ICSI_original_transcripts/transcripts/Bmr009.mrt

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      Starts -
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      No.
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      No.
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      No.
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      That's a different thing. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      There's another - I don't know. It starts with a P_ or something. I forget the word for it,
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      Oh.
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      but it's - it's um
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      Typically when you - you're ab- r-
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      starting around forty for most people,
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      it starts to harden and then it's just harder for the lens to
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      Oh.
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      shift things and th- the - the <Emphasis> symptom </Emphasis> is typically that you -
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      Uh-huh.
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      you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to -
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      Yeah.
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      to see it.
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      In fact, uh m- my brother's a <Pause/> gerontological psychologist and he - he uh
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      came up with an - an uh - a uh body age test which uh
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      gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st- <Pronounce> statistical  </Pronounce> predictors of all the rest of it.
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      And one of them is - is the distance
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> that you <Pronounce> have  </Pronounce> to hold it at. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Give someone a piece of paper and then they -
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      Yeah.
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      We're - we're live by the way, so we've got a good intro here
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      Oh.
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      Oh. Yeah. <Uncertain> About </Uncertain> how <Emphasis> old </Emphasis> I am. O_K.
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      Yep. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> We can edit that out if you want.
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      Oh, that's <Emphasis> optional. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      No, that's O_K.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      O_K. So.
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      <Uncertain> You know </Uncertain>.
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      <Emphasis> This </Emphasis> time the form
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      discussion should be very short, right?
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      It <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> should be <Pause/> <Emphasis> later. </Emphasis>
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      O_K.
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      Because Jane uh is not <Emphasis> here </Emphasis> yet.
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      Good point.
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      And uh she'll be most interested in that.
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      Uh, she's probably <Emphasis> least </Emphasis> involved in the signal-processing stuff so maybe we can just -
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      just uh, I don't think we should go though an <Emphasis> elaborate </Emphasis> thing,
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      but um uh Jose and I were just talking about
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      the uh
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      uh, speech e- energy thing,
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      <Uncertain> The </Uncertain> <Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain> -
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      Yeah.
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      and I uh - We didn't talk about the derivatives. But I think,
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      you know, the - the - i-
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      if I can -
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      if you don't mind my - my speaking for you for a bit,
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      um <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      Uh. Right now, <Uncertain> that </Uncertain> he's not really showing any kind of uh distinction,
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      but uh - <Uncertain> but </Uncertain> we discussed a couple of the possible things that uh he can look at.
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      Um. And uh one is that uh this is all in <Emphasis> log </Emphasis> energy and log energy is basically compressing the distances
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      uh <Pause/> between things.
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      Um <Pause/> Another is that he needs to play with the - the different uh <Pause/> uh temporal
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      sizes. He was - he - he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds
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      uh, and uh he's going to vary that number and also look at moving windows, as we discussed before.
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      Um
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      And uh - and the other thing is that the - yeah doing the -
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      subtracting off the mean and the variance in the -
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      <Pause/> uh and dividing it by the <Pause/> standard deviation in the log domain,
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      may not be <Pause/> the right thing to do.
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      Hi. Yeah.
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      Hi Jane!
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      We just started.
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      Could you take that mike there?
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      Are these the <Emphasis> long </Emphasis> term means? Like, over the whole - I mean,
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      the means of <Pause/> <Emphasis> what? </Emphasis>
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      Thanks.
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      Uh B- Between -
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      All the frames in the <Emphasis> conversation? </Emphasis> Or of things that -
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      between -
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      No.
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      Between -
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      No.
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      Neither. It's uh between the pauses <Pause/> uh for some segment.
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      Oh.
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      And so i- i- his - his - He's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds.
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      Oh.
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      And so you take that. And then he's -
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      he's uh <Emphasis> measuring </Emphasis> at the frame level -
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      still at the frame level,
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      Right.
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      <Uncertain> of what </Uncertain> -
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      and then - and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount.
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      um and -
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      But one thing he was pointing out is when he - he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain, it <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> actually pretty hard to see
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      the <Emphasis> change. </Emphasis>
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      And you can sort of <Pause/> see that, because of j- of just
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      putting it on the board that
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      Yep.
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      if you sort of have <Emphasis> log-X_ </Emphasis> plus
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      log-<Emphasis> X_ </Emphasis>,
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      Yeah, maybe it's not log <Uncertain> distributed </Uncertain>. <Comment Description="last word is whispered"/>
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      that's the <Emphasis> log </Emphasis> of <Emphasis> X_ </Emphasis> plus the <Emphasis> log </Emphasis> of <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> and it's just, <Pause/> you know, it - it diminishes the <Pause/> effect of having two of them.
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      Mmm. Yeah.
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      But you could do like a C_D_<Emphasis> F </Emphasis> there instead? I mean, we don't <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> that the distribution here is
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      Um.
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      Yes, right.
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      normally.
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      So -
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      So just some kind of a simple -
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      So what I was suggesting to him is that -
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      Actually, a <Emphasis> P_D_F </Emphasis>.
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      But, you know, uh
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      P_D_F
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      But, <Emphasis> either </Emphasis> <Emphasis> way. </Emphasis> Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah, eith- eith- uh
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      Something like that where it's sort of data driven.
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      B- Yeah, but I think <Pause/> also
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      u-
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      I think a good first indicator is when the - the - the researcher looks at
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      examples of the data
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      and can <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> see
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      a change <Pause/> in how big the - the signal is,
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      Yeah.
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      when the two speaker -
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      Then, that's a problem
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      right there.
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      Yeah.
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      Oh yeah.
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      So.
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      I think you should at <Emphasis> least </Emphasis> be able,
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      Oh yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      And when he's looking in the log domain he's not really seeing it.
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      So. And when he's looking in straight <Emphasis> energy </Emphasis> he <Emphasis> is, </Emphasis>
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      so that's a good place to start.
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      Yeah.
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      Um.
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      So that was - that was the discussion we just had.
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      Um.
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      The other thing
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      Actually we ca- had a <Emphasis> question </Emphasis> for <Emphasis> Adam </Emphasis> in this.
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      How -
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      Uh, when you did the
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      sampling?
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      uh <Pause/> over the <Pause/> speech segments or s- or sampling over the -
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      the individual channels in order to do the e-
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      uh the <Pause/> amplitude equalization,
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      did you do it over
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      just the entire - everything in the mike channels? You didn't try to find speech?
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      No, I just took over the entire s- uh entire channel
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      um <Pause/> sampled ten minutes randomly.
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      Right, O_K. So then <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> means that someone who didn't speak
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      <Pause/> very much
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      would be largely represented by silence.
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      Yep.
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      And someone who would - who would be -
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      So the normalization factor
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      <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> is <Pause/> i- i- i-
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      Yeah, this was quite quick and dirty, and it was just for <Pause/> <Emphasis> listening. </Emphasis>
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      <Pause/> is - is -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      O_K.
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      And for <Emphasis> listening </Emphasis> it seems to work really <Emphasis> well. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      So.
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      Yeah.
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      But that's -
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      Right. So th-
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      But, it's not -
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      Yeah.
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      Not a good measure. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      O_K.
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      So yeah there - there - there -
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      There's a good chance then given that
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      different people <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> talk different amounts <Pause/> that there is -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      there - there is still a lot more to be gained from gain norm- normalization with some
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      Mmm.
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      Yes, absolutely.
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      sort if -
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      Yeah.
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      Uh. But
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      we were agreed that in addition to that <Comment Description="while stretching"/>
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      uh there should be <Pause/>
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      s- stuff related <Emphasis> to </Emphasis> pitch and harmonics and so forth.
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      Yeah.
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      So we didn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives, but uh again just - just looking at -
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      Uh, I think uh Liz has a very good point,
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      that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show -
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      Yeah.
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      Well, actually, you <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> have some distributions here,
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      Yeah.
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      uh for <Emphasis> these </Emphasis> cases.
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      You have some histograms,
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      Yeah.
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      um <Pause/> and <Pause/> uh,
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      they don't look very separate.
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      <Pause/> uh <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/> separated.
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      This is the - the first derivate of <Uncertain> log of frame </Uncertain> energy
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      <Uncertain> What </Uncertain> -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      uh without any kind of normalization.
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      Yeah.
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      Log energy.
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      These the-
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      These are the - the first experiments uh with comment uh
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      Except that <Pause/>
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      it's hard to judge this because the - they're not normalized.
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      It's just number of frames.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      But yeah, even so.
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      I mean, what I meant is, even if you use <Emphasis> linear, </Emphasis> <Pause/> you know, <Emphasis> raw </Emphasis> <Pause/>
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      you know, use the distribution to model the -
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      the mean, or what- y-
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      you know, rather than the mean take some -
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      Yeah. But - And so in - in <Emphasis> these </Emphasis> he's <Emphasis> got </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      that.
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      He's got some pictures.
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      Yeah.
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      But he doesn't - he doesn't in the -
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      <Emphasis> just </Emphasis> in <Emphasis> derivatives, </Emphasis>
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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      but not in the -
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      but he d-
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      Right. So, we don't <Pause/> know what they look like <Pause/> on the, <Pause/> tsk - <Comment Description="vocal gesture"/>
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      He had it for the derivatives.
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      Yeah.
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      So.
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      I mean, there might be something there. I don't know.
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      Huh.
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      Yeah.
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      Here I - I
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      in -
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      did - did you have this sort of thing, for just the -
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      No
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      log energy?
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      I - I - I haven't <Uncertain> the result </Uncertain>
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      O_K. Yeah. So she - she's right. That's a -
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      Cuz -
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      Huh?
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      That's uh <Pause/> cuz I'd mentioned scatter plots before but she's right, I mean, even before you get the scatter plots, just looking at a <Emphasis> single </Emphasis> feature
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      uh,
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      <Uncertain> Catal- </Uncertain> uh - Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters.
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      I - I - I - I mean the - the - the scatter plot
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      <Pause/> combining eh different <Pause/> n- two combination.
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      combination of two, <Pause/> of energy and derivate -
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      That's - that sort of hypothesis. And the first way you'd look at that,
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      just take a look at the <Emphasis> distribution </Emphasis> of those two <Emphasis> things, </Emphasis>
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      <Emphasis> much </Emphasis> as you've <Emphasis> plotted </Emphasis> them <Emphasis> here, </Emphasis>
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      <Pause/> just uh do it -
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      You have the <Emphasis> silence, </Emphasis> and that - that's fine.
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      um
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      Let's start off just in <Emphasis> one, </Emphasis>
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      uh, with this <Emphasis> feature. </Emphasis>
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      <Emphasis> pitch-related </Emphasis> things are - are - are going to be a - a really likely candidate
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      to <Emphasis> help. </Emphasis>
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      That - You know, there might be something
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      <Emphasis> helpful </Emphasis> and <Emphasis> cleaner </Emphasis> about looking at just <Pause/> individuals and then that combination alone.
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      <Emphasis> Plus, </Emphasis> I think it
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      So if - I don't know, if you go through and you find
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      <Emphasis> Adam, </Emphasis> cuz he has a lot of overlaps and some other speaker who also has e- enough speech and just
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      <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> cases of Adam and the other person and the overlaps, maybe -
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      Uh-huh.
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      I had the same intuition last - last - last week.
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      So.
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      <Pause/> you can see
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      <Pause/> eh you know without
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      Cuz if energy doesn't matter <Emphasis> there, </Emphasis> like -
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      I don't think this is true, but what if
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      Sorry, what?
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      Well, you - you - you don't have to study <Emphasis> everybody </Emphasis> individually but <Pause/>
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      The - the - the -
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      Right.
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      Cuz what if it's the case and I don't think this is true -
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      That was a <Emphasis> great </Emphasis> overlap by the way. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      What if it's the case that when two people overlap they equate their -
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      you know, there's a <Pause/> conservation of energy and everybody -
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      <Pronounce> both  </Pronounce> people talk more softly? I don't think this happens at <Emphasis> all. </Emphasis>
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      Or - or what if what if the equipment -
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      there's some
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      I mean.
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      <Emphasis> overlap. </Emphasis>
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      There are - there are different
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      Yeah.
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      And it <Emphasis> doesn't </Emphasis> take - you don't take the <Emphasis> floor. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      So.
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      It -
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      Actually the s- new student, Don, who um Adam has met, and he was
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      <Pause/> in mid-January. He's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap.
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      I don't know if he's talked with you yet.
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      Yeah.
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      But in sort of honing in on these different types and -
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      I don't consi-
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      This is a s- a general studio of the overlapping
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      Yeah.
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      <Pause/> help by categorizing some of them and then,
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      actually <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> recommend that he do the overall thing
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      He could - You see, he already has all his stuff in place, he has the histogram mechanism,
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      he has the stuff that subtracts out -
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      Yeah.
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      bec-
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      Yeah, no. I <Emphasis> didn't </Emphasis> mean that -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      So you don't have to worry about it. And here's the three types of overlaps. And we'll - we'll do the <Emphasis> labeling </Emphasis> for you.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Hm-<Emphasis> hmm. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah, that we would be working on <Emphasis> anyway. </Emphasis>
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      <Uncertain> If there's time. </Uncertain>
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      Then maybe <Pause/> you can <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> some different things for those three <Emphasis> cases, </Emphasis> and see if that helps, or -
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      Yeah.
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      This is the thing I - I comment with you before,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And the behavior for energy is,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And -
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      uh
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      Yeah.
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      some -
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah.
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      I - I would still guess that if they are not separated at <Emphasis> all, </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      that there's some -
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      there's - there's most likely something wrong in the way that we're measuring it.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Um,
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      but <Pause/>
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      um
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      For instance, I mean I wouldn't expect that it was very <Emphasis> common </Emphasis>
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      <Emphasis> overall, </Emphasis> that
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      that it would - that it really was
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      <Emphasis> lower, </Emphasis> although sometimes, as you say, it <Emphasis> would. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah, no, that was - That was a jok-
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      So.
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      So.
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      or a sort of,
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      Yeah.
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      a case where - where you would <Emphasis> never </Emphasis> know that unless you actually
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      I mean. No. It could - it probably <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> happen sometimes.
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      Yeah.
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      go and look at
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      two individuals. So.
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      Yeah.
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      Mind if I turned that light off? The flickering is annoying me.
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      O_K.
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      It <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> case, </Emphasis> though, that the significant energy, just as Jose was saying, <Emphasis> comes </Emphasis> in the <Emphasis> non-backchannel </Emphasis> cases.
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      Because in back- <Emphasis> Most </Emphasis> people when they're talking don't change their own
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      <Pause/> energy when they get a backchannel, cuz they're not really <Emphasis> predicting </Emphasis> the backchannel.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And sometimes it's a nod and sometimes it's an "mm-hmm". And the <Emphasis> "mm-hmm </Emphasis>" is really usually very low <Emphasis> energy. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      So maybe those don't actually have much difference in energy. But
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      <Pause/> all the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> cases might.
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      and the backchannels are sort of easy to spot
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      s- in terms of their words or - I mean, just listen to it. So.
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      Yeah.
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      But -
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      and - and again what they - what difference there <Emphasis> was </Emphasis> would kind of be lost in taking the log,
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      so, <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Well, it would be lost <Pause/> no matter what you <Emphasis> do. </Emphasis> It just -
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> as well.
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      Yeah.
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      Mmm,
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      no, if it's -
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      if i-
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      if it's -
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      Well, it <Emphasis> won't </Emphasis> be as <Emphasis> big. </Emphasis>
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      I mean, even if you take the <Emphasis> log, </Emphasis> you can - your model just has a more sensitive <Pause/> measures. So.
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      Yeah.
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      Sure, but <Emphasis> tone </Emphasis> might be very
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      Yeah, you're "mm-hmm" tone is going to be very different.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      You could imagine doing <Emphasis> specialized </Emphasis> ones for different <Emphasis> types </Emphasis> of backchannels,
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      if you could - if you had a good model for it.
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      Your "mm-hmm" detector.
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      If - if you're - a-
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      I guess my point is, if you're doing essentially a linear separation, taking the log first <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> in fact make it harder to separate.
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      So it's -
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      So, uh if you i- i-
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      So i- if there - if there close to things it does
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      Yeah.
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      it's a <Emphasis> nonlinear </Emphasis> operation that <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> in fact change the distinction. If you're doing a non- if you're doing some fancy thing then - then yeah.
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      And right now we're essentially doing this linear thing by looking across here and - and saying we're going to cut it here.
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      Um
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      and that - that's the indicator that we're getting.
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      But <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> yeah, we're not <Pause/> disagreeing on any of this, we should look at it more uh - more finely,
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      but uh uh I think that -
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      This often happens, you do fairly complicated things,
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      and then you stand back from them and you realize that you haven't done something simple.
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      So
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      uh, if you generated something like that just for the energy and see,
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      and then, a- a- a- as - as Liz says, when they g- have uh uh smaller um, more coherent groups to look at, that would be another interesting thing later.
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      Uh-huh.
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      Uh-huh.
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      And then that should give us some indication -
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      <Emphasis> between </Emphasis> those, should give us some indication of whether there's anything to be achieved f- from energy at <Emphasis> all. </Emphasis>
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      And then you can move on to the uh <Pause/>
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      uh more <NonVocalSound Description="mike loud pop"/> pitch related stuff.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I - I - I think this is a good idea.
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      O_K.
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      <Emphasis> Not </Emphasis> consider the log
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      Mm-hmm.
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      energy.
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      Yeah.
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      <Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain>
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      But then the -
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      Have you started looking at the pitch related <Pause/> stuff at all, or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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      The - ? <Comment Description="leading question, requesting repeat of preceding question"/>
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      Pitch <Pause/> related?
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      Harmonicity and so on?
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      I - I'm preparing the - the program but I don't - I don't begin
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      Preparing to -
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      because eh
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      Yeah.
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      I saw your email and
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      <Pause/> I agree with you
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      Yeah.
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      it's better to -
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      I suppose it's better to - to consider the - the energy this kind of parameter
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      Oh, that's <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> what I <Emphasis> meant. </Emphasis>
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      bef-
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      No, no. I - I - I -
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      I - Well,
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      we <Emphasis> certainly </Emphasis> should <Emphasis> see </Emphasis> this but I - I - I -
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      I think that the harm-
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      I <Emphasis> certainly </Emphasis> wasn't saying this was <Emphasis> better </Emphasis> than the
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      I - I go on with the - with the
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      <Emphasis> Yeah. </Emphasis>
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      pitch, aha!
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      <Pause/> O_K.
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      Yeah, I was just saying -
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      I - I - I - I understood uh that eh
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      <Pause/> I - I had to finish
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      <Pause/> by the moment with the
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      and - and concentrate my - my energy in that problem. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      O_K. O_K.
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      O_K. But I think, like, all these derivatives and second derivatives and all these other very fancy things, I think I would just sort of <Emphasis> look </Emphasis> at the energy <Pause/> and then
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      get into the <Emphasis> harmonicity </Emphasis> as - as
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      O_K. I go on
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      a suggestion.
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      with the pitch.
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      O_K. So maybe uh
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      since w- we're trying to
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      um, I know <Emphasis> Adam </Emphasis> had some <Emphasis> form </Emphasis> stuff he wanted to talk about
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      and did you have some?
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      I wanted to ask just s- something on the end of <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> top- topic. So,
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      when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers,
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      Uh-huh.
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      at the bottom of that I <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> have a <Emphasis> proposal, </Emphasis> and I had plan to go <Emphasis> through </Emphasis> with it, of - of co- <Emphasis> coding </Emphasis> the types of overlaps that people were <Emphasis> involved </Emphasis> in s-
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      just with reference to speaker style so,
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      Oh.
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      you know, with reference - and you know I said that on my - in my <Emphasis> summary, </Emphasis> that
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      That'd be great.
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      Yeah, I remem- Right.
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      <Pause/> you know so it's like people may have different amounts of being <Emphasis> overlapped </Emphasis> with or overlapping
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> was planning to do a taxonomy of <Emphasis> types </Emphasis> overlaps with reference to <Emphasis> that. </Emphasis>
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      <Emphasis> That </Emphasis> would be <Emphasis> great. </Emphasis> That would be really <Emphasis> great. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Is - is it -
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      We have nothing - You know, basically, we got <Pause/> his <Emphasis> environment </Emphasis> set up. He's - he's a double-E_ <Comment Description="meaning Electrical Engineer"/>
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      It's mostly that,
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      <Pause/> if we <Emphasis> had </Emphasis> to <Pause/> label it ourselves, we - we <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> or we'd have to, to get started,
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      <Emphasis> You'd </Emphasis> be much better <Comment Description="while laughing"/> at doing it also because
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      you know, I - I'm not -
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      I don't <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> a good feel for how they should be sorted out, and I really didn't wanna
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      It would be interesting, though, to talk, maybe not at the meeting,
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      Mm-hmm. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I think <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> a research <Pause/> effort in and of itself,
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      Yeah, it would be interesting.
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      because you can <Emphasis> read </Emphasis> the literature, but I don't know how it'll <Pause/> turn out and,
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      Yeah.
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      I would think it's interesting, yeah.
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      You know, it's <Emphasis> always </Emphasis> an interesting question.
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      Yeah.
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      That'd be <Emphasis> great. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Yep.
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      That'd be <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> great. And we'd still have some <Pause/> funding
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      O_K.
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      I can do that.
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      uh- uh-
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      for this project, like probably,
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      if we had to hire some - like an undergrad, because uh Don is being
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      hhh.
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      covered half time on something else -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I mean,
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      R_A-ship for - <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> time. </Emphasis> So.
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      um
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      If we got it to where we wanted - we needed someone to do that - I don't think there's really enough
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      <Emphasis> data </Emphasis> where - where -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah, I see this as a prototype,
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      to use the only the -
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      the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype.
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      I - I think a- a- another
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      uh when we have -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      <Pause/> I think,
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      this very short eh -
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      Yeah.
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      like - <Pause/> You should <Emphasis> definitely </Emphasis> not be <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> times as big as your -
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Then you're gonna w- have a wash.
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      And hopefully it's more like
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      I'm not sure that's <Pause/> necessarily <Emphasis> true. </Emphasis>
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      on the order of -
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      Yeah?
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      It <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> an <Emphasis> empirical </Emphasis> question, it seems like.
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      Yea-
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      Because -
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      because it -
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      because
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      um
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      again if you're just <Emphasis> compensating </Emphasis> for the <Emphasis> gain, </Emphasis>
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      you know, the fact that this - this gain thing was crude,
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      and the gain wh-
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      just to - to give a - an extreme example,
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      all you're doing is compensating for that.
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      And <Uncertain> then you </Uncertain> still s-
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      And then if you look at the frame with <Emphasis> respect </Emphasis> to that,
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      <Emphasis> change </Emphasis>
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      Yeah, it <Emphasis> depends </Emphasis> how different your normalization is, as you slide your window across. I mean. <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> something we don't know.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      It's possible to try it both ways, isn't it?
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      Well, I mean we're also talking about
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      a couple of different things. I mean, one is your <Emphasis> analysis </Emphasis> window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you're doing.
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      Yeah I was talking about the n- normalization window.
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      And the -
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      And they could be quite different.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      This was sort of where -
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      Yeah. That's true.
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      Yep.
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      where we were <Emphasis> last </Emphasis> week.
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      Yeah.
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      But, anyway
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      We - we'll have to look at some core things.
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      Um.
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      O_K.
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      O_K.
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      But that'd be great if - if you're marking those and -
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      Great.
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      O_K.
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      um.
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      Yeah.
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      But
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      it <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> definitely true that we need to have the <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> marks,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and I was assuming <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> will be <Emphasis> inherited </Emphasis> because,
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      Yep, I agree.
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      if you have the words and they're roughly aligned in time
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      Mm-hmm.
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      via
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      forced alignment or whatever we end up using,
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      then
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      you know, this <Pause/> student and I would be looking at the time
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      marks and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels
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      Coming off of the other -
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      Yeah.
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      Good. So, it wouldn't be <Pause/>
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      Jane gave
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      I wasn't planning to label the time marks.
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      I can give you
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      I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side, yeah.
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      my <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;tractition&quot;"> transcription  </Pronounce> file, no?
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      I don't think you <Emphasis> need </Emphasis> to.
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      Yeah. That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow, right?
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      There you go.
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      Well we're not any time <Emphasis> soon </Emphasis> going to get a forced <Emphasis> alignment. </Emphasis> <Pause/> So.
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      Not now.
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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      Um
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      If it's not hand-marked then we're not going to get the times.
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      Well, it's something that w-
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      Well, we - we wouldn't be able to do <Emphasis> any </Emphasis> work without a forced alignment <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> so somehow if -
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      once he gets going we're gonna
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      hafta come up with one and
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      Yes.
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      Yeah.
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      I mean w- I guess we could do a very <Emphasis> bad </Emphasis> one with Broadcast News.
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      Good.
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      So whatever you would label would be
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      attached to the words, I think.
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      Great!
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      Good, good. Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah.
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      stuff,
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      That might be good enough.
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      we could come up -
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      take the Switchboard
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      system or something, and -
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      Yeah.
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      Um
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      It'd be worth a try. It would be interesting to see what we get.
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      Just, you know, low-pass filter the speech and -
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      Cuz there's - there's a lot of work you can't do <Emphasis> without </Emphasis> that, I mean,
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      how - how would you -
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      Yeah.
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      You'd have to go in and measure every
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      is y- if you're interested in anything to do with words. So.
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      Yep.
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      It would be <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> inefficient.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Anyway <Pause/> So that'd be great.
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      Good. O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      There's something we should
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      But, uh,
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      Yeah. Let's do that later.
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      Yeah <VocalSound Description="laugh 1 syll"/> Right.
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      We'll talk about it later.
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      Oh! Oh <Emphasis> good, </Emphasis> O_K.
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      Um.
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      Oh.
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      How - So it's two pages per person?
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      Nope.
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      One's a digit form, one's a speaker form.
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      Oh!
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      So one is a one time only <Pause/> speaker form and the other is the digits.
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      Alright.
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      This is just the suggestion for uh what the new forms would look like.
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      So, they incorporate the changes <Pause/> that we talked about.
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      Date and time. <VocalSound Description="whispered"/>
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      Uh why did you switch the order of the Date and Time fields?
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      This is rather a low-level, but <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="laughing"/>
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      On which one?
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      On - on the <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> one, <Emphasis> Time </Emphasis> comes first and <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> Date,
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      but <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> thought -
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      Oh you mean on the <Emphasis> digit </Emphasis> form?
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      This is -
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      this is rather a low level question, but -
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      Uh, because
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      but it <Emphasis> used </Emphasis> - <Emphasis> used </Emphasis> to be Date came <Emphasis> first. </Emphasis>
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      the user fills out the first three fields and I fill out the rest.
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      Oh <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see.
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      Well, <Emphasis> how </Emphasis> would the -
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      So it <Emphasis> was </Emphasis> <Emphasis> intentional. </Emphasis> It's an interesting observation, but it was intentional.
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      How would the user know the time if they didn't know the date?
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      Because the <Emphasis> date </Emphasis> is when you actually read the digits and the <Emphasis> time </Emphasis>
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      and, excuse me, the <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> is when you actually read the <Emphasis> digits, </Emphasis>
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      but I'm filling out the <Emphasis> date </Emphasis> <Emphasis> beforehand. </Emphasis> If you look at the form in front of you?
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      that you're going to fill out when you read the digits?
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      Yeah.
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      you'll see I've already filled in the <Emphasis> date </Emphasis> but not the <Emphasis> time. </Emphasis>
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> always assumed -
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      So the <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> is supposed to be pretty <Emphasis> exact, </Emphasis> because I've just been taking beginning time -
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      Yeah, me too. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      time of the meeting.
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      Yeah,
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      Yeah, I've noticed that in the <Emphasis> forms. </Emphasis>
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      I - yeah.
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      The - the <Emphasis> reason </Emphasis> I put the <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> in, is so that the <Emphasis> person </Emphasis>
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      <Uncertain NumSyllables="3"> @@ </Uncertain>
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      Me too.
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      who's extracting the digits, meaning me,
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      Oh!
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      will know where to look in the meeting,
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      Oh dear. We've been -
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      But -
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      to try to find the digits.
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      we've been <Emphasis> messing </Emphasis> <Emphasis> up </Emphasis> your <Emphasis> forms. </Emphasis>
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      I <Emphasis> know. </Emphasis>
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      I am put - I am putting the beginning of the meeting.
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      So you should call it, like, "digits start time". Or.
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      And I haven't said anything.
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      Yep.
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      <Uncertain> in - on there </Uncertain>.
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      Why - What - what were you putting in?
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      Oh, well, I was saying if we started the meeting at
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      Yeah.
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      two <Emphasis> thirty, </Emphasis> I'd put two thirty, and I guess d-
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      e- <Emphasis> everyone </Emphasis> was putting two <Emphasis> thirty, </Emphasis> and
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      Yeah.
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      Oh.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      No, it's about fifty fifty.
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      I didn't <Emphasis> realize </Emphasis> there was "uh oh
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      I'm about to read this and I should" -
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      Actually it's about one third each. About one third of them are blank, <Pause/> about one third of them are when the digits are read, and about one third of them are when the <Pause/> meeting starts.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Oh.
    </Segment>
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      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      So.
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      This would be a <Emphasis> radical </Emphasis> suggestion but -
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      I could put instructions?
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      Nah.
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      Ei- either that or maybe you could
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      Yeah.
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      maybe write down when people <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      start reading digits on that <Pronounce> particular  </Pronounce> session.
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      But if I'm not at the meeting, I can't do that.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> I know, O_K.
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      Yeah, he's been setting stuff up and going away. So.
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      <Pause/> That's a good point.
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see. Good point good point.
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      For some reason he doesn't want to sit through every meeting that's -
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      Yep, but that is the reason Name, Email and Time are where they are.
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      Oh, O_K. Alright.
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      Yeah.
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      I rest my -
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      And then the others are later on.
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      Uh-huh.
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      O_K. w-
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      And the Seat is this number?
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Seat and Session. <Comment Description="reading to self"/>
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      "For official use only"
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      That's -
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      "use only" <Comment Description="reading from the form"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Well, he's <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> professional. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Actually you could -
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      Well that <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> raise another <Emphasis> question, </Emphasis> which is why is the "Professional use only" line not higher?
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      Why doesn't it come in at the point of Date and Seat?
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      Oh.
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    <Segment StartTime="1655.191" EndTime="1655.874" Participant="me011">
      What?
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      Because we're filling in <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> things.
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      What?
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      Well, because -
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      If y-
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      your - your professional use, you're gonna already have the date,
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      and the s-
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      What - which form are you talking about?
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      Well I'm comparing the <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> one with the <Emphasis> old </Emphasis> one.
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      This is the digit form.
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      Oh.
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      Oh you're talking about the <Emphasis> digit </Emphasis> form. The digit form doesn't -
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      Yeah.
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      Digit.
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      Digit form.
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      Oh! I wasn't supposed to -
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      Yeah.
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      Sorry.
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      The digit - No, that's <Emphasis> alright. </Emphasis> The digit form doesn't have a "for official use only" line.
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      Sorry. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      It just has a <Emphasis> line, </Emphasis>
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      <Pause/> which is what you're supposed to read.
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      That - uh O_K.
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      So on the <Emphasis> digits </Emphasis> form,
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      Sorry about that. Yeah.
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      everything <Emphasis> above </Emphasis> the line is a <Emphasis> fill-in </Emphasis> form
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      <Pause/> and everything <Emphasis> below </Emphasis> the line is digits that the user <Emphasis> reads. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      O_K.
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      Alright s- but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here, so you really wanted to start with this other form.
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      No, either way is fine I just -
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      You just started <Emphasis> talking </Emphasis> about something, and I didn't know which <Emphasis> form </Emphasis> you were <Emphasis> referring </Emphasis> to.
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      Alright yeah, I was comparing - so th- this is -
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      So I was looking at the <Emphasis> change </Emphasis> first. So it's like we started with <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> and now we've got a <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> version of it
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      wi- <Pause/> with reference to this. So the <Emphasis> digit </Emphasis> form, we had one already.
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      Now the f- the fields
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      So the main thing that the person fills out
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      um <Pause/> is the name and email and
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      Yeah.
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      time?
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      Right.
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      Ah! <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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      You do the rest?
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      Yep.
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      Just as uh - as I have
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      Right.
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      for all the others.
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      What -
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      And there's an <Emphasis> addition </Emphasis> of the native <Emphasis> language, </Emphasis>
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      This one has Native Language and this one does too.
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      That's because the one, the digit form that has native language is the <Emphasis> old </Emphasis> form not the <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> form.
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      Oh! Thank you. <Pause/> Thank you, thank you. There we go.
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      Yeah.
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      <Pause/> <Emphasis> Oh, </Emphasis> yeah. <Emphasis> I'll </Emphasis> catch up here.
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      O_K, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see.
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      That's the old and that's the new. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      Yeah this was the problem with these categories, I -
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      I picked those categories from TIMIT.
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> don't know what those are. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <Emphasis> Actually, </Emphasis> the only way <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> know is from working with the database and having to figure it out.
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      What -
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      With TIMIT, yeah?
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      uh-huh.
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      What i-
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      So, I was gonna ask wh-
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      w-
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      Well yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Nor- um -
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      I mean. So - so what accent are <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> speaking?
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      Western?
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      By definition?
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      And for simple for - for me?
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      Is mean my native language Spanish -
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      Probably Western, yeah.
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      Well,
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      The original
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      <Pause/> For the foreign language we couldn't
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      Because
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      <Pause/> the Spanish language from the - the north of Spain, of the south, of the west and the -
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      Sure.
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      But. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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      So I'm not sure what to do about the Region field for English variety.
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      Yeah.
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      You know, when I wrote - I was writing those down, I was thinking, "You know, these are great <Pause/> if you're a <Emphasis> linguist </Emphasis>".
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      Yeah.
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      But <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> don't know how to - <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> don't know how to - <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> don't know how to categorize them.
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      Actually even if you <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah.
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      <Pause/> t-
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      If you're -
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      This wasn't developed by -
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      Yeah
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      Yeah.
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      So I guess my only <Emphasis> question </Emphasis> was if - if you were a South Midland speaking
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Would you <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> it? Is that what you would <Emphasis> call </Emphasis> yourself?
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      I don't <Emphasis> know. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      You know, I think if you're talking -
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      I would think
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      Yeah. Now <Pause/> the usage -
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      I went to s-
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      No, that's not bad.
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      Because
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      it takes less time, and it's sort of cute there's no figure.
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      in that side -
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      Well just a little - You know, it doesn't have <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> detail, </Emphasis> but you sort of -
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      Well, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> was thinking you could have ma- <Emphasis> multiple </Emphasis> ones
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      That's the same -
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      and then the amount of time - so, <Emphasis> roughly. </Emphasis>
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      So. You could say,
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      <Pause/> you know "ten years
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      <Pause/> on the east coast,
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      We - I think we don't want
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      I guess we <Emphasis> don't </Emphasis> really <Emphasis> know. </Emphasis>
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      I mean I -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and <Pause/> so does
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      Right. And so
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      Oh. O_K. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      Um
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      Also Northwest you've got Oreg- Washington and Oregon now which
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      Yeah, <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> certainly don't. I mean, I was saying I don't even know what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> speak.
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      Yeah.
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      But -
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      Yeah.
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      I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either. And - and so I would think -
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      I would say, I've - I've got a <Emphasis> mix </Emphasis> of California and Ohio. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      I think at the <Emphasis> first </Emphasis> level, for example, <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> speak the <Emphasis> same. </Emphasis>
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      I don't know.
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      our - our dialects
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      Uh-huh.
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      Or <Pause/> whatever you - <Emphasis> region </Emphasis> are the same. But I don't know what it <Emphasis> is. </Emphasis>
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      So.
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      Well, you have a like techno-speak accent I think. <Pause/>
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      a <Emphasis> techno-speak </Emphasis> accent?
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      A - a geek region?
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      I mean I - you can sort of identify it f-
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      It's - it's -
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      not - not that that's -
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      but - but
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      maybe we could
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      <Emphasis> leave </Emphasis> this and see what people -
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      See what people choose
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      <Pause/> and then um
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      let them just fill in if they don't -
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      I mean I don't know what else we can do, cuz -
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      I'm wondering about a question like, "Where are you from mostly?"
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      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      But I - I'm s-
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      Yeah.
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      I'm - now that you mentioned it though, I am - really <Emphasis> am </Emphasis> confused by "Northern".
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      I agree.
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      I really <Emphasis> am. </Emphasis> I mean,
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      I agree.
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      Yeah.
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      I agree.
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      if - if you're <Pause/>
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      in New <Emphasis> England, </Emphasis> that's North.
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      If you're - i- if you're
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      Scandinavian, the Minnesota area's north.
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      Uh yeah. That's -
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      That's North Midland.
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      But that's <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> North <Emphasis> Midland, </Emphasis> right?
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      Yeah.
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      Oh, <Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain>. - O_K.
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      And - and - and Oregon and -
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      Yeah. Of course, that's <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> different from, like, <Emphasis> Michigan, </Emphasis>
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      and Oregon and Washington are - are <Emphasis> Western, </Emphasis> but
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      or -
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      they're also <Emphasis> Northern. </Emphasis>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      uh, Idaho?
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      Well there are hardly any subjects from Idaho.
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      Montana?
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Just rule them out.
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      There's only a few people in Idaho. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      There are hardly any subjects from "beep" <Comment Description="said with high pitch and lengthening"/>
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      Yeah.
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      Sorry.
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      No, <Uncertain> that's </Uncertain> -
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      And - is - in those -
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      Maybe -
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      Maybe we -
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      Yeah really.
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      And if you put -
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      We could ask where they're <Emphasis> from. </Emphasis> Yeah. But-
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      Yeah.
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      We went back to that.
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      If you put eh the state?
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      Well well we sort of -
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      Where are you from mostly?
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      We - we went - we went around this and then <Pause/> a lot of people
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      Uh-huh.
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      ended up saying that it -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      You know.
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      Well, I like the idea of asking "what variety of English do you speak" as opposed to where you're from
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      Yeah.
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      Because th- if we <Emphasis> start </Emphasis> asking where we're <Emphasis> from, </Emphasis> <Emphasis> again </Emphasis> you have to start saying, "well, is that the <Emphasis> language </Emphasis> you speak or is that just where you're <Emphasis> from? </Emphasis>"
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      Hmm?
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      I mean it gives us good information on where they're <Emphasis> from, </Emphasis> but
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      Let's - Mm-hmm.
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      And -
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      that doesn't <Comment Description="while laughing"/> tell us anything - well, <Emphasis> enough </Emphasis> about their -
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      I mean. So - so I would say Germany
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      like -
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      You know am I speaking with German accent I don't <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> so.
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      Oh.
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      Right.
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      Well, see, <Emphasis> I'm </Emphasis> thinking "Where are you from <Emphasis> mostly </Emphasis>"
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      Oh, O_K yeah.
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      because, you know, then you have some - some kind of subjective <Emphasis> amount </Emphasis> of <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> factored into it.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yep.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah, I guess I could <Emphasis> try </Emphasis> to put - squeeze in a little <Emphasis> map. </Emphasis> I mean there's not a lot of r- of room
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      I'd say, uh,
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      "Boston, New York City, the South and Regular".
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      I think <Emphasis> of </Emphasis> those, <Emphasis> Northern </Emphasis> is the only one that I don't even know what they're meaning.
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      And - And -
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      Oh, I don't know.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="ingressive"/>
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      That's a joke. That's - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So let's make it up.
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      S- I mean, who cares. Right? We can make up our own - So we can say "Northwest",
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      You know.
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      "West"
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      and
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      Ye- hhh.
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      I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do.
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      Um <Pause/>
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      I mean.
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      It doesn't even -
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      Yeah, exactly. That's not really a region.
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      "Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase?"
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      I -
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      So we could take out "North" -
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      And usually here - people here know what is their
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      and - and so <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> would say, "I don't know".
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      I was - I was thinking of something along that line because <Pause/> if you <Emphasis> don't </Emphasis> <Emphasis> know, </Emphasis>
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      it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from <Emphasis> Texas </Emphasis> who was absolutely <Emphasis> sure </Emphasis> that he didn't have any <Emphasis> accent </Emphasis> left.
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      <Emphasis> noticeable </Emphasis> <Emphasis> drawl. </Emphasis>
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      Oh. <Pause/> Yeah. I - I would say more - more <Emphasis> sweepingly, </Emphasis> "how would you characterize your
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      accent?"
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      So you want to change the <Emphasis> instructions </Emphasis> also not just say <Emphasis> region? </Emphasis>
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      So. I was suggesting not having the <Emphasis> options, </Emphasis> just having them -
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      I mean that's what I had <Emphasis> before, </Emphasis> and you told me to list the regions to <Emphasis> list </Emphasis> them.
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      Right. Right.
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      So.
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      What if we put in <Emphasis> both? </Emphasis>
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      And - Would people -
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      huge waste of -
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      of space.
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      O_K.
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      So I mean, I - I mean the way I had it <Emphasis> last </Emphasis> time <Pause/> was Region was blank, it just said Region colon.
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      That's what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> thought.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      And - and <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> think that that's the best way to do it,
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      because - because of the problems we're <Emphasis> talking </Emphasis> about but what we said <Emphasis> last </Emphasis> week, was no, put in a <Emphasis> list, </Emphasis> so I put in a list. So should we go back to -
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      Maybe we can make the list a little smaller.
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      Well, certainly dropping <Emphasis> "Northern </Emphasis>" I think is right, because none of us know what that <Emphasis> is. </Emphasis>
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      Cuz, I mean -
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      And keeping "Other",
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      and then <Pause/> maybe this North Midland, we call it "North Midwest".
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      <Emphasis> South </Emphasis> <Pause/> Midwest, or just -
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      Yes I -
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      <Emphasis> South </Emphasis> <Emphasis> Midwest. </Emphasis>
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      Does that make sense?
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      I - I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> so. Yeah.
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      South Midwest?
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      That would help me - Yeah. Cuz -
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      U- unless you're from Midland, Kansas. But. Yeah.
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      Midland -
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      I don't know where Midland is <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      There's a -
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      Or Midland - Midland -
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      Is "Midwest" one word?
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      Is it Midland -
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      Midland - Midland, <Emphasis> Texas </Emphasis> or Midland, <Emphasis> Kansas? </Emphasis> I forget.
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      Y- yeah, one w-
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      But there's a <Emphasis> town. </Emphasis>
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      Oh.
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      in - in there. I forget what it is <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain>.
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      I don't think that's what they mean.
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      But, yeah. So. <Emphasis> Kansas </Emphasis> would be <Pause/> South Midland. Right?
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      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Y- yeah.
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      And - and wouldn't - Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Southern Midland. <Uncertain NumSyllables="2"> @@ </Uncertain> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So, th-
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      And <Emphasis> Colorado, </Emphasis> right across the <Emphasis> border, </Emphasis> would be
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      <Emphasis> I'm </Emphasis> from <Emphasis> Kansas, </Emphasis>
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      actually.
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      <Emphasis> North </Emphasis> Midland.
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      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Colora- Oh, right. And then, the -
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      And uh -
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      the - dropping North, <Pause/> so it would be
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      Western. It's just one big
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      shebang,
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      where, of course, you have <Emphasis> huge </Emphasis> variation in dialects, but - <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      But you <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> in the others, <Emphasis> too. </Emphasis> So.
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      But that's true of New England too.
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      but so do you - Yeah.
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      So. I mean only one -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Well, I shouldn't <Emphasis> say </Emphasis> that. I have no clue. I was going to say the only one that <Emphasis> doesn't </Emphasis> have a huge variety is New York <Emphasis> City. </Emphasis> But I have no idea whether it does or not.
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      It <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> seem - I mean. I - I would
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      U-
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      think that these categories would be more -
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      w-
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      would be easier for an an- <Emphasis> analyst </Emphasis> to put in rather than the subject himself.
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      I think that - that was what <Emphasis> happened </Emphasis> with TIMIT,
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      was that it <Emphasis> was </Emphasis> an analyst.
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      O_K.
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      Wait a minute. Where does -
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      Yeah, I don't know <Emphasis> how </Emphasis> it came from.
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      Where does -
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      <Pause/> d- w-
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      O_K.
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      Where - Where's - where does uh
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      New - New York west of - west of uh New York City
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      and <Pause/>
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      Pennsylvania <Pause/>
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      uh
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      and uh
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      So. <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> New <Emphasis> England </Emphasis> I think. Yeah.
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      New England
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      N-
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      <Emphasis> No, </Emphasis> it's not.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Oh, no.
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      I sort of thought they were part of the - one of the <Emphasis> Midlands. </Emphasis>
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      Oh no.
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      No, no. <Pause/> No. Pennsylvania is not -
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      "Other", it goes under "Other", definitely under "Other".
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      Well, you know, <Emphasis> Pennsylvania </Emphasis> has a pretty strong <Emphasis> dialect </Emphasis> <Uncertain> and it's </Uncertain> <Emphasis> totally </Emphasis> different than -
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      Pennsylvania - Yeah. Pennsylvania is <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> New England.
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      and uh New <Emphasis> Jersey </Emphasis> is not New England and <Emphasis> Maryland </Emphasis> is not New England and none of those are the <Emphasis> South. </Emphasis>
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      O_K. So.
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      Another suggestion.
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      Yeah.
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      Rather than have circle fill in forms,
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      say "Region, open paren, E_G_ Southern comma Western comma close paren colon."
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      O_K.
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      O_K!
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      That's good.
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      Yeah.
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      Fine by me, fine by me.
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      Sure!
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      I like that.
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2422.997" EndTime="2424.481" Participant="fe016">
      Let's just - And we'll see what we get.
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      Yeah.
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      We're all <Pause/> sufficiently <Pause/> tired of this
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      Be easier on the subjects.
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      that we're <Emphasis> agreeing </Emphasis> with you.
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      I think that's fine.
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      So. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Pause/>
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      No. I think - <Pause/>
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      I like that. I like that.
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      You like it?
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      O_K.
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      Yeah, I do.
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      Good.
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      Actually, maybe we do one non-English one as well.
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      Southern, Cockney?
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      Yeah, and -
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      Yeah.
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      Is that a <Pause/> real accent?
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      Sure, yeah!
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      Yeah.
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      How do you spell it?
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      I think that's fine.
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      Cockney?
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      C_O -
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      N_<Emphasis> E </Emphasis>_Y?
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      Yeah.
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      You could say <Emphasis> Liverpool. </Emphasis> <Comment Description="partly whispered"/>
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      Liverpuddlian.
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      Yeah.
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      Actually, Liverpool doesn't l- Yeah. It's -
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      Alright.
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      Well. Well. I mean, pure -
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      O_K, we'll do it that way. Actually, I like that a lot.
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      O_K.
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      Because that get's at <Emphasis> both </Emphasis> of the things we were trying to do,
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      the granularity,
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      and the person can just self-assess and we don't have to argue about what these regions are.
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      That's right.
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      Yeah.
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      O_K.
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      And it's easy on the subjects.
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      Yep.
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      Now I have one suggestion on the next section.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      So you have native language, you have region,
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      and then you have time spent in English speaking country.
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      Now, I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying "which one
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      paren- <Emphasis> closed </Emphasis> parenthesis". <Comment Description="meaning &quot;which one or ones&quot;"/>
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      Cuz if they spent <Pause/> time in -
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      in Britain <Emphasis> and </Emphasis> America -
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      Yes.
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      It doesn't have to be ex- <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> - at <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> exact, just in the same open field
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      format that you have.
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      Yep, just which one. I think that's fine.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      with a - with an S_ <Comment Description="meaning the letter, not the sound"/> <Pause/>
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      "which one
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      O_K.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      We uh -
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      We done?
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      Yep.
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      Yeah, that's good.
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      O_K.
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      um
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      s- e-
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    <Segment StartTime="2503.950" EndTime="2505.376" Participant="me013">
      Any - any other
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      uh open mike topics or should we go <Pause/> right to the digits?
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    <Segment StartTime="2508.520" EndTime="2511.569" Participant="me011">
      Um, did you guys get my email on the multitrans?
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      That -
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      O_K.
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      Isn't that wonderful! Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2513.900" EndTime="2515.002" Participant="fe008">
      Excellent! Thank you!
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      <Uncertain> I'm s- </Uncertain>
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    <Segment StartTime="2513.915" EndTime="2514.355" Participant="me011">
      Yeah. So.
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    <Segment StartTime="2514.355" EndTime="2518.230" Participant="me011">
      So. I - I have a version <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> which actually <Emphasis> displays </Emphasis> all the channels.
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      I ha- It's really great.
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      But it's hideously slow.
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      So you - this is n- <Emphasis> Dan's </Emphasis> patches, Dan Ellis's patches.
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      The - what - the ones I applied, that you can actually do are Dan's, because it doesn't slow it down.
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      M-
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    <Segment StartTime="2525.780" EndTime="2526.628" Participant="fe008">
      Fantastic!
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      Just uses a lot of memory.
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      So when you say "<Emphasis> slow </Emphasis>", does that mean to -
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      No, the - the one that's installed is fine. It's not slow at all.
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> wrote another version.
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      Which, instead of having the <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> pane with the <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> view,
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      It has <Emphasis> multiple </Emphasis> panes <Pause/> with the views.
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2540.900" EndTime="2541.719" Participant="me011">
      But the <Emphasis> problem </Emphasis> with it
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      that every time you do <Emphasis> anything </Emphasis> it just crawls.
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      Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2548.010" EndTime="2548.899" Participant="me011">
      It's really bad.
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      It's -
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      So, it - it's the redrawing of the w-
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      That's a consideration. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      oh uh-huh,
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      w- as you move.
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      As you <Emphasis> play, </Emphasis> as you <Emphasis> move, </Emphasis> as you <Emphasis> scroll. </Emphasis>
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      Just about <Emphasis> anything, </Emphasis> and it - it was so slow it was not usable.
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      And this'll be a -
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      So that's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it.
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      hav- having the multiwave will be a big help cuz -
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      in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things,
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      Oh <Emphasis> yeah. </Emphasis>
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      that'll be a <Emphasis> big </Emphasis> help.
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      So.
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="lengthened"/>
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      I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> that the one Dan has is usable enough.
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      It doesn't <Emphasis> display </Emphasis> the others. It <Emphasis> displays </Emphasis> just the mixed signal.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      But you can <Emphasis> listen </Emphasis> to any of them.
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      That's excellent. He also has version control which is another nice
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      Yeah.
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      e- so you -
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      No, he <Emphasis> suggested </Emphasis> that, but he didn't -
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      e- the patches that you -
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      <Pause/> It's not installed.
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      Oh, I <Emphasis> thought </Emphasis> it was in one of those <Emphasis> patches. </Emphasis>
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      No.
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      No.
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      Oh O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="2580.103" EndTime="2580.364" Participant="fe008">
      Well.
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      So is there any hope for actually displaying
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      Alright.
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      the wave form?
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      Um, not if we're going to use Tcl-T_K
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      O_K.
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      At least not if we're going to use <Emphasis> Snack. </Emphasis>
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      I mean you would have to do something ourselves. <Comment Description="speech error, pronouns"/>
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      Well, or use the one that crawls.
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      O_K.
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      Well, I'm -
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      I <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> <Emphasis> be </Emphasis> <Emphasis> trying </Emphasis> to <Emphasis> use </Emphasis> <Emphasis> the </Emphasis> - <Comment Description="isochronic, at noticeably slower tempo"/>
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      whatever's <Emphasis> there. </Emphasis> And
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      Why don't we - we <Emphasis> see </Emphasis> how Dan's works and if it -
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      it's useful to have the -
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="lengthened"/>
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      If we really need the display -
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      I mean.
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      I wonder - I'm just wondering if we can <Emphasis> display </Emphasis> things other than the <Emphasis> wave </Emphasis> form. So. Suppose we have a <Emphasis> feature </Emphasis> -
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      And it's just, you know, a - a
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      Yeah.
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      uni-dimensional feature,
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      varying in time.
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      And we want to plot <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> instead of the whole wave form.
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      I mean.
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      Yeah.
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      That might be faster. Right? So.
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    <Segment StartTime="2621.123" EndTime="2621.613" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2621.930" EndTime="2623.780" Participant="me011">
      We - we could <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that but that would mean changing
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      the code.
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      I mean this isn't a program <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> wrote.
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      Yeah.
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      This is a program that we got from someone else,
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      O_K.
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      and we've done <Emphasis> patches </Emphasis> on.
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      O_K.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah.
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      Well, I'll talk to you about it and we can see but
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      Cou-
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      So.
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      Yeah.
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      i- e-
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      I mean, y-
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      it's <Emphasis> definitely </Emphasis> <Pause/> great to have the other one. That's -
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      If there was some -
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      Is there some <Emphasis> way </Emphasis> to <Pause/> have someone write
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      patches
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      in something faster and -
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      and -
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      link it <Emphasis> in, </Emphasis> or something? Or is that -
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      Not easily. I mean y- <Emphasis> yes </Emphasis> we could <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that. You could - you can write
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      widgets in C_.
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    <Segment StartTime="2647.260" EndTime="2647.652" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      And try to do it that way but I just don't think -
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      <Pause/> so it's likely that this - this may be entered into the ch- this central
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      <Pause/> a useful thing for <Emphasis> us. </Emphasis>
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      <Pause/> This one that
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      <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> have the status of
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      <Pause/> widgets that are <Emphasis> very </Emphasis> useful for their purpose and that you don't need to
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      anyway, shall we do digits?
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      Yeah. Let's do digits,
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      uh, and then we'll turn off the mikes, and then I have one other thing to discuss.
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      Um.
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      I mean <Pause/> I had to leave at three thirty, <Comment Description="time now is three thirty-six"/>
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      Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just <Emphasis> skip </Emphasis> digits?
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