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staff of the Fuehrer's deputy situation, however, was mitigated when Hess was the chief of Hitler's staff because of Hess's personal qualities. When, however, at a later date, Martin Bormann took over the leadership of the party chancellery, the ensuing differences of opinion could not be prevented. DR. FROESCHMANN:Mr.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,115,000 | 2,115,500 |
have difficulties with his brother. There was no connection possible as a result of the connection of these two brothers. QWitness, in this trial, as well as in all the other trials which are dealt with by the Military Tribunals, one person plays an extraordinary part and his name was Himmler. What was Bouhler's relati... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,115,450 | 2,115,950 |
to give this judgment from here. QYou did work with Brack in the Chancellery of the Fuehrer? Are you in a position to tell the Tribunal something about Brack's field of work as briefly as possible? AAfter the applications for pardons, and so forth, had been taken away from Brack's field of work and were dealt with as a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,115,900 | 2,116,400 |
separate himself from Mr. Brack, because he would have to accuse Mr. Brack of a grave breach of confidence. I don't know this incident in its details. I only know the basic attitude of Mr. Brack towards that incident. For that reason I know that we were here concerned with a breach of confidence as Heydrich called it r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,116,350 | 2,116,850 |
continue with the examination of this witness in the morning? DR. FROESCHMANN:Mr. President, I have concluded two-thirds of the examination of the witness Hederich. What I want to hear now refers essentially to euthanasia. THE PRESIDENT:If the witness will testify to some facts relevant to the issues before the Tribuna... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,116,800 | 2,117,300 |
Q.Another question. The Defendant Brack during his interrogation has spoken about a so-called Madagascar plan which in 1940 came up for discussion in the Chancellory of the Fuehrer and was dealt with there. Do you have any knowledge of a Madascar Plan? A.Yes. Q.What do you know about it? What was the aim of that plan? ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,117,250 | 2,117,750 |
contained therein which I myself only received in recent days. I need not read the document I referred to, I am merely offering it to the Tribunal with the request that you take judicial notice of it. THE PRESIDENT:Will counsel again refer to the document number in his book. DR. FROESCHMANN:It is Document No. 27, in th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,117,700 | 2,118,200 |
to be relevant by me. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal is of the opinon that the matter--at least at this time -- is entirely without any probative value in connection with the issue before this Tribunal. The objection will be sustained with leave to re-offer the document later. As the evidence developes it may be determined... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,118,150 | 2,118,650 |
the witness may use the document to refresh his recollection, answer any questions that are material to this inquiry. BY DR. FREOSCHMANN (Continuing) QWitness, I repeat my question as to when and how did you learn of the euthanasia measures adopted in Germany, and I also would like to ask you to use the document in the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,118,600 | 2,119,100 |
testimony would lead to the conclusion that Bouhler had spoken with Hitler about the necessity of a legal formulation of the euthanasia decree or order, or decree -- whichever you want to call it. AYes. QAnd then your testimony would further show that Hitler with regard to Bouhler's suggestion had turned that down? AI ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,119,050 | 2,119,550 |
turn, if difficulties arose, should find the legal solution. That wasn't, after all, his task. QI am asking you, what was the attitude adopted of the Reich Ministry of Justice with regard to Bouhler's wish that a draft law should become law? AAs far as I know, the matter was left in abeyance. No further clarification w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,119,500 | 2,120,000 |
Bouhler's statements any knowledge regarding the point of view which he and Brack might have had when they considered euthanasia to be justified? A.From the events I had more than sufficient opportunity to learn of Bouhler's attitude with regard to these questions. First of all, there were his considerations of a legal... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,119,950 | 2,120,450 |
by him as being that of Bouhler? THE PRESIDENT:The document may be submitted to the witness. If he can identify the signature, he may testify. (The document was submitted to the witness.) BY DR. FROESCHMANN: Q.Witness, will you please read through this document and will you answer my question as to who has signed this ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,120,400 | 2,120,900 |
to him that he needn't bother about that plan any further since it would be the subject of discussions if and when the time came, and the way I always understood that was that it meant it would be of inter-European concern because the war was considered to be inter-European at that time. France was interested - any pla... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,120,850 | 2,121,350 |
at several institutes and also as a practitioner; that is, I worked in several hospitals and practiced and this included Munich. I then went to Dresden to the Women's Clinic where I had further training for six months, and then in 1913, upon being persuaded by my teacher, Krepelin - I am a scholar of Krepelin in Munich... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,121,300 | 2,121,800 |
of the care for an hospitalization of drinkers, etc. I don't want to list them all, but that was the bulk. QWhen were you finally transferred to Egelfing-Haar? AFirst of all there was something else. In 1935 the Municipal Committee at Augsburg through the local medical officer, appointed me the head of the Local Health... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,121,750 | 2,122,250 |
of instructions did you receive regarding the transfer of these Jewish Insane people in 1940 and if so from what source did you get them? AI don't know for certain what the date was, but I did receive a decision from the Bavarian State Ministry of the Interior, according to which a number of Jewish patients from all Ba... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,122,200 | 2,122,700 |
generally easier for the head of an institute, in order to get the cases there quickly when they were fresh and to remove them as quickly as possible from the atmosphere of a curring home, which always has a favorable influence. Likewise, for the same reason I was a convinced and fanatic follower of the principle of se... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,122,650 | 2,123,150 |
outside help in a nursing home. They would have to be removed permanently from the community, because of the type of their disease, and the practical psychiatrist would best describe them as permanently in need of confinement to a mental institute they are a-social Q.Doctor, you have just used the word "a-social", do y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,123,100 | 2,123,600 |
at least a fortnight ago that I did so. MR. HARDY:The Prosecution does not have a copy of that, Your Honor. However, it is apparently a magazine which gives conditions in the US mental hospitals, United States, and this evidence will come under the category of that evidence with the Tribunal has ruled will not come up ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,123,550 | 2,124,050 |
question to the witness whether such tupes as pictured, there are the types of incurably insane persons, and I also limit myself to the question of whether the photographs in this German vest book of psychioly by Pleussner, on page 405, following are also such types. The book itself has been given me by a third party a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,124,000 | 2,124,500 |
even during the war. They had whole milk, hot cereal, marmalade, additional fruit rations and easily digestible childrens' food and that food prescribed by childrens' doctors, milk in all forms. The children were treated just as they always are elsewhere. QWitness, what is meant by children with serious hereditary and ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,124,450 | 2,124,950 |
doctor, comment on this document No. 863. AWhen I read the document I was not only astonished at the incredible contents, but horrified. First of all lecture tours with demonstrations in my institute were conducted in exactly the same way as my predecessor conducted them. The purpose of these tours was to inform the pu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,124,900 | 2,125,400 |
good given to the Nation. QDoctor, just a minute. May I point out something to you at this point. You are supposed to have said that these creatures, meaning those children, of course, represent for me as a national socialist merely burdens for our national health, please explain that? AI can say even if this child was... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,125,350 | 2,125,850 |
conclusion was reached that the Reich Committee Station was to be set up in my institution, because there was a children's house there, and because there were a number of cases who were idiots, cases of children psychiatry, deformity, neurological cases, and, I believe it was the Deputy President of the District Associ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,125,800 | 2,126,300 |
with a number 1696-PS, Exhibit No. 357, which is in the English Document Book 14 - will you find that in 14. I will give you the exact page. In the German Document Book it is page 128. I shall find the page in the English Document Book. This document, Mr. President, was submitted only in part by the prosecution. I got ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,126,250 | 2,126,750 |
not have been any Reich Committee Station, or institution, because I sent this child to Schoenbrunn. In the second place I obviously had no idea when I transferred this child that I had to report it, because I sent it to a mental institution without reporting it, and I was asked to get an opinion on this child. Apparen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,126,700 | 2,127,200 |
society. Something like that. Q.These questionnaires, Doctor, were later sent from Berlin to the government doctors with instructions that when such births occurred the questionnaires were to be filled out and sent back to Berlin? A.Yes. Q.If I speak of Berlin, I don't know whether you and I understand the same thing. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,127,150 | 2,127,650 |
Committee Station for these children? A.Yes. Q.Who told you about that? A.That was the result of a discussion in Munich in the Ministry. Q.Now, did you receive authorization from any source to treat these children according to modern methods of therapy and, if the treatment was completely hopeless, to shorten the life ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,127,600 | 2,128,100 |
the mental institutions and the distress of the mothers and fathers of these children. That is why I looked at euthanasia positively. And I put myself at the disposal of the Reich Work Union when I was called upon. I know the opinion of important German professors and their attitude upon euthanasia, and I personally an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,128,050 | 2,128,550 |
of the Fuehrer or from the Reich ministry of the Interior in the office of the Chancellory of the Fuehrer? A As far as I recall the envelope had a stamp on it "Chancellory of the Fuehrer", and as far as I remember it was signed "Bouhler." Q That will be enough, Witness, now what was the subject of the discussion at thi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,128,500 | 2,129,000 |
the English Document Book, I shall give you the page number this afternoon. QDoctor, do you remember the contents of these questionnaires or shall I show you the document? AI would appreciate it if you would give me the document. THE PRESIDENT:Before going into this matter of the document book, the Tribunal will be in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,128,950 | 2,129,450 |
and what kind of treatment has preceded that stage. One has to observe whether there is a refractory therapy condition, which is a condition which can no longer be treated, a completely final condition. One has to take into consideration whether any such condition has resulted. In the case of epilepsy one has to find c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,129,400 | 2,129,900 |
expert, at any rate, by me. These were sent on, the case history, or else a personal examination of the patient in necessary All of these things were actually observed. There was even the possibility to insert a detailed remark on the back of the questionnaire about any matter which was left unclear, or about any inves... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,129,850 | 2,130,350 |
or the beginning of '40, you were asked to fill out questionnaires about certain patients in your institution, such a questionnaire would have to be directed to your office, is that right? AYes. Those questionnaires were sent to me, yes. QI asked also, perhaps you cannot remember it, that a regulation sheet was attache... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,130,300 | 2,130,800 |
to have another vote. QWhat you just said is of considerable interest, especially because the Prosecution has submitted Document 3865-PS, Exhibit 365, which is to be found in the German Document Book 14, page 156, and in the English Document Book at page 230. This is a document wherein a female witness points out that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,130,750 | 2,131,250 |
the same situation as in the case of an expert. These experts were used in the same way as all the experts are used during any trial and it is possible also for them to make an error once in a while, but I do think that we're here only concerned with singular cases. I don't think that any principal errors were possible... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,131,200 | 2,131,700 |
only then gave my opinion on them. Q.Doctor, this brings me to the end of the most extensive point of view regarding the procedure which was adopted by the Reich Committee within the euthanasia procedure. It is now only necessary for me to put a number of small questions to you which arose from your activity and which ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,131,650 | 2,132,150 |
heaviest work and only that after many, many tedious negotiations. I only received that for tubercular patients and people who had to stand on guard for as long as ten hours. The whole thing was refected for the patients. Then, of course, I had to make a complaint to the district office and I also turned to the Ministr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,132,100 | 2,132,600 |
this, during the conference in Berlin, Dr. Bouhler's conference, a release of space was discussed and the furnishing of that space for Army purposes. At to be vacated for particularly discussed that this space was to be vacated for purposes of healing, but not within the framework of euthanasia, euthanasia was not at a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,132,550 | 2,133,050 |
as a result of the war were to be excepted, perhaps you didn't express yourself quite properly. I am putting to you that in a document, which I don't find, submitted by the prosecution, there was a list of a number of death cases where death notices were contained, and I think that three or four participants in the Wor... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,133,000 | 2,133,500 |
determined that Jews were not to be included in the euthanasia program; did I understand you correctly? A.I am afraid I wasn't in a position to follow your question exactly. Q.State whether or not Jews were to be included in the euthanasia program? A.I didn't know that Jews were to be included. I never heard of that. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,133,450 | 2,133,950 |
that and I, therefore, cannot tell you that. Only at a later date I had. occasion to see the Reichsleiter Bouhler, where he showed me a letter, according to which a decree had been issued by the Fuehrer which constituted the basis for the execution of the euthanasia program. Bouhler showed me that personally upon my re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,133,900 | 2,134,400 |
I don't know that. Q.Wasn't that 1 September 1939? A.Well that may be but I don't know that exactly. I wasn't active militarily with the exception of having been conscripted to the home guard a.t the end, but otherwise I wasn't in any military service. The war started on the 1st of September, 1939. I do know that. Q.Yo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,134,350 | 2,134,850 |
rid of inmates who were not fit for work. Now don't you recall telling that in an examination in Frankfurt? A.In Frankfurt? I am sure I didn't say it there. I really don't remember it. Q.You don't remember that you stated that one of the insane asylums, the name was Gabersee, spelled G-a-b-e-r-s-e-e-, was handed over t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,134,800 | 2,135,300 |
otherwise I would have remembered that instance, but really it was an obligation in the sense of secrecy, and in the sense of my task which was given to me in the Reich Ministry of the Interior, in my capacity as an expert. QDoctor, who else did that. Did someone else ask you to keep these matters a secret? AI beg your... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,135,250 | 2,135,750 |
no longer recall all these details; all these dates are mixed up in my mind, and I could only reconstruct them truly on the basis of the document. QThen I shall try to help you, doctor. I will not ask you to go back three or four or five years. I will ask you to recall your interrogation of the past few months. Do you ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,135,700 | 2,136,200 |
there? ASo far as I can remember, Conti was present, Linden was present, Professor Heide was there, and Hetze. I think Dr. Brandt was there. QYes. ABrandt and Brack, and I think I can still remember these. QNow you say Dr. Brandt was there. Was that Dr. Karl Brandt? AYes, sir. QWas Professor Nietzsche there? ASo far as... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,136,150 | 2,136,650 |
to welfare institutions, probably for the purpose of euthanasia, but when exactly euthanasia was to start I did not know. QMay I ask you one question, Doctor, along these lines? Was there over any one, to your knowledge, killed under the euthanasia program. That is, accorded a mercy death, or helped along so that they ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,136,600 | 2,137,100 |
AI think you said 1939. QWell now, toll me, from 1940 on you were .... A (Interrupting) Do you want to know when it started? QI want to know when it started, yes. AWell, I really can't tell you that exactly. I said the same thing in Frankfurt. You can't expect from me that I remember all these single dates after so man... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,137,050 | 2,137,550 |
demanded from me. That is quite impossible what you are saying. QWhen was the first transport... I'm not saying anything. I'm questioning you. Now, let's not have this hostile attitude. AI beg your pardon. It hurts mo because these are matters which I do not understand. It excites mo. AWell, all right now, after your m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,137,500 | 2,138,000 |
will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court. Counsel may proceed. HERMANNPFANNMUELLER - Resumed CROSSEXAMINATION (Continued) BY MR. HARDY: QDr. Pfannmueller, at the close of the session on Friday we were discussing the organization of the euthanasia program and I an interested in having you exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,137,950 | 2,138,450 |
people there too. The introduction was as it usually is, I don't understand names and you just smile. But I think I can remember that during tho discussion the question of incurability was discussed and I believe that Professor Heinze spoke, and I said something, and I think Professor Heyde made a remark too. That is w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,138,400 | 2,138,900 |
you can't think ill of me if I don't remember all these details. QNow, was there anything further you recall about that meeting that you would like to tell us about? ANo, I can not remember anything else. QWell now- A (Continuing)nothing else was said. I had no idea as to why that conference was called. The invitation ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,138,850 | 2,139,350 |
the Columbus House. I don't remember. QNow, Dr. Pfannmueller, after those episode of receiving questionnaires to be filled out on the patients in your hospital, then there was another meeting held, that is, a meeting of the experts in the Summer of 1940. Can you tell us just what was the reason for the calling of this ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,139,300 | 2,139,800 |
A.Vorwerk? QYes. AVorwerk, I believe Vorwerk was present, but I don't know for certain. I believe that he was there at the end, but I don't know for sure, gentlemen. I believe that a few words were said about the transport of the patients, and that might have been Vorwerk. It was discussed they should be removed in bus... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,139,750 | 2,140,250 |
the discussion of the doctor, the medical conclusions were reached about the evaluation cf the permanent cases, which were to he transferred to other institutions, and about details cf the diagnosis and prognosis cf cases, and in their registration; about the use of tho questionnaire by doctors with scientific and prac... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,140,200 | 2,140,700 |
the questionnaire by the chief doctor of the institute when they were hospitalized; when did you first hear that the final disposition would be to accord these patients a mercy death? Do you understand the import of the question, doctor? A.Yes, I know what you mean, but I was not able to formulate all of your statement... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,140,650 | 2,141,150 |
then I said to Bouhler and asked him what would be done when Euthanasia would begin. He did not give me any answer, he said that the law was being worked out, the regulation for the execution for this law were being worked out. That was the sense of what he said and also that the law would be published at the proper ti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,141,100 | 2,141,600 |
by the other institution about the patients arrival and his well being That is how it was as far as I can remember. Q.Well now Doctor when did the occasion arise of necessity for you to ask your employees in the institute to take an oath, similar to the oath that we see here in the Documents that they would keep secret... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,141,550 | 2,142,050 |
as I can remember, after I had to send the pediatrician to Berlin, and he came back and told me it was top secret, and that the person working on it had to be obligated to secrecy. That referred only to my administration and to the personnel for observation and treatment in the Reich Committee Station, that is the nurs... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,142,000 | 2,142,500 |
Falkenhauser, that I refused, if I was supposed to give up a patient, and I thought that the prerequisites for transfer and possible euthanasia were not given I retained the patient. That is not a defense on my part but proof that as an expert I took seriously the safeguards involved in the procedure. QThis conference ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,142,450 | 2,142,950 |
was such that they were suffering and that a mercy death would be the proper thing to do. Was that the first time, in the fall or winter of 1940 that you realized that? A.I believe that was about that time. The rest was assumption but I thought at any rate that this time I heard of it for the first time. A time when th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,142,900 | 2,143,400 |
institutional doctor in Bavaria or head of an institute in Bavaria, after the beginning of the removal of patients and after these measures the concept of Euthanasia became generally known, decided to resign. I don' t know of a single case. Therefore, I don't understand it at all. Does he mean conference of the Schmale... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,143,350 | 2,143,850 |
also be excused from attendance before the Tribunal tomorrow afternoon on request of his counsel in order to consult with the defendant in preparation of his case. CROSS-EXAMINATION (Resumed) BY MR. HARDY: QBr. Pfannmueller, during the recess I presented the photostatic copy of the document No. 1313 - which is found on... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,143,800 | 2,144,300 |
the order, I believe, of the Reich Ministry of the Interior, I no longer know exactly whose order it was. Q.Now, how many Jewish inmates did you have there; you had a considerable number of Jewish inmates? A.I don't know now, how many Jewish patients I had, but there is a Document that I read here-just a moment. Q.That... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,144,250 | 2,144,750 |
for sure. I know only one thing, I was told to surrender these Jewish patients again because they were taken to a Jewish collective institute. This was to be done on directions from Berlin, it was said they were to be sent to Jewish institutes in Poland. That was never told to me officially by the Ministry, but I asked... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,144,700 | 2,145,200 |
questionnaires from other institutions, what were you instructed by higher authorities in Berlin to do with the questionnaires? A.I was to expertise on the Medical questions that were to be found in the questionnaire. In other words, to make a note in the left lower corner whether I thought that this case was one that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,145,150 | 2,145,650 |
competence. I did not know. I did not decide that. QWhat I am trying to find out, Doctor, is when you perused and studied one of these questionnaires and you were ordered by Berlin to make recommendations and you had three recommendations to make -- plus, minus, and so forth -- and you recommended that this particular ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,145,600 | 2,146,100 |
Frankfurt. I can not be answered just off the cuff. Only an expert or a physician can answer that question. If I am working on such a questionnaire and if I have experience in working on such questionnaires, I can under some conditions take care of the questionnaire relatively rapidly according to psychiatric-medical q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,146,050 | 2,146,550 |
to you to make it easier for you. This is in Document Book 14, Part 2. THE PRESIDENT:What page is it on? MR. HARDY:It is to be found on page 179, Your Honor. BY MR. HARDY: QIt will perhaps be easier for you to follow me, witness, if I pass you up the photostatic copies of this document. AI'll take your word for it. QTh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,146,500 | 2,147,000 |
cannot be seen at all what would be expertized, where and what the cases were. At the beginning it could have been cases that could have been easily expertized easily and rapidly. These numbers may include lots of cases that I never worked on at all. I could have sent the whole batch back without working on them and I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,146,950 | 2,147,450 |
had to concern myself with the contents of the questionnaire. QNow, Doctor, let us go to the question of children - the Reich Committee. Now, when did you first receive information and when did you just first become familiar with the Reich Committee for Hereditary and Constitutionally Severe Diseases? AThat must have b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,147,400 | 2,147,900 |
recall that you mentioned the name Dr. Hefelmann and on this chart drawn by Viktor Brack he indicates Dr. Hefelmann to be the head of a division under the Chancellery of the Fuehrer. Do you understand what I am pointing out, Doctor? AI don't know that document that you have there before you nor do I know what Brack's t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,147,850 | 2,148,350 |
that start to function, that is the actual according of mercy deaths to children in this category? AThat was a conference. I received from the Reich Committee, which I never heard of before, knowledge of a conference in the Reich Ministry of the Interior. I was asked to attend this conference. That was in the Ministry ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,148,300 | 2,148,800 |
who you deemed to be in such a condition that they should be accorded a mercy death. Now, how many such children did you doom to be in that condition in your own institute? AThat I can not tell you. Children from the institutions and nursing home at Neu-Oetting, Schoenbrunn, etc., all of these children I took over alon... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,148,750 | 2,149,250 |
or is that a factor at all, Doctor? AThe maximum doses are arranged according to age. It is prescribed that for children up to a certain age we give a dose of luminal which is one-third as small as in the case of adults. These doses are prescribed these maximum doses and vary greatly and are always being revised. QWell... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,149,200 | 2,149,700 |
the case of our feeble mindness and exigenous and indigenous problems and we discussed this case with all the personnel concerning once more, then finally I could together with my pediatrician, say now "the case can be treated," and then the date for the treatment was determined on. Then I received notice when the trea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,149,650 | 2,150,150 |
you had made during the direct examination, only in a few points could your answer perhaps be clarified to avoid any errors, and it is these points upon which I should like to question you now. First of all, a personal question Doctor, you, yourself, are a neurologist. AYes. QAnd consequently, know the term "prison psy... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,150,100 | 2,150,600 |
the so-called top secret matters were to be handled only by people who were specifically authorized to. AYes, that was the case even before the war when my personnel were drafted into the army. I myself was obligated. I put the papers into the safe myself. QCan you also say that on the basis of this order authorized pe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,150,550 | 2,151,050 |
myself somehow tied emotionally to the children as their medical guardian." Doctor, my question to you is, it can be seen from this letter of Hoelzel that at that time you wanted to commission him with the direction of this children's home, so that he could apply new therapeutical methods there? A.I cannot deny that po... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,151,000 | 2,151,500 |
a transport train reached your institution and fetched away patients, you had previously received some sort of a notice to prepare for the transport a certain number of patients; isn't that so? A.No, the method was a little different. I was given transport lists; these lists said that the patients were to be picked up ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,151,450 | 2,151,950 |
1940. Let's go on. Now, I will ask you again. Is this list on a printed form list for transports, or is this list of the Jewish patients something that you yourself prepared on a special paper? A.No, that is the list which I was given, it is a transport list giving the names and their dates of birth. Q.And who wrote th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,151,900 | 2,152,400 |
total registration of all insane persons for the purpose of transferring them separate mental institutions; is that so? AYes. QNow, in the course of the second meeting, was there any mention of any measures, without using the word "euthanasia," which did, however refer to euthanasia? ADoctor, this question is very diff... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,152,350 | 2,152,850 |
you fill out questionnaires? AI did not understand your question. QWhen you received the questionnaires regarding the incurable mental cases, you had to fill them out? AYes. QMy question is: Regarding how many mental cases, approximately, did you fill out these questionnaires? AI don't remember. I think it was less tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,152,800 | 2,153,300 |
could be put aside by you as positive, en masse, so to speak, or whether or not it couldn't be seen right from the beginning that hundreds of the questionnaires were filled out incorrectly and so were just put aside. How was that? A.In many cases in filling out questionnaires I saw from the very beginning that this was... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,153,250 | 2,153,750 |
THE PRESIDENT:Submit the document to the Tribunal. JUDGE SEBRING:Counsel, in this form that you have submitted to the witness there appears to be a considerable number of questions to be answered if the form is to be complete. However, in some of the vacant spaces after questions appears handwriting by someone. Those h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,153,700 | 2,154,200 |
you want him to say whether or not merely from a cursory examination he would recommend this man for the privilege of a mercy death. Is that the point? DR. FROESCHMANN:Yes, that is right. Witness, did you hear the judges' explanation? A.Whether I would judge this case positively or not. Gentlemen, this questionnaire is... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,154,150 | 2,154,650 |
the oath, repeating after me. I swear by God, the almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) JUDGE SEBRING:You may be seated. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY DR. FROESCHMANN: QMr. Brack, please state your full name. AViktor Hermann Brack. QWhen we... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,154,600 | 2,155,100 |
the Palatinate, on the basis of that treaty. QAt that time you were seventeen years old. Now, did these events have any influence on your further development? AYes, of course. We were refugees in Munich, as people today come from the cast, perhaps, and are refugees here. We were received there accordingly. We had to tr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,155,050 | 2,155,550 |
began to study agriculture. I studied agriculture for three semesters. QWere you able to continue in these plans? ANo, I could not continue my plans. I changed horses. I began to study economics. I had to earn my own way. My father had enough to do to earn a living for the family, especially for my younger brothers and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,155,500 | 2,156,000 |
it, I need not read it. QWitness, we have now reached the time when you entered political activity. Before we consider this matter further, I should like to discuss the theme that I told the Tribunal I was going to take up, namely Count IV of the Indictment, conspiracy, and I should like to ask you whether, besides eut... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,155,950 | 2,156,450 |
later. QYes, and how about the rest of the defendants? AAll the rest of the defendants I met personally and even by name only during the trial. QNow, what answer do you give to the question as to whether you admit or wish to deny having taken part in a conspiracy for the commission of war crimes or crimes against human... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,156,400 | 2,156,900 |
be put in evidence, namely the questionnaire that I sent to Dr. Buerkner, with the aid of the Prosecution, and which then was answered by him, is that correct? MR. HARDY:May it please Your Honor, my colleague Dr. Hochwald is more familiar with this then I am, and I wish he would address the court on this matter and tel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,156,850 | 2,157,350 |
far. THE PRESIDENT:If counsel chooses that position then the Document, of course, should not be referred to in any way in the evidence before the Tribunal. The matter will rest right where it is now. BY DR. FROESCHMANN: QWitness, without reference to this Document, about which there was just a discussion, will you plea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,157,300 | 2,157,800 |
never happened that somebody refused to testify and besides I was only a witness insofar as the interrogator was concerned and he did not have to decide whether I would become a defendant. QIn one of the interrogations of 1 September 1939, you discussed Hitler's order? AYes, the decree was shown to me and a conversatio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,157,750 | 2,158,250 |
in the preparation for the extermination of whom he is alleged to have participated. Mr. Brack. what was your attitude toward the Jews? APrecisely in view of the charge that I participated in the preparations for the extermination, I must state in the beginning that I never had any hatred of the Jews, neither against a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,158,200 | 2,158,700 |
South America, and the Tribunal has told me that it would be acceptable. THE PRESIDENT:Whom did you say informed you, counsel, that the affidavit would be accepted in its form? Did you say the Tribunal informed you? DR. FROESCHMANN:Mr. President. On 19 February I applied in writing to the Tribunal that Dr. Hans Ollenso... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,158,650 | 2,159,150 |
out to Your Honor that the translation is also there, the German translation of the original Spanish document. THE PRESIDENT:The certification by some officer who witnessed the signature, have that translated. DR. FROESCHMANN:This affidavit was originally in Spanish. Then at that time I had made a German translation an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,159,100 | 2,159,600 |
BRACK - Resumed. MR. HARDY:May it please your honor, defense counsel for the defendant Brack introduced Brack Document No. 9 and marked it as Exhibit No. 6 in yesterday's afternoon session. The prosecution raised objection to the admission of the document into evidence due to the fact that the document was executed in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,159,550 | 2,160,050 |
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