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      Oh.
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      So, uh -
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      Alright.
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      Um, so I wanted to discuss digits briefly,
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      Oh good.
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      but that won't take too long.
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      Right.
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      O_K, agenda items,
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      Uh, we have digits,
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      What else we got?
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      New version of the presegmentation.
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      New version of presegmentation.
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      Um,
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      do we wanna say something about the,
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      Yeah, why don't you summarize the -
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      an update of the, uh, transcript?
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      Update on transcripts.
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      And I guess that includes some -
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      the filtering for the,
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      the A_S_I refs, too.
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      Mmm.
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      Filtering for what?
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      For the references that we need to go from the -
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      the <Pause/> <Emphasis> fancy </Emphasis> transcripts to the sort of <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <Emphasis> brain-dead. </Emphasis>
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      It'll - it'll be - basically it'll be a re-cap of a meeting that we had jointly this morning.
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      Uh-huh.
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      With Don, as well.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Got it.
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      Anything else more pressing than those things? So -
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      So, why don't we just do those. You said yours was brief, so -
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      O_K.
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      O_K well, the, w- uh
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      as you can see from the numbers on the digits we're almost done.
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      The digits goes up to <Pause/> about four thousand.
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      Um,
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      and so, uh,
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      we probably will be done with the T_I-digits in,
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      um, another couple weeks.
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      um, depending on how many we read each time.
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      So there were a bunch that we skipped.
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      You know, someone fills out the form and then they're not at the meeting and so it's blank.
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      Um, but those are almost all filled in as well.
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      And so, once we're - it's <Emphasis> done </Emphasis> it would be very nice to train up a recognizer and actually start working with this data.
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      So we'll have a corpus that's the size of T_I-digits?
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      And so -
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      One particular test set of T_I-digits.
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      Test set, O_K.
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      So, I - I extracted,
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      Ther- there was a file sitting around which people have used here as a test set.
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      It had been randomized and so on and that's just what I used to generate the order.
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      Oh! Great.
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      of these particular ones.
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      Great.
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      Um -
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      So, I'm impressed by what we could do,
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      Is take the standard training set for T_I-digits, train up with whatever, you know,
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      great features we think we have, uh for instance,
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      And presumably uh it should do reasonably well on that, and then, presumably, we should go to the distant mike, and it should do poorly.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      And then we should get really smart over the next year or two, and it - that should get better.
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      And inc- increase it by one or two percent, yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah,
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      Yeah.
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      Um, but,
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      in order to do that we need to extract out the actual digits.
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      Right.
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      Um,
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      so that - the reason it's not just a transcript is that there're false starts, and misreads, and miscues and things like that.
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      And so I have a set of scripts and X_Waves where you just select the portion,
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      hit R_,
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      um, it tells you what the next one should be,
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      and you just look for that.
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      You know, so it - it'll put on the screen,
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      I don't remember. I mean, very good, right?
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      Not after lunch.
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      O_K, so, um,
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      what I'll do then is I'll go ahead and enter,
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      And then, hand off to Jane,
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      and the transcribers to do the actual extraction of the digits.
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      Yeah.
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      One question I have that -
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      do some guessing, but I was talking before about doing some model- modeling of arti- uh,
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      um,
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      uh, and so forth. The only thing is I'm a little concerned that maybe the <Emphasis> kind </Emphasis> of phenomena,
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      uh, isn't right.
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      It s- strikes me that there are more - each of them is more informative because it's so,
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      random, and that people might articulate more, and you that might end up with more - a closer correspondence.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah - that's - I - I agree. That - it's just -
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      Sort of less predictability, and -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah.
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      Well it's definitely true that, when people are,
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      even if they're re-reading what,
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      they had said spontaneously, that they have very different patterns. Mitch showed that, and some,
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      Right.
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      dissertations have shown that.
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      Yeah.
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      And,
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      See, I don't know. So, may- maybe the thing will be do - to take some very small subset,
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      Um, just take a look.
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      Really.
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      That could - could be an interesting design, too, cuz then you'd have the com- the comparison of the,
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      Hey.
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      uh, predictable speech versus the less predictable speech and maybe you'd find that it worked in,
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      in the,
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      Hafta think about,
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      the particular acoustic features to mark, too, because,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I mean, <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> things,
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      uh,
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      you know, uh, tense lax.
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      You know,
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      M- I think we can get Ohala in to,
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      Well.
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      Also I thought you were thinking of a much more restricted set of features, that -
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      Yeah, but I - I - I - I was,
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      Yeah, sure.
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      Sure.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      But I mean you want - you want it be restrictive but you also want it to - to - to have coverage.
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      You know i- you should.
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      It would seem to me that the points of articulation would be m- more,
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      g- uh, I mean that's - I think about articulatory features, I think about,
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      <Emphasis> Points </Emphasis> of articulation? What do you mean?
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      O_K.
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      O_K, I see.
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      O_K we got our jargon then, O_K.
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      Uh.
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      I actually think that data should be used more. That maybe,
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      the gestural features, then,
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      Because that really wasn't what it look like. It didn't look like a sequence of phones it look like this blending thing happening here and here and here.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      Yeah, so you have this feature here, and,
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      There was no <Emphasis> name </Emphasis> for that.
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      Yeah.
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      But -
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      overlap, yeah.
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      Right. But it still is - there's a -
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      Yeah.
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      there are two steps. One -
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      you know, one is going from a dictionary pronunciation of something,
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      And -
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      like,
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      "gonna see you tomorrow", it could be "going to" or "gonna" or "<Uncertain> gonta </Uncertain> s-" you know.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      Or "<Uncertain> gonta </Uncertain>". <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      And,
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      "Gonna see you tomorrow", uh,
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      And,
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      that it would be nice to have these,
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      intermediate, or these - some - these reduced pronunciations that those transcribers had marked or to have people mark those as well.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Because, it's not,
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      um,
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      to the gestural one without this intermediate or a syllable level kind of,
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      Well I don't think Morgan's suggesting that we <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that, though.
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      Do you mean,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah, I mean, I- I- I'm jus- at the moment of course we're just talking about what,
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      to provide as a tool for people to do research who have different ideas about how to do it.
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      So for instance,
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      And someone else,
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      So I think it would be - be best to have all of it if we could.
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      But <Pause/> um,
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      What I'm imagining is a score-like notation,
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      Yeah.
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      where each line is a particular <Emphasis> feature. </Emphasis>
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      Right, so you would say, you know, it's voiced through here, and so you have label here, and you have nas- nasal here, and,
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      Yeah.
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      they - they could be overlapping in all sorts of bizarre ways that don't correspond to the timing on phones.
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      I mean this is the kind of reason why - I remember when at one of the Switchboard,
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      workshops, that uh when we <Emphasis> talked </Emphasis> about doing the transcription project,
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      Dave Talkin said, "can't be done".
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      Right.
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      He was - he was, what - what he meant was that this isn't,
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      you know, a sequence of phones, and when you actually look at Switchboard that's,
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      not what you see, and, you know.
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      And in - in fact the inter-annotator <Emphasis> agreement </Emphasis> was not that good, right?
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      And.
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      On the harder ones?
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      It, yeah I mean it was-
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      It depends how you look at it, and I - I understand what you're saying about this,
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      Yeah.
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      kind of transcription exactly, because I've seen - you know, where does the voicing bar start and so forth.
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      Yeah.
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      All I'm saying is that,
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      it is useful to have that -
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      the transcription of what was <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> said, and which syllables were reduced.
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      Uh, if you're gonna add the features it's also useful to have some level of representation which is,
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      is a reduced -
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      it's a pronunciation variant,
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      that currently the dictionaries don't give you because if you add them to the dictionary and you run recognition, you,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Right.
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      you add confusion.
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      So people purposely don't add them.
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      Right.
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      So it's useful to know which variant was -
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      was produced, at least at the phone level.
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      So it would be - it would be great if we had,
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      either these kind of,
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      labelings on,
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      the same portion of Switchboard that Steve marked, or,
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      Steve's type markings on this data,
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      Right.
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      That's all, <Uncertain> I mean </Uncertain>.
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      Exactly.
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      with these.
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      Yeah.
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      Exactly.
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      Yeah, no I - I don't disagree with that.
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      And Steve's type is fairly - it's not that slow,
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      uh, I dunno exactly what the,
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      Yeah u- I don't disagree with it the on- the only thing is that,
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      What you actually will end - en- end up with is something,
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      But it's - it's the best <Emphasis> compromise </Emphasis> that a group of people scratching their heads could come up with to describe what happened.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And it's more accurate than,
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      But.
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      And it's more accurate than the - than the dictionary or,
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      <Emphasis> phone </Emphasis> labels.
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      The word. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah.
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      if you've got a pronunciation uh lexicon that has three or four, this might be have been the fifth one that you <Uncertain> tr- </Uncertain> that you pruned or whatever, so sure.
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      So it's like a continuum. It's - you're going all the way down, yeah.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      That's what I meant is - an- and in some places it would fill in,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Well -
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      So there are some things that you don't have access to either from your ear <Emphasis> or </Emphasis> the spectrogram,
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      Right.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      but you know what phone it was and that's about all you can -
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      all you can say. And then there are <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> cases where,
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      It's basically just having,
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      multiple levels of -
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> Right.
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      of,
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      information and marking,
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      Right. <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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      Well the other difference is that the - the <Emphasis> features, </Emphasis>
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      are not synchronous, right. They overlap each other in weird ways.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      So it's not a strictly one-dimensional signal.
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      Right.
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      So I think that's sorta qualitatively different.
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      Right. You can add the features in,
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      uh, but it'll be underspecified. Th- <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;thell&quot;"> there'll  </Pronounce> be no way for you to actually mark what was said completely by features.
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      Hmm.
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      Well not with our current system but you could imagine designing a system,
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      that the states were features, rather than phones.
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      Well,
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      That's -
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      um,
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      discussion of, uh - of whether you can do that.
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      Well, <Pause/> isn't that - I thought that was,
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      Yeah, so I mean, what,
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      what - where this is, I mean,
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      I- I want- would like to have something that's useful to people other than those who are doing the specific kind of research I have in mind,
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      so it should be something broader. But,
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      uh, <Uncertain> John Dalan </Uncertain> and <Uncertain> Muzim Rahim </Uncertain> in which, uh, they,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      That's actually what I was thinking, is <Uncertain> tha- </Uncertain> - the problem is when you <Emphasis> run, </Emphasis>
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      So, I mean another way to look at this is to,
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      And I'm - and these people might - they - they are, s-
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      Anyway, this is,
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      not an urgent thing at all, just it came up.
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      It'd be very interesting though, to have <Pause/> that data.
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      Yeah.
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      I wonder, how would you do a forced alignment?
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      I think so, too.
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      Might -
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Interesting idea.
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      To - to - I mean, you'd wanna iterate, somehow.
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      Yeah. It's interesting thing to think about.
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      It might be -
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      Hmm.
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      I was thinking it might be n-
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      I mean you'd - you'd want models for spreading.
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      Of the f- acoustic features?
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah.
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      Well it might be neat to do some,
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      phonetic,
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      features on these,
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      <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;non..*word&quot;"> nonword  </Pronounce> words. <Comment Description="rising"/> Are - are these kinds of words that people never - the "huh"s and the "hmm"s and the "huh-" <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      and the uh - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      These k- No, I'm <Emphasis> serious. </Emphasis> There are all these kinds of <Pause/> functional,
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      uh, elements. I don't know what you call <Pause/> them.
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      But not just fill pauses but all kinds of ways of <Pause/> interrupting <Comment Description="while laughing"/> and so forth.
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      Uh-huh.
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      And some of them are, <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> yeah, "uh-huh"s, and "hmm"s, and,
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      "hmm!"
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      Grunts, uh, <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> might be interesting.
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      He's got lip - <Pause/> lipsmacks.
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      In the meetings.
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      We should move on.
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      Yeah.
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      Uh,
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      new version of, uh, presegmentation?
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      Uh, oh yeah, um,
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      I worked a little bit on the - on the presegmentation to - to get another version which does channel-specific, uh, speech-nonspeech detection.
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      And, what I did is I used some normalized features which, uh, look in- into the - which is normalized energy, uh,
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      energy normalized by the mean over the channels and by the,
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      minimum over the, <Uncertain> other </Uncertain>.
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      within each channel.
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      And to - to, mm,
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      to, yeah, to normalize also loudness and - and modified loudness and things and that those special features <Uncertain> actually </Uncertain> are in my feature vector.
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      Oh.
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      And, and,
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      therefore to be able to, uh, somewhat distinguish between foreground and background speech in - in the different - in - each channel.
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      And,
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      eh, I tested it on - on three or four meetings and it seems to work, well yeah, fairly well, I - I would say.
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      There are some problems with the lapel mike.
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      Of course. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Uh, yeah.
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      Wow that's great.
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      And.
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      So I - I understand that's what you were saying about your problem with,
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      Yeah.
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      minimum.
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      And.
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      Yeah, and - and I had - I had, uh, specific problems with.
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      I get it.
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      So new- use ninetieth quartile, rather than,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      minimum.
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      Wow.
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      Yeah - yeah, then - I - I did some - some - some things like that,
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      as there - there are some - some problems in,
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      Then,
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      yeah, there are - there are some problems with - with - with n- with normalization, and,
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      then, uh, there the system doesn't work at all.
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      So, I'm - I'm glad that there is the - the digit part, where everybody is forced to say something,
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      Right.
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      so,
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      that's - that's great for - for my purpose.
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      And,
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      the thing is I - I,
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      then the evaluation of - of the system is a little bit hard, as I don't have any references.
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      Well we did the hand - the one by hand.
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      Yeah, that's the one - one wh- where I do the training on so I can't do the evaluation on
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      So the thing is, can the transcribers perhaps do some,
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      Uh.
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      some - some meetings in - in terms of speech-nonspeech in - in the specific channels?
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      Well won't you have that from their transcriptions?
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      Well, I have -
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      Well, O_K, so, now we need - so, um,
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      No, cuz we need is really tight.
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      Yeah.
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      I think I might have done what you're requesting, though I did it in the service of a different thing.
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      Oh, great.
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      I have thirty minutes that I've more tightly transcribed with reference to individual channels.
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      O_K.
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      O_K, that's great.
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      That's great for me. Yeah, so.
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      And I could - And -
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      Hopefully that's not the same meeting that we did. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      And -
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      No, actually it's a different meeting.
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      Good.
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      So, um, e- so the, you know, we have the,
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      O_K.
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      th- they transcribe as if it's one channel with these - with the slashes to separate the overlapping parts. And <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> we run it through - then it - then I'm gonna edit it and I'm gonna run it through channelize which takes it into Dave Gelbart's form- format. And then you have,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      all these things split across according to channel, and then that means that,
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      overlap during that time bend that -
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      that two parts of the utterance end up together, it's the same channel,
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      and then I took his tool, and last night for the first thirty minutes of
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      O_K.
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      one of these transcripts, I,
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      tightened up the, um,
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      boundaries on individual speakers' channels, cuz his - his interface <Emphasis> allows </Emphasis> me to have total flexibility in the time tags across the channels.
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      O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      And <Pause/> um,
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      So, current -
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      so, yeah - yeah, that - that - that's great, but what <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> be nice to have some more meetings, not just one meeting to - to be sure that - that,
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      so.
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      Yes.
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      Might not be what you need.
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      there is a system,
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      Yeah, so if we could get a couple meetings done with that level of precision I think that would be a good idea.
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      O_K.
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      Oh, O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      Uh, how - how m- much time - so the meetings vary in length, what are we talking about in terms of the number of minutes you'd like to have as your - as your training set?
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      It seems to me <Uncertain> that </Uncertain> it <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> be good to have,
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      a few minutes from - from different meetings, so.
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      But I'm not sure about how much.
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      O_K, now you're saying different meetings because of different <Emphasis> speakers </Emphasis> or because of different <Emphasis> audio </Emphasis> quality or <Emphasis> both </Emphasis> or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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      Both - both. Different - different number of speakers, different speakers, different <Pause/> conditions.
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      O_K.
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      Yeah, we don't have that much variety in meetings yet, uh, I mean we have this
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      meeting and the feature meeting and we have a couple others that we have uh,
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      Yeah, m-
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      couple examples of.
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      But -
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      but, uh,
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      Even probably with the gains <Pause/> differently will affect it, you mean -
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      Uh, not really as - uh, because of the normalization, yeah. Yeah.
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      Poten- potentially.
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      Oh, cuz <Uncertain> you </Uncertain> use the normalization? O_K.
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      Oh, O_K.
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      We can try running - we haven't done this yet because,
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      uh, Andreas an- is - is gonna move over the S_R_I recognizer. i- basically I ran out of machines at S_R_I,
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      cuz we're running the evals <Comment Description="meaning &quot;evaluations&quot;"/> and I just don't have machine time there.
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      O_K.
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      But, once that's moved over,
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      uh, hopefully in a -
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      a couple days,
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      then, we can take,
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      um,
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      what Jane just told us about as,
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      Oh, shoot! <Comment Description="interjection"/>
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      the - the segmentations that you did,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      at level eight or som- <Comment Description="while laughing"/> at some,
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      The pre- presegment- <Pause/> yeah.
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      threshold that Jane,
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      Yeah.
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      tha- <Pause/> right,
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      and try doing,
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      forced alignment.
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      um,
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      With the recognizer? Yeah.
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      on the word strings. And <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> it's good, then that will - that may give you a good boundary. Of course if it's good, we don't -
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      then we're - we're fine, but,
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      Yeah. M-
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      I don't know yet whether these,
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      I -
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      will work or not.
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      I would quite like to have some manually transcribed references for - for the system, as I'm not sure if - if it's really good to compare with - with some other automatic,
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      found boundaries.
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      Well, no, if we were to start with this and then tweak it h- manually, would that - that would be O_K?
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      Yeah <Pause/> sure.
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      They might be O_K. It - you know it really depends on a lot of things, but,
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      O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      I would have maybe a transcriber,
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      uh, look at the result of a forced alignment and then adjust those. That might save some time.
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      Yeah.
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      To a- adjust them, or, yeah.
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      Yeah, yeah.
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      If they're horrible it won't help at all, but they might not be horrible.
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      Yeah, great.
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      Yeah.
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      So - but I'll let you know when we,
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      O_K, great.
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      uh, have that.
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      How many minutes would you want from - I mean, we could <Pause/> easily,
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      get a section, you know, like say a minute or so, from every meeting that we have so f- from the newer ones that we're working on,
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      everyone that we have.
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      And then,
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      If it's not the <Emphasis> first </Emphasis> minute of - of the meeting, that - that's O_K with me, but, in - in the first minute, uh,
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      well, for, which - which aren't re- re- really good.
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      So.
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      What - what I'd quite like, perhaps, is,
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      Somewhere <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> in the very beginning, five minutes, O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      And, then I wanted to ask you just for my inter- information, then,
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      cuz I don't quite unders- so, would you be training then,
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      it could, on the basis of that, segment the rest of the meeting?
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      So, if I give you like <Pause/> five minutes is the idea that this would then be applied to,
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      uh, to,
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      I - I could do a - a retraining with that, yeah.
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      That's - but - but I hope that I - I don't <Emphasis> need </Emphasis> to do it.
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      O_K.
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      So, uh it c- can be do in an unsupervised way.
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      Uh-huh.
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      Excellent. <Emphasis> Excellent, </Emphasis> O_K.
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      So.
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      I'm - I'm not sure,
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      but, for - for - for those three meetings whi- which I - which I did,
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      there are some - some - as I said some problems with the lapel mike, but,
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      And.
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      Yeah. That's - that's what I - that's my <Pause/> future work. Well - well what I want to do is to - to look into cross-correlations for - for removing those,
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      Wonderful.
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      Are the, um, wireless,
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      I'm - I'm not sure, um,
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      if - if there are any wired mikes in those meetings, or, uh, I have - have to loo- have a look at them but, I'm - I'm - I think there's no difference between,
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      So it's just the lapel versus everything else?
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      O_K, so then, if that's five minutes per meeting we've got like twelve minutes,
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      roughly, that I'm - that I've been working with, then -
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      Of - of - of the meetings that you're working with, how many of them are different,
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      No.
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      tha- are there any of them that are different than,
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      Well - oh wa- in terms of the speakers or the conditions or the?
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      Yeah, speakers. Sorry. So.
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      Um,
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      Yeah, that -
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      we have different combinations of speakers. I mean, just from what I've seen, uh, there are some where,
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      you're present or not present, and,
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      Yeah, I know, some of the N_S_A meetings, yeah.
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      Yeah. So I didn't know in the group you had if you had - so you have the networks meeting?
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      Yep, we do.
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      Yeah.
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      Do you have any of Jerry's meetings in your,
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      Um, no.
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      No?
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      We <Emphasis> could, </Emphasis> I mean you - you recorded one last week or so. I could get that new one in this week - I get that new one in.
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      Yep.
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      This week.
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      We're gonna be recording them every <Pause/> Monday,
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      u-
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      Yeah.
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      Cuz I think he really needs variety, and - and having as much variety for speaker certainly would be a big part of that I think.
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      so -
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      Great.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      O_K, so if I,
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      O_K, then, uh, if I were to include all together samples from twelve meetings that would only take an hour and I could get the transcribers to do that right - I mean, what I mean is,
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      that would be an hour <Emphasis> sampled, </Emphasis> and then they'd transcribe those - that hour, right? That's what I should do?
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      Yeah.
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      And.
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      Right. Ye- But you're - y-
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      I don't mean transcribe I mean - I mean adjust. So they get it into the multi-channel format and then adjust the timebands so it's precise.
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      So that should be faster than the ten times kind of thing, yeah.
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      Absolutely. I did - I did, um,
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      uh,
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      well, last night, I did about half an hour in,
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      Yeah.
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      which is not,
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      Yeah. Well, that's probably.
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      anyway, it's an hour and a half per -
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      So.
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      m- m- I was about to need to assign a new meeting and I was going to take it from one of the new ones, and I could easily give them Jerry Feldman's meeting, no problem.
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      There - the first - the first half.
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      We funded the experiment with, uh - also we were thinking maybe applying that that to getting the,
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      Liz, and - and Don, and I met this morning,
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      I run it through, uh, the channelize program to get it into the multi-channel format,
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      O_K.
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      with just,
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      So, that's - that's what we were discussing,
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      Among - also we discussed some adaptational things, so it's like,
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      ready - you know, as soon as that's ready, and as soon as the recognizer is here we can get,
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      And, you know,
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      start,
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      working on it, so we're,
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      I dunno a coup- a week or two away I would say from,
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      uh, if - if that process is automatic once we get your post-process,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And that doesn't - the amount of editing that it would require is not very much either. I'm just <Emphasis> hoping </Emphasis> that the units that are provided in that way,
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      will be sufficient cuz I would save a lot of, uh,
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      time,
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      dividing things.
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      Yeah, some of them are quite long.
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      Just from - I dunno how long were - you did one?
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      I saw a couple, <VocalSound Description="clear throat"/> around twenty seconds,
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      and that was just without looking too hard for it, so,
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      Right.
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      Well n-
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      I would imagine that there might be some that are longer.
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      One question, e- w- would that be a single speaker or is that multiple speakers overlapping?
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      No.
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      No, but if we're gonna segment it, like if there's one speaker in there,
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      that says "O_K" or something,
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      right in the middle, it's gonna have a lot of dead time <Emphasis> around </Emphasis> it, so it's not -
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      Right. It's not the -
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      it's not the fact that we can't process a twenty second segment, it's the fact that,
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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      You know, if -
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      Yeah.
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      if someone has a very short utterance there, and that's where,
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      might wanna have this individual, you know,
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      Yep.
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      ha- have your pre- pre-process input.
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      Yeah.
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      Sure.
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      I - I - I thought that perhaps the transcribers could start then from the - those mult- multi-channel,
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      And I just don't know, I have to run it.
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      That's very important.
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      uh, speech-nonspeech detections, if they would like to.
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      Right.
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      In - in doing the hand-marking? Yeah that's what I was thinking, too.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      So that's probably what will happen, but we'll try it this way and see.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      I mean it's probably good enough for force-alignment.
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      uh, but for free recognition I'm - it'll probably not be good enough. We'll probably get lots of errors because of the cross-talk, and,
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      Yep.
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      noises and things.
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      Good <Pause/> s- I think that's
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      Oh I wanted to ask one thing,
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      Yeah?
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      the microphones - the new microphones, when do we get, uh?
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      Uh, they said it would take about a week.
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      Oh, exciting.
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      K_.
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      K_.
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      You ordered <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;em&quot;"> them  </Pronounce> already?
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Great.
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      So what happens to our old microphones?
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      They go where old microphones go.
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      Um -
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      Do we give them to someone, <Pause/> or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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      Well the only thing we're gonna have extra,
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      We don't have more <Emphasis> receivers, </Emphasis> we just have -
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      for now,
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    <Segment StartTime="2520.131" EndTime="2523.132" Participant="me011">
      Right, we don- so the only thing we'll have extra now is just the lapel.
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      Right.
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      Not - not the,
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      Just the lapel itself.
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      Um, and then one of the - one of those.
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      Since, what I decided to do, on Morgan's suggestion, was just get two,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And then, if we <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> them we'll get more.
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      O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      Since they're - they're like two hundred bucks a piece, we won't, uh,
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      So it's a replacement for this headset mike?
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      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="2545.913" EndTime="2546.212" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
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      Yeah.
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      And they're gonna do the wiring for us.
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      What's the, um, style of the headset?
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      It's, um,
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    <Segment StartTime="2552.430" EndTime="2556.555" Participant="me011">
      it's by Crown, and it's one of these sort of mount around the ear thingies,
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    <Segment StartTime="2557.650" EndTime="2562.472" Participant="me011">
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      And this is how apparently a lot of people are getting around it.
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      Hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2565.564" EndTime="2568.661" Participant="me011">
      And I checked on the web, and <Emphasis> every </Emphasis> site I went to,
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      It's apparently comfortable and stays on the head well, so we'll see if it's any good.
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      You said it was used by aerobics instructors?
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      Yep.
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      Yep, so it was -
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      Hmm.
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      That says a lot.
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      it was advertised for performers and -
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      For the recor- for the record Adam is not a paid employee or a consultant of Crown.
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    <Segment StartTime="2586.210" EndTime="2586.746" Participant="me011">
      Excuse me?
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      Oh. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Excuse me?
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    <Segment StartTime="2588.069" EndTime="2588.746" Participant="fe016">
      Right.
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      That's right. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      However, he may be solicited after these meetings are distributed.
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      Well we're using the Crown P_Z_Ms. These are Crown aren't they?
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      Don't worry about finishing your dissertation.
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    <Segment StartTime="2596.835" EndTime="2597.222" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;white&quot;"> Right.  </Pronounce>
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      The P_Z_Ms <Emphasis> are </Emphasis> <Emphasis> Crown, </Emphasis> aren't they?
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    <Segment StartTime="2599.804" EndTime="2600.401" Participant="me013">
      <Emphasis> Yeah. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah, I thought they were.
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      You bet. You bet.
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      Yes.
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      So if we go to a workshop about all this - this it's gonna be a meeting about meetings about meetings.
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      Oh, yeah, what - Which'll be the meeting about the meeting about the meeting. Yeah?
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