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<Meeting Session="Bmr026" DateTimeStamp="2001-06-07-1455" Version="2" VersionDate="Jan 7 2004">
<Preamble>
<Notes>
mn017 left a little early, and did not read digits.
Periodic spikes and distortions on Channel 4.
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<Segment StartTime="0.000" EndTime="0.351" Participant="me013">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="0.427" EndTime="1.164" Participant="me011">
O_K, we're <Emphasis> on. </Emphasis>
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<Segment StartTime="1.711" EndTime="6.785" Participant="me011">
So, I think this is gonna be a pretty short meeting because I have <Emphasis> four </Emphasis> agenda items, <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> of them were
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<Segment StartTime="7.462" EndTime="10.057" Participant="me011">
requested by Jane who is not gonna be at the meeting today.
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<VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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<Segment StartTime="10.566" EndTime="12.539" Participant="me013">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="10.914" EndTime="11.678" Participant="me011">
So.
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<Segment StartTime="11.431" EndTime="13.353" Participant="mn017">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="11.678" EndTime="12.987" Participant="me011">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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<Segment StartTime="13.845" EndTime="18.753" Participant="me011">
The uh <Emphasis> first </Emphasis> was transcription status. <Comment Description="rising"/> Does anyone besides Jane know what the transcription status is?
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<Segment StartTime="18.930" EndTime="22.200" Participant="me018">
Um, sort of, I do, peripherally. Um -
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<Segment StartTime="21.621" EndTime="22.860" Participant="mn014">
Is that English?
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<Segment StartTime="22.860" EndTime="24.112" Participant="mn014">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="22.880" EndTime="26.497" Participant="me018">
Well first of all with I_B_M I got a note from Brian yesterday saying that they
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="26.786" EndTime="29.360" Participant="mn017">
That's <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> system. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="27.050" EndTime="28.539" Participant="me018">
finally made the tape for
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<Segment StartTime="27.570" EndTime="29.240" Participant="mn014">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="28.851" EndTime="29.446" Participant="me011">
Ugh! <Comment Description="vocal gesture of displeasure"/>
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<Segment StartTime="29.390" EndTime="34.484" Participant="me018">
the <Emphasis> thing </Emphasis> that we sent them a <Pause/> week or week and a half ago and that it's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we'll
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<Segment StartTime="34.967" EndTime="36.439" Participant="me018">
have the <Emphasis> transcription </Emphasis> back from that.
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<Segment StartTime="35.017" EndTime="36.022" Participant="me001">
<VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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<Segment StartTime="37.120" EndTime="37.890" Participant="me018">
Um -
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<Segment StartTime="37.120" EndTime="38.180" Participant="me011">
C- can I have a pen?
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<Segment StartTime="39.240" EndTime="41.379" Participant="me018">
Jane seems to be um
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<Segment StartTime="41.780" EndTime="42.787" Participant="me018">
moving right along on the
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<Segment StartTime="43.210" EndTime="47.269" Participant="me018">
transcriptions from the <Emphasis> ICSI </Emphasis> side. She's assigned, I think
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<Segment StartTime="47.860" EndTime="48.401" Participant="me018">
probably
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<Segment StartTime="49.100" EndTime="50.196" Participant="me018">
five or six
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<Segment StartTime="50.240" EndTime="53.140" Participant="mn014">
Yeah, I think we're up to M_R thirteen or something.
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<Segment StartTime="50.503" EndTime="51.873" Participant="me018">
m- more meetings.
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<Segment StartTime="52.730" EndTime="56.616" Participant="me018">
Yeah, so um, I guess she's hired some new transcribers and -
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<Segment StartTime="52.759" EndTime="53.282" Participant="mn017">
Mmm.
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<Segment StartTime="56.570" EndTime="58.190" Participant="me001">
Which meetings is she transcribing?
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<Segment StartTime="56.922" EndTime="57.705" Participant="mn017">
Speaking -
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<Segment StartTime="58.190" EndTime="62.939" Participant="me018">
Um well we've - we've run out of E_D_Us because a certain number of them are um, sort of
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<Segment StartTime="60.423" EndTime="61.084" Participant="me001">
O_K.
</Segment>
<Segment StartTime="63.461" EndTime="64.104" Participant="me018">
awaiting
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<Segment StartTime="64.500" EndTime="65.731" Participant="me018">
to go to I_B_M.
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<Segment StartTime="65.079" EndTime="66.110" Participant="mn014">
For I_B_M, yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="65.794" EndTime="66.473" Participant="me001">
O_K.
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<Segment StartTime="65.864" EndTime="66.427" Participant="mn017">
Hmm.
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<Segment StartTime="66.110" EndTime="69.651" Participant="me018">
and the rest are in process being transcribed uh here.
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<Segment StartTime="67.720" EndTime="68.576" Participant="me013">
<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Segment StartTime="68.890" EndTime="70.480" Participant="me001">
So we're doing some in parallel.
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<Segment StartTime="69.270" EndTime="74.390" Participant="mn017">
So does she have transcribers right now who are basically sitting idle because there's no data back from
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<Segment StartTime="71.096" EndTime="71.545" Participant="me011">
Yep.
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<Segment StartTime="72.927" EndTime="73.245" Participant="me018">
No.
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<Segment StartTime="74.630" EndTime="79.360" Participant="me011">
No, no. We haven't done that process. So. They'r- they're doing the full transcription process.
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<Segment StartTime="74.630" EndTime="76.601" Participant="me018">
<Emphasis> Oh </Emphasis> no no. No. We're not waiting on them.
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<Segment StartTime="74.880" EndTime="75.970" Participant="mn017">
I_B_M no?
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<Segment StartTime="76.904" EndTime="77.490" Participant="mn017">
Oh.
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<Segment StartTime="79.330" EndTime="79.880" Participant="mn017">
Oh, O_K.
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<Segment StartTime="79.700" EndTime="80.199" Participant="me018">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="79.880" EndTime="81.489" Participant="me001">
So they're just doing their own thing until -
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<Segment StartTime="80.454" EndTime="81.820" Participant="mn017">
Because I -
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<Segment StartTime="80.990" EndTime="82.450" Participant="me018">
We're doing it in parallel, yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="82.044" EndTime="82.545" Participant="me001">
O_K.
</Segment>
<Segment StartTime="82.100" EndTime="85.065" Participant="mn017">
I need to ask Jane whether it's - it would be O_K for her -
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<Segment StartTime="85.760" EndTime="88.402" Participant="mn017">
um, s- some of her people to
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<Segment StartTime="88.848" EndTime="97.204" Participant="mn017">
transcribe uh some of the initial data we got from the SmartKom data collection, which is these short like five or seven minute sessions.
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<Segment StartTime="96.082" EndTime="96.550" Participant="mn014">
Yep.
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<Segment StartTime="97.664" EndTime="100.003" Participant="mn017">
Um and we want it - You know, we need -
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<Segment StartTime="100.358" EndTime="102.867" Participant="mn017">
The - <Emphasis> Again, </Emphasis> we - we have a similar uh
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<Segment StartTime="103.227" EndTime="107.836" Participant="mn017">
logistic set-up where we <Uncertain> are </Uncertain> supposed to send the data to Munich and get it transcribed and get it back.
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<VocalSound Description="breath"/> <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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<Segment StartTime="106.383" EndTime="106.878" Participant="me011">
Right.
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<Segment StartTime="108.340" EndTime="112.689" Participant="mn017">
But to get <Emphasis> going </Emphasis> we would like some of the data transcribed right away so we can get <Emphasis> started. </Emphasis>
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<Segment StartTime="112.416" EndTime="113.829" Participant="me011">
Yep, sounds familiar. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="113.400" EndTime="116.702" Participant="mn017">
And so um I wanted to ask Jane if - if
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Segment StartTime="117.440" EndTime="119.099" Participant="mn017">
uh, you know, maybe one of their
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<Segment StartTime="119.460" EndTime="124.173" Participant="mn017">
transcribers could - could do - I mean since these are very <Emphasis> short, </Emphasis> that should really be uh,
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<Segment StartTime="123.477" EndTime="123.934" Participant="me013">
Mm-hmm.
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<Segment StartTime="124.673" EndTime="125.470" Participant="mn017">
um -
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<Segment StartTime="125.296" EndTime="126.589" Participant="mn014">
There's only two channels.
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<Segment StartTime="127.090" EndTime="131.214" Participant="mn014">
So it's only - Yeah. As the synthesis doesn't have to be <Emphasis> transcribed </Emphasis> I think. So.
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<Segment StartTime="127.620" EndTime="129.072" Participant="mn017">
It's - Yeah. It's only two -
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<Segment StartTime="129.910" EndTime="130.477" Participant="mn017">
Right, s-
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<Segment StartTime="130.950" EndTime="135.466" Participant="mn017">
Yeah. So - So it's basically one channel to transcribe. And it's - One session is only
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<Segment StartTime="135.466" EndTime="137.128" Participant="mn017">
uh like seven -
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<Segment StartTime="136.019" EndTime="144.913" Participant="me013">
So that should have ma- many fewer - And it's also not uh- a bunch of interruptions with people and all that, right? So. <Pause/> Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="141.790" EndTime="146.266" Participant="mn017">
Right. And <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> of it is <Emphasis> read </Emphasis> speech, so we could give them the -
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<Segment StartTime="146.633" EndTime="149.250" Participant="mn017">
the thing that they're reading and they just may -
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<Segment StartTime="148.736" EndTime="150.103" Participant="me011">
Make sure it's right. <Comment Description="completing [mn017]'s utterance"/>
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<Segment StartTime="149.865" EndTime="151.264" Participant="mn017">
And so um,
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<Segment StartTime="150.258" EndTime="150.819" Participant="mn014">
Yep.
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<Segment StartTime="151.844" EndTime="156.658" Participant="mn017">
um, I guess since she's - I was gonna ask her but since she's not around I - maybe I'll -
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<Segment StartTime="157.358" EndTime="159.075" Participant="me013">
Yeah, well it certainly seems -
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<Segment StartTime="157.600" EndTime="160.354" Participant="mn017">
Uh if - if that's O_K with you to - to, you know,
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<Segment StartTime="160.321" EndTime="160.714" Participant="me013">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="160.879" EndTime="163.750" Participant="mn017">
get that stuff uh - to ask her for that, then I'll do that.
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<Segment StartTime="163.710" EndTime="172.657" Participant="me013">
Yeah, if we're held up on this other stuff a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> bit in order to encompass that, that's O_K because I- I- um, I mean I still have high hopes that the- that the I_B_M pipeline'll work out for us, so it's -
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<Segment StartTime="168.227" EndTime="168.712" Participant="mn017">
Yeah.
</Segment>
<Segment StartTime="171.578" EndTime="173.358" Participant="mn017">
O_K, yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="174.006" EndTime="174.405" Participant="me013">
Yeah.
</Segment>
<Segment StartTime="174.440" EndTime="175.220" Participant="mn017">
Alrighty.
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<Segment StartTime="174.480" EndTime="189.728" Participant="me018">
Oh, yeah, and also related to the <Emphasis> transcription </Emphasis> stuff, so I've been trying to keep a web page uh up to date f- showing what the current status is of the trans- of all the things we've collected and what stage each meeting is in, in terms of whether it's -
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Segment StartTime="188.988" EndTime="190.813" Participant="me011">
Can you mail that out to the list?
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<Segment StartTime="190.460" EndTime="195.966" Participant="me018">
Mm-hmm, yeah I will. I - That's the thing that I sent out just to <Uncertain> foo </Uncertain> people saying can you update these pages and so that's where I'm putting it but I'll -
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<Segment StartTime="194.841" EndTime="196.294" Participant="me011">
Oh, O_K, O_K.
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<Segment StartTime="196.480" EndTime="198.839" Participant="me018">
I'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it.
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<Segment StartTime="198.422" EndTime="203.329" Participant="me011">
Yeah, I haven't done that. So. I have lots of stuff to add that's just in my own directory. I'll try to get to that.
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<Segment StartTime="201.200" EndTime="202.060" Participant="me018">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="206.818" EndTime="217.969" Participant="me011">
O_K. So Jane also wanted to talk about participant approval, but I don't really think there's much to talk about. I'm just gonna do it. <Pause/> And uh, if anyone objects too much then they can do it instead. <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="217.410" EndTime="218.768" Participant="me013">
You are going to -
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I'm gonna send out to the participants, uh, with links to web pages which contain the transcripts and allow them to
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Pause/> suggest edits. And then bleep them out.
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<Segment StartTime="230.196" EndTime="230.674" Participant="me013">
O_K.
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<Segment StartTime="230.770" EndTime="232.099" Participant="me011">
For the ones that we have.
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<Segment StartTime="233.046" EndTime="236.010" Participant="mn014">
So but it's just transcripts, not the - not the audio?
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<Segment StartTime="233.055" EndTime="233.682" Participant="me011">
Um -
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<Segment StartTime="235.905" EndTime="238.460" Participant="me011">
Nope, they'll have access to the audio also.
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<Segment StartTime="236.299" EndTime="239.040" Participant="mn014">
O_K, yeah, yep. Ah.
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<Segment StartTime="240.510" EndTime="245.850" Participant="me011">
I mean that's my intention. Because the transcripts might not be right. So you want people to be able to listen to them.
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<Segment StartTime="241.209" EndTime="241.571" Participant="mn014">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="241.510" EndTime="242.850" Participant="me018">
So -
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Segment StartTime="244.023" EndTime="244.343" Participant="mn014">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="245.730" EndTime="253.230" Participant="me018">
So, um the audio that they're gonna have access to, will that be the <Emphasis> uncompressed </Emphasis> version? Or will you have scripts that like uncompress the various pieces and -
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<Segment StartTime="252.229" EndTime="253.590" Participant="me011">
Oh, that's a good point.
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<Segment StartTime="254.180" EndTime="264.050" Participant="me011">
That's a good point. Yeah, it's - it's probably going to have to be the <Emphasis> uncompressed </Emphasis> versions because, uh, uh, it takes too long to do random access decompression.
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<Segment StartTime="262.660" EndTime="263.189" Participant="me018">
Hmm.
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<Segment StartTime="264.720" EndTime="269.610" Participant="me018">
Yeah, I was just wondering because we're uh running out of the un-backed-up disk space on
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<Segment StartTime="268.827" EndTime="272.276" Participant="me011">
Well, that was the other point. <Pause/> Yep, that's another agenda item.
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<Segment StartTime="270.130" EndTime="271.760" Participant="me018">
Oh, was that another one? O_K. I'll wait.
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<Segment StartTime="272.978" EndTime="274.072" Participant="me011">
So, uh -
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<NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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<Segment StartTime="275.750" EndTime="291.900" Participant="me011">
But that is a good point so we'll get to that, too. Um, DARPA demo status, not much to say. The back-end stuff is working out fine. It's more or less ready to go. I've added some stuff that uh indes- indexes by the meeting type M_R, E_D_U, et cetera and also by the user I_D.
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<VocalSound Description="breath"/> <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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<Segment StartTime="292.560" EndTime="295.348" Participant="me011">
So that the <Emphasis> front-end </Emphasis> can then do <Emphasis> filtering </Emphasis> based on that as well.
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<Segment StartTime="295.850" EndTime="296.363" Participant="me011">
Uh -
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<Segment StartTime="296.770" EndTime="303.080" Participant="me011">
The back-end is uh, going more slowly as I s- I think I said before just cuz I'm not much of a Tcl-T_K programmer.
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<Segment StartTime="303.080" EndTime="311.887" Participant="me011">
<Pause/> And uh Dave Gelbart says he's a little too busy. So I think Don and I are gonna work on that and - and you and I can just talk about it off-line more.
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<Segment StartTime="311.460" EndTime="312.120" Participant="me001">
Right.
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<Segment StartTime="313.120" EndTime="319.038" Participant="me011">
But uh <Pause/> the <Emphasis> back-end </Emphasis> was pretty smooth. So I think, we'll have something. It may not be as -
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<Segment StartTime="314.207" EndTime="314.890" Participant="me013">
Oh-
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As pretty as we <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> like, but we'll have something.
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<Segment StartTime="321.866" EndTime="328.549" Participant="me013">
I wondered whe- when we would reach Dave's saturation point. He's sort of been - been volunteering for everything and <Pause/> and uh -
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="324.584" EndTime="327.228" Participant="me011">
<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> Yeah.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Segment StartTime="326.962" EndTime="327.690" Participant="mn017">
Mm-hmm.
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O_<Emphasis> K. </Emphasis> Finally said he was too <Emphasis> busy. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> I guess we <Emphasis> reached </Emphasis> it.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> Yeah, he - he actually - he volunteered but then he s- then he retracted it. So. Oh well.
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<VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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<Segment StartTime="337.840" EndTime="338.806" Participant="me011">
Um -
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And, also um,
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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<Segment StartTime="341.380" EndTime="343.836" Participant="me001">
I was just showing Andreas, I got um an X_Waves
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kind of display, and I don't know how much more we can do with it - with like the prosodic stuff where we have like stylized pitches and signals and the transcripts on the bottom so, right now it's just an X_Waves and then you have three windows but I don't know, it looked pretty nice and I'm sure it - think it has potential for
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<Segment StartTime="349.979" EndTime="350.797" Participant="me011">
Oh, cool.
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<Segment StartTime="359.400" EndTime="361.952" Participant="me011">
For a demo? <Pause/> Yeah, sounds good.
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<Segment StartTime="359.730" EndTime="361.997" Participant="me001">
a little something, yeah, for a demo.
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So -
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<Segment StartTime="363.154" EndTime="370.956" Participant="me013">
O_K, so again, the issue is - For July, the issue's gonna be what can we fit into a Windows machine, uh, and so on, but -
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Oh. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> O_K.
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So it might just be slides.
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Yeah, O_K. Well, we'll see, um -
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<Uncertain> Well - </Uncertain> <Pause/> Yeah.
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I've been putting together uh Transcriber things for Windows so i- And I installed it on Dave Gelbart's P_C and it worked just fine. So hopefully that will work.
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Really? So is that -
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Because there's some people um -
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It would be cool if we could uh get that to work uh at - at S_R_I because the um -
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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<Uncertain> Well </Uncertain>
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we have m- m- We have more Windows machines to run the -
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Transcriber is Tcl-T_K, very generic with Snack, so basically anything you can get Snack to run on, it will work.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah but - But the problem is
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the version Transcriber works with, the Snack version, is one point six whatever and that's not anymore supported. It's not on - on the web page anymore. But I just wrote an email to - to the author of - to the Snack author and he sent me to one point six whatever library and so it works.
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Well I thought it was packaged with <Emphasis> Transcriber? </Emphasis>
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Yeah, but then you can't add our patches and then
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Oh.
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the - the new version is - is totally different a- and in - yeah, in terms of - of the source code. You - you can't find the Tcl files anymore. It's some whatever wrapped thing and you can't - you can't access that so
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Ah.
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Mmm.
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you have to install - First install Tcl then install Snack and then install the Transcriber thing and <Emphasis> then </Emphasis>
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do the patches. Yeah.
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Patch. Ugh!
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I - I wonder if - if we should
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contribute our changes back to the authors so that they maintain those changes along - We have? Oh.
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Yeah.
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We have - <Pause/> Yeah b- it's just hasn't made it into the release yet.
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Oh, O_K.
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So did you um
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put the uh - <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> the N_T version out on the uh Meeting Recorder page? Or -
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No, I haven't done that yet. I'm - <Uncertain> oh </Uncertain> Nope.
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But I definitely will do that.
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So, can some of the stuff that Don's talking about somehow fit into this
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Uh, mean you just have a set of numbers that are associated with the -
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's basically ASCII files or binary files, whatever representation. Just three different - It's a waveform and
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So -
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just a stylized pitch vector basically so it's -
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So - So - Well -
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I mean we could do it in Matl- <Comment Description="start of &quot;Matlab&quot;"/> I mean you could do it in a number of different places I'm sure.
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But - But it would be cool if the Transcriber interface had like another window for the - you know, maybe above the waveform where it would show some arbitrary
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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valued function that is - that is you know time synchron- ti-
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Yeah, that'd be very cool.
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Yes.
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It'd be easy enough to add that. Again it's - it's <Pause/> It's more Tcl-T_<Emphasis> K </Emphasis> programming. So someone who's familiar with Tcl-T_K has to do it, but uh, it wouldn't be hard to do.
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ti- time synchronous with the waveform.
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Yeah.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Right.
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Right.
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But it would almost be like having another waveform displayed. S- Right.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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<Segment StartTime="515.445" EndTime="517.957" Participant="mn014">
Yeah. <Pause/> Yeah, maybe we could l- look into that.
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Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="518.649" EndTime="519.868" Participant="me011">
But it - it seems to me that
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And -
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I c-
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It doesn't seem like having that real time is that necessary. So yo- It seems to me you could do images.
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Um <Pause/> What do you mean by real time? Do you mean like -
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Like being able to scroll through it and stuff for the demo.
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O_K.
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Is that what you mean? Yeah.
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Yeah, jus- <Emphasis> Yeah. </Emphasis> It just seems to me jus-
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It would be cool to see it - It would be cool like to see -
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to hear it and see it, and see the pitch contours also.
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And to <Emphasis> hear </Emphasis> it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sure, but I don't think - I - You can do all that just statically in PowerPoint.
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I think it would lose -
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Yeah, I mean y-
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Just record the audio clip and show an image and I think that's -
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Right, right.
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I just thought if you meant slides I thought you meant like just <Pause/>
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like <Pause/>
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um <Emphasis> view </Emphasis> graphs or something.
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<Segment StartTime="556.446" EndTime="570.458" Participant="me013">
You know, wh- Yeah. So. Uh, no, we're talking about on the computer and - and um, I think when we were talking about this before we had littl- this little demo meeting, we sort of set up a range of different degrees of liveness that you could have
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Right.
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<Pause/> and, <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> the more live, the better, but uh, given the crunch of time, we may have to retreat from it to some extent. So I think -
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<Pause/> For a <Emphasis> lot </Emphasis> of reasons, I think it would be very nice to have this Transcriber interface be able to show some other interesting signal along with it so it'd be a good thing to get in there. But,
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Mm-hmm.
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um - <Emphasis> Anyway, </Emphasis> jus- just looking for ways that we could actually show what you're doing, uh,
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Mm-hmm.
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in - <Pause/> to people.
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Cuz a lot of this stuff, <Emphasis> particularly </Emphasis> for Communicator, uh certainly a significant chunk of the things that we waved our arms about th- originally had t- had to do with prosodics
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<Uncertain> It'd </Uncertain> be nice to show that we can actually get them and
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Mm-hmm.
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Mmm.
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see them.
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And the last i- item on the agenda is disk issues yet again. So, we're doing O_K on backed up. We're - We're only about thirty percent on the second disk.
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So, uh,
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we have a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> bit of time before that becomes critical, but we are like ninety five percent, ninety eight percent on the scratch disks for the expanded meetings.
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Yeah.
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And, my original intention was like we would just delete them as we needed more space, but unfortunately we're in the position where we have to deal with all the meeting data
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<Pause/> all at once, in a lot of different ways.
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Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="644.630" EndTime="646.690" Participant="me018">
Oh there's a lot of <Emphasis> transcribers, </Emphasis> too.
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<Segment StartTime="646.265" EndTime="654.290" Participant="me011">
Yeah, there're a lot of transcribers, so all of those need to be expanded, and then people are doing chunking and I want to do uh, uh,
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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An-
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Right.
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uh, the permission forms, so I want those to be live, so there's a lot of data that has to be around.
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Um -
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And Jane was gonna talk to, uh, Dave Johnson about it. One of the things I was thinking is we - we just got these hundred - alright, excuse me - ten, uh
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SPARC-Blade
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Did they come in?
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<Segment StartTime="672.790" EndTime="679.822" Participant="me011">
SUN-Blades. They came in but they're not set up yet. And so it seems to me we could hang scratch disk on those
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SUN-Blades. Yeah. They came in the other day.
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Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="675.510" EndTime="676.016" Participant="me013">
Oh.
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<Pause/> because they'll be in the machine room, they'll be on the fast connection to the rest of the machines.
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<Segment StartTime="684.472" EndTime="688.177" Participant="me011">
<Pause/> And if we just need un-backed-up space, we could just hang disks off them.
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Well, is there - Why not just hang <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;em&quot;"> them </Pronounce> off of Abbott, is there a -
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<Segment StartTime="691.462" EndTime="692.032" Participant="me013">
Yeah.
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<Segment StartTime="691.610" EndTime="694.740" Participant="me011">
Because there's no more room in the <Emphasis> disk </Emphasis> racks on Abbott.
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Ah.
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Ah, I see.
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<Segment StartTime="695.161" EndTime="697.869" Participant="me013">
Weren't we gonna get - Well, maybe it should get another rack.
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<Segment StartTime="696.640" EndTime="699.090" Participant="mn017">
But you <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> need to <Emphasis> store </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> disks </Emphasis> somehow.
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<Segment StartTime="699.650" EndTime="702.530" Participant="me011">
Well, but the SUN-Blades have spare drive bays.
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So -
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Just put them in.
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You can put two -
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Oh you mean you put them inside the pizza boxes for the -
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Internal. Yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Cuz the SUN - uh, these SUN-Blades take commodity hard drives. So you can just go out and buy a P_C hard drive and stick it in.
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Mmm.
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But if Abbott is going to be our disk server it - it - <Emphasis> file </Emphasis> server <Comment Description="correction"/> it seems like we would want to get it, uh, a second disk rack or something.
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Plus we're talking about buying a second dis- uh, <Emphasis> file </Emphasis> server. <Comment Description="correction"/>
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Well, I mean there are <Emphasis> lots </Emphasis> of long term solutions. What I'm looking for is where do we s- expand the next meeting?
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Yep.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Uncertain> I see </Uncertain> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> Oh, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see.
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<Segment StartTime="736.505" EndTime="742.754" Participant="me013">
Well, for the next meeting you might be out of luck with those <Emphasis> ten, </Emphasis> mightn't you? Uh, you know Dave Johnson is gone for, like, ten days,
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<Segment StartTime="742.502" EndTime="743.905" Participant="me011">
Oh, I didn't know he had left already.
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Uh, well, tonight.
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<Segment StartTime="745.449" EndTime="746.307" Participant="me011">
Oh, oh well.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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You mean he won't set up the - mmm.
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How much space do you need for these?
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<Segment StartTime="749.113" EndTime="752.362" Participant="me013">
I don't know. I don't know what his schedule is. I'm just saying he's gone.
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<Segment StartTime="750.643" EndTime="752.279" Participant="me011">
You - we need about a gig per meeting.
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I - I thi-
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Yep. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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<Segment StartTime="752.650" EndTime="756.870" Participant="me001">
I have um - I have an eighteen gig drive hanging off of my computer.
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Alright! What's your computer's name?
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So -
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> You <Emphasis> had </Emphasis> an eighteen gigabyte drive. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Uh, Samosa.
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<Segment StartTime="761.500" EndTime="764.850" Participant="me001">
Yeah, I <Emphasis> had. </Emphasis> Well it's about - I think there's about twelve gig left.
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<Segment StartTime="764.917" EndTime="768.291" Participant="me011">
So it - And you have an X_ drives installed? O_K.
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Yeah.
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So, I didn't realize it was so critical. I mean I'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri- or that are - new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything.
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And you're o- you're offering?
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O_K.
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I - I jus- I just gave Thilo some - about ten gigs, the last ten gigs of space that there was on - on uh Abbott.
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Um not that I can't do anything, I jus-
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Uh -
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And uh - So but that - But -
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Which one was that, X_ <Pause/> G_? O_K.
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X_G.
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X_G.
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Yeah.
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X_G?
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That's also where we store the -
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The uh Hub-five training set waveforms, right?
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Oops. <Comment Description="interjection"/>
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No. I don't think that's on X_G. On X_G is only Carmen and Du- and Stephane's disk.
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But that won't be getting any bigger, will it?
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Right.
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It's - Yeah.
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But I've also been storing - I've been storing the <Emphasis> feature </Emphasis> files there and I guess I can s- start deleting some because we now know what the best features are and we won't be using the old ones anymore.
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Well -
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Yeah, I do- I don't think it was on X_G. I th-
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I have a lot of space, though.
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Uh -
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Isn't that X_H?
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I have a lot of space and it's not - it's n- There's very little uh - Yeah not for long. But I mean it's not going f- It's not being used often at all.
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Not - not for long. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Oh that's X_A - Oh that's X_ -
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Maybe I'm confu- Oh no I'm sorry.
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But I'm using X_H - H_, too. So. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Yeah, it's probably - Probably only about four gig is on X_ - on your X_ drive, but we'll definitely take it up if you -
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Oh O_K.
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I th-
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I think you're right. It's <Emphasis> X_H </Emphasis> and D_ - The b- I'm also using <Emphasis> D_G </Emphasis> I got that confused. O_K.
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I think it's about four or five gig cuz I have <Pronounce Pronunciation="lengthened"> four </Pronounce> meetings on there, three or four meetings.
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Great.
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So.
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We need -
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O_K, so that will get us through the next couple days. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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We need another gigaquad. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Yep. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> At least. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;kay&quot;"> O_K. </Pronounce>
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There should - I d- There should just be a b- I should have a button.
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Just press - Press each meeting saying "we need more disk space" <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> "this week". Skip the rest of the conversation.
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The "more disk space" button? <Pause/> Yep.
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Well we've collected so far something like
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uh sixty-five meetings.
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And - And how much does each meeting take?
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And it's
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about a gig uncompressed.
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It's - It's a little bit more as I usually don't - do not uncompress the - all of the P_Z_M and the P_D_A things. So.
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Is a little more?
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Right, yeah so if you uncompressed <Emphasis> everything </Emphasis> it's even <Emphasis> more. </Emphasis> U- Uh <Emphasis> compressed </Emphasis> how much are they? Like -
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It's -
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Yeah.
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One point five or something.
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Half a gig. <Pause/> For all of them.
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About half?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yep.
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So we're definitely are storing
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you know, all of those.
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So there's what thirty some gig
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So- so- So maybe there's a hundred <Pause/> gig or something. Or -
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of just meetings so far?
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean. Cuz we - we have the uncompressed around also. So it's like -
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Right. Right. Well we - We haven't uncompressed all the meetings, but -
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Yeah.
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I would <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> to.
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Yeah. Well I mean it's - the- they really are cheap. I mean it's just a question of figuring out <Emphasis> where </Emphasis> they should <Emphasis> be </Emphasis> and <Emphasis> hanging </Emphasis> them, but
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Right. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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Yep.
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But uh, we could - You know, if you want to get four disks, get four disks. I mean it's - it's small - I mean these things ar- are just a few hundred dollars.
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Yeah. Well I sent that message out to, I guess, you and Dave asking for - if we could get some disk. I s- I sent this out
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Yeah.
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And put it <Emphasis> where? </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Right.
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a - a day ago but - and Dave didn't respond so I don- I don't know
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how the whole process <Emphasis> works. </Emphasis> I mean does he just go out and <Emphasis> get </Emphasis> them and - if it's O_K, and -
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Yep.
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So I was <Emphasis> assuming </Emphasis> he was gonna take over <Pause/> that. But he's probably too busy given that he's leaving.
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Yeah, I think you need a direct conversation with him. And just <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> say an-e- just ask him that, you know, wha- what should you do. And in my answer back was "are you sure you just want one?" So I mean I think
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Yeah.
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<Pause/> that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure "well, here's what we pi- figure on doing for the next few months".
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Wa- a- I <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> what <Emphasis> they </Emphasis> want. The <Emphasis> sysadmins </Emphasis> would prefer to have <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> external drive per <Emphasis> machine. </Emphasis>
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<Pause/> So they don't want to stack up external drives.
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Yeah.
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Um -
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<Pause/> And then they want everything else in the <Emphasis> machine </Emphasis> room.
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Right.
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So the question is where are you gonna <Emphasis> hang </Emphasis> them?
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Mm-hmm.
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I don't know what the <Emphasis> space </Emphasis> situation is in the <Emphasis> machine </Emphasis> room.
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Right.
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So.
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Right. So this is a question that's pretty hard to solve without talking to Dave, cuz it -
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Th- The -
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I think part of the reason why Dave can't get the - the <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> machines up is because he doesn't have room in the <Emphasis> machine </Emphasis> room right now. So he has to re-<Emphasis> arrange </Emphasis> a bunch of stuff.
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One -
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Mmm.
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Yep.
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One - One
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On- One thing to in- to um t- to do when you need to conserve space is
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I bet there are still some old, uh, like, nine gig disks, uh,
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around and you can probably consolidate them onto larger disks and - and you know recover the space.
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Yep.
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Yeah. No. I think Dave - Dave knows all these things, of course. An- and so, he always has a- a lot of plans of things that he's gonna do to make things better in many ways an- and runs out of time.
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Right.
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Mm-hmm.
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But I - I know that <Pause/> <Emphasis> generally </Emphasis> their first priority has been for backed up disk. And so I think what he's been concentrating on is uh
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Mmm.
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the back - the
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<Pause/> back up system, rather than on new disk. So.
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Mmm.
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Well. So. But this - this is a very specific question for me. Basically, we can easily get
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Which -
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<Pause/> one to four disks, I mean you just go out and get four and we've got the money for it, it's no big deal.
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<Pause/> Uh, but the question is where they go, and I don't think we can solve that here, you just have to ask him.
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Maybe we can put some disks in the - in that back room there.
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Yeah really. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Attach to -
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Popcorn.
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To the machine that collects the <Emphasis> data. </Emphasis> So then you could, at least <Emphasis> temporarily, </Emphasis> store stuff <Emphasis> there. </Emphasis> The only -
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Yeah?
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Hmm.
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Yeah, it's just - It's not on the net, so it's a little <Pause/> awkward <Pause/> It's not -
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What do you mean it's not on the net?
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It's not bad.
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<Pause/> It's behind lots of fire walls that don't allow any services through except S_S_H<Pause/> Yep.
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Oh because it's - because it's an ACIRI machine? Oh, oh oh.
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Yeah.
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And <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> on the list is to get it into the normal ICSI net, but
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Who <Emphasis> knows </Emphasis> when that will happen?
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That <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> be a good
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But <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> can't be that hard. I mean -
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<Emphasis> short </Emphasis> term solution, though.
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No, the - the <Emphasis> problem </Emphasis> with that apparently is that they don't currently have a <Emphasis> wire </Emphasis>
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running to that back room <Pause/> that goes anywhere near one of the <Emphasis> ICSI </Emphasis> routers. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Pronounce Pronunciation="lengthened"> Oh, </Pronounce> <Comment Description="with mock groan intonation"/> hhh. <Comment Description="vocal gesture of frustration"/>
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So, they actually have to run a wire
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<Emphasis> somewhere. </Emphasis>
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Yeah.
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Yeah, e- again, you know, any one of these things is certainly not a big deal. If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it's - it's - jus- every- ever- everybody - everybody has a - has -
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But Dave has to do all of them.
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<Pause/> Well all of us have long lists of different things we're doing.
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But at any rate I think that there's a - there's a <Emphasis> longer </Emphasis> term thing and there's <Emphasis> immediate </Emphasis> need and I think we need a - a conversation with -
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Uh, maybe - maybe after - after tea or something you and I can go down and - and talk to him about it <Pause/> Just say "wha- you know, what should we do right now?"
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How long is David gonna be gone?
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Uh, eleven days or something?
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Oh my! <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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Yeah basically tomorrow and all of <Pause/> the week after.
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And that's all I have.
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Um -
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Let's see. The only oth- thing - other thing I was gonna add was that um -
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uh, I talked briefly to Mari and uh we
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had <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> both been busy with other things so we haven't really connected that much since the <Pause/> last meeting we had here
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<Pause/> but we agreed that we would have a telephone meeting
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the Friday after next.
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And I - I - I wanted to make it, um
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after the next one of <Emphasis> these </Emphasis> meetings, so something that we wanna
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do next meeting is - is uh to
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put together um, a kind of reasonable list for ourselves of what is it,
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um,
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that
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we've done.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> I mean just sort of
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bulletize I mean o- e- do- do- I can - I can dream up text but <Pause/> this is basically gonna lead to the annual report.
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<Pause/> So <Pause/> Um - If w-
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Mm-hmm.
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This is the fifteenth?
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Um, that would
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So just a week from tomorrow? <Pause/> O_K.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, we can - This - So that's an -
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Is this gotta be in the morning?
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Um -
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Or - Because you know I - Fridays I have to leave uh
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like around uh two.
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So if it could be before that would be be-
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No, no but I - I - I don't need other folks for the meeting. I can do it. A- A- All I'm saying is that <Uncertain> on </Uncertain> -
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Oh, O_K, alright. Oh I'm sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you are -
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Yeah so what I meant was on the me- <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> meeting
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O_K.
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<Pause/> if I wa- something I - I - I'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we've done so I can tell her.
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Alright.
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Mm-hmm.
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<Pause/> I think I have a pretty good idea but - but um -
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O_K.
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Uh, and then the next day uh, late in the day I'll
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be having that - that discussion with her.
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Mmm.
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Um.
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So.
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Um - Uh - One thing - I mean - we - <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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<VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> in past meetings we had um
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also a- <Uncertain> you know </Uncertain> various - variously talked about the um work that
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w- uh was happening sort of on the - on the recognition side um but isn't necessarily
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Mm-hmm.
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related to <Emphasis> meetings </Emphasis> uh specifically. So. Um. And
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I wondered whether we should
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maybe have um a <Emphasis> separate </Emphasis> meeting and between
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you know, whoever's interested in that
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because I feel that uh <Emphasis> there's </Emphasis> plenty of stuff to talk about but it would be sort of
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um
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maybe the <Emphasis> wrong </Emphasis> place to do it in <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> meeting if uh -
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Think so?
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Well, it's that -
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It's just
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gonna be ver- very <Emphasis> boring </Emphasis> for people who are not
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you know, sort of
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really <Emphasis> interested </Emphasis> in the <Emphasis> details </Emphasis> of the
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<Emphasis> recognition </Emphasis> system.
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I'm interested.
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Me too.
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Well, O_K, so how many - how many people here would <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> be interested in uh - in a meeting about recognition?
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<Emphasis> Jane </Emphasis> may not be.
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<Emphasis> Jane, </Emphasis> I think.
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Well I know - Well, Jane an- <Comment Description="list intonation"/>
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Yep.
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Well you mean in a <Emphasis> separate </Emphasis> meeting or ha- ha- talking about it in this -
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No. If we talked about it in <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> meeting.
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He's <Emphasis> wondering </Emphasis> how much <Emphasis> overlap </Emphasis> there will be.
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Yeah, so you're su- So.
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O_K.
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So, uh,
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uh, <Emphasis> Liz </Emphasis> and <Emphasis> Jane </Emphasis> probably.
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O_K, so we're gonna have a <Emphasis> guy's </Emphasis> meeting.
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Uh. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Good thing Liz isn't here. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Real - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Uh, if you wanna put it <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> way. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Watch a ball game?
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Wh- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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<Emphasis> Don't </Emphasis> listen to this, Liz.
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Yeah, real - real - real men
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"Real men do decoding" or something like that.
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Right.
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Uh.
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I mean it- it's sort of -
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Yeah.
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I mean when - when the talk is about data collection
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stuff, sometimes <Emphasis> I've </Emphasis> -
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The - Nod off? <Comment Description="completing [mn017]'s utterance"/>
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you know, I - <Emphasis> I'm </Emphasis> bored. So it's I c- I can sympathize with them not wanting to -
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It's cuz <Pause/> y- you have a -
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i- to - to be uh - you know - If - I cou- you know - this could -
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So you need a better developed <Emphasis> feminine </Emphasis> side.
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I'm not sure I wanna - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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There's probably gonna be a lot of "bleeps" in this meeting. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Yeah, I would as- <Comment Description="speech correction, lexical switch"/> I would guess.
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Uh.
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Yeah <Pause/> and -
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Um.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> I think it <Emphasis> must </Emphasis> be <Pause/> uh nearing the end of the week.
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Um. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Yeah.
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<VocalSound Description="vocal squeak"/> I -
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You know, I - I've heard some comments about like this. That m- <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> be. I mean the - Um.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we don't have to do it every week. We could do it every <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> week or so. You know, whatev- or whenever we feel like we -
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Could we -
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Right, I was -
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Why don't we alternate this meeting every other <Emphasis> week? </Emphasis>
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Or just alternate the focus.
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Tha- <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> what I mean.
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Yeah, so on even weeks have <Pause/> basic <Pause/> on data.
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Yeah.
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We could do that, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I - I - <Emphasis> Personally </Emphasis> I'd - I'm <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> in favor of more <Emphasis> meetings. </Emphasis>
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Um. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Right.
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Because, uh. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> You know.
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<Emphasis> I </Emphasis> am. <Comment Description="joking"/>
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Oh sor- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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But I do- I don't - I mean a lot of times lately it seems like we don't really have enough for a full meeting on <Emphasis> Meeting </Emphasis> Recorder. So if we did that -
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Right.
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Well, except that we keep going for our full time. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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Yep.
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Well, cuz we get into these other <Emphasis> topics. </Emphasis>
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Yeah.
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We feel - We feel obligated to collect more data.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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So if we could <Emphasis> alternate </Emphasis> the focus of the <Emphasis> meeting </Emphasis> -
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I don't. Let's read digits and go.
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Why don't we just <Emphasis> start </Emphasis> with that. And then if we find, you know we're just not getting enough done, there's all these topics not coming up, then we can expand into another meeting. But I - I think that's a great idea.
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ummh. <Comment Description="variant of &quot;mm-hmm&quot;"/>
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ummh. <Comment Description="variant of &quot;mm-hmm&quot;"/> O_K.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh.
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So uh.
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Um.
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Let's chat about it with Liz and Jane <Pause/> when we get a chance, see what they think and -
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah that would be good. I mean Andreas and I have
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various talks in the halls and there's lots of
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Mm-hmm.
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things, you know, details and stuff that would I think people'd be interested in and I'd - you know, where do we go from here kind of things and -
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So, it would be good.
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Yeah, and you're - you're attending
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<Pause/> the uh - the front-end meeting as well as the others so you have - you have
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probably one of the best - <Pause/> you and I, I guess are the main ones who sort of see the bridge between the two. We <Emphasis> are </Emphasis> doing recognition in both of them. So.
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Bridge.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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Uh.
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So um.
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O_K?
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So - so we could talk a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> bit about that <Emphasis> now </Emphasis> if - if there's some time.
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No, no that would be for <Emphasis> next </Emphasis> week. <Comment Description="while smiling, joke"/>
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Um I jus- So the <Emphasis> latest </Emphasis> result was that um
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um
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<Uncertain> yot </Uncertain>
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I tested the uh - the
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sort of final version of the P_L_P
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configuration
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um on development test data for - for this year's Hub-five test set.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the
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recognition performance was
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<Emphasis> exactly, </Emphasis> and I mean <Emphasis> exactly </Emphasis> up to the - you know, the first decimal, same as with the
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uh Mel Cepstra
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<Emphasis> front-end. </Emphasis>
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Mmm.
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For both females and males?
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Yes.
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Oh!
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Uh, well i- there was a little bit of a -
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i- <Emphasis> overall. </Emphasis>
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They - They were - The <Emphasis> males </Emphasis> I think were slightly better and the <Emphasis> females </Emphasis> were slightly worse but nothing really. I mean definitely not significant.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then the really nice thing was that if - if we combine the two systems we get a one and a half percent <Emphasis> improvement. </Emphasis>
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Wow.
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<VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> So.
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Just with ROVER?
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t- With N_best ROVER, which is like our <VocalSound Description="breath"/> new and <Emphasis> improved </Emphasis> version of ROVER.
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Mm-hmm.
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Which u- actually uses the whole N_best list from both systems <Pause/> to <Pause/> mmm, uh <Pause/> c- combine that. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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So except - I mean the only key difference between the two really is the kind of smoothing at the end which is the
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auto-regressive versus the
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Yeah.
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cepstral truncation. <Pause/> O_K.
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And, the -
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But a percent and a half? That's -
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Yeah, it's pretty <Pause/> impressive.
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And - And so uh after I told the - my uh colleagues at S_R_I about that, you know,
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now they definitely want to, you know, uh, have a - Next time we have an evaluation they want to do uh, you know, basically a- at least the system combination.
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Um, and, you know, why not? Uh. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> So.
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Sure, why not?
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We clearly gotta add a few more features, though.
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Uh w- what do you mean? More features in the sense of front-end features or in the sense of just bells and whistles?
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No, uh front-end features.
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You know we did P_L_P and Mel Cepstra. Let's, you know, try RASTA and M_S_G, and -
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Oh I mean - Yeah. Well <Pause/> Right. So, we cou- Yeah. That's - the - the
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the - There's <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> thing uh - I mean you don't want to overdo it because y- every <Emphasis> front-end </Emphasis> - You know, if you - you know you basically multiply your effort by N_, where N_ is a number of different
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Oh.
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systems and - Um. So.
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Mm-hmm.
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So one - one
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compromise would be to -
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only
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to have the - everything up to the point where you generate lattices be basically one system and then
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after that you rescore your lattices with the multiple systems and combine the results and that's a fairly painless um thing. So.
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Mmm.
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An-
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Do you think we'd still get the one and a half uh -
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I - I think so. Yeah. Maybe a little less because at that point the error rates are lower and so if - You know, maybe it's only <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> percent or something but that would <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> be worthwhile doing.
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Mm-hmm.
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So.
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Um <Pause/> Jus- You know, just wanted to let you know that that's working out very nicely.
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Cool.
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And then we had some results on <Pause/> digits, uh,
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with um - We - We - So this was uh
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<Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;riley&quot;"> really </Pronounce> <Comment Description="correction"/> - really sort of just to get Dave going with his um
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experiments. And so,
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Mm-hmm.
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uh. But as a <Emphasis> result, </Emphasis> um, you know, we were sort of wondering why is the
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Hub-five system doing so well on the <Emphasis> digits. </Emphasis> And the reason is basically there's a whole bunch of read <Emphasis> speech </Emphasis> data in the Hub-<Emphasis> five </Emphasis> training set. And you c-
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Right.
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Right.
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Including digits I gather, yeah.
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And - Not all of - No it's actually, digits is only a maybe a fifth of it. The rest is - is read - is read TIMIT data and uh ATIS data and Wall Street Journal and stuff like that.
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A fifth of it is how much?
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Right. But a fi- a fifth is how much?
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A fifth would be maybe
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uh two hours something.
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Yeah, so I mean that's actually not that different from the <Pause/> amount of training that there was. So.
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Right.
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But it definitely helps to have the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> read data in there <Pause/> because we're doing -
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Oh yeah <Pause/> w-
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You know the error rate is <Emphasis> half </Emphasis> of what you do if you train only on ti- uh <Emphasis> TIMIT </Emphasis> - <Comment Description="correction"/> uh not TIMIT uh T_I-<Emphasis> digits, </Emphasis> which is only what two hours something?
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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So.
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Uh, more read speech data definitely <Emphasis> helps. </Emphasis> And you can leave out all the <Emphasis> conversational </Emphasis> data with no performance penalty. That's e- That was e- Right, right.
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Yeah <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> was the interesting thing. Because - because uh, it was <Emphasis> apparent </Emphasis> if you put in a bunch more data it would be better, but - but uh.
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Right.
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Well is there even <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> <Emphasis> read </Emphasis> <Emphasis> speech </Emphasis> data around?
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Oh, yeah. So we only - for the Hub-five training, we're only using uh a fairly small subset of the <Uncertain> Macrophone </Uncertain> <Pause/> database.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, so, you could beef that up and probably do even <Emphasis> better. </Emphasis>
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I could also put in <Pause/> uh
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Mm-hmm.
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focus condition zero from Hub-four
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from Broadcast News,
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which is mostly prepared speech.
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It's not exactly <Emphasis> read </Emphasis> speech but it's pretty darn close.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Well, I mean that's <Emphasis> plenty </Emphasis> of read <Emphasis> speech </Emphasis> data. I mean, Wall Street Journal, <Pause/> uh, take one example.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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But um.
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So, you know that might be useful for the people who train the - the digit recognizers to - to use uh something other than T_I-digits.
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Yeah.
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Well they been using TIMIT.
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O_K.
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That - Uh.
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<Pause/> They - they uh - they experimented for a while with a bunch of different databases with French and Spanish and so forth cuz they're multilingual tests and - and uh,
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Mm-hmm.
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um, - and actually the <Emphasis> best </Emphasis> results they got wa- were uh using TIMIT.
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Hmm.
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Uh -
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But uh - which - So that's what they're - they're using now. But - but yeah certainly if we,
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Mmm.
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um -
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If we knew what the <Emphasis> structure </Emphasis> of what we're doing there <Emphasis> was. </Emphasis> I mean there's still a bunch of messing around with different kinds of uh noise robustness algorithms. So we don't know exactly which combination we're gonna be going with.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Once we <Emphasis> know, </Emphasis> then - the <Emphasis> trainable </Emphasis> parts of it - it'd be great to run
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lots of - lots of stuff through.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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Well, that was that. And then I th- guess Chuck and I had some discussions about how to proceed with the tandem
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uh system and -
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You wanna - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> You wanna see where that <Uncertain> stands </Uncertain>? <Uncertain NumSyllables="3"> @@ </Uncertain>
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Well, I'm - Yeah, so Andreas uh brought over the uh alignments that the S_R_I system uses. And so I'm in the process of um
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converting those alignments into uh label files that we can use to train
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uh a new net with. And uh so then I'll train the net. And.
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An- And one side effect of that would be that it's - um that the phone set would change. So the M_L_P would be trained on I think only forty-six or forty-eight - forty-eight phones?
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Right.
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Eight.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh which is smaller than the um
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than the phone set that - that we've been using so far.
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Yeah. <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/>
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And that - that - <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> will probably <Emphasis> help, </Emphasis> actually, because
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So it's a little different?
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um the fewer dimensions uh e- the less trouble probably with the - as far as just the um,
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um -
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Just - You know we want to try things like <Emphasis> deltas </Emphasis> on the <Emphasis> tandem </Emphasis> features. And so you h- have to multiply everything by two or three. And so, you know,
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fewer dimensions in the <Pause/> phone set would be actually helpful just from a logistics point of view.
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Sure. Although we - I mean, it's not <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> many fewer and - and - and we take a K_L_T anyway so we could - Yeah.
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Right.
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Exactly. So - so that was the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing. And then we wanted to s- just limit it to maybe
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uh something on the same order of dimensions as we use in a standard um
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<Emphasis> front-end. </Emphasis> So
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that would mean <Uncertain> just </Uncertain> doing the top I don't know ten or twelve or something of the K_L_T
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Yeah, and I think - and we sh- again check - we should check with Stephane. My impression was that when we did that before that had very little - uh he didn't lose very much.
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dimensions.
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Right.
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By just taking the top whatever?
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Yep.
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Yeah <Pause/> yeah.
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But then - And then <Emphasis> something </Emphasis> - Once we <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> the new M_L_<Emphasis> P </Emphasis> trained up,
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uh one thing I wanted to try just for the fun of it was to actually run uh like a standard hybrid system that is based on
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you know, those features uh and uh retrain M_L_P and also the
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you know, the <Emphasis> dictionary </Emphasis> that we use for the Hub-<Emphasis> five </Emphasis> system.
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And the b- And the base u- starting off with the base of the alignments that you got from i- from a pretty decent system.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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Yeah. So
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<Pause/> Yeah.
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that would basically give us a, um, more - <Emphasis> hopefully </Emphasis> a - a
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better <Emphasis> system </Emphasis>
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um because - you know, compared to what Eric did a while ago, where he trained up, I think, a system based on Broadcast News and then
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uh tra- retraining it on <Emphasis> Switchboard </Emphasis> or s- uh and -
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Yeah.
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But he - I think he d- he didn't -
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he probably didn't use <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the training data
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that was available. And his dictionary probably wasn't as tuned to um
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conversational speech as - as the -
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as <Emphasis> ours </Emphasis> is. So.
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That's - That's certainly <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> thing, yeah. Uh.
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And the <Emphasis> dictionary </Emphasis> made a huge difference. Uh. We - we made some
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Yeah.
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improvements to the dictionary's uh - to the dictionary about two years ago which resulted in a -
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uh something like a four percent absolute
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error rate reduction on Switchboard, which - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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Well the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing is, dipping
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<Pause/> deep into history and into uh our resource management days,
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Mm-hmm.
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when we were collaborating with S_R_I <Emphasis> before, </Emphasis> uh
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Mmm. Mm-hmm.
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it was - I <Emphasis> think, </Emphasis> it is was a really key
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uh <Emphasis> starting </Emphasis> point for us that we actually got our alignment. When <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> were working together we got our initial alignments from Decipher,
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Mm-hmm.
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uh <Pause/> at the <Emphasis> time. </Emphasis> <Pause/> Uh.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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<Pause/> And. <Emphasis> Later </Emphasis> we got <Emphasis> away </Emphasis> from it because - because once we had decent <Emphasis> systems </Emphasis> going
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Mm-hmm.
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then it was - it was typically better to use our <Emphasis> own </Emphasis> systems cuz they were self- consistent but - but certainly to start off when we were
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trying to recover from our initial hundred and forty percent error uh rate. Uh. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> But that was a - that was a good - good - good way to <Emphasis> start. </Emphasis>
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Yeah.
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<Pause/> And we're not <Emphasis> quite </Emphasis> that bad with our - our Switchboard systems but it was - they certainly aren't as good as S_R_I's, so -
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O_K.
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Yeah.
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W- What <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> the performance on s- the best Switchboard system that we've done?
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Right.
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Roughly?
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Well, the <Emphasis> hybrid </Emphasis> system we never got better than about fifty percent
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<Pause/> error. And uh it was - <Pause/> I think there's just a whole lot of things that uh no one ever had time for. We never <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> really
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fix up the dictionary.
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Uh we always had a list of a half dozen things that we were gonna do and - and a lot of them were pretty simple and we never did.
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Yeah.
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Mmm.
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But that w- Even <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> - that number -
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Uh, we never did an- never did any adaptation <Pause/> uh, we never did any -
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Right.
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And - And <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> number I think was on <Emphasis> Switchboard-one </Emphasis> data, right?
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Where the error rate now is in the <Emphasis> twenties. </Emphasis>
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So, um.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So we were - Yeah. We were
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That's yet s-
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probably at least a factor or two off.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So it would be - So it would be good t- to sort of r- re- uh - just at least to give us an idea of how well the hybrid system would do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I think - again it's -
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Yeah. It's the conver- it's the s-
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conversational speech bit.
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Because our - our Broadcast News system is actually pretty good. <Uncertain> He knows </Uncertain>.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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And the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing that that would help us to evaluate is to see how well the M_L_<Emphasis> P </Emphasis> is trained up. Right?
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Because it's a pretty good um
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Mm-hmm.
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indicator of that.
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<Uncertain> So it's sort </Uncertain> of a sanity check of the M_L_<Emphasis> P </Emphasis> outputs <Pause/> before we go ahead and train up the -
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uh you know, use them as a basis for the tandem system.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. It'll <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> probably be worse. I mean, it's - it'd be context independent and so on. But.
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No.
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Sure.
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Should we - Should we bother with um using the net
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Not - But -
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before doing uh embedded
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training?
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I mean should - should we even <Emphasis> use </Emphasis> that? Or should I just go straight to -
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Oh <Pause/> oh <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> a good question. Yeah, we - we weren't sure whether it's worth to just use the alignments um
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from the S_R_<Emphasis> I </Emphasis> recognizer or whether to actually go through one or more iterations of embedded training where you realign.
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Try it.
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You run it? Keep - keep both versions? See which one's better?
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Uh, yeah. I mean. I think I agree with Ad-
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I mean basically you would then - You <Emphasis> proceed </Emphasis> with the embedded training. It's gonna take you a while to train at this net anyway. And while it's training you may as well test the one you have and see how it <Emphasis> did. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> O_K.
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Mmm.
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Alright.
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I could make arguments either way. You know, it's - Sort of given up guessing.
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But - But so I - Well but i- But in your experience I mean uh have you seen
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big improvements in s- on some tasks with embedded training? Or was it sort of small-ish uh improvements that you got-
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Uh well. It depended on the task. I mean I think in this one I would sort of expect it to be important because we're coming from
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Right.
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uh, alignments that were achieved with an <Emphasis> extremely </Emphasis> different system.
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That are from another -
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Right.
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Right.
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Although,
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Uh.
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I mean we've done it with - When we were combining with the Cambridge <Emphasis> recurrent </Emphasis> neural net, embedded training made it <Emphasis> worse. </Emphasis>
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Which I've never figured out. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Right. But I mean i-
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I think it's a bug.
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So you - you started training with outputs from a - with alignments that were generated by the Cambridge uh system?
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Yep.
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And then -
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Uh. Hmm.
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Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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Yeah.
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Well, that might probably just - Hmm. That was <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> because your initial <Emphasis> system </Emphasis> - I mean <Emphasis> your </Emphasis> system was ba- worse than Cambridge's.
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And you -
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Um.
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Was it? I don't think it was.
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No they were - they were comparable.
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It wasn't?
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No.
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Really?
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They were very close.
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Yeah.
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<Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> weird.
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Excuse me?
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That's - That's <Emphasis> weird. </Emphasis>
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<Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> said.
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Oh! <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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No I mean it's weird that it did - I'm sorry. It's w- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> It's weird that it got worse.
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<Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> ambiguous.
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Um. No. Uh.
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Tha- u- we- we've see- I mean - and wi- with the numbers - O_G_I numbers task we've seen a number of times people doing embedded trainings and things not getting better.
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Oh actually it's not <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> weird because we have seen -
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We have seen cases where acoustic - retraining the acoustic models after some other change made matters worse rather than better.
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Yeah. It just -
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Yeah.
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But I- But I would - I would <Emphasis> suspect </Emphasis> that something that - that had um a very different
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Um
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feature set, for instance - I mean they were using pretty diff- similar feature sets to us.
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Yep.
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I - I would expect that something that had a different feature set would - would uh benefit from -
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Mm-hmm.
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What about uh <Emphasis> hidden </Emphasis> unit size <Pause/> on this. <Pause/> Oh.
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Oh, wait a minute, and the other thing uh, sorry, it was - the other thing is that what was in <Emphasis> common </Emphasis> <Comment Description="embedding"/>
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to the Cambridge system and our system is they <Emphasis> both </Emphasis> were training posteriors.
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Right.
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So I mean, uh, <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> another pretty big difference and
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<Uncertain> Ah </Uncertain> yeah. That's another big difference.
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uh, one bac- at least -
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Back at -
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You mean with soft targets?
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Or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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Sorry, I'm sor- I missed - What - What's the key issue here?
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Oh, that uh
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both the Cambridge system and our system were - were training
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<Pause/> posteriors. And if we're - we're coming from alignments coming from the S_R_I system, it's a <Emphasis> likelihood-based </Emphasis> system.
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So - so that's <Emphasis> another </Emphasis> difference. I mean. You know, there's diffe- different front-end
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Yeah.
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different - different uh, um,
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training criterion -
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Uh, I would <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> that in a- that an embedded <Pause/> uh
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<Pause/> embedded uh
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training would have at least a good shot of improving it some more. But we don't know.
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Mm-hmm.
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O_K.
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You gonna say something?
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Yeah. I was wondering uh you know what
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size net I should -
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Anybody have any intuitions or suggestions?
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Uh, how much training data?
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Well, I was gonna start off with the <Emphasis> small </Emphasis> train set.
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And how - How many hours is that?
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That's why I was - I - I'm not sure how much that is.
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Uh, I think that has about -
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Well i- you'd - would be gender-dependent training, right? So - So I think it's - uh that's about
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Gender-dependent, yeah.
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mmm, something like thirty hours.
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Thirty hours.
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Thirty hours per gender.
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I'm not sure what <Emphasis> this'll </Emphasis> mean. <Comment Description="referring to phone call"/>
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In the small training set?
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I - I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> so. I'll -
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Hello? <Comment Description="talking on phone"/>
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<VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Excuse me? <Comment Description="talking on phone"/>
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It's definitely less than a hundred - You know, it's more like -
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Alright. <Comment Description="talking on phone"/>
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like thirty forty hours something like that.
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Wrong number. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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They called to tell us that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. <VocalSound Description="inbreath while smiling"/>
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Um. So. Uh.
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I mean, I <Emphasis> didn't </Emphasis> want to do <Emphasis> too </Emphasis> big, just -
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<Uncertain> after run- </Uncertain>
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Right. So <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> At least a couple thousand hidden units.
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<VocalSound Description="breath"/> Mm-hmm.
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I mean. It's - it's th- the thing I'll - I'll think about it a little more but it - it'd be toss up between two thousand and four thousand.
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Mmm.
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You <Emphasis> definitely </Emphasis> wouldn't want the eight thousand. It's m- It's more than -
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And a <Emphasis> thousand </Emphasis> is too <Emphasis> small? </Emphasis>
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Oh let me think about it, but I think that - that uh th- at some point there's diminishing returns.
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean it doesn't actually get worse, typically, but it - but - but there is diminishing returns and you're doubling <Pause/> the amount of time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Remember you'll have a smaller <Emphasis> output </Emphasis> layer so there's gonna be fewer parameters there. And then -
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But <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> by a <Emphasis> lot. </Emphasis>
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<Emphasis> Not </Emphasis> by <Emphasis> much. </Emphasis> Fifty s- Fifty four to forty eight?
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Vast majority is from the input unit.
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O_K. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It'll have a very tiny effect.
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Right, because you used the <Emphasis> context </Emphasis> windows <Pause/> and so the input to hidden is much, much larger.
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Yeah.
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Oh <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see, yeah, of course. Yeah. It's negligible, O_K.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so it's - it'd be way, <Emphasis> way </Emphasis> less than ten percent of the difference.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh.
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There's uh -
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How bi- how big <Pause/>
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Let's see. What am I trying to think of? <Comment Description="whispered to self"/>
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The - The <Emphasis> net </Emphasis> that - that we <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> use already <Pause/> uh was eight thousand hidden units and that's the one that <Emphasis> Eric </Emphasis> trained up.
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Right. And that was trained up on uh like a hundred and forty hours of -
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of speech.
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Was that gender-<Emphasis> dependent </Emphasis> or independent?
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Gender-<Emphasis> dependent. </Emphasis>
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Oh. So that would be like trained on s- <Emphasis> sixty </Emphasis> or <Emphasis> seventy </Emphasis> hours.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, uh, yeah <Emphasis> definitely </Emphasis> not the one thousand uh -
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two thousand fr- I mean the four thousand will be better
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and the two thousand will be almost - will be <Emphasis> faster </Emphasis> and almost as good. So.
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It'll be faster.
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Yeah.
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Maybe I'll start off with <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> thousand just
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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to see.
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O_K.
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O_K.
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Yeah, thirty hours is like a hundred and
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ten thousand
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uh
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seconds.
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Uh, so that's like eleven - eleven million frames.
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And a two thousand hidden unit net
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is uh
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I guess about
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seven, eight hundred thousand parameters.
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So <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> probably -
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<Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> probably fine. I mean a four thousand is well within the range that you could benefit from but the two thousand'd be faster so -
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Right. I actually have to go. So.
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Alright.
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Uncle Bernie's rule is ten to one.
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Bernie Woodrow's Rule of - yeah - Uncle Bernie - yeah.
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Yeah. I figured. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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Read your digits.
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Yes sir.
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We're just waiting for you to leave.
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<Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain>
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Anything else?
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Nah.
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Since we have nothing to talk about we only talked for an hour. So. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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O_K.
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If - yeah that's right.
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Yeah.
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Uh, well, we started late.
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