ICSI_original_transcripts/transcripts/Bmr005.mrt

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      me001 read digits, but didn't speak otherwise. He left early.
   mn017 left early.
   
   Some transient (impulsive) noise seems to occur on channel 5.
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      So.
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      <Emphasis> O_K </Emphasis>. Doesn't look like it crashed. That's great.
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      So I think maybe what's causing it to crash is I keep starting it and then stopping it to see if it's working. And so I think starting it and then stopping it and starting it again causes it to crash.
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      So, I won't do that anymore. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      And it looks like you've found a way of uh mapping the location to the - without having people have to give their names each time?
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      Sounds like an initialization thing.
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      I mean it's like you have the - So you know that -
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      No. <Comment Description="lengthened"/>
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      I mean, are you going to write down <Pause/> that I sat here?
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      I'm gonna collect the digit forms and write it down.
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      O_K.
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      Oh, O_K.
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      So - <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain> So they <Emphasis> should </Emphasis> be right
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      with what's on the digit forms.
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      O_K, so I'll go ahead and start with digits.
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      And I should say that uh, you just pau- you just read each line an- and then pause briefly.
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      So uh, you see, Don, the unbridled excitement of the work that we have on this project. <Comment Description="humor"/> It's just uh -
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      Uh,
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      And I'm surprised I sort of - I'm surprised I <Emphasis> forgot </Emphasis> that, but uh I think that would be a good thing to add.
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      Yeah, I - I'd - I think it's <Uncertain> some- </Uncertain>
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      Yeah, well, that's -
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      Um, so I - I do have a - a- an agenda suggestion.
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      Uh, we - I think the things that we talk about in this meeting
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      we spent much of the time talking about the mundane stuff cuz that's easier to get out of the way and then we sort of drifted into the research and maybe five minutes into that Andreas had to leave.
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      Um, so um
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      the one th- one thing I <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> that we have on that is uh we had talked a - a couple weeks before um
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      uh about the uh - the stuff you were doing with - with uh
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      I think, you know, what <Emphasis> we </Emphasis> had meant by "events" I guess was uh
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      But I th- I gather from our discussion a little earlier today that you <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> mean
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      Yes?
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      Uh-huh. Yeah.
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      You mean that as an event also.
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      So <Uncertain> at any rate </Uncertain> you were - you've - you've done some work on that and um
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      then the other thing would be it might be nice to have a preliminary discussion of some of the other uh research
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      Um, I think
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      uh and <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> of the things I know that <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> came up uh is some discussions that - that uh - that uh Jane had with Lokendra
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      Oh. Sure.
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      So, uh.
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      Uh. <Pause/> Well, I don't know if we - if this is sort of like everybody has something to contribute sort of thing, I think there's just just a couple - a couple people primarily um but um
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      O_K. Shall I - shall I just start? O_K.
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      Yeah, just explain what it was.
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      Now, how would you interpret that without a lot of inference? So, the inferences that are involved are things like, O_K, so, how do you interpret "ahead of the game"?
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      You know.
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      Well, I - I should maybe interject to say this started off with a discussion that I had with him, so
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and see, is there <Emphasis> anything </Emphasis> to this at <Emphasis> all? </Emphasis>
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      Is there any point which you think that, you know, you could gain some advantage and some potential use for it. Cuz it <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> be that you'd look through it and you say "well, this is just the wrong <Pause/> task for - for him to pursue his -" <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/>
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      Wrong, yeah.
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      And - and uh I <Emphasis> got </Emphasis> the impression from your mail that in fact there was enough things like this just in the little sample that - that you looked at that - that it's <Emphasis> plausible </Emphasis> at least.
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      It's possible. Uh, he was - he - he - you know - We met and he was gonna go and uh you know, y- look through them more systematically and then uh meet <Emphasis> again. </Emphasis> So it's, you know, not a matter of a -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      But, yeah, I think -
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      So <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> that's - that's e- a quite different thing from anything we've talked about that, you know, might - might - might come out from some of this.
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      But he can use text, basically.
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      I mean, he's talking about just using text <Pause/> pretty much, or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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      That's his major -
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      I mentioned several that w- had to do with implications drawn from intonational contours and <Pause/> that wasn't as directly relevant to what he's doing.
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      O_K.
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      He's interested in these - these knowledge structures, inferences that you draw <Pause/> i- from -
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      Yeah, interesting.
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      I mean, he certainly could use text, but we were in fact looking to see if there - is there - is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in - in - in this stuff. So.
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      And I imagine that transcripts of speech - I mean text that is speech - probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing. I - I don't know whether it would or not, but it <Emphasis> seems </Emphasis> like it would.
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      I don't know, probably de- probably depends on what the prepared writing was. But.
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      Yeah, I don't think I would make that leap, because i- in narratives, you know - I mean, if you spell out everything in a narrative, it can be really tedious, so.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah, I'm just thinking, you know, when you're - when you're face to face, you have a lot of backchannel and -
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      <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis> <Emphasis> That </Emphasis> aspect.
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      And -
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      Yeah. And so I think it's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping
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      Well -
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      Yeah.
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      I might not <Emphasis> realize </Emphasis> that he was talking about <Emphasis> disk </Emphasis> space as opposed to anything else.
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      I - you know, I - I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them. This - this one really does um m- make you leap from - So he said, you know, "we're ahead of the game, w- we have built-in downsampling".
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      Uh-huh.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And the inference, i- if you had it written down, would be -
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      I guess it would be the same.
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      Uh-huh. But there are others that have backchanneling, it's just he was less interested in those.
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      Can I -
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      Sorry to interrupt. Um,
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      A minute - uh, several minutes ago, I, like, briefly was - was not listening and -
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      So who is "<Emphasis> he </Emphasis>" in this context?
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      Yeah, there's a lot of pronoun -
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      O_K.
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      So I was just realizing we've - You guys have been talking about "he" um
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      <Uncertain> I believe it. </Uncertain>
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      for at least uh, I don't know, three -
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      three four minutes without ever mentioning the person's <Emphasis> name </Emphasis> again.
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      Yeah.
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      So this is - this is -
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      Actually to make it <Emphasis> worse, </Emphasis> <Comment Description="voice louder due to overlap"/>
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      It's in my notes. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      this is - gonna be a big, big problem if you want to <Emphasis> later </Emphasis> do uh, you know, indexing, or
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      uh, Morgan uses "you" and "you" <Pause/> with gaze and <Emphasis> no </Emphasis> identification, or -
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      I just wrote this down. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah, actually. Cuz Morgan will say well, "<Emphasis> you </Emphasis> had some ideas" and he never said Li- He looked -
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      You just wrote this? <Comment Description="to [fe016]"/>
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Well, I think he's doing that <Emphasis> intentionally, </Emphasis> aren't you?
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      Right, so it's great. So this is really great because the <Emphasis> thing </Emphasis> is, because he's looking at the per- even for addressees <Emphasis> in </Emphasis> the conversation, I bet you could pick that up in the acoustics. Just because your gaze is also correlated with the directionality of your voice. <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Uh-huh. Could be. Yeah. That would be tou-
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      Can we-
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      Oh, <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> would be <Emphasis> interesting. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah, so that, I mean, to even know um when -
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      Yeah, if you have the P_Z_Ms you should be able to pick up
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      what a person is looking at
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      Well, <Emphasis> especially </Emphasis> with <Emphasis> Morgan, </Emphasis> with the way we have the microphones arranged. I'm sort of right on axis and it would be very hard to tell.
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      Right. Put Morgan always like this and -
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      Uh.
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      Oh, but you'd have the -
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      You'd have fainter - Wouldn't you get fainter reception out here?
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      Well, these -
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      Sure, but I think if I'm talking like <Emphasis> this? </Emphasis>
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      Right now I'm looking at <Emphasis> Jane </Emphasis> and talking, now I'm looking at <Emphasis> Chuck </Emphasis> and talking, I don't think the microphones would pick up that difference. <Comment Description="while smiling"/>
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      I see.
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      So if I'm talking at <Emphasis> you, </Emphasis> or I'm talking at <Emphasis> you. </Emphasis> <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      I probably been affect- No, I th- I think I've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about - and concerns about "oh gee is somebody going to say something bad?" and so on.
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      And so I - so I'm - I'm tending to stay away from people's names even though uh -
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      And we <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> <Emphasis> mention </Emphasis> who "he" <Emphasis> was. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Early in the conversation.
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      Yeah.
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      Right, but I missed it. But - it was uh -
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      Yeah, yeah.
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      Yeah. Yeah. No no, there's - No no, it isn't sensitive at all. I was just -
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      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Well -
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      I was just - I was overreacting just because we've been talking about it. It's O_K to -
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      No, but that - it's interesting.
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      You know, I asked her very specifically about this clause of how, um, you know, it says "no individuals will be identified <Pause/> uh, "in any publication using the data." O_K, well, individuals being identified, let's say you have a - a snippet that says,
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      b- But I -
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      whose name was just mentioned a moment ago, can be sensitive. So I think it's really - really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to because if there's a slanderous aspect to it, then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove?
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      Yeah, well, there's that.
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      But I - I mean I think also to some extent it's just educating the Human Subjects people, in a <Emphasis> way, </Emphasis> because there's -
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      If uh - You know, there's court transcripts, there's - there's transcripts of radio shows - <Comment Description="aborted list"/> I mean people say people's names all the time.
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      So I think it - it can't be bad to say people's names.
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      It's just that - i- I mean you're right that there's more poten- If we never say anybody's name,
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      then there's no chance of - of - of slandering anybody, but -
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      But, then it won't - I mean, if we - if we - Yeah. I mean we should do whatever's natural in a meeting if - if we weren't being recorded.
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      It's not a meeting.
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      Yeah.
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      Right, so I - So my behavior is probably not natural. So. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Well, my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it, you know.
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      Well, if you ha- since you have to um
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    <Segment StartTime="1055.485" EndTime="1058.828" Participant="mn017">
      go over the transcripts later <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> you could make it one of the
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      jobs of the <Pause/> people who <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that to mark u-
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    <Segment StartTime="1061.059" EndTime="1067.580" Participant="me011">
      Well, we t- we t- we <Emphasis> talked </Emphasis> about this during the anon- anonymization. If we wanna go through and extract from the
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      Right.
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      audio and the written every time someone says a name.
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      And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that.
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    <Segment StartTime="1074.069" EndTime="1079.164" Participant="me013">
      Yeah, we really can't. But a- actually, I'm sorry. I really would like to push - finish this off. So it's -
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    <Segment StartTime="1077.221" EndTime="1083.193" Participant="fe008">
      I understand. No I just - I just was suggesting that it's not a bad policy p- potentially. So, we need to talk about this later.
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    <Segment StartTime="1083.334" EndTime="1085.822" Participant="me013">
      Yeah, I di- I didn't <Emphasis> intend </Emphasis> it an a policy though.
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    <Segment StartTime="1085.822" EndTime="1090.620" Participant="me013">
      It was - it was just it was just unconscious - well, semi-conscious behavior. I sorta knew I was doing it but it was -
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      Uh-huh.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1089.096" EndTime="1090.756" Participant="mn017">
      Well, I <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> don't know who "he" <Emphasis> is. </Emphasis>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> No, you have to say, you still don't know who "<Emphasis> he </Emphasis>" is, with <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> prosody.
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      I - I do- I don't <Emphasis> remember </Emphasis> who "he" is. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Ah. Uh, we were talking about Dan at one point <Comment Description="rising"/> and we were talking about Lokendra at another point. And I don't - I don't remember which - which part. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Oh.
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      Yeah, depends on which one you mean. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1102.410" EndTime="1104.531" Participant="fe016">
      It's ambiguous, so it's O_K. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1104.912" EndTime="1105.601" Participant="me013">
      Uh, I think -
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    <Segment StartTime="1105.294" EndTime="1107.642" Participant="me011">
      Well, the inference structures was Lokendra.
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    <Segment StartTime="1105.705" EndTime="1109.835" Participant="mn017">
      But no. The inference stuff was - was - was Lokendra. O_K. That makes sense, yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1108.642" EndTime="1110.180" Participant="me013">
      Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1111.217" EndTime="1113.539" Participant="fe016">
      And the downsampling must have been Dan. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1111.233" EndTime="1111.705" Participant="me013">
      Um -
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    <Segment StartTime="1111.769" EndTime="1112.199" Participant="mn017">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1113.148" EndTime="1114.759" Participant="me011">
      Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1114.215" EndTime="1118.798" Participant="me013">
      <Uncertain> Good - </Uncertain> Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah, you could do all these inferences, yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1114.863" EndTime="1116.927" Participant="fe016">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> It's an inference. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1116.822" EndTime="1117.385" Participant="me011">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1116.927" EndTime="1119.163" Participant="fe016">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1117.026" EndTime="1118.105" Participant="mn005">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1118.798" EndTime="1120.035" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1118.944" EndTime="1121.370" Participant="mn017">
      <VocalSound Description="yawn"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1120.035" EndTime="1127.029" Participant="me013">
      Um, I - I would like to move it into - into uh what Jose uh has been doing because he's actually been doing something. So.
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    <Segment StartTime="1124.491" EndTime="1125.052" Participant="fe008">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1125.433" EndTime="1125.919" Participant="mn005">
      Uh-huh.
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    <Segment StartTime="1127.012" EndTime="1131.137" Participant="mn005">
      O_K. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Well- <Comment Description="while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1127.029" EndTime="1129.792" Participant="me013">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1127.456" EndTime="1128.353" Participant="me018">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1128.013" EndTime="1130.489" Participant="mn017">
      As opposed to the <Emphasis> rest </Emphasis> of us. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1129.792" EndTime="1130.369" Participant="me013">
      Right. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1131.137" EndTime="1144.551" Participant="mn005">
      O_K. I - I remind that me - my first objective eh, in the project is to - to study difference parameters to - to find a - a good solution to detect eh, the overlapping zone in eh speech recorded.
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    <Segment StartTime="1144.551" EndTime="1146.447" Participant="mn005">
      But eh, <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> tsk, <Comment Description="vocal gesture"/> <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> ehhh <Comment Description="outbreath as vocal gesture of difficulty"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1146.447" EndTime="1148.531" Participant="mn005">
      In that way <Comment Description="while laughing"/> I -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1149.069" EndTime="1149.627" Participant="mn005">
      I -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1150.145" EndTime="1162.623" Participant="mn005">
      I begin to - to study and to analyze the ehn - the recorded speech eh the different session to - to find and to locate and to mark eh the - the different overlapping zone.
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      <VocalSound Description="yawn"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1163.392" EndTime="1175.458" Participant="mn005">
      And eh so eh I was eh - I am transcribing the - the first session and I - I have found eh, eh one thousand acoustic events,
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    <Segment StartTime="1175.458" EndTime="1179.113" Participant="mn005">
      eh <Emphasis> besides </Emphasis> the overlapping zones,
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    <Segment StartTime="1179.113" EndTime="1186.559" Participant="mn005">
      eh I - I - I mean the eh breaths eh aspiration eh, eh, <Uncertain> talk </Uncertain> eh, eh, clap, eh - <Comment Description="abandoned list"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1186.559" EndTime="1191.513" Participant="mn005">
      I don't know what is the different names eh you use to - to name the - the <Pause/> n-
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    <Segment StartTime="1190.959" EndTime="1192.392" Participant="me018">
      Nonspeech sounds?
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      speech
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    <Segment StartTime="1192.597" EndTime="1193.245" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1192.976" EndTime="1195.856" Participant="me011">
      Oh, I don't think we've been doing it at that level of detail.
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    <Segment StartTime="1195.856" EndTime="1196.255" Participant="me011">
      So.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1196.483" EndTime="1197.133" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1197.133" EndTime="1201.118" Participant="mn005">
      Eh, <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> I - I - I do- I don't need to - to - to mmm <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> - to m-
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    <Segment StartTime="1201.118" EndTime="1204.158" Participant="mn005">
      to label the - the different acoustic, but I prefer because eh
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    <Segment StartTime="1204.158" EndTime="1207.034" Participant="mn005">
      I would like to - to study if eh, I -
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    <Segment StartTime="1207.034" EndTime="1221.140" Participant="mn005">
      I will find eh, eh, a good eh parameters eh to detect overlapping I would like to - to - to test these parameters eh with the - another eh, eh acoustic events,
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    <Segment StartTime="1221.140" EndTime="1240.752" Participant="mn005">
      to nnn - <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> to eh - to find what is the ehm - the <Pronounce> false  </Pronounce> - eh, the false eh hypothesis eh, nnn, which eh are produced when we use the - the ehm - this eh parameter - eh I mean pitch eh, eh, difference eh, feature -
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    <Segment StartTime="1226.499" EndTime="1227.071" Participant="me011">
      Mm-hmm.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1238.890" EndTime="1243.130" Participant="mn017">
      <VocalSound Description="yawn"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1239.747" EndTime="1240.003" Participant="me018">
      You know -
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    <Segment StartTime="1240.103" EndTime="1240.751" Participant="me011">
      So it was -
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      I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events
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    <Segment StartTime="1241.421" EndTime="1242.171" Participant="me011">
      Umh. <Comment Description="abandoned plan to speak"/>
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      may be difficult even for <Emphasis> humans </Emphasis> to tell that there's two there.
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    <Segment StartTime="1249.476" EndTime="1249.926" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1251.012" EndTime="1258.873" Participant="me018">
      I mean, if it's a tapping sound, you wouldn't necessarily - or, you know, something like that, it'd be - it might be hard to know that it was two separate events.
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    <Segment StartTime="1251.019" EndTime="1251.497" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1252.347" EndTime="1252.746" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1254.634" EndTime="1255.447" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1256.957" EndTime="1257.376" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1257.188" EndTime="1257.637" Participant="me011">
      Well -
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      You weren't talking about just <Emphasis> overlaps </Emphasis> were you? You were just talking about acoustic <Emphasis> events. </Emphasis>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Ye-
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1263.111" EndTime="1264.543" Participant="mn005">
      I - I - I - I t- I t-
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      Someone starts, someone stops - <Comment Description="aborted list"/>
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      I talk eh about eh acoustic events in general,
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    <Segment StartTime="1267.214" EndTime="1267.566" Participant="me011">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1267.572" EndTime="1273.354" Participant="mn005">
      but eh my - my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone.
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    <Segment StartTime="1267.793" EndTime="1268.406" Participant="me018">
      Oh.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1271.677" EndTime="1272.126" Participant="me011">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1274.302" EndTime="1274.885" Participant="mn005">
      Eh? <Comment Description="meaning &quot;clear?&quot;"/>
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      How many overlaps were there uh in it?
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    <Segment StartTime="1274.885" EndTime="1275.440" Participant="mn005">
      n-
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    <Segment StartTime="1277.038" EndTime="1282.939" Participant="mn005">
      Eh in twelve minutes I found eh, eh one thousand acoustic events.
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    <Segment StartTime="1282.653" EndTime="1285.407" Participant="me013">
      No no, how <Pronounce> many  </Pronounce> of them were the overlaps of speech, though?
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    <Segment StartTime="1285.297" EndTime="1293.597" Participant="mn005">
      How many? Eh almost eh three hundred eh in one session in five - eh in forty-five minutes.
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    <Segment StartTime="1289.631" EndTime="1290.892" Participant="me011">
      Oh, God!
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1291.658" EndTime="1292.739" Participant="me011">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh, ingressive"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1294.368" EndTime="1294.894" Participant="me011">
      Ugh. <Comment Description="interjection of dread"/>
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      Three hundred overlapping speech -
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    <Segment StartTime="1294.812" EndTime="1297.160" Participant="mn005">
      Alm- Three <Pronounce Pronunciation="reduced"> hundred  </Pronounce> overlapping zone.
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      Overlapping speech.
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    <Segment StartTime="1298.132" EndTime="1302.788" Participant="mn005">
      With the overlapping zone, overlapping speech - speech what eh different duration.
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    <Segment StartTime="1303.261" EndTime="1303.772" Participant="me013">
      Sure.
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    <Segment StartTime="1303.272" EndTime="1303.719" Participant="me018">
      Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="1303.892" EndTime="1308.416" Participant="fe008">
      Does this - ? So if you had an overlap involving three people, how many times was that counted?
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    <Segment StartTime="1309.023" EndTime="1318.659" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah, three people, two people. Eh, um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background, be-
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    <Segment StartTime="1318.428" EndTime="1328.630" Participant="me013">
      No no, but I think what she's asking is <Pause/> if at some particular for some particular stretch you had <Emphasis> three </Emphasis> people talking, instead of <Emphasis> two, </Emphasis> did you call that <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> event?
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    <Segment StartTime="1326.675" EndTime="1327.085" Participant="mn005">
      Oh.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1329.833" EndTime="1330.230" Participant="mn005">
      Oh.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1330.481" EndTime="1330.917" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      I consider one event eh for th- for that eh for <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the zone.
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      This - th-
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      Well -
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      I - I - I con- I consider - I consider eh an acoustic event, the overlapping zone, the period where three speaker or eh - are talking together.
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      So let's -
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      For-
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    <Segment StartTime="1338.704" EndTime="1339.163" Participant="me011">
      Umh. <Comment Description="abandoned plan to speak"/>
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      So let's say me and Jane are talking at the same time, and then Liz starts talking <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> over all of us. How many events would <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> be?
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    <Segment StartTime="1355.922" EndTime="1356.934" Participant="mn005">
      So- I don't understand.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1356.902" EndTime="1358.518" Participant="me011">
      So, <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> people are talking, <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      Yeah?
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      and then a <Emphasis> third </Emphasis> person starts talking. Is there an event right here?
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    <Segment StartTime="1360.728" EndTime="1361.522" Participant="mn017">
      Hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="1362.108" EndTime="1362.849" Participant="mn005">
      Eh no.
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    <Segment StartTime="1362.849" EndTime="1363.314" Participant="mn005">
      No no.
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      For me is the overlapping zone, because -
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      So i- if two or more people are talking.
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      I see.
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    <Segment StartTime="1366.145" EndTime="1369.788" Participant="mn005">
      because you - you have s- you have more one - eh,
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      more one voice eh, eh produced in a - in - in a moment.
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    <Segment StartTime="1372.137" EndTime="1372.455" Participant="me013">
      O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="1373.392" EndTime="1376.733" Participant="me013">
      Yeah. So I think - Yeah. We just wanted to understand how you're defining it. So then,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1374.902" EndTime="1375.359" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      If-
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      in the region between - since there - there is some continuous region,
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      in <Emphasis> between </Emphasis> regions where there is only one person speaking. And one contiguous region like that you're calling an event.
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      Uh-huh.
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    <Segment StartTime="1386.959" EndTime="1387.890" Participant="mn005">
      Uh-huh. Yeah.
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      Is it - Are you calling the <Emphasis> beginning </Emphasis> or the <Emphasis> end </Emphasis> of it the event, <Comment Description="rising"/> or are you calling the entire <Emphasis> length </Emphasis> of it the event?
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      I consider the - the, nnn - the nnn, nnn - eh, the <Pronounce> entirety  </Pronounce> eh,
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      eh, all - all the time there were - the voice has overlapped.
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    <Segment StartTime="1402.155" EndTime="1402.677" Participant="me013">
      O_K.
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      This is the idea.
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      But eh I - I don't <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;disting&quot;"> distinguish  </Pronounce> between the - the numbers of eh speaker.
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      Uh, I'm not considering <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> eh the - the - ehm
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      eh, the fact of eh, eh, for example, what did you say?
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      Eh at first eh, eh two talkers are uh, eh speaking,
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      and eh, eh a third person eh join to - to that.
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      For me, it's eh - it's eh, all overlap zone,
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      Wi- but - uh, without any mark between the zone -
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      of the overlapping zone with two speakers eh speaking together,
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      and the zone with the three speakers. It -
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      That would j- just be one.
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      One. One.
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      O_K.
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      Eh, with eh, a beginning mark and the ending mark.
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      Got it.
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      Because eh <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> for me, is the -
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      is the zone with eh some kind of eh distortion the spectral. I don't mind - By the <Emphasis> moment, </Emphasis> by the <Emphasis> moment. </Emphasis> I - I don't -
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      Well, but -
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      But you could imagine that three people talking has a different spectral characteristic than <Emphasis> two. </Emphasis> So.
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      Yeah, but eh - but eh I have to study. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      <Emphasis> Could. </Emphasis>
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      You had to start somewhere.
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    <Segment StartTime="1469.457" EndTime="1470.569" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      What will <Uncertain> happen in a </Uncertain> general way, I - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      We just w-
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      So there's a lot of overlap. So.
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    <Segment StartTime="1471.622" EndTime="1472.059" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="1472.588" EndTime="1475.035" Participant="mn005">
      I don't <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> what eh will - will happen with the -
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      That's a lot of overlap, yeah, for forty-five minutes.
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      So again, that's - that's three - three hundred in forty-five minutes that are - that are <Emphasis> speakers, </Emphasis> just speakers.
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      <Uncertain> Yeah? </Uncertain>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      But a - a - a th-
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      Uh-<Emphasis> huh. </Emphasis> O_K. Yeah. So that's about eight per minute.
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    <Segment StartTime="1481.697" EndTime="1482.649" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah, <Pause/> but -
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      But a thousand events in twelve minutes, that's -
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    <Segment StartTime="1486.250" EndTime="1486.647" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1487.514" EndTime="1488.103" Participant="me013">
      Uh.
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      But that can include taps.
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      But -
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      Well, but a thousand <Emphasis> taps </Emphasis> in eight minutes is a l- in twelve minutes is a lot. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      <Emphasis> General. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="1489.272" EndTime="1489.589" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      Actually -
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      I - I con- I consider -
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      I consider acoustic events eh, the silent too.
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      Silent.
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      Silence starting or silence ending - <Comment Description="aborted list"/>
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      Yeah, silent, <Uncertain> ground </Uncertain> to - bec-
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      to detect - eh because I consider acoustic event all the things are not eh speech.
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      Oh, O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="1507.916" EndTime="1508.309" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Oh.
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      In ge- in - in - in a general point of view.
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      Oh.
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      O_K, so how many of those thousand were silence?
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      Alright.
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      in the per- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Too much speech. <Comment Description="echoes utterance while laughing"/>
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      Right.
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      So how many of those thousand were silence, silent sections?
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="acknowledging [me013]"/>
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      Uh silent, I - I - I -
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      I don't - I - I <Emphasis> haven't </Emphasis> the -
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      eh I - I would like to - to do a stylistic
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      study and give you
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    <Segment StartTime="1526.666" EndTime="1526.976" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1529.483" EndTime="1531.905" Participant="mn005">
      eh with the report eh from eh
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    <Segment StartTime="1529.529" EndTime="1529.799" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1531.905" EndTime="1533.705" Participant="mn005">
      the - the study from the -
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      the - the session - <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> session.
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      And I - I found that eh another thing.
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      When eh <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> eh I w- I - <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      I was eh look at eh nnn, the difference speech file,
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      um, for example, eh if eh we use the ehm - the mixed file, to - to transcribe,
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      the - the events and the words,
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      I - I saw that eh the eh speech signal, collected by the eh this kind of mike - eh of this kind of mike,
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      eh are different
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      Yep.
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      from the eh mixed signal
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      eh, we eh - collected by headphone. And -
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      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1573.296" EndTime="1573.646" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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      It's right. But the problem is <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> the following. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      The - the - the - <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      I - I - I knew that eh the signal eh, eh would be different, but eh
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      the - the problem is eh, eh we eh detected eh difference events in the speech file eh collected by - by that mike
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      uh qui- compared with the mixed file.
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      Well -
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      And so if - when you transcribe eh only eh using the nnn - the mixed file,
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      it's possible - eh if you use the transcription
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      to evaluate a different system,
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      it's possible you
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      eh - in the eh i-
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      and you use the eh speech file collected by the eh <Uncertain> fet </Uncertain> mike,
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      to eh - to nnn -
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      to do the experiments <Pause/> with the - the system,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Right.
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      its possible to evaluate eh, eh - or to consider eh acoustic events that -
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      which you marked eh in the mixed file,
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      but eh they don't appear in the eh speech signal eh collected by the - by the mike.
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      Right.
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      The - the reason that I generated the mixed file was for
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      I_B_M to do <Emphasis> word </Emphasis> level transcription, not speech event transcription.
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1644.909" EndTime="1647.824" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah. Oh, it's a good idea. It's a good idea I think.
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      So I agree that if someone wants to do <Emphasis> speech </Emphasis> event transcription, that
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    <Segment StartTime="1651.427" EndTime="1651.886" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      the mixed signals here - I mean, if I'm tapping on the <Emphasis> table, </Emphasis> you- it's not gonna show up on <Emphasis> any </Emphasis> of the <Emphasis> mikes, </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
    </Segment>
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      but it's gonna show up <Emphasis> rather </Emphasis> <Emphasis> loudly </Emphasis> in the P_Z_M. So. <Comment Description="while smiling"/>
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      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1658.578" EndTime="1659.018" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      So and I - I -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> I say eh that eh,
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      eh, or this eh only because eh I c- I - I -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> in my opinion,
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      it's necessary to eh - to eh - to put the transcription on the speech file,
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      collected by the objective signal.
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      I mean the - the - the signal collected by the -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      eh, the real mike in the future, in the prototype
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      Mm-hmm.
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      The - the - the far-field, yeah.
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      to - to eh correct
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      the initial eh segmentation
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      eh with the eh real speech you have to - to analyze - you have to - to process.
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      Because I - I found a difference.
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      Yeah, well, just - I mean, just in that - that one s-
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      Mm-hmm.
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      ten second, or whatever it was, example that Adam had that - that we - we passed on to others a few months ago,
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      there was that business where I g- I guess it was Adam and Jane were talking at the same time and -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and uh,
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      in the close-talking mikes you couldn't hear the overlap,
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      and in the distant mike you <Emphasis> could. </Emphasis> So
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      yeah, it's clear that if you wanna study -
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      That's <Emphasis> good. </Emphasis>
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      if you wanna find all the places where there were overlap, it's probably better to use a distant mike. On the other hand,
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      there's <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> phenomena that are going on at the same time for which it might be useful to look at the <Emphasis> close-talking </Emphasis> mikes, so it's -
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      Yeah.
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      But <Emphasis> why </Emphasis> can't you use the <Emphasis> combination </Emphasis> of the close-talking mikes, <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> aligned?
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      If you use the combination of the close-talking mikes, you <Emphasis> would </Emphasis> hear Jane <Emphasis> interrupting </Emphasis> me, but you wouldn't hear the <Emphasis> paper </Emphasis> rustling.
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      And so if you're interested in -
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      Some <Comment Description="lengthened"/> of it's masking - masked.
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      I - I mean if you're interested in speakers overlapping other speakers and not the other kinds of nonspeech, that's not a problem, right?
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    <Segment StartTime="1747.847" EndTime="1748.337" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1753.463" EndTime="1753.862" Participant="me013">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1754.602" EndTime="1755.056" Participant="me011">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1755.472" EndTime="1756.020" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      Although the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> issue is that the <Pause/> mixed close-talking mikes - I mean, I'm doing weird normalizations and things like that.
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1761.895" EndTime="1767.341" Participant="fe016">
      But it's known. I mean, the normalization you do is over the whole conversation isn't it, over the whole meeting.
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    <Segment StartTime="1762.918" EndTime="1763.443" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1766.020" EndTime="1766.456" Participant="me011">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1767.009" EndTime="1767.549" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
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      <VocalSound Description="cough-breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1769.614" EndTime="1773.065" Participant="fe016">
      So if you wanted to study people overlapping people, that's not a problem.
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    <Segment StartTime="1772.833" EndTime="1773.389" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1772.840" EndTime="1773.510" Participant="me011">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1775.859" EndTime="1778.650" Participant="mn005">
      I - I - I think eh <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> - I saw the nnn - the -
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    <Segment StartTime="1778.650" EndTime="1782.883" Participant="mn005">
      eh but eh I eh - I have eh any results.
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    <Segment StartTime="1783.170" EndTime="1788.075" Participant="mn005">
      I - I - I saw the - the speech file collected by eh the <Uncertain> fet </Uncertain> mike,
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    <Segment StartTime="1788.449" EndTime="1794.489" Participant="mn005">
      and eh eh signal eh to eh - to noise eh relation is eh low.
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    <Segment StartTime="1794.646" EndTime="1795.390" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1794.744" EndTime="1800.891" Participant="mn005">
      It's low. It's very low. You would comp- if we compare it with eh the headphone. And
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    <Segment StartTime="1799.499" EndTime="1799.937" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="1800.891" EndTime="1801.291" Participant="mn005">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1802.044" EndTime="1805.640" Participant="mn005">
      I - I found that nnn - that eh, <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> ehm,
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    <Segment StartTime="1802.081" EndTime="1802.967" Participant="me011">
      Did - Did you k-
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    <Segment StartTime="1805.640" EndTime="1806.358" Participant="mn005">
      pr- <Emphasis> probably, </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="1806.358" EndTime="1810.049" Participant="mn005">
      I'm not sure eh by the moment, but it's - it's <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> that eh
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    <Segment StartTime="1810.049" EndTime="1813.644" Participant="mn005">
      a lot of eh, <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> eh for example, in the overlapping zone,
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    <Segment StartTime="1813.896" EndTime="1817.298" Participant="mn005">
      on eh - in - in several eh parts of the files
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    <Segment StartTime="1817.578" EndTime="1819.916" Participant="mn005">
      where you - you can find eh, eh
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1820.174" EndTime="1826.954" Participant="mn005">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> eh, smooth eh eh speech eh from eh one eh eh talker
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    <Segment StartTime="1826.455" EndTime="1827.634" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="1826.954" EndTime="1828.091" Participant="mn005">
      in the - in the meeting, <Comment Description="rising"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1828.406" EndTime="1830.565" Participant="mn005">
      it's probably in - in that eh -
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    <Segment StartTime="1830.565" EndTime="1837.105" Participant="mn005">
      in - in those files you - you can not find - you can not process because eh it's confused with - with noise.
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    <Segment StartTime="1837.149" EndTime="1837.589" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1837.817" EndTime="1842.437" Participant="mn005">
      And there are <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> a lot of <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> - I think. But I have to study with more detail.
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      But eh my idea is to - to process only <Pause/> nnn, this eh - nnn, this kind of s- of eh speech.
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1848.004" EndTime="1851.893" Participant="mn005">
      Because I think it's more realistic. I'm not sure it's a good idea, but eh - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1852.109" EndTime="1852.558" Participant="me013">
      No - i-
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    <Segment StartTime="1852.130" EndTime="1856.290" Participant="me011">
      Well, it's more realistic but it'll - it'll be a lot harder. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1854.470" EndTime="1855.779" Participant="mn005">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1854.523" EndTime="1857.815" Participant="me013">
      Well, it'd be hard, but on the other hand as you point out, if your - if i-
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    <Segment StartTime="1857.815" EndTime="1867.362" Participant="me013">
      if - if your concern is to get uh the overlapping people - people's speech, you will - you will get that somewhat better. Um,
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    <Segment StartTime="1860.539" EndTime="1861.649" Participant="mn017">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1864.470" EndTime="1864.950" Participant="mn005">
      Mm-hmm. Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1867.924" EndTime="1875.017" Participant="me013">
      Are you making any use - uh you were - you were working with th- the data that had already been <Emphasis> transcribed. </Emphasis>
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1874.915" EndTime="1876.105" Participant="mn005">
      With - By Jane.
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    <Segment StartTime="1875.017" EndTime="1876.172" Participant="me013">
      Does it uh -
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    <Segment StartTime="1876.172" EndTime="1882.208" Participant="me013">
      Yes. Now um did you make any <Emphasis> use </Emphasis> of that?
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    <Segment StartTime="1876.631" EndTime="1877.031" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1882.208" EndTime="1887.833" Participant="me013">
      See I was wondering cuz we st- we have these ten hours of other stuff that is not yet transcribed. Do you -
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1882.982" EndTime="1883.412" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1885.593" EndTime="1886.069" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1887.218" EndTime="1889.989" Participant="mn005">
      The - the transcription by Jane, t- eh i- eh,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1889.989" EndTime="1894.089" Participant="mn005">
      I - I - I want to use to - to nnn, <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> eh
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    <Segment StartTime="1894.089" EndTime="1896.253" Participant="mn005">
      to put - i- i- it's a reference for me.
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    <Segment StartTime="1896.753" EndTime="1898.465" Participant="mn005">
      But eh the transcription -
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1898.465" EndTime="1904.027" Participant="mn005">
      eh for example, I - I don't - I - I'm not interested in the - in the - in the words,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1904.027" EndTime="1905.110" Participant="mn005">
      transcription words, eh
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1905.110" EndTime="1906.937" Participant="mn005">
      transcribed eh eh in -
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1906.937" EndTime="1910.249" Participant="mn005">
      eh follow in the - <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> in the - in the speech file,
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    <Segment StartTime="1910.905" EndTime="1919.902" Participant="mn005">
      but eh eh Jane eh for example eh put a mark eh at the beginning eh of each eh talker,
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    <Segment StartTime="1920.424" EndTime="1921.957" Participant="mn005">
      in the - in the meeting,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1921.957" EndTime="1926.347" Participant="mn005">
      um eh she - she nnn includes information
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1926.347" EndTime="1932.168" Participant="mn005">
      about the zone where eh there are eh - there is an overlapping zone.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1932.283" EndTime="1932.752" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1932.429" EndTime="1935.043" Participant="mn005">
      But eh there isn't any - any mark,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1935.043" EndTime="1936.583" Participant="mn005">
      time - temporal mark,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1936.919" EndTime="1941.846" Participant="mn005">
      to - to c- eh - to mmm <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> - e-heh, to label <Comment Description="markers of word-finding difficulty"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1936.970" EndTime="1937.640" Participant="me013">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1941.846" EndTime="1944.513" Participant="mn005">
      the beginning and the end of the - of the ta-
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1941.934" EndTime="1943.085" Participant="me013">
      Right, so she is -
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1944.747" EndTime="1949.235" Participant="mn005">
      I'm - I - I - I think eh we need this information to nnn - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1948.727" EndTime="1949.076" Participant="me013">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1949.934" EndTime="1952.526" Participant="me013">
      So the twelve - you - you - it took you twelve hours -
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    <Segment StartTime="1952.526" EndTime="1957.124" Participant="me013">
      of course this included maybe some - some time where you were learning about what - what you wanted to do, but -
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    <Segment StartTime="1956.070" EndTime="1959.940" Participant="mn017">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1957.124" EndTime="1962.206" Participant="me013">
      but uh, it took you something like twelve hours to mark the forty-five minutes, your s-
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    <Segment StartTime="1960.800" EndTime="1961.555" Participant="me011">
      Twelve minutes.
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    <Segment StartTime="1961.381" EndTime="1962.191" Participant="mn005">
      <Emphasis> Twelve </Emphasis> minutes.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1962.206" EndTime="1963.042" Participant="me013">
      <Emphasis> Twelve </Emphasis> minutes! <Comment Description="echoes [mn005] utterance, with surprise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1962.798" EndTime="1964.002" Participant="mn005">
      Twelve minutes. Twelve.
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    <Segment StartTime="1964.249" EndTime="1966.177" Participant="me013">
      I thought you did forty-five minutes of -
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    <Segment StartTime="1966.240" EndTime="1969.681" Participant="mn005">
      No, forty-five minutes is the - is the session, <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> all the session.
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    <Segment StartTime="1969.750" EndTime="1973.454" Participant="me013">
      Oh, you haven't done the whole session. This is just twelve minutes. <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="1969.781" EndTime="1971.212" Participant="fe008">
      Oh.
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    <Segment StartTime="1970.617" EndTime="1972.831" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah, all is the <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Uncertain> the </Uncertain> session.
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    <Segment StartTime="1973.256" EndTime="1975.582" Participant="mn005">
      Tw- twelve hours of work
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    <Segment StartTime="1973.856" EndTime="1974.598" Participant="mn017">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1975.582" EndTime="1981.359" Participant="mn005">
      to - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> to segment eh and label eh twelve minutes from a session of part -
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    <Segment StartTime="1980.304" EndTime="1986.675" Participant="me013">
      So <Comment Description="lengthened"/> let me back up again. So the - when you said there were three hundred speaker overlaps, that's in twelve minutes? <Comment Description="surprise intonation"/>
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      of f- <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1985.350" EndTime="1985.780" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="1987.496" EndTime="1995.168" Participant="mn005">
      No no no. I - I consider all the - all the session because eh I - I count the nnn - the nnn - the overlappings marked by - by Jane,
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      Oh, O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="1995.168" EndTime="1999.925" Participant="mn005">
      in - in - in - in the <Pause/> fin- in - in the <Pause/> forty-five minutes.
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    <Segment StartTime="1995.236" EndTime="1996.406" Participant="me013">
      <Emphasis> O_K </Emphasis>.
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    <Segment StartTime="1995.267" EndTime="1996.867" Participant="fe008">
      Oh, I see.
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    <Segment StartTime="1999.795" EndTime="2007.265" Participant="me013">
      So it's three hundred in forty-five minutes, but you have - you have time uh, uh marked -
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    <Segment StartTime="2007.265" EndTime="2012.005" Participant="me013">
      twelve minute - the - the - the um overlaps in twelve minutes of it. Got it.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2011.302" EndTime="2011.661" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2011.718" EndTime="2012.033" Participant="mn017">
      <NonVocalSound Description="loud click"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="2012.336" EndTime="2014.520" Participant="me011">
      Well, not just the overlaps, <Emphasis> everything. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="2012.366" EndTime="2017.510" Participant="mn017">
      So, can I ask - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> can I ask whether you found - uh, you know, how accurate
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="2017.667" EndTime="2019.440" Participant="mn017">
      uh Jane's uh
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="2019.670" EndTime="2021.225" Participant="mn017">
      uh labels were as far as -
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    <Segment StartTime="2021.225" EndTime="2024.310" Participant="mn017">
      you know, did she miss some overlaps? or did she n- ?
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    <Segment StartTime="2022.633" EndTime="2025.684" Participant="mn005">
      But, by - by the moment, I - I don't compare,
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    <Segment StartTime="2025.684" EndTime="2029.027" Participant="mn005">
      my - my temporal mark with eh Jane, but eh
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    <Segment StartTime="2026.466" EndTime="2027.157" Participant="mn017">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2028.944" EndTime="2029.860" Participant="mn017">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2029.264" EndTime="2030.398" Participant="mn005">
      I - I want to do it.
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    <Segment StartTime="2030.766" EndTime="2033.958" Participant="mn005">
      Because eh eh i- per- perhaps
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    <Segment StartTime="2033.958" EndTime="2036.680" Participant="mn005">
      I have eh errors in the - in the marks,
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    <Segment StartTime="2036.040" EndTime="2036.675" Participant="mn017">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2036.817" EndTime="2041.311" Participant="mn005">
      I - and if I - I compare with eh Jane,
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    <Segment StartTime="2037.798" EndTime="2038.067" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2038.397" EndTime="2038.862" Participant="mn017">
      Well -
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    <Segment StartTime="2041.311" EndTime="2042.152" Participant="mn005">
      it's probably
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2042.152" EndTime="2043.932" Participant="mn005">
      I - I - I can correct
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    <Segment StartTime="2043.932" EndTime="2050.226" Participant="mn005">
      and - and - and - to get eh eh a more accurately eh eh transcription in the file.
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    <Segment StartTime="2049.390" EndTime="2049.859" Participant="me013">
      I-
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    <Segment StartTime="2049.440" EndTime="2051.538" Participant="me011">
      Well, also Jane - Jane was doing <Emphasis> word </Emphasis> level.
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    <Segment StartTime="2051.508" EndTime="2051.817" Participant="me013">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2051.538" EndTime="2055.580" Participant="me011">
      So we weren't <Emphasis> concerned </Emphasis> with <Comment Description="louder, due to overlap"/> exactly when an overlap started and stopped.
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    <Segment StartTime="2051.802" EndTime="2052.250" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2052.230" EndTime="2055.310" Participant="mn017">
      Right. Right. I'm expect- I'm not expecting -
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    <Segment StartTime="2053.311" EndTime="2053.627" Participant="mn005">
      <Uncertain> Well - </Uncertain>
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    <Segment StartTime="2053.536" EndTime="2057.840" Participant="fe016">
      Well, not only a word level, but actually I mean, you didn't need to
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    <Segment StartTime="2056.226" EndTime="2056.829" Participant="mn005">
      <Emphasis> No, </Emphasis> it's -
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    <Segment StartTime="2058.644" EndTime="2066.620" Participant="fe016">
      <Emphasis> show </Emphasis> the exact point of interruption, you just were showing at the level of the phrase or the level of the speech spurt, or -
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    <Segment StartTime="2061.415" EndTime="2061.857" Participant="me011">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2063.633" EndTime="2064.302" Participant="me013">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2063.792" EndTime="2064.272" Participant="me011">
      Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2064.177" EndTime="2065.027" Participant="fe008">
      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Well -
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    <Segment StartTime="2064.198" EndTime="2065.196" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2066.002" EndTime="2066.573" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2066.599" EndTime="2078.148" Participant="fe008">
      Well, yeah, b- yeah, I would say time bin. So my - my goal is to get words with reference to a <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> <Emphasis> bin, </Emphasis> <Pause/> beginning and end point. And - and sometimes, you know, it was like you could have an overlap where someone said something in the <Emphasis> middle, </Emphasis> but,
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    <Segment StartTime="2068.580" EndTime="2069.169" Participant="fe016">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2068.597" EndTime="2068.987" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2071.877" EndTime="2072.287" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2072.313" EndTime="2072.746" Participant="fe016">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2072.772" EndTime="2073.217" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2078.148" EndTime="2085.672" Participant="fe008">
      yeah, w- it just wasn't important for our purposes to have it that - i- disrupt that unit in order to have, you know, a- the words in the order in which they were spoken, it would have -
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    <Segment StartTime="2085.005" EndTime="2085.411" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2085.672" EndTime="2091.046" Participant="fe008">
      it would have been hard with the interface that we have. Now, my - a- Adam's working on a of course, on a revised overlapping interface, but -
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    <Segment StartTime="2087.488" EndTime="2088.015" Participant="me011">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2087.667" EndTime="2089.894" Participant="mn005">
      Uh-huh. I - I - I think -
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    <Segment StartTime="2091.028" EndTime="2096.163" Participant="mn005">
      It's - it's a good eh work, but eh I think we need eh eh more information.
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      No, of <Emphasis> course. </Emphasis> I expect you to find <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> overlaps than - than Jane because you're looking at it at a much more detailed level.
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    <Segment StartTime="2096.772" EndTime="2097.122" Participant="fe008">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="2096.930" EndTime="2098.090" Participant="me011">
      <Emphasis> Always </Emphasis> need more for -
    </Segment>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="2098.890" EndTime="2105.570" Participant="mn005">
      No, no. I - I have to go to - I want eh - I wanted to eh compare the - the transcription.
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    <Segment StartTime="2099.270" EndTime="2099.700" Participant="fe008">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      I have -
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      But if it takes sixty to one - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/>
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      Well, I- but I have a suggestion about that. Um,
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      obviously this is very, very time-consuming, and you're finding lots of things which I'm sure are gonna be very interesting,
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      but in the interests of making progress, uh might I s- how - how would it affect your time if you only marked speaker overlaps?
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      <Emphasis> Only. </Emphasis>
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      Yes. Do not mark any other events, but only mark speaker - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> Do you think that would speed it <Emphasis> up </Emphasis> quite a bit?
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2127.328" EndTime="2127.797" Participant="mn005">
      Uh-huh.
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      O_K.
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      O_K.
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      Do y- do you think that would speed it up?
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      Uh, speed up your - your - your marking?
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      I - I - I - I w-
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      I - I wanted to - nnn, I don't understand very.
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    <Segment StartTime="2140.372" EndTime="2146.995" Participant="me013">
      It took you a long time <Pause/> to mark twelve minutes. Now, my suggestion was for the other thirty-three -
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2143.236" EndTime="2144.275" Participant="mn005">
      Oh, yeah, yeah.
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      On- only to mark - only to mark overlapping zone, but -
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      Yeah, and my question is, if you did that, if you followed my suggestion, would it take much less time?
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      Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah sure. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Sure sure. Sure,
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      Yeah O_K. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Then I think it's a good idea. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Then I think it's a good idea, because it-
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      because I - I need a lot of time to - to put the label or to do that. Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2167.542" EndTime="2170.694" Participant="me013">
      Yeah, I mean, we- we know that there's noise.
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      And-
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    <Segment StartTime="2170.281" EndTime="2170.770" Participant="mn005">
      Uh-huh.
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      There's - there's uh continual noise uh from fans and so forth, and there is uh more impulsive noise from uh taps and so forth and - and something in between with paper rustling. <Comment Description="list"/>
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      Yeah.
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      We know that all that's there and it's a g- worthwhile thing to study,
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      Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2186.365" EndTime="2190.047" Participant="me013">
      but obviously it takes a lot of time to mark all of these things.
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      Yeah.
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      Whereas th- i- I would <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> that uh you - we can study <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> or less as a distinct phenomenon the overlapping of people talking.
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      Uh-huh. O_K. O_K.
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      So.
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      Then you can get the - Cuz you need - If it's three hundred uh - i- i- it sounds like you probably only have fifty or sixty or seventy
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      events right now that are really -
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    <Segment StartTime="2208.337" EndTime="2208.776" Participant="mn005">
      Yeah.
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      And - and you need to have a lot <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> than that to have any kind of uh even visual sense of - of what's going on, much less any kind of reasonable statistics.
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    <Segment StartTime="2216.146" EndTime="2216.677" Participant="me011">
      Right.
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      Now, why do you need to mark speaker overlap by <Emphasis> hand </Emphasis> if you can infer it from the relative energy in the - I mean, you shouldn't <Emphasis> need </Emphasis> to do this p- completely by hand, right?
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      Well, that's -
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    <Segment StartTime="2222.910" EndTime="2224.370" Participant="me011">
      That's what I was gonna bring up.
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    <Segment StartTime="2225.570" EndTime="2230.033" Participant="me013">
      Um, O_K, yeah. So let's back up because you weren't here for an earlier conversation.
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      I'm sorry. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So the idea was that what he was going to be doing was experimenting with different measures such as the increase in energy,
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      such as the energy in the L_P_C residuals, such as - <Comment Description="list"/> I mean there's a bunch of things -
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      Mm-hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2244.090" EndTime="2249.289" Participant="me013">
      I mean, increased energy is -is sort of an obvious one. Yeah. Um, and
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      In the <Emphasis> far-field </Emphasis> mike.
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    <Segment StartTime="2247.539" EndTime="2248.101" Participant="fe016">
      Oh, O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="2250.039" EndTime="2254.300" Participant="me013">
      uh, it's not obvious, I mean, you could - you could do the dumbest thing
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      and get - get it ninety percent of the time. But when you
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      start going <Emphasis> past </Emphasis> that and trying to do <Emphasis> better, </Emphasis> it's not obvious what combination of features
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    <Segment StartTime="2262.067" EndTime="2266.561" Participant="me013">
      is gonna give you the - you know, the right detector. So the idea is to have some ground truth first.
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      And so the i- the idea of the manual marking was to say "O_K this, i- you know, it's - it's really here".
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      But I think Liz is saying why not get it out of the transcripts?
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      What I mean is <Pause/> get it from the <Emphasis> close-talking </Emphasis> mikes.
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    <Segment StartTime="2276.123" EndTime="2278.575" Participant="me013">
      Uh, yeah. We t- we t- w-
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      A- or ge- get a first pass from those, and then go through sort of - It'd be a lot faster probably to -
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      we t- we talked about that.
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      And you can -
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    <Segment StartTime="2282.339" EndTime="2283.680" Participant="me011">
      Yeah, that's his, uh -
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      We - we -
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      we <Emphasis> talked </Emphasis> about that. s- But so it's a bootstrapping thing and the thing is,
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      Yeah, I just -
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      the idea was, i- we i- i- we thought it would be useful for him to look at the data anyway, <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      and - and then whatever he could mark would be helpful,
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    <Segment StartTime="2294.614" EndTime="2295.045" Participant="fe016">
      Right.
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    <Segment StartTime="2294.801" EndTime="2295.470" Participant="me013">
      and we could -
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      Uh it's a question of what you bootstrap <Emphasis> from. </Emphasis> You know, do you bootstrap from a simple measurement which is right most of the time and then you g- do better,
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      or do you bootstrap from some human being looking at it and then -
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      <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> do your simple measurements, uh from the close-talking mike.
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      I mean, even with the close-talking mike you're not gonna get it right all the time.
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      Well, that's what I wonder, because um - or how bad it is, be- um, because that would be interesting especially because the bottleneck is the <Emphasis> transcription. </Emphasis> Right?
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      Well-
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      I'm working on a program to do that, and -
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      I mean, we've got a lot more data than we have transcriptions for. We have the audio data, we have the close-talking mike, so I mean it seems like one kind of project that's not perfect, but -
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      Yeah.
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      um, that you can get the <Emphasis> training </Emphasis> data for pretty quickly is, you know, if you infer form the close-talking mikes where the on-off points are of speech, you know, how can we detect that from a far-field?
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      Right, we discussed that.
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      And -
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      Oh.
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      I've - I've written a program to do that, and it, uh - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      O_K, I'm sorry I missed the - <Uncertain NumSyllables="3"> @@ </Uncertain>
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    <Segment StartTime="2348.873" EndTime="2349.542" Participant="me013">
      It's O_K.
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      and -
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      so - but it's - it's doing something very, very simple. It just takes a threshold, based on - on the volume,
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      Uh-huh.
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      Or you can set the threshold low and then weed out the false alarms by hand. Yeah.
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      Right, by hand. Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2359.440" EndTime="2363.590" Participant="me011">
      um, and then it does a median filter, and then it looks for runs.
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      And, it seems to work, I've - I'm sort of fiddling with the parameters,
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      to get it to actually <Emphasis> generate </Emphasis> something,
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      and I haven't - I don't - what I'm working on - <Emphasis> was </Emphasis> working on - was getting it to a form where we can import it into the user interface that we have, <Pause/> into Transcriber.
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      And so - I told - I said it would take about a day. I've worked on it for about half a day, so give me another half day and I- we'll have something we can play with.
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      I have to go. <Comment Description="whispered, over mike noise"/>
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      O_K.
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      See, this is where we really need the Meeting Recorder query stuff to be working, because we've had these meetings and we've had this discussion about this, and I'm sort of remembering a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> bit about what we decided,
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      Right. I'm sorry. I just -
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      but I couldn't remember <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> of it. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> So,
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      It-
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      But - <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
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      I think it was partly that,
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      you know,
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      give somebody a chance to actually look at the data and see what these are like,
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      partly that we have e- some ground <Emphasis> truth </Emphasis> to compare against, you know, when - when he - he gets his thing going,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      uh, and -
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      Well, it's definitely good to have somebody look at it. I was just thinking as a way to speed up
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      That was - that was exactly the notion that - that - that we discussed. So.
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      Mm-hmm. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      you know, the amount of -
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      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="2415.835" EndTime="2416.234" Participant="fe016">
      O_K.
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      Thanks. <Comment Description="whispered, to [me001]"/>
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      <Emphasis> Another </Emphasis> thing we discussed was um that -
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      It looks good.
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      I have to go.
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      I'll be in touch. Thanks. <Comment Description="partly whispered"/> <Comment Description="to [me001]"/>
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      S- See ya. <Comment Description="to [me001]"/>
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      Just give me an email.
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      O_K.
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      <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain>
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      Was that um there m- <Pause/> there was this already a script I believe uh that Dan had written, <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      that uh handle bleedthrough, I mean cuz you have this - this close - you have contamination from other people who speak loudly.
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      Yeah, and I haven't tried using that. It would probably help the program that I'm doing to first feed it through that.
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      It's a cross-correlation filter.
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      So I - I haven't tried that, but that - If - It - it might be something - it might be a good way of cleaning it up a little.
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      So, some thought of maybe having -
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      Yeah, having that be a preprocessor and then run it through yours.
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      Exactly.
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      But - but that's a refinement and I think we wanna see - try the simple thing first, cuz you add this complex thing up uh afterwards that does something good y- y- yo- you sort of wanna see what the simple thing does first.
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      Yep.
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      That's what we were discussing.
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      Yep.
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      But uh, having - having somebody have some experience, again, with - with uh - with marking it from a human standpoint, we're - I mean, I don't expect Jose
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      to - to do it for uh f- fifty hours of - <Comment Description="inbreath while smiling"/> of speech, but I mean we - <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      if uh - if he could speed up what he was doing by just getting the speaker overlaps so that we had it, say, for forty-five minutes,
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      Yeah.
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      Sure.
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      Sure.
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      then at least we'd have three hundred examples of it. And when - when uh Adam was doing his automatic thing he could then compare to that and see what it was different.
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      Yeah.
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      Oh yeah, definitely.
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      Yeah.
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      You know, I did - I did uh something almost <Emphasis> identical </Emphasis> to this at one of my previous jobs, and it works pretty <Emphasis> well. </Emphasis> I mean, i- almost exactly what you described, an energy detector with a median filter, you look for runs.
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      And uh, <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> you know, you can -
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      It seemed like the right thing to do. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Yeah. I mean, you - you can get y- I mean, you get them pretty close.
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      That was with zero literature search.
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      And so I think doing that to generate these
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      possibilities and then going through and saying yes or no on <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;em&quot;"> them  </Pronounce> would be a quick way to - to do it. Yeah.
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      That's good validation.
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      Is this proprietary? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah, do you have a patent on it? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Uh. <Comment Description="lengthened"/>
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      No. No. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      It was when I was working for the government.
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      Oh, then everybody owns it. It's the <Emphasis> people. </Emphasis>
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      Well, I mean, is this something that we could just <Emphasis> co-opt, </Emphasis> or is it - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/> No. <Comment Description="echoing [me018] utterance"/> O_K.
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      Nah.
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      Well, i- i- i- he's pretty close, anyway. I think - I think it's -
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      Yeah, he's - it - it doesn't take a long time.
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      Right.
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      I just thought if it was tried and true, then - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> and he's gone through additional levels of - of development.
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      Just output.
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      Although if you - if you have some parameters like what's a good window size for the median filter - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Yeah.
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      Oh! <Comment Description="while sighing"/> I have to remember. I'll think about it, and try to remember.
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      And it might be <Emphasis> different </Emphasis> for government people.
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      <Emphasis> That's </Emphasis> <Uncertain> alright </Uncertain>. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Yeah, good enough for government work, as they say. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      They - they -
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      Di- dif- different - different bandwidth. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      They d-
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      I was doing pretty short, you know, tenth of a second, <Comment Description="embedded"/> sorts of numbers.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      O_K.
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      Uh,
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      I don't know, it -
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      if - if we want to uh -
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    <Segment StartTime="2570.877" EndTime="2575.110" Participant="me013">
      So, uh, maybe we should move on to other - other things in limited time.
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      Can I ask one question about his statistics? So - so in the tw- twelve minutes,
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      um, if we took three hundred and divided it by four, which is about the length of twelve minutes,
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      i-
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      Um, I'd expect like there should be seventy-five overlaps. Did you find
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      uh <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> than seventy-five overlaps in that period, or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/>
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      More than?
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      More than - How many overlaps in your twelve minutes?
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      How many? Eh, not <Uncertain NumSyllables="3"> @@ </Uncertain> I-
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      Onl- only I - I transcribe eh only twelve minutes
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah.
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      from the
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      but eh I - I don't co- eh - I don't count eh the - the overlap.
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      The overlaps. <Comment Description="completing [mn005]'s utterance"/> O_K.
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      I consider I - I - The - the nnn -
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      The - the three hundred is eh considered only you - your transcription.
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      I have to - <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> to finish transcribing.
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      <Uncertain> So. </Uncertain>
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      I b- I bet they're <Emphasis> more, </Emphasis> because the <Emphasis> beginning </Emphasis> of the meeting had a lot more overlaps than - than sort of the middle.
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      Yeah.
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      Middle or end.
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      Yeah.
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      Because i- we're - we're dealing with the - Uh, in the early meetings, we're <Emphasis> recording </Emphasis> while we're saying who's talking on what microphone, <Comment Description="rising"/> and things like that, <Comment Description="rising"/> and that seems to be a <Emphasis> lot </Emphasis> of overlap.
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      I'm not sure.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      I think it's an empirical question. I think we could find that out. I'm - I'm not sure that the beginning had more.
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      Yeah.
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      Yep.
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      So - so I was gonna ask, I guess about any - any other things that - that - that either of you wanted to talk about, especially since
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      Andreas is leaving in five minutes, that - that you wanna go with.
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      Can I just ask about the data, like very straightforward question is where we are on the amount of data and the amount of transcribed data, just cuz I'm -
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      I wanted to get a feel for that
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      There's this forty-five minute piece that Jane transcribed.
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      That piece was then uh sent to I_B_M so <Emphasis> they </Emphasis> could transcribe so we have some comparison point.
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      Then there's s- a larger piece that's been recorded and
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      uh put on C_D-ROM and sent uh to I_B_M.
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      Right? And then
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      What's that?
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      That was about ten hours, and there was about -
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      Yeah, something like that. And then - then we r-
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      Uh-huh. O_K.
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      Ten meetings that have been sent to I_B_M?
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      And -
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      Yeah.
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      Well, I haven't sent them yet because I was having this problem with the <Pause/> missing files.
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      Oh.
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      O_K.
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      Oh, that's right, that had - those have <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> been sent.
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      H- how many total have we recorded now, altogether?
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      <Uncertain> We're </Uncertain> saying about <Pause/> twelve hours.
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      About twelve <Pause/> by now. Twelve or thirteen.
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      Uh-huh.
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      And we're recording only this meeting, like continuously we're only recording this one now? or - ? <Comment Description="leading question"/> O_K.
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      No.
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      Nope.
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      No, so the - the - that's the - that's the biggest one - uh, chunk so far, <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      It was the morning one.
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      O_K.
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      but there's at least one meeting recorded of uh the uh uh natural language guys.
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      Jerry.
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      uh there's a network services and applications group here who's agreed to have their meetings recorded,
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      Great.
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      and we're gonna start recording them. They're - They meet on Tuesdays. We're gonna start recording them next week.
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      So actually, we're gonna h- start having a - a pretty significant chunk and
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      So there's probably - there's three to four a week,
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      That's what we're aiming for.
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      that we're aiming for. <Comment Description="echoes [me011]'s statement"/>
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      Yeah.
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      And they're each about an hour or something.
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      Yeah, yeah.
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      Although - Yeah.
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      We'll find out tomorrow whether we can really do this or not. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So - O_K.
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      Yeah and th- the - the other thing is I'm not pos- I'm sort of thinking as we've been through this a few times,
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      that I really don't know -
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      maybe you wanna do it once for the novelty,
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      but I don't know if in general we wanna have meetings that we record from outside this group do the digits.
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      Right.
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      Because it's just an added bunch of weird stuff. And, you know, we - we h- we're highly motivated.
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      Yeah.
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      Uh in fact, the <Emphasis> morning </Emphasis> group is <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> motivated cuz they're working on connected digits, so it's - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Actually that's something I wanted to ask, is I have a bunch of scripts to help with the <Emphasis> transcription </Emphasis> of the digits.
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      Yeah.
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      We don't have to <Emphasis> hand </Emphasis>-<Emphasis> transcribe </Emphasis> the digits because we're <Emphasis> reading </Emphasis> them and I <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> those.
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      Right. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Yeah.
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      And so I have some scripts that let you very quickly extract the sections of each utterance. But I haven't been ru- I haven't been <Emphasis> doing </Emphasis> that.
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      Um, if I <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> that,
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      is someone gonna be working on it? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Uh, yeah, I - I think
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      I mean, is it something of interest?
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      definitely s- so- Absolutely. Yeah, whoever we have working on
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      O_K.
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      Hmm.
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      the acoustics for the Meeting Recorder are gonna start with that.
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      I mean, I-
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      I'm - I'm <Emphasis> interested </Emphasis> in it, I just don't have <Emphasis> time </Emphasis> to do it <Emphasis> now. </Emphasis>
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      I was - these meetings - I'm sure someone thought of this, but these -
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      So
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      this uh reading of the numbers would be extremely helpful to do um adaptation. Um.
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      Yep.
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      Yep.
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      Actually I have o- <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain>
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      I - I would really like someone to do adaptation. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> So if we got someone interested in that, I think it would be <Emphasis> great </Emphasis> for Meeting Recorder.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Well -
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      I mean, one of the things I wanted to do, uh, that I- I talked to -
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      to <Emphasis> Don </Emphasis> about, is one of the possible things he could do or m- also, we could have someone else do it,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      is to do block echo cancellation,
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      to try to get rid of some of the effects of the - the - the far-field effects.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Um, I mean we have -
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      the party line has been that echo cancellation is not the right way to handle the situation because people move around,
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      and uh, if - if it's - if it's uh not a simple echo, like a cross-talk kind of echo, but it's actually room acoustics, it's - it's - it's -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      you can't really do inversion, and even echo cancellation is going to uh be something - It may - you -
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      Someone may be moving enough that you are not able to adapt quickly and so the tack that we've taken is more "lets come up with feature approaches and multi-stream approaches and so forth, that will be <Emphasis> robust </Emphasis> to it for the recognizer and not try to create a clean signal".
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Uh, that's the party line.
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      But it occurred to me a few months ago that uh
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      party lines are always, you know, sort of dangerous. It's good - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      good to sort of <Emphasis> test </Emphasis> them, actually. And so we haven't had anybody try to do a good serious job on echo cancellation and
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      we should <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> how well that can <Emphasis> do. </Emphasis> So
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      that's something I'd like somebody to do at some point, just take these digits, take the far-field mike signal, and the close
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      uh mike signal, and apply really good echo cancellation. Um,
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      Hmm.
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      there was a - have been some nice talks recently by - by Lucent on - on their b-
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      the <Emphasis> block </Emphasis> echo cancellation particularly appealed to me, uh you know, trying and change it sample by sample, but you have some reasonable sized blocks. <Comment Description="rising"/>
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      And um,
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      you know, th-
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      W- what is the um -
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      the artifact you try to - you're trying to get rid of when you do that?
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      Uh so it's - it - you have a - a direct uh -
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      Uh, what's the difference in - If you were trying to construct a linear filter,
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      that would um -
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      I'm signing off.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> <Comment Description="regarding [mn017]'s utterance"/> <Comment Description="embedded"/>
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      that would subtract off <Comment Description="resuming flow of thought preceding embedding"/>
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      the um
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      uh parts of the signal that were the aspects of the signal that were different between the close-talk and the distant.
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      You know, so - so uh
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      um
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      I guess in most echo cancellation -
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      Yeah, so you - Given that um -
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      Yeah, so you're trying to - So you'd - There's a - a distance between the close and the distant mikes so there's a time delay there,
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      and after the time delay, there's these various reflections.
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      And if you figure out well what's the - there's a - a least squares algorithm that adjusts itself - adjusts the weight so that you try to subtract - essentially to subtract off uh different uh - different reflections.
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      Right? So let's take the simple case where you just had -
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      you had some uh some delay in a satellite connection or something and then there's a - there's an <Emphasis> echo. </Emphasis> It comes <Emphasis> back. </Emphasis>
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      And you want to adjust this filter so that it will maximally reduce the effect of this echo.
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      So that would mean like if you were listening to the data that was recorded on one of those.
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      Uh, just the raw data, you would - you might hear kind of an echo?
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      And - and then this - noise cancellation would get-
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      Well, I'm - I'm - I'm saying - That's a simplified version of what's <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> happening. <Comment Description="faster tempo"/> What's <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> happening is - Well, when I'm talking to you right <Emphasis> now, </Emphasis>
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      you're getting the direct sound from my speech, but you're also getting,
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      uh, the indirect sound that's bounced around the <Emphasis> room </Emphasis> a number of times.
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      O_K?
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      So now, if you um try to r- you -
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      To <Emphasis> completely </Emphasis> remove the effect of that is sort of impractical for a number of technical reasons, but I - but -
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      not to try to completely remove it, that is, invert the - the room response, but just
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      to try to uh uh eliminate some of the - the effect of some of the echos.
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      Um, a number of people have done this so that, say, if you're talking to a speakerphone,
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      uh it makes it more like it would be, if you were talking right up to it.
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      So this is sort of the st- the straight-forward approach.
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      You say I - I - I want to
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      <Emphasis> use </Emphasis> this uh - this item but I want to subtract off various kinds of echos. So you construct a filter,
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      and you have this - this <Emphasis> filtered </Emphasis> version uh of the speech
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      um gets uh uh - gets subtracted off from the original speech.
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      Then you try to - you try to minimize the energy in some sense.
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      And so um -
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      uh with some constraints.
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      Kind of a <Emphasis> clean </Emphasis> up thing, that - O_K.
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      It's a clean up thing. Right. So,
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      echo cancelling is - is, you know, commonly done in telephony,
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      and - and - and
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      it's sort of the obvious thing to do in this situation if you - if, you know,
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      <VocalSound Description="cough"/> When uh,
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      I would have meetings with the folks in Cambridge when I was at B_B_N over the phone,
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      some kind of a special speaker phone and when they would first connect me,
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      it would come on and we'd hear all this noise.
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      Yeah.
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      And then it was uh - And then it would come on and it was very clear, you know.
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      Right. So it's taking samples, it's doing adaptation, it's adjusting weights, and then it's getting the sum.
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      So um,
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      uh <Emphasis> anyway </Emphasis> that's - that's kind of a reasonable thing that I'd like to have somebody try - somebody look - And -
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      and the digits would be a reasonable thing
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      to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that with. I think that'd be enough data - plenty of data to do that with, and
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      i- for that sort of task you wouldn't care whether it was uh large vocabulary speech or anything. Uh.
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      Is Brian Kingsbury's work related to that, or is it a different type of reverberation?
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      Um
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      Brian's <Comment Description="meaning &quot;Brian&quot;"/> Kingsbury's work is an example of what we did
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      f- f- from the opposite dogma. Right? Which is what I was calling the "party line", which is that
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      uh doing that sort of thing is not really what we want. We want something more flexible,
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      uh i- i- where people might change their position, and there might be, you know -
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      There's also um
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      oh yeah, <Emphasis> noise. </Emphasis> So the echo cancellation does not really allow for <Emphasis> noise. </Emphasis>
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      It's if you have a clean situation but you just have some delays,
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      Then we'll figure out the right - the right set of weights for your taps for your filter in order to produce the effect of those - those echos.
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      But um
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      is corrupted so that it's decision about what the right -
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      you know, right - right uh - delays are - is, uh - is -
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      So for those kind of reasons,
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      Um, that's difficult because um
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      So, um, let me just say a couple things that I was - I was gonna
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      bring up. Uh.
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      The a- apparently - I mean, we're gonna do a revised form, of course. Um
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      I told her that would be a little bit difficult to <Emphasis> say. </Emphasis> So I think
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      from a s- practical standpoint, maybe we could have <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;em&quot;"> them  </Pronounce> do it once every ten meetings, or something. It won't be that many people who do it <Pause/> that often, but um just, you know, so long as they don't forget that they've done it, I guess.
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      O_K.
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      Um, back on the <Emphasis> data </Emphasis> thing, so there's this sort of one hour, ten hour, a hundred hour sort of thing that - that we have.
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      We have - we have an hour
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      uh that - that is transcribed, we have - we have twelve hours that's recorded but not transcribed,
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      and at the rate we're going, uh by the end of the semester we'll have, I don't know, forty or fifty or something, if we - if this really uh -
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      Well, do we have that much? Let's see, we have -
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      Not really. It's three to four per week.
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      So that's what - You know, that -
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      uh eight weeks, uh is -
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      So that's not a lot of hours. Um -
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      Eight weeks times three hours is twenty-four, so that's - Yeah, so like thirty -
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      Yeah.
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      thirty hours?
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      I mean, is there - I know this sounds <Pause/> tough but we've got the room set up. Um
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      I was starting to think of some projects where you would use
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      well, similar to what we talked about with uh
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      energy detection on the close-talking mikes. There are a number of
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      interesting questions that you can ask about how interactions happen in a meeting, that don't require any transcription. So what are the patterns, the energy patterns over the meeting?
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And I'm really interested in this
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      but we don't have
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      and you can always think of, also for political reasons, if ICSI collected
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      you know, <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> hundred hours, that looks different than <Emphasis> forty </Emphasis> hours, even if we don't transcribe it ourselves, <Pause/> so -
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      But I don't think we're gonna stop at the end of this semester.
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      Right? So, I th- I think that if we are able to keep that up
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      I mean, is there - Are there any other meetings here that we can
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      I mean, that are less well - I don't -
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      There's laughter, um I'm talking more about strong differences of opinion meetings, maybe with manager types, or -
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      I think it's hard to <Emphasis> record </Emphasis> those.
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      To be <Emphasis> allowed </Emphasis> to record them? O_K.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah, people will get -
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      It's also likely that people will cancel out afterwards. But I - but I wanted to raise the K_P_F_A idea.
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      O_K. Well, <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> there is, anyway.
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      Yeah, I was gonna mention that.
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      Oh, <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> a good idea. That's - That would be a good <Emphasis> match. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah. So - Yeah. So I - I - uh, I - I'd mentioned to Adam, and -
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      that uh there's uh - It - it oc- it occurred to me that we might be able to get some additional data
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      that - that uh it's just set up however they have it set up and we don't have any say about it and it's typically one microphone,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      in a, uh, uh - or - and - and so it doesn't <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> give us the - the - the uh characteristics we want.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Um and so I do think we're gonna continue recording here and record what we <Emphasis> can. </Emphasis>
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      But um, it <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> occur to me that we could go to friends in broadcast media and say "hey you have this panel show, <Pause/> or this - you know, this discussion show, and um can you record multi-channel?"
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      And uh they may be willing
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      to record it uh with -
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      With lapel mikes or something? <Comment Description="completing [me013]'s utterance"/>
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      Well, they probably already use lapel, but they might be able to have it - it wouldn't be that weird for them to have another mike that was somewhat distant. It wouldn't be exactly this setup,
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      Right.
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      but it would be that sort of thing,
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      Hunh.
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      and what we were gonna get from U_W, you know, assuming they - they - they start recording, isn't -
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      <Emphasis> als- </Emphasis> <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> is not going to be this exact setup.
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      Right. No, I think that'd be <Emphasis> great, </Emphasis>
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      So, <Comment Description="lengthened"/>
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      if we can get more data.
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      I - I - I - I was thinking of looking into that.
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      the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> thing that occurred to me <Emphasis> after </Emphasis> we had that discussion, in fact, is that it's <Emphasis> even </Emphasis> <Emphasis> possible, </Emphasis> since of course, many
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      uh that we could invite them to have
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      Hmm! <Comment Description="surprised"/>
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      Wow!
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      Well - Or - The thing is, they're not as averse to wearing one of these head-mount- I mean, they're on the <Emphasis> radio, </Emphasis> right? So. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      Right, as we are.
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      Right.
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      Um, I think that'd be fantastic cuz those kinds of panels and - <Emphasis> Those </Emphasis> have interesting
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      Yeah.
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      Th- that's an - a side of style - a style that we're not collecting <Emphasis> here, </Emphasis> so <Pause/> it'd be great. <Comment Description="faster tempo"/>
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      And - and the - I mean, the other side to it was the - what -
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      which is where we were <Emphasis> coming </Emphasis> from - I'll -
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      I'll talk to you more about it <Emphasis> later </Emphasis> <Comment Description="embedded"/> is that - is that there's - there's uh
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      presumably,
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      uh related to, you know, legal issues and - and permissions and all that. I mean, they already do what they do - do whatever they do. So it's -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      uh, it's - So it's - so it's another source. So I think
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      it's something we should look into, you know, we'll collect what we collect here hopefully they will collect more at U_W also
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      and um - and maybe we have this other source. But yeah I think that it's not unreasonable to aim at
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      getting, you know, significantly in excess of a hundred hours. I mean, that was sort of our goal.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      The thing was, I was <Emphasis> hoping </Emphasis> that we could -
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      in the - under this controlled situation we could at <Emphasis> least </Emphasis> collect, you know, thirty to fifty hours.
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      And at the rate we're going we'll get pretty <Emphasis> close </Emphasis> to that I think this semester.
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      And if we continue to collect some next semester, I think we should,
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      uh -
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      Right. Yeah I was mostly trying to think, "O_K, if you start a project,
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      within say a month, you know, how much data do you have to work with. And you - you wanna s- you wanna sort of fr- <Emphasis> freeze </Emphasis> your - your data for <Emphasis> awhile </Emphasis>
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      so um
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      right <Emphasis> now </Emphasis> - and we don't have the transcripts back yet from I_B_M right?
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      Well, we don't even have it for this f- you know, forty-five minutes, that was -
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      Do -
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      Oh, do we now? So um, not <Emphasis> complaining, </Emphasis> I was just trying to think, you know, what kinds of projects can you do now versus uh six months from now and they're pretty different, because <Pause/> um -
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      Yeah.
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      Right.
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      Yeah. So I was thinking right now it's sort of this exploratory stuff where you - you look at the data, you use some primitive measures and get a feeling for what the scatter plots look like, and -
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      Right.
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      Right, right.
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      and - and uh - and meanwhile we collect, and it's more like yeah, three months from now, or six months from now you can - you can do a lot of other things.
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      Cuz I'm not actually sure, just logistically that I can spend - you know, I don't wanna charge the time that I have on the project too early, before there's enough data to make
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      good use of the time. And that's - and especially with the student
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      Right.
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      uh for instance this guy who seems -
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      Yeah.
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      Uh anyway, I shouldn't say too much, but um if someone came that was great and wanted to do some real work and they have to end by the end of this school year in the spring, how much data will I
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      have to work with, with that person. And so it's -
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      Right.
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      i- Yeah, so I would think, exploratory things now.
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      Uh, three months from now -
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      Um, I mean the transcriptions I think are a bit of an unknown cuz we haven't gotten those back yet as far as the timing,
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      but I think as far as the collection, it doesn't seem to me l- like,
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      uh, unreasonable to say that
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      uh in
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      January, you know, ro- roughly uh - which is roughly three months from now,
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      Hmm.
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      we <Emphasis> should </Emphasis> have at least something like, you know, twenty-five, thirty <Emphasis> hours. </Emphasis>
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      And we just don't know about the <Emphasis> transcription </Emphasis> part of that, so. I mean, it -
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      So that's -
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      Yeah, we need to - I think that there's a possibility that the transcript will need to be adjusted afterwards, and uh
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      Yep.
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      es- <Emphasis> especially </Emphasis> since these people won't be
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      uh <Emphasis> used </Emphasis> to dealing with multi-channel uh transcriptions. So I think that we'll need to adjust some - And also if we wanna add things like
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      Right.
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      um, well, more refined coding of overlaps, then definitely I think we should count on having an extra pass through.
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      I wanted to ask another a- a- aspect of the data collection. <Comment Description="colon"/> There'd be no reason why a person couldn't get together several uh, you know, friends, and come and argue about a topic if they wanted to, right?
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      If they really have something they wanna talk about as opposed to something <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain> - I mean,
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      Why <Emphasis> not? </Emphasis> <Comment Description="rhetorical question"/> Yeah.
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      I mean, I'm thinking, politically -
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      Stage some political debates. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      You could <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> this, you know. You <Emphasis> could. </Emphasis>
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      Well <Emphasis> yeah, </Emphasis> or just if you're -
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      if you ha- If there are meetings here that happen that we can record even if we don't <Pause/> um have them do the digits, <Comment Description="rising"/> or maybe have them do a <Emphasis> shorter </Emphasis> <Pause/> digit thing <Comment Description="rising"/> like if it was, you know,
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      We don't have to do the digits at <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> if we don't <Emphasis> want </Emphasis> to.
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      uh, <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> string of digits, or something, they'd probably be willing to do.
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      Then, having the data is very valuable, cuz I think it's
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      um
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      <Emphasis> politically </Emphasis> better for us to say we have this many hours of audio data, <Emphasis> especially </Emphasis> with the I_T_R, if we put in a proposal on it. It'll just look like ICSI's collected a lot more
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      <Emphasis> audio </Emphasis> data. Um, whether it's transcribed or not
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      um, is another issue, but there's -
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      there are research
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      questions you can answer without the transcriptions, or at least that you can <Emphasis> start </Emphasis> to answer.
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      It seems like <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> could hold some <Emphasis> meetings. </Emphasis> You know, you and maybe Adam? You - you could - you could maybe hold some additional meetings, if you wanted.
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      Yep.
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      So.
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      Would it help at all - I mean, we're already talking about sort of two
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      levels of detail in meetings. One is uh
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      um
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      without doing the digits -
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      Or, I guess the <Emphasis> full-blown </Emphasis> one is where you do the digits, and everything, and then talk about doing it <Emphasis> without </Emphasis> digits, what if we had <Emphasis> another </Emphasis> level, just to collect data, which is without the headsets and we just did the table-mounted stuff.
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      <Emphasis> Need </Emphasis> the close-talking mikes.
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      You do, O_K.
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      I mean, absolutely, yeah. I'm really scared -
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      Yeah. Yeah.
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      It seems like it's a big part of this corpus is to have the close-talking mikes. <Comment Description="short on air"/>
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      Um or at least, like, me personally? I would - <Comment Description="while laughing"/> I - couldn't use that data.
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      I see, O_K.
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      Yeah.
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      I agree. And Mari also, we had - This came up when she- she was here. That's important.
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      Um.
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      Yeah, I - I -
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      So it's a great idea, and if it were <Emphasis> true </Emphasis> than I would just do that, but it's not that bad - like the room is not the bottleneck, and we have enough time in the room, it's getting the people to come in and put on the - and get the setup going.
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      b- By the -
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      by the way, I don't think the transcriptions are <Emphasis> actually, </Emphasis> in the <Emphasis> long </Emphasis> run, such a big bottleneck. I think the issue is just that we're - we're blazing that
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      path. Right? And - and um -
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      d- Do you have any idea when - when uh the - you'll be able to send uh the ten hours to them?
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      Well, I've been burning two C_Ds a day, which is about all I can do with the time I have. So it'll be early next week. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah, O_K. So early next week we send it to them, and then - then we check with them to see if they've got it and we - we start, you know
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      Yep.
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      asking about the timing for it. So I think once <Emphasis> they </Emphasis> get
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      Yep.
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      Yeah, but - <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
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      Well - <Comment Description="rise-fall-rise"/>
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      Yeah, who knows where they are.
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      Have they ever responded to you?
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      Nope.
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      Hhh. <VocalSound Description="vocal gesture"/>
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      Yeah, but -
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      You know, so they - they - they have -
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      What if -
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      you know, they're volunteering their time and they have a lot of other things to do, right? But they -
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      Yeah, you - we can't complain.
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      Yeah.
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      But at any rate, they'll - I - I think
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      is doing it, and uh
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      I think
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      it's not going to be - I don't think it's going to be <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> much more of a deal for them to do thirty hours then to do <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> hour, I think. It's not going to be thirty t-
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      Yep. I think that's probably true.
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      Really?
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      So it's the amount of -
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      It's - it's just getting it <Emphasis> going. </Emphasis>
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      It's pipeline, pipeline issues. Once the pipeline fills.
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      Right. What about these lunch meetings - I mean, I don't know, if there's any way without too much more overhead, even if we don't ship it right away to I_B_M even if we just collect it here for awhile, <Comment Description="embedded"/> to record
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      you know, two or three more meeting a week, just to have the data, even if they're
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      um not doing the digits, but they do wear the headphones?
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      But the lunch meetings are pretty much one person getting up and -
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      No, I meant, um, sorry, the meetings where people eat their lunch
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      downstairs, maybe they don't wanna be recorded, but -
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      Oh, and we're just chatting?
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      Just the ch- the <Emphasis> chatting. </Emphasis> I actually -
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      Yeah, we have a lot of those. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      I actually think that's <Pause/> useful <Pause/> data, um <Pause/> the chatting, but -
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      Yeah, the problem with that is I would - I think I would feel a little constrained to - You know?
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      You don't wanna do it, cuz -
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      O_K.
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      Uh, some of the meetings - You know, our "soccer ball" meeting? I guess none of you were there for our soccer ball meeting.
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      Alright.
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      Alright, <Comment Description="louder, due to overlap"/> so I'll just throw it out there, if anyone knows of one more m- or two more wee- meetings per week that happen at ICSI, um
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      That was hilarious.
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      that we could record, I think it would be worth it.
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      Yeah. Well, we should also check with Mari again, because they -
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      O_K.
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      Right.
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      Uh.
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      And there's a lot of different meetings at U_W uh -
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      I mean really m- a lot more <Comment Description="while laughing"/> than we have here right cuz we're not right on campus, so.
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      Right.
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      Is the uh, notion of recording any of Chuck's meetings dead in the water, or is that still a possibility?
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      Uh, <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/> they seem to have some problems with it. We can - we can talk about that later.
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      Um, but, again, Jerry is - Jerry's open - So I mean, we have
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      You know? I - I - I - I think that - that people are gonna feel uh -
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      Now, it <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> get a little better if we don't have them do the digits all the time. And the - then - so then they can just really sort of try to - put the mikes on and then just charge in and - and -
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      Yep.
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      What if we
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      O_K. <Comment Description="louder, due to overlap"/> Alright, alright, alright.
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      w- um, I know that you don't want
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      artificial topics, but
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      um
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      it <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> seem to me that we might be able to get subjects from campus to come down and
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      do <Emphasis> something </Emphasis> that wouldn't be too artificial. I mean, we could - political discussions, or - or <Emphasis> something </Emphasis> or other, and
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      <Uncertain> No </Uncertain>, <Emphasis> definitely. </Emphasis>
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      i- you know, people who are - Because, you know, there's also this <Emphasis> constraint. </Emphasis> We d- it's like, you know, the - the - uh goldibears - goldi- goldilocks, it's like you don't want meetings that are too large, but you don't want meetings that are too small. And um -
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      a- and it just seems like maybe we could exploit the subj- human subject p- p- pool, in the positive sense of the word.
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      Well, even - I mean, coming down from campus is sort of a big thing, but what about
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      We could pay subjects.
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      or what about people in the - in the building?
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      Yeah, I was thinking, there's all these other peo- Yeah.
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      I mean, there's the State of California
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      downstairs, and -
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      I mean -
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      I just really doubt that uh any of the State of California meetings would be recordable and then releasable to the general public.
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      Yeah.
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      Oh.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      So I - I mean I talked with some people at the Haas Business School who are i- who are interested in speech recognition
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      Alright, well.
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      and, they sort of hummed and hawed and said "well maybe we could have meetings down here", but then I got email from them that said "no,
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      we decided we're not really interested and we don't wanna come down and hold meetings."
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      So, I think it's gonna be a problem to get people regularly.
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      What about Joachim, maybe he can - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      But - but we c- But I think, you know, we get some scattered things from this and that. And I - I d- I <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> think that
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      maybe we can get somewhere with the - with the radio. Uh i- I have better contacts in radio than in television, but -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      You could get a lot of lively discussions from those <Emphasis> radio </Emphasis> ones.
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      Yep.
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      Well, and they're already - they're - these things are already recorded, we don't have to ask them to - even - and I'm not sure wh- <Emphasis> how </Emphasis> they record it, but they <Emphasis> must </Emphasis> record from individual -
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> n- Well -
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      No, I'm not talking about ones that are already recorded.
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      I'm talking about <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> ones because - because - because we would be asking them to do something <Emphasis> different. </Emphasis>
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      Why - why not?
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      Well, we can find out. I know for instance <Emphasis> Mark </Emphasis> Liberman was interested uh in - in L_D_C getting <Pause/> data, uh, and -
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      Right, that's the found data idea. But what I'm saying is uh if I talk to people that I know who <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> these th- who <Emphasis> produce </Emphasis> these things we could ask them if they could record an extra channel,
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      Yeah.
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      let's say, of a distant <Emphasis> mike. </Emphasis>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And u- I think <Emphasis> routinely </Emphasis> they would not <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> this.
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      So, since I'm interested in the distant <Emphasis> mike </Emphasis> stuff, I wanna make sure that there is at least <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> <Emphasis> somewhere </Emphasis>
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      Right. <Uncertain> Great </Uncertain>. O_K.
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      and uh - But if we ask them to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that they might be <Emphasis> intrigued </Emphasis> enough by the idea that they
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      uh might be e- e- willing to - the - I might be able to talk them into it.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Um. We're getting towards the end of our disk space, so we should think about trying to wrap up here.
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      O_K. Well I don't - why don't we - why d- u- why don't we uh uh turn them - turn the -
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      That's a good way to end a meeting. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      O_K, leave - leave them on for a moment until I turn this off, cuz that's when it crashed last time.
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      <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis>
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      That's good to know.
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      Turning off the microphone made it crash. Well -
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      That's good to know.
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      O_K.
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