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Ding that he should not make any more experiments, and I reported this to Gruppenfuehrer ueller." I shall read the last paragraph in another connection. According to the affidavit of Dr. Morgen, Dueller ordered Ding to carry out the experiment at Buchenwald. Did you receive a report on this experiment? A.No, I did not ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,530,000 | 1,530,500 |
had been arrested, and the rest of the ammunition was a hollow ball which contained a crystallized poison. The Chemical Institute of the Reich Criminal Police Office tested this and found that it was Aconitim the ammunition was of Russian origin. There is no Aconitin in German, it is imported. The question was whether ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,530,450 | 1,530,950 |
Prosecution document. Q.You have said that this ammunition which was captured was of Russian production How can that be proved? A.The Prosecution itself proved that. This documentNO-290is followed by a part of the files which were not included in my report. There arc 3 drawings of cross-sections of those bullets which ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,530,900 | 1,531,400 |
like that. QThen you did not see the death sentence order before it was carried out? ANo, I did not have the opportunity because the doctor is merely called into an execution to ascertain when death occurs, but I am convinced that it was not my duty to examine the sentence order, for I had nothing to do with the actual... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,531,350 | 1,531,850 |
the thigh and their suffering was immediately stopped; but the others had only flesh wounds and after a certain period of time symptoms of poisoning appeared; that was three people. DR. FLEMMING:Did you have anything else to do with the previous history of this execution? THE WITNESS:No. DR. FLEMMING:Mr. President, I s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,531,800 | 1,532,300 |
from the book "Adventures in Respiration," the authorized translation from the English. This is Document Mrugowsky 31. The book itself I shall submit to the prosecution as soon as I have it from the library. I ask that the document be admitted as Mrugowsky Exhibit 47. It is on Page 182 of the Ger man and English docume... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,532,250 | 1,532,750 |
1946, had you over road this partic ular excerpt which is now being offered by your counsel in evidence? A.Yes, I had read that previously. I merely reread it again .... Q.Can you state the approximate date upon which you first read this excerpt? That night have been a bout 1942. It was shortly after tho German transla... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,532,700 | 1,533,200 |
document Mrugowsky 32 on Page 184 of the document book; Document 52, Page 18 4, which I offer as Exhibit Mrugowsky 48. This is an affidavit of Prof. Flury at Wuerzburg, Mrugowsky 32, Page 184, Exhibit 48. I should like to read morely Number 4, one sentence in Number 5, and Number 6. Prof. Flury says in Number 4: "Aconi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,533,150 | 1,533,650 |
was rather excited, perhaps, and that the thing was every disagreeable that the matter was very disagreeable to him. He said that Ding told him everything at the time, private matters as well as official ones. QThis remark of Kogon is in the English transcript on page 1195, in the German's on page 1216. ATherefore, I a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,533,600 | 1,534,100 |
not know him I answered in the negative and he then asked me if I knew him by the name of Ding. When I answered that question also in the negative, he told me that he was the Dr. Ding who made the typhus experiments in the Buchenwald concentration camp. Ding was very much astonished when I told him that I never heard o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,534,050 | 1,534,550 |
in him in order to know that he intended to commit a murder, or a crime. I should think that this characteristic should explain Ding's conduct in this case. DR. FLEMMING:Mr. President, in this connection I come back to Document Mrugowsky's ho. 29, on page 177, in Document Book Exhibit Mrugowsk's Exhibit No. 36, Documen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,534,500 | 1,535,000 |
to the bunker to attend an experiment with poison. According to his affidavit, he reached the bunker only after the experimental subject had been given poison; he did not know in what form that took place or what the poison was. Please tell us whether the symptoms that Schiedlowsky observed in his brief presence there ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,534,950 | 1,535,450 |
given it to Grawitz and it was in his files where it belonged. Q.It was also testified that the experimental subjects had serious pains and had wounds from 2 to 2½ cms. deep, which led to the formation of scars; I show you now the Prosecution documentNO-579, Prosecution Exhibit No.288, and ask you to make a statement r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,535,400 | 1,535,900 |
was called 'R 17'. The efficacy ofR 17had been proved by means of experiments on rabbits carried out by the firm of Dr. Madaus. After the completion of these rabbit tests, Dr. Madaus asked Hoeherer SS and Polizoifuehrer von Weyrach, Dresden, to come and see the tests. As my branch office was in the building of Gruppenf... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,535,850 | 1,536,350 |
not be introduced, as it only possessed phosphorus-dissolving properties, but did not directly contribute to the healing of the burns. However, a drug was in preparation elsewhere that combined both qualities and this would be introduced." I submit further the last paragraph of Dr, Morgen's affidavit, Document 23, Page... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,536,300 | 1,536,800 |
a letter that the prosecution put in from Grawitz to Himmler. How did you happen to compose a report on this matter? A.This letter was drawn up on a request from Dr. Blome. I drew up the report and submitted it to my chief, Grawitz, who passed it on to Himmler with the accompanying letter which we have here. It concern... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,536,750 | 1,537,250 |
I had concerned myself with the advent and disappearance of epidemics. I tested these experiences of mine once again in my own mind and came to the conclusion that the laws determining epidemics were not so well-known that we could bring about epidemics artificially. Moreover, if bacteria is used in the war, there is a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,537,200 | 1,537,700 |
the main virtues of the SS men were defined as honor, fidelity, reliability, and truthfulness. The later enmity toward the church did not exist at that time, and several years later it did not exist either because in the year 1934 I was married in a church in SS uniform, and there were many of my comrades present in th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,537,650 | 1,538,150 |
my wishes, nor my predisposition. Therefore, I made efforts from that moment on to leave the Security Service and to follow my chosen profession. QWhen you left the Sickerheitsdienst, you, however, remained in tho SS; why? AI know the custom of Himmler and the chief of the Sieherheitsdienst too well to believe that I c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,538,100 | 1,538,600 |
the Institute. He once talked with me about it, that it was too bad that in spite of all his efforts he could not get a release from the concentration camp for this man. Since at first the prisoners had only trenches available for a shelter during the many air raids, Mrugowsky ordered that at the very first warning of ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,538,550 | 1,539,050 |
meal from the kitchen of the Hygiene Institute. About 15 to 22 prisoners were working there. "It was a daily occurrence that prisoners were beaten by the SS guards, and I asked Mrugowsky, therefore, to put an end to this state of affairs, so unworthy of human beings. Mrugowsky thereupon forbade the continuance of such ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,539,000 | 1,539,500 |
PRESIDENT:Yes. DR. FLEMMING:Exhibit 54. THE PRESIDENT:According to the notes I have the affidavit of Wessel is No. 54. What number did you assign. Is that the number? DR. FLEMMING:That is correct, yes. THE PRESIDENT:What number did you assign to the next offer you made, Seeker? S-E-E-K-E-R-? DR. FLEMMING:Yes, sir, Seek... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,539,450 | 1,539,950 |
the wounded. Evidence of his own non-sparing efforts may be gathered from the fact that he declined to be kept - posted by other on the situation in the firing-line out that he used to organize persennally and without regard to his own safety the expeditions removal from the firing-line of the severally and most severa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,539,900 | 1,540,400 |
by sight. Professor Gebhardt, although he is an officer of the SS membership, I spoke with only twice, once in the field, 1941, I believe, and once previously in a corridor at one of the consulting conferences. Then I had two conversations with Blome, once in his office, and once at mine on a matter of information when... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,540,350 | 1,540,850 |
two witnesses which were referred to by counsel this morning. The Tribunal will examine this statement and announce it's ruling as soon as possible. The Tribunal now desires to announce that the Tribunal will recess at 3:30 o'clock Thursday afternoon of this week until 9:30 o'clock Tuesday morning following. The Tribun... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,540,800 | 1,541,300 |
you arrested by the Germans? A.I was arrested on the 17 July 1939 before the beginning of the war by the Gestapo. I was not interrogated. Later I was told that Germany was facing very serious events; that I would be put in protective custody for political reasons. My wife tried to find out what was wrong and the head o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,541,250 | 1,541,750 |
after the liberation I was appointed. Chief of the Allied Medical Staff. Q.You mentioned the name, Dr. Hoven, just now. Is this the same Dr. Hoven who is in the dock here? A.Yes, he is in the second row, the fifth man from the right. THE PRESIDENT:You will note for the record, that the witness has correctly identified ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,541,700 | 1,542,200 |
into it gradually, and if it was not clear or if something went wrong, then we performed the operations on corpses. And later I was gradually let into the wards where the sick prisoners were and we had further training of the personnel, and later when other doctors came, that is prisoners, doctors, we had medical semin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,542,150 | 1,542,650 |
section. Dr. Schnabel was appointed but he dealt only with tuberculosis in the prisoners. Those were the improvements in the group of doctors. As for the training for the nurses. Dr. Hoven gave orders that they were to be trained and I was ordered to conduct this training. Then came the technical improvements in the ca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,542,600 | 1,543,100 |
by a doctor there. I took him to the surgical section in the camp hospital Buckenwald. Q.After this detailed description I shall submit to you NO-1063, Exhibit 328. This is the testimony of Schalker. On page 16 of the German, page 14 of the English translation, Schalker says: "The camp doctor Dr. Hoven played a very ba... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,543,050 | 1,543,550 |
that no prisoner can go to the hospital unless he reports to a Report Leader, that is, an SS man working in the camp; and then in all blocks, whether they were German, Czech, Jewish or criminals, we had a so-called medical guard. Dr. Hoven, in effect, told the SS "No prisoner may come into the hospital directly" and th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,543,500 | 1,544,000 |
it was even seen that the prisoners stopped him and spoke to him. I give a concrete example; Dr. Hoven was once stopped on the street by a prisoner. He said he should be released because there was something wrong in his family. Dr. Hoven could do nothing but never-the-less he went to the hospital and told the liaison m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,543,950 | 1,544,450 |
carefully hidden under the garbage. QPlease describe to the Tribunal the general conduct of the Defendant Hoven toward the prisoners, insofar as you have not already done so. AI have already told you most of it--that the prisoners stopped Dr. Hoven and talked to him, that he had the medicine men, that he had these medi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,544,400 | 1,544,900 |
given a red triangle, as protective custody prisoner, and I had to give up my hair. It did not take long before Dr. Hoven brought me a note that was to be allowed to keep my hair. Dr. Hoven made a very difficult situation for me once. He had a professional criminal as an x-ray technician and the man had no hair at all.... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,544,850 | 1,545,350 |
go to the SS, it was not possible. Later when Dr. Schidlausky was in the camp, I was suddenly called away from an operation once and he told me that trouble was already beginning with the Czechs. I did not know what he was talking about, he told me I should give him an answer in two hours. I went into the camp and foun... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,545,300 | 1,545,800 |
own attitude toward such killings. For instance, in the case of a man who committed a homosexual act, he was simply killed. Again I repudiate that, but if I go home and if a regular trial takes place on this matter, then I am convinced that for example the man, who had denounced the sixteen people to the Gestapo, ten o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,545,750 | 1,546,250 |
changed, the situation among the prisoners was uncertain, there was a commando or detail on which the prisoners could be put away. Long before the detail was founded, Dr. Hoven told us that it is possible that a hygienic institute would be set up in Buchenwald. This would perhaps do something among the lines of produci... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,546,200 | 1,546,700 |
deputy for Block 50. Q.I come now to a different point. Were you the liaison man between the Czechoslovakina prisoners and Dr. Hoven? A.Yes, I was one of the liaison men. Q.Were you also a member of the underground camp management? A.No, these differences of opinion regarding camp justice prevented that. Q.What was you... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,546,650 | 1,547,150 |
I reiterate. Q.What do you know about the prevention of "Nacht and Nebel" transports through Dr. Hoven? A.We knew if something was done in the political department or if something concerned either us as individuals or as groups. First of all Dr. Hoven succeeded in relieving some prisoners from service in the political ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,547,100 | 1,547,600 |
a RSHA transport. QCan you give the Court the names of a few persons whom Dr. Hoven saved from this transport to Madgeburg-Belsen? AAll professions hero were represented, senators, ministers, representatives, all sorts of persons who were in this transport. Dr. Hoven did not concern himself with the names. QCan you tel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,547,550 | 1,548,050 |
transport at the beginning of 1942 in which Jews were to be sent away on masse. They were all loaded on stretchers in the hospital, but as soon as they get around the corner, they took them off the stretchers, and disposed of them in another way. I myself intervened for a Jew named Cohen. He was sent from Czechoslovaki... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,548,000 | 1,548,500 |
of the defendant Sievers. These witnesses were applied for by the counsel for the defendant Sievers, sometime ago, and an order was entered by the Tribunal that the witnesses be called. This order was entered without any objection on the part of the Prosecution. The Prosecution, however, this morning moved that the wit... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,548,450 | 1,548,950 |
certificate was written out, and then the Poles were released and some of them were inducted into the Wehrmacht. Thus, the examination to which they were subjected actually saved their lives. Dr. Hoven usually left this examination up to us non-German doctors and please observe that we were doctors who did not even und... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,548,900 | 1,549,400 |
inmates after Heydrich's death in May, 1942, and what did Hoven then do? A.The days after Heydrich was killed were the most difficult days that we Czech inmates in Buchenwald went through. We heard from the SS various theories as to how the Czech nation should be handled. We heard it stated that 1939 was the end of the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,549,350 | 1,549,850 |
fact that these steady Jewish inmates were saved by the defendant Hoven? A.When it was said that the Jews should be removed from the camp it was pointed out, from the statistics of the camp, that there were no masons there. Then the suggestion was made that the Jews who were capable of work should be examined and put i... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,549,800 | 1,550,300 |
something for a man in the camp hospital and was unable to do so. The other shops were the same. And there was talk in the dairy of sending Hoven eggs and butter. No doubt Hoven had butter, and the whole hospital received butter too. Then later as leader of the TB section or station was Dr. Dupont, a French theologian,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,550,250 | 1,550,750 |
this was during Dr. Schidlausky's time. One time Schidlausky came to me and said, "We will have to use hormone treatment." I told him that we had very little room. The outer commandos had already delivered patients to us who had been wounded in bombings. Dr. Schidlausky knew this but he thought it was only a very few a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,550,700 | 1,551,200 |
you know whether these prisoners were told ahead of time what was going to happen to them? A.In general it was customary in the camp not to tell the prisoners what was going to happen to them. I know that many persons who came for necessary operations were not told that they were going to be operated on until the last ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,551,150 | 1,551,650 |
available to us through Block 50, it did not interest us because it was a well-known matter in the medical world. Only the manufacture of this crystal hormone was new but the general treatment was an old and well-known matter. Q.Did Dr. Wernet tell you that he had success in this treatment with his own private Danish t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,551,600 | 1,552,100 |
learn surgery and other branches of medicine. He assisted me for a time, but he did not have the time or the patience to let himself really be trained. Q.Did you then make an attempt to teach Dr. Hoven some of your technique in surgery? A.Yes; I did try to do that. Q.Now in direct examination, Doctor, I believe you sai... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,552,050 | 1,552,550 |
of typhus had been fought and I also, knew, Mr. Prosecutor, that my statement on the subject is quite different from statements of doctors from other camps. I am much concerned with the lives of free prisoners in all countries and I ask myself, why is it what I say is different from what others say; how come competent ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,552,500 | 1,553,000 |
chosen or who chose them. Consequently, I cannot answer your question. Q.Where did this Euthanasia take place, do you know? A.We who could move about freely in the hospital could see that this Euthanasia could only have been carried out in Room 11. Q.Do you know whether or not the defendant Hoven carried out these Euth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,552,950 | 1,553,450 |
and as to your own knowledge. So, you may continue. A.I was never there and of my own experience I know nothing. But, it was perfectly clear in the camp that experiments were being performed in Block 46 and that prisoners were chosen for these experiments. I believe that the political department took care of that selec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,553,400 | 1,553,900 |
very red and smells of phenol." In the autopsy room there I used various drugs and so saw no particular point to the remark by this man and the remark was dropped. Once we had a clinical section -- a section that all physicians wanted for our own medical purposes. And again this prisoner brought me a corpse and again s... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,553,850 | 1,554,350 |
it happened, as I said yesterday, that was the Jew Kohn, the man, whose wife, and child, that I saved this man. These sick Jews were transferred elsewhere. QNow, who selected these six Jews for transfer, or were they just picked at random? ANot six, but sick. Mr. Prosecutor, the way these Jews were chosen I am sure tha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,554,300 | 1,554,800 |
connections he said that the commandant had approved it that seriously ill patients should have euthanasia applied to them. I never spoke to Dr. Hoven about this further because at that moment I saw the situation which would arise if I as the only surgeon in the camp should fall ill; and so it occurred to me from this ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,554,750 | 1,555,250 |
including the well-known Michelaine, who died after six weeks of such a work commando. In other works, it was not necessary to kill the prisoners. There were other ways of getting rid of them. The mortality at that time was enormous. We were just under five thousand fatalities a month. Nevertheless, we still heard occa... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,555,200 | 1,555,700 |
Q.When did you first become an inmate in any of the concentration camps? A.That was in the camp of Snoimo near Vienna. This is really the territory of Czechoslovakia that belonged in the Sudetenland. Q.When? A.In September, 1939. Q.How long did you stay there as an inmate? A.I stayed there for fourteen days. Q.Then wha... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,555,650 | 1,556,150 |
point in concentration camps. At that time the camps were transferred to labor camps. That expressed itself in a manner that the Gestapo merely captured the people as one catches a horse and transferred them into the camp. Q.And how many during the year 1943 do you think were there? A.Under Doctor Hoven I think there w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,556,100 | 1,556,600 |
that work physically had died. Q.What was the general physical condition of the prisoners you saw there during the years 1943 and 1944 and until your liberation in April 1945, as compared to the general physical condition of the prisoners whom you observed when you first came to Buchenwald? When the camps were changed ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,556,550 | 1,557,050 |
was happening there, they knew of nothing. If one looks at Pieck's painting one can only realize the extent of what the situation was. One can apply some measure if one considers the reaction of the German men and women when they looked at the camp. In January, February, March and April there were 5,000 people dead in ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,557,000 | 1,557,500 |
there, not taking into account the packages which may have come in to certain individuals from outside? I am speaking now merely of the official diet. A.The official ration up until 1943 was such that there were no real symptoms of hanger. There was no hunger then, there was no hanger diarrhea. There were no special sy... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,557,450 | 1,557,950 |
meat. In the evening we got a little marmalade, very small quantities of marma lade and once a week we received cheese. That was normal, there was some exceptions in the case of holidays when inmates received so-called pea soup and on the occasion of big holidays they received one piece of salami sausage. The inmates w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,557,900 | 1,558,400 |
was increased by wooden shoes. We could see there that people lost an enormous amount of weight, however, one could not see the first symptoms, namely, diarrhea. That only happened in the year 1944. Terrible housing conditions came about in addition to the difficulties of nourishment toward tho end of the winter of 194... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,558,350 | 1,558,850 |
statement to the effect that this latter facility about which you talked did not function well after a certain period in 1944, because it became clogged up with corpses that went into the crematorium. Was it ashes from the corpses A.Bones of corpses. Q.You mean after the bodies had been burned and the bone ash removed?... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,558,800 | 1,559,300 |
patient. He wrote down precisely what injections and what drugs that patient had received. Whether the diagnosis was put down as influenza or as accident was of no interest at all, but everything was done very meticulously, and the case history was written down very exactly. We certainly never had any evidence as to wh... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,559,250 | 1,559,750 |
of Weimar, and as far as I know he had no official mission any longer in the camp of Buchenwald. QLet us divide the period of your stay at Buchenwald into two periods, the period prior to the time that Dr.NO 1Hoven left there, and the period subsequent to the time that he left there, and I understand he left there appr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,559,700 | 1,560,200 |
prisoners. That happened mostly in the afternoons. Otherwise we knew of no other camp punishment nor did we see any. Q.Did you witness or know of any such occurrences at Buchenwald prior to September 1, 1943? A.Toward the end of 1943 or 1944 these beatings were a normal course of events, and I myself in the later so-ca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,560,150 | 1,560,650 |
at first were well fed. They were examined. Blood tests were made. Their blood pressure was taken. Everything was examined about them. It could be seen that the prisoners were walking around, and were playing games of one sort and another, and so on. Then I once saw how prisoners were then treated of typhus. One time D... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,560,600 | 1,561,100 |
generally known in the camp that in Block 46 experiments were being carried out on prisoners, and as I said yesterday I discussed that question about Block 46 only once with Dr. Hoven, and was told by him that in Block 46 Dr. Ding was doing some work for Dr. Mrugowsky. Q.Did you understand whether or not there was any ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,561,050 | 1,561,550 |
medicines we had in the camp; this was during the first half of 1942. Treatment was made with injections. We prepared everything for Dr. Hoven to give the injection. Even in this case Dr. Hoven held himself back, and what was there unpleasant to me I had to give the injections at first in his presence, and then later o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,561,500 | 1,562,000 |
there would be people in the illegal camp administration who did not have the upright, ethical aspect and concept of the situation that you had, and who would not hesitate to brand one of these prisoners as being indecent, let as say; and that one of these prisoners became in ill health, and was so classified by a memb... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,561,950 | 1,562,450 |
or inspections of the camps took place, very often visitors who were brought there by the Wehrmacht and were lead through the camp-and I must confess that many visitors did not see the camp in its worst aspects. They walked down the camp street at a time when the worst work commandos were outside the camp; and on the c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,562,400 | 1,562,900 |
member, to enter the camp without the permission of the camp commander, or to move around freely within the camp. In my experience which lasted six years, I think that is comparatively out of the question. BY THE PRESIDENT: Q.Witness, a good deal of reference has been made to Room 11. What was the physical nature of th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,562,850 | 1,563,350 |
in Warsaw as a delegate to a congress of freed prisoners also could not find any of these Polish stretcher bearers who had been used in Room 11. Q.What was the general reputation and report concerning this Room 11 before it was converted to a nurses' dining room? A.The reputation was of the worst. Q.Just what do you me... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,563,300 | 1,563,800 |
I believe he was the chief camp physician. Q.Who administered the lethal doses or whatever was given to cause deaths in Room 11? Were they administered by a physician? A.Let us assume that during this period - now, please remember this is an assumption ... Let us assume that Dr. Hoven did that. Now, who did away with t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,563,750 | 1,564,250 |
from the fact of this vaccine production except this one thing I mentioned. Q.If euthanasia, or any similar process was employed in Room 11, who would have selected the subjects for that euthanasia -- a physician or someone else? A.That I do not know, as I have already said. How were the persons chosen? Well, the, poli... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,564,200 | 1,564,700 |
in the years of 1942 or 1943 the amounts of food received were more or less adequate. However, in the years of 1944 and 1945, and even part of 1943, the amount of food received was completely inadequate. Q.I understood your testimony to that effect this' morning, doctor, but I did not remember that you estimated the ca... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,564,650 | 1,565,150 |
vitamins. This procedure was carried out by order of Dr. Hoven. Unfortunately we could not judge the effect because our entire diet lacked vitamins; but the physicians in the camp were satisfied that at least something was done and at least a little attention was given to the improvement of the food. Q.Do you know that... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,565,100 | 1,565,600 |
defendant Hoven were done for the benefit of all inmates? A.Yes, all inmates benefited by them. Q.Is it furthermore correct that every patient or that every inmate who registered or reported sick was admitted into the hospital? A.The admission into the hospital, and I am now speaking of Dr. Hoven's time, was carried ou... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,565,550 | 1,566,050 |
various details. They were taken from the hospital, and as I said before, the Jews who were to be transported away from the hospital were often hidden around some corner. Q.And this was done by the defendant Hoven? A.Well, you cannot imagine that the inmates could take such measures without the interference of Dr. Hove... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,566,000 | 1,566,500 |
because I knew the administration that he no longer had justification to that. I cannot imagine for it to be any other way. How can a nan who is imprisoned by the SS and is in prison exercise jurisdiction in the camp? QThen I am asking you is it correct that the defendant Hoven was an inmate of the Gestapo? AWell, I wi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,566,450 | 1,566,950 |
an affidavit which you made for the defendant Handloser, which is document HA 17, and exhibit Handloser No. 5, you stated the following: "Fundamentally and generally the medical service of the Waffen SS was not subordinate to the Chief of the Wehrmadht Medical Service There was only a limited supervision exercized by h... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,566,900 | 1,567,400 |
Krakow or Lemberg. I should like to clarify that in spite of the use of that Weigl vaccine in Block 46, this can not be explained by saying that there was a connection between Block 46 and the Institute at Krakow of the OKW, that there was any relationship as to the furnishing of the vaccine. I ask you to tell me wheth... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,567,350 | 1,567,850 |
manner that after Ding had received the order to carry out the experiments in Block 46 he approached the Central Medical Depot of the Waffen SS in order to get from there the Weigel vaccine which he needed for purposes of comparison. That I would assume because I know that there was always Weigel vaccine available, at ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,567,800 | 1,568,300 |
been an invention by Dr. Ding? AOn the basis of the document submitted by the prosecution and on the basis of the document submitted by the defense counsel, we know about the real course of this conference. There weren't any more participants there than in the documents that we have available here. The conclusion is th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,568,250 | 1,568,750 |
Wehrmacht Medical Service -- or in his capacity as the Army Medical Inspector, participating in this plan for the experiment in any way? ANo. Only two people were represented, both from the civilian sector. These were the administrative representatives for the Interior Reich Zone and representatives of the Germans who ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,568,700 | 1,569,200 |
explained by a forced certification carried out by Dr. Ding. In that connection my questions have to be a little broader than would perhaps be expedient in any other case. I shall need perhaps another quarter of an hour at the most to ask questions of this witness, Professor Mrugowsky. MR. HARDY:Your Honor, I submit th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,569,150 | 1,569,650 |
Institute, maintained a relatively close contact with Professor Gildemeister. It is quite possible that Gildemeister told him the contents of that conference. It is possible that Ding, however, mixed up the contents of what Gildemeister told him and came to a wrong entry. Q.Mr. President, in DocumentNO-1321, under Figu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,569,600 | 1,570,100 |
which you submitted, which is Document Mrugowsky 64, it is stated Professor Gildemeister maintains that 2700 portions of his vaccine had been used without any ill effects resulting. Professor Kuhne reported that in the months of October and November he used 3,000 portions of the vaccine of the Behring Works without any... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,570,050 | 1,570,550 |
were tested on a relatively small amount of persons, I think thirty or thirty-five people. No more could be derived from that letter. There can be no question of largescale experiments with that vaccine, because thirty persons cannot be considered a large-scale experiment. There was no question of any artificial infect... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,570,500 | 1,571,000 |
Himmler according to which the physicians active in concentration camps were obliged to keep a strict secrecy towards every third party, even including S. S. physicians who were not active in the concentration camps? AThat did not only refer to the physicians, but to every member of the staff of concentration camps. Th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,570,950 | 1,571,450 |
were here only concerned to find out whether these two institutes had anything to do with one another. That is to say, whether the Behring works at Lemberg had any official connection to the OKH institute at Lemberg. ANo.As far as I know, these were two separate institutions. QOn the basis of an entry in Ding's diary r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,571,400 | 1,571,900 |
I am asking you is whether there was a direct relationship of subordination Professor Brandt - Dr. Grawitz AI don't think such a clear relationship of subordination can be derived from these charts, but I should like to say in that connection that these charts were drawn up during tho later period of my preliminary int... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,571,850 | 1,572,350 |
- subordination in technical matters. Q.Doesn't this lack of material restrict to the essentially medical affairs? A.I don't know whether Prof. Brandt would have been justified in giving such directives to Grawitz directly. It was an indirect relationship which came as a result of this task he was given. Q.When it says... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,572,300 | 1,572,800 |
by now that I will no longer admit Prof. Rose into a concentration camp." I was never quite clear as to how he came to say that because every visitor to a concentration camp had to receive permission from a higher agency and not from Mr. Ding. Today, however, I think that his arm in this field was longer than I realize... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,572,750 | 1,573,250 |
pages in that letter. It was written in large letters. I received this letter through Grawitz. He made the remark that he received that letter from Himmler. Himmler wanted his attitude about it. He asked me to voice my opinion about the contents of that letter. Q.What did you do with that report, Professor? Q.What did ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,573,200 | 1,573,700 |
as meeting physician at the Race and Settlement Main Office. This is a completely different agency which even locally was separated from Grawitz's staff. Q.How far apart were these two offices from one another, approximately? A.I would say the classical situation there was very different, very hard to get from one poin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,573,650 | 1,574,150 |
of the infection until the symptoms, had to be established as exactly as possible. It was also mentioned here frequently that transports of inmates were carried out, then they were sent from one camp to another. Furthermore, it was pointed out that in the Eastern Ministry a number of Germans were sent into a typhus are... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,574,100 | 1,574,600 |
institute, which however I received from different people and this is one of the papers. My only participate was that I went through them and found out whether the paper was fit for publication. On that occasion an error was discovered. You read one paper where you mentioned Obersturmfuehrer Vetter which was then a str... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,574,550 | 1,575,050 |
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