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in a concentration camp? A.It will always be difficult to make it clear to people that hardly one person knew in Germany anything about the concentration camps. According to name, I knew of Dachau and, being a resident of Berlin, I knew of Oranienburg. I never saw a camp personally up to that time. I had heard that pro... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,980,000 | 1,980,500 |
Rascher had already suggested that at that time. The first step was the conference at the Reichsfuehrer's office at Munich and I think that there the decision was made to establish a conference with the commander at Dachau. Q.During that conference did Rascher wear the uniform of an SS officer or a Luftwaffe doctor? A.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,980,450 | 1,980,950 |
be in good physical condition, had to receive additional rations in order that a good comparison could be drawn to the personnel of the Luftwaffe regarding nourishment and physical condition. In addition, it was determined they were not to work during the time of the experiments. The camp commander then said that Rasch... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,980,900 | 1,981,400 |
it was not yet available, and to work out an experimental program, the basis of which already existed? Q.Before you returned to Berlin, the decision had already been made that such experiments were to be carried through, is that right? A.Yes. Q.Had you, as the representative of your Institute at Adlershof, already prev... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,981,350 | 1,981,850 |
the chamber to leave Berlin and go to Munich, that was in the beginning of February. Q.And after that you returned to Munich, did you? A.Yes, after the chamber had left Berlin I went after it by rail, one or two days later, in order to carry out the necessary technical preparations of the chamber at Dachau with Rascher... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,981,800 | 1,982,300 |
kilometers had been provided. There was the problem of how the crew could overcome an explosive decompression caused by a leak in the pressure cabin; and this was a question which had already been dealt with by a number of institutes, who concerned themselves with explosive decompression questions. We also had carried ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,982,250 | 1,982,750 |
been built by a number of manufacturers which were in a position to rise up to 16,000 meters in height. This figure apparently had not been mentioned. QWitness, what was Rascher's position in Dachau? AThe position in itself had been clarified by the basical condition raised by Himmler that Rascher had received authoriz... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,982,700 | 1,983,200 |
the 24th of February 1942, DocumentNO-263, Exhibit 47. In this letter, Mrs. Rascher writes that there were difficulties of command and that the experiments were stopped; that Rascher has gone back to Schongau. That was the time when I went back to Berlin and later, when the experiments were actually carried out, Rasche... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,983,150 | 1,983,650 |
said the experiments began on February 22 or February 23, was that the time when you saw the experimental subjects for the first time? AYes. On that day I went out to Dachau for the first time together with Rascher, and met the experimental subjects for the first time. QAbout how many were there? AThere were 10 or 12. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,983,600 | 1,984,100 |
also inquried why they had volunteered, not because of any distrust of the camp authorities, but just for that reason. AI didn't only believe that, but they were. They told me so themselves. QHow do you know that so definitely for each case? AIn the course of time, not on the first day but in the course of time I talke... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,984,050 | 1,984,550 |
have a sentence saying that during the experiments for rescue from high altitude there had been no deaths and that there had been no damage to health, is that correct? A.Yes, that is correct that that sentence is in the report, and it is also true that there was no death or other damage. Q.But here in the testimony of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,984,500 | 1,985,000 |
and he had attempted to work with Kottenhoff but the work had been interrupted when the latter was sent away. I said that had nothing to do with our experiments and was quite unimportant and uninteresting from our point of view. He admitted that he said it was a specific question which especially interested him persona... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,984,950 | 1,985,450 |
same time, which was on behalf of Luftgau 7. I, myself, had work of my own in the DVL, which my associates were carrying on and which I inquired about when I happened to be in Berlin. That Himmler, as Reichsfuehrer SS and chief of the German Police and as Rascher's boss insofar as he was an SS member, had the right to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,985,400 | 1,985,900 |
they had to do, what they had to write, what they had to pay especial attention to, and then when they registered the electrocardiogram that in order not to interfere with this they had to be still, couldn't move; and then when the experiment had started I directed the experiment myself, I watched the altitude of the m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,985,850 | 1,986,350 |
field of work, I certainly would have gone to watch the autopsy. One must learn from the findings, that is one's duty as a doctor. One has to look at such things so that one can draw one's conclusions and be able to avoid later accidents. Q Did you see any further autopsies of Rascher? ANo. QWhy not? AAfter this death ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,986,300 | 1,986,800 |
me that the death should not be allowed to occur in high altitude experiments and never had occurred before, but since Rascher carried out these experiments for Himmler on a man who was condemned to death, we saw no way to prevent Rascher after we gave the report officially. What Rascher said in general when objections... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,986,750 | 1,987,250 |
alone; and he would doubtless also have continued his own experiments. That was the reason why I reluctantly went back to Dachau. QNow, what was the purpose of your trip to Berlin? AThe purpose was this report to Ruff. QWas that the only purpose? AYes. QHow did you explain this trip to Rascher? AI told Rascher that I w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,987,200 | 1,987,700 |
he always refused to accept; but after the third death when I started to object again, he said first that Himmler had ordered it and I wasn't to interfere. When I later brought the subject up once more, he lost his patience, and we got rather excited. I asked him why he was carrying out these experiments; what he wante... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,987,650 | 1,988,150 |
Dachau he said he had also registered electrocardiograms when there were executions by shooting. If he had really compiled all this material and had evaluated this material together with heart specialists, it was, of course, quite valuable. Q.Are you of the opinion that the experiments which Rascher performed were perf... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,988,100 | 1,988,600 |
station I had to cross out this statement and the interrogater said that didn't make any difference, that there were documents to prove this fact. It seems to me that it is proven that no Russians or Poles were used in the high altitude experiments, but only in October 1943 during the could experiments after the Holzlo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,988,550 | 1,989,050 |
I went to see Rascher immediately and asked him what was going on and asked him who this subject was and told him Neff knew the man who was a tailor and know something was wrong. Rascher questioned the SS man who had brought the tailor and it was actually discovered that the tailor was neither condemned to death nor ha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,989,000 | 1,989,500 |
Tribunal tho incident with the tailor. Do you know whether something actually happened in that case to tho effect that the SS man who had brought tho tailor along was hold to account? A.Yes, at any rate ho was removed from tho camp. Rascher told me that ho was transferred, and Neff also stated here that he was removed.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,989,450 | 1,989,950 |
the American Troops all incriminating material about tho SS there and told about the invalid action. Furthermore, this shows that ho found bis place within the ranks of the victims of Fascism. Many of his exaggerated and incorrect testimonies can be explained by the testimonies which may incriminate himself too. Q. Wha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,989,900 | 1,990,400 |
that Rascher was producing cyancali tablets which were to be swallowed by the inmates. Some of the people had died under severe pain. At the end he says "Among our comrades we said, by way of figure of speech, and I quote, they are producing a drug which would kill us very quickly as soon as something happens." AWell, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,990,350 | 1,990,850 |
part of them, they wore green badges and were thereby designated as criminals. There were, however, a few red. ones among them who had been sentenced because of high treason or such similar offenses. QThe witness Neff, who testified here, was also heard in the Milch trial which was running simultaneously to this one. D... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,990,800 | 1,991,300 |
about these experiments, as a result of Himmler' order. Only by fulfilling these two demands which were made by Himmler was he in a position to influence Rascher to agree to tho temporary removal of that chamber. I explained to him that there would be little sense in getting a permission for the chamber to be retained ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,991,250 | 1,991,750 |
I stayed there a few days after Easter. I know that I was in Berlin on the 1st and 2nd of May, and I also know that I stayed in Berlin for sometime because then the barometer was repaired. I also know that Whitsun occurred on the 24th of May and I know that in tho week before Witsun I had already loft. That was on a Tu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,991,700 | 1,992,200 |
They were detailed to us by tho Medical Inspectorate who knew the situation and who didn't detail them to us directly, but to tho air school at Adlershof, or to some air force institution there for the purpose of actually working with us. Q.Therefore, you are of tho opinion that any detailing of air force physicians wa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,992,150 | 1,992,650 |
were many reports about cases of death. In addition, I would never have been irresponsible enough to introduce a research report, which was to be the rescue basis for our future flights and experiments and which was to influence the air-force, in which I concealed such a decisive point as this would have had the most s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,992,600 | 1,993,100 |
they can be found in the report here. Himmler was rather satisfied and said we should report to the Reich Marshal too. He said that he had been with Goering for one week and they had reached a good understanding. He then pointed to the gold flying badge with diamonds which he had just been given by Goering. I had notic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,993,050 | 1,993,550 |
certainly not with words, but the silence which occurred meant much more than "words could have meant. Later Rascher gave me a severe reprimand and he asked me if I was entirely mad. He thought I was made to contradict the "Reichs Heini" as he expressed himself in that manner. Q.Did Wuest's remarks to Sievers refer to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,993,500 | 1,994,000 |
losses in the East and about the total war effort were in such strong contradiction to what I had read in the press, that I would perhaps even have participated in the cold experiments as they were performed by Rascher and the carelessness he had shown toward human life. For that reason, when Himmler asked me to partic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,993,950 | 1,994,450 |
speaking of a film shown in the Reich Aviation Ministry, and you no doubt wrote a brief report on it. That is document book No. 2 of the Prosecution,NO 224, Exhibit 76; when was this film shown? A.I know the date only from this report which I wrote and which is in the document book. I know from that it was on the 11th ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,994,400 | 1,994,900 |
picture. I know that because in the film which was taken in the experiments there was a clock in the background and instruments in the foreground. That was necessary in order to be able to use the film later. It was possible only as the time and altitude were always registered on the film. Also Rascher had put mounter ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,994,850 | 1,995,350 |
the film, that is, as far as we know. It may well be that the same type pictures appear on the film; but the prosecution has not seen the film that was shown at the RLM and does not have the film that was shown at all. The first four pictures in Document Book II have been properly identified by no less than defendant R... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,995,300 | 1,995,800 |
second question, whether I knew that any deaths had occurred, one must make a strict distinction between my personal judgment and that which was clear to the general public. Besides, one must not over-estimate the attention attracted by such a meeting. I did not approve of Rascher and his experiments personally. I had ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,995,750 | 1,996,250 |
the question of parachute jumping, as the more important question; and the second thing was the question of the simultaneous effect of lack of oxygen and cold while remaining at high altitudes. These were experiments on ourselves, together with the associates. As Ruff has already said, we wore light clothing and wont d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,996,200 | 1,996,700 |
extraordinarily cautious and conscientious adviser. He always paid special attention to all security installations and precautions. Nearly all the people working there confidently asked his advise when dangerous or us yet unknown experimental conditions had to be tested. He always undertook the training of now assistan... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,996,650 | 1,997,150 |
marry my fiancee, who, according to the regulations in force at tho time, was of mixed descent Grade II, Dr. Romberg showed his political views by advising me to wait patiently as this regime could not last muck longer and then I should be able to marry. After the collapse in 1945 I married my fiancee. "If Dr. Romberg ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,997,100 | 1,997,600 |
give him advice as is customary among two scientists working together in the same field. And so I was able to arrange for our experimental subjects that I considered necessary and the ordinary performance of the experiments and insist how often they came or that their food should be good, etc. Now, if Rascher in experi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,997,550 | 1,998,050 |
that I reported the incidents to my boss who passed the information on, was dangerous. One probably understands enough about conditions under Himmler to realize that. The witness Neff has described my attitude to Rascher's experiments. He confirmed that I intervened in one case when he was present. Perhaps he knows not... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,998,000 | 1,998,500 |
given definite emphasis. I learned from a telephone call from Sievers, which he mentioned in his testimony, that he was to buy a low pressure chamber for Rascher on behalf of Himmler. I was greatly astonished at this telephone call at the time, because I knew very well that Rascher certainly didn't want to have this ma... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,998,450 | 1,998,950 |
is performing infections with a fatal disease -- for example, leprosy -- on a prisoner, that the assistant should, by force, prevent the scientist from carrying out this infection. Perhaps, if ho didn't do that, the man might die in knocking the hypodermic syringe out of his hand. I could imagine that some assistant mi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,998,900 | 1,999,400 |
present in court. THE MARSHAL:May it please your Honor, all defendants are present in the court with the exception of the Defendant Oberheuser, absent due to illness. THE PRESIDENT:The secretary-general will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the Defendant Oberheuser who is absent on a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,999,350 | 1,999,850 |
question. THE PRESIDENT:Do you intend to pursue this line any further? DR. VORWERK:No, he has answered the question. THE PRESIDENT:All right. Proceed. BY DR.VORWERK (Continuing): QWitness, in this court mention has been made that in the course of the high-altitude experiments several visits were paid by some SS officer... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,999,800 | 2,000,300 |
demonstrations. QAnother subject now, what attitude did you take after the Dachau experiments, what was your position with the DVL after the Dachau experiments? AAt first I was a scientific co-worker just as I had been before. Our department for aviation medicine was expanded gradually and became an institute, and in 1... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,000,250 | 2,000,750 |
is also a plan with a rocket drive and thus independent of altitude. It is characteristic that in these new planes, just as at that time with our Me 163 great hopes are set in the beginning for future accomplishments. The speed of up to 1,700 miles is mentioned and the pressure cabin, which is equiped and is built for ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,000,700 | 2,001,200 |
Dachau? ANo, at least not in my presence. QDid Rascher have any other conferences with Himmler apart from the one where you were present? AYes, on the next morning, Rascher talked to him again. I was not present. QDo you know what problems or orders Rascher wanted Himmler to give him in the field of high altitude resea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,001,150 | 2,001,650 |
the way of conversations. I didn't have direct official relations with Dr. Schroeder but he was on official business when he visited our institute, and I met Professor Weltz in 1942. Q.Which of the experiments discussed here were known to you when you were arrested? A.When I was arrested the high altitude experiments, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,001,600 | 2,002,100 |
attitude to advance to the objective verdict that a certain scientist was a criminal, that was a great and decisive step, and so I signed the report together with Rascher. Ruff did not have any misgivings either against countersigning this scientifically correct report and making the results available for further devel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,002,050 | 2,002,550 |
distribution list itself when it was finally approved by the Aviation Ministry and I want to say that if the report was sent to the Aviation Ministry then it was certainly sent to the Department for Aviation Medicine and the expert of this depart ment would certainly have learned about it. I said especially that Dr. An... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,002,500 | 2,003,000 |
Weltz, Chief of the Institute for Aviation Medicine in Munich. This was in December 1941 or January 1942. Dr. Weltz advised Ruff that Dr. Sigmund Rascher, a doctor in the Luftwaffe and also a member of the SS, was to perform the high altitude experiments. Weltz wanted an expert to work with Rascher on these experiments... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,002,950 | 2,003,450 |
did Dr. Rascher ever tell you that he and Dr. Weltz differed very considerably in certain points? A. Yes, he talked about that repeatedly. Q. Can you give us more details of these differences? Were they concerned with the facts perhaps that Prof. Weltz, wished to supervise Dr. Rascher, who at that time, was still a mem... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,003,400 | 2,003,900 |
you and Weltz saw each other for the last time before the actual experiments really started. That is correct, is it not? A. Yes. Q. Do you know anything about the fact whether or not Prof. Weltz received any reports on the carrying out of the experiments? A. He did not receive any from me. As far as I know he did not r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,003,850 | 2,004,350 |
operations? A.Yes, in the Camp Esterwegen, where I was last, there was a Dr. -- Dr. Meyer. He told me, when I asked him why he was interned that he was charged with performing sterilization operations in Holland. Q.Did he also tell you when these operations were carried out? In what year? A.I am not sure of the year. I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,004,300 | 2,004,800 |
What his functions were? A.Yes, Rascher had told me that on the train on the way and when we met Professor Wuest. Rascher told me afterwards that Wuest was, I believe he said, the curator of the Ahnenerbe and Rector of the University of Munich, and that he was the superior of Sievers in the Ahnenerbe. Q.Then you said t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,004,750 | 2,005,250 |
discussion. QAt least, not while you were present still because you said before that there was another conference on the next day? AYes, that's right. QNow, my final question, Dr. Romberg, would you please take up once again your document book concerning high altitude experiments and, in particular, your affidavit whic... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,005,200 | 2,005,700 |
not in active duty with either the Luftwaffe or some other branch of the Wehrmacht? A.Yes, I was declared essential for that agency, the DVL, so that I could serve in the DVL during the war. Q.Well now, you have expressed here in the course of your direct examination by virtue of some affidavits which you have introduc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,005,650 | 2,006,150 |
Ruff, and yourself took part - the purpose of these experiments? A.Well, the purpose was also discussed although it had already been established before that on the basis of the decision and we went to Munich in the first place to carry out these experiments. Q.Well now, in this preliminary meeting what was the point wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,006,100 | 2,006,600 |
that they had gone only to 12,000 meters because he knows very well that we had conducted experiments at higher altitudes at the Institute and that he had participated in them. I don't remember what his precise words were, though. You never know ahead of time how dangerous such experiments are going to be. That was the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,006,550 | 2,007,050 |
on the birth of my second son. This time, too, it is a strong boy, though he has come 3 weeks too early. I will permit myself to send you a picture of both children at the opportune moment." "For the time being I have been assigned to the--" THE INTERPRETER:At this point the texts deviate from one another. MR. HARDY:We... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,007,000 | 2,007,500 |
that point, Dr. Romberg; Now, after Dr. Rascher has exhibited the Himmler letter to you which indicated subjects to be used, must be criminals, and that they must volunteer. Did you after that time positively establish that each subject used was a volunteer? AYou mean later, when the experiments were actually carried o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,007,450 | 2,007,950 |
Q.Well now, can you give us the names of any of the others? It shouldn't be too difficult. I think I could remember the names of ton or fifteen men I worked with for such a time as that, on such an important problem. A.There was a man named Sobotta. Q.Spell that, please. A. SO B O TT Q.Can you give us any further infor... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,007,900 | 2,008,400 |
the documents here that Sobotta was released, and I know that he had theretofore been promised that he would be pardoned and that Himmler had personnally verified this when he paid his visit there. Then Himler, when the report was made at the conclusion of the experiments, said it again, and Rascher also said that they... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,008,350 | 2,008,850 |
of these experimental subjects, wasn't it? Hasn't he the block elder? A.Neff was the block elder for this group, yes. Q.Well now, he was in a position to know more about those experimental subjects than you, wasn't he? He perhaps had a card index file on them. A.No, I don't believe he had a card index file. Q.Well, he ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,008,800 | 2,009,300 |
few days, but I think he said during the first few weeks. Q.He also said that these volunteers were political prisoners, didn't he? A.Neff said here that all sorts of people were there - all classes or strata that you can imagine. Q.Well now, when you made your plea or Rascher made his plea to secure the volunteers for... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,009,250 | 2,009,750 |
of heart and later withdraw that promise, or what happened? A.He didn't take anything back, at least I didn't know it if he did, but of course, I can't check whether or not he kept his promise. I can't force a man like Himmler to keep his word, more over at that time I had no reason to believe that this was a promise t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,009,700 | 2,010,200 |
couldn't you as well call in the political prisoners and have said, "Gentlemen, we have an experimental program here", and explain to them how harmless the experiment is, and "if you will undergo the experiment we will give you one more loaf of bread than you are getting or one more piece of sausage a day, "which givin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,010,150 | 2,010,650 |
attitude Heinreich Himmler had as to pardoning concentration camp inmates who had been condemned to death; he doesn't even mention habitual criminals who have not been condemned to death, that is his attitude. I think it is exemplary, isn't it? A.I don't knew just what the general procedure was with pardons in such cas... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,010,600 | 2,011,100 |
used to call these men by name and make sure, one would not have twenty times in the chamber and the other five; you wanted them to file in evenly, yet you can remember only four names of such an important project. AThat was five years ago and I carried out so many experiments during that time at Dachau and was in the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,011,050 | 2,011,550 |
man is condemned to death, he goes back to his cell nd finds a letter saying that if he volunteers for an experiment that is dangerous to life, he will be pardonned. You don't have to issue an order for him to do this, He is perfectly free to accept his death sentence or to go through the experiment. This is, of course... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,011,500 | 2,012,000 |
to, they are in a situation, where by fate they are under coercion. Fate has placed them in this situation, and it is one which the doctor is more familiar with, because again and again comes upon such patients. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel, we will suspend the examination at this time for a moment. The Tribunal would like to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,011,950 | 2,012,450 |
correct. MR. HARDY:It is surprising to me that this was not noticed as this document was placed in its entirety into the record. THE PRESIDENT:This is a peculiar circumstance, the Tribunal is confronted with. I will return the German document and original photostat and counsel will make an investigation of the result. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,012,400 | 2,012,900 |
I have here another mimeographed German copy, two copies of it, that contain it in the same manner as this here, that I just received that I can give the defense counsel for their use. I will have other mimeographed copies of the German cut and deliver it to them later. I want to pass this up. TEE PRESIDENT:Have you a ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,012,850 | 2,013,350 |
as the original document and he now wants to submit to as a document for cross examination. MR. HARDY:It is immaterial the manner in which I do it, Your Honor. I don't think the objection here has any basis. THE PRESIDENT:Well, counsel, the Tribunal now has before it a good clear photostat of the entire document in Ger... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,013,300 | 2,013,800 |
to the portion of the document which he desires. I can see no reason for an objection. It will do no harm to the defendant. You see that this document will be furnished in a completed form to the defense counsel as soon as possible. MR. HARDY:In order to do that I request of the Secretary General that the Prosecution b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,013,750 | 2,014,250 |
the fighter planes presently in use mentioned here. Q.Now, Dr. Ruff, states that Dr. Weltz and all of these people arrived at that conclusion, they wished to experiment on the Dachau concentration camp inmates early in 1941. Now isn't this the beginning? A.That they wanted such experiments in 1941? No, nothing was said... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,014,200 | 2,014,700 |
Himmler stating they must have volunteers, isn't that it? A.I do not see that. I stated there was a letter from Himmler. Q.We don't have it here. I just assume if there was such a letter we would have it here. We have most of them talking about selecting and setting aside experimental subjects, and Himmler then in that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,014,650 | 2,015,150 |
on the 22nd day of February? A.No, I just remembered that and here when Neff in his examination told about this, that we watched is birthday table, then I remembered that faot, and also I know I must have been there on that day and the next day because I can remember the birthday table. QWell didn't you make an attempt... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,015,100 | 2,015,600 |
on. On February 22, 1942, the experiments began; is that correct? A.I can't tell you exactly whether any experiments were performed or not. That was a Sunday. Probably we didn't do any work on that day, but we broke off the experiments immediately, and postponed them until the beginning of March. Q.Until the beginning ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,015,550 | 2,016,050 |
back with the repaired barometer. Q.How long did it take to secure the barometer? About two weeks? A.Of course, I don't know exactly. I don't think it took quite two weeks. It wouldn't have taken that long. Q.Well, we will say it took about a week. That will bring us up to the 7th of May, wouldn't it? Then the two deat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,016,000 | 2,016,500 |
still going on in the month of June, isn't that right? A.Yes, He even said that they lasted till the beginning of July. Q.That's right. Well now, here we have a strange thing. Defendant Ruff Document Book, this is Exhibit 10, Document No. 6, in the Document Book Ruff No. 1, which is the affidavit of Dr. Max Matthes. On... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,016,450 | 2,016,950 |
condition. Now, let's make up our minds, Doctor. A.I don't have to make up my mind. The pumps which Matthes picked up in Cologne -- I don't even know whether they were for this low pressure chamber or whether they were needed for one of the other mobile low pressure chamber which were also in operation. This work book ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,016,900 | 2,017,400 |
of the task is not considered pressing at this time. "The low-pressure chamber will not be needed for these low-temperature experiments. It is urgently needed at another place and therefore can no longer remain in Dachau. "I convey the special thanks.....etc." Signed "Milch". Now, here on the 20th of May, "Milch is jus... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,017,350 | 2,017,850 |
to continue working until further notice for the purposes of Reichsfuehrer-SS." Now, according to this letter -- not according to your opinion, but according to this letter, the chamber is still at Dachau, isn't it? A.No, I don't see that. The letter is nothing but...... Q.Well, we'll let the Tribunal decide. Tell me..... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,017,800 | 2,018,300 |
and you had to finish them up before you could finish the report. There are two ways of interpreting that, Doctor. Now, tell me, Doctor Romberg, after the chamber finally did get back to Berlin and the experiments were concluded -- whether it be the time you state or the time that is borne out by the documents and the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,018,250 | 2,018,750 |
title of your official report said: "Rescue from High Altitudes." And that you merely took poeple up end down, quickly, up by explosive decompression, and down by free fall, or parachute and that you were not interested in anything else. Is that right? That was your primary interest - in simple language. A.That was our... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,018,700 | 2,019,200 |
that I am not trying to indicate that you and Ruff made Rascher do this, or made Rascher kill people, but you let him do it, and you were very glad to have the answer to your riddle. You state in your paper that neither you nor Ruff after the murder saw to it that Rascher was indicted far murder, did you? You needed th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,019,150 | 2,019,650 |
merely concerned itself with rapid ascent and immediate descent. Now, that was already withdrawn by Ruff when he was on the stand when I confronted him with this part of the report, the selfexperiment which you and Rascher had performed because you and Rascher had stayed up forty minutes -- I think you stayed up forty ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,019,600 | 2,020,100 |
mean when you say here; "It appeared often as though the phenomena of pressure drop sickness (aeroembolism) had combined with the results of severe oxygen lack?" Now, doctor, isn't it that you simply in this report did not want to mention the others, because they had died, since you and Rascher never interrupted an exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,020,050 | 2,020,550 |
sentence, Your Honor, - where you state there and I quotes "so that the idea of a combination of pressure drop phenomena with the phenomena of oxygen lack is definitely suggested." Now, you had not other clues to pressure drop sickness, than Rascher's air bubbles which he had shown to you during an autopsy, had you. A.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,020,500 | 2,021,000 |
only reason for those symptoms. On the other hand it was noteworthy that in these experiments there was paralysis and interference with sight after these five seconds of lack of oxygen. It was a unique condition; First there were for complaints and then 5 seconds of lack of oxygen and then suddenly these serious interr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,020,950 | 2,021,450 |
are mentioned in the interim reports in that direction. Besides Rascher did not inform me of there result of his own work. QHe didn't have to inform you -- you stood there and watched it. He didn't have to inform you at all? AYes, I watched one autopsy. That was my duty. QSure, that certainly was. Now Ruff has admitted... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,021,400 | 2,021,900 |
it wasn't like that. QThen how did you differentiate between the Luftwaffe experiments and the SS experiments? AI know what experiments I performed myself. QYes, but you were collaborators, weren't you? You were ordered by Ruff to go down there and collaborate with Rascher, weren't you? AYes, for these experiments for ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,021,850 | 2,022,350 |
experiment and I saw the electro-cardiogram, and when I saw a critical point was being reached where I myself would have stopped the experiment, I said to Rascher. Q.Well what did it require at that particular point to stop the experiment? Suppose you were operating the controls that Rascher had in front of him or the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,022,300 | 2,022,800 |
in this sphere. I have already said that I myself, if this wore my own experiments, would have stopped. Q.Well now for the first time I have hoard it - it doesn't appear in your affidavit and it never appeared in your interrogations before this but here for the first time in your direct examination you testified that y... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,022,750 | 2,023,250 |
you could have discussed the problem with him intelligently with words. And if you couldn't have gotten further with words, then you could have walked out and gone back to Berlin, and let him do it as he wished. Now, you were in a position to reach over and turn that wheel, weren't you, weren't you? ANo, since I said t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,023,200 | 2,023,700 |
therefore we did not wear a uni form. QWell, you were doing work for the Luftwaffe? AIn part we worked for the Luftwaffe, too. But we also worked for industry. QSo then you reported this death and all these deaths, as a matter of fact--but you reported this first death to Ruff immediately, didn't you? AYes. QWhat did h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,023,650 | 2,024,150 |
again. It certainly was an active way to stop Rascher's work--wasn't it? AI believe if it was compared with what Rascher intended to do-as the documents say; what I read this morning--it was a very effective method. QIt certainly was. Well now, doctor, you then still had--after you even cleared out of Dachau entirely, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,024,100 | 2,024,600 |
War Merit Cross Second Class was awarded. Q.And the documents which show that Rascher recommended you to Himmler for that medal, as I recall? A.Yes, I have seen that in the documents too. MR. HARDY:I have one more question, Your Honor. It will only take me a few minutes and I will be through. THE PRESIDENT:Proceed. Q. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 2,024,550 | 2,025,050 |
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