ICSI_original_transcripts/transcripts/Bed005.mrt

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      Yeah, I think I got my mike on.
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      O_K.
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      Let's see.
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      O_K. Ami, do yours then we'll <Uncertain> open it </Uncertain> and I think it'll be enough.
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      Mmm - Doesn't, uh - It should be the other way. Yeah, now it's on.
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      Right. O_K.
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      O_K. So, we all switched on?
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      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/> We are <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> switched on, yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Alright. Anyway. So, uh, before we get started with the, uh, <Emphasis> technical </Emphasis> part, I just want to review what I <Emphasis> think </Emphasis> is happening with the -
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      We are all switched on.
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      <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> data collection. <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> So -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Uh, probably after today, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      that shouldn't come up in this meeting. Th- this - this is s- <Pronounce> should  </Pronounce> be im- it isn't - There's another thing going on of gathering data, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and that's pretty much independent of this. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      But, uh, I just want to make sure we're all together on this. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      What we think is gonna happen is that,
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      uh, in <Emphasis> parallel </Emphasis> starting about now <VocalSound Description="breath"/> we're gonna get Fey <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      to,
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      where you're working with me and Robert, draft a note that we're gonna send out to various CogSci c- and other classes saying, "here's an opportunity to be a subject. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And then there'll be a certain number of um, hours during the week which she will be available and we'll bring in
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      people. Uh, roughly how many, Robert?
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      We d- Do we know?
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Um, fifty was <Uncertain> our </Uncertain> - sort of our first -
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      O_K. So, we're looking for a total of fifty people, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> not necessarily by <Emphasis> any </Emphasis> means all students but we'll s- we'll start with - with that.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> In <Emphasis> parallel </Emphasis> with that, we're gonna need to actually do the <Emphasis> script. </Emphasis>
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      And, so, I guess there's a plan to have a meeting Friday afternoon
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      Uh, with - uh, Jane, and maybe Liz and <Emphasis> whoever, </Emphasis> on actually getting the script worked out.
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      But what I'd <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> to do, if it's O_<Emphasis> K, </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      is to s-
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      to, as I say, start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week.
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      The week after that's Spring Break, and maybe we'll look for them - some subjects next door or <Pause/> i-
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      <Uncertain> Yeah </Uncertain>.
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      Yeah. Also, <Emphasis> Fey </Emphasis> will not be here during spring break. So.
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      Oh, O_K, then we won't do it. O_K. So that's easy.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Um.
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      So, is - Is <Emphasis> that </Emphasis>
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      make sense to everybody?
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      Yeah. Also, um, F- <VocalSound Description="breath"/> both Fey and I will, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      do something of which I may, eh -
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      kindly ask you to - to do the same thing, which is we gonna check out our <Emphasis> social </Emphasis> infrastructures for possible subjects. Meaning, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      um, kid children's gymnastic classes, pre-school parents and so forth. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      They also sometimes have flexible schedules. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So, if you happen to be sort of in a non-student social setting, and you know people who may be interested in being subjects - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/>
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      We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers, maybe, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and get <Emphasis> them </Emphasis> interested in
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      That's a good idea.
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      And, um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So that's as far as our brainstorming was concerned.
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      Oh, yeah. The <Emphasis> high </Emphasis> school's a <Emphasis> great </Emphasis> idea.
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      So.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> But I - I will just make a first draft of the, uh, <Emphasis> note, </Emphasis> the "write-up" note, send it to you and Fey and then -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> And why don't you also copy Jane on it?
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      And, um,
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      Are we - Have we concurred that, uh, these - these forms are sufficient for us, and necessary? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Uh, th- I think they're <Emphasis> necessary. </Emphasis>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> This - The <Emphasis> permission </Emphasis> form.
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      Mmm. Nuh.
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      Uh, there <Emphasis> has </Emphasis> to <Emphasis> be </Emphasis> one, and I think we're just gonna use it as it is, and <Pause/>
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      N_.
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      Um <Pause/>
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      You happy with that?
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      Well, yeah. There's one tricky part
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      about,
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      um, they have the right <Pause/>
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      um <Pause/> <Comment Description="shuffling papers"/>
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      I- The last paragraph <Comment Description="colon"/> "if you agree to participate you have the opportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not to have included in the data set."
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      O_K? <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Now <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> we- had to be included for this
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      <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> one which might have, uh, meetings, you know, <Emphasis> about </Emphasis> something. In this case, it doesn't <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> make sense.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Um, so what I'd <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> to do
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      is <Emphasis> also </Emphasis> have <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> subjects sign a waiver
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      saying "I don't want to see the final transcript".
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And if they <Emphasis> don't </Emphasis> - If they say "no, I'm not willing to <Emphasis> sign </Emphasis> that", then we'll <Emphasis> show </Emphasis> them the final transcript. But, um.
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      <Uncertain> Yep </Uncertain>. Makes sense.
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      That, uh -
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      <Uncertain> yeah </Uncertain>, so we <Emphasis> might </Emphasis> actually, um <Pause/>
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      S- i- <Emphasis> Jane </Emphasis> may say that, "you know, you can't <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> this", uh,
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      "on the same form, we need a <Emphasis> separate </Emphasis> form." But anyway. I'd - I'd - I'd like to,
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      e- e- um, add an- a little thi- eh - a thing for them to initial, saying "nah, do- I don't want to see the final transcript." But other than that, that's one's been approved,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      this really <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> the same project,
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      uh, rec- you know. And so forth. So I think we just go with it.
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      <Uncertain> Yeah </Uncertain>.
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      <Uncertain> Yeah </Uncertain>.
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      O_K.
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      So much for the data, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      except that with Munich everything is fine now.
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      They're gonna <VocalSound Description="breath"/> transcribe. They're also gonna translate the, uh, German data from the
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      T_V and cinema stuff for Andreas. So.
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      They're - <Emphasis> they </Emphasis> all seem to be happy now, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      with that. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <Uncertain> w- c- </Uncertain> sh- should we move on to the technical sides? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yep.
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      Well I guess the good - <Emphasis> good </Emphasis> news of <Emphasis> last </Emphasis> week was the <Emphasis> parser. </Emphasis>
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      So, um <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Bhaskara and I started working on the - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      the parser. Then Bhaskara went to class and once he came back, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      it was finished. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      It, uh - I didn't measure it, but it was about an hour and ten minutes.
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      Yep. Something like that.
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      And, um - and now it's - We have a complete English parser that does everything the German parser does.
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      Which is <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> not a <Emphasis> lot. </Emphasis> But - <Pause/>
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      That's the, uh, point. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      The - uh, <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> not a <Emphasis> lot. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="463.634" EndTime="464.920" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> O_K.
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      Yes.
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      Right. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      And um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="467.181" EndTime="470.430" Participant="fe004">
      What did you end up having to do? I mean, wha- Was there anything <Pause/>
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      Well, if you, eh -
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      We'll show you.
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      interesting about it at all? or are we gonna see that?
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    <Segment StartTime="471.361" EndTime="472.600" Participant="me010">
      Yeah, we can <Emphasis> show </Emphasis> us, right?
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    <Segment StartTime="472.241" EndTime="473.619" Participant="mn015">
      Well, w- w-
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      We d- The first we did is we - we tried to - to do - change the - the  <Foreign Language="de" Description="&quot;run&quot;"> "laufen"  </Foreign> into "run", <VocalSound Description="breath"/> or "running", <VocalSound Description="breath"/> or "runs". <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="479.952" EndTime="480.642" Participant="me010">
      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="481.137" EndTime="481.886" Participant="fe004">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="481.489" EndTime="485.352" Participant="mn015">
      And we noticed that whatever we tried to do, it no effect. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="485.190" EndTime="486.298" Participant="fe004">
      O_K.
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    <Segment StartTime="485.352" EndTime="487.249" Participant="mn015">
      And we were puzzled. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="486.868" EndTime="487.525" Participant="fe004">
      Mm-hmm.
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      And, uh, the <Emphasis> reason </Emphasis> was that the parser i- c-
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      completely ignores the verb. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Hmm. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Interesting parser property. <Comment Description="while laughing"/>
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      So <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> sentence -
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      sentence is -
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <Emphasis> parses </Emphasis> the p- the same output, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="500.300" EndTime="504.090" Participant="mn015">
      um, even if you leave out, um,
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    <Segment StartTime="500.355" EndTime="501.990" Participant="fe004">
      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see. Yeah. <Comment Description="last word whispered"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="504.430" EndTime="509.931" Participant="mn015">
      all - all of <Emphasis> this. </Emphasis> So it's basically feature film and T_V.
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    <Segment StartTime="509.280" EndTime="512.810" Participant="fe004">
      Today <Pause/> O_K. And the - t- and the time, right?
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    <Segment StartTime="509.931" EndTime="511.400" Participant="mn015">
      That's what you need. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="511.400" EndTime="519.920" Participant="mn015">
      If - if you'd add - add Today and Evening, it'll add Time or not. So it - i- it <Emphasis> does </Emphasis> look at that. But all the rest is p- simply frosting on the cake, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="515.260" EndTime="516.100" Participant="fe004">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="519.920" EndTime="521.826" Participant="mn015">
      and it's optional for that parser.
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    <Segment StartTime="520.134" EndTime="521.252" Participant="fe004">
      True.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> And -
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    <Segment StartTime="522.294" EndTime="526.180" Participant="me010">
      So, you can sho- You - you - Are - are you gonna show us the little templates? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      S-
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="526.410" EndTime="529.169" Participant="mn015">
      Yeah. We ar- we can sh- er - I can show you the templates. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Uncertain> "The former end g-" </Uncertain> <Comment Description="apparently reading"/> Oh, I see. Uh-huh.
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      I - I also have it <Emphasis> running </Emphasis> here, so if I <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      do <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> now,
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    <Segment StartTime="534.445" EndTime="536.709" Participant="mn015">
      um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> you can see that
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      it parsed the wonderful English sentence, "Which films are on the cinema today <Pause/> evening?" <Comment Description="while smiling"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Well, that sounds - <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      But, um. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Uh do- don't worry about it. It could be
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      "<Emphasis> this </Emphasis> evening, which - which films are on the cinema", or "running in the cinema, which -"
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      O_K.
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      uh, "today evening", uh i-
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      "Is anything happening in the cinema this evening?"
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      O_K. <Emphasis> Key </Emphasis> words, e- basically.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="556.302" EndTime="557.035" Participant="me010">
      <Emphasis> Well </Emphasis> <Pause/>
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      Ge- elaborate, or, more or less, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> uh - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="559.710" EndTime="561.655" Participant="me010">
      Actually, it's a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> tricky,
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      in that there's some
    </Segment>
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      allowable German orders which aren't allowable English orders and so forth. And it <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> order-based. So it - it -
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      Isn't it?
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      No.
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      No.
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      <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis> So it - it doe- I- it - These -
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      u- these optional elements, it's - it's actually a <Emphasis> set, </Emphasis> not a <Emphasis> sequence? </Emphasis>
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      It is not - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yeah. We were - I was afraid that, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Oh! <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So it really <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> key word matching, basically. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Emphasis> Really </Emphasis> a se-
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="582.375" EndTime="583.982" Participant="mn036">
      e- yeah. <Uncertain> Mm-hmm. </Uncertain>
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      Oh, <Emphasis> wow. </Emphasis>
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      Um, I mean, these sentences are just silly. I mean, uh, d- these were not the ones we - we actually <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> it. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="587.783" EndTime="588.713" Participant="fe004">
      <Emphasis> Hmm. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="593.132" EndTime="597.810" Participant="mn015">
      Um. What's an idiomatic of phrasing this? Which films are <Pause/>
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      <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain> <Comment Description="uncodeable vocal sound"/> Are pl- <Emphasis> playing </Emphasis> at the cinema? <Comment Description="completing [mn015]'s utterance"/>
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      showing? playing?
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    <Segment StartTime="599.100" EndTime="599.723" Participant="me012">
      Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="603.720" EndTime="604.540" Participant="fe004">
      Tonight?
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      I changed that file, actually, where it's on my account.
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      Actually, you would say, "which films are <Emphasis> on </Emphasis> tonight?"
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      This - this evening?
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      You want to get it? Or - is - di- was it easy to get it?
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    <Segment StartTime="611.171" EndTime="613.010" Participant="mn015">
      Um. I have no net here.
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    <Segment StartTime="612.664" EndTime="613.600" Participant="me012">
      Oh, O_K.
    </Segment>
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      Do I? <Comment Description="whispered, offering"/>
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      O_K. So. Wonderful parse, same thing. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="621.116" EndTime="622.160" Participant="mn015">
      Um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="623.180" EndTime="624.275" Participant="me010">
      Right. <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      Except that we d- w- we don't have this, uh, time information here now, which is,
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      um - <Pause/> <Comment Description="distracted by laptop"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="634.790" EndTime="635.884" Participant="mn015">
      Oh. This - are the reserve.
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    <Segment StartTime="635.884" EndTime="636.921" Participant="mn015">
      <Emphasis> Anyways. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="636.921" EndTime="637.248" Participant="mn015">
      So.
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      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="638.295" EndTime="639.575" Participant="mn015">
      Um.
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    <Segment StartTime="639.575" EndTime="643.490" Participant="mn015">
      These are the - sort of the ten different sentence types
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    <Segment StartTime="643.490" EndTime="645.600" Participant="mn015">
      that the uh - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="645.600" EndTime="650.155" Participant="mn015">
      the parser was able to do. And it still <Emphasis> is, </Emphasis> now in English. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="with aspirated glottal stop"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="650.155" EndTime="652.140" Participant="mn015">
      And, um - Sorry. <Comment Description="probably referring to PowerPoint visual"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="652.752" EndTime="654.150" Participant="mn015">
      And, um
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    <Segment StartTime="655.083" EndTime="659.550" Participant="mn015">
      you have already to make it a little bit more elaborate, right?
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      Yeah, I mean I changed those sentences to make it, uh,
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      more, uh, idiomatic.
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      And, of course, you can have i-
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      <Emphasis> many </Emphasis> variations in those sentences, they will still parse fine.
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      So, in a sense it's pretty broad. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      O_K.
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      <Uncertain> O_K. </Uncertain>
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      So, if you want to <Emphasis> look </Emphasis> at the templates, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      they're conveniently located in a file, "template".
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      Um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> is what I had to do. I had to change, <Uncertain NumSyllables="6"> @@ </Uncertain> <Comment Description="uncodeable vocal sounds"/>
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      <Foreign Language="de"> "Spielfilm"  </Foreign> to "film", uh,  <Foreign Language="de"> "Film"  </Foreign> to "movie", cinem-  <Foreign Language="de"> "Kino"  </Foreign> to "cinema" -
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      to- "today" - heu-  <Foreign Language="de"> "heute"  </Foreign> to "today", evening -  <Foreign Language="de"> "Abend"  </Foreign> to "evening"
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    <Segment StartTime="692.403" EndTime="693.200" Participant="fe004">
      Huh.
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
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      Capitalized as well <Pause/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
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      Hmm.
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      And, um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="699.076" EndTime="700.201" Participant="fe004">
      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Y- i- <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
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      One thing I was wondering, was,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="700.625" EndTime="703.723" Participant="me012">
      those functions there, are those things that modify the M_-three-L_ basically?
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    <Segment StartTime="701.490" EndTime="706.100" Participant="mn036">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="703.811" EndTime="704.859" Participant="mn015">
      Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="704.128" EndTime="704.885" Participant="me012">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="705.536" EndTime="709.521" Participant="mn015">
      And that's - that's the next step, but we'll get to that in a second. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="707.545" EndTime="708.461" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> p- <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="709.521" EndTime="711.950" Participant="mn015">
      And so <Emphasis> this </Emphasis> means, um,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="709.761" EndTime="711.155" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Oh. <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="712.659" EndTime="716.228" Participant="mn015">
      "this" and "see" are not optional.
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    <Segment StartTime="716.228" EndTime="721.910" Participant="mn015">
      "Want I like" is all <Emphasis> maybe </Emphasis> in there, but may also <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> be in there. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="721.040" EndTime="725.356" Participant="me010">
      So - so, the <Emphasis> point </Emphasis> is, if it says "<Emphasis> this </Emphasis>" and "<Emphasis> see </Emphasis>", it also will work in "<Emphasis> see </Emphasis>" and "<Emphasis> this </Emphasis>"?
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    <Segment StartTime="721.644" EndTime="722.534" Participant="fe004">
      S-
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="725.941" EndTime="727.029" Participant="me010">
      In the other order?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="726.062" EndTime="726.553" Participant="mn015">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="727.029" EndTime="728.457" Participant="me010">
      with those two key words?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="727.100" EndTime="728.250" Participant="mn015">
      Should we try it?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="733.318" EndTime="734.764" Participant="me010">
      "This is the one I want to see"
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    <Segment StartTime="735.289" EndTime="736.029" Participant="me010">
      or whatever.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="737.286" EndTime="738.010" Participant="mn015">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="738.010" EndTime="739.723" Participant="mn015">
      "Action watch", <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="739.192" EndTime="739.542" Participant="me012">
      Hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="739.723" EndTime="742.757" Participant="mn015">
      whatever. <Pronounce Pronunciation="&quot;nnnothing&quot;"> Nothing  </Pronounce> was specialfi- specified. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="742.757" EndTime="747.380" Participant="mn015">
      <Emphasis> except </Emphasis> that it has some references to audio-visual media here. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="744.116" EndTime="745.260" Participant="me012">
      A_V medium. <Comment Description="completing [mn015]'s sentence"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="746.226" EndTime="747.258" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="747.258" EndTime="747.677" Participant="me012">
      Yeah.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="747.603" EndTime="751.660" Participant="mn015">
      Where it gets <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> from - <Comment Description="rising"/> It's correct, but I don't know where it gets it from.
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    <Segment StartTime="750.930" EndTime="751.700" Participant="me012">
      "<Emphasis> See </Emphasis>".
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="751.869" EndTime="753.480" Participant="mn015">
      Oh, "<Emphasis> see </Emphasis>". Yeah.
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    <Segment StartTime="753.147" EndTime="754.886" Participant="me012">
      I mean it's sort of - <Comment Description="abandons as clear"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="753.480" EndTime="755.290" Participant="mn015">
      Yeah. Yep. O_K. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="755.290" EndTime="758.980" Participant="mn015">
      And "see this" <Comment Description="rising intonation"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="759.554" EndTime="761.240" Participant="mn015">
      is exactly the same thing. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="761.161" EndTime="762.544" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="761.600" EndTime="763.160" Participant="me010">
      O_K, so it <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> set-based. Alright.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="763.160" EndTime="764.248" Participant="me012">
      One thing I was wondering was,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="764.248" EndTime="764.506" Participant="me012">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="764.506" EndTime="766.475" Participant="me012">
      those percentage signs, right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="766.475" EndTime="767.596" Participant="me012">
      So, I mean,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="767.274" EndTime="767.957" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="767.596" EndTime="770.320" Participant="me012">
      why do we even <Emphasis> have </Emphasis> them? Because - if you didn't have them - <Comment Description="abandoned as clear"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="768.631" EndTime="769.228" Participant="mn015">
      Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="769.920" EndTime="773.320" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh-cough"/> Uh, I'll <Emphasis> tell </Emphasis> you why. Because it gives a - you a <Emphasis> score. </Emphasis>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="773.225" EndTime="773.865" Participant="fe004">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="773.683" EndTime="774.727" Participant="me012">
      Oh.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="774.161" EndTime="777.385" Participant="mn015">
      And the value of the score is, v- <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> assume,
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    <Segment StartTime="777.385" EndTime="782.460" Participant="mn015">
      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> guess, the more of these optional things that are actually in there, the higher the r- score <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="780.455" EndTime="781.022" Participant="me012">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="780.840" EndTime="781.744" Participant="mn036">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="781.042" EndTime="782.135" Participant="fe004">
      It's a match.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="781.236" EndTime="782.700" Participant="me012">
      So <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> the main purpose. Alright.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="782.700" EndTime="783.810" Participant="mn015">
      it is.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="783.439" EndTime="784.190" Participant="fe004">
      Mm-hmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="784.742" EndTime="785.268" Participant="me010">
      O_K.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="787.601" EndTime="788.399" Participant="me012">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="789.220" EndTime="793.030" Participant="mn015">
      So we - we shouldn't belittle it <Emphasis> too </Emphasis> much. It's <Emphasis> doing </Emphasis> something,
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    <Segment StartTime="790.255" EndTime="791.671" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="793.291" EndTime="794.234" Participant="fe004">
      <VocalSound Description="sniff"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="793.720" EndTime="794.780" Participant="mn015">
      <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> things,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="794.740" EndTime="795.585" Participant="me012">
      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="795.170" EndTime="796.590" Participant="mn015">
      and it's very flexible.
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    <Segment StartTime="797.084" EndTime="798.993" Participant="mn036">
      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="797.089" EndTime="798.400" Participant="mn015">
      I've just tried to
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="797.218" EndTime="798.630" Participant="fe004">
      Mm-hmm. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="798.630" EndTime="799.040" Participant="fe004">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="798.993" EndTime="800.897" Participant="mn036">
      Right. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> <Comment Description="as if to speak"/> <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="799.040" EndTime="799.645" Participant="mn015">
      be nice.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="799.197" EndTime="801.900" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> No, no. Fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, flexible it <Emphasis> is. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="799.645" EndTime="801.086" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="laugh-breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="799.723" EndTime="800.802" Participant="fe004">
      <Uncertain> Right </Uncertain> - Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="800.897" EndTime="801.580" Participant="mn036">
      But - <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="801.187" EndTime="801.891" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="clears throat"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="801.891" EndTime="803.450" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="cough"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="804.650" EndTime="805.628" Participant="mn015">
      O_K. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="805.362" EndTime="806.316" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="click"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="805.628" EndTime="812.409" Participant="mn015">
      Um, let's hope that the generation will not be more difficult, even though the generator is a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> bit more complex.
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    <Segment StartTime="812.994" EndTime="814.700" Participant="mn015">
      Uh but we'll -
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="814.700" EndTime="815.463" Participant="mn015">
      Mmm,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="815.463" EndTime="820.755" Participant="mn015">
      that means we may need two hours and twenty minutes rather than an hour ten minutes, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="819.411" EndTime="821.118" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Alright.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="819.497" EndTime="820.184" Participant="me012">
      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="820.184" EndTime="821.011" Participant="me012">
      Right.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="820.755" EndTime="821.560" Participant="mn015">
      I hope.
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    <Segment StartTime="822.740" EndTime="828.565" Participant="mn015">
      And the next thing I would <Emphasis> like </Emphasis> to be able to do, and it seems like this would not be too difficult <Emphasis> either, </Emphasis> is <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="828.565" EndTime="834.602" Participant="mn015">
      to say, "O_K let's now pretend we <Pronounce> actually  </Pronounce> wanted to not only change the - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="834.602" EndTime="842.977" Participant="mn015">
      the <Emphasis> mapping </Emphasis> of - of, uh, words to the M_-three-L_ but we also wanted to change - add a new sentence type and and make up some - some new M_-three-L_ - s-"
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    <Segment StartTime="840.972" EndTime="841.488" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="841.734" EndTime="842.149" Participant="me010">
      So-
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    <Segment StartTime="842.149" EndTime="842.508" Participant="me010">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="842.508" EndTime="844.996" Participant="me010">
      That'd be <Emphasis> great. </Emphasis> It would be a good exercise to just see <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="842.977" EndTime="843.750" Participant="mn015">
      See th- <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="844.996" EndTime="846.430" Participant="me010">
      whether one can get that to <Emphasis> run. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="846.240" EndTime="847.090" Participant="mn015">
      Mm-hmm. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="847.090" EndTime="847.382" Participant="mn015">
      Yep.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="849.010" EndTime="850.070" Participant="mn015">
      And, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="850.140" EndTime="852.352" Participant="me012">
      So, that's - Fine, yeah. <Comment Description="last two words whispered"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="851.050" EndTime="852.410" Participant="mn015">
      that's - shouldn't be too tough.
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    <Segment StartTime="852.352" EndTime="856.530" Participant="me012">
      Yeah, so where are those - those functions "Action", "Goodbye", and so on, right? Are they actually, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="856.790" EndTime="860.689" Participant="me012">
      Are they going to be called? Um, are they present in the code for the parser?
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    <Segment StartTime="861.760" EndTime="865.911" Participant="mn015">
      Yeah. I think what it does, it i- i- it does something sort of fancy. It loads
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="865.911" EndTime="866.940" Participant="mn015">
      um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="867.250" EndTime="870.142" Participant="mn015">
      It has these style sheets and also the, um,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="871.230" EndTime="872.480" Participant="mn015">
      schemata. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="872.510" EndTime="875.470" Participant="mn015">
      So what it probably does, is it takes the, uh,
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="877.631" EndTime="877.780" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="877.780" EndTime="878.740" Participant="mn015">
      um - <Pause/>
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    <Segment StartTime="880.702" EndTime="884.670" Participant="mn015">
      Is this where it is? This is already the X_M_L stuff? <Comment Description="to self"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="887.579" EndTime="892.810" Participant="mn015">
      This is where it takes its own, um, syntax,
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    <Segment StartTime="894.248" EndTime="896.777" Participant="mn015">
      and converts it somehow. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="896.777" EndTime="898.068" Participant="mn015">
      Um. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="898.068" EndTime="899.530" Participant="mn015">
      Where is the uh -
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="902.052" EndTime="903.871" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="tongue taps"/> <Comment Description="vocal gesture, searching in progress"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="904.883" EndTime="905.810" Participant="me012">
      What are you looking for?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="905.980" EndTime="906.342" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="906.342" EndTime="913.100" Participant="mn015">
      Um, where it actually produces the - the X_M_L out of the, uh, parsed <Pause/> stuff.
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    <Segment StartTime="910.754" EndTime="911.592" Participant="me012">
      Oh, O_K. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="914.019" EndTime="914.621" Participant="mn015">
      <VocalSound Description="tongue taps"/> <Comment Description="vocal gesture, searching in progress"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="918.810" EndTime="920.992" Participant="mn015">
      No, this is not it. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="920.992" EndTime="922.790" Participant="mn015">
      Uh. I can't find it now. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="928.197" EndTime="931.688" Participant="mn015">
      You mean, where the - where the act- how the action "Goodbye"
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="931.688" EndTime="933.830" Participant="mn015">
      maps into something -
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    <Segment StartTime="933.817" EndTime="934.596" Participant="me012">
      Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="935.150" EndTime="937.160" Participant="me003">
      Yeah, where are those constructors defined?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="935.835" EndTime="936.442" Participant="me012">
      Oh.
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    <Segment StartTime="937.379" EndTime="938.785" Participant="me012">
      No, that's not it. <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="937.413" EndTime="938.380" Participant="mn015">
      Nope.
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    <Segment StartTime="949.480" EndTime="950.166" Participant="mn015">
      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="950.166" EndTime="951.650" Participant="mn015">
      This is sort of what happens.
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    <Segment StartTime="951.650" EndTime="955.495" Participant="mn015">
      This is what you would need to - to change - to get the, uh, X_M_L changed. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="955.495" EndTime="958.020" Participant="mn015">
      So when it encounts- encounters "Day", <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="956.657" EndTime="958.360" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="958.430" EndTime="959.780" Participant="mn015">
      it will, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="964.820" EndTime="968.840" Participant="mn015">
      activate those h- classes in the - in the X_M_L stuff <Pause/> <Comment Description="with a quasi-questioning tone"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="968.951" EndTime="970.128" Participant="me012">
      <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="969.376" EndTime="970.680" Participant="mn015">
      But, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="971.560" EndTime="974.770" Participant="mn015">
      I <Emphasis> saw </Emphasis> those actions - uh, the "Goodbye" stuff somewhere.
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    <Segment StartTime="974.770" EndTime="977.335" Participant="mn015">
      Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. <Comment Description="vocal gesture, denoting thinking"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="977.460" EndTime="978.450" Participant="me003">
      Grep for it?
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="979.697" EndTime="980.110" Participant="mn015">
      <Uncertain> Yeah </Uncertain>.
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    <Segment StartTime="980.110" EndTime="980.878" Participant="mn015">
      Let's do that.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="998.121" EndTime="998.900" Participant="mn015">
      <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis>
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    <Segment StartTime="1000.140" EndTime="1000.862" CloseMic="false">
      <NonVocalSound Description="computer beep"/>
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1003.977" EndTime="1005.295" Participant="me003">
      <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1008.608" EndTime="1009.055" Participant="me012">
      Mmm.
    </Segment>
    <Segment StartTime="1009.055" EndTime="1010.720" Participant="me012">
      M_-three-L_ dot D_T_D?
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    <Segment StartTime="1010.684" EndTime="1011.480" Participant="mn015">
      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="1025.180" EndTime="1026.018" Participant="me012">
      That's just a <Pause/>
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    <Segment StartTime="1026.464" EndTime="1028.041" Participant="me012">
      specification for the X_M_L
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    <Segment StartTime="1027.900" EndTime="1028.590" Participant="mn015">
      Yep.
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    <Segment StartTime="1028.041" EndTime="1029.008" Participant="me012">
      format.
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    <Segment StartTime="1040.210" EndTime="1041.670" Participant="mn015">
      Well, we'll find that out.
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      So whatever - n- this does - I mean this is, basically, looks l- to me like a function call, right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Hmm? Oh, yeah.
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      And, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      So, whenever it - it encounters "Goodbye",
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      which we can make it do in a second, here <Pause/>
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      That function automatically generates an initialized
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      X_M_L structure?
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      I think each of those functions act on the current X_M_L structure, and
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      change it in some way, for example, by adding a -
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> y-
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      a l- a <Emphasis> field </Emphasis> to it, or something.
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      Yeah. They also seem to affect <Emphasis> state, </Emphasis> cause some of them -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      there were <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> actions
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      Right.
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      uh, that - that s- seemed to step - state variables somewhere, like the n- s- "<Emphasis> Discourse </Emphasis> Status Confirm". <Comment Description="rising intonation"/>
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      Yep. <VocalSound Description="sniff"/>
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      O_K. So that's going to be a call on the discourse and <VocalSound Description="breath"/> confirm that it's -
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      W- we- Mm-hmm <Pause/>
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      Oh, you mean that's not going to actually <Emphasis> modify </Emphasis> the tree, but it's going to <Emphasis> change </Emphasis> the event. <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis> <Emphasis> Oh. </Emphasis>
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      I think that's right. I think it's actually - That <Emphasis> looks </Emphasis> like it's state modification.
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      e- <Comment Description="squeaky vocal sound"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="sniff"/> e- mmm <Pause/>
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Um, well i-
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      When there's a feature.
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      There is a feature called "Discourse-Status", <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yeah.
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      And so whenever I just say, "Write",
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      it will - it will put this in here. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Oh, so it always just - Is it - So it -
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      Well, go <Emphasis> back, </Emphasis> then, cuz it may be that <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> those th- things,
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      h-
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      while they <Emphasis> look </Emphasis> like function calls, are just
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      a way of adding exactly that to the X_M_L.
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      Yep.
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      Uh-huh!
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      I'm not - I'm not <Emphasis> sure. </Emphasis>
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      So, this -
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      e- I'm not sure - e- that -
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      Um - well, we - we'll see, when we say,
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      let's <Emphasis> test </Emphasis> something, <Comment Description="embedded"/>
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      "Goodbye",
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      causes it to c- to create basically an "Action Goodbye-End-Action". <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Which is a means of telling the system to shut down.
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      Now, if we know that "Write"
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      produces a "Feature Discourse-Status Confirm Discourse-Status".
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      So if I now say "Write,
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      Goodbye,"
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      it should do that. <Comment Description="showing actions on a computer in the meeting"/>
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      It sho- it creates <Emphasis> this, </Emphasis>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Right.
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      "Confirm Goodbye". <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Uncertain> Right there. </Uncertain> <Comment Description="whispered"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yep.
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      But there <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> some kind of function call, because how does it know to put Goodbye in Content, but, uh, Confirm in Features?
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      So-
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      Oh. It d- it - n- That's because -
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      So, it's not just that it's adding that field. It's <Pause/>
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      Right.
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      O_K.
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      Absolutely. Good point.
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      It's - it's - the - It's under what sub-type you're doing it. Yeah.
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      Mm-hmm. <Uncertain> Yeah </Uncertain>.
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      <Uncertain> It's </Uncertain> <Emphasis> mystery </Emphasis> functions.
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      Well, they're <Emphasis> defined </Emphasis> somewhere, presumably.
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      Well, sometimes it m- Sometimes, i-
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      Yeah, each is - S- so that's funny. You bury the s- the state in the function <Pause/>
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      When it - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Alright. Uh <Pause/> <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain>
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      it - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Well, it just automatically initializes things that are common, right? So it's just a shorthand.
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      Yeah.
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      For example - Oh, this is German. Sorry.
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      e-
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      So, now, <Emphasis> this, </Emphasis> it cannot do anymore. Nothing comes out of here.
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      A "not a number" is a value. Awesome. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So, it
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      a reference -
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      So, this tells us that whatever is - has the I_D "<Emphasis> zero </Emphasis>" is referenced here -
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      "And where is it playing?" There should also be a reference to something, maybe.
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      Our d- This is re- um <Pause/>
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      Here, we change - and so, we - Here we add something to the Discourse-Status, that the user wants to change something that was sort of done before <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And, uh -
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      and that, whatever is being changed has something to do with the cinema.
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      So then, whatever takes this M_-three-L_ is what actually changes the state, not the -
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      Yeah, O_K.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      No, right, the Discourse Maintainer, yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> see. And it - and it runs around looking for Discourse Status
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      tags,
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      And other people <Emphasis> ignore </Emphasis> those tags. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Alright.
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      So, yeah. I definitely think it's - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      It's worth
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      Hmm?
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      Uh <Pause/>
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      Disc-
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      Yeah, <Uncertain> a kid </Uncertain> understanding what's going on. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Then the <Emphasis> next </Emphasis> thing we talked about is actually, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      um, figuring out how to add our own
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      <Emphasis> tags, </Emphasis> and stuff like that.
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      O_K.
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      Point number <Emphasis> two. </Emphasis>
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      I got the, uh, M_-three-L_ for the routes today.
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      Uh, so I got some more.
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      This is sort of the uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Hmm. Interesting. It's just going <Emphasis> up, </Emphasis> it's not going
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      So, this is - um, what I got today is <VocalSound Description="breath"/> the - the new <VocalSound Description="breath"/> um <VocalSound Description="breath"/> M_-three-L_ for
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      um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> the Maps, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Yep.
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      uh, and with some examples - So, this is the X_M_L and this is sort of what it will look like later on,
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      even though it - you can't see it on - on this resolution. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And this is what it - sort of is the - the structure of Map requests,
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      um <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      also not very interesting, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and here is the <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> interesting stuff for us, is the routes,
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      and, again, as we thought it's really simple. This is sort of the, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And, um,
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      I asked them whether or not we could, um -
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      First of all, I was little bit -
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      It seems to me that some notions were missing.
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      So these are - these are -
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      Yep. Who are doing this.
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      So this is not a <Emphasis> complicated </Emphasis> negotiation.
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      There's - there's not <Emphasis> seven </Emphasis> committees, or anything, right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      No. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      No, this is very straightforward. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Emphasis> Great. </Emphasis> So this is just trying to -
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      It's a <Emphasis> design </Emphasis> thing, not a <Emphasis> political </Emphasis> thing.
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      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Once we've - eh - We can just sort of agree on what oughta be done.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Exactly. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> And, um -
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      Good.
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      And, uh - <Pause/>
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      However, the, uh -
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      e- So that you understand, it is <Emphasis> really </Emphasis> simple. Uh - You - you have a <Emphasis> route, </Emphasis> and you cut it up in different pieces.
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      And every -
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      every <Emphasis> element </Emphasis> of that e- r- r- f- of that -
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      Every <Emphasis> segment </Emphasis> we call a "route element".
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      And so, from A_ to B_ we cut up in three different steps,
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      and every step has a "<Emphasis> from </Emphasis> object" where you <Emphasis> start, </Emphasis> a "<Emphasis> to </Emphasis> object" where y- where <Pause/> you sort of <Emphasis> end, </Emphasis> and some points of interest along the way.
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      What w- I was sort of missing here, and uh, maybe it was just me being too stupid, is, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> I didn't sort of get the - the notion of the global goal
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      And some <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> stuff. And I <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Also allocating, uh, some tags for our Action Schema Enter-Vista-Approach, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And also,
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      um, since <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> had suggested that -
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      of how we can do it.
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      Now, what's the state of the art of getting to <Emphasis> entrances, </Emphasis> um, what's the syntax for that, how get- getting to <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <Emphasis> vista </Emphasis> points and calculating those on the spot. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And the <Emphasis> Approach </Emphasis> mode, anyhow, is the default.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> So, well, let - Now, this is <Emphasis> important. </Emphasis> Let, uh - I want a- a- Again, outside of m- almost <Emphasis> managerial </Emphasis> point, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      um -
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> So it seemed to me, what we ought to do is get <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> story together.
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      O_K? And think about it some, <Emphasis> internally, </Emphasis> before
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      asking them to make <Emphasis> changes. </Emphasis>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      uh, something where you, um - <Pause/>
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      And I - I don't know who's mok- working most closely on it. <Emphasis> Probably </Emphasis> Johno.
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      Uh, take what they have,
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      O_K? <Comment Description="embedded"/> and then have a d- a - an iteration within <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> group saying "Hmm, well -"
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      O_K? And get <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> best idea of what we should add.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And <Emphasis> then </Emphasis> go back to them.
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      Is i- or, I don't know does this make sense to you? Or <Pause/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I- w-
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      one of these days,
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> That's right. So. So, Yeah. The problem isn't the <Emphasis> short </Emphasis> ra- range optimization.
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      It's the sort of - o- one or two <Emphasis> year </Emphasis> kind of thing. O_K. What are the thl- <Emphasis> class </Emphasis> of things we think we might try to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> in a year or two? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      How - how would we try to <Emphasis> characterize </Emphasis> those and what do we want to request <Emphasis> now </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      that's leave enough space to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> all that stuff?
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      Mm-hmm. Yep.
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      Right. And that re- that requires some thought.
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      Yep.
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      So y- so you guys will <VocalSound Description="breath"/> send to the rest of us
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      um, <Emphasis> this, </Emphasis>
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      Mmm.
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      tu- uh, tur- change the description to, uh,
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      O_K.
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      and, um,
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <Emphasis> action </Emphasis> end. Uh, at some point we're going to have to worry about the <Emphasis> language </Emphasis> end. But for the moment just <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So what would - O_K.
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      We don't - I mean, that's an <Emphasis> issue. </Emphasis> We don't <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> what, entirely.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Right.
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> No. I think - I think the i- the idea is <Pause/>
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      Mmm.
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      And, um -
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      uh, push us into reference problems, that would be great.
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      O_K.
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      O_K, so this is - his specialty is - reference,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and - you know, what - what <Emphasis> are </Emphasis> these things referring to? Not <Emphasis> only </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      And, again, this is li- in the databa- this is also <Emphasis> pretty </Emphasis> well formed because there is an ontology,
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      um, you know, the Evening Star or stuff like that. I- i- it -
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      Right.
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      <Emphasis> All </Emphasis> the entities
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      Right.
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      There aren't
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      <Uncertain> Right. </Uncertain> And you have both proper names and descriptions and y- and you can <Emphasis> ask </Emphasis> for it.
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      <Emphasis> All </Emphasis> those things. Yeah. You have proper names, and descriptions.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Right. O_K.
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      Nuh.
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      <Emphasis> And </Emphasis> a l- and a lot - and - and anaphora, and pronouns, and <Pause/>
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      Right.
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      Right.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <Uncertain> Now </Uncertain>, we hav- the - the whole - Unfortunately, the whole database is, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> in <Emphasis> German. </Emphasis>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> And it's - it's quite, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      there. But <Uncertain> did y- </Uncertain> I - uh - I think <Uncertain> there </Uncertain> will be great because the reference problem really is not trivial, even if you have such a g-
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      Well -
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      We sort of t- think that <Emphasis> our </Emphasis> bit in this problem is interesting, but, just to get from <Emphasis> Powder-Tower </Emphasis> to an object I- I_D in a database
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      Or - or if you take something even <Emphasis> more </Emphasis> scary, um, "how do I get to the third building <Emphasis> after </Emphasis> the Tower? the Ple- Powder-Tower?" Uh, you need some mechanism <Uncertain> for </Uncertain> <Pause/>
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      Or, you know, the church across from City Hall, or -
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      <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> Uniquely.
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      Right.
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      O_K.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Or you can say "how -" you know, "how do I get <Emphasis> back? </Emphasis>"
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      Trying to -
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      O_K.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> And, <Emphasis> again, </Emphasis> it's just a question of <Emphasis> which </Emphasis> of these things,
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      uh, people want to <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Emphasis> general </Emphasis> story about,
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      um, construction grammar, and what constructions we'd use and how all this might
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm. M-
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      O_K, and the one for next
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Mm-hmm.
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      um,
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      O_K? And then there's a language <Emphasis> generator, </Emphasis> and then after that a s- a synthesizer that
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      goes from an X_M_L structure to,
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      uh, <Emphasis> language </Emphasis> generation, to
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      actual specifications for a <Emphasis> synthesizer. </Emphasis>
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      Right.
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      Eh, but again, there's <Emphasis> one </Emphasis> module in which there's <Emphasis> one </Emphasis>
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      that we have to convert to English.
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      Right.
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      Got it. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Is that -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> O_K. And that - But as I say, this is -
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      <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> <Emphasis> along </Emphasis> was viewed as a kind of -
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      a m- a minor thing,
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      <Emphasis> necessary, </Emphasis> but - but not -
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      Right. Right. That's great!
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      O_K?
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      And much more <Emphasis> interesting </Emphasis> is the fact that,
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> as part of <Emphasis> doing </Emphasis> this, we - we are,
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      you know, inheriting this system that does all <Emphasis> sort- </Emphasis> of these other
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      Right.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      things.
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      Not <Emphasis> precisely </Emphasis> what we want, and that's -
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      that's wh- where it -
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      it gets difficult. And I - I don't pretend to understand yet what I think
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      we really ought to do.
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      O_K.
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      So, e- enough of that,
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      but I, uh, um,
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      mmm,
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      the e- sort of, Johno and I will take up that
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      responsibility,
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      and, um, get a first draft of <Emphasis> that. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Now, we have um just, I think <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> more <Emphasis> short </Emphasis> things.
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      O_K.
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      Um,
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      y- you guys sort of started fighting, uh, on the Bayes-net
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      "Noisy-OR" front? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Hmm.
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    <Segment StartTime="2451.370" EndTime="2453.197" Participant="me012">
      Yeah, I thought I should, um,
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      talk a little bit about <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> because that might be a good, uh,
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      sort of architecture to have, in general for, uh, problems with, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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    <Segment StartTime="2458.435" EndTime="2458.932" Participant="me010">
      Good!
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      O_K.
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      you know, multiple inputs to a node.
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      Good.
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      And what's the <Emphasis> other </Emphasis> one? so that - just we know what the d- agenda is?
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      Um, the <Emphasis> Wu </Emphasis> paper, I think maybe -
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Oh, yeah. I've got a couple <Emphasis> new </Emphasis> Wu papers as well. Uh, so I - I've been in contact with Wu, so, <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> let's
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      put that off till I - I - till I understand better,
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      uh, what he's doing. It's just a <Emphasis> little </Emphasis> embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee,
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      and, so, <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> I r- really <Emphasis> knew </Emphasis> this at one time.
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      <Pronounce> Ugh.  </Pronounce> <Comment Description="interjection"/>
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      But, I - I -
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      <Uncertain> It's not only uh </Uncertain> Is - Part of what I haven't figured out yet is - is how all this goes together.
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      So I'll dig up some more
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      stuff from Dekai.
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    <Segment StartTime="2493.080" EndTime="2495.720" Participant="me010">
      And - so why don't we just do the, uh -
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      O_K. So - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> should I - Is there a white board here that I can use?
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      Yeah. You could -
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      Uh -
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      Yeah. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Or shall I just use this?
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      <Uncertain> squealing sound? </Uncertain>
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      It's <Emphasis> probably </Emphasis> just as easy. I-
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      You can put the microphone in your pocket.
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      It was a quick one, <Uncertain> huh </Uncertain>?
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      That's why they invented "pocket T_'s".
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      They have clips! <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Huh.
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      exactly <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      Yeah. So, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Recall that, uh,
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      we want to have
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      Namely, that, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> You have these nodes that have several bands, right? So -
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      <Uncertain> Does </Uncertain> I mean, they sort of - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      the typical example is that, um, these are all a bunch of cues for something, and this is a certain effect that we'd like to conclude.
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      So, uh - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Like, let's just look at the case when, um, this is actually the - the final action, right? So this is like, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      you know,
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Y-
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      touch, or - Sorry. Uh <Pause/>
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      Yeah, E_- <VocalSound Description="while laughing"/> <Emphasis> E_V_A </Emphasis>, right?
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      Yeah.
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      Enter, V- View, Approach, right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <NonVocalSound Description="mike noises"/>
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      W- what was this? It - i- i- i- ehhh, <Comment Description="vocal gesture of hindrance"/> i- ehhh. <Comment Description="vocal gesture of hindrance"/> <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So, this is -
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      Wri- write it out for- for -
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      Yeah. Enter,
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      I mean - <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      View,
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      Approach.
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      O_K. Right.
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      Right.
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      So, I mean, we'd like to - take all these various cues, right? So this one might be, say, uh - <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Like the army. Yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      New terminology? <VocalSound Description="laugh"/> I haven't heard that before. <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      Well, let me pick a random one and say, uh -
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      Hmm?
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      I don't know, it could be, like - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      This isn't the way it really is, but let me say - that, suppose someone mentioned, uh,
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      admission fees <Pause/>
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      Ah, it takes too long. Try - let me just say "Landmark".
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      If the thing is a landmark,
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      you know, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> um - then there's another thing that says if - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      if it's <Emphasis> closed </Emphasis> or not, at the moment.
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      Alright, so you have nodes. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> Right? And the, uh, problem that we were having was that, you know, given N_nodes, there's "two to the N" <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Given N_nodes, and furthermore, the fact that there's three things here, we need to specify "three times", uh, "two to the N" probabilities. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Right? That's assuming these are all binary, which f- they may not be. For example, they could be "time of day", in which case we could, uh, say, you know, "Morning,
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      afternoon, evening, night". So, this could be more <Pause/>
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      So, it's a <Emphasis> lot, </Emphasis> anyway. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And, that's a lot of probabilities to put here, which is kind of a pain. So <Pause/>
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      Noisy-ORs are a way to, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      sort of deal with this.
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      Um <Pause/>
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      Where should I put this? <Comment Description="quietly"/>
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      So, the idea is that, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Let's call these, uh, C_one, C_two, C_three, and C_four, and E_, for Cause and Effect, I guess.
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      The idea is to have these intermediate nodes. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Right.
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      Well, actually, the idea, first of all, is that each of these things has a - quote-unquote <Emphasis> distinguished </Emphasis> state, which means that this is
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> the state in which we don't <Pronounce> really  </Pronounce> know anything about it. So - right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      So, for example, if we don't really know <VocalSound Description="breath"/> if the thing is a landmark or not,
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      Or, i- if that just doesn't seem relevant, then that would be th- sort of the Disting- the Distinguish state. It's a really, you know, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      if there is something for the person talking about the admission fee,
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      you know, if they didn't talk about it, that would be the Distinguish state. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> S- so, this is a fanciful way of saying "default"?
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      So - <VocalSound Description="outbreath"/>
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      Yeah, yeah. That's just what they - the word they used in that paper. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      O_K.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      So, the idea is that, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> you have these intermediate nodes, right? E_one, E_two, E_three and E_four?
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      So, this is the Heckerman paper you're working with? Good.
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      Yeah.
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      So <Pause/>
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      The idea is that, each of these E_I -
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      represents <Emphasis> what </Emphasis> this would be -
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      So, for example, suppose that the person - I mean, suppose the thing that they talked about is a landmark. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      But none of the other - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> sort of cues really apply.
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      Then, <VocalSound Description="cough"/> this would be - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      W- The <VocalSound Description="breath"/> this would just represent the probability distribution of this,
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      So, you know, if it is a landmark, and no- none of the other things really ap- applicable, then - this would represent the <Pronounce> probability distribution.  </Pronounce> So maybe in this case - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Maybe we just t- k- Maybe we decide that, <Emphasis> if </Emphasis> the thing's a landmark and we don't know anything else, then we're gonna conclude that, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      They want to view it with <Pronounce> probability,  </Pronounce> you know, point four. <Comment Description="number"/> They want to enter it with <Pronounce> probability,  </Pronounce> uh -
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      with <Pronounce> probability  </Pronounce> point five <Comment Description="number"/> and they want to approach it probability point one, say -
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      Right? So we come up with these l- little tables for each of those <Pause/>
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      O_K. <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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      And the final thing is that, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> <VocalSound Description="mouth"/>
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      this is a deterministic function of these, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      so we don't <Pronounce> need  </Pronounce> to specify any probabilities.
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      We just have to, um, say what function this is, right?
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      So we can let this be, um -
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      <VocalSound Description="breath"/> G_ of E_one comma E_two.
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      E_three, E_four.
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      Right?
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      and our example G_ would be, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      a majority vote?
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      Right?
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      Well. O_K, so th- so the <Emphasis> important </Emphasis> point -
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      is -
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      W- <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> what the G_ function is.
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      The important point is -
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      that -
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      Um -
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      There is a - a - a general kind of idea of shortcutting the full C_P_T. Th- c- the full conditional probability table - with <Emphasis> some </Emphasis> function.
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      O_K? Which y- w- you choose appropriately for each case. So, depending on <VocalSound Description="breath"/> what your situation is, <Uncertain> there are </Uncertain> different functions which are most appropriate.
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      And -
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      So I gave - eh - Bhaskara a copy of this, eh - sort of "ninety-two" <Comment Description="year of publication"/> paper. D- and <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> got one, Robert. I don't know who else has seen it.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      There's - I mean - yeah. it's Heckerman and Breese.
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      It's short.
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      It's short.
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      Yeah.
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      So, I- u- w- Um, yo- uh - you - Have <Emphasis> you </Emphasis> read it yet?
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      Uh, you can - Yeah, you should take a look at it, I guess.
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      O_K, so you should take a look. Nancy, I'm sure you read it at some point in life.
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      I - yeah. I - I think so, yeah.
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      O_K. <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/>
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      <Uncertain> Yeah, </Uncertain> <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain>.
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      And - so, you other guys can decide how interested - <Emphasis> Anyway. </Emphasis> So the paper isn't th- isn't real hard. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> And -
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      O_K.
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      Uh -
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      One of the questions <Uncertain> just come at </Uncertain> Bhaskara is,
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      Yeah, it's a good question. Um <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      The - so what we want, is basically JavaBayes to support deterministic, uh, functions. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Right.
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      And, um - <VocalSound Description="breath"/> In a sense it sup- we can make it supported by, um, <VocalSound Description="breath"/> manually, uh, entering, you know, probabilities that are one and zeros, right? <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Right. So the little handout that - The little thing that <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> sent - I sent a message saying,
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      uh, here is a way to take -
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      One thing you could do, which is kind of s- in a way, stupid, is take this deterministic function,
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      and use it to build the C_P_T.
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      So, if Ba- JavaBayes won't do it <Emphasis> for </Emphasis> you,
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      Mmm.
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      that you can convert all that into what the C_P_T would be.
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      Um - and, what <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> sent out about a week ago, was an idea of how to <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> that,
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      for,
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      um, evidence combination. So one of - one function that you <Emphasis> could </Emphasis> use as your "G_ function" is an e- e- Evidence-Combining. So you just take <VocalSound Description="breath"/> the -
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      uh, if each of th- if each of the ones has its own
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      uh, strength of each of those, times its little table, and you'd add up the total evidence for "V_", "E_", and "A_".
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      Mmm. <Comment Description="doubtfully"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <Pronounce Pronunciation="ending with an aspirated glottal stop"> Yep.  </Pronounce>
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      G_ is a function from <Pause/>
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      that <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      to that. <Comment Description="pointing out two things"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Right.
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      Right? So there's no numbers. There's just -
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      quadruplets of - well, N_duplets of, uh, E_Vs.
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      I- i- i-
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      No, no - But I'm saying is - There -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> There is a w- I mean, if y- if - if you decide what's - what is appropriate, is probablistic evidence combination, you can write a function
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      that does it. It's a <Uncertain> pui- it's </Uncertain> actually one of the examples he's got in there.
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      But, <Emphasis> anyway, </Emphasis> s- skipping - skipping the question of <Emphasis> exactly </Emphasis> which functions -
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      <Uncertain> now is it </Uncertain> clear
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      that you might like to be able to
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      I mean, in some - it seems very plausible in some sense, where we <Emphasis> will </Emphasis> be likely to <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> be - <Emphasis> observe </Emphasis> some of the stuff.
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      Cuz we don't have the a- access to the information.
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      Oops, <Comment Description="interjection"/> sorry. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Right. That's one of the problems, is, W- Is - is, Where would th- Where would it all come from?
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      Yeah.
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      So.
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      Is - Oh, right. W- would not be ab- able to observe <Pause/>
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      Mmm.
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      What?
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      I- if it's a - a - a discar- Discourse Initial Phrase, we will have <Emphasis> nothing </Emphasis> in the discourse history.
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      So, if - if we ever want to wonder what was mention-
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Oh - <Comment Description="under his breath"/>
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      Oh. A- are you saying that we'll not be able to observe certain nodes? That's fine. That is sort of orthogonal thing.
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      Yeah, so there's - there's <Emphasis> two </Emphasis> separate things, Robert.
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      The f- the - the - the Bayes-nets in general are quite good
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      O_K? Th- that's what they're <Emphasis> real </Emphasis> good at.
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      So, if you don't have any information about the discourse,
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      you just use your priors of - of whatever -
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      eh- the - discourse -
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      uh,
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      eh, basically whatever w- it's - Probabilistically, whatever it would be. And it's - it's sort of not a <Emphasis> great </Emphasis> estimate, but -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      it's the best one you have, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and, so forth. So that, they're good at. But the other problem is, how do you fill in all these numbers?
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      Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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      And I think <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> the one he was getting at.
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      Yeah. So, specifically in this case you have to - f-
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      Mm-hmm.
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      three N_?
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      So, this is much smaller than that. <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah. <Comment Description="while laughing"/> Right.
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      Well, pretty quickly.
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      U- yeah, yeah. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      So, you don't need da- data enough to cover - uh, nearly as much stuff.
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      I mean -
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      I don't know.
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      So, really, i- What a - A Noisy-OR seems to kind of <Pause/>
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      "neural-net-acize" these Bayes-nets?
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      Eh - well- to- some- No, no. So, "Noisy-OR" is a funny
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      way of referring to this, because
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      the Noisy-OR is only one instance.
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      Yeah. This isn't a Noisy-OR anymore.
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      That one actually <Emphasis> isn't </Emphasis> a Noisy-OR. So we'll have to think of <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yeah.
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      of a way t- t-
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      it's a Noisy-arg-max or a Noisy-whatever. <Comment Description="last two words while laughing"/> <VocalSound Description="breath-laugh"/>
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      Yeah, whatever. Yeah. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> So -
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      Eh - <Comment Description="a drawn-out squeal-type sound"/>
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      Um <Pause/>
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      Yeah, it - it - Tha- that's true. It is a- is also more neural-net-like, although - <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Uh, it isn't <Emphasis> necessarily </Emphasis> sum -
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      uh, s- you know, <Emphasis> sum </Emphasis> of weights or anything like that.
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      Right. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      I mean i- You could have, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      uh, like the Noisy-OR function,
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      really <Emphasis> is </Emphasis> one that's essentially says, uh, take the max.
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      Well, the "OR".
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      <Uncertain> Same. </Uncertain>
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      Right. I guess you're right. Yeah.
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      Uh <Pause/>
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      But anyway. So -
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      And, I thi- I think that's the <Emphasis> standard </Emphasis> way people
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      get around the -
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      uh <Pause/>
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      There are a couple other ones. There are ways of breaking this up into s- to - to subnets and stuff like that. But, um <Pause/>
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      The <Pause/>
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      I think we definitely - I think it's a great idea tha- to - to pursue that.
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      Yep. So <Pause/>
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      Wha- still sort of leaves one question.
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      It - I mean you - you can always uh - see easily that - that I'm not grasping <Emphasis> everything </Emphasis> correctly, but <VocalSound Description="breath"/> what seemed attractive to <Emphasis> me </Emphasis> in im- uh in the last discussion we had, was <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      that we find out a means of -
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      <Emphasis> not </Emphasis> because, you know, A_ is a Landmark or not, but we - we - we label this whatever object type, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and if it's a garden,
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Right.
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      And so forth. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And we don't want to write this down -
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      <Emphasis> necessarily </Emphasis> every time for something but, uh -
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      It'll be students - <Uncertain> Where else would it </Uncertain> be stored? That's the question.
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      <Uncertain> let's see. </Uncertain>
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      Well, in the beginning, we'll write up a flat file. We know we have twenty object types and we'll write it down in a flat file.
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      Oh.
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      Yeah.
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      No. So, i- is-
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      Well, let me say something, guys, cuz there's not - There's a pretty point about this we might as well get in right now.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Which is -
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      The hierarchy that s- comes with the ontology
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      that, it's one that is a monument, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      then, that would be stored <Emphasis> there. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      If you <Emphasis> don't, </Emphasis> you look up the hierarchy,
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      Eh - so, you - you - you may or - So, then you'd have this little vector of,
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      um, you know, <Emphasis> Approach </Emphasis> Mode or <Emphasis> E_V_A </Emphasis> Mode. Let's - O_K, so we have <VocalSound Description="breath"/> the E_V_A vector for - for various kinds of landmarks. <VocalSound Description="breath"/> If you know it for a <Emphasis> specific </Emphasis> landmark you put it there.
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      If you <Emphasis> don't, </Emphasis> you just go up the hierarchy to the first place you find one.
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      O_K.
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      So, is the idea to put it in the ontology?
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      Absolutely.
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      O_K.
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      Uh, or, link to - or - but - but in any case - i- View it logically as being in the ontology. It's part of what you <Emphasis> know </Emphasis> about -
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      O_K. <Uncertain> Mm-hmm. </Uncertain>
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      And, if yo- As I say, if you know about a specific <Pronounce> object,  </Pronounce> you put it there. This is part of what Dekai was doing.
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      So, when we get to Wu,
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      Right.
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      The- e- We'll see w- what he says about that.
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      And, then if you -
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      If it isn't there, it's higher, and if you don't know anything except that it's a b- it's - it's a - building, then up at the highest thing, you have the pr- what amounts to a prior.
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      uh, you just take whatever your crude approximation is up at <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> level, which might be <Emphasis> equal, </Emphasis> or <Emphasis> whatever </Emphasis> it is.
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      Right.
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      Yeah.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> So, that's a very pretty relationship between
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      we find a reason to do something <Emphasis> different. </Emphasis>
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      <Uncertain> Yeah. </Uncertain>
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      Does this make sense to <Emphasis> you? </Emphasis> Bhask- ?
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      So -
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      Yeah.
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      So, we are - but we - we're not doing the ontology, so we have to get to whoever is doing the - u- ultimately,
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      Yeah, hash on object name to, you know, uh, the probabilities or whatever.
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      e-
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      uh -
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      Right. Yeah.
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      So, there will be <Emphasis> nothing </Emphasis> on - on <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> town hall, or on the <Emphasis> Berkeley </Emphasis> town hall, or on the <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Well, they - they - they - How ar- What are they gonna <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> with instances? I mean, you - y-
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      But what -
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      Well, that's - Hhh. <Comment Description="vocal gesture"/>
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      That's - that's al- different question. I mean, th- the - first, they had to make a <Emphasis> design </Emphasis> question, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      O_K.
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      And, so, since the d- decision was on <Emphasis> types, </Emphasis> on a d- simply type-based, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      we now have to hook it up to <Emphasis> instances. </Emphasis>
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      I mean this is
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      one -
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      But what i- What <Pronounce> is  </Pronounce> <Emphasis> SmartKom </Emphasis> gonna do about that?
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      Cuz, they have instances <Emphasis> all </Emphasis> the <Emphasis> time. </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yeah, but the ontology is really not a SmartKom
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      thing,
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      <Emphasis> I </Emphasis> kicked loose
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      in - in E_M_L. So it's a completely E_M_L
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      But -
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      Yes, u- a w- a lot of people are aware of that.
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      I <Emphasis> understand, </Emphasis> <VocalSound Description="cough-laugh"/> but is anybody <Emphasis> doing </Emphasis> anything about it? <VocalSound Description="cough-laugh"/>
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      Um -
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      O_K. It's <Uncertain> a </Uncertain> political problem. We won't worry about it. <VocalSound Description="laugh"/>
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      No, but - th- the r- eh - I th- I <Emphasis> still </Emphasis> think that
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      there is <Emphasis> enough </Emphasis> information in there. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      For example, whether - O_K. So, th- it will know about the twenty object types there are in the world.
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      Let's assume there are only <Emphasis> twenty </Emphasis> object types in this world.
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      And it will know if <Emphasis> any </Emphasis> of those have <Emphasis> institutional </Emphasis> meanings.
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      So, in a sense, "I" used as Institutions for some s- in some sense or the other. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Which makes them -
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      <Emphasis> enterable. </Emphasis>
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      Right? In a sense. You know.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Yeah.
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      <Emphasis> Anyway. </Emphasis> So we <Emphasis> may </Emphasis> have to - This is with the whole thing, <Comment Description="embedded"/> we may have to build another data stru- <Comment Description="abandoned utterance"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <Uncertain> Yep. </Uncertain>
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      Yep.
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      <Emphasis> Conceptually, </Emphasis> we know what should be done.
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      When we <Emphasis> see </Emphasis> what people have <Emphasis> done, </Emphasis> it may turn out that the <Emphasis> easiest </Emphasis> thing to do <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      is to build a - a separate thing that - that
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      just pools i- i-
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      Like, i- i- it - it <Emphasis> may </Emphasis> be,
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      that,
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      the - the instance - w- That we have to build our own
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      instance, uh,
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      Yeah, it's - Right, we can just assume -
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      things, that,
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      with their <Emphasis> types, </Emphasis> and then it goes off to the ontology once you have its type. So we build a little <Emphasis> data </Emphasis> structure <Pause/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/> And so what we would do in <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> case,
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      is, in our instance gadget have
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> our E_V_As. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And if we- d- there <Emphasis> isn't </Emphasis> one we'd get the <Emphasis> type </Emphasis> and then have the E_V_As for the <Emphasis> type. </Emphasis> So we'd have our own little, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      uh, E_V_A <Emphasis> tree. </Emphasis>
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      Yeah. Right.
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      And then, for other,
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      uh, vectors that we need. So, we'd have our own little <VocalSound Description="breath"/> things so that whenever we needed one, we'd just use the ontology to get the type, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Mm-hmm. <Comment Description="very quietly"/>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      and then would hash or whatever we do to say, "ah! If it's that type of thing,
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      it's <Emphasis> that. </Emphasis>"
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      So, I- I think we can handle that. And then - But, the <Emphasis> combination </Emphasis> functions,
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      and whether we can put those in Java Bayes, and all that sort of stuff,
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      is, uh - is the <Emphasis> bigger </Emphasis> deal.
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      Yeah.
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      I think <Emphasis> that's </Emphasis> where we have to get technically clever.
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      Um -
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      We could just steal the <Emphasis> classes </Emphasis> in <Emphasis> JavaBayes </Emphasis> and then
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      <Emphasis> interface </Emphasis> to them with our own <Emphasis> code. </Emphasis>
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      Well, <Uncertain> I me- ye </Uncertain> <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/> <Uncertain> eh, yeah, the - </Uncertain>
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      That requires understanding the classes in JavaBayes, I guess.
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      Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, e- e- e- e- e- <Emphasis> cute. </Emphasis>
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      I mean, you've been around enough to -
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      I mean -
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      Just?
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      Well, it depends on -
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      I mean, there's this <Emphasis> huge </Emphasis> package which - which may or may not be consistent and - <Comment Description="list"/> you know. <Comment Description="very reduced articulation of &quot;you know&quot;"/> <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      But, <Emphasis> yeah, </Emphasis> we could look at it.
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      Well, I was j- O_K. Yeah. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      Yeah.
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      It's b- It -
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> It's an <Emphasis> inter- </Emphasis> <Emphasis> sort </Emphasis> of a kind of a - it - The thing is, it's kind of an interpreter and i- i- it expects its data structures to
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      Well, no, but that just means there's a <Emphasis> protocol, </Emphasis>
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      It may or may not. I don't know. That's the question is "to what extent does it allow us to put in these <Emphasis> G_ </Emphasis> functions?"
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      And I don't know.
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      Well, no, but - I mean - What I <Uncertain> uh the </Uncertain> -
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      So you could have four different Bayes-nets that you're running, and then run your own - write your own function that would take the output of those four,
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      and make your own "G_ function", is what I was saying.
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      Yeah, that's <Emphasis> fine </Emphasis> if it's - if it comes only at the <Emphasis> end. </Emphasis> But suppose you want it <Emphasis> embedded? </Emphasis>
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      Yeah, but I'm just -
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      Mm-hmm.
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      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, <Uncertain> you bet </Uncertain>.
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      But, at <Emphasis> that </Emphasis> point you may say, "hey, Java Bayes isn't the only package in town. Let's see if there's
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      <Emphasis> another </Emphasis> package that's, eh, more <Emphasis> civilized </Emphasis> about this."
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      Now, <Emphasis> Srini </Emphasis>
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      Mmm. <NonVocalSound Description="mike noise"/>
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      cuz <Emphasis> he </Emphasis>
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      Ah!
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      Uh. But he <Emphasis> did </Emphasis> <Emphasis> do </Emphasis> it.
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      <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> Yeah. <Comment Description="whispered to self"/>
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      I don't see why the, uh, combining f- functions have to be directly hacked into JavaBayes. I mean, they're used to create tables so we can just make our own little functions that create tables in X_M_L.
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      it doesn't require any
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      Mm-hmm.
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      data fitting or complication.
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      Yeah.
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      I don't think - I mean, the fact that it blown u- blows up is a <Emphasis> huge </Emphasis> issue in the sense that -
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      I mean, O_K. So say it blows up, right? So there's, like,
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      <Emphasis> that, </Emphasis> which isn't so bad.
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      I- I understand. I'm just saying tha- that w-
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      That was wi- that was my note.
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      The little note I sent said that.
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      Mm-hmm.
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      It said, "Here's the way you'd take
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I mean that - the Max- the Evidence-Combining function.
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      So we could do that. And maybe that's what we'll <Emphasis> do. </Emphasis>
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      But, um <Pause/>
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      don't know.
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      So, I will, e- <VocalSound Description="inbreath"/> e- <Emphasis> before </Emphasis> next week, uh, <Uncertain NumSyllables="1"> @@ </Uncertain> <Comment Description="uncodeable vocal fragment"/>
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      p- <Pronounce> push  </Pronounce> - push some more on - on this stuff that Dekai Wu did, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      and try to <Emphasis> understand </Emphasis> it.
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      Uh, you'll make a couple of more copies of the Heckerman paper to give
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      p- Sure.
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      Yeah, I - I would like a copy, <Uncertain> y- y- yeah </Uncertain>.
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      to people?
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      O_K.
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      O_K.
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> O_K.
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      And, um <Pause/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> I think -
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      O_K. And I- I'll - I'll think s- through this, uh, <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      eh - getting EVA <Pronounce> vectors  </Pronounce> dynamically out of ontologies one more time because I s- I - I - I'm not quite sure whether we all think of the same thing or not, here. <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> Well, you and I should talk about it.
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      Yeah, uh-huh.
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      O_K.
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      Alright, great! <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      And, Robert, thank you for <VocalSound Description="breath"/>
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      coming in
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      under - He - <Emphasis> he's </Emphasis> been <Emphasis> sick, </Emphasis> Robert. <Comment Description="Robert's been sick"/>
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      <VocalSound Description="mouth"/> <Foreign Language="de" Description="meaning &quot;and&quot;">  <Emphasis> Und. </Emphasis>  </Foreign>
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      Mm-hmm.
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      I was thinking maybe we should just cough into the microphone and see if they can't - th- see if they can <Emphasis> handle </Emphasis> it. <Comment Description="metacomment, about the recording situation"/>
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      Yep.
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      Sure.
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      Um - is this, uh -
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