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SS women using Clauberg's as well as other physicians' methods who had a good reputation in the Reich. QAnd you never heard that Clauberg was using concentration camp inmates to experiment so as to find a better method for sterilization? ANo, and if I heard that; even if he had worked in a concentration camp, I could o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,665,000 | 1,665,500 |
attached? A.They are the same physicians, but it is not the annex to that document. I note it bears the designation "secret" or "top secret." I know nothing about that. It cannot possibly be the annex to that letter, but I am sure they are the same physicians. It says here "Treatment of Sterility", not the bringing abo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,665,450 | 1,665,950 |
they? A.I already said that I assume that this letter of Grawitz dated the 30 May was either still enroute, which is quite probable considering the short difference of time, or that this letter had been lost. At any rate I must assume that this letter was not available and the Reich Fuehrer wanted these names; thereupo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,665,900 | 1,666,400 |
is that true? A.Both letters were written by Grawitz's secretary and were entered by her in the daily diary. I conclude from that it must have been as I described it before, the first letter of Grawitz must have been lost, and that a telephone conversation followed and that list had to be gotten once more. The names we... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,666,350 | 1,666,850 |
subjects that might be a typographical error for IV. THE WITNESS:That is obviously a mistake, to mean IV-98-41. JUDGE SEBRING:Very well. Resume. MR. HARDY:While we are on this, doctor, documents you now have in your hands-- what's the file index number? Would you read it off, please? A IV-98-41. QNow, would you read th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,666,800 | 1,667,300 |
appear to be marked "secret". MR. HARDY:I may have to clarify that for you. That's a rubber stamp on the original document, and it's the personal stamp of the Reichsfuehrer SS; file number 'secret' refers to Rudolf's office and a rubber stamp put on by Rudolf Brandt's office and a rubber stamp put on by Rudolf Brandt's... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,667,250 | 1,667,750 |
yesterday that I vaguely remembered that I tried to transmit Grawitz' desire for experiments with animals to Von Kennel. In addition there was something in connection with a secretary for Von Kennel perhaps. Ding perhaps performed animals experiments for Von Kennel, I cannot tell you in detail. QWell, you never went to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,667,700 | 1,668,200 |
that the Typhus Research Dept. Buchenwald should experiment with the "Diaminodiphonylsulphone" according to VonKennel and Kimmig on typhus cases in order to determine its effectiveness and computability. There are enclosed more detailed data are the above remedy and it is requested that they be further transmitted to S... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,668,150 | 1,668,650 |
probably, cyanosis will occur, which may be averted by intravenous injections of 10-20 ccm of 1 percent methyl - blue solution. Heil Hitler! Signed Von Kennel" Now, then you did receive this, doctor, didn't you? AI can't tell you. I really can't remember. I don't remember having received it, at any rate the letter is a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,668,600 | 1,669,100 |
people were sent to SS hospitals, where in detail it happened I cannot say. In my opinion this was a clinical test. It was possibly done on sick SS men in some SS hospitals. QTo actually show that Dr. Ding actually received the drug I wish to introduce another document. THE PRESIDENT:The Tribunal will now be in recess.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,669,050 | 1,669,550 |
at this time for identification as Prosecution Exhibit No.478. This document is dated 21 June 1944, addressed to SS Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Scharlau, Hygiene Institute of the Waffen-SS, and Herr Ding acknowledges receipt of one small bottle of Diamindodiphonylsulfon tablets as testing quantity for the clinical stat... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,669,500 | 1,670,000 |
put my signature to it as a certification; and since this secretary had Grawitz's complete confidence I always assumed everything was in order. I knew nothing about the experiments in Ravensbruck except want I heard when it was reported. Q.This is an interim report on the clinical experiments in Ravensbruck. Were you t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,669,950 | 1,670,450 |
been that Grawitz said that I should write a letter to VonKennel, because, as a matter of fact, these matters didn't concern me at all; it was just accidental that I had anything to do with them. Q.The last document submitted to you, which was addressed to you by Prof. Dr. VonKennel, describes the production of this dr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,670,400 | 1,670,900 |
the last conference in May 1944. Q.That was the conference regarding which the prosecution submitted a list of those present; and you saw that? A.Yes. Q.In this list of participants there is a mention of SSObersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Gross. Do you remember that? There has been considerable discussion of that here. Do you ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,670,850 | 1,671,350 |
in medical questions directly to the Reich Physician toward the middle of 1939. Poppendick worked for the Race and settlement Main Office in this capacity until the outbreak of the war, when he was drafted into the army-and, as far as I remember, later as well. "I saw Poppendick frequently during this time and I had th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,671,300 | 1,671,800 |
officer in the health service, and I had frequently to make reports to him. On these occasions, I had the opportunity to obtain some insight in the workings of his office. "The appointment with Grawitz was made by telephone through his receptionist, Fraeulein Sommerfeld. It was from Poppendick, whom I had telephoned se... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,671,750 | 1,672,250 |
to this Document as being irregular, inasmuch as defense counsel had ample time to examine the witness Rudolf Brandt when he was on the witness stand. DR. BOEHM:I nevertheless ask the court to admit this Document as evidence because I wish to use it in my closing summary. THE PRESIDENT:The objection will be over-ruled ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,672,200 | 1,672,700 |
joined the Pfadfinder Bund. (Boy Scouts) Q.Did you have any leading positions in these youth organizations? A.From 1928 on, I led a working community, it was composed of members of various youth organizations. Q.How long were you so active? A.Until the Nazi Party dissolved these organizations in 1933. Q.Was your activi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,672,650 | 1,673,150 |
to the Tribunal but I have been promised that Document Book No. 2 will be ready by tomorrow morning. The four witnesses, whom I have named, will be available at the correct time and I assume that day after tomorrow when I am through interrogating my client, I can put them on the stand. MR. HARDY:Thank you. DR. BOEHM:I ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,673,100 | 1,673,600 |
parties. There were at that time more than thirty parties in Germany who made an effort to recruit the youth. Our efforts were directed to develop the young men's personalities, but not to make party members of them. Q.Around 1930 did you meet in the youth organizations a person who was of decisive importance in the de... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,673,550 | 1,674,050 |
secretary. I remained his secretary from November of 1932 until February 1933. QWhen did Prof. Wirth appear in the Ahnenerbe Institute? AThat was in the course of the year 1933. QAnd then in 1935 you turned to Prof. Wirth asking him to use you for himself or the Ahnenerbe? ANo, on the contrary, Prof. Wirth turned to me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,674,000 | 1,674,500 |
4. I think the prosecutor was not quite clear about that. MR. HARDY:That's what I understood; that the chart is Sievers Exhibit 4. DR. WEISGERBER:Yes. Witness, using this chart will you please describe the organization of Ahnenerbe? Start from the President and work downwards. AThe President and Chairman of theAhnenerb... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,674,450 | 1,674,950 |
Document Book Sievers I on page 3, that will become Exhibit No. 6 JUDGE SEBRING:What was counsel's Exhibit 5? DR. WEISGERBER:Exhibit 5 is Document No. 4 - Document No. 4. I think I made a mistake right now. Document No. 4 is to be found on page 5 of Document Volume I. Then I offer Document Sievers No. 3 which is found ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,674,900 | 1,675,400 |
Society Ahnenerbe. I ask the High Tribunal to take judicial notice of that document and I only consider it expedient to read paragraphs 5,6,7, and 8. "5. Directors. "The directors of the Research and Teaching Society consist of.." This can be found on page 9 of the Document Book. "1. The president who is at the same ti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,675,350 | 1,675,850 |
to assume this position as Reich Business Manager of the Ahnenerbe and you will probably agree with me that it is not easy to believe that anyone would be prepared to take into account such disadvantages and only follows a new course on account of an idea, as you said you did? AI conscientiously examined all of these d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,675,800 | 1,676,300 |
of the departments it came about that a large amount of the mail did not go through me but arrived at the departmental heads, respectively. They, in turn, when important matters came up submitted these matters to the curator Prof. Wuest. QCould you yourself order any research assignment to be carried out in the framewo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,676,250 | 1,676,750 |
method of Dr. Rascher to put Himmler into the foreground our rejecting attitude revived itself when Rascher once more appeared in 1942 at the Ahnenerbe. QI now come to your participation in the high altitude experiments of Dr. Rascher, and I shall have the Document Book Number 2 of the Prosecution shown to you. (Witnes... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,676,700 | 1,677,200 |
had to sign a statement which obliged me to keep secrecy, and furthermore, I was not to talk to the inmates regarding personal matters. It was always necessary to report to the commandant personally if at any time in the future a further visit was to take place. QIt was at the end of March 1942 when for the first time ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,677,150 | 1,677,650 |
I inquired what the reason was that they volunteered for such experiments and the reply was made that in this camp every opportunity is seized to improve one's condition. This was a new train of thought for me because up until that time I had never been in a concentration camp. QDid you report to Himmler about these tw... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,677,600 | 1,678,100 |
to attend to field headquarters, that is, to report regarding other matters I stated to him that I had been to Dachau and that I there witnessed a high-altitude experiment, and that I was personally rejecting such experiments. QAnd how did Himmler re-act to this statement? AHimmler spoke to me and gave me some long exp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,678,050 | 1,678,550 |
will be order in the court room. THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Marshal, will you ascertain that the defendants are all present in court? THE MARSHAL:May it please your Honor, all the defendants are present in the court with the exception of the Defendant Oberheuser, absent due to illness. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary-General will n... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,678,500 | 1,679,000 |
to his animal experiments, would make a few practical experiments on human beings. Himmler, who originally wanted Hirt to report to him personally but Hirt was ill-asked me to relieve Hirt of all his work, which would keep him away from his real research activity. In this manner I came into contact with Hirt regarding ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,678,950 | 1,679,450 |
75, on page 123 of the German text, and page 127 of the English text. This is a letter by you to the Personal Staff of the Reichs Fuehrer SS, dated the 21st October 1942. In passage 2 you write there that the high altitude experiments would have to be continued and that therefore the low pressure chamber was again requ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,679,400 | 1,679,900 |
when these experiments had already been concluded. You yourself state that you did not read that secret report. You admit, however, the possibility of having road the final sentence. You wrote two other letters, tho subject of which was the new furnishing of a low pressure chamber, and in large outline this is all you ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,679,850 | 1,680,350 |
to be transmitted to me, and for that reason I received the copy of that letter for my information. Q.Now, would you be good enough to turn over one page, and you will there find Dr. Rascher's letter dated 3 October 1942. This letter is obviously directed to Dr. Rudolf Brandt. It becomes evident from that letter, and I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,680,300 | 1,680,800 |
of that. He said that he would have to die anyway for he was an old criminal, he was a criminal because he couldn't be anything else, and that he therefore deserved death. Q.Did you convince yourself of that by asking the experimental subject whether he was actually a volunteer? A.After Hirt's questioning I personally ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,680,750 | 1,681,250 |
the Waffen-SS on your own initiative nor did you deter it. A.I was not interested in it at all and only on the basis of this insistence which was displayed by these two parties I wrote a letter. Q.Now, would you please be good enough to turn to Page 86 of the document volume which is before you? This is a report about ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,681,200 | 1,681,700 |
on that matter and Himmler was rather indignant, but, at any rate, I couldn't create a house by myself. Himmler subsequently ordered that preparations be made that these experiments could at least be carried out in the next winter. I think I made a mistake, I think it must have been the winter of 1943 to 1944. I'm sure... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,681,650 | 1,682,150 |
experiments of Dr. Schilling? A.That was at the beginning of 1942. Himmler then briefly mentioned that a certain Professor Schilling was carrying out malaria research work at Dachau. At that time nothing became known to me about the manner in which he was conducting his work. Q.Did you, in the subsequent period, establ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,682,100 | 1,682,600 |
I returned from Munich. The fact that the name Schilling is misprinted here as Schilling indicates that the name Schilling was completely unknown to me at that time and, furthermore, the witness Vieweg has here testified that Schilling was only concerned with experiments of malaria terziana - was not malaria tropica. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,682,550 | 1,683,050 |
and who also later repeatedly expressed his annoyance about the fact that Himmler had in any way connected the "Ahnenerbe" with concentration camps." Then follows the certification. Witness, now in order to establish your activity in connection with the malaria experiments the Prosecution relies on a number of entries ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,683,000 | 1,683,500 |
with Professor Schilling. Did this conference have anything to do with malaria experiments? A.That must have been 1944. Q.It is quite possible, yes; it must have been 1944. Now, why don't you turn to the diary of 1944? A.Yes, 31st of May 1944. Q.Did this conference have anything to do with malaria experiments? A.No, it... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,683,450 | 1,683,950 |
diaries? Were these diaries kept particularly accurately, and are all the entries in this diary in strict accordance with the facts? A.Owing to my frequent absence from my agency I often could only dictate these entries after days or sometimes even weeks. These entries in many cases are often not in accordance with the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,683,900 | 1,684,400 |
only arrived at this relatively small percentage; is this percentage correct with reference to the counts which are charged here under the indictment as regard to your entire work? AThat is absolutely true; this work was so much on the border line of my entire activities as it is very instructively described by your co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,684,350 | 1,684,850 |
this? AHimmler recognized Ploetner's standpoint and I supported it. It was finally achieved that the Ahnenerbe should no longer be included in research assignments which involved human experiments. That was then exclusively a matter for Grawitz. QNow in the document book which you have before you please look at Documen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,684,800 | 1,685,300 |
only later of what had proceeded this report.At Easter, 1942, when Himmler gave detailed instructions for the execution Himmler said that the race office Rassenamt had given him such an assignment already in 1941. QDid your office chief, Professor Wuest, talk to you or Himmler about setting up a Jewish Boshevist skull ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,685,250 | 1,685,750 |
Hirt a member of the Ahnenerbe? A.No, he was not at that time. Himmler appointed him at the end of 1942 or the beginning of 1943. Q.Then you mean to say the point of departure for this preliminary report was not due to you or some other office of the Ahnenerbe but lay in the relations between Hirt and Himmler? A.Yes. Q... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,685,700 | 1,686,200 |
When did you make this visit? A.As far as I can remember that was in the summer of 1942. Q.Now, I could imagine that a request for you to visit Hirt might lead to the conclusion that you were to deal with the scientific part of Dr. Hirt's work. Now you told us yesterday that your work as Reich Business manager was limi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,686,150 | 1,686,650 |
we have here as Exhibit 181, did you dictate it yourself? A.No. I did not dictate it as the initial "S-2" indicates. Since I was never in Auschwitz and knew nothing about Behger's investigations, only Behger could give the necessary information; and Behger was in direct contact with Hirt and received instructions from ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,686,600 | 1,687,100 |
Sievers -- that is, you) thinks that this procedure was the best one considering the whole situation." Was this your personal opinion? ANo, I said - I think I merely passed on Hirt's statements to Berg without any comment. QYou have DocumentNO-483before you. That is the next Document, page 17, Exhibit 184. You recall t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,687,050 | 1,687,550 |
Salzburg was attached to the Ahnenerbe. That is a big museum for natural history and still exists today, and a procedure had been suggested by the head of this museum which made it possible to preserve all plants, even the most delicate ones, so permanently that both the form and the color were preserved. QAnd you told... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,687,500 | 1,688,000 |
none of our business at all. Himmler became quite excited. I asked him for a written order, because they were quite new things. That irritated Himmler, but finally I did get it. QDo you mean by this order Document No. 422, which is Exhibit No. 33 in Document Book 1, page 52 -- page 52, Document 422, Exhibit 33: "From t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,687,950 | 1,688,450 |
knew about it? AYes. QDid you consider this Commissar order legally admissable? AI am not a lawyer; I can not judge the admissability of such orders. I was a soldier at that time, a private, I had no commission, when I asked for the order in writing from Himmler, Himmler said as a soldier you have to carry out every or... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,688,400 | 1,688,900 |
him by Hirt if he had to obey this order for joining the army. Professor Wuest thereupon ordered me to effect a delaying action regarding this draft; that, in effect, happened. Q.Under the date of the 16th of June 1943, which is to be found on page 166 of the English document book No. 3, there is a report of Dr. Bega a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,688,850 | 1,689,350 |
have to attack problems wherever they had cropped up. He said that these persons who had been condemned to death would give them such opportunity, and that to him it appeared to be ridiculous to merely execute them or burn them instead of handing them over to his anatomical institution as it would ordinarily be done wi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,689,300 | 1,689,800 |
diary of 1944 and page 170 of the English Document Book No. 3, and if you refer to the date of the 3rd of March 1944, you will find the following entry, and I quote: "Generalarzt Professor Dr. Schreiber was telephoned on hepatitis research." End of quotation. The prosecution takes this entry as evidence that you were c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,689,750 | 1,690,250 |
Rascher received your approval for the publication of an essay in the Munich Weekly Medical Periodical, During the course of your testimony you have stated that you had nothing whatsoever to do with the scientific part of the experiments. Isn't this document contradictory to your statement? A.No. We are here concerned ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,690,200 | 1,690,700 |
to assure them a more tolerable life outside the concentration camp of Dachau. Q.In view of the general war situation and the advance of the Allied Armies did you consider such a transfer to be expedient? A.I asked for this transfer and I thought it was expedient in the interest of the inmates. From the point of view o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,690,650 | 1,691,150 |
in Dachau, by order of Himmler, which had as its result the quick coagulation of blood. He said that it was very important for fighting units because it prevents their bleeding to death. The experiments in Dachau, during which one inmate was shot at, have proven these results." Did you tell Pohl anything, to that effec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,691,100 | 1,691,600 |
this connection I offer Document Sievers No. 10 as Exhibit Sievers No. 8. I beg your pardon, Exhibit No. 9. This is an affidavit of Oswald Pohl on page 21 of Document Book Sievers I. I read the essential points to be found on page one of this document, and I quote: "1. My affidavit of 23 July 1946 concerning medical ex... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,691,550 | 1,692,050 |
AThis morning I already stated in detail what the subject of my conference with Himmler at East 1942 was. Four days after this I transmitted the directives to Hirt as I received them from Himmler. QDid you yourself consider the Lost experiments as being dangerous? AThat Lost experiment must entail a certain amount of d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,692,000 | 1,692,500 |
you learn anything about volunteering of experimental subjects? AYes. I asked several of the persons who were introduced to me by Wimmer. I was told that after a lecture which was given by Prof. Dr. Hirt they had volunteered for this experiment, and I had already learned that from Prof. Hirt. After the conclusion of th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,692,450 | 1,692,950 |
completely devoted to science. QIn your diary 1944 there appears on the 8th of March a report of Hirt to Himmler in Salzburg. Were you present? AYes, I was present.Also my office chief Wuest. QWas the course of human experiments and any deaths which had occurred discussed? AThere was no mention of death in this report.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,692,900 | 1,693,400 |
AThe reason for this discussion was the assignment of a building site for the entomological institute. I had just come from Strassbourg, and I reported to my office chief about the talks I had there with Professor Hirt, the main subject of which was the expansion of the animal brooding at Natzweiler. As I said before, ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,693,350 | 1,693,850 |
evening and I shall submit this Document later. Witness, the Prosecution has charged you with experiments with the so-called N-substance; in your diary under the date of 23 October 1944, there was recorded a discussion at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for physical chemistry; the notation reads: "Discussion concerning sp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,693,800 | 1,694,300 |
through Pohl as Lolling's main office chief and to be sent on to Lolling, who was the doctor in charge of all concentration camps and the letter was passed on on September 30th. Q.Did Haagen or Hirt tell you about the vaccinations, which they intended to carry out? A.No, I merely considered from the application that it... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,694,250 | 1,694,750 |
letter, did you have anything to do with typhus vaccination in any form? A.No. I passed on Himmler's decision to Hirt. Q.And that was all? A.Yes, that was all. Q.In this connection I discuss briefly your work in the Reich Research Council. I consider it necessary to ask a few questions to clarify briefly your position ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,694,700 | 1,695,200 |
did not show how it was carried out in any way. Q.From whom did you or the managing board learn of the contents of these reports? A.The heads of departments and the plenipotentiaries told the department for the card index and reports, to give them a summarized version of the contents. Q.Did you as deputy of the head of... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,695,150 | 1,695,650 |
your apparently only superficial contact with this subject, did you have the impression that active biological warfare was intended? ANo, I did not have that impression. QWitness, I now come to the count of conspiracy. In the examination of your co-defendants on the witness stand we have already learned who was in slig... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,695,600 | 1,696,100 |
like to travel. He frequently deputized me to obtain the necessary decisions from Himmler through Brandt. Thus I had to go to Munich very often to hear what Wuest wanted. QHow often did you see Brandt in general? AAbout every four to six weeks, but only for a short time. QNow, another question. Did you participate in a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,696,050 | 1,696,550 |
made Oberscharfuehrer by Himmler, and then I went through all the ranks at the normal rate. QYour superior, Curator Wuest, was also an SS member. What was his rank. AWuest as far as I recall was taken in as a Hauptsturmfuehrer or Sturmbannfuehrer, and in 19411942 he held the rank of Oberfuehrer. QThat was a few ranks a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,696,500 | 1,697,000 |
phenomenon exists hitherto only in a very small measure. I know only of a few pamphlets and brief articles. I have heard, how ever, that there is already a larger amount of literature abroad on this question. Unfortunately, this literature was not yet accessible to me. Now, to introduce this final chapter of my direct ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,696,950 | 1,697,450 |
of the German people. The threads of this conspiracy did therefore not converge in one hand, but ran through many hands, through groups which were separated within the opposition. No group knew exactly the set-up of the other, no group was permitted to know it exactly, if only for security reasons. Moreover, the men wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,697,400 | 1,697,900 |
by undermining was not possible, in our opinion the only way left was that of an armed uprising, and we worked toward that aim. THE PRESIDENT:What is the date or approximate date, of the publication of this Document; Sievers Document No.50? DR. WEISBERGER:Mr. President, this pamphlet by Emil Henk was published in 1946 ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,697,850 | 1,698,350 |
Albrecht Shaeffer whom the witness just mentioned. "From 1939 on I have been a resident of the United States of America. I left Germany because of my opposition to the Nazi-regime. "Friedrich Hielscher, whose acquaintance I made in 1930, was a frequent guest in my house at Rimsting on the Chiem Lake and often stayed th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,698,300 | 1,698,800 |
publishing house of the NSDAP. Because a great deal of secret information of the party was collected there, I had very good opportunity for obtaining information. I was able to use this opportunity for the benefit of the resistance movement for Hielscher and Liedig. QThrough the fact that you moved to Berlin and your w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,698,750 | 1,699,250 |
this intention of gaining insight into Himmler's entourage? AYes, in my capacity of Reich Business Manager of theAhnenerbe I had to cooperate with Himmler's personal staff, the head of which was wolf, later Obergruppenfuehrer. In the course of time I had a very good opportunity for obtaining information, but I must poi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,699,200 | 1,699,700 |
in the interest of my resistance work I had a great deal of advantage. QYou mean to say then that you succeeded in getting a new and important source of information? AYes, one might say that. I should like to mention an example in this connection. State Secretary Naumann belonged to this circle of friends from Goebbels... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,699,650 | 1,700,150 |
1944 was the man between Stauffenberg and Hielscher. QWhen did you establish contact with these people? AI was in touch with Schulenburg first. I believe it was in 1940 when Schulenburg and Hielscher got together. We established contact with Blumenthal in 1943. Also, Lt. Von Haeften, Stauffenberg's adjutant. QMr. Presi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,700,100 | 1,700,600 |
included Kunze (?) for example, who was in contact with the former Reich Chancellor Wirth in Switzerland, and there were also connected with Resistance Movement in the occupied territories. I had close contact with Dr. Bommers of the University of Groningen who was an important member of the Dutch Resistance Movement. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,700,550 | 1,701,050 |
Herr Sievers, too, had more or less direct contacts in those years with persons who had connections with agencies interested in news and information from underground Germany." The last paragraph on this page: "I have been in a position to observe Herr Sievers during many years under manifold circumstances. For obvious ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,701,000 | 1,701,500 |
Himmler's pseudo-scientific aspirations, I asked him whether he did not want to see the Bayeux carpet in France, and the royal graves in Norway, or the Megalithic graves in Holland, and in this way I frequently learned of Himmler's destination, and was able to tell Hielscher. QNow did Hielscher always keep you informed... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,701,450 | 1,701,950 |
happened to find out that drastic measures were being planned against the Danish Jews. Do you mean this event? A.Yes; that is the occasion. Q.Now can you please tell the High Tribunal very briefly about one case or another in which you helped people who were in any way oppressed by the Nazi Regime or deprived of their ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,701,900 | 1,702,400 |
This statement, Oslo, 21 January 1947, reads as follows -- I quote: "When I was discharged from the Prison Prinz Albrecht Strasse, Berlin, on 21 December 1942 after having been interned for seven months in the Concentration Camp Sachsenhausen, I first lived in Munich for several months; then (May 1943) an order was giv... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,702,350 | 1,702,850 |
book is in the same form, Your Honor. I think it involves only one document, however. JUDGE SEBRING:At the present moment it appears that this involves Document No. 40. Well, as a matter of fact, I have two Document 40's in German. Perhaps it can be straightened out more easily than it appears. THE PRESIDENT:What numbe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,702,800 | 1,703,300 |
the recess you mentioned a few cases in which you were able to assist persons who were repressed by the Nazi regime. Was the assistance that you were able to give in certain cases possible without any further ado? A.No, by no means. Luck, strong nerves, and courage were an essential part of this. Those who don't know t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,703,250 | 1,703,750 |
information on my office which had been transferred to that neighborhood. During the conversation it appeared that we had an acquaintance in common, a man who was closely befriended to this man, and because of this he said to me what his real assignment was. He then sent a report to Berlin which clarified the situation... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,703,700 | 1,704,200 |
done in the Ahnenerbe would have been checked very carefully and it could be counted on that the secret thread that led to the other groups in the resistance movement would be discovered. These consequences would be most unhappy for the conspiratorial activities of the group and, moreover, my very important observation... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,704,150 | 1,704,650 |
carried them on. I would have been unable to prevent this had I left my position. Q.Mr. President, in this context I offer from Document Book I, Document No. 18, on page 42, as Sievers Exhibit 21. This is an affidavit of Wolfgang Wellmann. From this affidavit I should like to read merely a brief paragraph, namely on pa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,704,600 | 1,705,100 |
he was Reich Minister of the Interior, and thus in control of the entire internal German control machinery. Moreover from 1944 on, after disposing of Canaris, Himmler took over the entire Military Counterintelligence Service. Thus Himmler had acquired an extraordinary power, and consequently he appeared to be the man w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,705,050 | 1,705,550 |
this point of view, the following seemed to offer the best chances of success: I have already mentioned yesterday the "House of Nature" in which Himmler was very much interested. He had visited it several times and the manager of the "House of Nature" had told him that in a certain region of the Alps vultures still liv... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,705,500 | 1,706,000 |
for the trip; and thirdly, in 1943, the cooperation between the various groups was not so close that we could have taken over the entire governmental administration immediately. Q.In other words, you had to put off the carrying out of your plans until 1944? A.Yes and we made many efforts, continually reminding Himmler ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,705,950 | 1,706,450 |
of 1944, I heard that Neuhaus had been transferred and a Kriminalrat by the name of Saunders continued my interrogation and it was because of this that I got off. Saunders was an old official, very correct and decent in contrast to Neuhaus. I was able to cover for Hielscher on the basis of his phony orders from the Ahn... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,706,400 | 1,706,900 |
BY DR. PRIBILLA (Counsel for the Defendant Rostock): QWitness, you were deputy business manager of the Reich Research Council and I can assume that you are informed about the business in the Reich Research Council. AYes, I can give you information about that. QPlease, clarify once and for all who was responsible for is... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,706,850 | 1,707,350 |
months. These red reports contained nothing but what was in the list, that is, merely a summary, the name cf the scientist, and the title of the assignment. QCan you state precisely from your own knowledge that in addition to these lists, and in addition to the red booklets, these people, for example, the Board, did no... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,707,300 | 1,707,800 |
institutes were never under the Commissioner General for medical and Health Matters? A.No, certainly not. Q.Now, I have one more question. Somewhere in this rather extensive diary under the date of 1 June 1946 there is an entry that Professor Rostock made an inquiry of you about the drug polygal and that you answered t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,707,750 | 1,708,250 |
experiments under the condition that SS 2nd Lieutenant Dr. Rascher, who is anyhow a medical 1st Lieutenant of the air force, takes part in them. I am sure that Dr. Rascher will be able to give you further details. Heil Hitler. Rudolf Brandt." You have already said in your direct examination that your inquiry of March 9... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,708,200 | 1,708,700 |
like to discuss another document with you. It is in Document Book 5 of the prosecution, page 84 in the German and 77 in the English. This is Document 1609PS, Prosecution Exhibit 92. It is a personal letter from Reichsfuehrer SS, Field Headquarters, 24 October 1942. It is marked Top Secret. It is addressed to Dr. Sigmun... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,708,650 | 1,709,150 |
after Rascher had this letter, meant a considerable danger for Professor Weltz? A.I assume so if Weltz had given Rascher any occasion then Rascher, on the basis of this authority from Himmler, would have acted accordingly. Q.I thank you. I have no further questions. BY DR. FRITZ (Defense Counsel for the defendant Rose)... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,709,100 | 1,709,600 |
on this occasion? AYes. QWas that the only time that you were in Dachau and saw an experiment? AIt was the only time that I saw a high altitude experiment in Dachau. I was in Dachau several times. QWere the experiments which were carried out in your presence in Dachau carried out correctly and with the necessary sense ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,709,550 | 1,710,050 |
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