --> 720.26] is you can access +[720.26 --> 721.36] LastPass free +[721.36 --> 723.30] on an unlimited number +[723.30 --> 723.98] of computers +[723.98 --> 725.74] or an unlimited number +[725.74 --> 727.00] of mobile devices +[727.00 --> 728.20] but not both +[728.20 --> 729.14] on their free tier. +[729.86 --> 730.72] I say enough. +[731.04 --> 732.14] I say that stinks. +[732.44 --> 733.50] And we have a recommendation +[733.50 --> 734.14] for you. +[734.64 --> 735.00] I agree. +[735.20 --> 736.12] I mean the price right now +[736.12 --> 737.06] is kind of reasonable. +[737.30 --> 738.04] It's like what? +[738.20 --> 739.04] Four bucks a year +[739.04 --> 739.60] or something? +[740.16 --> 741.16] It's not outrageous +[741.16 --> 742.70] for a year. +[742.92 --> 743.18] I mean +[743.18 --> 744.72] but it stinks +[744.72 --> 745.80] the way it's going about. +[746.54 --> 747.14] And I agree. +[747.38 --> 748.40] It's time to look +[748.40 --> 749.04] at an alternative +[749.04 --> 749.94] and this is +[749.94 --> 751.04] the self-hosted podcast +[751.04 --> 752.98] and I think both of us +[752.98 --> 754.52] landed on Bitwarden +[754.52 --> 755.38] pretty quickly. +[755.96 --> 757.36] I have some trepidation +[757.36 --> 757.82] here though. +[757.82 --> 758.52] Hold on a minute. +[758.64 --> 759.50] I think LastPass +[759.50 --> 761.08] is $27 a year. +[761.74 --> 763.76] It's $2.25 a month +[763.76 --> 764.54] billed annually. +[765.46 --> 766.38] Oh you're kidding me. +[766.72 --> 766.86] Yeah. +[767.08 --> 767.88] Oh jeez. +[767.98 --> 768.18] Okay. +[769.20 --> 771.02] Ah yeah you're right. +[771.12 --> 771.46] So that's +[771.46 --> 772.36] that's not nearly +[772.36 --> 773.34] the deal I thought it was. +[773.40 --> 774.06] That's a bad deal. +[774.06 --> 775.84] Especially when +[775.84 --> 776.94] Bitwarden is only +[776.94 --> 778.28] $10 a year. +[778.52 --> 779.06] That's if you +[779.06 --> 780.38] buy an annual plan. +[781.08 --> 781.90] But if you don't +[781.90 --> 783.00] even want to do that +[783.00 --> 784.86] you can self-host +[784.86 --> 785.98] the Bitwarden +[785.98 --> 786.76] server +[786.76 --> 787.78] which is just +[787.78 --> 788.96] so cool. +[789.38 --> 789.56] Yeah. +[789.70 --> 791.20] I really love seeing this +[791.20 --> 791.72] and +[791.72 --> 793.08] I know it's a little +[793.08 --> 793.94] complicated. +[794.22 --> 795.12] I think it requires +[795.12 --> 795.60] SQL +[795.60 --> 796.98] among other things. +[797.14 --> 798.10] So the community +[798.10 --> 798.68] has come up +[798.68 --> 799.46] with an alternative. +[799.46 --> 800.58] Yeah there's a project +[800.58 --> 801.94] called Bitwarden RS +[801.94 --> 803.42] which is written in Rust. +[804.42 --> 805.10] Where's Wes +[805.10 --> 805.68] when you need him? +[806.98 --> 808.44] And this is a +[808.44 --> 810.50] Bitwarden server +[810.50 --> 811.04] that can run +[811.04 --> 811.66] in a container +[811.66 --> 813.16] that will essentially +[813.16 --> 815.06] perform the same role +[815.06 --> 816.34] as the $10 a year +[816.34 --> 817.80] hosted service. +[818.04 --> 818.94] The difference being +[818.94 --> 819.62] is you own +[819.62 --> 820.26] all the data +[820.26 --> 821.48] it remains +[821.48 --> 822.40] on your servers +[822.40 --> 823.18] or your VPS +[823.18 --> 823.60] or whatever. +[824.18 --> 824.74] So there's a couple +[824.74 --> 825.32] of ways you could +[825.32 --> 826.14] go about doing this. +[826.38 --> 827.38] The first and most +[827.38 --> 828.28] obvious way is to +[828.28 --> 829.04] spin up a Linode +[829.04 --> 829.96] or something like that +[829.96 --> 831.14] and throw Bitwarden +[831.14 --> 831.58] on there +[831.58 --> 833.58] and just call it good. +[833.84 --> 834.54] And because it's +[834.54 --> 835.58] your password manager +[835.58 --> 836.42] I would probably +[836.42 --> 837.82] caution against +[837.82 --> 839.14] running this +[839.14 --> 840.16] on a shared +[840.16 --> 841.36] cloud VPS. +[841.56 --> 842.18] You know if you're +[842.18 --> 843.34] hosting a ton of websites +[843.34 --> 844.98] and it's a very +[844.98 --> 845.50] public +[845.50 --> 846.96] you know VPS +[846.96 --> 848.02] I probably wouldn't +[848.02 --> 848.96] put your password manager +[848.96 --> 850.08] on that same system. +[850.36 --> 851.04] I would put it +[851.04 --> 852.14] on a separate system +[852.14 --> 853.28] just so you're +[853.28 --> 854.20] reducing the blast +[854.20 --> 855.32] radius of any bots +[855.32 --> 855.74] or anything +[855.74 --> 856.68] doing something crazy +[856.68 --> 857.92] with the web servers. +[857.92 --> 859.36] The other thing +[859.36 --> 860.00] you can do +[860.00 --> 860.98] is run it +[860.98 --> 861.90] on your LAN +[861.90 --> 862.48] and I think +[862.48 --> 863.58] the running +[863.58 --> 864.18] it on a separate +[864.18 --> 864.88] system becomes +[864.88 --> 865.70] less important +[865.70 --> 866.24] when it's on +[866.24 --> 867.46] your network. +[868.08 --> 868.82] And the idea +[868.82 --> 869.80] of running it +[869.80 --> 870.58] on your LAN +[870.58 --> 871.08] of course +[871.08 --> 872.58] is that your data +[872.58 --> 873.48] never leaves +[873.48 --> 874.36] your house +[874.36 --> 875.00] right? +[875.18 --> 875.84] And that will +[875.84 --> 876.20] hopefully +[876.20 --> 877.64] reduce +[877.64 --> 878.50] the risk +[878.50 --> 879.16] even further. +[879.66 --> 880.56] Now the downside +[880.56 --> 881.70] of running your own +[881.70 --> 882.46] password manager +[882.46 --> 882.86] backend +[882.86 --> 883.68] is you've got to +[883.68 --> 884.54] configure secure +[884.54 --> 885.34] access to it. +[885.34 --> 886.50] So that could be +[886.50 --> 887.46] using WireGuard +[887.46 --> 889.10] or some other +[889.10 --> 890.08] kind of authentication +[890.08 --> 890.84] through SSH +[890.84 --> 891.70] or something like that. +[892.04 --> 892.72] But ultimately +[892.72 --> 893.18] you're going to want +[893.18 --> 893.92] to be really careful +[893.92 --> 894.74] and really sure +[894.74 --> 895.28] you know what you're +[895.28 --> 896.18] doing from a security +[896.18 --> 896.74] perspective +[896.74 --> 898.00] before you start +[898.00 --> 898.70] going and storing +[898.70 --> 899.32] all your passwords +[899.32 --> 900.80] on a public system. +[901.50 --> 901.82] That's where you +[901.82 --> 902.56] could make the argument +[902.56 --> 903.36] that it could just +[903.36 --> 904.12] be worth paying +[904.12 --> 904.82] for their +[904.82 --> 906.18] hosted service. +[906.92 --> 907.82] And this is where +[907.82 --> 908.82] I'm currently +[908.82 --> 909.76] experiencing my +[909.76 --> 910.32] trepidation. +[910.52 --> 912.44] I 100% know +[912.44 --> 913.66] I could self-host it. +[913.66 --> 914.90] And the nice thing +[914.90 --> 915.54] about this Rust +[915.54 --> 916.38] version of their +[916.38 --> 917.00] server is +[917.00 --> 918.32] really minimal +[918.32 --> 918.84] resources. +[918.84 --> 919.40] So you could +[919.40 --> 919.90] really run it +[919.90 --> 920.66] on anything. +[920.82 --> 921.62] So I could run +[921.62 --> 922.56] it on my Raspberry Pi +[922.56 --> 923.30] or I could run it +[923.30 --> 924.00] easily here on the +[924.00 --> 924.70] server at the studio. +[925.22 --> 926.84] But I'm not sure +[926.84 --> 927.78] I want to. +[928.30 --> 928.44] You know, +[928.48 --> 928.96] there's something +[928.96 --> 930.02] about the +[930.02 --> 931.26] master password +[931.26 --> 931.70] vault. +[932.06 --> 932.80] It's such a +[932.80 --> 934.00] sacred responsibility +[934.00 --> 936.76] that I almost +[936.76 --> 937.40] trust an +[937.40 --> 938.18] organization like +[938.18 --> 939.58] Bitwarden to be +[939.58 --> 940.58] more focused on +[940.58 --> 941.12] securing that +[941.12 --> 942.10] platform than I am. +[942.18 --> 943.28] Not that I really +[943.28 --> 944.06] have no concerns +[944.06 --> 944.76] about our security. +[945.00 --> 945.42] Really? +[946.30 --> 946.78] But there's +[946.78 --> 947.52] something that +[947.52 --> 948.18] still gives me +[948.18 --> 948.70] pause. +[949.12 --> 949.48] They've got one +[949.48 --> 950.28] job to do. +[950.42 --> 951.60] And I've actually +[951.60 --> 952.50] paid Bitwarden +[952.50 --> 953.44] the $10 a year +[953.44 --> 954.68] for two or three, +[954.82 --> 955.48] maybe four years +[955.48 --> 955.94] at this point. +[956.38 --> 956.94] I've been very, +[957.06 --> 957.44] very happy. +[957.64 --> 958.50] It just does the +[958.50 --> 958.78] job. +[958.94 --> 959.62] I never have to +[959.62 --> 960.36] think about it. +[960.68 --> 961.06] All of the +[961.06 --> 962.10] autofill stuff on +[962.10 --> 962.88] Android and iOS +[962.88 --> 963.50] just works +[963.50 --> 964.58] fantastically well. +[965.34 --> 965.58] You know, +[965.64 --> 966.88] $10 is that kind +[966.88 --> 968.34] of screw it +[968.34 --> 969.36] amount of money +[969.36 --> 969.92] when it's spread +[969.92 --> 970.86] over an entire year. +[971.00 --> 971.14] You know, +[971.18 --> 971.68] it's less than a +[971.68 --> 972.28] dollar a month. +[972.28 --> 973.72] And to just +[973.72 --> 974.56] not have to worry +[974.56 --> 975.20] about it and to +[975.20 --> 975.74] just not have to +[975.74 --> 976.48] think about it for +[976.48 --> 978.00] what, 80, 90 cents +[978.00 --> 978.44] a month, +[978.88 --> 979.82] that's worth it for me. +[980.06 --> 981.22] It reminds me of +[981.22 --> 982.20] why I kind of like +[982.20 --> 983.74] supporting Nebukasa +[983.74 --> 985.14] and how supporting +[985.14 --> 986.66] Nebukasa goes into +[986.66 --> 987.10] home assistant +[987.10 --> 987.62] development and +[987.62 --> 988.22] makes home assistant +[988.22 --> 988.56] better. +[988.88 --> 990.16] By subscribing to +[990.16 --> 990.90] Bitwarden, you're +[990.90 --> 991.88] helping them come up +[991.88 --> 992.40] with a sustainable +[992.40 --> 993.38] business model that +[993.38 --> 994.36] encourages them to +[994.36 --> 995.00] make the password +[995.00 --> 996.16] manager better and +[996.16 --> 996.92] keep their service +[996.92 --> 997.32] secure. +[997.32 --> 999.14] So it incentivizes +[999.14 --> 1000.14] the right things +[1000.14 --> 1001.56] and on top of that +[1001.56 --> 1002.02] it means I don't +[1002.02 --> 1002.56] have to host it +[1002.56 --> 1002.86] myself. +[1003.04 --> 1003.56] I haven't actually +[1003.56 --> 1004.40] made my decision +[1004.40 --> 1006.24] because I have +[1006.24 --> 1007.40] kept a lot of +[1007.40 --> 1008.38] business stuff in +[1008.38 --> 1009.30] LastPass for a +[1009.30 --> 1009.52] while. +[1009.66 --> 1010.16] I know I like +[1010.16 --> 1010.88] Bitwarden so I've +[1010.88 --> 1011.46] always thought that's +[1011.46 --> 1012.08] what I would jump +[1012.08 --> 1012.36] to. +[1013.20 --> 1013.74] And so I went over +[1013.74 --> 1015.18] to their subscription +[1015.18 --> 1016.50] pricing page and +[1016.50 --> 1017.26] they also offer +[1017.26 --> 1018.80] team plans for as +[1018.80 --> 1019.46] little as like $3 +[1019.46 --> 1020.58] per user and that's +[1020.58 --> 1021.74] still pretty reasonable. +[1022.54 --> 1023.22] So I think that might +[1023.22 --> 1023.96] be the direction I +[1023.96 --> 1024.50] end up going. +[1024.70 --> 1025.28] I'm going to research +[1025.28 --> 1025.96] more about how +[1025.96 --> 1026.92] they host it first +[1026.92 --> 1029.08] because I know a +[1029.08 --> 1030.24] big use case for me +[1030.24 --> 1031.52] a really big use +[1031.52 --> 1032.06] case for me is +[1032.06 --> 1032.82] mobile access. +[1033.40 --> 1034.08] It's such a +[1034.08 --> 1034.84] crapshoot with me. +[1034.96 --> 1035.88] I don't just connect +[1035.88 --> 1036.96] from one machine. +[1037.20 --> 1038.28] It's just ridiculous +[1038.28 --> 1039.00] especially when you +[1039.00 --> 1040.04] bring in like +[1040.04 --> 1041.38] traveling or setting +[1041.38 --> 1042.08] up family member +[1042.08 --> 1042.80] systems or. +[1043.18 --> 1043.64] And hosts. +[1043.98 --> 1044.62] Yeah it's just +[1044.62 --> 1045.34] it's ridiculous. +[1045.62 --> 1047.56] So I kind of like +[1047.56 --> 1048.40] the idea of something +[1048.40 --> 1048.94] where I'm not +[1048.94 --> 1050.06] handing out WireGuard +[1050.06 --> 1051.18] connections to 15 +[1051.18 --> 1052.02] different people so +[1052.02 --> 1052.58] that way they can +[1052.58 --> 1053.38] access the central +[1053.38 --> 1054.34] password database. +[1054.34 --> 1055.80] And don't forget +[1055.80 --> 1056.48] as well generally +[1056.48 --> 1057.28] the time when you +[1057.28 --> 1058.22] need Bitwarden the +[1058.22 --> 1059.00] most is when your +[1059.00 --> 1060.08] device is completely +[1060.08 --> 1061.50] brand new or empty. +[1062.16 --> 1062.26] Right. +[1062.66 --> 1063.48] And so you've always +[1063.48 --> 1064.26] got that awkward +[1064.26 --> 1065.30] first 10 minutes +[1065.30 --> 1065.88] where you're getting +[1065.88 --> 1066.94] you know your two +[1066.94 --> 1067.96] factor auth set up +[1067.96 --> 1068.86] again and your +[1068.86 --> 1069.86] Bitwarden whatever +[1069.86 --> 1070.60] set up again. +[1071.18 --> 1071.74] And once you've got +[1071.74 --> 1072.40] those two things +[1072.40 --> 1072.98] you're good to go +[1072.98 --> 1074.54] generally but yeah I +[1074.54 --> 1075.08] can see you don't +[1075.08 --> 1075.50] want to be handing +[1075.50 --> 1076.50] that out to randos. +[1077.04 --> 1077.50] If you do want to +[1077.50 --> 1078.06] self host it though +[1078.06 --> 1079.22] Alex like somebody +[1079.22 --> 1079.86] in our audience who +[1079.86 --> 1080.36] may have a different +[1080.36 --> 1081.74] use case it's easier +[1081.74 --> 1082.70] than ever now because +[1082.70 --> 1083.74] the Bitwarden +[1083.74 --> 1084.80] Rust server has a +[1084.80 --> 1086.12] Docker image fully +[1086.12 --> 1087.64] up to date as of +[1087.64 --> 1088.82] like 19 hours ago as +[1088.82 --> 1089.50] we record this. +[1089.98 --> 1091.16] It's like the old +[1091.16 --> 1092.52] proverb if something +[1092.52 --> 1093.56] isn't Dockerized at +[1093.56 --> 1094.20] this point does it +[1094.20 --> 1094.82] even exist? +[1095.78 --> 1096.74] Now another nice +[1096.74 --> 1097.60] thing that I do with +[1097.60 --> 1098.30] Bitwarden is I +[1098.30 --> 1098.72] actually share +[1098.72 --> 1099.54] passwords with my +[1099.54 --> 1099.84] wife. +[1100.06 --> 1100.92] She has a Bitwarden. +[1101.30 --> 1101.80] I don't think she +[1101.80 --> 1102.64] pays the premium I +[1102.64 --> 1103.30] think she just has the +[1103.30 --> 1104.94] basic free account but +[1104.94 --> 1105.64] we created an +[1105.64 --> 1107.14] organization and when +[1107.14 --> 1107.86] you create a +[1107.86 --> 1109.26] particular login you +[1109.26 --> 1110.52] can assign that login +[1110.52 --> 1111.72] to an organization and +[1111.72 --> 1112.52] share it with that +[1112.52 --> 1113.14] organization. +[1113.92 --> 1114.90] So certain passwords +[1114.90 --> 1115.94] for us like Amazon, +[1116.44 --> 1117.88] eBay, you know stuff +[1117.88 --> 1118.36] that you want to +[1118.36 --> 1120.10] share goes into that +[1120.10 --> 1122.04] shared area if you +[1122.04 --> 1122.64] like that shared +[1122.64 --> 1123.52] organization and we've +[1123.52 --> 1124.58] both got access to it. +[1124.70 --> 1125.38] I find that really +[1125.38 --> 1125.74] useful. +[1126.24 --> 1126.86] There's of course other +[1126.86 --> 1127.72] solutions out there. +[1127.84 --> 1128.70] Another beloved one in +[1128.70 --> 1129.38] the audience is +[1129.38 --> 1130.70] KeePass and KeePassX +[1130.70 --> 1132.36] and there's several +[1132.36 --> 1134.06] solutions to this but +[1134.06 --> 1135.08] Bitwarden is the one we +[1135.08 --> 1136.10] both landed on I think +[1136.10 --> 1137.60] in part because of the +[1137.60 --> 1138.56] UI, the browser +[1138.56 --> 1140.24] integration, the ability +[1140.24 --> 1142.12] to self-host and the +[1142.12 --> 1143.00] quality of the mobile +[1143.00 --> 1144.20] apps all kind of come +[1144.20 --> 1145.02] together to make it our +[1145.02 --> 1145.62] favorite choice. +[1146.16 --> 1146.80] So whilst we're sort of +[1146.80 --> 1147.86] kind of on the topic of +[1147.86 --> 1149.44] security, why don't we +[1149.44 --> 1151.70] discuss the Plex hoopla +[1151.70 --> 1152.68] that's been going on as +[1152.68 --> 1155.42] well about this botnet +[1155.42 --> 1156.26] thing that's been +[1156.26 --> 1157.70] amplifying stuff across +[1157.70 --> 1158.16] the internet? +[1158.16 --> 1159.50] It just stinks because +[1159.50 --> 1160.86] you know you got a Plex +[1160.86 --> 1162.28] server going, you've +[1162.28 --> 1163.02] opened it up to the +[1163.02 --> 1163.74] internet so that way you +[1163.74 --> 1164.40] can share it. +[1164.78 --> 1165.94] Some scanner finds your +[1165.94 --> 1167.74] server, indexes it and +[1167.74 --> 1168.84] then some botnet author +[1168.84 --> 1170.88] figures out a way to +[1170.88 --> 1171.78] take advantage of a +[1171.78 --> 1172.98] vulnerability in Plex to +[1172.98 --> 1174.86] amplify by a factor of +[1174.86 --> 1177.28] five their DDoS traffic. +[1177.50 --> 1179.48] They kind of corral all of +[1179.48 --> 1180.36] these different Plex +[1180.36 --> 1182.54] installs together to kind +[1182.54 --> 1183.90] of do this amplified +[1183.90 --> 1185.30] attack against a single +[1185.30 --> 1186.64] source and just happened +[1186.64 --> 1187.50] the last week as we're +[1187.50 --> 1188.20] recording this. +[1188.60 --> 1189.90] NetScout said that there +[1189.90 --> 1191.02] was a DDoS for hire +[1191.02 --> 1192.62] service that recently +[1192.62 --> 1194.16] turned misconfigured Plex +[1194.16 --> 1195.34] media servers into +[1195.34 --> 1196.74] amplifying attack servers. +[1196.74 --> 1198.72] Rut roll. +[1199.20 --> 1200.26] Yeah, not only does it +[1200.26 --> 1201.20] suck up all of your +[1201.20 --> 1202.40] bandwidth and attack +[1202.40 --> 1203.50] somebody but it also +[1203.50 --> 1204.64] runs your server like +[1204.64 --> 1205.06] crazy. +[1205.38 --> 1206.50] It's just bad. +[1206.98 --> 1207.90] Yeah, what really kind +[1207.90 --> 1209.30] of, I don't want to use +[1209.30 --> 1210.90] the word scared me, but +[1210.90 --> 1212.06] I suppose so, you know, +[1212.26 --> 1213.38] gave me cause for a +[1213.38 --> 1215.80] concern at least was just +[1215.80 --> 1218.78] opening port 32400, +[1218.96 --> 1222.52] 32400 on TCP, just +[1222.52 --> 1224.26] opening that port alone is +[1224.26 --> 1225.58] enough to be vulnerable +[1225.58 --> 1226.30] because it's such a +[1226.30 --> 1226.94] common port. +[1227.64 --> 1228.68] People will scan it and +[1228.68 --> 1229.58] find it and then be like, +[1229.64 --> 1230.34] oh, this guy's running +[1230.34 --> 1230.74] Plex. +[1231.10 --> 1231.24] Yeah. +[1231.48 --> 1233.14] So what I've done since +[1233.14 --> 1234.38] this vulnerability to +[1234.38 --> 1235.62] kind of remove myself +[1235.62 --> 1239.06] from the risk factor is +[1239.06 --> 1239.96] I've closed that port in +[1239.96 --> 1241.10] my firewall and I have +[1241.10 --> 1242.74] started to define a +[1242.74 --> 1244.66] custom server URL in my +[1244.66 --> 1245.68] Plex server settings. +[1245.68 --> 1248.04] And I set a DNS entry in +[1248.04 --> 1248.56] Cloudflare. +[1249.24 --> 1251.00] That then points to my +[1251.00 --> 1251.64] WAN IP. +[1252.60 --> 1254.20] From there, that then +[1254.20 --> 1256.00] points to a traffic +[1256.00 --> 1257.12] instance that's running on +[1257.12 --> 1257.94] the same server as +[1257.94 --> 1258.28] Plex. +[1259.00 --> 1260.22] And from there, it does a +[1260.22 --> 1261.72] standard reverse proxy +[1261.72 --> 1263.54] thing and just does the +[1263.54 --> 1265.32] remote access as if I was +[1265.32 --> 1267.16] going through port 32400 +[1267.16 --> 1269.08] like I was last month. +[1269.56 --> 1271.78] Very easy fix and I highly +[1271.78 --> 1272.76] recommend you take a look +[1272.76 --> 1273.16] into that. +[1273.16 --> 1274.06] That's a great idea +[1274.06 --> 1275.36] because Netscout said that +[1275.36 --> 1276.30] after a scan they +[1276.30 --> 1277.20] conducted, they found +[1277.20 --> 1279.26] about 27,000 servers on +[1279.26 --> 1280.06] the internet that can be +[1280.06 --> 1281.08] abused this way. +[1281.80 --> 1283.16] So it doesn't mean you +[1283.16 --> 1284.00] have to shut off remote +[1284.00 --> 1286.46] Plex, but it does mean +[1286.46 --> 1287.18] you should probably take +[1287.18 --> 1287.96] some steps to protect +[1287.96 --> 1288.30] yourself. +[1288.72 --> 1289.50] Yeah, just put it behind +[1289.50 --> 1290.24] a reverse proxy. +[1290.40 --> 1291.00] I mean, it doesn't have +[1291.00 --> 1291.46] to be traffic. +[1291.62 --> 1292.28] It could be Nginx. +[1292.38 --> 1292.84] It could be whatever. +[1293.22 --> 1296.02] But just don't open any +[1296.02 --> 1296.84] ports in your firewall. +[1296.96 --> 1297.96] You absolutely don't +[1297.96 --> 1298.44] need to. +[1298.92 --> 1300.18] Which actually brings me +[1300.18 --> 1301.62] very nicely onto a very, +[1301.76 --> 1302.48] very quick bit of +[1302.48 --> 1303.14] follow up about the +[1303.14 --> 1304.36] WireGuard rant I had +[1304.36 --> 1306.08] last week on OpenSense. +[1307.24 --> 1308.94] Turns out, like an +[1308.94 --> 1312.02] idiot, I set a slash 16 +[1312.02 --> 1313.96] subnet in my DHCP server. +[1314.82 --> 1315.48] Now for those that don't +[1315.48 --> 1316.60] know, what that means is +[1316.60 --> 1319.96] every address from 192.168.0 +[1319.96 --> 1323.70] all the way up to 192.168.255 +[1323.70 --> 1326.56] was within my DHCP range. +[1326.70 --> 1328.74] So I had 65,000 or whatever +[1328.74 --> 1330.24] DHCP addresses available. +[1331.24 --> 1332.92] The upshot of that was when +[1332.92 --> 1334.24] I was trying to route through +[1334.24 --> 1337.50] WireGuard, I was doing a 192.168.13 +[1337.50 --> 1338.54] subnet. +[1339.16 --> 1341.54] And so the remote servers were +[1341.54 --> 1343.64] hearing that were receiving the +[1343.64 --> 1344.88] commands from my laptop or my +[1344.88 --> 1345.42] phone or whatever. +[1345.92 --> 1347.66] But they didn't know how to route +[1347.66 --> 1349.68] back to the client device because +[1349.68 --> 1351.14] as far as they were concerned, the +[1351.14 --> 1352.70] slash 16 overrode everything and +[1352.70 --> 1353.72] it just thought everything was on +[1353.72 --> 1354.08] the LAN. +[1354.08 --> 1357.02] So what I did was I changed the +[1357.02 --> 1360.12] subnet of the WireGuard VPN to a +[1360.12 --> 1361.12] 10.something. +[1361.74 --> 1362.94] So it was a completely different +[1362.94 --> 1365.14] subnet and I reduced my slash 16 +[1365.14 --> 1367.14] down to a more manageable slash 20. +[1367.62 --> 1368.92] So I've only got a few thousand, like +[1368.92 --> 1370.98] 4,000 addresses now instead of +[1370.98 --> 1371.96] 65,000. +[1372.08 --> 1373.38] I think that should tie me over for a +[1373.38 --> 1373.72] bit, right? +[1374.08 --> 1374.60] Nicely done. +[1375.02 --> 1376.58] I definitely always suggest if +[1376.58 --> 1379.30] people can, different subnets for +[1379.30 --> 1381.68] the different VPN endpoints makes it +[1381.68 --> 1383.90] so much simpler, you know, and I've +[1383.90 --> 1385.40] tried, I've tried to do that myself +[1385.40 --> 1387.84] so many times because it can solve +[1387.84 --> 1390.76] you just a few simple problems and +[1390.76 --> 1392.74] keeps it a little clear in your +[1392.74 --> 1393.02] head. +[1393.18 --> 1396.12] Like I know that the studio is .4 +[1396.12 --> 1399.84] and home is .7 and the WireGuard +[1399.84 --> 1401.42] network is actually a .10 network. +[1401.54 --> 1402.50] It's all separated out. +[1402.86 --> 1402.96] Yeah. +[1403.02 --> 1404.20] So I just wanted to be absolutely +[1404.20 --> 1406.16] clear that the problem was the user +[1406.16 --> 1408.50] not OpenSense or WireGuard. +[1408.60 --> 1409.80] It was totally my fault. +[1409.80 --> 1412.92] And I owe a huge debt of gratitude to +[1412.92 --> 1414.18] one of our listeners who reached out +[1414.18 --> 1418.04] to me on Discord and did a screen +[1418.04 --> 1419.16] share with me and walked me through +[1419.16 --> 1420.40] it for half an hour because he works +[1420.40 --> 1423.32] in security down in Charlotte in +[1423.32 --> 1423.88] North Carolina. +[1424.56 --> 1426.12] And he sort of taught me some new +[1426.12 --> 1427.88] stuff about, you know, networking and +[1427.88 --> 1428.88] triage and that kind of stuff. +[1428.94 --> 1429.56] So that was pretty cool. +[1429.62 --> 1431.70] So huge thank you to that listener. +[1432.24 --> 1434.06] Sounds like somebody we should buy a +[1434.06 --> 1436.78] beer for when community events happen +[1436.78 --> 1437.10] again. +[1437.44 --> 1437.88] One day. +[1438.68 --> 1439.08] Yeah. +[1439.80 --> 1442.06] Well, if you'd like to learn +[1442.06 --> 1444.18] networking or anything else, ACG has +[1444.18 --> 1447.16] 20% off annual plans right now. +[1447.28 --> 1448.56] We'll have a link in the show notes +[1448.56 --> 1450.10] or just go to 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learners say that a cloud guru's +[1485.32 --> 1487.08] tools and content directly help them +[1487.08 --> 1488.22] advance their careers. +[1488.54 --> 1489.72] Spring into cloud21. +[1489.90 --> 1490.82] Link in the show notes or go to +[1490.82 --> 1492.20] cloudguru.com. +[1494.48 --> 1496.98] Ryan writes in with an IGPU question. +[1497.46 --> 1498.00] Hey there, friends. +[1498.08 --> 1499.12] I'm a big fan of the show. +[1499.72 --> 1501.50] I currently am in the process of building +[1501.50 --> 1503.10] an off-grid house in New Zealand. +[1503.42 --> 1504.88] Oh, that's the dream. +[1504.88 --> 1505.44] I know. +[1506.00 --> 1506.40] Right? +[1506.66 --> 1507.04] Amazing. +[1507.32 --> 1508.10] Can we come visit? +[1509.06 --> 1510.26] Self-hosted on tour. +[1511.08 --> 1513.32] Power consumption is key, so I want a +[1513.32 --> 1514.82] small box to run basically everything +[1514.82 --> 1516.62] I need, which thankfully isn't going to +[1516.62 --> 1517.36] be that much. +[1517.80 --> 1520.24] My question is, is it possible to run a +[1520.24 --> 1522.44] Linux server and pass through an IGPU to +[1522.44 --> 1525.42] a Windows VM for Blue Iris, while still +[1525.42 --> 1527.32] using the IGPU for containerized +[1527.32 --> 1528.60] applications like Plex? +[1529.24 --> 1531.26] I can't seem to see any problem with +[1531.26 --> 1533.08] this in theory, but wonder if you have +[1533.08 --> 1533.72] any ideas. +[1534.16 --> 1534.92] Love your work. +[1535.22 --> 1535.58] Ryan. +[1536.62 --> 1537.88] What do you think about this one? +[1537.98 --> 1539.90] I have also contemplated, is there a +[1539.90 --> 1541.52] way I can have my cake and eat it too +[1541.52 --> 1544.10] when it comes to an IGPU and a low +[1544.10 --> 1544.66] power system? +[1545.08 --> 1546.58] I thought I'd solve this problem. +[1546.64 --> 1547.94] I thought I had the answer. +[1548.46 --> 1551.50] And it was a technology called GVT-G, +[1551.50 --> 1555.20] which is a virtual graphics card kind +[1555.20 --> 1557.84] of slicing thing that basically lets you +[1557.84 --> 1561.58] take an Intel GPU built into your CPU +[1561.58 --> 1564.62] and slice it up into two slices and give +[1564.62 --> 1566.14] one to one VM and one to another. +[1566.34 --> 1569.04] So the obvious use case for that is to +[1569.04 --> 1571.66] give one slice to a Windows VM for Blue +[1571.66 --> 1574.14] Iris and then give the other slice to +[1574.14 --> 1576.84] another Linux VM for Plex and then keep +[1576.84 --> 1578.06] the host as clean as possible. +[1578.72 --> 1578.78] Yeah. +[1579.30 --> 1581.58] However, and I've written a blog post about +[1581.58 --> 1582.36] this this week. +[1583.22 --> 1586.54] Unfortunately, the performance of GVT-G is +[1586.54 --> 1587.78] horrible. +[1589.58 --> 1593.38] I found it to be anywhere from 58 to 82% +[1593.38 --> 1595.56] slower than Quicksync being run natively +[1595.56 --> 1596.54] on the bare metal host. +[1597.16 --> 1598.16] Holy smokes. +[1598.46 --> 1599.92] I did not expect that at all. +[1600.34 --> 1600.46] Yeah. +[1600.52 --> 1602.12] So my test that I did was it was pretty +[1602.12 --> 1604.54] unscientific, but it was a very real +[1604.54 --> 1605.56] world use case for me. +[1605.56 --> 1608.76] So I used the Plex sync for offline +[1608.76 --> 1612.22] playback feature and I chose a high bit +[1612.22 --> 1612.50] rate. +[1612.62 --> 1615.78] So about a 38 megabyte a second. +[1616.44 --> 1617.54] Was it megabit? +[1617.62 --> 1618.52] I always get confused. +[1618.96 --> 1622.62] Video file encoded with MPEG-4 and H.264 +[1622.62 --> 1626.52] with a DTS master audio soundtrack. +[1626.92 --> 1631.04] And I used the four megabytes a second 720p +[1631.04 --> 1634.00] sync for offline playback option within Plex. +[1634.00 --> 1636.36] And I did that on an iPad. +[1636.90 --> 1637.90] You know, that was the client. +[1638.02 --> 1639.48] I don't think that bit really mattered too +[1639.48 --> 1641.56] much, but I did a few different tests. +[1641.68 --> 1642.86] So I did a software render. +[1643.04 --> 1647.76] So this is using the Intel i5-8500 CPU. +[1648.24 --> 1650.20] I picked that up for about a hundred dollars +[1650.20 --> 1650.88] used on eBay. +[1651.04 --> 1652.32] So it's a pretty good value. +[1652.68 --> 1653.44] Four gigahertz. +[1653.54 --> 1656.44] I think 4.1 gigahertz, six core CPU. +[1657.20 --> 1661.60] With CPU rendering only, I saw a 1.1 times +[1661.60 --> 1662.32] speed. +[1662.32 --> 1665.96] The best I saw running it natively in QuickSync +[1665.96 --> 1668.00] on the host was 10.2. +[1668.52 --> 1671.22] And then on a sliding scale between those two +[1671.22 --> 1676.86] numbers of 1 times and 10 times, with the GVTG stuff set +[1676.86 --> 1682.78] into two slice mode, I saw only about a 1.8, 1.9 times. +[1683.32 --> 1687.68] So it was faster than CPU software encoding, you know, twice as fast +[1687.68 --> 1695.28] actually, but it was 80, what, something, 82% slower than running it on the +[1695.28 --> 1695.96] bare metal host. +[1695.96 --> 1702.70] So the other problem that I ran into, besides, you know, leaving 80 plus percent performance +[1702.70 --> 1705.44] on the table, was stability. +[1705.86 --> 1708.76] Unfortunately, that wasn't a great story either. +[1709.18 --> 1715.52] The problems I ran into were, so I was running Proxmox as the base OS because the Proxmox +[1715.52 --> 1720.86] wiki actually has a really great entry about enabling GVTG and QuickSync and pass through +[1720.86 --> 1721.64] and all that kind of stuff. +[1721.64 --> 1723.58] And it was really painless to get going. +[1723.68 --> 1726.52] It only took me an hour or so to figure it all out and get it going. +[1727.38 --> 1729.50] But the stability was just not there. +[1730.02 --> 1731.92] My evidence is only anecdotal, though. +[1732.34 --> 1736.12] Because of the instability, I couldn't really get the log files that I needed +[1736.12 --> 1741.68] because the system either had to be hard reset or it was just hanging and processes were just +[1741.68 --> 1743.48] hanging or I was getting kernel panics. +[1743.48 --> 1745.24] It was just a mess. +[1745.80 --> 1748.32] And, you know, at the end of the day... +[1748.32 --> 1751.92] Just not something you could just let run and just not have to think about it. +[1752.06 --> 1753.70] No, unfortunately, it wasn't. +[1753.80 --> 1759.76] And, you know, things worked fine until I powered on the Windows VM that was running Blue Iris. +[1760.00 --> 1763.54] And that system has six 4K cameras going into it. +[1763.58 --> 1765.38] So it's got a decent amount of load. +[1765.38 --> 1772.26] Now, I know for a fact that the i5 CPU can handle that load because it's been running in my HP 290 Slim +[1772.26 --> 1776.72] for six months just fine, handling everything perfectly. +[1777.24 --> 1784.86] But for some reason, when it's in the GVTG mode, it just, I guess, because the performance is so poor +[1784.86 --> 1791.04] with the emulation, whatever they're doing to slice the GPU up, however they're doing it in the Intel drivers, +[1791.04 --> 1799.72] it just meant that as soon as I powered up Blue Iris, within 30 minutes, the whole Proxmox system was just unhappy. +[1800.06 --> 1804.30] You know, like the web UI wouldn't load sometimes or you actually go and reboot the system +[1804.30 --> 1810.78] and you'll see SystemD printing out waiting on Kimu guest to shut down for like 30 minutes. +[1811.32 --> 1815.62] So it wasn't just guest stability issues, but the entire host. +[1815.82 --> 1816.14] Uh-huh. +[1817.06 --> 1817.90] Ooh, yeah. +[1818.18 --> 1819.56] Well, that's just a deal breaker. +[1819.56 --> 1822.18] Oh, man, Alex. +[1822.36 --> 1824.98] At the end of the day, you want it to be on and functional. +[1825.24 --> 1831.26] And yes, this is a hobby, and I do enjoy messing about with servers, but there comes a point. +[1831.34 --> 1832.34] It's not a full-time job. +[1832.50 --> 1833.24] No, exactly. +[1833.58 --> 1837.70] There comes a point where you're like, this S just needs to work now. +[1838.04 --> 1838.26] Yeah. +[1838.64 --> 1839.98] And it just didn't, unfortunately. +[1840.26 --> 1844.58] I think you crossed the threshold of devoting more time to this than most folks quite a while ago. +[1844.58 --> 1848.36] I mean, even taking a pass at the different encoding options, that's good insight. +[1848.36 --> 1854.76] And it really shows you that you're, I mean, yeah, it's almost twice as fast if you use GVT. +[1854.76 --> 1860.42] When you consider the stability issues, I would rather just use CPU encoding. +[1860.42 --> 1869.42] CPU encoding with QuickSync, because that's only pulling down about 10 watts when it's doing a full 1080p stream, and it's running at 10x real time. +[1869.92 --> 1874.70] So it actually, you know, in terms of performance per watt is the best thing out there. +[1874.94 --> 1879.18] I actually also, just for giggles, use my 1080 Ti to run one of these transcodes. +[1879.76 --> 1881.62] So QuickSync is running at 10x. +[1882.02 --> 1888.02] A 1080 Ti, which is pulling down 18 times the amount of power, is running at 17 times. +[1888.20 --> 1889.98] So 10x versus 17x. +[1890.08 --> 1890.50] Wow. +[1890.70 --> 1897.44] It's a good way to see the performance discrepancy between Intel's GPU and the NVIDIA GPU right there, isn't it? +[1897.46 --> 1897.96] You can really. +[1898.28 --> 1900.82] And then, of course, CPU with its measly 1.1x. +[1901.24 --> 1901.40] Yeah. +[1902.02 --> 1905.70] Performance per watt of the NVIDIA card was just hilariously bad. +[1906.06 --> 1906.58] Well, sure. +[1906.98 --> 1907.30] Sure. +[1907.30 --> 1914.94] So what I've ended up doing, actually, and this is to go back to Ryan's question now, is I've ended up splitting things back out into physical boxes. +[1915.56 --> 1920.04] The Blue Iris box is an HP290 Slim that I already had. +[1920.44 --> 1927.58] I've put the i5 back into there, and I bought another i5 to put into my server, so I have two now, which is a shame, but hey-ho. +[1928.06 --> 1932.36] I was doing some testing on the HP290 for average power usage. +[1932.36 --> 1938.12] When I say idle, what I mean by that is Blue Iris is running with its normal sort of load. +[1938.30 --> 1945.72] So an average sort of power usage I see on that box is anywhere from sort of 10 to 25 watts, depending on what it's doing. +[1945.72 --> 1951.08] Which, for the performance I'm getting, you know, that kind of power usage is fantastic, really. +[1951.82 --> 1960.20] And then my main server is pulling it anywhere with, you know, it's got, I think, 12 hard drives in it, anywhere from 40 to 80 watts at idle. +[1960.20 --> 1967.36] So, you know, it's all pretty good, pretty low, you know, to have all that performance for under 100 watts at idle is, I'm pretty happy with that. +[1967.90 --> 1969.64] Yeah, thanks for sharing the details with us. +[1969.68 --> 1970.86] You mentioned the blog in there. +[1970.96 --> 1973.38] Well, Sam actually writes in with our next question. +[1973.46 --> 1981.38] He's a new listener, and he says, I'd love to hear more about what Alex uses for building his blog, and if you've experimented with any other options and what you thought. +[1981.56 --> 1982.24] Thanks for the great show. +[1982.24 --> 1995.84] Well, several years ago, when I was launching LinuxServer.io, I actually had a personal blog, blog.katz.me, that got turned into LinuxServer's blog and eventually the LinuxServer website, and that kind of took over and became its own thing. +[1996.26 --> 2004.84] So we used to use WordPress, and then we moved to Ghost on LinuxServer, and this would be, I dread to think how long ago, like five years ago? +[2004.84 --> 2013.84] We moved to Ghost, and it's been so solid, I then ended up spinning up Ghost for my own personal blog to do, like, travel writing and all that kind of stuff as well. +[2014.58 --> 2022.22] So I use Ghost almost exclusively for blogging, and then the Perfect Media Server website is written in mkdocs. +[2022.70 --> 2024.66] I live vicariously through you on Ghost. +[2024.90 --> 2032.26] That was the route I thought I might go if I were going to set up a blog again, and I'm going to put a link to that in the show notes because I think that's worth checking out. +[2032.26 --> 2035.50] Although they've changed their model a lot since I first originally found them. +[2035.54 --> 2041.38] Now they seem like they're really focused on them hosting the blog, but you can still self-host and all that? +[2041.78 --> 2050.02] Self-host out of a container, yeah, and I've actually got a custom theme, so I spent quite a bit of time before the Perfect Media Server 2020 edition came out, +[2050.02 --> 2058.02] making sure that my blog had search and a few other different, you know, like fav icons and social media icons, all that kind of crap. +[2058.02 --> 2064.52] So you can customize the theme relatively easily, and all of that stuff is open source in GitHub. +[2064.80 --> 2067.60] So, you know, I have no complaints about Ghost at all. +[2067.66 --> 2069.02] It just does exactly what I need. +[2069.20 --> 2073.60] It looks pretty good, and you see it all over the place on the internet, really. +[2073.80 --> 2077.14] So I think that's kind of, you know, proof is in the pudding. +[2077.40 --> 2080.38] How many blogs do you see that are in Ghost? +[2080.72 --> 2081.46] Quite a few. +[2081.56 --> 2082.72] So yeah, it must be okay. +[2082.72 --> 2088.10] All right, so I think our final question for today, Tamo writes in about user account management. +[2088.90 --> 2091.92] Hi guys, I'm a new listener, and this show is perfect for me. +[2091.98 --> 2093.18] I started at episode one. +[2093.36 --> 2093.88] Well, thank you. +[2094.58 --> 2099.44] I was wondering if you have done a podcast about how you manage different servers and user accounts. +[2099.62 --> 2102.74] Do you have LDAP or some kind of centralized authentication? +[2103.70 --> 2110.68] I'm finding creating unique user accounts for every server and saving their credentials every time to be a bit of a pain in the bum. +[2110.68 --> 2113.14] I was wondering if you have any thoughts. +[2113.66 --> 2116.42] Looking through the episode descriptions, I didn't find anything about this. +[2116.64 --> 2117.92] Thanks, Tamo. +[2118.24 --> 2120.92] Good question, because it's been on my mind a lot. +[2121.58 --> 2128.86] Recently, Linux distributions like Fedora and Ubuntu added checkbox Active Directory support to their installers. +[2129.66 --> 2137.60] And that got me thinking, yeah, almost wouldn't mind having like an Active Directory setup here on the LAN, +[2137.60 --> 2142.56] either actual Active Directory or some Samba Frankenstein version of it. +[2142.78 --> 2148.06] But truthfully, what I have landed on is standardized accounts. +[2148.16 --> 2152.38] So we have a standardized Studio account, and I have an account on all the systems. +[2153.06 --> 2156.76] And the people who work here at the Studio, we know those logins. +[2156.76 --> 2159.68] And then for our server logins, we use SSH keys. +[2160.36 --> 2169.94] But I do long term have my eye on Systemd HomeD as a potential way to solve this, at least here on the LAN at the studio. +[2170.68 --> 2172.42] And I'll have a link to that in the show notes. +[2172.50 --> 2179.16] But essentially, it takes your home directory and all of your user information and puts it into JSON. +[2179.16 --> 2185.72] And then you can drop this home directory bundle into a Systemd HomeD enabled system. +[2186.06 --> 2191.94] And not only does your home directory show up there, but you also then become a user on the system. +[2192.56 --> 2195.82] That's obviously me giving you the short version. +[2196.06 --> 2197.28] But it has some potential. +[2197.52 --> 2202.68] So you could see here in the studio where perhaps we'd keep our master HomeD directories on the server +[2202.68 --> 2208.72] and then R-sync them down to the studio machines in my workstation, I don't know, every hour, every 24 hours. +[2208.80 --> 2209.16] I don't know. +[2209.48 --> 2210.48] I haven't really looked into it yet. +[2210.94 --> 2213.84] But if we did that, it would also sync down our user credentials. +[2214.50 --> 2219.26] Early days, just something that's on my horizon, kind of keeping on my radar as a possibility +[2219.26 --> 2221.42] because I don't need something too advanced. +[2221.72 --> 2226.10] I've managed large LDAP single sign-on installations in the past as part of my job. +[2226.10 --> 2228.90] And it worked surprisingly well for a long time. +[2228.94 --> 2230.88] And I just don't really have an interest in doing that anymore. +[2230.88 --> 2233.18] I mean, you could spin up LDAP. +[2233.26 --> 2234.40] You could do free IPA. +[2234.48 --> 2235.54] You could do a lot of things. +[2235.90 --> 2236.90] You could do Active Directory. +[2237.08 --> 2238.28] It sounds kind of fun. +[2238.32 --> 2238.66] I don't know. +[2239.36 --> 2239.76] Yeah. +[2239.94 --> 2245.72] But I don't know about you, but I've got to the point over the last decade where I'm managing so many different systems. +[2246.02 --> 2249.54] Some of them are in different houses or different cloud providers or stuff like that, +[2249.62 --> 2256.72] that having them sync back to a central authentication would just be so complicated. +[2256.72 --> 2263.14] I've kind of got, I feel like, half-decent context switching between the different servers and knowing, +[2263.28 --> 2266.32] oh, right, I don't have that particular setup on this one. +[2266.42 --> 2271.92] And any files I do need to sync between various things, I have my NAS, and I just mount that via Samba. +[2272.82 --> 2275.44] And I don't really worry too much about the home directory. +[2275.54 --> 2278.72] Anything that's in there, in my opinion at least, is ephemeral. +[2279.36 --> 2282.30] It goes in Git or it goes in Samba or it gets lost. +[2282.42 --> 2283.52] That's kind of how I treat it. +[2283.52 --> 2284.00] Yeah. +[2284.40 --> 2294.16] I think in part it's because I have, in full disclosure, I've accepted a security practice on the LAN of the studio that probably you shouldn't do, +[2294.24 --> 2299.00] and that is we don't rotate passwords very often, maybe once every couple of years. +[2299.18 --> 2300.00] But then again… +[2300.00 --> 2300.46] It's convenient. +[2300.74 --> 2301.34] I'll give you that. +[2301.62 --> 2301.82] Yeah. +[2301.86 --> 2305.24] And as far as physical access goes, it's a real small handful of people. +[2305.70 --> 2308.92] It's not like an organization with an office of 20 here. +[2308.92 --> 2318.34] And then for the servers, it's pretty much all down to SSH keys, and all remote login is usually done with that. +[2318.46 --> 2322.80] Any access to the LAN is done with WireGuard, and that has its own set of keys. +[2323.20 --> 2324.74] So there's some layers there. +[2325.24 --> 2327.66] Every now and then, I still think it's a fair question. +[2327.74 --> 2331.16] I still think to myself, I could do this a little better. +[2331.16 --> 2339.02] And I do fantasize about a future where I deploy everything pragmatically, and then everything has central sign-on and central storage. +[2339.72 --> 2343.04] But I think I'd have to clone myself to get there. +[2344.08 --> 2345.94] But this goes back to the point at the beginning, right? +[2346.02 --> 2348.56] You use Arch because you just want to get stuff done. +[2348.78 --> 2354.20] And I think we don't use a central authentication system because we just want to get stuff done. +[2354.20 --> 2364.50] We don't want to spend the week or two figuring it out and setting it up, and then every time we reinstall a box, attaching it to a domain controller or whatever it is. +[2364.82 --> 2364.94] Right. +[2365.34 --> 2368.84] I think it's just pragmatism, isn't it, that means we're lazy and don't do it. +[2370.32 --> 2371.40] Maybe that's a bit of it. +[2371.66 --> 2372.54] We've gotten old. +[2372.74 --> 2378.12] What we need is a young SSH intern to come into the studio and whip us together and get a single sign-on going. +[2378.52 --> 2379.72] Yeah, maybe, maybe. +[2379.72 --> 2385.10] Thank you to our members over at selfhosted.show.sre. +[2385.22 --> 2386.40] Thank you for supporting the show. +[2386.58 --> 2394.36] As a thank you, we supply you a limited ad version of the show, and you also in that feed get extra content the post show. +[2394.52 --> 2397.80] Thank you very much to our members at selfhosted.show.sre. +[2398.28 --> 2402.86] We're going to have a little bit of a 3D printing hoedown in the post show today, I think. +[2403.24 --> 2407.00] Yeah, I look forward to that, and I also have a bit of a confession to make. +[2407.00 --> 2409.20] Just a little bit of business before we go. +[2409.20 --> 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