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| me013 left early, and did not read digits. |
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| <VocalSound Description="clears throat"/> |
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| Is it on? <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| O_K, here we go. |
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| Uh, so - uh, so I c- I definitely have to leave at three-thirty today for <Pause/> whatever. That's - |
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| So - |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="door closes"/> |
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| Definitely have to go to tea. So - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah, they're - they're having birthday cake and such and so I can't miss that. |
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| That too, but - |
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| You're a May birthday, right? |
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| I'm a May birthday, yeah, so I have to - |
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| Oops. <Comment Description="interjection"/> |
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| <Emphasis> Barbara </Emphasis> told me. Barbara Peskin. |
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| Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Um - |
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| So, |
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| only a couple of agenda items, since no one sent me email for agenda items. Uh, the first is the I_B_M transcripts. I'd like to |
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| uh, <Emphasis> mention </Emphasis> - I s- I spoke with <Emphasis> several </Emphasis> of you about this, but just to |
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| brainstorm a little bit about what we can do with it. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="36.093" EndTime="41.075" Participant="me011"> |
| So we got back the I_B_M transcript, and the <Emphasis> accuracy </Emphasis> looks O_K. There are - I mean, there are areas which are |
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| clearly wrong and there are a lot of areas where they put <Emphasis> question </Emphasis> marks, |
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| where the acoustics weren't very good. And I think that's <Emphasis> fine. </Emphasis> Putting it in question marks is better than doing it wrong. |
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| The <Emphasis> big </Emphasis> problem was, they had the <Emphasis> wrong </Emphasis> number of beeps in it. <Comment Description="while smiling"/> |
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| Oops. <Comment Description="interjection"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="52.870" EndTime="54.625" Participant="me011"> |
| So it didn't align. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="55.010" EndTime="56.779" Participant="me011"> |
| And that's <Emphasis> exactly </Emphasis> what I was <Emphasis> afraid </Emphasis> of. |
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| <Segment StartTime="57.260" EndTime="65.609" Participant="me011"> |
| And I went in, and more or less by <Emphasis> hand, </Emphasis> <Emphasis> corrected </Emphasis> it, by loading it - I wrote a script that will convert it to the multi- the Channeltrans format, |
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| looked at it in - in Channeltrans and |
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| <Segment StartTime="68.731" EndTime="72.675" Participant="me011"> |
| found the places where it got a- unsynchronized, and then either - |
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| Hmm. |
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| Inserted ones. <Comment Description="completing [me011]'s utterance"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="73.140" EndTime="77.117" Participant="me011"> |
| And in <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> case only - only had to remove beeps, because that was th- <Emphasis> always </Emphasis> the error, |
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| is that they put in it <Emphasis> extraneous </Emphasis> beeps. But it's <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> easy to <Emphasis> do, </Emphasis> |
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| Hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="80.959" EndTime="82.982" Participant="me011"> |
| because the whole thing gets |
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| offset, and basically, it's assigning the wrong speaker to the text, and it all gets unaligned. So it's very difficult |
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| Hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="89.324" EndTime="91.580" Participant="me011"> |
| to <Emphasis> do. </Emphasis> So it took me several hours |
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| So this is - |
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| just to do that. |
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| For one meeting. |
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| this is one - it's one hour of - of - of speech? |
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| <Segment StartTime="95.604" EndTime="96.141" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| <Segment StartTime="96.711" EndTime="99.026" Participant="me013"> |
| And it took you a few hours to - to do it. |
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| It took me a couple hours to write the scripts, and then |
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| it - it probably took me |
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| maybe forty-five minutes, <Emphasis> just </Emphasis> going <Emphasis> through </Emphasis> it. Now obviously it will be a lot <Emphasis> faster </Emphasis> from now <Emphasis> on, </Emphasis> because now I sort of understand how it works. |
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| But, I think if we had some way - uh some <Emphasis> tool </Emphasis> that made it easier to insert and delete beeps |
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| it would make it a lot easier. Cuz <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> of the problems is that it takes a very long <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> when you make a change to load it back up in the <Emphasis> channel </Emphasis> transcriber. |
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| Yep. |
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| Yeah, that's true. I've noticed that. Yeah. |
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| <Emphasis> One </Emphasis> of the things that <Emphasis> Adam </Emphasis> said that I thought would be a good <Emphasis> idea </Emphasis> would be, um, |
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| And so there <Emphasis> may </Emphasis> be - |
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| Which makes sense. |
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| if we g- used different <Emphasis> beeps. </Emphasis> So for example if we <Emphasis> alternated </Emphasis> between two beeps, a high and a low. |
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| <Emphasis> He </Emphasis> said that? |
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| th- |
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| Uh, well in - in some email that, uh, we had. |
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| Oh, on the email. |
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| For - |
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| Oh, oh, O_K. |
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| Yeah. |
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| I didn't <Emphasis> just </Emphasis> say that, no. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah. Um - Because <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| So th- so this is the o- the other <Emphasis> approach </Emphasis> which is, what do we do in the <Emphasis> future, </Emphasis> to try to make this less common? But it's <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> gonna happen. |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="148.680" EndTime="154.601" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, and then the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> possibility was - e- that we provide them with a - a file that already has the beeps <Emphasis> in </Emphasis> it or something. Wasn't that what you said? |
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| So - |
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| Hunh. |
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| <Segment StartTime="153.900" EndTime="156.246" Participant="me018"> |
| Sort of a text template, but I don't know how |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="sniff"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="155.340" EndTime="155.884" Participant="fe008"> |
| Uh-huh. |
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| <Segment StartTime="156.513" EndTime="163.678" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, we don't know what their process is. So I had two ideas. The first was to provide them a text template that had both the beeps in it and the speaker I_Ds. |
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| we can do that. |
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| Yeah. |
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| You know, just "male-female", "English-nonEnglish", "one two three four". |
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| Um - |
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| Can I - I - I just - |
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| And they just filled it in. |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
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| How- how many - how many beeps are there, and how many do we- were they - |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
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| d- were - were off? |
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| It was like a hundred twenty, and they had a hundred twenty-three or something like that. Is that right? |
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| Alright. |
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| Well, l- I- I thought it was a lot <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> than that. |
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| And is it a - |
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| Well I - I don't remember. |
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| They were <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> off, basically. |
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| <Segment StartTime="186.330" EndTime="188.313" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah, and it was a hundred-ish. |
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| And this is the mixed signal? |
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| <Emphasis> Oh! </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="188.221" EndTime="189.030" Participant="fe008"> |
| Hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="188.313" EndTime="189.979" Participant="me013"> |
| So - so if you get one - |
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| uh, uh, excuse me. If you get one off, it - t- everything is off <Uncertain> cuz of the alignment </Uncertain> right? |
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| <Segment StartTime="193.440" EndTime="193.897" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| Yep. |
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| <Segment StartTime="194.241" EndTime="197.150" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh, and this is all in one file that's continuous. |
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| Yep. |
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| <Segment StartTime="196.630" EndTime="197.029" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="197.370" EndTime="198.738" Participant="me013"> |
| So why don't you make it multiple files? |
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| How would that help? |
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| <Segment StartTime="200.370" EndTime="203.647" Participant="me013"> |
| Because then if they have one off, then - then it would only screw up that file. |
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| <Segment StartTime="203.990" EndTime="206.384" Participant="me011"> |
| Oh, you mean just break the one hour into |
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| Yeah. |
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| a few chunks. |
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| I mean, it seems now, if you just ha- make one mistake then everything is off. |
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| Well the only - the only question about <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> that I have is, um, I think Brian has to put all this stuff onto a <Emphasis> tape. </Emphasis> |
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| So I don't know whether - |
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| Yeah. |
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| I'm sure they would prefer it sort of one hour. |
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| Can he send them - I guess he could send them multiple |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="cell phone ringing"/> |
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| Oh! <Comment Description="interjection"/> <Comment Description="surprised by cell phone"/> |
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| tapes <Pause/> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <NonVocalSound Description="cell phone ringing"/> |
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| Uh - |
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| Yeah, just say, "O_K, is -" |
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| ten minutes is -" I mean, |
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| maybe there's other things to do that are more <Emphasis> clever, </Emphasis> but this just seemed to be the sort of the obvious thing because, again, if you make <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> <Emphasis> mistake, </Emphasis> |
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| then everything after that mistake is <Emphasis> off. </Emphasis> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| And, uh - |
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| Well, the only other issue is we'd have to worry about reassembling them in the proper order. |
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| Uh - |
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| Yeah. |
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| That - I mean, just naming schemes will get - |
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| We can definitely do that. So t- so one question is, are there good places in the files where we can really do that? <Comment Description="last word while laughing"/> |
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| Well, the other thing - You can - |
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| I mean, so - so - so someone will have to go through them and listen to them and pick a place to break them. |
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| Yeah. |
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| The <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing you <Emphasis> can </Emphasis> do- This is on the mixed signal, <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> or are these the individual - |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| the ones with the beeps that they're getting, |
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| that they made mistakes on is |
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| They are played from the |
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| the <Emphasis> mixed </Emphasis> one? |
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| Individual channels. <Comment Description="completing [me011]'s utterance"/> |
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| Individual channels. <Comment Description="completing [me011]'s utterance"/> |
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| individual. |
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| Or they're indivi- If it's individual, um - |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="high pitched beep"/> |
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| y- c- we can - |
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| <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> run a forced <Emphasis> alignment, </Emphasis> |
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| where you c- include the beeps as words |
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| and pretty much figure out where the <Emphasis> errors </Emphasis> are. |
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| I don't think we could do it on the <Emphasis> mixed </Emphasis> signal, cuz it - |
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| But on the individual channels that would probably work, <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> they have enough |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
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| words in the transcript. |
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| Yeah, we - In fact, that's - Yeah, maybe we - |
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| So, I mean, that's pretty quick to run. It - it's, um - |
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| I mean, we could <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> it. |
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| Cuz if a beep is treated as a |
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| You mean, so, actually put - put the wavefile in with beep in it. |
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| unique word, "beep" - <Comment Description="voice raised due to overlap"/> |
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| Put in - put "beep" in as a word. |
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| And pu- and have a beep model. |
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| We <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> the original <Emphasis> wavefile </Emphasis> with all the beeps. |
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| Yeah. Yeah. Well - |
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| the beep model - Actually, you could <Emphasis> train </Emphasis> a beep model. That - that's a good idea. |
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| It would be very good. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Um - |
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| Yes, it would be, cuz it's very, very regular. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
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| Yeah. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah. So, um - |
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| Oh. Kind of low variance, wouldn't that be? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> You sort of <Pause/> might end up with |
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| Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah, <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> low. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
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| Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Um, that might actually - |
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| some infinities there, but - <Comment Description="voice raised on "infinities" due to overlap"/> |
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| You have to - may - add some jitter to it. |
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| Can I see that? <Comment Description="whispered to [fe008], regarding her PalmPilot"/> |
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| <Comment Description="two parallel conversations, [me013] and [fe008] regarding PalmPilot, and all others regarding beep files"/> |
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| I mean, that might actually work, because you'll - |
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| Where's the case? |
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| I guess the trick is figuring out, you know, where it doesn't align? <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
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| But if it's a problem of <Emphasis> extra </Emphasis> beeps, |
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| rather than <Emphasis> missing </Emphasis> beeps, then - |
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| um - |
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| that's easier |
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| It could t- it could - |
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| and it might work. Oh. |
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| There could be some missing ones. But - |
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| So is this a |
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| It's just in <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> case they were not. |
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| <Emphasis> seven </Emphasis> or something? Or - What is it? |
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| M_one-hundred. <Comment Description="to [me013], model number of her PalmPilot"/> |
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| So I think - uh, Chuck had a good explanation for it which I liked, which is these - they're listening to it and so they write something down, and let's say they miss it, they <Emphasis> rewind. </Emphasis> |
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| M_one-hundred. Oh. |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath"/> |
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| Well, they hear the beep again. Was that <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> beep, or was that a <Emphasis> different </Emphasis> beep? So that's why Chuck was suggesting different tones. <Emphasis> My </Emphasis> original thought |
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| Oh, yeah. |
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| was, you could have a different tone for each <Emphasis> speaker. </Emphasis> |
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| You know, there's plenty of <Emphasis> tone </Emphasis> space. |
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| And that might help <Emphasis> cue </Emphasis> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| the <Emphasis> transcriptionist. </Emphasis> |
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| You know, give them a little <Emphasis> cue </Emphasis> about where they <Emphasis> are. </Emphasis> |
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| Or you could - you could have ascending tones, or something. |
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| What do you mean? |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| Uh - |
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| Or - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| Increasingly high - higher frequencies. |
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| You could have, um, each speaker in the meeting say "beep" and record it and that will be their pro- <Comment Description="while smiling"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="vocalized outbreath"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> No, I just - thi- I don't know. If you have a hundred or something just - just sort of move them up i- mu- up a - a half tone or something for - for <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> each one, and then - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Sorry. |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
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| <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> what I was <Emphasis> saying. </Emphasis> Is that - that you could have - <Emphasis> each </Emphasis> speaker could have their own <Emphasis> tone. </Emphasis> |
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| Oh was it? Oh. |
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| See, I should <Emphasis> listen. </Emphasis> Yeah? |
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| Hmm. |
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| And you know, since there are no more than, |
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| you know, ten speakers or so per meeting, |
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| Oh. |
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| Well - |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
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| there's plenty of tone space. |
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| But - |
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| Uh, O_K, yeah. So the only - |
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| <Emphasis> That </Emphasis> might work too. Yeah, I was just thinking that actually <Emphasis> temporally </Emphasis> just, uh, uh, uh, an increasing tones so that |
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| Oh, O_K. |
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| they would really have a sense of whether they were going, you know, forward or backward or - Yeah. |
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| Bo-eep <Comment Description="nonword, imitating "beep" with rising tone"/> be-oop. <Comment Description="nonword, imitating "beep" with falling tone"/> |
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| In the end? Yeah. |
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| Well <Uncertain> you th- </Uncertain> |
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| So just r- r- truly chron- chromatically up <Pause/> all the way through the entire meeting. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Well, it's a thought. |
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| Interesting. |
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| Oh, oh, th- oh, I see. |
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| It'd be impossible to r- to misorder them. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Yeah. |
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| But yo- I guess you'd still get the mistake that <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> mentioned, because |
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| the person - I mean, if that's some of the errors, those would probably stay the same, regardless. |
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| Well - |
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| Yep. |
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| I mean, <Emphasis> Chuck's </Emphasis> suggestion of just <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> beeps is nice because then you could have them actually <Emphasis> transcribe </Emphasis> "H_beep" or "L_beep", "high beep" or "low beep". |
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| Yeah, maybe. |
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| And then when we get <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> back, if we see two L_beeps in a row - |
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| It would be much easier. |
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| That's probably better, yeah. S- scratch my other idea. |
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| Yeah, you have like a sanity - sanity check on them. That's a good idea. Alternating. |
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| It's pretty simple, pretty simple. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| Yeah. |
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| Yep. |
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| Yeah. |
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| And it would - it seems like it would help <Emphasis> them, </Emphasis> you know, if they |
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| just finished a long passage and they heard |
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| <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> beep and then they |
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| hear it again, they know it's the same <Emphasis> beep. </Emphasis> |
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| Versus if they heard a slightly different one. <Comment Description="decreasing volume"/> |
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| Yeah. |
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| Hmm, interesting. |
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| Yeah, that's a good, like, error checking |
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| approach, I think. |
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| Yeah, we can, |
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| yeah, like, do - do, uh, |
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| one for each ca- one for each person in the meeting, you can only hire people who have perfect pitch, and they can say "A_flat" <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> "B_". <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Well. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Well, "high", "low" is pretty straightforward, yeah. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Great idea, yeah. |
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| No, two is probably better than what I was suggesting, because what I was suggesting, in order to make it through a reasonable range for the whole |
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| thing, you'd have to have the - |
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| the tonal differences between the two kind of small, and actually you want them large. So. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="478.046" EndTime="478.569" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| You'd have to - they'd have to have the acoustics of dogs t- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> hear into the high high ranges. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="485.265" EndTime="486.674" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah. |
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| Yeah. |
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| So I think, <Emphasis> certainly, </Emphasis> doing two beeps is - is no-brainer. And then the other question is, <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> they can - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="492.474" EndTime="493.287" Participant="me011"> |
| If they |
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| <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> something on a computer in a format we can <Emphasis> handle, </Emphasis> we could give them a text file that was a template with speaker I_D and beeps already in it. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah. |
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| And then they could just fill that in. |
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| Maybe I should write to Brian and tell him what the problem <Emphasis> was </Emphasis> and what our proposed solutions are. |
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| So what - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="505.982" EndTime="506.434" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
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| See what he thinks would work best with <Emphasis> them. </Emphasis> |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="510.580" EndTime="514.378" Participant="me013"> |
| I mean, what's going <Emphasis> wrong </Emphasis> on the other end? What are they <Emphasis> doing? </Emphasis> What, uh - |
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| <Segment StartTime="513.450" EndTime="519.448" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, as I <Emphasis> said, </Emphasis> I think - We don't <Emphasis> actually </Emphasis> know, but I think Chuck's <Emphasis> hypothesis </Emphasis> was a <Emphasis> good </Emphasis> one, which is, you re- r- you <Emphasis> listen </Emphasis> to something, |
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| <Segment StartTime="519.448" EndTime="520.989" Participant="me011"> |
| you write down what you thought you heard, |
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| <Segment StartTime="520.989" EndTime="523.019" Participant="me011"> |
| but you want to listen to it again, so you r- rewind. |
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| <Segment StartTime="523.370" EndTime="524.098" Participant="me018"> |
| And there are some - |
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| <Segment StartTime="523.510" EndTime="526.750" Participant="me011"> |
| And then you hear the beep <Comment Description="lengthened"/> again, and then you say "well, is that <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> beep, |
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| <Segment StartTime="526.750" EndTime="530.500" Participant="me011"> |
| or is that a new beep? <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> don't remember." And so, you know, a <Emphasis> couple </Emphasis> times they got it <Emphasis> wrong. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="530.500" EndTime="532.868" Participant="me018"> |
| And there are <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> cases where there's, um, |
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| <Segment StartTime="532.868" EndTime="537.374" Participant="me018"> |
| very little <Emphasis> speech </Emphasis> before you hear a beep. So you hear a little bit of speech, beep, a little bit of speech, beep. |
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| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="535.166" EndTime="535.803" Participant="fe008"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="537.374" EndTime="540.959" Participant="me018"> |
| Maybe three of those in a <Emphasis> row, </Emphasis> and was that <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> beeps, was that <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> beeps? <Pause/> |
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| Um - See, they have th- Brian said the setup that they <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> is, um - |
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| <VocalSound Description="clears throat"/> |
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| uh - |
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| i- um - |
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| <Segment StartTime="547.690" EndTime="552.141" Participant="me018"> |
| They've got headphones and <Uncertain> then </Uncertain> I guess they have a computer, and they have a foot pedal which lets them quickly |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="552.141" EndTime="557.625" Participant="me018"> |
| scan back and forth through the tape. I- i- t- i- s- makes the tape go real fast forward or fast backward. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="557.994" EndTime="561.281" Participant="me018"> |
| And so they can <Emphasis> hear </Emphasis> something, then step on the pedal and quickly rewind |
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| and go back and hear it <Emphasis> again. </Emphasis> And so they're - |
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| <Segment StartTime="564.140" EndTime="568.621" Participant="me018"> |
| I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> they're probably going over and <Emphasis> over </Emphasis> f- sections. And then they get <Emphasis> confused </Emphasis> about whether |
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| <Segment StartTime="569.150" EndTime="574.114" Participant="me018"> |
| they've already <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> put that beep, or if they heard, you know, three beeps in a row, was that <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> or <Emphasis> two, </Emphasis> and - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="575.175" EndTime="692.739" CloseMic="false"> |
| <Comment Description="close collaboration in development of number plus beep to help I_B_M transcribers keep their places in linearized meeting data"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="575.199" EndTime="579.820" Participant="fe008"> |
| It's a <Emphasis> shame </Emphasis> we can't <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> give a <Emphasis> number. </Emphasis> So it would be a <Emphasis> number </Emphasis> <Emphasis> and </Emphasis> a <Emphasis> beep. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="575.443" EndTime="576.047" Participant="me013"> |
| O_K, s- |
| </Segment> |
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| e- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="580.690" EndTime="582.140" Participant="fe008"> |
| It's a shame we can't do that. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="582.380" EndTime="583.674" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, we <Emphasis> could. </Emphasis> <Comment Description=""could" is lengthened, as if pondering"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="582.470" EndTime="584.297" Participant="me018"> |
| <Emphasis> Oh, </Emphasis> <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> an interesting idea. |
| </Segment> |
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| We <Emphasis> could, </Emphasis> but then that starts getting |
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| pretty <Emphasis> long. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="588.229" EndTime="590.550" Participant="me018"> |
| No, no, no. But <Emphasis> wait, </Emphasis> maybe - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="590.570" EndTime="595.265" Participant="me018"> |
| maybe what we <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> instead of a <Emphasis> beep </Emphasis> is a, uh, synthesized <Emphasis> number. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="594.901" EndTime="595.574" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="595.960" EndTime="597.809" Participant="me018"> |
| And they put the <Emphasis> number </Emphasis> in when they hear it. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="596.924" EndTime="598.074" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> That'll </Emphasis> work. <Comment Description="quietly"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="598.350" EndTime="601.365" Participant="me018"> |
| So, inst- <Pronounce> replacing </Pronounce> the beep with "twenty-<Emphasis> three </Emphasis>", |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="601.684" EndTime="602.636" Participant="me018"> |
| "twenty-<Emphasis> four </Emphasis>", |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="602.860" EndTime="605.920" Participant="me018"> |
| "twenty-five" - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> And then they have to transcribe what that <Emphasis> number </Emphasis> is each time. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="605.920" EndTime="607.810" Participant="fe008"> |
| Wow, that'd <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> be shorter to <Emphasis> type. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="608.420" EndTime="610.710" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah, just a "two three, two four", that would be - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="609.990" EndTime="611.650" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, they would have to have a mark. |
| </Segment> |
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| <Emphasis> Interesting. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="611.415" EndTime="613.162" Participant="me018"> |
| There'd be some kind of mark in front of it. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="613.980" EndTime="616.264" Participant="me013"> |
| Well, cuz they're s- distinguishing between twenty-three - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="616.790" EndTime="621.784" Participant="me013"> |
| that's your <Emphasis> indicator </Emphasis> there, and twenty-three that somebody happens to <Emphasis> say </Emphasis> in a <Emphasis> meeting. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="619.800" EndTime="621.170" Participant="fe008"> |
| Oh, that's true. |
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| <Segment StartTime="620.010" EndTime="622.530" Participant="me018"> |
| Well it would have t- yeah, it would have to be um, |
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| you know either obviously a s- sounding synthesized, uh, little - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="623.750" EndTime="624.518" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. <Comment Description="creaky voice, lengthened"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="627.182" EndTime="628.480" Participant="me013"> |
| But they might miss that, right? |
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| Or maybe could it be a <Emphasis> click </Emphasis> and the <Emphasis> number. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="628.607" EndTime="629.590" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="630.940" EndTime="632.260" Participant="me018"> |
| Or a <Emphasis> beep </Emphasis> and the number. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="632.260" EndTime="633.744" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, it's sequential. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="632.380" EndTime="636.141" Participant="fe008"> |
| Or a beep and the number, and then - and then you just do the - the num- th- you do it as a d- a digit. |
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| <Segment StartTime="634.520" EndTime="637.660" Participant="me011"> |
| Right, you would go sequential. So unless you got pretty unlucky, |
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| <Segment StartTime="635.317" EndTime="636.393" Participant="me018"> |
| Uh, right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="637.454" EndTime="638.591" Participant="mn014"> |
| <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain> |
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| <Segment StartTime="638.996" EndTime="641.015" Participant="me011"> |
| what the person was saying and the number - |
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| <Segment StartTime="641.751" EndTime="645.630" Participant="me018"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> In <Emphasis> fact, </Emphasis> we could put it at the <Emphasis> beginning </Emphasis> of each utterance. We could say "beep |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="645.760" EndTime="646.435" Participant="me018"> |
| <Emphasis> one </Emphasis>". |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="646.665" EndTime="648.030" Participant="me018"> |
| And then they'll hear the speech. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="647.730" EndTime="649.350" Participant="me013"> |
| I think having a beep too is good. |
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| <Segment StartTime="650.440" EndTime="655.340" Participant="me011"> |
| So beep number. Yeah the- It's just getting pretty <Emphasis> long. </Emphasis> You know, the utterances are very <Emphasis> short. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="651.500" EndTime="652.970" Participant="me018"> |
| Or a number beep - |
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| <Segment StartTime="653.411" EndTime="654.254" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="655.204" EndTime="655.913" Participant="me018"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="655.873" EndTime="661.583" Participant="me011"> |
| And so you're gonna be talking beep, number, "yes!" beep, number, "no". <Comment Description="last five words while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="659.968" EndTime="660.713" Participant="me018"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="660.500" EndTime="662.924" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, if - if it saves time, yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="662.125" EndTime="665.610" Participant="me018"> |
| <Emphasis> Yeah, </Emphasis> and u- I think it would - I - <Emphasis> Actually, </Emphasis> I thi- I <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> that. I think it would - |
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| <VocalSound Description="coughs twice"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="664.413" EndTime="668.976" Participant="me011"> |
| And when they transcribe <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> meeting it's gonna be <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> <Emphasis> impossible. </Emphasis> <Comment Description="last four words while laughing"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="665.820" EndTime="672.120" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah, <Comment Description="while laughing"/> that's funny. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="668.176" EndTime="671.460" Participant="me013"> |
| W- we're <Emphasis> saying </Emphasis> "beep". Yeah - <Comment Description="while laughing"/> for instance. |
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| <Segment StartTime="669.084" EndTime="669.997" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, yep. |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="670.000" EndTime="671.009" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="671.009" EndTime="673.738" Participant="me018"> |
| But see that would - that would <Emphasis> definitely </Emphasis> keep - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="673.030" EndTime="673.947" Participant="me011"> |
| It's not a bad idea. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="673.738" EndTime="675.150" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. Keep |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="675.150" EndTime="680.740" Participant="me018"> |
| things from getting out of <Emphasis> sequence. </Emphasis> If they <Emphasis> heard </Emphasis> it <Emphasis> over </Emphasis> again they would <Emphasis> know. </Emphasis> It would be <Emphasis> obvious </Emphasis> from their <Emphasis> transcript </Emphasis> whether they <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> that one or not. |
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| <Segment StartTime="680.280" EndTime="683.320" Participant="fe008"> |
| It might actually <Emphasis> help </Emphasis> <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> in terms of their <Emphasis> place </Emphasis> holding. Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="680.740" EndTime="682.548" Participant="me011"> |
| That <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> help get them synchronized. |
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| <Segment StartTime="682.800" EndTime="683.320" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="683.320" EndTime="685.530" Participant="fe008"> |
| And it might be helpful to <Emphasis> them </Emphasis> in terms of d- act- |
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| I think it <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> be, because they would know their <Emphasis> place. </Emphasis> Yeah. |
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| And we have plenty of <Emphasis> digits </Emphasis> data, so. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| They would know their place, darn it! <Comment Description="last three words while laughing"/> <Comment Description="humor, play on words"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="688.205" EndTime="688.682" Participant="me018"> |
| We- <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| Know - <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="691.002" EndTime="693.207" Participant="me011"> |
| Those transcriptionists need to know their place. |
| </Segment> |
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| <Uncertain> Oh. </Uncertain> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="692.469" EndTime="695.691" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, <Emphasis> no </Emphasis> no no no. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="693.065" EndTime="699.689" Participant="me013"> |
| But it sounds like a k- a - a - a short conversation with Brian might be - might be helpful to get a sense of what's going on. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="696.377" EndTime="698.380" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. I'll - I'll - I'll write him an - |
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| <Segment StartTime="698.380" EndTime="699.526" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, the <Emphasis> numbers </Emphasis> are a good idea. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="699.498" EndTime="700.220" Participant="fe008"> |
| O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="699.650" EndTime="700.340" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="699.890" EndTime="700.691" Participant="mn014"> |
| Or just - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="699.910" EndTime="702.327" Participant="me011"> |
| Othe- other than <Emphasis> lengthening </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> transcript, </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="702.680" EndTime="704.025" Participant="me011"> |
| I think it would be very helpful. |
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| <Segment StartTime="704.760" EndTime="707.048" Participant="mn014"> |
| Just instead of the sequential number, for- |
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| <Segment StartTime="707.048" EndTime="713.104" Participant="mn014"> |
| perhaps just the speaker I_D <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> or something. Just say speaker one <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> or spea- or just one, two, three, four <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> for four speakers or something. <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="713.104" EndTime="713.390" Participant="mn014"> |
| Pppt! <Comment Description="vocal gesture, possibly meaning "what the heck, give it a try""/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="713.270" EndTime="714.830" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> I - i- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="713.390" EndTime="714.770" Participant="mn014"> |
| Could - could be helpful. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="714.770" EndTime="715.737" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, you don't have to - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="716.055" EndTime="721.021" Participant="me011"> |
| you <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> keep <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> short by not s- or just go one through ten, one through ten, one through ten, or one through twenty. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="716.999" EndTime="717.385" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="717.776" EndTime="718.211" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="718.676" EndTime="719.160" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="719.691" EndTime="720.146" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="721.858" EndTime="727.720" Participant="fe008"> |
| And then <Emphasis> also, </Emphasis> if we - I mean, I don't know what their <Emphasis> setup </Emphasis> is, but your <Emphasis> template </Emphasis> idea might be a way of - of |
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| <Segment StartTime="727.140" EndTime="727.668" Participant="me011"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="727.720" EndTime="730.290" Participant="fe008"> |
| of - We could actually <Emphasis> build </Emphasis> the numbers <Emphasis> into </Emphasis> a template. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="729.885" EndTime="730.332" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="732.048" EndTime="732.547" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Uncertain> Well. </Uncertain> <Comment Description="very quietly"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="732.937" EndTime="735.290" Participant="me018"> |
| I'll talk to Brian, and see what he - |
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| <Segment StartTime="734.920" EndTime="736.087" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, <Emphasis> single </Emphasis> digit numbers - |
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| <Segment StartTime="736.501" EndTime="736.924" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="736.550" EndTime="738.956" Participant="me011"> |
| That also appeals to me. So that you don't have to, you know - |
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| <Segment StartTime="736.900" EndTime="738.020" Participant="fe008"> |
| That's a good idea. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="738.310" EndTime="739.260" Participant="fe008"> |
| Very simple. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="739.830" EndTime="741.380" Participant="me011"> |
| "One hundred twenty-four" <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="741.650" EndTime="742.330" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
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| Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| Well, th- although - |
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| "Beep. One thousand three hundred forty-two" |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="745.731" EndTime="749.636" Participant="me013"> |
| You're saying i- it's - it's about an hour meeting, and there were a hundred and twenty-three - |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| I don't remember. |
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| It's forty-five minutes. |
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| <Segment StartTime="749.980" EndTime="751.560" Participant="me011"> |
| Chuck was saying there was more than that. |
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| Hmm? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="751.830" EndTime="753.349" Participant="fe008"> |
| Forty-five minutes for <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> one. <Comment Description="in response to [me013]'s "Hmm?", thinking it was intended for [fe008] herself"/> |
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| <Comment Description="[me013] asked "Hmm?" and both [me011] and [fe008] respond, but on totally different topics"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="751.940" EndTime="752.877" Participant="me011"> |
| <Emphasis> More </Emphasis> beeps than that. <Comment Description="in response to [me013]'s "Hmm?", thinking it was intended for [me011] himself"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="753.040" EndTime="754.860" Participant="me018"> |
| <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> was thinking there was on the order of |
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| fifteen <Emphasis> hundred </Emphasis> segments, but maybe I'm - |
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| There <Emphasis> must </Emphasis> be. Because <Emphasis> otherwise, </Emphasis> you're going a whole - |
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| I think it should be more, yeah. |
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| <Uncertain> It's </Uncertain> possible. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="760.632" EndTime="761.346" Participant="fe016"> |
| That was |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="761.346" EndTime="763.128" Participant="fe016"> |
| at least forty-five minutes, right? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="762.603" EndTime="763.535" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. That's right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="763.540" EndTime="765.017" Participant="me011"> |
| Was it that many? I just don't recall. |
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| <Segment StartTime="764.100" EndTime="765.417" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah, it was forty-five minutes. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="764.640" EndTime="767.647" Participant="fe016"> |
| That's the shortest meeting we <Emphasis> have. </Emphasis> Most of them are <Emphasis> double </Emphasis> that, or |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="767.411" EndTime="767.924" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="769.330" EndTime="771.100" Participant="me013"> |
| Well, I was just wondering what the average length |
| </Segment> |
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| <Uncertain> so </Uncertain> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="771.580" EndTime="773.853" Participant="me018"> |
| Oh, of a - of a segment that they're hearing? |
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| <Emphasis> thing </Emphasis> was. |
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| It's - |
| </Segment> |
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| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
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| I don't know. |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="brief vocalized outbreath"/> <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="774.849" EndTime="776.223" Participant="fe008"> |
| Hmm, interesting. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="775.907" EndTime="776.828" Participant="me018"> |
| I don't know. |
| </Segment> |
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| Uh- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="776.001" EndTime="778.463" Participant="me011"> |
| Easy enough to figure out. We have all that data. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="776.828" EndTime="777.617" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="777.020" EndTime="778.358" Participant="fe016"> |
| So if there <Emphasis> are </Emphasis> in the - |
| </Segment> |
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| in the <Emphasis> hundreds </Emphasis> and thou- or <Emphasis> thousands </Emphasis> of these - |
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| <Segment StartTime="782.744" EndTime="785.644" Participant="fe016"> |
| It <Emphasis> must </Emphasis> be in the high <Emphasis> hundreds </Emphasis> of them, at <Emphasis> least. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="785.090" EndTime="786.599" Participant="me013"> |
| So, right. So i- |
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| <Segment StartTime="786.240" EndTime="789.090" Participant="fe016"> |
| So that's getting a little cumbersome for them to type, like, |
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| <Segment StartTime="788.200" EndTime="788.870" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="788.826" EndTime="790.450" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> Well, </Emphasis> with <Emphasis> just </Emphasis> one <Emphasis> digit </Emphasis> though, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="789.380" EndTime="790.329" Participant="fe016"> |
| five hundred? <Comment Description="quickly decreasing volume"/> |
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| I think - |
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| Well - |
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| <Segment StartTime="790.840" EndTime="792.936" Participant="fe016"> |
| But yeah, if they recycle through - |
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| <Segment StartTime="792.160" EndTime="794.440" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah, if we - if we did mod ten, then - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="792.523" EndTime="793.031" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="793.900" EndTime="797.819" Participant="me013"> |
| Right, but my <Emphasis> point </Emphasis> was, you know, if - It's a <Emphasis> big </Emphasis> difference to me if there's a <Emphasis> thousand </Emphasis> or there's a <Emphasis> hundred. </Emphasis> If |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="797.819" EndTime="799.127" Participant="me013"> |
| there's a <Emphasis> thousand, </Emphasis> then that means |
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| <Segment StartTime="799.353" EndTime="802.190" Participant="me013"> |
| that this is only happening <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> times out of a <Emphasis> thousand. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="802.190" EndTime="807.436" Participant="me013"> |
| Which means, you know, even just splitting it up into a few <Emphasis> files </Emphasis> would probably take - You know, nearly all the <Emphasis> time, </Emphasis> there would be no - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="806.654" EndTime="807.358" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="807.870" EndTime="811.555" Participant="me013"> |
| W- if it's a <Emphasis> hundred, </Emphasis> then - you know, that's <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> the issue, <Comment Description="embedded"/> but if it's a hundred, |
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| <Segment StartTime="811.922" EndTime="818.081" Participant="me013"> |
| then, the average <Emphasis> length </Emphasis> of each one is pretty - pretty <Emphasis> long </Emphasis> and so having a little thing at the front of it is no big <Emphasis> deal. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="818.057" EndTime="819.113" Participant="me018"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="818.448" EndTime="819.832" Participant="me013"> |
| So, <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> why I was <Emphasis> curious. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="818.590" EndTime="822.309" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, <Emphasis> you're </Emphasis> right. It <Emphasis> had </Emphasis> to have been more than that. I mean, it was a forty-five minute meeting, so - |
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| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="822.309" EndTime="825.970" Participant="me011"> |
| And it certainly was not a minute a chunk, it was a few <Emphasis> seconds </Emphasis> a chunk. |
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| That's what I - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="826.312" EndTime="826.771" Participant="me018"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="826.321" EndTime="828.494" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yeah, so it'd be a lot of overhead to type. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="826.809" EndTime="828.079" Participant="me011"> |
| So I'm just mis-remembering. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="829.290" EndTime="830.309" Participant="me011"> |
| I'm just mis-remembering. |
| </Segment> |
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| Oh, I - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="830.673" EndTime="831.128" Participant="me011"> |
| So. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="830.840" EndTime="836.073" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, and the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing is, maybe the numbers would help them keep their place in the transcript and speed the process - |
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| <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain> <Comment Description="very quietly"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="834.527" EndTime="839.308" Participant="me011"> |
| It might make the transcript faster - W- wel- I mean I - A quick conversation with Brian would be good, so. |
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| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="837.952" EndTime="838.546" Participant="fe008"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="838.480" EndTime="839.260" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="844.460" EndTime="845.066" Participant="me011"> |
| O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="848.740" EndTime="850.002" Participant="me011"> |
| And other than that - |
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| Actually, if it <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> - |
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| u- |
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| <Segment StartTime="852.298" EndTime="853.651" Participant="fe016"> |
| I mean, it's not a bad |
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| <Segment StartTime="854.087" EndTime="855.690" Participant="fe016"> |
| idea to <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> the alignment. |
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| Um, if there's only like <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> of <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them, </Pronounce> |
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| <Segment StartTime="858.820" EndTime="859.188" Participant="fe016"> |
| then |
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| <Segment StartTime="859.899" EndTime="864.704" Participant="fe016"> |
| if you <Emphasis> align, </Emphasis> the first point at which things get messed up is sort of the location of the first problem. |
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| <Segment StartTime="864.376" EndTime="864.890" Participant="me011"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="865.250" EndTime="867.151" Participant="fe016"> |
| And then, the second p- I mean, |
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| you could <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> it that way, or you could - |
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| It's - it's - |
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| <Segment StartTime="870.380" EndTime="871.303" Participant="fe016"> |
| it would be |
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| <Segment StartTime="871.910" EndTime="875.477" Participant="fe016"> |
| able to handle any errors. So if they make, on the average, that <Emphasis> many, </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="873.733" EndTime="874.259" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="876.615" EndTime="881.420" Participant="fe016"> |
| and it costs them more time to do something different than what they're doing, which I don't know, <Comment Description="embedded"/> but if it <Emphasis> does, </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="882.200" EndTime="884.813" Participant="fe016"> |
| then we could <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> doing that as a post-process, and, |
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| <Segment StartTime="885.545" EndTime="890.400" Participant="fe016"> |
| um, have a student or a transcriber run this alignment, or we can do it and - |
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| <Segment StartTime="888.904" EndTime="889.422" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="889.490" EndTime="891.910" Participant="me018"> |
| You know <Emphasis> actually, </Emphasis> what - all that we would - |
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| <Segment StartTime="891.050" EndTime="892.543" Participant="fe016"> |
| then you can iteratively |
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| <Segment StartTime="893.257" EndTime="894.923" Participant="fe016"> |
| figure out <Comment Description="while laughing"/> where the problems are. |
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| You know, Liz, all we would re- |
| </Segment> |
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| It would take a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> work, but not any real human - not a lot of human work. |
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| <Segment StartTime="898.110" EndTime="899.827" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. I mean, <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> what we want to avoid. |
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| <Segment StartTime="898.810" EndTime="905.327" Participant="me018"> |
| I mean if - in terms of the alignment, actually, all we would need is - we wouldn't even need <Emphasis> words. </Emphasis> We would need a <Emphasis> general </Emphasis> speech model and a <Emphasis> beep </Emphasis> model. |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="905.327" EndTime="908.977" Participant="me018"> |
| Cuz all we're really <Emphasis> concerned </Emphasis> about is missing beeps or too <Emphasis> many </Emphasis> beeps. |
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| Well, the for- the <Emphasis> forced </Emphasis> alignment will run fa- otherwise it'll take forever. I mean, |
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| So if we had a - |
| </Segment> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
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| to really run recognition? <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
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| Well - l- I guess what I'm <Emphasis> thinking </Emphasis> of is that w- |
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| Or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="917.637" EndTime="918.821" Participant="me018"> |
| that a lot of times |
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| <Segment StartTime="919.010" EndTime="921.621" Participant="me018"> |
| there will be - they'll put in question marks, |
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| <Segment StartTime="921.621" EndTime="925.940" Participant="me018"> |
| that represent some unknown amount of speech, so we're gonna have to have some kind of - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="922.260" EndTime="923.118" Participant="fe016"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="925.490" EndTime="927.544" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yeah, then we just map it to a <Emphasis> reject </Emphasis> model. |
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| <Segment StartTime="928.040" EndTime="933.445" Participant="fe016"> |
| In - and in fact, that's what we do <Emphasis> now. </Emphasis> Cuz there's cases, even after <Emphasis> Jane </Emphasis> listens, where, you know, we have - |
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| <Segment StartTime="930.181" EndTime="930.615" Participant="me018"> |
| Right, h- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="933.445" EndTime="935.991" Participant="fe016"> |
| an <Emphasis> expert </Emphasis> can't even tell what they're talking about. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="935.660" EndTime="936.380" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="935.991" EndTime="939.796" Participant="fe016"> |
| Um, so that's O_K. Just map that to reject and - |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="937.400" EndTime="937.891" Participant="me018"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="937.891" EndTime="942.850" Participant="me018"> |
| Well, what I was <Emphasis> thinking </Emphasis> is, map <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the speech to the <Emphasis> reject </Emphasis> model. And then you have a <Emphasis> beep </Emphasis> model. |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="941.605" EndTime="942.132" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="942.695" EndTime="944.603" Participant="me011"> |
| But that won't <Emphasis> work </Emphasis> because it's - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="943.020" EndTime="944.605" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah, you're still talking a forced al- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="944.469" EndTime="948.030" Participant="fe016"> |
| The forced alignment might not work then, <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> although we can <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> it. |
| </Segment> |
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| Um - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="948.900" EndTime="950.141" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, but, all we'll get - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="949.370" EndTime="953.627" Participant="me013"> |
| Well, with the beep models, is what's really - you'd have really g- it would be really good though. So - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="951.599" EndTime="954.668" Participant="me018"> |
| The beep model is - is gonna match, like, <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> well. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="952.530" EndTime="953.509" Participant="fe016"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="953.627" EndTime="957.271" Participant="me013"> |
| so it's p- so it's really just doing, yeah, a keyword, like a spotting for beep with - |
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| <Segment StartTime="955.950" EndTime="960.631" Participant="fe016"> |
| Right. But it'll - it'll grab the next beep, in other words. It'll be - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="960.631" EndTime="962.336" Participant="fe016"> |
| You'll get back another offset. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="963.010" EndTime="965.813" Participant="fe016"> |
| Um - I mean, I was <Emphasis> thinking </Emphasis> of - then I - and then I realized "Well, |
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| <Segment StartTime="965.813" EndTime="968.403" Participant="fe016"> |
| the recognizer will just go along and line up all the beeps, |
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| <Segment StartTime="968.403" EndTime="972.200" Participant="fe016"> |
| and then there'll be all the extra beeps at the end <Pause/> if there were more beeps then you |
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| <Segment StartTime="972.270" EndTime="972.911" Participant="fe016"> |
| wanted." |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="972.290" EndTime="974.268" Participant="me011"> |
| Right, you - you <Emphasis> need </Emphasis> - But you <Emphasis> need </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> text </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="972.911" EndTime="978.459" Participant="fe016"> |
| So you need the word - you need the word to c- sort of control the relative location. |
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| <Segment StartTime="975.100" EndTime="976.975" Participant="me011"> |
| to tell it where it got it <Emphasis> wrong. </Emphasis> Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="977.250" EndTime="981.269" Participant="me018"> |
| No, I'm not sug- I'm not suggesting that we don't have anything <Emphasis> between </Emphasis> the beeps. |
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| It will tell you - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="981.800" EndTime="982.220" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="982.220" EndTime="985.410" Participant="me018"> |
| But I - what I'm saying is, what's <Emphasis> between </Emphasis> the beeps we don't really <Emphasis> care </Emphasis> about. |
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| <Segment StartTime="985.680" EndTime="987.363" Participant="fe016"> |
| I think you <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> care about it. |
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| <Segment StartTime="987.060" EndTime="989.317" Participant="me011"> |
| Because you have to know which ones match which. |
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| <Emphasis> Unless </Emphasis> you wanna know if they're - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="989.038" EndTime="991.770" Participant="fe016"> |
| Right. Otherwise you just count up the total |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="991.740" EndTime="993.660" Participant="me011"> |
| And we can do that with <Emphasis> wordcount. </Emphasis> <Comment Description="while laughing"/> <Comment Description="maybe referring to UNIX program "wc""/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="991.770" EndTime="992.861" Participant="fe016"> |
| number of beeps. |
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| <Segment StartTime="994.380" EndTime="997.745" Participant="me011"> |
| Right? We <Emphasis> already </Emphasis> know that - that we're three <Emphasis> short. </Emphasis> And so if we just did |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="995.661" EndTime="996.347" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="998.630" EndTime="1004.651" Participant="me011"> |
| spee- uh beep and non-beep all you would <Emphasis> get </Emphasis> is that you have three <Emphasis> mistakes, </Emphasis> but you wouldn't tell you which ones were <Emphasis> wrong. </Emphasis> |
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| Right. |
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| You need some of the <Emphasis> words </Emphasis> in there, so that you can say "well, <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> segment matches <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> one, <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> segment matches <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> one, and <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> one doesn't match at <Emphasis> all, </Emphasis> |
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| unless we insert a <Emphasis> beep </Emphasis>". |
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| <Uncertain> I mean </Uncertain> the <Emphasis> only </Emphasis> thing I'm worried about with that approach is that if |
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| O_K. |
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| we need to |
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| figure out the beep |
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| alignment problem |
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| before the transcribers do the corrections here, <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> then we're in trouble. In other words, if the transcripts aren't sort of |
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| good enough that the aligner |
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| constraints are good enough to sort of |
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| show you where the errors are, then |
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| it wouldn't work. But it <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> work. It might work to do this if their transcripts are pretty close |
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| on the words that usually get recognized correctly, which are the, |
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| you know, function words, the <Emphasis> common </Emphasis> words. |
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| Well, actually, you know, there's an even easier way. We don't really need a beep model. |
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| Um, just extract the segments and do a forced alignment, |
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| Right, you can also - |
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| and if the score is <Emphasis> good, </Emphasis> then you say it matches - |
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| In fact that's what we do - |
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| Right. The individual segments <Emphasis> between </Emphasis> the beeps - |
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| Um, if beeps were like the segments that we get from |
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| um, the transcription tool <Emphasis> already, </Emphasis> that <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> what we have <Emphasis> done, </Emphasis> and it works <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> well. You can see these |
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| segments align and these don't. |
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| Um, then you just have to go back in and figure out where the endpoints of those segments are, cuz some of them will be wrong. |
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| Because the bi- the beeps were missing, by <Emphasis> definition. </Emphasis> |
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| Right. |
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| So do you get a score for each alignment? Is that what you get? |
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| So it might actually work. |
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| Um, you ca- you get, um - |
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| Definitely when they don't align at all, it - it - it <Emphasis> fails. </Emphasis> |
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| I mean, that - that's how we found a lot of |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| problems <Emphasis> before, </Emphasis> with, um, words being on the wrong place or something. |
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| So a <Emphasis> failed </Emphasis> alignment is a very good indicator that - |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| that - |
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| the words don't match up. |
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| I'm just wondering when - wha- what it means to fail. |
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| Um - |
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| Is it the - the likelihood scores below some threshold - |
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| Yeah, is, uh - it - Right. |
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| It can't match up the - |
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| That's why you actually need the text. In order to force you to try to match something that gives you a model to match against. |
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| So - It's just an idea, if - |
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| if it turns out that - |
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| I mean, I <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> like this idea of high and low beeps, or - |
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| But it - if - |
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| Suppose we get <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> or <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> errors, <Emphasis> still, </Emphasis> per - |
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| you know, per transcript, then we z- |
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| we might wanna try some approach like that. |
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| Well, the <Emphasis> numbered </Emphasis> ones would make it a lot easier, cuz you could then really localize where the error is. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Where it is. <Comment Description="completing [me011]'s utterance"/> |
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| Right. |
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| Yeah. |
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| If - so, if that doesn't add time for <Emphasis> them, </Emphasis> that'd be great. You know, like - |
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| Yep. |
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| I think it would <Emphasis> save </Emphasis> them time. I think it would help them keep the track - <Emphasis> track </Emphasis> of it. |
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| We have to ask them. |
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| Uh - uh, again, especially if there's hundred - many hundreds or thousands I still think it would - it would cut the incidence of this a lot if it was possible to break it into a couple files. |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
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| Interesting, yeah. |
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| <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain> Cuz it, you know, it's r- r- |
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| I guess <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> even for the <Emphasis> transcribers, </Emphasis> |
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| it's quicker to load a smaller file - <Comment Description="last two words while laughing"/> |
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| into the - You know, t- for the checking problem. <Comment Description="voice raised due to overlap"/> |
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| Yeah, I mean, we could certainly break the meetings - |
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| Into |
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| We could <Pronounce> certainly </Pronounce> break the meetings into pi- pieces. <Comment Description="speech errors maybe due to overlap"/> |
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| twenty minutes chunks or something, or - |
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| So, just - |
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| I mean, you've already broken them into <Emphasis> chunks, </Emphasis> so if you have - if you have a th- if you have a thousand chunks then |
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| Just - |
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| Just accumulate it till you get twenty minutes worth? <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
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| make <Pause/> ten things of a hundred, or - or you know. |
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| There's one file. |
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| <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> true, yeah. |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="papers rustling"/> |
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| Yep. |
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| And then it will be, you know, this - Eve- every now and then there'll be a - a beep missing. |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="papers rustling"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
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| So, someone's gonna talk to Brian. |
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| Yeah, I'll - |
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| I think that was <Emphasis> Chuck. </Emphasis> |
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| I'll talk to him. |
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| O_K. |
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| Yep. |
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| I also looked thr- over the text and I was impressed by the accuracy, it looks really good. |
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| Yeah, it <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> look good. I mean, I found several errors, but they were not |
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| significant. |
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| They were all things that I could easily listen to and |
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| sometimes convince myself they said one thing and sometimes the other, so. |
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| Yeah, it's there. Mm-hmm. |
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| I haven't looked at these, um - |
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| cuz I was gone last week, but - |
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| but Don had told me that there's a difference in some of the conventions? |
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| Oh. Yes. But this is not important. It's systematic, yeah. <Comment Description="voice raised due to overlap"/> |
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| So - but those are all <Emphasis> easy </Emphasis> things, right? |
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| Yeah. |
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| O_K. |
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| And - and Brian actually forwarded me in advance. He - he wor- he very nicely worked out |
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| a set of <Pronounce Pronunciation=""conventionj""> conventions </Pronounce> which is intermediate between ours and the ones that they're <Emphasis> used </Emphasis> to. Which is - which is really a good - a good way to do it. |
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| O_K. |
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| So we can just map - |
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| map them to - |
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| No problem. |
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| Great. |
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| Hmm. |
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| O_K. |
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| Um - |
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| We still haven't really sat down and talked about file reorganization, <Pause/> and directory reorganization. So we still have to do that. |
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| But I don't think we need to do that in this meeting. |
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| But, uh - |
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| It <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> something that needs to get done, and I wanna <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> coordinate it with Dave so that we do a level zero backup right after. |
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| So we don't waste a lot of tapes. |
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| But, uh - |
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| So - let's - let's try to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that sometime, O_K? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> ch- O_K? |
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| Yeah. We can do it this week. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Um - |
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| We also still <Pause/> have to make a decision about <Emphasis> mike </Emphasis> issues, what we wanna <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> with that. |
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| I thought we were going to get two more of the |
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| ones - |
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| And just swap <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> in and out? |
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| Yeah, we could certainly do that. |
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| So why not? |
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| So - |
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| uh, Morgan, just to - |
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| uh, since you weren't at the meeting <Emphasis> last </Emphasis> week, uh, apparently a bunch of the E_D_U fe- folks really hate this style mike. |
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| Um, I wouldn't - well, it - |
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| they didn't say "hate" but they - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| they c- they come on time to their meetings in order to not be <Emphasis> left </Emphasis> the last person who has to sit by those |
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| Can I - I c- I - |
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| I mean, that's - that's - <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> a fairly strong indication of dislike. |
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| mikes. |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> actually really like <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> though. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> |
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| Um - |
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| Which one is these? The uh - |
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| There were a few people - you, and like, three or four people who <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> like them. |
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| The Crown. |
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| Uh-huh. |
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| Yeah, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> do. |
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| And e- and th- all the others |
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| really don't. |
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| So what I was <Emphasis> thinking </Emphasis> is, we could <Emphasis> get </Emphasis> a few more of the <Emphasis> Sony </Emphasis> ones and just unplug <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> and plug <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> in. And the only thing is that |
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| when you fill out the <Emphasis> digit </Emphasis> forms, you have to be sure to indicate which mike was actually used. |
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| So, I mean, that's easy to do. Um - |
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| it - it - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1325.197" EndTime="1331.180" Participant="me011"> |
| moves us <Emphasis> away </Emphasis> from this uniform, all the mikes are the <Emphasis> same, </Emphasis> which some people had said was a benefit. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1332.330" EndTime="1332.736" Participant="me011"> |
| But - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1332.813" EndTime="1340.180" Participant="fe008"> |
| The <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing, <Emphasis> too, </Emphasis> is th- y- <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> said that the acoustic pra- q- quality of the one that you're <Emphasis> wearing, </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> fancy </Emphasis> one, is actually somewhat <Emphasis> better </Emphasis> than |
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| It <Emphasis> is. </Emphasis> |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1341.130" EndTime="1344.141" Participant="fe008"> |
| So I- I don't know if it's a noticeable <Emphasis> difference, </Emphasis> but it is - |
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| I mean, I p- I personally really <Emphasis> prefer </Emphasis> that model, so I think you know we've got this problem of people having different - |
| </Segment> |
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| different preferences. |
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| You know, there are <Emphasis> so </Emphasis> many things about this that are non-uniform that I think having - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1354.922" EndTime="1360.440" Participant="me013"> |
| having <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> modicum of uniformity is a good thing, but you're just not going to - I mean we've - |
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| O_K. |
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| uh - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1362.552" EndTime="1371.108" Participant="me013"> |
| For instance, jus- just the fact that people sit in different positions, different times, the - exactly where they put it with respect to their mouth is different each time. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1367.041" EndTime="1367.488" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| <VocalSound Description="sudden expulsive outbreath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1371.650" EndTime="1372.617" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh - |
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| I - I just don't - I mean, I think we - we're - we're getting rid of <Emphasis> major </Emphasis> differences like we're not using the lapel anymore, an- and so forth. But |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1376.642" EndTime="1377.784" Participant="fe008"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1379.929" EndTime="1384.060" Participant="me013"> |
| the other stuff is just gonna - some variability we're gonna have to accept. |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1384.034" EndTime="1391.520" Participant="fe008"> |
| It's - I - I understand, that's fine with me. I - I g- <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> say that um, I find this model easier to <Emphasis> adjust, </Emphasis> that's one of the reasons I don't like <Emphasis> these, </Emphasis> cuz I keep m- |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1390.362" EndTime="1391.570" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh-huh. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1391.520" EndTime="1394.560" Participant="fe008"> |
| you know, bending it, and then it's n- and I never really know - |
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| Yeah, see I - I happen to like the old one better. |
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| You do? O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1395.198" EndTime="1395.676" Participant="me013"> |
| But - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1395.676" EndTime="1396.193" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1396.310" EndTime="1398.720" Participant="fe016"> |
| What about just a different <Emphasis> headband </Emphasis> thing? |
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| <Segment StartTime="1396.352" EndTime="1397.870" Participant="me013"> |
| And some people do, but - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1398.720" EndTime="1402.506" Participant="fe016"> |
| Or even if we could attach two headband - Like, I don't <Emphasis> mind </Emphasis> those, but it - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1398.859" EndTime="1399.867" Participant="me011"> |
| I mean - |
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| <Uncertain> th- </Uncertain> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1400.917" EndTime="1401.762" Participant="me011"> |
| We abs- th- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1402.130" EndTime="1405.844" Participant="me011"> |
| We have lots o- of choices of microphones. So - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1402.911" EndTime="1404.260" Participant="fe016"> |
| they bounce around. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1406.410" EndTime="1409.316" Participant="fe016"> |
| I mean, can we keep the <Emphasis> microphones, </Emphasis> and just |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1408.704" EndTime="1409.209" Participant="me011"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1409.630" EndTime="1411.496" Participant="fe016"> |
| somehow attach a more comfortable <Comment Description="last two words while laughing"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1412.218" EndTime="1413.261" Participant="fe016"> |
| thing over your head? |
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| <Segment StartTime="1412.354" EndTime="1412.928" Participant="me011"> |
| <Uncertain> Mmm. </Uncertain> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1412.928" EndTime="1413.428" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1413.261" EndTime="1414.899" Participant="fe016"> |
| <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> my <Emphasis> problem </Emphasis> with this one. The - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1414.899" EndTime="1418.596" Participant="fe016"> |
| the <Emphasis> ear </Emphasis> thing comes out to <Emphasis> here. </Emphasis> It doesn't even <Emphasis> fit </Emphasis> over my <Emphasis> ear. </Emphasis> |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1418.310" EndTime="1418.676" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1418.436" EndTime="1419.383" Participant="fe008"> |
| Hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1418.596" EndTime="1422.758" Participant="fe016"> |
| And for some of the others, it's - their ears were shaped in a way that |
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| <Segment StartTime="1422.758" EndTime="1424.080" Participant="fe016"> |
| didn't hold the - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1423.536" EndTime="1424.278" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1423.859" EndTime="1424.767" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain> Huh. |
| </Segment> |
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| I mean, so we can go microphone shopping, and get - get more microphones. It's just - w- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1428.779" EndTime="1430.852" Participant="fe008"> |
| Then they have to be rewired though, don't they? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1429.475" EndTime="1431.181" Participant="me011"> |
| I'm just not sure what we should do. |
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| <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1429.690" EndTime="1430.050" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1430.465" EndTime="1436.900" Participant="me013"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> You know. I mean, here's another argument against worrying too much about uniformity. We have something like forty-five hours of data collected. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1430.852" EndTime="1431.930" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> Specially. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1438.310" EndTime="1442.731" Participant="me013"> |
| And, uh, we're also gonna be integrating in this corpus stuff that's - that's being done at U_W, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1442.517" EndTime="1443.039" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1443.370" EndTime="1446.570" Participant="me013"> |
| uh, with entirely different microphones. So I - I think, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1446.990" EndTime="1447.451" Participant="me013"> |
| you know, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1447.790" EndTime="1449.293" Participant="me013"> |
| getting away from the lapel, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1449.293" EndTime="1454.522" Participant="me013"> |
| having close-mounted mikes, having people adjust them as they're most - as - as - as comfortable as they can - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1454.472" EndTime="1455.618" Participant="me011"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Well, I - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1455.050" EndTime="1456.464" Participant="me013"> |
| I think that's sort of the big deal. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1455.980" EndTime="1458.174" Participant="me011"> |
| <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> agree with that, and so <Emphasis> my </Emphasis> feeling is, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1458.174" EndTime="1460.173" Participant="me011"> |
| we should get mikes that people like. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1460.240" EndTime="1460.597" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1460.430" EndTime="1460.680" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1460.680" EndTime="1464.294" Participant="me011"> |
| And so I- <Emphasis> my </Emphasis> feeling is, going out and buying a few more <Emphasis> mikes </Emphasis> is <Emphasis> fine. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1464.060" EndTime="1464.418" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1464.401" EndTime="1465.405" Participant="mn014"> |
| <Uncertain> Yeah, that's right. </Uncertain> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1464.850" EndTime="1466.453" Participant="me011"> |
| So should I just go <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that? |
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| <Segment StartTime="1465.980" EndTime="1466.503" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1466.453" EndTime="1467.004" Participant="me011"> |
| O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1466.625" EndTime="1467.897" Participant="fe016"> |
| What about these - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1467.004" EndTime="1469.978" Participant="me011"> |
| And then also, should we go ahead and get another <Emphasis> wireless </Emphasis> system? |
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| You know, for whatever it's gonna be, uh - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1474.085" EndTime="1474.910" Participant="fe008"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1474.685" EndTime="1476.582" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh, another wireless system. <Comment Description="echoes [me011]'s utterance, indicating not yet clear"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1476.773" EndTime="1479.120" Participant="me013"> |
| You mean, another <Emphasis> transmitter? </Emphasis> Or - or - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1479.120" EndTime="1484.129" Participant="me011"> |
| Uh, no, actually, get - we need another box. Because each - each box in the back room can only take six. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1484.590" EndTime="1487.684" Participant="me013"> |
| Oh, to get r- to get rid of the wired things. Yes, absolutely. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1485.005" EndTime="1485.620" Participant="me011"> |
| So we could- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1486.096" EndTime="1486.460" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1487.860" EndTime="1488.344" Participant="me011"> |
| O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1488.870" EndTime="1489.260" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1489.330" EndTime="1497.480" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh, because - cuz we've had - With the exception of forgetting to change the batteries from time to time, uh, we've really had no tr- <Emphasis> no </Emphasis> trouble with this at all, right? And - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1489.400" EndTime="1490.687" Participant="me011"> |
| So I'll just go d- I'll do that. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1496.177" EndTime="1496.657" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1497.793" EndTime="1501.356" Participant="me013"> |
| and the wired stuff is just gonna continue to degrade as, you know, and |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1501.810" EndTime="1503.529" Participant="me013"> |
| nobody will remember how to - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1501.900" EndTime="1504.780" Participant="fe016"> |
| Another one just bit the dust. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1503.529" EndTime="1507.570" Participant="me013"> |
| yeah, nobody will remember how to repair a Jimbox or a Jimlet or a - you know, it's - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1504.110" EndTime="1504.850" Participant="me018"> |
| Really? |
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| I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> there's a problem with this one. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1506.352" EndTime="1506.800" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1507.570" EndTime="1510.579" Participant="me011"> |
| O_K. Then I will just go do that, and send the bill to - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1508.664" EndTime="1509.188" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1512.000" EndTime="1513.406" Participant="me011"> |
| uh, <Emphasis> what's-her-name. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1512.750" EndTime="1514.079" Participant="me013"> |
| Whoever will pay, yeah. |
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| Whoever will pay. <Emphasis> You. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1514.478" EndTime="1516.365" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah, yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1516.060" EndTime="1518.410" Participant="fe016"> |
| I have a quick question about microphones, um - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1518.410" EndTime="1518.795" Participant="fe016"> |
| I got - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1518.980" EndTime="1520.880" Participant="fe016"> |
| this crazy idea that, um, i- |
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| in the future, people |
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| will just walk around with |
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| <Segment StartTime="1524.633" EndTime="1527.532" Participant="fe016"> |
| the microphones that they use for their cell phones? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1527.532" EndTime="1528.998" Participant="fe016"> |
| You know, these little boom ones, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1529.430" EndTime="1534.640" Participant="fe016"> |
| like, and really go to meetings with close talking mikes. If they're their own personal microphone. |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <Comment Description="reaching into purse for her cell phone boom mike"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1534.900" EndTime="1535.816" Participant="fe016"> |
| And so I'm wondering if |
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| <Segment StartTime="1536.391" EndTime="1542.420" Participant="fe016"> |
| we can get a couple of tho- I don't know how good <Emphasis> quality </Emphasis> they are, but it would be really interesting to see if they're good <Emphasis> enough. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1541.800" EndTime="1544.900" Participant="me013"> |
| Do you mean the kind that hang from the ear, sort of thing, or the - |
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| The k- kind that guys that like to look like they're really cool at <Emphasis> airports </Emphasis> wear. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1543.850" EndTime="1544.477" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1546.730" EndTime="1547.880" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1547.163" EndTime="1550.474" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah, but I don't know <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> one. So what's that mean? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <Comment Description="unpackaging her cell phone boom mike"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1548.780" EndTime="1551.399" Participant="me011"> |
| This - it's - it's a cell phone jack. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1548.910" EndTime="1553.873" Participant="me018"> |
| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Oh, yeah, you do. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1549.683" EndTime="1552.180" Participant="fe016"> |
| You <Emphasis> can't </Emphasis> <Emphasis> miss </Emphasis> it. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1552.180" EndTime="1556.099" Participant="fe016"> |
| You cannot miss it. They're the guys going around - they're probably talking to nobody, but |
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| Is this - just this little - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1555.410" EndTime="1557.540" Participant="me013"> |
| Oh they - they have little headsets? Or what do they - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1555.596" EndTime="1556.127" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1556.002" EndTime="1557.163" Participant="me011"> |
| Th- d- |
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| <Segment StartTime="1556.824" EndTime="1558.210" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yes. They wear the heads- |
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| <Segment StartTime="1557.163" EndTime="1557.681" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| <Comment Description="holds up cell phone boom mike"/> |
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| <Comment Description="[fe008] holds up her cell phone boom mike"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1558.490" EndTime="1562.012" Participant="fe016"> |
| E- Well, <Emphasis> there </Emphasis> you go. Yes. That's - that - it looks sort of like <Emphasis> that. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1558.930" EndTime="1560.246" Participant="me013"> |
| Oh you've - you've <Emphasis> got </Emphasis> one. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1560.920" EndTime="1565.248" Participant="me011"> |
| Except that one's even bigger than most of the ones I've seen. Most of the ones are just a little boom. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1563.430" EndTime="1565.625" Participant="me013"> |
| So where - where does - how do you <Emphasis> wear </Emphasis> that? What does that - |
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| You - you put it over the corner of your ear. <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1568.670" EndTime="1570.269" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah, over the corner of the ear - |
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| I can't - I'm having competing microphone - <Emphasis> headphone </Emphasis> problems here. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1573.160" EndTime="1577.860" Participant="me018"> |
| There's <Emphasis> another </Emphasis> kind which s- goes <Emphasis> in </Emphasis> your ear and it hangs down. There's a little b- <Comment Description="unreleased bilabial merges with "bulb""/> <Pause/> bulb |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1573.652" EndTime="1574.145" Participant="me013"> |
| Huh. |
| </Segment> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1576.390" EndTime="1579.302" Participant="mn014"> |
| Yep. It just ha- just hangs down there. Yeah. |
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| Yeah, <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> I've seen. Yeah. |
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| that hangs - has the mike on it. |
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| O_K, so whatever people sort of |
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| This one. |
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| wear to use l- Yeah, something like tha- with their cell phones, |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1584.325" EndTime="1587.410" Participant="fe016"> |
| it'd be really great, I think, if we can argue t- that - |
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| It's an interesting idea. |
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| people <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> that. |
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| The <Emphasis> acoustics </Emphasis> - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1589.285" EndTime="1592.980" Participant="fe008"> |
| the acoustics on this are really s- m- <Emphasis> better </Emphasis> than when I talk into it directly. |
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| Yeah. The - the biggest issue is the stupid cable |
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| But - what - |
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| Are they? |
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| Why would it be cool? |
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| that Sony - |
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| The connector that Sony has, that, uh - |
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| Oh, O_K. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1598.550" EndTime="1600.454" Participant="fe016"> |
| So it's - they're not compatible? |
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| It's non-standard, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1600.495" EndTime="1603.320" Participant="me011"> |
| and so you can't just plug something in. You need to get it wired. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1602.740" EndTime="1606.828" Participant="me013"> |
| Oh, I'm sorry. You're talking about that as a possible thing to plug into the Sonys. No? |
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| <Segment StartTime="1605.330" EndTime="1606.003" Participant="fe016"> |
| Well, |
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| um, just as an example for, |
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| Right. |
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| How standard are these? |
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| Works with <Emphasis> this. </Emphasis> I don't know. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1609.600" EndTime="1614.436" Participant="fe016"> |
| you know, the future, of the fact that maybe people <Emphasis> will </Emphasis> wear those microphones, or <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> people might, <Comment Description="embedded"/> |
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| to meetings, you know. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1614.550" EndTime="1616.440" Participant="me013"> |
| Well, some people will, yeah. |
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| Not a - I'm not saying there's not a far-field microphone, |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1619.270" EndTime="1620.508" Participant="fe016"> |
| uh, application, but - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1621.320" EndTime="1624.225" Participant="fe016"> |
| If we have a choi- I've always wondered how well they would work. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1623.700" EndTime="1630.218" Participant="me018"> |
| It <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> an interesting idea. If we could build an <Emphasis> adaptor </Emphasis> that went from - cuz I think <Emphasis> mine </Emphasis> looks like this <Emphasis> too. </Emphasis> If we had <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> style plug that went to <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1629.675" EndTime="1630.408" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1630.218" EndTime="1632.700" Participant="me018"> |
| then we'd just have adaptors and people would plug <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> <Emphasis> in. </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1633.170" EndTime="1635.180" Participant="me018"> |
| You could use - they could use their own. <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1633.850" EndTime="1635.990" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh, right. So they could use the - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1634.070" EndTime="1636.855" Participant="me011"> |
| I wonder if you <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> do an adaptor. I don't know if you can or not. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1637.260" EndTime="1639.320" Participant="fe016"> |
| Anyway, it's just an idea. Um - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1638.380" EndTime="1638.827" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1639.507" EndTime="1643.067" Participant="me011"> |
| An adaptor might be a better idea than do- redoing the wiring all the time. |
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| <Uncertain> Mmm. </Uncertain> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1639.837" EndTime="1640.805" Participant="me013"> |
| Well, I mean, another s- |
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| An- another side to that is that, um, in <Emphasis> principle, </Emphasis> uh, if it |
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| all comes together, supposedly we're gonna get two |
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| um, I_RAM boards. |
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| Right. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1652.510" EndTime="1654.674" Participant="me013"> |
| Uh, little later on in the year. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1654.674" EndTime="1658.367" Participant="me013"> |
| And so, we're gonna wanna be thinking in terms of some |
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| wireless connection |
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| <Segment StartTime="1659.698" EndTime="1660.353" Participant="me011"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1660.037" EndTime="1660.600" Participant="me013"> |
| to it. |
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| Um, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1661.422" EndTime="1664.433" Participant="me013"> |
| so we have, you know, some kind of little something, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1664.433" EndTime="1668.718" Participant="me013"> |
| and, uh, we have a wireless connection, this board, that's doing the computation for the f- the, uh - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1669.524" EndTime="1670.441" Participant="me013"> |
| the recognition. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1670.441" EndTime="1672.995" Participant="me013"> |
| And so, you know, we wanna be able to show off to somebody, |
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| you know, we have a base station somewhere, and |
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| you're wandering around, uh, |
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| hands free, and - |
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| Yep. |
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| I don't understand. So - so there's a mike that plugs in - |
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| You're saying there's a mike that plugs in to the <Emphasis> I_RAM </Emphasis> board? or - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1683.669" EndTime="1689.004" Participant="me013"> |
| No, no, what I'm saying is that we're gonna have to put together <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> kind of a |
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| little superstructure, d- <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> sort of demo box that it - that doesn't |
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| Demo. |
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| do a whole lot, but it somehow connects <Emphasis> to </Emphasis> - |
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| uh, remotely <Emphasis> to </Emphasis> this I_RAM board which will be doing the real computation. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1700.850" EndTime="1702.200" Participant="me018"> |
| Oh, I see. |
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| In other words, we're - we're not gonna attempt to build, uh, it - |
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| do the real work of building a portable device that's little, that |
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| <Segment StartTime="1708.467" EndTime="1713.558" Participant="me013"> |
| is doing all the computation we wanna do for the recognition and the far-field mike, uh, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1713.558" EndTime="1717.732" Participant="me013"> |
| compensation and all that stuff. So we're gonna do all that on this powerful board, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1718.520" EndTime="1722.006" Participant="me013"> |
| and, uh, have some wireless connection to it. And then the question is what is - |
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| what does it look like, does it look like |
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| something that you - you |
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| hold like <Emphasis> this, </Emphasis> or do we make a big deal out of it that you hold it arm - at arm's length th- so that you can see some <Emphasis> display, </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1732.338" EndTime="1733.887" Participant="me013"> |
| or, uh, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1734.280" EndTime="1735.999" Participant="me013"> |
| do we <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> one of these - You know. I don't know. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1736.500" EndTime="1738.600" Participant="me013"> |
| So, it th- these are all possibilities. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1736.864" EndTime="1737.303" Participant="me011"> |
| Yep. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1737.902" EndTime="1742.171" Participant="me011"> |
| I mean, what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> was envisioning was a P_D_A with a cellular link in it. |
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| You know, with one of the r- |
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| short-range wireless. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1746.199" EndTime="1746.963" Participant="me011"> |
| And let th- |
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| <Segment StartTime="1746.963" EndTime="1750.258" Participant="me011"> |
| Just do - capture the audio on the P_D_A and send the audio over the |
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| wireless net. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1753.070" EndTime="1756.601" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. So, is- is <Emphasis> Bluetooth </Emphasis> the sort of thing that'd be, uh - |
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| <Segment StartTime="1753.665" EndTime="1754.069" Participant="me011"> |
| But. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1756.040" EndTime="1759.249" Participant="me011"> |
| Uh, Bluetooth is shorter range, but you could use Bluetooth. |
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| Wh- whatever the network guys already have hooked up for this floor. I don't remember what it's called. |
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| Hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1767.741" EndTime="1768.966" Participant="me011"> |
| <Pronounce Pronunciation=""kay""> O_K, </Pronounce> then uh, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1768.966" EndTime="1772.397" Participant="me011"> |
| another issue on file reorganization is, uh, |
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| making data available to people outside ICSI. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1775.433" EndTime="1777.737" Participant="me011"> |
| So, specifically, the U_<Emphasis> W </Emphasis> folks have been |
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| wanting to get <Emphasis> access </Emphasis> to it. So I think the right thing to do for that, is figure out how to do C_V_S without |
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| uh, compromising security. Some pass- S_S_H tunneled |
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| C_V_S, |
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| Well, I- I was - |
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| and then give them access. |
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| I was reading through some of the C_V_S documentation and you <Emphasis> can </Emphasis> just <Emphasis> substitute </Emphasis> C_V_S for your R_S_<Emphasis> H </Emphasis> command. |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1796.812" EndTime="1800.088" Participant="me011"> |
| Yes, except that the command has to <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> take a <Emphasis> password. </Emphasis> |
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| Hmm. |
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| Because it- it's non-interactive. And so the only way to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that is with, uh - |
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| <Emphasis> S_hosts </Emphasis>, which is insecure. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1809.269" EndTime="1809.774" Participant="me018"> |
| Hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1809.900" EndTime="1815.256" Participant="me011"> |
| So we <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> have to sort of <Emphasis> look </Emphasis> at it a little bit. I mean, I'm <Emphasis> sure </Emphasis> it's been <Emphasis> solved, </Emphasis> and I just haven't found the solution yet. |
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| But I am sure that people have done it because it's gonna be a problem a lot of people have. |
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| But, um - |
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| Who - Well, we're s- talking about a fairly limited group, are - are - is it a small enough group that they would - could just have accounts? Does that solve anything? |
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| Uh, n- n- |
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| <Segment StartTime="1828.967" EndTime="1832.160" Participant="me011"> |
| not <Emphasis> really, </Emphasis> because then we have the coordination issue. |
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| I mean, so <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> thing they could do - I mean, I guess that's true. <Comment Description="embedded"/> They could simply log in to ICSI |
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| <Segment StartTime="1837.331" EndTime="1837.904" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1837.400" EndTime="1838.746" Participant="me018"> |
| Well they're gonna have to have accounts - |
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| and do everything locally. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1839.510" EndTime="1841.570" Participant="me018"> |
| If they use S_S_H they have to have an account anyways. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1841.570" EndTime="1842.778" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, except they could share one. |
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| Well, but that's not - |
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| The, uh - |
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| the S_S_H accounts, and the |
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| user accounts don't have to be similar. |
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| So. |
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| I mean, there are lots of ways of doing it, but w- but |
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| if we can't figure out a remote way of doing it, just letting them log in to ICSI |
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| might be O_K. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1861.937" EndTime="1862.488" Participant="fe016"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1863.267" EndTime="1868.535" Participant="me011"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> So the intention was to put everything except the audio files themselves under revision control. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1869.040" EndTime="1873.733" Participant="me011"> |
| And the audio files, it's not worth doing cuz they're too big. You're never gonna be copying them around |
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| <Segment StartTime="1873.733" EndTime="1875.612" Participant="me011"> |
| and making working copies of them. |
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| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1876.890" EndTime="1877.378" Participant="me013"> |
| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1878.340" EndTime="1883.184" Participant="me011"> |
| And then the other issue Jane and I spoke of <Pause/> <Emphasis> briefly </Emphasis> is just general permission issues. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1883.184" EndTime="1887.816" Participant="me011"> |
| That right now, lots of people create the files and then we have group "Meeting Recorder". |
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| <Segment StartTime="1887.816" EndTime="1891.009" Participant="me011"> |
| But that means anyone in the Meeting Recorder <Emphasis> group </Emphasis> can overwrite the files. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1892.010" EndTime="1899.696" Participant="me011"> |
| And so that's a pretty coarse level of <Pause/> granularity. So we <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> wanna think about doing a Meeting Recorder user - <Emphasis> owner </Emphasis> |
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| for those files, and then doing group slightly differently. But - |
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| Can you just do, like, S_U_X or something to modify - |
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| I think what we have now - |
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| I mean, if you just have one user that - |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="1911.644" EndTime="1913.896" Participant="me011"> |
| Another option is to m- |
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| make a non- |
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| make it owned by a not real user, and then <Emphasis> root </Emphasis> will be able to do it. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1920.509" EndTime="1922.573" Participant="me011"> |
| But <Emphasis> root </Emphasis> is pretty tightly controlled here. |
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| I had another thought. <Comment Description="syntactically complete, but abandoned turn."/> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1923.780" EndTime="1925.671" Participant="me011"> |
| So th- I don't think that's a good solution. |
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| Would - w- would it be possi- There are scripts that uh, run, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1928.739" EndTime="1935.140" Participant="fe008"> |
| and - and when it's finished compressing, would it be possible for the script to change the permissions on the file to be more strict? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1935.321" EndTime="1936.430" Participant="fe008"> |
| Have <Pronounce Pronunciation=""em""> them </Pronounce> - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1935.908" EndTime="1939.816" Participant="me011"> |
| <Emphasis> Yes, </Emphasis> but if you do that, then someone who isn't the owner can't |
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| <Segment StartTime="1940.582" EndTime="1941.385" Participant="me011"> |
| <Emphasis> unchange </Emphasis> it. |
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| <Segment StartTime="1941.930" EndTime="1944.430" Participant="fe008"> |
| But after the meeting's done, would they want to? |
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| <Segment StartTime="1945.280" EndTime="1947.320" Participant="me011"> |
| Yeah, as I said, it's just a question of, |
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| <Segment StartTime="1947.935" EndTime="1950.564" Participant="me011"> |
| uh, do you wanna have to track down root |
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| <Segment StartTime="1950.564" EndTime="1952.327" Participant="me011"> |
| if you have to make any change. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1952.300" EndTime="1956.510" Participant="fe016"> |
| But it doesn't have to be root. It could be some other user that we all can S_U_X <Emphasis> to. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1956.632" EndTime="1957.319" Participant="fe008"> |
| That's true. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1958.026" EndTime="1959.646" Participant="me011"> |
| You have security issues with that. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1960.691" EndTime="1961.177" Participant="me011"> |
| So. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1960.950" EndTime="1961.753" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah, that's true. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1961.825" EndTime="1962.451" Participant="fe016"> |
| I mean - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1963.020" EndTime="1965.170" Participant="me018"> |
| That's what we do with doctor-speech though, right? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1965.092" EndTime="1966.747" Participant="me011"> |
| No, with doctor-speech, it's just a group. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1967.350" EndTime="1972.145" Participant="me011"> |
| So - there're lots of different owners of i- i- of the files, but the group is always doctor-speech. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1972.145" EndTime="1973.571" Participant="me011"> |
| Or real, usually. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1973.401" EndTime="1975.550" Participant="me018"> |
| But there is a <Emphasis> user </Emphasis> doctor-speech. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1976.440" EndTime="1977.120" Participant="me018"> |
| Right? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1977.720" EndTime="1982.020" Participant="me018"> |
| I mean, I - I S_U_X to doctor-speech w- when I need to make a - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1977.986" EndTime="1979.194" Participant="me011"> |
| Nnn- |
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| <Segment StartTime="1979.820" EndTime="1980.554" Participant="me011"> |
| Oh, <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> you? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1980.530" EndTime="1981.395" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh. So tha- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1981.395" EndTime="1983.120" Participant="fe016"> |
| that's what I meant, it - just some |
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| <Segment StartTime="1982.190" EndTime="1984.440" Participant="me018"> |
| a directory on, uh, one of the - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1983.347" EndTime="1985.043" Participant="fe016"> |
| user like "meeting-root" or something. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1985.043" EndTime="1986.030" Participant="fe016"> |
| <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1985.310" EndTime="1985.876" Participant="me011"> |
| Oh, O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1986.030" EndTime="1986.586" Participant="fe016"> |
| I don't know. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1990.740" EndTime="1993.217" Participant="me011"> |
| I mean, I'm not <Emphasis> too </Emphasis> worried, because the group's pretty small. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1994.240" EndTime="1994.597" Participant="me011"> |
| But - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1995.087" EndTime="1995.638" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="1996.850" EndTime="2001.676" Participant="fe008"> |
| Also it seems like once it's been stored that night, it's - it's possible to recover from backups, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2001.676" EndTime="2007.330" Participant="fe008"> |
| so that the main risk is avoiding it being accidentally deleted during the day that it was recorded. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2009.016" EndTime="2013.579" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, and just - You, then, also just have the general problem of permission on the other files, |
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| <Segment StartTime="2015.515" EndTime="2018.669" Participant="me011"> |
| that, do you want people checking out a transcript file |
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| <Segment StartTime="2016.960" EndTime="2018.572" Participant="me013"> |
| <VocalSound Description="cough"/> <VocalSound Description="sniff"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2018.669" EndTime="2020.171" Participant="me011"> |
| when they find an error, |
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| <Segment StartTime="2020.171" EndTime="2022.977" Participant="me011"> |
| and <Emphasis> correcting </Emphasis> it, or do they wa- do you want it to go through <Emphasis> you? </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2023.190" EndTime="2023.517" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2025.050" EndTime="2025.506" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2026.110" EndTime="2027.396" Participant="fe008"> |
| And I'd prefer it to go through me. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2027.820" EndTime="2033.354" Participant="me011"> |
| <Pronounce Pronunciation=""kay""> O_K, </Pronounce> but that means that you're gonna have to be <Emphasis> available </Emphasis> for people, <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the time, who say "there's an error here", |
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| <Segment StartTime="2033.354" EndTime="2036.050" Participant="me011"> |
| rather than just - them just going in and correcting it. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2034.752" EndTime="2035.531" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2035.531" EndTime="2037.259" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well I p- At <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> point - <Comment Description="abandons to overlap"/> Yeah. <Comment Description="to [me018] meaning "go ahead""/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2036.050" EndTime="2039.020" Participant="me018"> |
| Well, with C_V_S, though, you don't actually have to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> it that way. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2037.497" EndTime="2038.268" Participant="fe016"> |
| <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2038.610" EndTime="2039.218" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, but - |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2039.830" EndTime="2044.707" Participant="me011"> |
| You have a <Emphasis> choice. </Emphasis> Either you <Emphasis> let </Emphasis> people do it themselves, or you don't. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2040.780" EndTime="2041.257" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2043.294" EndTime="2044.294" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2044.284" EndTime="2049.650" Participant="me018"> |
| What I'm saying is that it can <Emphasis> be </Emphasis> the case that people can do it themselves <Emphasis> and </Emphasis> it can be reviewed. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2044.294" EndTime="2044.580" Participant="fe008"> |
| w- w- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2044.580" EndTime="2045.130" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well- <Comment Description="abandoned due to overlap"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2049.900" EndTime="2050.600" Participant="me018"> |
| Right? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2050.480" EndTime="2050.916" Participant="me011"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2050.830" EndTime="2053.580" Participant="me018"> |
| I mean, it's not like it's one or the other. We can do both. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2055.060" EndTime="2056.558" Participant="fe016"> |
| Yeah, you can - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2055.340" EndTime="2056.666" Participant="me011"> |
| Right, so you could get email. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2057.520" EndTime="2059.838" Participant="me011"> |
| Send email to Jane that someone has done a |
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| <Segment StartTime="2060.310" EndTime="2060.713" Participant="me018"> |
| Right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2060.720" EndTime="2061.252" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2061.252" EndTime="2063.032" Participant="fe008"> |
| I - I wanna <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> say that, you know, this is a - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2061.570" EndTime="2062.267" Participant="me011"> |
| revision. <Comment Description="continuation follows 2 sec. pause"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2063.032" EndTime="2068.974" Participant="fe008"> |
| uh, uh, My - my <Emphasis> view </Emphasis> on this is that once it's in a final <Emphasis> version </Emphasis> and I'm working <Emphasis> toward </Emphasis> all these being final <Emphasis> versions, </Emphasis> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2068.974" EndTime="2069.420" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2069.810" EndTime="2074.487" Participant="fe008"> |
| it can go into this next ro- this next realm. But it - it's sort of counter-productive to have |
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| <Segment StartTime="2074.487" EndTime="2079.380" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> changes </Emphasis> made which I would be <Emphasis> making </Emphasis> if I'd just gotten that far in the <Emphasis> file. </Emphasis> You know, it's - it's, um. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2078.790" EndTime="2080.636" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, so, you don't have to <Emphasis> release </Emphasis> it |
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| <Segment StartTime="2080.636" EndTime="2083.012" Participant="me011"> |
| to the <Emphasis> world </Emphasis> until you're <Emphasis> ready </Emphasis> to. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2080.710" EndTime="2081.198" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2082.740" EndTime="2083.389" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> right. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2083.267" EndTime="2084.847" Participant="me011"> |
| So the question is s- w- |
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| <Segment StartTime="2083.658" EndTime="2085.655" Participant="fe008"> |
| And then after <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> then this would probably work. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2085.655" EndTime="2086.042" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2085.800" EndTime="2090.623" Participant="me011"> |
| So you would keep it in a separate file structure until you were ready to put it in the repository. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2090.350" EndTime="2091.396" Participant="fe008"> |
| Good, good. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2091.719" EndTime="2092.890" Participant="fe016"> |
| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> I mean - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2092.500" EndTime="2093.835" Participant="me011"> |
| Or just keep the lock on it. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2092.890" EndTime="2095.650" Participant="fe016"> |
| Is C_V_S, like - Yeah, just keep the <Emphasis> lock </Emphasis> on. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2095.650" EndTime="2098.941" Participant="fe016"> |
| I mean, just check it out - check it out and don't let anyone check it out - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2096.140" EndTime="2096.989" Participant="me011"> |
| Until you're - Yep. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2098.290" EndTime="2100.484" Participant="me018"> |
| No, it does not - the <Pronounce Pronunciation=""Stee-vee-ess""> C_V_S </Pronounce> doesn't work that way. <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2098.941" EndTime="2099.735" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh, it - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2099.735" EndTime="2101.151" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh, it doesn't. Oh, O_K. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2100.484" EndTime="2104.733" Participant="me018"> |
| There's no - there's no lock when you check something out, not like R_C_S. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2104.733" EndTime="2107.560" Participant="me018"> |
| In other words, <Emphasis> everybody </Emphasis> can check out <Emphasis> anything. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2107.180" EndTime="2108.253" Participant="fe016"> |
| Oh. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2107.560" EndTime="2109.400" Participant="me018"> |
| The C_ stands for "concurrent". <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2108.253" EndTime="2111.829" Participant="fe016"> |
| So why not use R_C_S at that point? Just at that stage? |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2110.270" EndTime="2111.296" Participant="me011"> |
| Cuz it's not remote. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2113.686" EndTime="2114.870" Participant="fe016"> |
| It's not remote. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2114.990" EndTime="2118.170" Participant="me011"> |
| The nice thing about C_V_S is - is, you can be on a different machine. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2119.440" EndTime="2120.650" Participant="fe016"> |
| But at that point - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2120.750" EndTime="2125.351" Participant="fe016"> |
| we only <Emphasis> want, </Emphasis> probably, Jane to be in control <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> and she - I mean, it's just an i- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2124.570" EndTime="2126.171" Participant="me011"> |
| No, because U_W |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2126.540" EndTime="2129.024" Participant="me011"> |
| wants to have access to these <Emphasis> files. </Emphasis> That's the whole <Emphasis> point. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2129.130" EndTime="2131.110" Participant="fe016"> |
| But not to <Emphasis> modify </Emphasis> them, right? Just to <Emphasis> read </Emphasis> them. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2131.110" EndTime="2136.628" Participant="me011"> |
| Well, if they k- en- if they record a meeting, and they create a "key" file, and they find an error in their "key" file, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2137.060" EndTime="2139.046" Participant="me011"> |
| they shouldn't have to tell <Emphasis> us </Emphasis> about that |
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| <Segment StartTime="2139.046" EndTime="2140.353" Participant="me011"> |
| so that they can create - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2140.353" EndTime="2142.604" Participant="me011"> |
| correct an error in one of <Emphasis> their </Emphasis> <Emphasis> files. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2142.984" EndTime="2143.430" Participant="fe008"> |
| <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2143.430" EndTime="2144.465" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, the "<Emphasis> key </Emphasis>" file is - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2143.540" EndTime="2144.770" Participant="me011"> |
| So that's why I wanna do it - |
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| I don't <Emphasis> know, </Emphasis> uh - I mean - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2144.465" EndTime="2146.014" Participant="fe008"> |
| ke- "<Emphasis> key </Emphasis>" file's different. |
| </Segment> |
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| <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2146.539" EndTime="2147.375" Participant="fe008"> |
| "Key" fi- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2146.750" EndTime="2147.732" Participant="me011"> |
| Different than <Emphasis> what? </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2147.375" EndTime="2155.380" Participant="fe008"> |
| Well, "key" file has the extra attributes that if you notice that there are lots of spikes on channel so-and-so, it's useful as a repository for putting that there. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2155.650" EndTime="2163.737" Participant="fe008"> |
| And also if you notice that <Pause/> there was an extra speaker, and didn't get mentioned in the "key" file, but they were only there for a second, but it's t- useful to mention that they were there. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2163.737" EndTime="2167.560" Participant="fe008"> |
| So I th- I think that the "key" file is usefu- for notations related to the meeting, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2164.920" EndTime="2165.364" Participant="me011"> |
| Well - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2165.788" EndTime="2166.510" Participant="me011"> |
| B- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2167.114" EndTime="2171.420" Participant="me011"> |
| But, I mean, the meetings are gonna be the same <Emphasis> way. </Emphasis> So U_W records a meeting, we transcribe it. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2167.560" EndTime="2169.221" Participant="fe008"> |
| but it's <Emphasis> different </Emphasis> from the <Emphasis> transcript. </Emphasis> <Comment Description="voice raised due to overlap"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2171.460" EndTime="2171.866" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2172.610" EndTime="2176.076" Participant="me011"> |
| A few months later they listen to it and they say "Ope! <Comment Description="interjection, related to "oop""/> They got that acronym wrong." |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2177.140" EndTime="2177.600" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2177.547" EndTime="2178.857" Participant="me011"> |
| Why - why sh- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2177.600" EndTime="2180.100" Participant="fe016"> |
| Then they should send that through - Well - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2180.500" EndTime="2186.906" Participant="fe016"> |
| It's sort of not really a question about <Emphasis> permissions, </Emphasis> but more of <Emphasis> procedure. </Emphasis> <Emphasis> Either </Emphasis> those <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> go through <Emphasis> Jane, </Emphasis> or through <Emphasis> someone, </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2186.499" EndTime="2187.075" Participant="me011"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2187.093" EndTime="2189.150" Participant="fe016"> |
| or they <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> <Emphasis> don't. </Emphasis> But it's sort of - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2189.520" EndTime="2194.232" Participant="fe016"> |
| And if they all <Emphasis> do, </Emphasis> then there isn't a <Emphasis> problem, </Emphasis> right? Cuz once they give us the data, it's |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2194.810" EndTime="2197.866" Participant="fe016"> |
| <Emphasis> ours, </Emphasis> and if they wanna make changes - I mean, ours to sort of |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2198.269" EndTime="2199.808" Participant="fe016"> |
| transcribe and annotate. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2199.808" EndTime="2203.470" Participant="fe016"> |
| And if they wanna make <Emphasis> changes, </Emphasis> they can <Pause/> <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2199.825" EndTime="2204.311" Participant="me011"> |
| The - the p- the <Emphasis> point </Emphasis> here is that it would be <Emphasis> nice </Emphasis> t- for there to be <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> repository. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2204.554" EndTime="2205.713" Participant="fe008"> |
| Yeah. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2204.586" EndTime="2205.164" Participant="me013"> |
| Yeah <Comment Description="rising"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2205.150" EndTime="2207.936" Participant="me011"> |
| And if <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> don't <Emphasis> let </Emphasis> them modify their own <Emphasis> data, </Emphasis> <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2208.400" EndTime="2210.806" Participant="me011"> |
| they're not gonna <Emphasis> store </Emphasis> their data in our <Emphasis> repository. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2210.806" EndTime="2213.530" Participant="me011"> |
| Or if we make it <Emphasis> inconvenient </Emphasis> for them to change their data. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2213.530" EndTime="2215.013" Participant="fe016"> |
| So then if they do have acc- |
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| <Segment StartTime="2214.130" EndTime="2216.189" Participant="me011"> |
| I - I'm just looking at it the other way <Emphasis> around. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2215.013" EndTime="2216.187" Participant="fe016"> |
| O_K, so what if they have - |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2216.187" EndTime="2218.016" Participant="fe016"> |
| What if they have <Emphasis> accounts </Emphasis> here, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2216.189" EndTime="2217.248" Participant="me011"> |
| So - so let's say we k- |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2218.016" EndTime="2219.672" Participant="fe016"> |
| and they use R_C_S, |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2220.237" EndTime="2223.291" Participant="fe016"> |
| at that point, where you can l- really lock a file. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2224.350" EndTime="2228.030" Participant="fe016"> |
| I mean, I'm worried. If you can't lock a <Emphasis> file, </Emphasis> this - this to me sounds very <Emphasis> scary. </Emphasis> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2224.894" EndTime="2225.461" Participant="fe008"> |
| Hmm. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2228.430" EndTime="2228.877" Participant="fe016"> |
| Um - |
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| And if they have accounts here and they're <Emphasis> modifying </Emphasis> it - If they're ac- |
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| if they're so closely linked that they're actually |
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| <Emphasis> modifying </Emphasis> transcripts and "key" files, |
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| then they <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> do it |
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| by, you know, secure-shelling into ICSI, |
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| under R_C_S, at that point. |
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| Ye- well, I don't see a real difference between R_C_S and any <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> system. |
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| I mean, it's just mechanisms. The nice thing about C_V_S is that |
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| you can have multiple people modifying and if the changes don't <Emphasis> overlap </Emphasis> each other, |
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| they can just <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> it. |
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| Hmm. |
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| That's interesting. |
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| So the problem with <Emphasis> R_C_S </Emphasis> is that if two people |
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| Yeah. |
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| want to modify a file at the same <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> they <Emphasis> can't, </Emphasis> |
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| because the granularity of locking is at the file level. |
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| What- what does C_V_S do if they - if they <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> overlap? |
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| Uh, there're lots of different policies for dealing with it. So - |
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| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| But typically a person has to, |
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| Yeah. |
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| uh, mediate |
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| Oh. |
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| you know, which changes actually get - go through. |
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| Yeah, to decide which one is - Yeah. |
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| Oh. |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
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| Oh, I- |
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| So, maybe there <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> a way in C_V_S to <Emphasis> effectively </Emphasis> <Comment Description="rising intonation"/> |
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| <Emphasis> lock </Emphasis> something if you <Emphasis> don't </Emphasis> want people to make any changes? |
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| At the <Emphasis> repository </Emphasis> level, there <Emphasis> certainly </Emphasis> is. You can mark a file as - as "you can't check this out". |
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| Uh-huh. |
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| Oh. So - |
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| C_V_S is pretty good. |
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| So then you could use C_V_S |
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| and, you know, just f- have remote access, but then it's up to whoever |
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| O_K. <Comment Description="quietly"/> |
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| Yep. |
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| is, sort of, <Emphasis> responsible </Emphasis> for that level of <Emphasis> transcription </Emphasis> to decide |
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| <Emphasis> how </Emphasis> and <Emphasis> when </Emphasis> to put these locks, or - |
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| Well, it's - it's just like source code, right? |
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| So that, when you're developing it and it's really <Emphasis> rough, </Emphasis> you don't put it in the <Emphasis> repository. </Emphasis> |
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| Yeah. |
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| You wait to the point when you're ready to <Emphasis> release </Emphasis> it, and then you put it in the <Emphasis> repository </Emphasis> and if other people wanna - |
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| <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> |
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| Yeah, so the w- |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| In- |
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| The - Maybe the model - It's a little bit different in C_V_S. When you check something out, you actually create your own directory with copies of everything in it, and that's what you <Emphasis> work </Emphasis> on. |
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| Copy. <Comment Description="completing [me018]'s utterance"/> |
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| So, until you're ready to check it in, |
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| nobody sees anything you've done. And then when you check it in, it puts, sort of, you know - every change that you've done is - goes into the central - |
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| Right. |
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| So if that's at an- |
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| Hmm. |
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| I guess it depends on Jane's - Uh, you know, if that's - if that model <Emphasis> works </Emphasis> for the <Emphasis> transcripts, </Emphasis> then |
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| that's <Emphasis> fine. </Emphasis> But if that pr- |
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| <Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain> |
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| um, allows |
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| someone to come in and modify while <Emphasis> you're </Emphasis> modifying, and they turn out to be changes that, |
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| you know, would have been better to <Emphasis> wait </Emphasis> until your <Emphasis> version </Emphasis> came out, then |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> |
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| that's really up to <Emphasis> you, </Emphasis> not up to the <Emphasis> software, </Emphasis> so. |
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| Well, |
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| I also think, um, that the type of change ch- ch- varies an- I think it's a very good point. Because what if |
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| the - uh, what if <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> set of changes <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> person was making was |
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| with reference to some <Emphasis> typographical </Emphasis> convention. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| And the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> person n- unkn- n- |
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| quite unknowingly, was changing it the other way <Emphasis> around. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Then you could end up with a <Emphasis> real </Emphasis> <Emphasis> mess, </Emphasis> in terms of, like, consistency of conventions across a file, there <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> an argument to be made for having a single editor editing at that level. |
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| Well yeah, there would - there would have to be somebody to enforce the consistency. Yeah. |
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| But I like b- I like what Liz is saying about - |
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| That's right. And I also like - I l- also like Liz's uh, k- um, |
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| phraseology of "at this level of" - I don't remember how you put it, <Comment Description="embedded"/> but this - "at this level of transcription" or whatever. I mean it's like there are different layers of whatever and different <Emphasis> types </Emphasis> of conventions, |
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| and if it were an <Emphasis> acronym, </Emphasis> then I would - I think that it would make sense f- for them to |
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| have <Emphasis> input </Emphasis> <Emphasis> into </Emphasis> <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> level of things, but I wouldn't want them to be changing - |
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| I'm just - |
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| Imagine that we reverse this and <Emphasis> they </Emphasis> were keeping the repository and <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> were d- collecting meetings and <Emphasis> sending </Emphasis> them to them. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| If I found an error, |
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| and I sent them email and said "here's this error", and I didn't get a <Emphasis> response </Emphasis> for a couple weeks, |
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| I would stop sending them the - my data and I would start collecting it here and we would end up with two corpora. |
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| Well, yeah. |
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| And I <Emphasis> don't </Emphasis> want that to <Emphasis> happen. </Emphasis> So we have to make it <Emphasis> convenient </Emphasis> for them to make changes that they wanna <Emphasis> make. </Emphasis> |
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| I agree. |
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| Well - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="while smiling"/> |
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| Well, I see now, we're k- back into the same situation as when we were, |
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| uh, talking about a- allowing people to edit |
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| the transcripts before they <Comment Description="while laughing"/> become public. |
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| So there's a question of how easy or how hard to modify, and how that |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| impacts the amount of changing that's done. |
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| And I - I think that it's, um, |
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| I - I have received some suggestions for change, which I've <Emphasis> made. </Emphasis> |
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| And um, I think with an <Emphasis> acronym, </Emphasis> that's a clear case where it would be an <Emphasis> easy </Emphasis> change to incorporate. |
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| But it <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> <Emphasis> worry </Emphasis> me to have people, um, |
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| having free reign to change these things, because of the need to have consistent conventions. And <Pause/> people who |
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| are only just <Emphasis> visiting </Emphasis> the data might not have a sense of the larger system. |
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| Yeah, that's what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> would be worried about <Emphasis> too. </Emphasis> |
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| Well, I think - yeah, I think there are probably ways that you can say that, you know, only certain users are allowed to change |
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| Yeah. |
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| things. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Uh, so we can probably restrict it to be - |
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| You know, f- <Emphasis> casual </Emphasis> users who are just <Emphasis> browsing </Emphasis> can just r- get it read-only, can't check in to the archive. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Whereas we could say "other people", you know, "these people are allowed to actually submit changes". |
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| Right. |
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| I mean, |
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| I - I think <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> thing that's probably everybody would <Emphasis> agree </Emphasis> on is that |
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| there will never be a point where |
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| you know, we can say that for <Emphasis> sure </Emphasis> there's no problems with any of the transcripts. I mean there's, |
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| uh - f- You know, <Emphasis> something's </Emphasis> going to get overlooked at some point, or somebody's gonna wanna make a change <Emphasis> somehow. </Emphasis> So we need to |
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| have <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> mechanism for, |
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| um, handling changes in the <Emphasis> future. </Emphasis> |
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| I agr- I agree but I have to also add <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing which i- before I forget it, <Comment Description="embedded"/> which is |
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| <Emphasis> Adam's </Emphasis> point about when you were reviewing the I_B_M transcripts. |
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| u- This was mentioned at the beginning of the meeting. <Comment Description="embedded"/> |
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| You said that there were <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> places where <Pause/> it <Emphasis> wasn't </Emphasis> what y- was written <Emphasis> already, </Emphasis> but you could <Emphasis> see </Emphasis> how they might have thought that's what it <Emphasis> said. </Emphasis> |
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| So there - it's <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> just a right and <Emphasis> wrong </Emphasis> thing. <Emphasis> Sometimes </Emphasis> there tru- there are <Emphasis> absolutely </Emphasis> stretches where there <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> no - no - k- if you were at the meeting and you could <Emphasis> ask </Emphasis> the person, |
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| Yeah. Exactly. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2541.504" EndTime="2541.975" Participant="me018"> |
| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2541.578" EndTime="2545.774" Participant="fe008"> |
| <Emphasis> maybe, </Emphasis> m- you know, they could - they could've <Emphasis> told </Emphasis> you, but five minutes <Emphasis> later </Emphasis> they might not have been able to tell you, |
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| Right. |
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| even if they were <Emphasis> listening </Emphasis> to it. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2547.149" EndTime="2551.140" Participant="fe008"> |
| So, sometimes it isn't right and wrong, sometimes it's multiple interpretations, and - |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2550.970" EndTime="2552.160" Participant="me018"> |
| Good point. Yeah. |
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| Now - But of course, this <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> raise the <Emphasis> possibility </Emphasis> of <Emphasis> allowing, </Emphasis> |
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| um, an extra annotation for, you know, alternative interpretations of a stretch. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2559.317" EndTime="2561.948" Participant="fe008"> |
| But I just wanted to say it isn't simply right or wrong. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2561.800" EndTime="2563.380" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah, that's a good point. |
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| Or overlooked or not overlooked. |
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| Sometimes they're truly ambiguous, and |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2565.989" EndTime="2568.920" Participant="fe008"> |
| um, uh, um, nice to have a <Emphasis> notation </Emphasis> for that, but. Yeah. |
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| Gotta go. <Comment Description="whispered"/> <Comment Description="removes microphone"/> |
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| Yeah. |
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| I mean, I like that idea because even a casual user can always send <Emphasis> email </Emphasis> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| to whoever's in charge, and say, |
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| you know, "we'd like these changes" and, |
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| Well - |
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| you know, hopefully we'll give them a response. And if they really do it a <Emphasis> lot, </Emphasis> and they say |
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| I just - I don't s- |
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| I don't see that this is e- |
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| Yep. |
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| "we're a casual user but we want a chance to change the <Emphasis> transcripts </Emphasis>" then we can |
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| face that if it <Emphasis> happens, </Emphasis> but |
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| Can you write "unread" on that? <Comment Description="referring to [me013]'s digits form"/> |
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| Yeah, thank you. |
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| I don't really see the people at U_W that I <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> of right <Emphasis> now </Emphasis> making huge amoun- investing huge amounts of time in changing transcripts. But I could be wrong. |
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| Probably not <Emphasis> transcripts, </Emphasis> but it would be nice to have <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> mechanism for <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the files. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2601.251" EndTime="2603.473" Participant="me011"> |
| And they're <Emphasis> certainly </Emphasis> gonna wanna change <Emphasis> tools. </Emphasis> |
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| Yeah. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2604.610" EndTime="2607.916" Participant="me011"> |
| And so - you know, it's the same as source code. You - you release source code at some point. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2608.431" EndTime="2612.533" Participant="me011"> |
| And, either <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> have to do everything or you <Emphasis> share </Emphasis> responsibility. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| Yeah I mean a lot of the open source pro- |
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| projects face this same problem. |
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| Right. |
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| You know, p- <Emphasis> anybody </Emphasis> can check out the code, |
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| <Segment StartTime="2618.840" EndTime="2621.172" Participant="me018"> |
| but <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> everybody can check it in. <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain> |
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| Right. <Uncertain> And </Uncertain> there's some happy medium and we don't know what that <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> yet |
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| until we get feedback from people, but |
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| what <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> it's O_K to just handle it |
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| with |
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| sort of a <Emphasis> person </Emphasis> in <Emphasis> charge </Emphasis> of the <Emphasis> philosophy </Emphasis> behind the changes, |
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| and some people with permissions, |
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| maybe by <Emphasis> request, </Emphasis> to make changes, That we don't just give people permissions if they're not gonna make changes. Because <Emphasis> I've </Emphasis> overwritten a - |
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| a file by <Emphasis> mistake, </Emphasis> not <Emphasis> wanting </Emphasis> to have done that cuz I didn't think I had permission, when I <Emphasis> did. </Emphasis> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Um, and then just |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| seeing if that is enough to - |
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| to handle the transcript changes. |
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| I'm just worried about |
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| letting everybody go in and make <Emphasis> changes, </Emphasis> cuz it's real easy when you're |
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| <Segment StartTime="2661.884" EndTime="2667.803" Participant="fe016"> |
| trying to, I don't know, run alignments and there's a word you wanna fix, to go in and do that and then mess up <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> things, |
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| if you don't know, |
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| you know, the overall philosophy behind the - the conventions. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Right. |
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| <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> And als- it also- <Comment Description="abandoned due to overlap"/> Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2671.700" EndTime="2677.070" Participant="me018"> |
| Then - There is also the possibility - Remember, in C_V_S, when we talk about making changes, |
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| You can back everything out. <Comment Description="completing [me018]'s utterance"/> |
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| there's sort of two types that can be made. <Pause/> To your <Emphasis> local, </Emphasis> |
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| or to the <Emphasis> global. </Emphasis> |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2681.193" EndTime="2684.650" Participant="me018"> |
| And so people can make <Emphasis> changes </Emphasis> to their <Emphasis> local </Emphasis> and if they screw those up, |
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| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2684.360" EndTime="2685.144" Participant="fe016"> |
| Exactly. |
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| that's, you know, in their - that's only on them. It's w- it's the checking <Emphasis> in </Emphasis> part that r- we really care about, and |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> we can control with, you know, who can check things in and stuff. So we can - I think we can <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> this. |
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| Or just, yeah, start by make it a really tight control and then as people really need the control you can |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Yeah. They can still check it out - |
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| ascertain whether or not to - |
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| <Segment StartTime="2701.840" EndTime="2706.631" Participant="me018"> |
| Yeah, cuz they can still check out full copies and make whatever changes they want to their local copies. |
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| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2706.631" EndTime="2711.130" Participant="me018"> |
| And it won't affect the - the g- the global, official, ones at all. |
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| Right. |
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| <Segment StartTime="2710.700" EndTime="2713.647" Participant="me011"> |
| Right, but what I want to <Emphasis> avoid </Emphasis> is ending up with two corpora. |
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| Yeah. |
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| Yes. |
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| And so if you make it too hard for them to check back in, they'll check it out once, |
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| Definitely. <Comment Description="quietly"/> |
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| Yep. |
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| they'll make all the changes, they'll never tell <Emphasis> us </Emphasis> about the changes, |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| and we'll get two different corpora. |
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| Mm-hmm. |
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| Right? |
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| I think we're <Emphasis> already </Emphasis> gonna - I mean there's already |
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| <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> chance that different annotations, different |
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| places, you know - |
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| But you can |
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| <Emphasis> control </Emphasis> that by <Emphasis> knowing </Emphasis> you're making two corpora or <Emphasis> knowing </Emphasis> that you're adding |
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| um, annotations on one version and you don't have the latest corrections maybe at that <Emphasis> point. </Emphasis> And then you finish the project and you realize that there were |
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| <Emphasis> corrections </Emphasis> made on your <Emphasis> originals </Emphasis> and then |
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| you have to <Emphasis> merge </Emphasis> them. |
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| And the b- |
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| <Segment StartTime="2751.194" EndTime="2754.206" Participant="fe016"> |
| the <Emphasis> thing </Emphasis> that makes it ea- O_K to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that, is |
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| knowing where the synch time boundaries are. |
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| Cuz you can automatically pretty much <Emphasis> merge </Emphasis> things if you've only got twenty words or so in an utterance. It's when you get the whole <Emphasis> meeting </Emphasis> |
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| and the <Emphasis> synch </Emphasis> times ch- |
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| have changed, or you can't correspond to a previous version with synch times, that you get in trouble. |
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| So. |
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| Was there anything else on your list? |
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| Nope. |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2781.830" EndTime="2782.997" Participant="me011"> |
| Shall we do some digits? |
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| <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> |
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| Uh, Transcript L_ one one six. <Comment Description="Digits"/> |
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| Now, wait, are - are we doing them simultaneously or one at a time? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Alright. |
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| I wasn't <Emphasis> planning </Emphasis> on doing it simultaneously. <Comment Description="rise-fall-rise intonation"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2791.860" EndTime="2796.622" Participant="me018"> |
| <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Uncertain> Lee </Uncertain>, you liked that l- huh? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> |
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| <Segment StartTime="2953.240" EndTime="2958.109" Participant="mn014" DigitTask="true"> |
| two zero <Pronounce> seven </Pronounce> two, six zero, six zero, six seven, four two <Comment Description="Digits"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2958.583" EndTime="2964.214" Participant="mn014" DigitTask="true"> |
| three, five two four, zero six, six O_ two, eight <Comment Description="Digits"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2965.015" EndTime="2968.710" Participant="mn014" DigitTask="true"> |
| three eight two, two seven, one nine nine six. <Comment Description="Digits"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2973.097" EndTime="2975.133" Participant="me011"> |
| <NonVocalSound Description="noise"/> Oop! <Comment Description="interjection"/> Ouch! <Comment Description="interjection"/> |
| </Segment> |
| <Segment StartTime="2975.250" EndTime="2976.170" Participant="fe008"> |
| Ooo! <Comment Description="probably reacting to [me011]'s injury"/> |
| </Segment> |
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| </Transcript> |
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| </Meeting> |
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