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ambulatory patients, and I had the impression that they liked working with me. They saw the enormous danger for their political prisoners since there was an enormous amount of venereal diseases. In the big Dusseldorf clinic I never had so many fresh cases as in this camp. Not only venereal diseases, but also skin disea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,620,000 | 1,620,500 |
In the course of time the numbers gradually increased; and more political prisoners, and more foreigners, came to the camp and, of course, the number of skin and venereal disease cases also increased gradually so that the work became greater and greater, and here we had to avoid contagion. The arrangements of the hospi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,620,450 | 1,620,950 |
the camp of Ravensbruck become congenial to you? AI was supposed to help the women who were in custody here; and I was to protect the political prisoners from contagion. For the sake of the patients I tried to stay in the camp and not to escape for selfish reasons. I was able to help individual patients. I could not ch... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,620,900 | 1,621,400 |
time? AAshort time before the experiments began, I was told by the post physician -- that was at that time Dr. Schilausky -- that I was to evacuate a few of my rooms. He did not give me the reason at that time. Shortly before the experiments began, Prof. Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer came with the post physician and some ot... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,621,350 | 1,621,850 |
allowed to go out of the camp to work but had to remain in the camp. I also knew that they were to be pardoned if they survived the experiments. I observed one case where a patient in a sulfonamide series was actually pardoned. Whether the others were pardoned I do not know. QIn this one case which you are thinking of,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,621,800 | 1,622,300 |
experiments? ANo, I was a Dermatologist. QYou never carried out any operations yourself? ANo. QWhat were your tasks after the operations? AMay I ask you to repeat your question. QWhat was your task after the operation, and what did you do during the operation? AI had no special task here. Sometimes I administered the a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,622,250 | 1,622,750 |
and Professor Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer came. I remember that it even very frequently happened on Sunday. I for my part saw to it that the drugs and medicines were administered at the proper time. Also there was a regular change of dressings, and I also had nursed; medicines which had to be given intravenously, I admini... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,622,700 | 1,623,200 |
or form a wrong impression? QI certainly did not mistreat any one, and certainly not any one under an anesthesia. But I have already said that I took great pain on behalf of a patient, and that it is possible that where a person had been operated upon, and was coming to again, that I pushed her lower jaw and perhaps sh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,623,150 | 1,623,650 |
and no temperature. In April 1943 I examined the patients once more and there was just a very small amount of supervision, and the patients were not suffering great pain any more. I informed Professor Gebhardt of this. There was no question of any further treatment, baths, or massage since this was infectious separatio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,623,600 | 1,624,100 |
that you had know about all this? A.I had nothing to do with the regular X-ray control. Dr. Stumpfegger did that and I did not learn about the incident and I had no disciplinary authority. Q.You never heard anything about this whole affair? A.I learned of it only here. Q.And, after the trial here, you thought all the p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,624,050 | 1,624,550 |
prisoners. I was not able to give him any information on those subjects. Then he spoke about the care which was given them and the medical measures in the camp hospital. I described to him all the difficulties as far as I was able to observe them, and I told about my great work, the great amount of work in treating ven... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,624,500 | 1,625,000 |
I was a young doctor saw clearly for the first time now difficult the medical profession is and which places a person before such difficult decisions, I felt so alone because I had no old experienced medical person here to ask for advise and I had at the clinic in Dusselforf. I have a bad memory of figures, so I do not... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,624,950 | 1,625,450 |
they were German citizens. I administered euthanasia after consulting my medical superior, the post physician and according to my own medical judgment; and I did so in the presence of the prisoner nurse at the time I thought it necessary to act in this way. When in the course of time I became more and more opposed to t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,625,400 | 1,625,900 |
about that with the aid of Prof. Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer I left Ravensbruck and went to Hohenlychen. I worked there as an assistant doctor in the women's and children's ward. I was very glad to take over the children's ward because in Dusseldorf at the dermatology clinic I had worked in the children's ward. In additio... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,625,850 | 1,626,350 |
ruling, then, when documents of this nature are submitted, will it be necessary for me on each occasion to render a formal objection or, on documents of this nature, can we reserve our right to object until the end of the completion of each defendant's case? THE PRESIDENT:Yes, that would be on such documents as this, p... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,626,300 | 1,626,800 |
who is in Berlin, has not yet arrived, I shall first offer an affidavit. It is possible that after the presentation of evidence in the case of the defendant Oberheuser I shall be able to dispense with examining this witness before the Tribunal. THE PRESIDENT:Has the document bock been prepared for the defendant Oberheu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,626,750 | 1,627,250 |
in a very poor state indeed. "After eight days I was again admitted to the sick bay where Frl. Dr. Oberheuser treated me. She was the first to ascertain that I suffered from abdominal typhus. I further had erysipelas of the leg and inguinal rupture and furthermore suffered from an intense itch. Frl. Dr. Oberheuser gave... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,627,200 | 1,627,700 |
the stand and testified as follows: BY THE PRESIDENT: Q.What is your name? A.Herta Oberheuser. Q.Will you repeat this oath after me: I swear by God, the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth and will withhold and add nothing. (The witness repeated the oath.) THE PRESIDENT:You may sit down. DIRECT EX... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,627,650 | 1,628,150 |
specialize in skin diseases and study at the skin or dermatological clinic. I went to the dermatological clinic at Duesseldorf and completed my specialized training there. As I said, I never worked independently. I had the position of a voluntary assistant there. Then there were some financial difficulties for me and s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,628,100 | 1,628,600 |
to work in the hospital. They took charge of the ambulatory patients, and I had the impression that they liked working with me. They saw the enormous danger for their political prisoners since there was an enormous amount of venereal diseases. In the big Dusseldorf clinic I never had so many fresh cases as in this camp... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,628,550 | 1,629,050 |
few political prisoners at that time and almost no Jews. In the course of time the numbers gradually increased; and more political prisoners, and more foreigners, came to the camp and, of course, the number of skin and venereal disease cases also increased gradually so that the work became greater and greater, and here... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,629,000 | 1,629,500 |
as the men from Hohenlichen had left. QDid your activity in the camp of Ravensbruck become congenial to you? AI was supposed to help the women who were in custody here; and I was to protect the political prisoners from contagion. For the sake of the patients I tried to stay in the camp and not to escape for selfish rea... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,629,450 | 1,629,950 |
contact with those experiments, and what did you think at the time? AAshort time before the experiments began, I was told by the post physician -- that was at that time Dr, Schilausky -- that I was to evacuate a few of my rooms. He did not give me the reason at that time. Shortly before the experiments began, Prof. Geb... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,629,900 | 1,630,400 |
because of espionage or something like that. Also, we were not allowed to go out of the camp to work but had to remain in the camp. I also knew that they were to be pardoned if they survived the experiments. I observed one case where a patient in a sulfonamide series was actually pardoned. Whether the others were pardo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,630,350 | 1,630,850 |
clinic here. QDid you yourself carry out operations in connection with experiments? ANo, I was a Dermatologist. QYou never carried out any operations yourself? ANo. QWhat were your tasks after the operations? AMay I ask you to repeat your question. QWhat was your task after the operation, and what did you do during the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,630,800 | 1,631,300 |
minor changes in the case, a report was sent to Hohenlychen, and Professor Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer came. I remember that it even very frequently happened on Sunday. I for my part saw to it that the drugs and medicines were administered at the proper time. Also there was a regular change of dressings, and I also had nu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,631,250 | 1,631,750 |
a patient to wake up, and have a wrong impression, or form a wrong impression? AI certainly did not mistreat any one, and certainly not any one under an anesthesia. But I have already said that I took great pain on behalf of a patient, and that it is possible that where a person had been operated upon, and was coming t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,631,700 | 1,632,200 |
have done so at any time. There was no general illness and no temperature. In April 1943 I examined the patients once more and there was just a very small amount of supervision, and the patients were not suffering great pain any more. I informed Professor Gebhardt of this. There was no question of any further treatment... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,632,150 | 1,632,650 |
were shot. Did you really have that possibility, provided, of course, that you had known about all this? A.I had nothing to do with the regular X-ray control. Dr. Stumpfegger did that and I did not learn about the incident and I had no disciplinary authority. Q.You never heard anything about this whole affair? A.I lear... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,632,600 | 1,633,100 |
officer then asked me about sterilization measures and the deportation of prisoners. I was not able to give him any information on those subjects. Then he spoke about the care which was given them and the medical measures in the camp hospital. I described to him all the difficulties as far as I was able to observe them... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,633,050 | 1,633,550 |
work at Ravensbrueck, in 1941 and the beginning of 1942, when I as a young doctor saw clearly for the first time now difficult the medical profession is and which places a person before such difficult decisions. I felt so alone because I had no old experienced medical person here to ask for advise and I had had at the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,633,500 | 1,634,000 |
whom I could talk well in German; and I am certain that they were German citizens, I administered euthanasia after consulting my medical superior; the post physician and according to my own medical judgment; and I did so in the presence of the prisoner nurse at the time I thought it necessary to act in this way. When i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,633,950 | 1,634,450 |
the right place for me as a woman. And so it came about that with the aid of Prof. Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer I left Ravensbruck and went to Hohenlychen. I worked there as an assistant doctor in the women's and children's ward. I was very glad to take over the children's ward because in Dusseldorf at the dermatology clin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,634,400 | 1,634,900 |
to be propounded of this witness by defense counsel, the prosecution may cross examine. CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. HARDY: QMiss Oberheuser, will you kindly tell the Tribunal how Professor Gebhardt happened to ask you to assist in the sulfamilomide experiments? AProfessor Gebhardt did not ask me. During the direct examina... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,634,850 | 1,635,350 |
that. I merely examined them to determine whether they could be given an anesthetic or not. I looked at their skin, listened to their heart and also tested their lungs, just as is done before any other operation when an anesthetic is necessary. QWell, now, you did assist during the operations and give the anesthetic to... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,635,300 | 1,635,800 |
He conducted his experiments himself, and he himself took the plaster casts off. He also took the X-ray pictures himself; and I knew nothing about it. Q.Then those girls that were executed had already undergone experiments, had they not? A.Yes, I assume so. Q.Now, would it not have been your duty to see to it that the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,635,750 | 1,636,250 |
this crossexamination, I wish to go back. If I recollect from your answer here this morning, you stated that it is possible, or true, that some of those girls were executed after they had endured the experiments; isn't that right? A.I don't know. I can't say anything about that. I heard that only here in the courtroom.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,636,200 | 1,636,700 |
dermatologist. Q.Were there any plans made for regular follow-up's after the experimental operations? A.I can say nothing about that. It is impossible after an infection, after an infectious suppuration, to do anything. No baths can be given, and no massage. Q.Did you ever give the girls any drug to relieve the pain af... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,636,650 | 1,637,150 |
the Chief Physician. Q.Now, how many people had you experience as a doctor prior to the death of these five or six girls in the experiments? A.I do not remember that there were five or six experimental subjects. I can remember only three; and I can no longer tell you how many people I have seen die, but I had worked fo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,637,100 | 1,637,600 |
about 80 years wearing the green triangle on her arm in the passage of the revier; she asked Dr. Oberhauser for some pills. She was ill and could scarcely move. Oberhauser asked her why she was in the camp. As she did not reply Oberhauser kicked her. The woman fell to the ground crying. Oberhauser laughed and told her ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,637,550 | 1,638,050 |
the point of my foot somewhat stretched forward in order to see the patients better in their entirety;" do you recall talking to Major Mant in that regard? A.Yes, it was at my first interrogation which was carried out by Miss Karl-Mory and she forced me into this statement which is not of any significance. I did not ki... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,638,000 | 1,638,500 |
examine the patients as a pre-examination or a pre-operative examination? A.I have repeatedly said in my direct examination and again this morning that I looked at the patients who were sent to me according to the lists. I tested their skin, their hearts and their lungs as is done before any operation where an anesthet... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,638,450 | 1,638,950 |
that? A.No. Q.I said, "and this medical aid resulted in death, did it not?" A.As I said, they were patients in agony. Q.Miss Oberhauser, were you ever awarded the Iron Cross? A.No. Q.What did you get? What Award? A.If I remember correctly, it was the War Merit Medal, Kriegaverdienst-Medaille. Q.And for what reason did ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,638,900 | 1,639,400 |
the preliminary examination given before any operation? A.No. Q.You had testified that you learned of the experiments only when Prof. Gebhardt and Dr. Fischer had already begun them? A.Yes. Q.You have also testified that according to Prof. Gebhardt the experiments were not dangerous; now, I ask you: On the basis of the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,639,350 | 1,639,850 |
had any seventy-year-olds in the camp. They were mostly younger people. Q.Between statements of Piesezka and Baj on the one hand, and those of the witness Tschiedo who was examined before this Tribunal, there is an obvious discrepancy. You are of the opinion that the witness Tschiedo is nearer the truth than the other ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,639,800 | 1,640,300 |
PRESIDENT:Concerning these patients whom you testified were suffering from incurable cancers, what was the injection that you administered intended to produce-was it to alleviate their suffering or to cause their death? WITNESS:To relieve their suffering. THE PRESIDENT:In what way? WITNESS:These people were in agony. T... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,640,250 | 1,640,750 |
my intention simply to have your first witness sworn; are you going to proceed with the witness or by reading documents, counsel? DR. BOEHM:I should like to call the Defendant Poppendick to the stand first. THE PRESIDENT:It was my intention simply to call the witness to the stand and have him sworn and then recess. DR.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,640,700 | 1,641,200 |
the city, in the east of Berlin. In 1932 I was a specialist for internal diseases. In 1933 I became Oberarzt, chief physician, at the Virchow Hospital, at the internal section. In the fall of 1934 I went to the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, Herlin-Dahlem, for genetics and hereditary diseases, to be trained in hereditary an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,641,150 | 1,641,650 |
not scientists. Q.What was the position of the doctors in the Main Race and Settlement Office? A.The position there was very tense. The doctors were considered specialists with binders who ostensibly did not have clear sight but were too much involved in their school medical knowledge. Q.What is your opinion in the way... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,641,600 | 1,642,100 |
this Sippen-amt was only for the SS, for the members of the SS. This Reichs Sippen-amt, as far as I know, was attached to the Ministry of the Interior, and had quite different duties. There was no connection. QThe doctors of the SS Sippen-amt, in the year 1939, were taken to the office of the Reichs-Arzt, is that corre... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,642,050 | 1,642,550 |
which work. AIt occurred now and again the Reichs-Arzt gave me minor assignments, and they were generally unimportant things. Most often it was social welfare cases. It turned out that in general I worked on complaints from the public about doctors and their activity which were sent to the SS magazine "Das Schwarze Kor... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,642,500 | 1,643,000 |
emphasized the officer very much. He attached great importance to his position as Reichsarzt. He demanded absolute obedience. He was generally polite; that he could suddenly become very abrupt and inconsiderate. In the case of persons who had influence somewhere else he acted differently. He liked not only many words b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,642,950 | 1,643,450 |
rid of a continious gnawing fear for the safety of his position. For three reasons it seems very understandable from a human point of view that he kept important or secret matters to himself or made them known only to the persons directly concerned in order to prevent such matters from becoming public unnecessarily and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,643,400 | 1,643,900 |
then there was the biggest office actually, the medical quatermaster, the chief pharmacist. His staff with the Reichsartz had twelve to fifteen people. There was also an office for statistical evaluation of case histories. This office was worked outside of Berlin. I cannot say exactly how many people worked there, Fina... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,643,850 | 1,644,350 |
once said to me if he did not have the mail, the correspondence of the ReichsArzt, then he didn't know what he could do. He felt superfluous as Reichs-Arzt. Q.Whose subordinate was the adjutant and the secretary of the Reichs-Arzt? A.They were both directly under Grawitz. Q.Could you look at correspondence; did you hav... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,644,300 | 1,644,800 |
that part of it which is necessary for them to know, earlier than is absolutely necessary for the fulfilment of their task. 4. It is forbidden thoughtless to pass on, by any general order of distribution, any orders which it is of decisive importance to keep secret." I quote from HPO-4. THE PRESIDENT:What is the date o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,644,750 | 1,645,250 |
it should be brought before the Tribunal under certification by some authority, and we may take judicial notice of it. DR. BOEHM:Yes, certainly, I have already expressed, your Honor, that I shall do so. THE PRESIDENT:I notice that counsel has himself certified that it is a true copy of the testimony before Tribunal II.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,645,200 | 1,645,700 |
work for Grawitz. I always felt that his efforts to interfere and to show the necessity for his existence were just as useless as they were disturbing. "In 1941 I learned that Grawitz intended to place his office on a more extensive footing. Through this he also hoped to become chief of a main office. I heard that Graw... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,645,650 | 1,646,150 |
a chief of staff. I also did not notice that Poppendick had any other powers conferred upon him by Grawitz. "On the contrary, I was more of the impression that Grawitz even after 1 September 1943, settled all the essential office matters himself and only occasionally gave incidental commissions to Poppendick. "I was ne... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,646,100 | 1,646,600 |
and training in appropriate schools and courses of the doctors drafted for war service - I was very frequently outside Berlin. (Munich-Freimann, Stralsund, etc.) The management of the office was roughly as follows: Unless he dealt personally with the mail, Grawitz used the services of his secretary who sat in the antec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,646,550 | 1,647,050 |
the personal office of the Reichsarzt-SS Grawitz? A.That had nothing to do with my work as chief of the personal office. Before 1943 and afterwards, it happened on various occasions that I signed - that was very rarely. And it was always unimportant things. It happened occasionally that Grawitz did not want to sign som... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,647,000 | 1,647,500 |
Mrugowsky well, but officially I saw them only rarely. QDid you take part in the sessions of the Consulting Physicians? AYes, I participated in the last two meetings in 1943 and '44. QIn these conferences did you take part by order or as a deputy of Grawitz? ANo, and I never reported to Grawitz, and I would not have at... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,647,450 | 1,647,950 |
at regular intervals until the end? ANo, it lasted only a few months. I believe it was in 1942. QThe prosecution makes you responsible, especially for the high-altitude experiments; in the time of these experiments which is approximately from March 42 to August 42, were you then chief of the personal office of Grawitz?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,647,900 | 1,648,400 |
see anything else. At least I had no unfavorable impression in any respect from these visits of mine, which, I admit, were brief visits; and I was never in any other concentration camp. Q.Did you have anything to do with the personal relation of Rascher between the transfer of Rascher to the Waffen SS? A.No. Q.Did you ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,648,350 | 1,648,850 |
refused to do so rather energetically; and he clearly said that the Reichsfuehrer had given him the assignment and that he was directly under the Reichsfuehrer. Then I myself said that as doctors in the Sippenamt we had been independent up to 1939 but that then we had been put under the Reichsarzt as it was generally c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,648,800 | 1,649,300 |
or in any other way. Q.Did the Reichsarzt receive an invitation to the conference of the doctors in Nurnberg? A.I myself know nothing about this. According to the evidence which has been submitted here, no one was present from the office of the Reichsarzt. Q.Do you know the two SS participants Petersen and Murtung? A.I... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,649,250 | 1,649,750 |
have anything to do with him? ANo, I had nothing to do with him. I did not knew him. QWhat did you know of Schilling's activities in Dachau? AI somehow heard--I think it was from Grawitz himself--that Schilling was carrying on special investigations concerning immunity in malaria which he had begun in Italy and which h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,649,700 | 1,650,200 |
He himself would conduct experiments at his clinic with it on patients who had been given up and who were suffering from cancers on the surface, which were easily accessible. If I am correctly informed, however this was never done because soon thereafter the Berlin clinics, including the clinic of Prof. Auler, evacuate... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,650,150 | 1,650,650 |
happened to want to know. This must have been one such case. Q.On the 23rd of October 1944, on Page 281, the entry, "By telephone with Poppendick transfer of biological experiments with Ploetner. First of all, as submission Prof. Friese for discussion." What does that mean?" AThat was no doubt a similar case he also ca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,650,600 | 1,651,100 |
is insofar as I learned of them at all here. QBut Gebhardt has expressed that these were experiments to be carried out on persons who were sentenced to death. AYes, he said so. QWhat is your answer to this question to carry out experiments on people sentenced to death? AI cannot pass judgment on the right to carry out ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,651,050 | 1,651,550 |
touch; did the adjutant tell you anything about this matter at all? ANo, the adjutant did not talk to me about it. QDid you know one of the parties in these experiments of the Luftwaffe who are made responsible by the Prosecution for participation in these experiments? ANo, I knew none of them. QI may therefore in conc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,651,500 | 1,652,000 |
5, after he received knowledge of this document; how could this happen considering that Grawitz kept secret such delicate matters, and dealt with it himself? AThis matter about sterilization by drugs which I saw here in the trial for the first time, is an open matter and nothing can be seen from it except that there is... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,651,950 | 1,652,450 |
about that? AYes, Grawitz had officially informed the Race and Settlement office that in the future in the treatment of sterile wives of SS members these doctors who were named were to be called upon, and there was a specialist for women's diseases for each district of Germany named. MR. HARDY:May it please Your Honor,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,652,400 | 1,652,900 |
in Buchenwald? AYes, I knew that. I knew that there was a Hygiene Institute in Buchenwald at which Ding was working. QWhat do you know of Ding's activity in Buchenwald? AI do not know any of the details of this work, but I learned once that he was producing typhus serum, or a vaccine against typhus, according to a new ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,652,850 | 1,653,350 |
scientific articles in which is not particularly interested. I am not a specialist. I have no experience in the field of typhus. I was not interested in the details and was not able to evaluate them correctly. Q.Did you have the permanent order or assignment to stamp all scientific publications? A.No, not in general, b... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,653,300 | 1,653,800 |
in answer to the next question -- and Poppendick received a copy -- he also answered "yes". I cannot understand why within a short time he could make two directly contradictory statements. In answer to the first clear question as to whether I received reports on typhus, he said "no". MR. HARDY:Your Honor, it is respect... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,653,750 | 1,654,250 |
connection spoke of an experimental ward 5. Was there a special office in the office of the Reichsarzt in which such experiments were planned and approved? A.I know of no such office. I do not know what kind of work this office would have had to do. Approximately Thirty-five letters which refer to Grawitz, Grawitz no d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,654,200 | 1,654,700 |
department in which the experiments were carried out. On the witness stand Kogon did not maintain this, and what is your opinion? AI can only repeat that I was not responsible for research section V of Professor von Kennel nor for any alleged research section under the Reichsarzt, that I had no responsibility in those ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,654,650 | 1,655,150 |
him no orders, nor did he do so. "There is no doubt that the chief of the personal office of the Reich Physician-SS and Police, Helmut Poppendick, was not responsible for the activities of this research department V. I know that Professor von Kennel received animals for experiments, white mice, for his laboratory in Le... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,655,100 | 1,655,600 |
penicillin in the Clinical Weekly (Klinische Wochenschrift) (1942/1943). With the support of the firm of Schering, the research department V's personnel had meanwhile increased greatly. I had my own research account V for the authorized research expenditures. "In 1943 I was summoned by letter to report to the medical o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,655,550 | 1,656,050 |
book of Dr. Kogon are entirely unknown to me. "Viewed from a medical expert's point of view, the implantation of synthetic hormones in the form of crystals or tablets into the abdominal cover represents an internationally recognized method which has already proved effective. "Dr. Grawitz, the Reich Physician SS and Pol... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,656,000 | 1,656,500 |
ever see such a report? ANo, at least I cannot recall ever having seen such a report with pictures. I certainly should have noticed the pictures. Q.Was it customary for experimental reports to be sent to you? ANo, such reports were sent direct to the Reichs physician. Correspondence with staff members in such matters w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,656,450 | 1,656,950 |
he asked me to come along to the firm of Madaus in my capacity as a physician and to observe these experiments. That was in the fall of 1943. In accordance with the request of Gruppenfuehrer v. Woyrsch and the firm of Madaus, I reported to the Reich Physician SS and Police on the results in the treatment of phosphorus ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,656,900 | 1,657,400 |
of treatment of the Danish physician Dr. Vaernet, who carried out transplantations on homosexuals and people who were prematurely old; what do you know about this? AI heard once that Dr. Vaernet was working in Prague in a pharmaceutical factory on the technical development of a hormone pill. This tablet had a certain s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,657,350 | 1,657,850 |
the secretary he did not want to wait to sign it or I should do so. I read the letter here, and this is not my style of letter-writing. In connection with such an experiment as Vaernet was carrying on, I would not have used the words "humane experiments". I would use the word "implantation" and the vocabulary in the le... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,657,800 | 1,658,300 |
that these were blood or urine analyses to test the hormone contents, or a similar analysis to that which are frequently carried out in clinics or laboratories. Moreover Dr. Horn recently testified here that castrated persons were also available here and that these, according to the law, were criminals who had been cas... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,658,250 | 1,658,750 |
made a note to that effect returned the file to Grawitz. A discussion with Kaltenbrunner did not materialize." QWhat is your attitude towards these so-called experiments of Vaernet, were these experiments or simply methods of treatment? AThey weren't experiments. In contradistinction the German "Versuch" is a much broa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,658,700 | 1,659,200 |
the same dose given by injection. The effect of crystal implantation also lasts much longer; the maximum effect is reached later;....." Now, page 304: "Therapy with male sexual hormones. "Treatment by means of the preparation concerned has, besides the effect on the sexual sphere, a number of other effects. "First ther... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,659,150 | 1,659,650 |
ANo, I knew nothing of these polygal experiments. QDid you know the word "polygal" at all? AThe word I have heard somewhere or another. QDid you know that polygal was produced in the Ahnenerbe? AThat might have been mentioned once also, but I don't know any details. QIf you heard that experiments were being undertaken ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,659,600 | 1,660,100 |
deductions from my rank with regard to my activities in Grawitz's office nor regarding knowledge of what happened in Grawitz's sphere. The doctors of the Rasse und Siedlungs Main Office were transferred to the Reich Physician, not so that they could work under the Reich Physician, but they were to continue to be active... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,660,050 | 1,660,550 |
itself with the training of persons who were to test the racial qualifications of members of the SS when they came up for testing. I know of no other activities of the Race and Settlement Office. DR. BOEHM:I should like to conclude my interrogation of the witness with this and should now like to submit a few documents.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,660,500 | 1,661,000 |
A "Chief physician" is not the correct word. We use the word "managing physician", because he was not in charge of the whole Main Office but simply could give certain orders in the medical department. QWell, there was not any other medical man higher than you, was there? ANo, not in the Race and Settlement Office. QNow... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,660,950 | 1,661,450 |
that right? A.Yes. Q.Well now, after you received the title as Chief of the Personal Staff did you have any duties? A.I wasn't Chief of the Personal Staff but Chief of the Personal Office and so titled but as I said yesterday quite explicitly Grawitz stated that he was giving specific responsibilities but in effect eve... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,661,400 | 1,661,900 |
by no means a document as to what was discussed there and moreover the rest of the letter shows this as a very one-sided coloration; I think a very specific purpose, namely, to achieve certain results with the Reichsfuehrer SS. I say that I did not make that statement in that form but Rascher conducted himself in this ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,661,850 | 1,662,350 |
subjects were persons condemned to death but he didn't say they were concentration camp inmates. QBut you in fact knew before this meeting that these experiments were being conducted at the Concentration Camp Ravensbrueck, didn't you? ANo. QAre you sure, doctor? ANo. I knew nothing about that. QWell, now, to your knowl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,662,300 | 1,662,800 |
PRESIDENT:Counsel, do you desire this document marked with an identification number, having been introduced? MR. HARDY:I was going to wait until such a time as defense counsel finished perusing the document, your Honor. EXAMINATION CONTINUED BY MR. HARDY: QCan you tell the Tribunal what the negative racial policy was? ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,662,750 | 1,663,250 |
have represented me through --- QNow, you testified in direct examination that you only know about legal sterilization, is that right? AYes. QWell, now let's look at Document Book NO VI, document NO 214, Exhibit 68, found on page 51 of the English, your Honor. If defense counsel has the German copy I would appreciate i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,663,200 | 1,663,700 |
Prosecution Exhibit No.474, which.... DR. BOEHM:Mr. President, I object to the submission of this DocumentNO-1639, because it obviously cannot be what it should be according to the contents of the first page, namely a list of physicians. In addition to that the annex bears an earlier date than the letter itself, addres... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,663,650 | 1,664,150 |
between them. MR. HARDY:Then I will have to give them differentNO numbers also, Your Honor. The Prosecution wishes to put them in as one Document. THE PRESIDENT:They are not connected, they are not one document. DR. BOEHM:It is my opinion that this is not permissible, these two documents have nothing at all to do with ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,664,100 | 1,664,600 |
me to discuss the matter further in your name with SS-Gruppenfuehrer Pohl and SS Brigadefuehrer Gluecks." The signature appears there on: "Grawitz." QNow, Doctor, do you know anything about these matters? AI could only conclude therefrom that we are here concerned with two entirely different fields Clauberg dealt with,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,664,550 | 1,665,050 |
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