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Diese Krankheit hat unsere Protagonistin Laura und Alex hat sie zu dem Thema mal ein bisschen befragt. Wir steigen mal gleich mit deiner Erkrankung ein. Du hast eine Angsterkrankung, und zwar Hypochondrie. Was bedeutet das? Das ist die Angst, ähm, schlimme Erkrankungen zu haben, die teilweise tödlich enden können oder, ähm, ja, lebensbedrohlich zumindest sind. Wann hattest du denn das letzte Mal diese Ängste? Mhm, tatsächlich, ähm, seit ich zur Reha war letztes Jahr, ist es nur noch so alle zwei Monate mal. Da tritt das tatsächlich mit einer Panikattacke auf, aber das kann ich ganz gut mittlerweile im, im Zaum halten. Ähm, davor war das schon regelmäßig. Also in den Hochzeiten, während ich Abi geschrieben habe, war das so teilweise mehrmals täglich, dass ich solche Panikattacken hatte, die ausgelöst wurden aufgrund irgendwelcher Gedanken um Krankheiten. Hast du irgendeine Ahnung? Weil das beschäftigt dich ja schon 'ne ganze Weile lang. Das trat das erste Mal auf, als du in etwa elf warst, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere. Ja, so elf, zwölf. Genau. Hast du eine Ahnung, wo das herkam? Also das war tatsächlich eines der Dinge, die ich immer rausfinden wollte. Warum? Wo kommt das her? Warum habe ich das? Ähm, es gibt bis heute nicht den Auslöser, aber wir haben so ein paar Strategien quasi entwickelt, die, äh, Ursache sein könnten. Es gibt zum einen ein bisschen eine genetische Disposition tatsächlich. Ähm, dann habe ich eine Autoimmunerkrankung in der Schilddrüse, die da ein bisschen reinspielen kann. Ich hatte 'ne, äh, Virusinfektion als Kind, ähm, die auch so was mit auslösen kann. Kam das bei dir schleichend dann oder ging dann auch so 'ne Beschäftigung mit Krankheitsbildern los? Also tatsächlich war ich schon immer sehr medizininteressiert. Ich wollte das am Anfang tatsächlich sogar studieren. Ähm, wäre gar keine so gute Idee gewesen, jetzt zurückblickend. Ähm, meine Trainerin ist auch Ärztin und, äh, dadurch habe ich auch immer so, wenn sie in der Sporthalle jemanden verarztet hat bei kleineren Verletzungen, wenn jemand umgeknickt ist oder so, habe ich das immer mitbekommen und fand das total faszinierend, dass sie immer die Tests gemacht hat und wusste, wie man das jetzt verbinden soll, zum Beispiel, und, äh, habe mich an sich damit befasst. Aber als es mich dann betroffen hat, habe ich natürlich viel, viel mehr Zeit investiert. Bücher gelesen, ähm, in der Schule, Biologie war dann mein Lieblingsfach. Ich wollte immer alles ganz genau wissen, wie was passieren kann oder funktioniert und dann hat man sich so ein bisschen selber das alles beigebracht. Und dann später kam Dr. Google dazu. Mhm. Ich habe ihn oft benutzt und die klassischen Schlagzeilen sind ja oft immer die schlimmsten. Also da geht's ja nicht los mit harmlosen Erkrankungen, sondern die Top-Google-Einträge sind ja oft dann immer schwierige Diagnosen und die hatte ich dann sofort. Mir war das total klar, wie groß die Wahrscheinlichkeiten sind. Teilweise habe ich auch gegoogelt, dass ich diese Erkrankung habe und die waren bei null Komma null, null, null zwei Prozent in meinem Alter zum Beispiel. Und jeder hat mir gesagt: \"Das, Laura, das hast du nicht, das kannst du gar nicht haben. Wieso sollst denn du das jetzt haben?\" Ähm, das, das war mir auch klar, aber irgendwas in mir hat immer gesagt: \"Dann bin ich trotzdem diese eine, die das hat. Es gibt solche Fälle, da hat es jemanden erwischt. So warum soll ich das nicht sein?\" Und dadurch hat mich das auch nie beruhigt, wenn irgendein Arzt gesagt hat: \"Ja, ist alles gut. Befunde sind top.\" Dann habe ich gesagt: \"Ja, sind sie heute top. Vielleicht sind sie in drei Wochen wieder schlecht.\" Du bist also mit deiner Familie zum Arzt auch gegangen. Es gab also Untersuchungen und diese Untersuchungen haben- Am Anfang wussten wir ja gar nicht, also wussten sie auch gar nicht, wie sie damit umgehen sollten. Ich wusste ja auch nicht, was mit mir los ist. Vor der Diagnose waren wir mehrmals in der Notaufnahme oder bei Bereitschaftsärzten, weil das oft abends auftritt. Und da da kein klassischer Arzt mehr offen hat, ähm, und in der Notaufnahme haben die immer mich zwar untersucht und das ernst genommen, aber es war jedes Mal kein wirklicher Befund, außer muskuläre Verspannungen, zum Beispiel als mir im Herz wehtat. Ähm, ja, und dann hat meine Kinderärztin natürlich auch zwischendrin immer mal ein paar Untersuchungen gemacht, die man eigentlich nicht unbedingt macht in dem Alter, aber um mich zu beruhigen und selber organische Dinge auszuschließen. Und nachdem das dann mehrmals, mehrmals wieder auftrat, hat sie gesagt: \"Na ja, wir haben gar keine Befunde. Wir gehen das noch mal bei Fachärzten gucken.\" War ich beim Kardiologen und solchen Dingen mit zwölf, dreizehn auch tatsächlich schon. Habe große Untersuchungen gemacht und auch da war nie was. Und dann hat sie mich zur Kinder- und Jugendpsychiaterin überwiesen, die mich supergut diagnostiziert hat und wo es dann endlich auch einen Namen hatte, was da los ist. Wurde es dann irgendwie leichter, damit umzugehen, oder...? Also ich weiß den Moment noch. Wir haben tatsächlich am Anfang ganz viele Tests gemacht, äh, ganz verschiedene Diagnostiken. Und ich habe immer schon gehofft, dass da was rauskommt, damit wir endlich was wissen. Aber ich hatte auch ein bisschen Angst, was rauskommen könnte, weil da hatte ich noch gar keine Ahnung, welche psychischen Erkrankungen es überhaupt so gibt. Und dann weiß ich noch, wie wir da zusammen saßen, mit meinen Eltern zusammen tatsächlich, und sie uns das erklärt hat, ähm, sehr einfach, was das bedeutet, was das, ähm, warum das so ausgelöst wird, was mein Körper da macht. Und dann hat das alles Sinn ergeben. Und sie hat aber auch gleich gesagt von Anfang an: \"Es wird jetzt nicht ganz morgen wieder weg sein. So. Wir müssen jetzt lernen, damit eher umzugehen.\" Und dann ging der Weg los. An, an welcher Stelle dieses Weges siehst du dich heute? Heu, ähm, heute ist der beste Stand, den es jemals in diesem Zeitraum gab. Es gab schon mal einen dazwischen nach meiner ersten Reha, der sehr gut war. Ähm, da war ich mir auch ziemlich sicher, dass mich das nicht noch mal erwischt. Ähm, als ich dann wieder ganz viel mit der Erkrankung durch meinen Opa zu tun hatte-War ich ein bisschen geschockt, dass es doch noch, dass es so nah doch noch an mich rankommen kann, weil ich eigentlich echt gut vorbereitet war. Hm, hab auch gelernt, dass das, ähm, jetzt, dass ich das wieder in den Griff kriege. Also dass es jetzt gerade so ist, dass ich's wirklich damit umgehen kann. Bin auch ein bisschen dankbar, dass ich durch die Angst die Erfahrung gesammelt hab, dass sie oft unbegründet war. Und erst muss man diese Phasen erleben, die sind überhaupt nicht schön. Ähm, aber jetzt weiß ich im Nachgang, da ist ja auch nichts passiert. Wieso soll denn diesmal was passieren? Also es macht mich auch irgendwie ein bisschen stärker, dass ich das da alles schon geschafft hab und weiß jetzt, ähm, wenn das auftritt, ist das wieder nur harmlos und morgen geht's mir wieder gut. Mhm. Gibt's abseits dessen noch andere Strategien, mit denen du deine Angst, deine Ängste, deine Hypochondrie im Zaum halten kannst? Ich bin tatsächlich so'n perfektionistisch veranlagter Mensch und wenn alles gut läuft, dann bin ich auch wirklich nicht so empfänglich für Angst. Wenn gerade ganz, ganz viel los ist und, ähm, vielleicht auch manches nicht ganz so läuft, wie ich mir das vorstelle, dann bin ich gestresst und dann hab ich schon so 'ne innere Anspannung und dann passiert das viel, viel leichter, dass das auftritt. Und die Methode ist quasi für mich jetzt daran zu erkennen, wann bin ich gestresst? Also ich muss diese Anspannung wahrnehmen, damit ich die da schon reagieren kann und die verhindern kann. Und da hilft mir ganz viel Entspannungstechniken tatsächlich. Wenn ich in solche Situationen komme, reichen teilweise schon leichte Atemtechniken und dass ich einfach so'n bisschen das Nervensystem regulieren kann und dass es gar nicht erst sich weiter hochfährt. Wie belastend war es zu Zeiten, als du diese Resilienz noch nicht hattest? Was für Möglichkeiten gab es, dem Ganzen zu begegnen? Also das war tatsächlich, das war gar keine schöne Zeit, weil da hatte ich wirklich keine Strategie. Da war die Strategie, striktes Überleben, hoffen, dass es vorbeigeht. Ähm, das ist am Ende so weit gewesen, dass ich das Haus nicht mehr wirklich verlassen hab, weil in meinem Bett war ich am sichersten. Da konnte ich die Zeit einfach schnell vorübergehen lassen. Da habe ich mich wohlgefühlt, wusste, wo alles ist. Ich wusste, meine Ärztin ist dort, wenn ich hinfahren muss. Ich wusste die Öffnungszeiten ganz genau, ähm, ab wann ich in die Notaufnahme fahren müsste und hab das so alles darauf ausgerichtet, ähm, was mit mir ist und hab ganz viel auch Kontrollen gemacht, von Blutdruckmessungen bis, äh, Fieber und solche Dinge täglich und hab das protokolliert, ganz strikt, um zu gucken, gibt's da Veränderungen oder Auffälligkeiten. Und, ähm, meine Eltern als aber auch ich persönlich haben immer gesagt, vielleicht probierst du mal in die Turnhalle zu gehen, da bist du groß geworden. Das hat dir immer Spaß gemacht und Kraft gegeben. Das ging tatsächlich gut, weil ich da einfach aus dieser Welt so rausgekommen bin. Da war ich nicht in dieser Blase, wo ich mich mit mir beschäftigen konnte oder musste, sondern hab 'ne Aufgabe gehabt. Mein Gehirn war abgelenkt, ich konnte es abschalten. Aber sobald ich da wieder raus war und dann zurück zu Hause, dann ging das sofort in diesen Kreislauf über. Was war die letzte Krankheit, von der du befürchtet hast, sie zu haben? Das, was mein Opa hatte, Bauchspeicheldrüsenkrebs, äh, weil das einfach dann so, na ja, ich war dann so in diesem Thema drin und hab mich super gut damit beschäftigt. Und dann hatte ich natürlich auch plötzlich Schmerzen da, wo er sie hatte, weil ich ganz genau wusste, wo es ihm wehtat und hab gedacht: „Na, jetzt hast du das doch nicht auch noch.\" Ähm, das war allerdings nur 'ne ganz kurze Phase, weil mir bewusst war, wie wenig Vorerkrankungen ich dafür hab, wie unwahrscheinlich das ist in meinem Alter. Sonst hat sich das auf das Herz oder Gehirn konzentriert, dass ich da irgendwelche Erkrankungen, äh, dachte zu haben und deswegen war das im Bauchraum relativ schnell wieder raus. Du hast jetzt deinen Opa angesprochen und ich, ich weiß schon aus dem Vorgespräch, dass dein Opa für dich auch ein Mensch gewesen ist, der dir ausgesprochen wichtig ist. Mhm. Ähm, und du hast mir gezeigt, wo wir ihm begegnen können. Mhm. Wollen wir hingehen? Gerne. Sehr gerne. So, wir besuchen deinen Opa. Letztendlich. Genau, das ist unser, unsere Erinnerungsstätte sozusagen. Welchen Einfluss hatte denn die Erkrankung deines Opas für deine Hypochondrie? Ganz am Anfang hat das noch gar keinen Einfluss gehabt, weil da haben wir wirklich funktioniert. Das ging wirklich, das war einen Tag nach meinem Geburtstag, als er ins erste Mal ins Krankenhaus kam und da war das erst mal so, wir müssen jetzt diesen Film abspulen, diese ganzen Untersuchungen, die dann anstehen oder, äh, was gemacht werden muss, was wir besorgen müssen an Medikamenten. Und dann ha-haben wir einfach das alle gemacht so. Als wir die Diagnose hatten, die ersten Operationen anstanden und die Therapien, ähm, und ich auch viel, weil ich aufgrund meines Berufes mir's einteilen konnte, ein bisschen zu arbeiten, ähm, die Möglichkeit hatte, mit ihm zu den Arztterminen zusammenzufahren, als er auch nicht, ähm, das mehr geschafft hat körperlich, ähm, war ich da so ganz drin involviert. Ich hab gesagt, ich übernehme auch die Verantwortung, weil ich kenne dieses medizinische Wissen. Ich hab so'n bisschen den Background, ich möchte gern ihm da helfen und unterstützen, hat aber auf der anderen Seite auch dazu geführt, dass ich natürlich wieder super viel in dieses, in diesen Kosmos der Erkrankung eingetaucht bin, am Schluss endlich in, ins Krankenhaus gehen musste, was ich immer gemieden hab, jemals zu betreten und dann regelmäßig dort hingehen musste. Aber es stand für mich- Getriggert. Ja, es stand für mich aber auch zur Frage, es zu machen und mit der, mit der bewussten Entscheidung, es würde in mir was auslösen. Es hat schlussendlich auch was ausgelöst. Ich war in diesem Jahr deutlich sensibler, ähm, konnte das aber ganz gut verarbeiten, weil ich einfach für ihn das machen wollte so und es nicht mich in dem Moment vordergründig betroffen hat und wir als Familie einfach super gut funktioniert haben in dem Zeitraum. Du hattest irgendwann nebenbei mal so anklingen lassen, dass du neben deiner Hypochondrie noch 'ne weitere Angsterkrankung hattest, dass, äh, du andereKrankheitsbilder auch, die sich so ein bisschen gestapelt haben. Lässt du uns da noch mal reingucken? Was, was gab es da parallel? Also unabhängig davon habe ich, äh, Problematiken im Ess-und Schlafverhalten gehabt, was jetzt, äh, keine Essstörung war, sondern ich habe einfach aufgrund der Panikattacken keine Energie gehabt zu essen oder weder Appetit noch Sonstiges. Ich habe dadurch viel abgenommen und Schlaf war auch immer so eine Schwierigkeit. Also ich konnte ganz lange nicht einschlafen, nicht durchschlafen, brauchte da tatsächlich medikamentöse Hilfe irgendwann, weil ich sonst gar nicht mehr zu Energie gekommen wäre. Das war, haben wir ganz gut, äh, im Griff gekriegt und dann hat sich so eine zweite Angsterkrankung, Agoraphobie, dazu entwickelt und die beiden in Kombination waren richtig sportlich, weil ich, äh, dadurch in der Schule- Das ist die Angst in enger Räumen, ne? Genau, so in engen Räumen oder mit, in Menschenmengen. Und das dann zu verbinden, äh, mit dem Abi in der Phase, in der ich grad war, das war total sportlich. Ähm, die konnten wir aber gut mit einer Verhaltenstherapie tatsächlich in Griff kriegen. Also das hat, macht jetzt gar nichts mehr mit mir. Das war wirklich nur so eine vorübergehende Phase. Ist aber nicht untypisch, dass, ähm, man dann empfänglicher ist für weitere Erkrankungen. Es klang zwischenzeitlich auch fast so, als wäre, wäre das, hätte das depressive Züge mitgehabt. Ja, so, also im, so auf den Diagnoseblättern steht immer depressive Verstimmung oder Phasenepisoden. Ähm, das hat mich aber tatsächlich nie so, ich hab das nie so wahrgenommen. Es war für mich mehr die Angst, die das ausgelöst hat, diese Antriebslosigkeit, weil ich einfach die Energie im Körper nicht hatte und das mich frustriert hat, weil ich immer Vollpower geben wollte. Na ja, du bist ja Sportlerin, ne. Also das werden wir heute ja auch noch, äh, erleben, dass dir das bis heute unfassbar wichtig ist. Nicht nur es selber zu tun, sondern es auch weiterzugeben. Wir lassen uns hier mal einfach ein bisschen schlendern gehen, weil ich hab nämlich nachher noch vor, mit deiner Mama, die ja auch da ist, auch noch zwei, drei Worte zu reden. Ich habe sozusagen jetzt aufm Weg einfach die Gesprächspartnerin getauscht. Es würde mich natürlich sehr interessieren, wie hast du als Mama, wie habt ihr als Eltern denn damals die Problematik wahrgenommen? Ja, es war ungefähr, wo sie zehn, elf war. Da hat sie gemerkt, dass sie Schmerzen in der linken Brustseite hat, in der linken Körperhälfte und hatte dann Angst, dass es vom Herz kommen könnte. Wir sind dann aber zum Kinderarzt gegangen und es wurde dann so gesagt, na, das wird wohl von ihrem Sport sein, eine Zerrung, eine Muskelzerrung. War für uns dann auch erst mal okay. Ähm, als die Ängste dann aber wieder kamen und wir schon dann öfter mal zum Arzt oder zum Kindernotfallzentrum abends gefahren sind mit den gleichen Ängsten, da haben wir uns dann doch schon eher Gedanken gemacht und insbesondere ich, weil ich da ein bisschen, ja, mich da auskenne, sage ich mal. Also die Erfahrung leider selber mal gemacht hab mit den Ängsten und das nicht ganz so von der Hand zu weisen war. Und dann gab's dann die Überweisung für den Kinderpsychiater und die habe ich dann halt auch unterstützt. Ähm, wie war das denn, als, ähm, als ihr die ersten Male mit der Krankheit konfrontiert wurdet? Ist die, ist das schleichend gekommen oder war das quasi aus einem bestimmten Auslöser auf einmal da? Habt ihr das mitbekommen als Eltern? Ja, das war irgendwann 2011. Da ging das, wie gesagt, mit dem, mit der Herzsache los, dass sie da Ängste hatte. Und wenn man später noch drüber nachdenkt, ja, da war eine Phase, da, da war ihr Opa, also der, mein Vati sozusagen, der hatte auch Krebs und, mhm, wir haben ihn auch besucht im Krankenhaus und so Krankenhausgeschichten war nicht so gut für sie. Und ja, da hat das in dem Sinne angefangen, würde ich mal denken. So 'ne, so 'ne Situation, die von außen so schlimm sind, also oder die dem Leben so eine Wendung geben. Also wo ich zum Beispiel, ich bin ja aus Brandenburg hierher gekommen bin, da ging's mir auch nicht so gut. Und dann kommen dann plötzlich so 'ne Gedanken in den Kopf, die eigentlich gar nicht dazugehören, aber schon irgendwie Ängste hervorrufen. Man merkt dir an, dass du hier sozusagen dein zweites Zuhause hast. Was löst das heute in dir aus, wenn du hier in die Turnhalle kommst? In der Halle habe ich nie über die Erkrankung nachgedacht, weil ich da immer den Sport einfach gemacht hab. Der Kopf war da aus oder ganz woanders. Ähm, heute ist das quasi demnach mein Anker auch in den Phasen, wenn's mir nicht so gut geht, freue ich mich richtig auf die Turnhalle, weil das mir Kraft gibt, vor allem die Kinder, weil die einfach so unbedarft und immer voller guter Laune sind und ihr Leben einfach leben und ich mir da manchmal eine Scheibe von abschneiden könnte, äh, gar nicht so viel nachzudenken. Und das, das, die Erinnerung kriege ich hier jede Woche wieder mitgegeben. Wir kommen so langsam zum Ende, aber eine Frage interessiert mich tatsächlich noch: Wo sieht sich die Laura von heute vielleicht so in der Zukunft? Tatsächlich habe ich über, also private, äh, Zukunft gar nicht, äh, weit bisher gedacht. Ich bin dankbar, dass ich an dem Punkt bin, wo ich jetzt stehe und dass es mir so gut geht. Möchte, dass das natürlich so bleibt. Und wenn da im Raum steht, erst mal sich weiter sich selber zu kümmern und das zu festigen, dann, ähm, sind andere Dinge grade nicht ganz so präsent. Was wäre deine Empfehlung abschließend? Mhm, erst mal in sich selber hineinhören, ähm, dann realistisch wahrnehmen, ob das jetzt grade eine Bedrohungssituation ist oder, ähm, woher das kommt und dann, ähm, sei, jeden seine Methode finden. Wenn man, äh, die diagnostische Weise braucht, dann gern auch zu 'nem Arzt gehen, der sich damit auskennt, ähm, weil Dr. Google ist keiner. Habt vielen lieben Dank und, äh, alles Gute natürlich für dich.", + "raw_asr_payload": { + "language_code": "deu", + "language_probability": 1.0, + "text": "Wie schwierig es wirklich ist, damit zu leben, wie belastend das ist. Das stimmt. Also so Hypochondrie und Krankheitsängste sind ja schon irgendwie ein Phänomen, was viele von uns kennen. Aber es gibt Leute, die leiden da so stark drunter, dass es tatsächlich dann auch eine Krankheit ist. Mhm. Diese Krankheit hat unsere Protagonistin Laura und Alex hat sie zu dem Thema mal ein bisschen befragt. Wir steigen mal gleich mit deiner Erkrankung ein. Du hast eine Angsterkrankung, und zwar Hypochondrie. Was bedeutet das? Das ist die Angst, ähm, schlimme Erkrankungen zu haben, die teilweise tödlich enden können oder, ähm, ja, lebensbedrohlich zumindest sind. Wann hattest du denn das letzte Mal diese Ängste? Mhm, tatsächlich, ähm, seit ich zur Reha war letztes Jahr, ist es nur noch so alle zwei Monate mal. Da tritt das tatsächlich mit einer Panikattacke auf, aber das kann ich ganz gut mittlerweile im, im Zaum halten. Ähm, davor war das schon regelmäßig. Also in den Hochzeiten, während ich Abi geschrieben habe, war das so teilweise mehrmals täglich, dass ich solche Panikattacken hatte, die ausgelöst wurden aufgrund irgendwelcher Gedanken um Krankheiten. Hast du irgendeine Ahnung? Weil das beschäftigt dich ja schon 'ne ganze Weile lang. Das trat das erste Mal auf, als du in etwa elf warst, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere. Ja, so elf, zwölf. Genau. Hast du eine Ahnung, wo das herkam? Also das war tatsächlich eines der Dinge, die ich immer rausfinden wollte. Warum? Wo kommt das her? Warum habe ich das? Ähm, es gibt bis heute nicht den Auslöser, aber wir haben so ein paar Strategien quasi entwickelt, die, äh, Ursache sein könnten. Es gibt zum einen ein bisschen eine genetische Disposition tatsächlich. Ähm, dann habe ich eine Autoimmunerkrankung in der Schilddrüse, die da ein bisschen reinspielen kann. Ich hatte 'ne, äh, Virusinfektion als Kind, ähm, die auch so was mit auslösen kann. Kam das bei dir schleichend dann oder ging dann auch so 'ne Beschäftigung mit Krankheitsbildern los? Also tatsächlich war ich schon immer sehr medizininteressiert. Ich wollte das am Anfang tatsächlich sogar studieren. Ähm, wäre gar keine so gute Idee gewesen, jetzt zurückblickend. Ähm, meine Trainerin ist auch Ärztin und, äh, dadurch habe ich auch immer so, wenn sie in der Sporthalle jemanden verarztet hat bei kleineren Verletzungen, wenn jemand umgeknickt ist oder so, habe ich das immer mitbekommen und fand das total faszinierend, dass sie immer die Tests gemacht hat und wusste, wie man das jetzt verbinden soll, zum Beispiel, und, äh, habe mich an sich damit befasst. Aber als es mich dann betroffen hat, habe ich natürlich viel, viel mehr Zeit investiert. Bücher gelesen, ähm, in der Schule, Biologie war dann mein Lieblingsfach. Ich wollte immer alles ganz genau wissen, wie was passieren kann oder funktioniert und dann hat man sich so ein bisschen selber das alles beigebracht. Und dann später kam Dr. Google dazu. Mhm. Ich habe ihn oft benutzt und die klassischen Schlagzeilen sind ja oft immer die schlimmsten. Also da geht's ja nicht los mit harmlosen Erkrankungen, sondern die Top-Google-Einträge sind ja oft dann immer schwierige Diagnosen und die hatte ich dann sofort. Mir war das total klar, wie groß die Wahrscheinlichkeiten sind. Teilweise habe ich auch gegoogelt, dass ich diese Erkrankung habe und die waren bei null Komma null, null, null zwei Prozent in meinem Alter zum Beispiel. Und jeder hat mir gesagt: \"Das, Laura, das hast du nicht, das kannst du gar nicht haben. Wieso sollst denn du das jetzt haben?\" Ähm, das, das war mir auch klar, aber irgendwas in mir hat immer gesagt: \"Dann bin ich trotzdem diese eine, die das hat. Es gibt solche Fälle, da hat es jemanden erwischt. So warum soll ich das nicht sein?\" Und dadurch hat mich das auch nie beruhigt, wenn irgendein Arzt gesagt hat: \"Ja, ist alles gut. Befunde sind top.\" Dann habe ich gesagt: \"Ja, sind sie heute top. Vielleicht sind sie in drei Wochen wieder schlecht.\" Du bist also mit deiner Familie zum Arzt auch gegangen. Es gab also Untersuchungen und diese Untersuchungen haben- Am Anfang wussten wir ja gar nicht, also wussten sie auch gar nicht, wie sie damit umgehen sollten. Ich wusste ja auch nicht, was mit mir los ist. Vor der Diagnose waren wir mehrmals in der Notaufnahme oder bei Bereitschaftsärzten, weil das oft abends auftritt. Und da da kein klassischer Arzt mehr offen hat, ähm, und in der Notaufnahme haben die immer mich zwar untersucht und das ernst genommen, aber es war jedes Mal kein wirklicher Befund, außer muskuläre Verspannungen, zum Beispiel als mir im Herz wehtat. Ähm, ja, und dann hat meine Kinderärztin natürlich auch zwischendrin immer mal ein paar Untersuchungen gemacht, die man eigentlich nicht unbedingt macht in dem Alter, aber um mich zu beruhigen und selber organische Dinge auszuschließen. Und nachdem das dann mehrmals, mehrmals wieder auftrat, hat sie gesagt: \"Na ja, wir haben gar keine Befunde. Wir gehen das noch mal bei Fachärzten gucken.\" War ich beim Kardiologen und solchen Dingen mit zwölf, dreizehn auch tatsächlich schon. Habe große Untersuchungen gemacht und auch da war nie was. Und dann hat sie mich zur Kinder- und Jugendpsychiaterin überwiesen, die mich supergut diagnostiziert hat und wo es dann endlich auch einen Namen hatte, was da los ist. Wurde es dann irgendwie leichter, damit umzugehen, oder...? Also ich weiß den Moment noch. Wir haben tatsächlich am Anfang ganz viele Tests gemacht, äh, ganz verschiedene Diagnostiken. Und ich habe immer schon gehofft, dass da was rauskommt, damit wir endlich was wissen. Aber ich hatte auch ein bisschen Angst, was rauskommen könnte, weil da hatte ich noch gar keine Ahnung, welche psychischen Erkrankungen es überhaupt so gibt. Und dann weiß ich noch, wie wir da zusammen saßen, mit meinen Eltern zusammen tatsächlich, und sie uns das erklärt hat, ähm, sehr einfach, was das bedeutet, was das, ähm, warum das so ausgelöst wird, was mein Körper da macht. Und dann hat das alles Sinn ergeben. Und sie hat aber auch gleich gesagt von Anfang an: \"Es wird jetzt nicht ganz morgen wieder weg sein. So. Wir müssen jetzt lernen, damit eher umzugehen.\" Und dann ging der Weg los. An, an welcher Stelle dieses Weges siehst du dich heute? Heu, ähm, heute ist der beste Stand, den es jemals in diesem Zeitraum gab. Es gab schon mal einen dazwischen nach meiner ersten Reha, der sehr gut war. Ähm, da war ich mir auch ziemlich sicher, dass mich das nicht noch mal erwischt. Ähm, als ich dann wieder ganz viel mit der Erkrankung durch meinen Opa zu tun hatte-War ich ein bisschen geschockt, dass es doch noch, dass es so nah doch noch an mich rankommen kann, weil ich eigentlich echt gut vorbereitet war. Hm, hab auch gelernt, dass das, ähm, jetzt, dass ich das wieder in den Griff kriege. Also dass es jetzt gerade so ist, dass ich's wirklich damit umgehen kann. Bin auch ein bisschen dankbar, dass ich durch die Angst die Erfahrung gesammelt hab, dass sie oft unbegründet war. Und erst muss man diese Phasen erleben, die sind überhaupt nicht schön. Ähm, aber jetzt weiß ich im Nachgang, da ist ja auch nichts passiert. Wieso soll denn diesmal was passieren? Also es macht mich auch irgendwie ein bisschen stärker, dass ich das da alles schon geschafft hab und weiß jetzt, ähm, wenn das auftritt, ist das wieder nur harmlos und morgen geht's mir wieder gut. Mhm. Gibt's abseits dessen noch andere Strategien, mit denen du deine Angst, deine Ängste, deine Hypochondrie im Zaum halten kannst? Ich bin tatsächlich so'n perfektionistisch veranlagter Mensch und wenn alles gut läuft, dann bin ich auch wirklich nicht so empfänglich für Angst. Wenn gerade ganz, ganz viel los ist und, ähm, vielleicht auch manches nicht ganz so läuft, wie ich mir das vorstelle, dann bin ich gestresst und dann hab ich schon so 'ne innere Anspannung und dann passiert das viel, viel leichter, dass das auftritt. Und die Methode ist quasi für mich jetzt daran zu erkennen, wann bin ich gestresst? Also ich muss diese Anspannung wahrnehmen, damit ich die da schon reagieren kann und die verhindern kann. Und da hilft mir ganz viel Entspannungstechniken tatsächlich. Wenn ich in solche Situationen komme, reichen teilweise schon leichte Atemtechniken und dass ich einfach so'n bisschen das Nervensystem regulieren kann und dass es gar nicht erst sich weiter hochfährt. Wie belastend war es zu Zeiten, als du diese Resilienz noch nicht hattest? Was für Möglichkeiten gab es, dem Ganzen zu begegnen? Also das war tatsächlich, das war gar keine schöne Zeit, weil da hatte ich wirklich keine Strategie. Da war die Strategie, striktes Überleben, hoffen, dass es vorbeigeht. Ähm, das ist am Ende so weit gewesen, dass ich das Haus nicht mehr wirklich verlassen hab, weil in meinem Bett war ich am sichersten. Da konnte ich die Zeit einfach schnell vorübergehen lassen. Da habe ich mich wohlgefühlt, wusste, wo alles ist. Ich wusste, meine Ärztin ist dort, wenn ich hinfahren muss. Ich wusste die Öffnungszeiten ganz genau, ähm, ab wann ich in die Notaufnahme fahren müsste und hab das so alles darauf ausgerichtet, ähm, was mit mir ist und hab ganz viel auch Kontrollen gemacht, von Blutdruckmessungen bis, äh, Fieber und solche Dinge täglich und hab das protokolliert, ganz strikt, um zu gucken, gibt's da Veränderungen oder Auffälligkeiten. Und, ähm, meine Eltern als aber auch ich persönlich haben immer gesagt, vielleicht probierst du mal in die Turnhalle zu gehen, da bist du groß geworden. Das hat dir immer Spaß gemacht und Kraft gegeben. Das ging tatsächlich gut, weil ich da einfach aus dieser Welt so rausgekommen bin. Da war ich nicht in dieser Blase, wo ich mich mit mir beschäftigen konnte oder musste, sondern hab 'ne Aufgabe gehabt. Mein Gehirn war abgelenkt, ich konnte es abschalten. Aber sobald ich da wieder raus war und dann zurück zu Hause, dann ging das sofort in diesen Kreislauf über. Was war die letzte Krankheit, von der du befürchtet hast, sie zu haben? Das, was mein Opa hatte, Bauchspeicheldrüsenkrebs, äh, weil das einfach dann so, na ja, ich war dann so in diesem Thema drin und hab mich super gut damit beschäftigt. Und dann hatte ich natürlich auch plötzlich Schmerzen da, wo er sie hatte, weil ich ganz genau wusste, wo es ihm wehtat und hab gedacht: „Na, jetzt hast du das doch nicht auch noch.\" Ähm, das war allerdings nur 'ne ganz kurze Phase, weil mir bewusst war, wie wenig Vorerkrankungen ich dafür hab, wie unwahrscheinlich das ist in meinem Alter. Sonst hat sich das auf das Herz oder Gehirn konzentriert, dass ich da irgendwelche Erkrankungen, äh, dachte zu haben und deswegen war das im Bauchraum relativ schnell wieder raus. Du hast jetzt deinen Opa angesprochen und ich, ich weiß schon aus dem Vorgespräch, dass dein Opa für dich auch ein Mensch gewesen ist, der dir ausgesprochen wichtig ist. Mhm. Ähm, und du hast mir gezeigt, wo wir ihm begegnen können. Mhm. Wollen wir hingehen? Gerne. Sehr gerne. So, wir besuchen deinen Opa. Letztendlich. Genau, das ist unser, unsere Erinnerungsstätte sozusagen. Welchen Einfluss hatte denn die Erkrankung deines Opas für deine Hypochondrie? Ganz am Anfang hat das noch gar keinen Einfluss gehabt, weil da haben wir wirklich funktioniert. Das ging wirklich, das war einen Tag nach meinem Geburtstag, als er ins erste Mal ins Krankenhaus kam und da war das erst mal so, wir müssen jetzt diesen Film abspulen, diese ganzen Untersuchungen, die dann anstehen oder, äh, was gemacht werden muss, was wir besorgen müssen an Medikamenten. Und dann ha-haben wir einfach das alle gemacht so. Als wir die Diagnose hatten, die ersten Operationen anstanden und die Therapien, ähm, und ich auch viel, weil ich aufgrund meines Berufes mir's einteilen konnte, ein bisschen zu arbeiten, ähm, die Möglichkeit hatte, mit ihm zu den Arztterminen zusammenzufahren, als er auch nicht, ähm, das mehr geschafft hat körperlich, ähm, war ich da so ganz drin involviert. Ich hab gesagt, ich übernehme auch die Verantwortung, weil ich kenne dieses medizinische Wissen. Ich hab so'n bisschen den Background, ich möchte gern ihm da helfen und unterstützen, hat aber auf der anderen Seite auch dazu geführt, dass ich natürlich wieder super viel in dieses, in diesen Kosmos der Erkrankung eingetaucht bin, am Schluss endlich in, ins Krankenhaus gehen musste, was ich immer gemieden hab, jemals zu betreten und dann regelmäßig dort hingehen musste. Aber es stand für mich- Getriggert. Ja, es stand für mich aber auch zur Frage, es zu machen und mit der, mit der bewussten Entscheidung, es würde in mir was auslösen. Es hat schlussendlich auch was ausgelöst. Ich war in diesem Jahr deutlich sensibler, ähm, konnte das aber ganz gut verarbeiten, weil ich einfach für ihn das machen wollte so und es nicht mich in dem Moment vordergründig betroffen hat und wir als Familie einfach super gut funktioniert haben in dem Zeitraum. Du hattest irgendwann nebenbei mal so anklingen lassen, dass du neben deiner Hypochondrie noch 'ne weitere Angsterkrankung hattest, dass, äh, du andereKrankheitsbilder auch, die sich so ein bisschen gestapelt haben. Lässt du uns da noch mal reingucken? Was, was gab es da parallel? Also unabhängig davon habe ich, äh, Problematiken im Ess-und Schlafverhalten gehabt, was jetzt, äh, keine Essstörung war, sondern ich habe einfach aufgrund der Panikattacken keine Energie gehabt zu essen oder weder Appetit noch Sonstiges. Ich habe dadurch viel abgenommen und Schlaf war auch immer so eine Schwierigkeit. Also ich konnte ganz lange nicht einschlafen, nicht durchschlafen, brauchte da tatsächlich medikamentöse Hilfe irgendwann, weil ich sonst gar nicht mehr zu Energie gekommen wäre. Das war, haben wir ganz gut, äh, im Griff gekriegt und dann hat sich so eine zweite Angsterkrankung, Agoraphobie, dazu entwickelt und die beiden in Kombination waren richtig sportlich, weil ich, äh, dadurch in der Schule- Das ist die Angst in enger Räumen, ne? Genau, so in engen Räumen oder mit, in Menschenmengen. Und das dann zu verbinden, äh, mit dem Abi in der Phase, in der ich grad war, das war total sportlich. Ähm, die konnten wir aber gut mit einer Verhaltenstherapie tatsächlich in Griff kriegen. Also das hat, macht jetzt gar nichts mehr mit mir. Das war wirklich nur so eine vorübergehende Phase. Ist aber nicht untypisch, dass, ähm, man dann empfänglicher ist für weitere Erkrankungen. Es klang zwischenzeitlich auch fast so, als wäre, wäre das, hätte das depressive Züge mitgehabt. Ja, so, also im, so auf den Diagnoseblättern steht immer depressive Verstimmung oder Phasenepisoden. Ähm, das hat mich aber tatsächlich nie so, ich hab das nie so wahrgenommen. Es war für mich mehr die Angst, die das ausgelöst hat, diese Antriebslosigkeit, weil ich einfach die Energie im Körper nicht hatte und das mich frustriert hat, weil ich immer Vollpower geben wollte. Na ja, du bist ja Sportlerin, ne. Also das werden wir heute ja auch noch, äh, erleben, dass dir das bis heute unfassbar wichtig ist. Nicht nur es selber zu tun, sondern es auch weiterzugeben. Wir lassen uns hier mal einfach ein bisschen schlendern gehen, weil ich hab nämlich nachher noch vor, mit deiner Mama, die ja auch da ist, auch noch zwei, drei Worte zu reden. Ich habe sozusagen jetzt aufm Weg einfach die Gesprächspartnerin getauscht. Es würde mich natürlich sehr interessieren, wie hast du als Mama, wie habt ihr als Eltern denn damals die Problematik wahrgenommen? Ja, es war ungefähr, wo sie zehn, elf war. Da hat sie gemerkt, dass sie Schmerzen in der linken Brustseite hat, in der linken Körperhälfte und hatte dann Angst, dass es vom Herz kommen könnte. Wir sind dann aber zum Kinderarzt gegangen und es wurde dann so gesagt, na, das wird wohl von ihrem Sport sein, eine Zerrung, eine Muskelzerrung. War für uns dann auch erst mal okay. Ähm, als die Ängste dann aber wieder kamen und wir schon dann öfter mal zum Arzt oder zum Kindernotfallzentrum abends gefahren sind mit den gleichen Ängsten, da haben wir uns dann doch schon eher Gedanken gemacht und insbesondere ich, weil ich da ein bisschen, ja, mich da auskenne, sage ich mal. Also die Erfahrung leider selber mal gemacht hab mit den Ängsten und das nicht ganz so von der Hand zu weisen war. Und dann gab's dann die Überweisung für den Kinderpsychiater und die habe ich dann halt auch unterstützt. Ähm, wie war das denn, als, ähm, als ihr die ersten Male mit der Krankheit konfrontiert wurdet? Ist die, ist das schleichend gekommen oder war das quasi aus einem bestimmten Auslöser auf einmal da? Habt ihr das mitbekommen als Eltern? Ja, das war irgendwann 2011. Da ging das, wie gesagt, mit dem, mit der Herzsache los, dass sie da Ängste hatte. Und wenn man später noch drüber nachdenkt, ja, da war eine Phase, da, da war ihr Opa, also der, mein Vati sozusagen, der hatte auch Krebs und, mhm, wir haben ihn auch besucht im Krankenhaus und so Krankenhausgeschichten war nicht so gut für sie. Und ja, da hat das in dem Sinne angefangen, würde ich mal denken. So 'ne, so 'ne Situation, die von außen so schlimm sind, also oder die dem Leben so eine Wendung geben. Also wo ich zum Beispiel, ich bin ja aus Brandenburg hierher gekommen bin, da ging's mir auch nicht so gut. Und dann kommen dann plötzlich so 'ne Gedanken in den Kopf, die eigentlich gar nicht dazugehören, aber schon irgendwie Ängste hervorrufen. Man merkt dir an, dass du hier sozusagen dein zweites Zuhause hast. Was löst das heute in dir aus, wenn du hier in die Turnhalle kommst? In der Halle habe ich nie über die Erkrankung nachgedacht, weil ich da immer den Sport einfach gemacht hab. Der Kopf war da aus oder ganz woanders. Ähm, heute ist das quasi demnach mein Anker auch in den Phasen, wenn's mir nicht so gut geht, freue ich mich richtig auf die Turnhalle, weil das mir Kraft gibt, vor allem die Kinder, weil die einfach so unbedarft und immer voller guter Laune sind und ihr Leben einfach leben und ich mir da manchmal eine Scheibe von abschneiden könnte, äh, gar nicht so viel nachzudenken. Und das, das, die Erinnerung kriege ich hier jede Woche wieder mitgegeben. Wir kommen so langsam zum Ende, aber eine Frage interessiert mich tatsächlich noch: Wo sieht sich die Laura von heute vielleicht so in der Zukunft? Tatsächlich habe ich über, also private, äh, Zukunft gar nicht, äh, weit bisher gedacht. Ich bin dankbar, dass ich an dem Punkt bin, wo ich jetzt stehe und dass es mir so gut geht. Möchte, dass das natürlich so bleibt. Und wenn da im Raum steht, erst mal sich weiter sich selber zu kümmern und das zu festigen, dann, ähm, sind andere Dinge grade nicht ganz so präsent. Was wäre deine Empfehlung abschließend? Mhm, erst mal in sich selber hineinhören, ähm, dann realistisch wahrnehmen, ob das jetzt grade eine Bedrohungssituation ist oder, ähm, woher das kommt und dann, ähm, sei, jeden seine Methode finden. Wenn man, äh, die diagnostische Weise braucht, dann gern auch zu 'nem Arzt gehen, der sich damit auskennt, ähm, weil Dr. Google ist keiner. 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